Who knew that artificially creating narrow-bore antigen recognition (just the spike and only one variant spike at that, ma'am) would be less efficacious than natural immunity with its wide-bore antigen recognition? And who knew that pushing narrow-bore immunity during a pandemic would absolutely push variants to be created? Who knew that making a viral spike (and only the spike) in abundance inside cells would be a bad idea when they escaped into the blood system? Well, only most who studied viruses and the knowledgeable but silenced/canceled and the knowledgeable but purposefully silent. iResist.
"First, the researchers did not include a third comparison group - people who had natural immunity but didn’t receive vaccines. Doing so would have been an obvious step, and I’m not sure why they didn’t. Perhaps they couldn’t find enough people, as Qatar has very high vaccination rates."
or perhaps time honored tradition of never looking for things you don't want to find.
FLU shots interfere with natural immunity....Well Known for Decades .....NIH has studies.
No different with Covid Vaccine Shots...which are narrowly focused to just one protein (S1),
where as natural immunity tackles whole virus. The Healthiest Populations on Earth are the least vaccinated populations. Health is a function of good nutrition, good Sanitation, and good healthcare! I suspect the covid "vaccines" cause a lop-sided response to a single protein,confusing the immune system as a whole.
We are now beginning the epic experiment...on our kids. The little peanuts gazing out at us over their cloth masks. Gonna be interesting.
Here in OR, the leaders of the Oregon Health Authority must know--must--the statistics about children and Covid infections and mortality. The OHA's self-proclaimed "epidemiologist" (Dr. Dean Sidelinger) is, at best, a pediatrician with no background in the modeling or study of epidemics. But he can read, one presumes.
So, the question becomes: if these are facts, data, peer-reviewed, published for all to read...why is public policy and OHA's propaganda unresponsive? That question isn't being asked (except here and in other stacks); but one day it will...and, hopefully, under oath.
For a while, I followed a certain Reddit subreddit for COVID19 positive people. I did it just to see trends without them being falsified by authorities or antivaxxers.
I saw several posts from people who had Covid, then got vaccinated, then had Covid again.
There is a large body of evidence to say that mRNA shots generally alter or destroy innate immunity, and yuor post adds valuable insights to this body.
A doc that I follow out of OKC has been tracking his patients carefully. Of the 700 or so patients that he has had infected with Covid-19 over the last 18 months, 60% were unvaccinated, 40% vaccinated and of that 700, he has only seen 5 "reinfections" and all 5 were vaccinated following an infection. Hmmmmm?? Seems your conclusions above are correct.
Alex, thank you for providing this information. It is really helping with my sanity because my common senses were assaulted this morning from an a podcast posted on MedPageToday.
"Rick: Elizabeth, let's talk about vaccination versus getting an infection. Because I hear a lot of people say, "Well, I have had a COVID infection, therefore I don't need a vaccination." This is a report from MMWR, from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, where they collected data from 187 hospitals across nine states of people that were hospitalized with COVID-like symptoms, so upper respiratory tract symptoms, pneumonia, and shortness of breath. They went on to test them to see whether they were COVID-positive or not.
They were able to divide these individuals into people that had previously been COVID infected -- and therefore you think that they would be somewhat protected -- and those that have received vaccination with one of the mRNA vaccines. They went on to say how often do these individuals with COVID-like symptoms actually end up being COVID positive.
What they discovered was that unvaccinated individuals who had previously been infected and recovered from their coronavirus infection were five times more likely to get COVID as people who had received both shots of either the Pfizer or the Moderna vaccines.
Elizabeth: I think this makes some intuitive sense. I can certainly hypothesize on why we think this would be the case. That's because of the vaccines eliciting a multitude of antibodies, not just ones against a specific strain that someone might be infected with.
Rick: Not only that, Elizabeth, but a higher antibody titer as well, as it appears to be more-long lasting. The key to our listeners is although being previously infected does provide some protection, if you want to be maximally protected -- even if you've been infected previously -- is to receive the vaccine. Now, we usually recommend that you wait 90 days after you've been infected before you receive the full vaccine doses, but it appears to be more protective."
This is so aggravating and doctors are buying into this crap!
PS I am old and fat. I got COVID the first week of March 2020. By happenstance I had been supplementing D3 for years. My symptoms were relatively mild although that virus did try to go to my lungs. In retrospect I was zinc deficient. Had I not been, it would have a big nothing burger. My wife didn't even need to go to the doctor. We have been living our lives maskless in Florida and are not afraid that 21 months out, we may have lost our immunity. Believe me, I have been much sicker before.
One drawback to declaring a pandemic of an imaginary virus is that there's no specimen available from which to produce a real vaccine. There are plenty of advantages to declaring a pandemic of the same imaginary virus, though; the list of symptoms can be expanded to infinity, the fake test that must be used for an imaginary virus allows the promoters to declare whatever number of victims they like, any death can be attributed to the imaginary virus, etc.
The promoters of this fraud are able to present whatever nonsense they need to promote in order to keep the fraud going because they have the full cooperation of the news media and the compliant agencies and politicians. This will make them hard to defeat, but they will defeat themselves with their own stupidity and overreach.
They are almost there now, shooting themselves in their feet by releasing the most absurdly implausible statements imaginable. It's almost entertaining to watch if you can get over the horror of what they have been trying to do.
Any information regarding the vaccine and insulin would be appreciated. Have a colleague who is losing sight in his right eye and I am struggling with perhaps pointing out that getting the vaccine might have caused his problems. Wife is telling me to stay out of it but if all of us stay silent forever there will be no one left.
Alex - there was a great article this morning you might find interesting. Here’s the link. The US will never do this or at least not this administration as it would interfere with their NWO plans.
I’m curious if there have been any studies that compare the protection afforded by having had covid and then receiving the jabs versus receiving the jabs and then getting a breakthrough COVID infection. Does the jab preclude your body from producing as robust, broad, and balanced immunologic response?
I'm not sure, but it sounds like this has something to do with original antigenic sin? It gets too complicated for me to understand, but Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche has spoken of this problem at great length.
Who knew that artificially creating narrow-bore antigen recognition (just the spike and only one variant spike at that, ma'am) would be less efficacious than natural immunity with its wide-bore antigen recognition? And who knew that pushing narrow-bore immunity during a pandemic would absolutely push variants to be created? Who knew that making a viral spike (and only the spike) in abundance inside cells would be a bad idea when they escaped into the blood system? Well, only most who studied viruses and the knowledgeable but silenced/canceled and the knowledgeable but purposefully silent. iResist.
"First, the researchers did not include a third comparison group - people who had natural immunity but didn’t receive vaccines. Doing so would have been an obvious step, and I’m not sure why they didn’t. Perhaps they couldn’t find enough people, as Qatar has very high vaccination rates."
or perhaps time honored tradition of never looking for things you don't want to find.
FLU shots interfere with natural immunity....Well Known for Decades .....NIH has studies.
No different with Covid Vaccine Shots...which are narrowly focused to just one protein (S1),
where as natural immunity tackles whole virus. The Healthiest Populations on Earth are the least vaccinated populations. Health is a function of good nutrition, good Sanitation, and good healthcare! I suspect the covid "vaccines" cause a lop-sided response to a single protein,confusing the immune system as a whole.
We are now beginning the epic experiment...on our kids. The little peanuts gazing out at us over their cloth masks. Gonna be interesting.
Here in OR, the leaders of the Oregon Health Authority must know--must--the statistics about children and Covid infections and mortality. The OHA's self-proclaimed "epidemiologist" (Dr. Dean Sidelinger) is, at best, a pediatrician with no background in the modeling or study of epidemics. But he can read, one presumes.
So, the question becomes: if these are facts, data, peer-reviewed, published for all to read...why is public policy and OHA's propaganda unresponsive? That question isn't being asked (except here and in other stacks); but one day it will...and, hopefully, under oath.
Gonna be interesting.
For a while, I followed a certain Reddit subreddit for COVID19 positive people. I did it just to see trends without them being falsified by authorities or antivaxxers.
I saw several posts from people who had Covid, then got vaccinated, then had Covid again.
There is a large body of evidence to say that mRNA shots generally alter or destroy innate immunity, and yuor post adds valuable insights to this body.
Let's ask Big Bird.
A doc that I follow out of OKC has been tracking his patients carefully. Of the 700 or so patients that he has had infected with Covid-19 over the last 18 months, 60% were unvaccinated, 40% vaccinated and of that 700, he has only seen 5 "reinfections" and all 5 were vaccinated following an infection. Hmmmmm?? Seems your conclusions above are correct.
Alex, thank you for providing this information. It is really helping with my sanity because my common senses were assaulted this morning from an a podcast posted on MedPageToday.
https://www.medpagetoday.com/podcasts/healthwatch/95474 to wit:
"Rick: Elizabeth, let's talk about vaccination versus getting an infection. Because I hear a lot of people say, "Well, I have had a COVID infection, therefore I don't need a vaccination." This is a report from MMWR, from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, where they collected data from 187 hospitals across nine states of people that were hospitalized with COVID-like symptoms, so upper respiratory tract symptoms, pneumonia, and shortness of breath. They went on to test them to see whether they were COVID-positive or not.
They were able to divide these individuals into people that had previously been COVID infected -- and therefore you think that they would be somewhat protected -- and those that have received vaccination with one of the mRNA vaccines. They went on to say how often do these individuals with COVID-like symptoms actually end up being COVID positive.
What they discovered was that unvaccinated individuals who had previously been infected and recovered from their coronavirus infection were five times more likely to get COVID as people who had received both shots of either the Pfizer or the Moderna vaccines.
Elizabeth: I think this makes some intuitive sense. I can certainly hypothesize on why we think this would be the case. That's because of the vaccines eliciting a multitude of antibodies, not just ones against a specific strain that someone might be infected with.
Rick: Not only that, Elizabeth, but a higher antibody titer as well, as it appears to be more-long lasting. The key to our listeners is although being previously infected does provide some protection, if you want to be maximally protected -- even if you've been infected previously -- is to receive the vaccine. Now, we usually recommend that you wait 90 days after you've been infected before you receive the full vaccine doses, but it appears to be more protective."
This is so aggravating and doctors are buying into this crap!
PS I am old and fat. I got COVID the first week of March 2020. By happenstance I had been supplementing D3 for years. My symptoms were relatively mild although that virus did try to go to my lungs. In retrospect I was zinc deficient. Had I not been, it would have a big nothing burger. My wife didn't even need to go to the doctor. We have been living our lives maskless in Florida and are not afraid that 21 months out, we may have lost our immunity. Believe me, I have been much sicker before.
The institutions are so corrupt and decayed that everything they recommend is bad for you.
One drawback to declaring a pandemic of an imaginary virus is that there's no specimen available from which to produce a real vaccine. There are plenty of advantages to declaring a pandemic of the same imaginary virus, though; the list of symptoms can be expanded to infinity, the fake test that must be used for an imaginary virus allows the promoters to declare whatever number of victims they like, any death can be attributed to the imaginary virus, etc.
The promoters of this fraud are able to present whatever nonsense they need to promote in order to keep the fraud going because they have the full cooperation of the news media and the compliant agencies and politicians. This will make them hard to defeat, but they will defeat themselves with their own stupidity and overreach.
They are almost there now, shooting themselves in their feet by releasing the most absurdly implausible statements imaginable. It's almost entertaining to watch if you can get over the horror of what they have been trying to do.
Any information regarding the vaccine and insulin would be appreciated. Have a colleague who is losing sight in his right eye and I am struggling with perhaps pointing out that getting the vaccine might have caused his problems. Wife is telling me to stay out of it but if all of us stay silent forever there will be no one left.
Alex - there was a great article this morning you might find interesting. Here’s the link. The US will never do this or at least not this administration as it would interfere with their NWO plans.
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/when-will-cdc-correct-its-covid-death-counts-italy-just-did
Good read. Thanks Alex. COVID now seems to be ubiquitous. Over 80% of the deer in Iowa tested positive in a study sample:
https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2021/11/06/over-80-of-iowa-deer-sampled-in-study-found-to-have-covid-19/
Can someone forward this to Howard Stern. Apparently, he needs some education on experimental medicine injections.
I’m curious if there have been any studies that compare the protection afforded by having had covid and then receiving the jabs versus receiving the jabs and then getting a breakthrough COVID infection. Does the jab preclude your body from producing as robust, broad, and balanced immunologic response?
I'm not sure, but it sounds like this has something to do with original antigenic sin? It gets too complicated for me to understand, but Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche has spoken of this problem at great length.