Who knew that artificially creating narrow-bore antigen recognition (just the spike and only one variant spike at that, ma'am) would be less efficacious than natural immunity with its wide-bore antigen recognition? And who knew that pushing narrow-bore immunity during a pandemic would absolutely push variants to be created? Who knew that making a viral spike (and only the spike) in abundance inside cells would be a bad idea when they escaped into the blood system? Well, only most who studied viruses and the knowledgeable but silenced/canceled and the knowledgeable but purposefully silent. iResist.
Amazing to me just how so few KNOW what you say Scott about the narrow based spike protein recognition vs the far broader immunity gained by being infected and fully recovering. I can understand the average person in the non medical setting not being aware of this, but any basic immunology class presents this so anyone trained in the sciences should be fully aware. The hoodwinking of the American citizen, by not being fully transparent of such a nuance is scientific fraud.
Hi Scott. I see you have significant experience in computational bioinformatics. Do your colleagues think similarly to you?
I just can’t believe that so many people are buying what the cdc and fda and the pharmaceutical companies are selling. It is hard for me to believe that so many have not publicly questioned all of this.
I exited actually working 20 years ago. At that point academics were largely funded by NIH/NSF, heads-down in their research, living in a pre-9/11 and pre-Iraq NPR-world where "trust us we are from the government and here to help" still seemed OK (Vietnam not withstanding). They do have computing / stat backgrounds to make some really good, clear-headed conclusions. Whether they would have the data is one thing. Making a public statement is quite another. It is very hard to stand up and talk against your income stream. It is probably a good bet that few have read von Mises "Socialism: An Economic and Sociological Analysis" which was written in 1922 but could largely be speaking about today. Had they read it, they would not be surprised at the widespread extent of intended destruction coming at normal people from totalitarians and corporations. And so it goes.
They pay a heavy price if they question it. What is the old saying? "A man has a tough time believing something if his job depends on him not believing it"?
"First, the researchers did not include a third comparison group - people who had natural immunity but didn’t receive vaccines. Doing so would have been an obvious step, and I’m not sure why they didn’t. Perhaps they couldn’t find enough people, as Qatar has very high vaccination rates."
or perhaps time honored tradition of never looking for things you don't want to find.
Once it all collapses, I'm hoping investigators can look at all of these "oversights" to build a case for culpability. Just like how all of the late night ballot dumps are one-sided, all of the study flaws are all in favor of only one direction.
Well. I wonder if it also has to do with that study done in vitro you posted about. I found a YouTube explanation of the findings and it seems obvious to me that the vax is actually reducing natural immunity in people - maybe across the board - and that paper is likely the tip of the iceberg. Here’s the link. https://youtu.be/-SYL-iU0E9Q
FLU shots interfere with natural immunity....Well Known for Decades .....NIH has studies.
No different with Covid Vaccine Shots...which are narrowly focused to just one protein (S1),
where as natural immunity tackles whole virus. The Healthiest Populations on Earth are the least vaccinated populations. Health is a function of good nutrition, good Sanitation, and good healthcare! I suspect the covid "vaccines" cause a lop-sided response to a single protein,confusing the immune system as a whole.
We are now beginning the epic experiment...on our kids. The little peanuts gazing out at us over their cloth masks. Gonna be interesting.
Here in OR, the leaders of the Oregon Health Authority must know--must--the statistics about children and Covid infections and mortality. The OHA's self-proclaimed "epidemiologist" (Dr. Dean Sidelinger) is, at best, a pediatrician with no background in the modeling or study of epidemics. But he can read, one presumes.
So, the question becomes: if these are facts, data, peer-reviewed, published for all to read...why is public policy and OHA's propaganda unresponsive? That question isn't being asked (except here and in other stacks); but one day it will...and, hopefully, under oath.
With natural evolution I wonder if in say 1000 years peoples nostrils will have moved to behind the ears as natures way of trying to find air to breathe after having been told to mask for 1000 years :) Truly is a abusive in all seriousness just what masks are and will do more so in time IF parents do not wake up!
If even half of what Berenson, Cattiude, and Eugyppius say is true, then we are going to be harming kids, maybe for a very long time. For example: an mRNA vax MUST be administered into muscle, which is why you see shots given in shoulders. But kids' shoulders are very small, and some kids just don't have much muscle-mass. Did Pfizer advise shorter, smaller needles? We know that if the vax gets into the bloodstream, it will cause organs (especially the heart) to secrete the spike protein, which will be attacked.. Let's watch ER admissions for the very young in, say, two months' time.
For a while, I followed a certain Reddit subreddit for COVID19 positive people. I did it just to see trends without them being falsified by authorities or antivaxxers.
I saw several posts from people who had Covid, then got vaccinated, then had Covid again.
There is a large body of evidence to say that mRNA shots generally alter or destroy innate immunity, and yuor post adds valuable insights to this body.
My question has always been, will the vax add to my naturally attained immunity, or just replace it with something lesser? Hard to tell since there are so few studies. No one says, hey, let’s look at the recovereds’ antibody, B and T cell responses prior to vaxxing and then after and compare. It’s just anecdotal stories or a few studies on people getting reinfected. Very frustrating.
It's not a great paper though, and it has a very small cohort. It also seems like the timing of the sampling was not very uniform or really getting at the heart of the question. That said, the results are not promising.
A doc that I follow out of OKC has been tracking his patients carefully. Of the 700 or so patients that he has had infected with Covid-19 over the last 18 months, 60% were unvaccinated, 40% vaccinated and of that 700, he has only seen 5 "reinfections" and all 5 were vaccinated following an infection. Hmmmmm?? Seems your conclusions above are correct.
My hubs and I will be the experiment Both infected over a year ago now but he's vaxxed (reluctantly, would have lost his job) and I'm not. He sees infected people all the time (ENT doctor so he's up close and personal, never worn an N95) and so far, so good.
Same here, both had Virus last Dec, he got vaxxed (86 yrs old, heart and BP issues, 30 pds over weight) I have not been vaxxed. I had an antibody test in May and was positive I had another today, will get results in 3 days. Also going to get him an antibody test, his last vaccine was in March.
Alex, thank you for providing this information. It is really helping with my sanity because my common senses were assaulted this morning from an a podcast posted on MedPageToday.
"Rick: Elizabeth, let's talk about vaccination versus getting an infection. Because I hear a lot of people say, "Well, I have had a COVID infection, therefore I don't need a vaccination." This is a report from MMWR, from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, where they collected data from 187 hospitals across nine states of people that were hospitalized with COVID-like symptoms, so upper respiratory tract symptoms, pneumonia, and shortness of breath. They went on to test them to see whether they were COVID-positive or not.
They were able to divide these individuals into people that had previously been COVID infected -- and therefore you think that they would be somewhat protected -- and those that have received vaccination with one of the mRNA vaccines. They went on to say how often do these individuals with COVID-like symptoms actually end up being COVID positive.
What they discovered was that unvaccinated individuals who had previously been infected and recovered from their coronavirus infection were five times more likely to get COVID as people who had received both shots of either the Pfizer or the Moderna vaccines.
Elizabeth: I think this makes some intuitive sense. I can certainly hypothesize on why we think this would be the case. That's because of the vaccines eliciting a multitude of antibodies, not just ones against a specific strain that someone might be infected with.
Rick: Not only that, Elizabeth, but a higher antibody titer as well, as it appears to be more-long lasting. The key to our listeners is although being previously infected does provide some protection, if you want to be maximally protected -- even if you've been infected previously -- is to receive the vaccine. Now, we usually recommend that you wait 90 days after you've been infected before you receive the full vaccine doses, but it appears to be more protective."
This is so aggravating and doctors are buying into this crap!
PS I am old and fat. I got COVID the first week of March 2020. By happenstance I had been supplementing D3 for years. My symptoms were relatively mild although that virus did try to go to my lungs. In retrospect I was zinc deficient. Had I not been, it would have a big nothing burger. My wife didn't even need to go to the doctor. We have been living our lives maskless in Florida and are not afraid that 21 months out, we may have lost our immunity. Believe me, I have been much sicker before.
All that paper proves is that there were six time more people in the hospital with Covid-like symptoms who had been VAXXED than previously infected; but that one sixth smaller number was more likely to actually have Covid. My interpretation is that natural immunity protects from Covid PLUS Covid-like illness so only Covid itself "breaks through" natural immunity. 6X as many people in the hospital were VAXXED and 2-3 times as many with actual Covid were VAXXED.
That MedPage podcast really was sad. The data don't seem to confirm her statements which are based on those flawed CDC studies. We are far from certainty in making these assessments.
One drawback to declaring a pandemic of an imaginary virus is that there's no specimen available from which to produce a real vaccine. There are plenty of advantages to declaring a pandemic of the same imaginary virus, though; the list of symptoms can be expanded to infinity, the fake test that must be used for an imaginary virus allows the promoters to declare whatever number of victims they like, any death can be attributed to the imaginary virus, etc.
The promoters of this fraud are able to present whatever nonsense they need to promote in order to keep the fraud going because they have the full cooperation of the news media and the compliant agencies and politicians. This will make them hard to defeat, but they will defeat themselves with their own stupidity and overreach.
They are almost there now, shooting themselves in their feet by releasing the most absurdly implausible statements imaginable. It's almost entertaining to watch if you can get over the horror of what they have been trying to do.
Wait until the 5-11 year olds start suddenly DYING from the jabs and get serious adverse reactions. That’s when even CNN and MSDNC won’t be able to avoid the wailing cries of anguished parents and families.
Well man. Don't talk bullshit if a subject is too complex too you. The virus do fucking exist. It is just not as dangerous as the media paint it, and neither lockdowns or masks have any effect on a population prognostics face the virus.
There are plenty of innactivated-virus vaccines, they are just not available in the US or Europe.
For a long time the pharma industry had been working on developing a covid vaccine, and a long running problem was ADE. One would assume that the first thing these companies tried was inactivated and weakened covid viruses just like prior successful vaccines. Which means the countries that went the traditional route may be putting their populations at even greater risk than western pharma testing out their new tech.
No, the fact is that no specimen of the virus is available anywhere, and the virus has never been isolated. One would assume many things that turn out to be nonsensical if one never bothered to learn the facts.
If a year or so is a long time...well, maybe it is to fruit fly.
Debating whether the virus exists is a pied piper fed diversion tactic. It’s irrelevant information at best. Only thing that really matters on this board is the truth about the safety and efficacy of the shots.
A year or so? They’ve been attempting coronavirus vaccines for decades. The past two years are just the latest attempts, and once liability was waived, multiple pharma companies miraculously solved all the old challenges at the same time.
Any information regarding the vaccine and insulin would be appreciated. Have a colleague who is losing sight in his right eye and I am struggling with perhaps pointing out that getting the vaccine might have caused his problems. Wife is telling me to stay out of it but if all of us stay silent forever there will be no one left.
My girlfriend lost sight to one of her eyes post vaxx. Her ophthalmologist told her he is seeing hundreds of these cases and says it’s because of the vaccine. She was diagnosed with uveitis. They also found that she has the gene for Crohn’s Disease and think the Pfizer vaccine triggered this autoimmune response. It’s been 5 months and her eyesight is slowly improving.
Alex - there was a great article this morning you might find interesting. Here’s the link. The US will never do this or at least not this administration as it would interfere with their NWO plans.
Someone actually made this point in the States a year ago, maybe longer ago. When the CDC let it slip that just 6% of the death toll was people with NO comorbidities, that is, they died FROM the Chinese virus and ONLY from the Chinese virus, he/she ran the numbers at that 6% and of course the US death toll FROM the Chinese virus plummeted, just as did Italy's. The US death toll, recalculated at the time, was something like 12,500. Today it would be around 45,000.
Nice catch! Turns out the author of the piece himself did his own fact-checking and walked it all back:
"Stop Press 2: We trawled through the various websites of the Italian National Institute of Health (NIH) and National Institute of Statistics to try to corroborate this piece from an Italian newspaper, and it appears to be based on this report (in English) published on or before October 20th. The author of the piece is effectively stating his opinion that only those who died of Covid without comorbidities (2.9%) should be counted as a Covid death, and then extrapolates from there to suggest that the ‘real’ Covid death toll over the period in question was only 3,783. This is all contrary to the report itself and to the NIH’s detailed guidance (in Italian) on how to classify Covid deaths. It thus seems as though the article severely misrepresents the position of the NIH, but a lot seems to have been lost in translation and this is really just an opinion piece where the author is poking fun at the NIH while trying to make a point about the risks of Covid."
Nevertheless, our own CDC made an admission a year or so ago that roughly 6% of WuFlu deaths (at that time) had occurred in people with no comorbidities; thus, 94% of the death toll was of people with at least one (and likely more than one) comorbidity. The ol' "dying with" vs. "dying from" the Chinese virus.
A strong signal C-19 is endemic. Both the rapid mutations (unlike smallpox) and animal hosts means this virus is here to stay like the seasonal flu.
This was known last year but the authorities plowed ahead with the “miracle vax.” We should have been very skeptical about vax efficacy. Even Fauci repeatedly stated effective vaccines were far into the future (until he leaned to get on board the narrative).
See Julius Ruechel’s excellent post breaking it all down.
I’m curious if there have been any studies that compare the protection afforded by having had covid and then receiving the jabs versus receiving the jabs and then getting a breakthrough COVID infection. Does the jab preclude your body from producing as robust, broad, and balanced immunologic response?
I'm not sure, but it sounds like this has something to do with original antigenic sin? It gets too complicated for me to understand, but Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche has spoken of this problem at great length.
In what way is it a real thing? Antibodies are not immunity. It doesn't really mean anything if antibodies don't evolve as new variants are encountered. Francis's 60 year-old paper is just something vaccine researchers have latched onto to blame the natural immune system for not being as artificially "rewrite-able" as they want it to be.
Who knew that artificially creating narrow-bore antigen recognition (just the spike and only one variant spike at that, ma'am) would be less efficacious than natural immunity with its wide-bore antigen recognition? And who knew that pushing narrow-bore immunity during a pandemic would absolutely push variants to be created? Who knew that making a viral spike (and only the spike) in abundance inside cells would be a bad idea when they escaped into the blood system? Well, only most who studied viruses and the knowledgeable but silenced/canceled and the knowledgeable but purposefully silent. iResist.
Amazing to me just how so few KNOW what you say Scott about the narrow based spike protein recognition vs the far broader immunity gained by being infected and fully recovering. I can understand the average person in the non medical setting not being aware of this, but any basic immunology class presents this so anyone trained in the sciences should be fully aware. The hoodwinking of the American citizen, by not being fully transparent of such a nuance is scientific fraud.
Hi Scott. I see you have significant experience in computational bioinformatics. Do your colleagues think similarly to you?
I just can’t believe that so many people are buying what the cdc and fda and the pharmaceutical companies are selling. It is hard for me to believe that so many have not publicly questioned all of this.
I exited actually working 20 years ago. At that point academics were largely funded by NIH/NSF, heads-down in their research, living in a pre-9/11 and pre-Iraq NPR-world where "trust us we are from the government and here to help" still seemed OK (Vietnam not withstanding). They do have computing / stat backgrounds to make some really good, clear-headed conclusions. Whether they would have the data is one thing. Making a public statement is quite another. It is very hard to stand up and talk against your income stream. It is probably a good bet that few have read von Mises "Socialism: An Economic and Sociological Analysis" which was written in 1922 but could largely be speaking about today. Had they read it, they would not be surprised at the widespread extent of intended destruction coming at normal people from totalitarians and corporations. And so it goes.
Interesting. I sort of despair but I suspect we all are.
They pay a heavy price if they question it. What is the old saying? "A man has a tough time believing something if his job depends on him not believing it"?
They Knew! And they Silenced the rest !
Exactly...who knew!
"First, the researchers did not include a third comparison group - people who had natural immunity but didn’t receive vaccines. Doing so would have been an obvious step, and I’m not sure why they didn’t. Perhaps they couldn’t find enough people, as Qatar has very high vaccination rates."
or perhaps time honored tradition of never looking for things you don't want to find.
Once it all collapses, I'm hoping investigators can look at all of these "oversights" to build a case for culpability. Just like how all of the late night ballot dumps are one-sided, all of the study flaws are all in favor of only one direction.
They won’t you know. Because many of us see the globalists for who they are.
Well. I wonder if it also has to do with that study done in vitro you posted about. I found a YouTube explanation of the findings and it seems obvious to me that the vax is actually reducing natural immunity in people - maybe across the board - and that paper is likely the tip of the iceberg. Here’s the link. https://youtu.be/-SYL-iU0E9Q
FLU shots interfere with natural immunity....Well Known for Decades .....NIH has studies.
No different with Covid Vaccine Shots...which are narrowly focused to just one protein (S1),
where as natural immunity tackles whole virus. The Healthiest Populations on Earth are the least vaccinated populations. Health is a function of good nutrition, good Sanitation, and good healthcare! I suspect the covid "vaccines" cause a lop-sided response to a single protein,confusing the immune system as a whole.
“The Healthiest Populations on Earth are the least vaccinated populations”
YES, YES, YES!!!!!
Nature always trumps the ego of man...
One refined over millions of years and the other at warp speed. But they said they didn't cut any corners when it came to safety, so that's good.
Fauxci would disagree with that statement.
So would Bill Gates who wants "Germ Games" now...WTF?
Yup.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/05/090519172045.htm
Children Who Get Flu Vaccine Have Three Times Risk Of Hospitalization For Flu, Study Suggests
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/05/090519172045.htmReceiving influenza vaccination may increase the risk of other respiratory viruses, a phenomenon known as virus interference.{ } Vaccine derived virus interference was significantly associated with coronavirus
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22423139/ Increased risk of noninfluenza respiratory virus infections associated with receipt of inactivated influenza vaccine
We are now beginning the epic experiment...on our kids. The little peanuts gazing out at us over their cloth masks. Gonna be interesting.
Here in OR, the leaders of the Oregon Health Authority must know--must--the statistics about children and Covid infections and mortality. The OHA's self-proclaimed "epidemiologist" (Dr. Dean Sidelinger) is, at best, a pediatrician with no background in the modeling or study of epidemics. But he can read, one presumes.
So, the question becomes: if these are facts, data, peer-reviewed, published for all to read...why is public policy and OHA's propaganda unresponsive? That question isn't being asked (except here and in other stacks); but one day it will...and, hopefully, under oath.
Gonna be interesting.
With natural evolution I wonder if in say 1000 years peoples nostrils will have moved to behind the ears as natures way of trying to find air to breathe after having been told to mask for 1000 years :) Truly is a abusive in all seriousness just what masks are and will do more so in time IF parents do not wake up!
The vast majority of doctors are literally just following orders.
I am tempted to say that they are the equivalent of Big Pharma sales reps, although not nearly as cute.
Like Dr. Mengele.
Highly recommend watching Dr Ben Carson on Money Honey's show on Fox Business from the other day.
If even half of what Berenson, Cattiude, and Eugyppius say is true, then we are going to be harming kids, maybe for a very long time. For example: an mRNA vax MUST be administered into muscle, which is why you see shots given in shoulders. But kids' shoulders are very small, and some kids just don't have much muscle-mass. Did Pfizer advise shorter, smaller needles? We know that if the vax gets into the bloodstream, it will cause organs (especially the heart) to secrete the spike protein, which will be attacked.. Let's watch ER admissions for the very young in, say, two months' time.
I am terrified of what will happen to vaccinated children in 10, 20 years.
Ugh, good point.
For a while, I followed a certain Reddit subreddit for COVID19 positive people. I did it just to see trends without them being falsified by authorities or antivaxxers.
I saw several posts from people who had Covid, then got vaccinated, then had Covid again.
There is a large body of evidence to say that mRNA shots generally alter or destroy innate immunity, and yuor post adds valuable insights to this body.
My question has always been, will the vax add to my naturally attained immunity, or just replace it with something lesser? Hard to tell since there are so few studies. No one says, hey, let’s look at the recovereds’ antibody, B and T cell responses prior to vaxxing and then after and compare. It’s just anecdotal stories or a few studies on people getting reinfected. Very frustrating.
If we were doing real science, scientists would be conducting a broader range of studies. So disappointing.
This is the closest thing to what you are asking about, that I have seen:
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.12.21260227v2.full.pdf
It's not a great paper though, and it has a very small cohort. It also seems like the timing of the sampling was not very uniform or really getting at the heart of the question. That said, the results are not promising.
But nothing on nucleocapsid Ab's. Why?
Let's ask Big Bird.
Oscar The Grouch Refuses The Vaccine, Stocks Up On Ivermectin -The Babylon Bee.
I wonder if MSNBC "fact-checked" the Babylon Bee.
Most reliable source in this current comic climate. Parents who follow Big Bird’s advice have mental avian flu.
A doc that I follow out of OKC has been tracking his patients carefully. Of the 700 or so patients that he has had infected with Covid-19 over the last 18 months, 60% were unvaccinated, 40% vaccinated and of that 700, he has only seen 5 "reinfections" and all 5 were vaccinated following an infection. Hmmmmm?? Seems your conclusions above are correct.
My hubs and I will be the experiment Both infected over a year ago now but he's vaxxed (reluctantly, would have lost his job) and I'm not. He sees infected people all the time (ENT doctor so he's up close and personal, never worn an N95) and so far, so good.
Same here, both had Virus last Dec, he got vaxxed (86 yrs old, heart and BP issues, 30 pds over weight) I have not been vaxxed. I had an antibody test in May and was positive I had another today, will get results in 3 days. Also going to get him an antibody test, his last vaccine was in March.
I got an antibody test the beginning of October, was infected last November, still has them, reading of 528.
Alex, thank you for providing this information. It is really helping with my sanity because my common senses were assaulted this morning from an a podcast posted on MedPageToday.
https://www.medpagetoday.com/podcasts/healthwatch/95474 to wit:
"Rick: Elizabeth, let's talk about vaccination versus getting an infection. Because I hear a lot of people say, "Well, I have had a COVID infection, therefore I don't need a vaccination." This is a report from MMWR, from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, where they collected data from 187 hospitals across nine states of people that were hospitalized with COVID-like symptoms, so upper respiratory tract symptoms, pneumonia, and shortness of breath. They went on to test them to see whether they were COVID-positive or not.
They were able to divide these individuals into people that had previously been COVID infected -- and therefore you think that they would be somewhat protected -- and those that have received vaccination with one of the mRNA vaccines. They went on to say how often do these individuals with COVID-like symptoms actually end up being COVID positive.
What they discovered was that unvaccinated individuals who had previously been infected and recovered from their coronavirus infection were five times more likely to get COVID as people who had received both shots of either the Pfizer or the Moderna vaccines.
Elizabeth: I think this makes some intuitive sense. I can certainly hypothesize on why we think this would be the case. That's because of the vaccines eliciting a multitude of antibodies, not just ones against a specific strain that someone might be infected with.
Rick: Not only that, Elizabeth, but a higher antibody titer as well, as it appears to be more-long lasting. The key to our listeners is although being previously infected does provide some protection, if you want to be maximally protected -- even if you've been infected previously -- is to receive the vaccine. Now, we usually recommend that you wait 90 days after you've been infected before you receive the full vaccine doses, but it appears to be more protective."
This is so aggravating and doctors are buying into this crap!
PS I am old and fat. I got COVID the first week of March 2020. By happenstance I had been supplementing D3 for years. My symptoms were relatively mild although that virus did try to go to my lungs. In retrospect I was zinc deficient. Had I not been, it would have a big nothing burger. My wife didn't even need to go to the doctor. We have been living our lives maskless in Florida and are not afraid that 21 months out, we may have lost our immunity. Believe me, I have been much sicker before.
All that paper proves is that there were six time more people in the hospital with Covid-like symptoms who had been VAXXED than previously infected; but that one sixth smaller number was more likely to actually have Covid. My interpretation is that natural immunity protects from Covid PLUS Covid-like illness so only Covid itself "breaks through" natural immunity. 6X as many people in the hospital were VAXXED and 2-3 times as many with actual Covid were VAXXED.
That MedPage podcast really was sad. The data don't seem to confirm her statements which are based on those flawed CDC studies. We are far from certainty in making these assessments.
The institutions are so corrupt and decayed that everything they recommend is bad for you.
Even the clotshot incentive schemes - donuts, cheeseburgers, beers, and lotteries.
You will know them by their fruits.
CDC: Center for Deception and Control
FDA: Fringe Drug Association
Federal Drugmaker Assistance
One drawback to declaring a pandemic of an imaginary virus is that there's no specimen available from which to produce a real vaccine. There are plenty of advantages to declaring a pandemic of the same imaginary virus, though; the list of symptoms can be expanded to infinity, the fake test that must be used for an imaginary virus allows the promoters to declare whatever number of victims they like, any death can be attributed to the imaginary virus, etc.
The promoters of this fraud are able to present whatever nonsense they need to promote in order to keep the fraud going because they have the full cooperation of the news media and the compliant agencies and politicians. This will make them hard to defeat, but they will defeat themselves with their own stupidity and overreach.
They are almost there now, shooting themselves in their feet by releasing the most absurdly implausible statements imaginable. It's almost entertaining to watch if you can get over the horror of what they have been trying to do.
Wait until the 5-11 year olds start suddenly DYING from the jabs and get serious adverse reactions. That’s when even CNN and MSDNC won’t be able to avoid the wailing cries of anguished parents and families.
Sadly, it will only be a matter of time.
Well man. Don't talk bullshit if a subject is too complex too you. The virus do fucking exist. It is just not as dangerous as the media paint it, and neither lockdowns or masks have any effect on a population prognostics face the virus.
There are plenty of innactivated-virus vaccines, they are just not available in the US or Europe.
Just curious, who isolated this particular virus? Which country or scientists? I heard there is a reward out in GB for the isolation of it. Thanks
Moderna said they got their genome sequence from wuhan.
For a long time the pharma industry had been working on developing a covid vaccine, and a long running problem was ADE. One would assume that the first thing these companies tried was inactivated and weakened covid viruses just like prior successful vaccines. Which means the countries that went the traditional route may be putting their populations at even greater risk than western pharma testing out their new tech.
No, the fact is that no specimen of the virus is available anywhere, and the virus has never been isolated. One would assume many things that turn out to be nonsensical if one never bothered to learn the facts.
If a year or so is a long time...well, maybe it is to fruit fly.
Debating whether the virus exists is a pied piper fed diversion tactic. It’s irrelevant information at best. Only thing that really matters on this board is the truth about the safety and efficacy of the shots.
A year or so? They’ve been attempting coronavirus vaccines for decades. The past two years are just the latest attempts, and once liability was waived, multiple pharma companies miraculously solved all the old challenges at the same time.
What are the names of two of the attenuated virus vaccines? There are none, but you don't know that. Take your potty mouth and get lost.
Sinovac from China. Covivac from Russia.
Interesting coincidence the these two are the only ones that didn't develop mRNA vaccines...
I suspect they’re potentially more dangerous than the mRNA based on all the old attempts to make a covid vax.
Any information regarding the vaccine and insulin would be appreciated. Have a colleague who is losing sight in his right eye and I am struggling with perhaps pointing out that getting the vaccine might have caused his problems. Wife is telling me to stay out of it but if all of us stay silent forever there will be no one left.
My girlfriend lost sight to one of her eyes post vaxx. Her ophthalmologist told her he is seeing hundreds of these cases and says it’s because of the vaccine. She was diagnosed with uveitis. They also found that she has the gene for Crohn’s Disease and think the Pfizer vaccine triggered this autoimmune response. It’s been 5 months and her eyesight is slowly improving.
Not sure about the connection with insulin, but I saw an article recently about the large amount of vision issues that have been reported to VAERS.
Here’s an article on one person’s dealings with the vax and insulin dependent T2D: https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/my-insulin-requirements-skyrocketed?r=o7iqo&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&utm_source=
Alex - there was a great article this morning you might find interesting. Here’s the link. The US will never do this or at least not this administration as it would interfere with their NWO plans.
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/when-will-cdc-correct-its-covid-death-counts-italy-just-did
85% of the people who are counted as Covid deaths had FOUR OR MORE comorbidities. Four. Or more.
Exactly
Someone actually made this point in the States a year ago, maybe longer ago. When the CDC let it slip that just 6% of the death toll was people with NO comorbidities, that is, they died FROM the Chinese virus and ONLY from the Chinese virus, he/she ran the numbers at that 6% and of course the US death toll FROM the Chinese virus plummeted, just as did Italy's. The US death toll, recalculated at the time, was something like 12,500. Today it would be around 45,000.
I saw it somewhere too
I think the fact check said this was fake??
Nice catch! Turns out the author of the piece himself did his own fact-checking and walked it all back:
"Stop Press 2: We trawled through the various websites of the Italian National Institute of Health (NIH) and National Institute of Statistics to try to corroborate this piece from an Italian newspaper, and it appears to be based on this report (in English) published on or before October 20th. The author of the piece is effectively stating his opinion that only those who died of Covid without comorbidities (2.9%) should be counted as a Covid death, and then extrapolates from there to suggest that the ‘real’ Covid death toll over the period in question was only 3,783. This is all contrary to the report itself and to the NIH’s detailed guidance (in Italian) on how to classify Covid deaths. It thus seems as though the article severely misrepresents the position of the NIH, but a lot seems to have been lost in translation and this is really just an opinion piece where the author is poking fun at the NIH while trying to make a point about the risks of Covid."
(https://dailysceptic.org/2021/11/03/italian-higher-institute-of-health-adjusts-number-of-deaths-due-to-covid-alone-since-february-2020-downwards-from-over-130000-to-under-4000/)
Nevertheless, our own CDC made an admission a year or so ago that roughly 6% of WuFlu deaths (at that time) had occurred in people with no comorbidities; thus, 94% of the death toll was of people with at least one (and likely more than one) comorbidity. The ol' "dying with" vs. "dying from" the Chinese virus.
Good read. Thanks Alex. COVID now seems to be ubiquitous. Over 80% of the deer in Iowa tested positive in a study sample:
https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2021/11/06/over-80-of-iowa-deer-sampled-in-study-found-to-have-covid-19/
Oh deer! 😀
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What does this mean?
A strong signal C-19 is endemic. Both the rapid mutations (unlike smallpox) and animal hosts means this virus is here to stay like the seasonal flu.
This was known last year but the authorities plowed ahead with the “miracle vax.” We should have been very skeptical about vax efficacy. Even Fauci repeatedly stated effective vaccines were far into the future (until he leaned to get on board the narrative).
See Julius Ruechel’s excellent post breaking it all down.
Thanks for this very clear explanation. Will read recommended post.
Can someone forward this to Howard Stern. Apparently, he needs some education on experimental medicine injections.
He needs to retire, ie shut the F up!
I’m curious if there have been any studies that compare the protection afforded by having had covid and then receiving the jabs versus receiving the jabs and then getting a breakthrough COVID infection. Does the jab preclude your body from producing as robust, broad, and balanced immunologic response?
Seems like it might
https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/urgent-covid-vaccines-will-keep-you/comments
I'm not sure, but it sounds like this has something to do with original antigenic sin? It gets too complicated for me to understand, but Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche has spoken of this problem at great length.
Original antigenic sin in the reverse, I should say. See, too complicated for me.
It's not too complicated - instead, you just captured why the theory of OAS doesn't make sense.
Brian - you mean why OAS doesn't make sense to explain this particular result? Because the phenomenon in general is a real thing, after all.
In what way is it a real thing? Antibodies are not immunity. It doesn't really mean anything if antibodies don't evolve as new variants are encountered. Francis's 60 year-old paper is just something vaccine researchers have latched onto to blame the natural immune system for not being as artificially "rewrite-able" as they want it to be.