Good data showing why the mRNA shots may seem to work even if they don't
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Essentially, adults who get vaccinated tend to be more health-conscious and have better access to care in general.
Epidemiologists call this "healthy vaccine user bias,” and it is very visible in flu vaccine data. People who get flu jabs are less likely to die of pneumonia BEFORE and AFTER flu season as well as during it. The vaccine is a marker for health, not a driver of health.
Anyway, this Substack plots bivalent vaccine use by county against crucial measures of health and shows a similar bias for Covid vaccines.
This gap is probably also a key reason that red rural low-Covid vaccine counties have higher overall Covid death rates than blue high-vaccine counties. In general, rural areas are sicker than cities, and the gap has been worsening for decades, long before Covid or the mRNAs, as this Centers for Disease Control paper shows.
“In 1999, the age-adjusted death rate in rural areas was 7% higher than in urban areas; by 2019, the rate in rural areas was 20% higher than in urban areas.”
Just a reminder that the only truly bias-free data comes from large, properly run randomized clinical trials matching a control group and a treatment group. We had those for Covid, but the vaccine companies ruined them in early 2021 (with government approval). Now we have lots of questions - and death rates that remain far above normal.
More "health-conscious." Most of the people I know that took the vax are slobs and don't really care what they put in their body, but consider injecting experimental vaccines, "being healthy."
The people I know that didn't take it for the most part are more concerned with what goes in their body and question what the establishment considers "health."
Lots of data shows that the real correlation to health is very simply economic status/wealth. This would also explain why rural areas are "sicker": less economic means to seek treatment and fewer and lower quality health care services. If a 300 lb diabetic smoker gets vaccinated, it does not mean they are healthier than a 300 lb diabetic smoker who is unvaccinated. Vaccination is a correlate for obedience and conformity, not health.
Assume you have seen that the FAA quietly changed its long time standards for pilot EKGs, because pilots can no longer pass. I was an active pilot for decades. THIS IS HUGE.
Epidemiologists call this "healthy vaccine user bias,”
I'd argue there's an even higher tier: the "healthiest anti-vaccine user bias". Everyone I know who snubbed the jabs are very fit, very healthy, very much into regular exercise, healthy dietary habits, and supplement savvy. Not coincidentally they're also skeptical of big pharma and big medicine.
When my grandfather finally lost his years-long battle with cancer, he caught covid in the hospital. Because he was too sick to ever be jabbed, he was marked as an unvaxxed covid death.
Built-in to the data is the classification bias. German researchers teased it out. Calling Vpeople UVpeople for 14 days after a shot or booster misclassifies 31% of the people. Understand, this shifts to the other column so then a 62% net difference. And 65% of the SAEs happen within 72 hrs. All Data they use is unusable. A worldwide phenomenon as per the playbook.
Haaha. People prescribed basic antibiotics before and during pneumonia are less likely to die of pneumonia also. Flu vaccines are a scam just like these depopulation clot shots. Better off getting a saline shot like all the Davos attendees did.
One thing we have learned is that to be healthy is to question everything you put in your body. Your doctor's recommendations no longer carry the weight they once did.
I wrote here back when I was paying member in 2021 that Covid was being used, along with the treatments, to euthanize as many human beings as possible. This is evil folks, and for someone to speak out that not enough kids died to validate making people get shots, shows how morally bankrupt and outright sociopathic these leftist scum are.
Thanks for letting me comment, maybe you should be writing about this Mr. Berenson?…
Alex, my guess is that IF the rural area data was stratified by age groups, we'd find that the rural areas are going to average significantly older than the urban areas. That being said, my guess is that the older ages in the rural areas might be 'less healthy' than their counterparts in the urban areas because they've worked their asses off for years, but the younger ages would be the opposite of that because on average, they're working their asses off now and it's keeping them healthy. Partly because they have less access to fast food maybe?
By the way, can you get Tucker Carlson to let you have a debate on his show with the good Dr. Seigel? I'm tired of watching a very nice man continually act like there might possibly be some benefit in masking and literally (every now and again) acting like there might be some benefit to the jab. At this point, don't we know that jabbing and boosting will bring those with comorbidities greater risk of the damn Rona?
2020 made people lose their minds and be walking contradictions in so many ways.
Many of the people who were most pro-jab and hating on those who were not are the same individuals who buy organic and frequent farmers markets and Whole Foods. Same with Europeans. They restrict importation American food that is genetically manipulated and yet were very willing and compliant with the jab mandates.
I moved from a large city (Las Vegas)_to a small rural town in central Washington. I can tell you that the level of healthcare in general in a small rural community is as different as night and day. In a small rural community, scheduling tests takes months not weeks. Follow-up by health "professionals" is almost non-existent. You have to be your own healthcare advocate. You have to do a lot of research on your own to ensure you are asking the right questions. In most cases you are sent to the nearest big city (150-200 miles away for more serious procedures. Many people in small rural communities don't go to the doctor until the "feel" sick. They have lives to lead, and mouths to feed.
I live in a red rural area where many are not vaxxed. We found time to research & make an informed decision on whether to take an unknown injection (instead of gathering in gymnasiums & stadiums with thousands of others who followed like mice). We also had ivermectin…until our government took that away. The few in our area who died from covid died in the hospital, on remdesevir & vent. We aren’t the ones suddenly dropping dead…but the vaxxed in our area sadly can’t say the same.
Agree with Ryan totally. Unvaxed folk are more health conscious and concerned about bodily injections than the lemmings that do whatever the government tells them. Not sure you are on target with this Alex….
What part does the response time of emergency medical care play in the disparity between the rural and urban death rates? If I call 911 from my home in the suburbs, I may have EMS at my door in 5-10 minutes and be in an ER in another 10-15 minutes. If I call from a cottage in the state forest, it may take 20-30 minutes at least for EMS to arrive and start emergency care and then another 20 minutes or more to get me to an ER. The small rural hospitals do not have the level of emergency care that a larger urban hospital is capable of. I don't think people in rural areas are any sicker than urban areas. I think the disparity has more to do with their ability to access emergency medical care quickly.
Yes, some in the placebo arm were vaccinated, but the trials were orchestrated for the desired outcome from the very beginning. I mean, an adverse event up to two weeks after the second dose could kick you out of the trial and exclude you from the trial results.
I'm pretty good at math, not so much at chemistry. So I used my math skills to design a college chemistry experiment to get the desired outcome. It worked perfectly and I got an A. If I can figure that out at 18 years old, certainly Pfizer can design a trial for the desired outcome. Trial design manipulation is likely pervasive in all of pharma. There is too much money on the line not to influence the scales in one's favor.
Re Pfizer: I would like to see the raw data from the supposedly blind randomized clinical trials. I would like to see the data on the approximately twice as many vaccine-arm participants vs placebo-arm participants that were dropped from the trial results. I would like to know the PCR level used to test vaccine-arm vs placebo-arm participants in the PCR tests mailed in from clinical trial sites to be run at a the Pfizer home facility. So many questions, so little answers. Seems like snake oil to me.
"Just a reminder that the only truly bias-free data comes from large, properly run randomized clinical trials matching a control group and a treatment group" but ONLY if both groups had absolute FREE WILL to choose to be jabbed.
Which is now impossible to obtain with regard to the poison shots.
Look, anyone with a newsfeed can see the spike in healthy young people, including athletes, "mysteriously and suddenly" collapsing and even dropping dead from cardiac or circulatory events. This is a NEW phenomenon.
Why are top flight Athletes from all over the world dropping dead they have access to the best medical care in the world. This doesn't answer the question why was our Government leadership so eager to shut down the Places of worship!? Was this Part of the Anthony Fauci anti God Movement!? Why did Legacy media celebrated this action taken by our Sinister Leadership here in America!?
"Since May 31, 2020, the South experienced COVID-19 mortality 26% higher than the national rate, whereas the Northeast’s rate was 42% lower. "
Anyway, what did the Pfizer and Moderna randomized clinical trials show?
4 killed for every 3 saved, that is, 4 excess non-COVID deaths for every 3 less COVID deaths overall (compared to the placebo groups), even during the deadliest Alpha wave in winter 2020-2021. The separate Pfizer and Moderna trials both showed a 15-17% increase in non-COVID deaths, and specifically a 40-50% increase in cardiovascular-related deaths, with vaccine versus placebo. Importantly, these excess deaths with vaccination showed up ONLY by the 6-month follow-up. At the 1-month follow-up there were no excess deaths in either trial, clearly indicating delayed deaths.
i find this argument to be the same kind of generalizing nonsense that the guys on TWIV spout- that everyone who questioned the vaccine also voted for Trump, lives in a red state, shops at Walmart, drinks Mountain Dew, has a mouthful of missing teeth and takes millions from russian disinformation campaigns.
maybe some people who jumped to take the vaccine don't take responsibility for their health and want the nanny state to make everything ok.
i was shocked that some people who eat organic and stay clear of GMOs, etc were first in line. how do they rationalize that?
i imagine that vaccine believers run the same gamut as vaccine skeptics. i saw what happened to my cousin's wife in 1976. she took that swine flu vaccine and spent a year in a wheelchair with GBS. no amount of data can make me unsee that. so my skepticism comes not from Joe Rogan or Bret Weinstein or JFK jr or from Alex Berenson but from my own observations of someone i know.
it also didn't help that the covid "rules" were nonsensical.
By the way, I doubt it will be addressed here at this thread but, do you know for certain that Damar Hamlin has not been diagnosed with any fall out from the alleged December 26 booster shot he got?
Hopefully Mr. Berenson will address this down the road, I guess, still too fresh to make comments of certainty at this point?…
I've always thought this 2005 work was so explanatory, and I'm sorry it didn't catch on as the interpretive lens for this topic (though I'm not a fan of their 'polypill' approach):
"The Eight Americas Study divides the U.S. population into eight distinct groups with different epidemiologic patterns and mortality experience. The Eight Americas are Asians (America 1), below-median-income whites living in the Northland (America 2), middle America (America 3), poor whites living in Appalachia and the Mississippi Valley (America 4), Native Americans living on reservations in the West (America 5), black middle-America (America 6), poor blacks living in the rural South (America 7), and blacks living in high-risk urban environments (America 8). Life expectancy for males in America 8 is 21 years lower than life expectancy for females in America 1. For males, the gap between America 1 and America 8, 16.1 years, is as large as the gap between Iceland with the highest male life expectancy in the world and Bangladesh. Even in Americas 5, 6, 7, and 8, U.S. child mortality is in the middle of the range defined by the Organization of Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) countries. For young and middle-aged males and females, however, mortality experience in the disadvantaged Americas is up to two times worse than the worst OECD country. The enormous excess of young and middle-aged mortality is largely due to chronic disease death. Based on the World Health Organization Comparative Risk Assessment project, we expect the major risks in the United States to be tobacco, alcohol, obesity, blood pressure, and cholesterol. Risk factor analysis using Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System data for the Eight Americas suggests that the pattern for tobacco, alcohol, and obesity is distinct for each America. Currently available data in the public domain do not provide an adequate basis to assess levels of blood pressure and cholesterol in the Eight Americas. To tackle disparities in the United States, public health will need to increase its focus on chronic diseases in young and middle-aged Americans. In particular, if blood pressure and cholesterol are confirmed as major contributors to current mortality patterns, innovative strategies such as the Polypill™ and unique individual and population approaches need to be explored."
I just read an article from an MSN reporter and admitted product pusher about how the vaccines absolutely cause no stroke risk( and go get your vaccines). It is just beyond irresponsible when you just don't have the data to know for sure that they don't. But his article was certain....talk about misinformation.
Just to annoy myself, today I did a little oppo-research; listened to an episode of noted Covidian Dr David Osterholm’s podcast, The Osterholm Update. I chose this one because it is titled “Shutting Down Misinformation”. What kind of mis-info, you ask? Well, for starts, the wrong story about the American soccer journalist who dropped dead in Qatar. He didn’t die from the vaccine! It was an aortic aneurysm. Nothing to do with the shots! The second bit was about Damar Hamlin. “Absolutely no evidence it was caused by a shot”. And he mumbled something about CC possibly causing the episode “although rare”.
Nothing to see here, folks. Take the vaccine again and again. Oh,and don’t forget your well fitting N95 mask! If not for the remarks about the two above fairly current events, I would have thought this episode was from March or April 2020. What a total tool this man is.
For some reason, I am always surprised when I come upon stupidity this profound.
Now, to scrub my brain of the memory of this podcast.
I’m not sure I agree with this statement. I for one have never had a flu jab and have had flu once in my life (56). I am a smoker and I drink, not too heavily but given the stress of life and knowing how evil those that rule us our I have sought some solace in these comforts. I have always thought the flu jab useless as it’s dealing with the years before flu and really the study on vaxxed vs unvaxxed has never been done purely because anyone who is unvaxxed is without question healthier. There is nothing that would make me take any of these shots. I haven’t had anything since I was a child and won’t and won’t let my kids. I’m really not sure where you are going with this piece and to say I’m disappointed is putting it mildly? What’s happened to you? Sold your soul?
I’m waiting to hear about Gov. Newsom getting the bivalent. Can’t find a single news story on it. Just because he got Covid ten days after Booster 2 shouldn’t make any difference. If those who mandate the shots and want to be the Democratic President won’t stay up to date on their boosters, then who will?
By the "mainstream" medical/science community not acknowledging the health problems that the spike protein causes in people in both the vaccines and the actual virus delays attempts to find real solutions in addressing the spike protein. Yes, unfortunately the doctors that were trying were dismissed as whackadoodles. But what about now? It's 2023!!! It's clear, this spike protein needs to be dealt with, whether it's in you via the virus, or the vaccine! Tired of this BS, if modern science is so fantastic, come up with a plan! You dumb-wits created this shit show, now clean it up!
Wow, this is a good piece that teases out bias! My two cents...Urban areas are rich in medical types. In rural areas, not so much. Combine that with a very slim economic margin (farmers and ranchers) and many don't get medical attention. Sadly, many rural care centers are disappearing because of economic reasons and medical personnel shortages. The only answer our government can come up with is importation of foreign medical personnel. Hows that going? Good question...
Even RCTs don’t offer good data because of their expense and the resulting sponsor induced bias. As one sage once told me, “The first question to ask the sponsor is, ‘what result do you want?’. Then design the study to deliver that result. That way you get repeat business.”
"Healthy vaccine user bias" REQUIRES vaccine users to CHOOSE to be vaxxed. It requires the user to have the free will, absolute free will, to choose the vaxx or to not choose the vaxx.
Only then do you have a population from which you can derive said bias.
That is of course NOT what has happened and continues to happen with the Chinese virus jabs, precisely because so many millions of "vaccine users" were compelled or coerced or deceived into being jabbed.
You simply cannot discern any healthy vaccine user bias from the current population of those jabbed with the clot shots because that population has been tainted beyond hope, period.
Plus one cannot discount the skewing of results by outright fraud. Look at how the pro-"global warming" disciples "adjust" the data to make it look like temperatures are rising when in fact they are flat (in addition to placing weather stations and thermometers in artificially hot locations such as near streets or airport runways or on concrete buildings). There are many ways to tweak data to get the desired results!
Alex --someone has hijacked your name. My email inbox has about a dozen comments made to other people on Jeff Childers’ “stack” using your name but opening as another name.
Not to disagree with the group of folks here who claim that a "health conscious crowd" bias may be skewing the C19 mRNA payload efficaciousness "upward".....but what I did notice was that none of the opining and backed up posits supporting this "health conscious crowd" notion mentioned a single thing that rhymed with 'bang for your buck".... Pfizer & Moderna et.al......have managed to SNAG perhaps upwards of ONE HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS IN SALES OVER THE PAST 30 MONTHS.....and WHATEVER impact the "health conscious crowd" might have or MIGHT have had on justifying the expenditure of a HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS......well I'm going out on a risky but safe enough health conscious limb and saying: "This was a horrific and absolutely incomprehensible waste of money"
We've spent 2 full years now literally arguing over how well a substance works at preventing serious illness or death.....from a pathogen propped up as deadly by using perhaps the most willfully dishonest case cataloguing and genuine impact compilation methodology EVER put in motion.....and there's a handful of Pharma interests out there who've amassed a fortune most any nation on earth might covet.
> Just a reminder that the only truly bias-free data comes from large, properly run randomized clinical trials matching a control group and a treatment group. We had those for Covid, but the vaccine companies ruined them in early 2021 (with government approval).
I'm unconvinced there. They weren't large enough, given the extremely low incidence of negative outcomes with COVID as it is. They weren't properly-run in many ways, including the gaming of the endpoint. But they were better than nothing, and by sabotaging the trials we got nothing.
"Just a reminder that the only truly bias-free data comes from large, properly run randomized clinical trials matching a control group and a treatment group."
We do have and can use large scale (unintentional) empirical data such as the Israel/Palestine data, where the (low vaccinated) Palestinians have no more Covid deaths, whereas the (high vaccinated) Israelis continue to show ongoing Covid deaths. This also despite Omicron being the dominant strain, with much lower pathogenicity than earlier strains. Healthy User bias would suggest that the opposite should be the case?
It's important to note also that a lot of good quality data (age stratified by vaccination status) is available but being withheld by Governenments. And conversely, some data which appears to be good quality uses unreliable definition of "Cases" and "Unvaccinated" to screw results.
Yeah, not sure I buy that entirely. Everyone I know that DIDN'T take the vax (me included) are fit and work out regularly. However, the evidence DOES support those that that received the vax have an abnormally low cranial capacity and an inability to assess numerical data.
Note here, in typical Berenson fashion, he ignores the obvious. We need RCTs for the best data, but the "vaccine" companies ruined them in early 2021. FFS
So we trust that big pharma didn't tamper with trials in the past, in spite of billions in fines, and otherwise nobody is tampering with RCTs in order to achieve a desired outcome. This is again nonsensical, just like Berenson trusting that the same people lying to everyone about all things Corona are for some reason not lying on multiple other topics, like democrat election fraud.
FYI, the C in RCT is most commonly used for the word "controlled", and not for "clinical". And controlled makes far more sense.
Education, I asked an extended family member, how did He know his view was correct? I didn't think it was an unfair question. With an incredulous look He turned to Me and pointed at his 50in TV. After 2020, I fear We might have a long road ahead of us.
More "health-conscious." Most of the people I know that took the vax are slobs and don't really care what they put in their body, but consider injecting experimental vaccines, "being healthy."
The people I know that didn't take it for the most part are more concerned with what goes in their body and question what the establishment considers "health."
Lots of data shows that the real correlation to health is very simply economic status/wealth. This would also explain why rural areas are "sicker": less economic means to seek treatment and fewer and lower quality health care services. If a 300 lb diabetic smoker gets vaccinated, it does not mean they are healthier than a 300 lb diabetic smoker who is unvaccinated. Vaccination is a correlate for obedience and conformity, not health.
Assume you have seen that the FAA quietly changed its long time standards for pilot EKGs, because pilots can no longer pass. I was an active pilot for decades. THIS IS HUGE.
Epidemiologists call this "healthy vaccine user bias,”
I'd argue there's an even higher tier: the "healthiest anti-vaccine user bias". Everyone I know who snubbed the jabs are very fit, very healthy, very much into regular exercise, healthy dietary habits, and supplement savvy. Not coincidentally they're also skeptical of big pharma and big medicine.
When my grandfather finally lost his years-long battle with cancer, he caught covid in the hospital. Because he was too sick to ever be jabbed, he was marked as an unvaxxed covid death.
Built-in to the data is the classification bias. German researchers teased it out. Calling Vpeople UVpeople for 14 days after a shot or booster misclassifies 31% of the people. Understand, this shifts to the other column so then a 62% net difference. And 65% of the SAEs happen within 72 hrs. All Data they use is unusable. A worldwide phenomenon as per the playbook.
Haaha. People prescribed basic antibiotics before and during pneumonia are less likely to die of pneumonia also. Flu vaccines are a scam just like these depopulation clot shots. Better off getting a saline shot like all the Davos attendees did.
One thing we have learned is that to be healthy is to question everything you put in your body. Your doctor's recommendations no longer carry the weight they once did.
https://www.theblaze.com/news/sam-harris-says-we-got-unlucky-covid-was-benign-far-more-dead-kids-would-have-prevented-vaccine-skepticism
I wrote here back when I was paying member in 2021 that Covid was being used, along with the treatments, to euthanize as many human beings as possible. This is evil folks, and for someone to speak out that not enough kids died to validate making people get shots, shows how morally bankrupt and outright sociopathic these leftist scum are.
Thanks for letting me comment, maybe you should be writing about this Mr. Berenson?…
A vaccine addict is still a drug addict. Sugar coat it all you want. Doing drugs is unhealthy anyway you slice it.
Alex, my guess is that IF the rural area data was stratified by age groups, we'd find that the rural areas are going to average significantly older than the urban areas. That being said, my guess is that the older ages in the rural areas might be 'less healthy' than their counterparts in the urban areas because they've worked their asses off for years, but the younger ages would be the opposite of that because on average, they're working their asses off now and it's keeping them healthy. Partly because they have less access to fast food maybe?
By the way, can you get Tucker Carlson to let you have a debate on his show with the good Dr. Seigel? I'm tired of watching a very nice man continually act like there might possibly be some benefit in masking and literally (every now and again) acting like there might be some benefit to the jab. At this point, don't we know that jabbing and boosting will bring those with comorbidities greater risk of the damn Rona?
2020 made people lose their minds and be walking contradictions in so many ways.
Many of the people who were most pro-jab and hating on those who were not are the same individuals who buy organic and frequent farmers markets and Whole Foods. Same with Europeans. They restrict importation American food that is genetically manipulated and yet were very willing and compliant with the jab mandates.
It's the same for me. All the non-injected people I know are people who take great care of their diet and everything else.
In my company I am the only non-mRNA injected and the only one who since I had covid a year ago does not have covid every three months.
I moved from a large city (Las Vegas)_to a small rural town in central Washington. I can tell you that the level of healthcare in general in a small rural community is as different as night and day. In a small rural community, scheduling tests takes months not weeks. Follow-up by health "professionals" is almost non-existent. You have to be your own healthcare advocate. You have to do a lot of research on your own to ensure you are asking the right questions. In most cases you are sent to the nearest big city (150-200 miles away for more serious procedures. Many people in small rural communities don't go to the doctor until the "feel" sick. They have lives to lead, and mouths to feed.
I live in a red rural area where many are not vaxxed. We found time to research & make an informed decision on whether to take an unknown injection (instead of gathering in gymnasiums & stadiums with thousands of others who followed like mice). We also had ivermectin…until our government took that away. The few in our area who died from covid died in the hospital, on remdesevir & vent. We aren’t the ones suddenly dropping dead…but the vaxxed in our area sadly can’t say the same.
Agree with Ryan totally. Unvaxed folk are more health conscious and concerned about bodily injections than the lemmings that do whatever the government tells them. Not sure you are on target with this Alex….
What part does the response time of emergency medical care play in the disparity between the rural and urban death rates? If I call 911 from my home in the suburbs, I may have EMS at my door in 5-10 minutes and be in an ER in another 10-15 minutes. If I call from a cottage in the state forest, it may take 20-30 minutes at least for EMS to arrive and start emergency care and then another 20 minutes or more to get me to an ER. The small rural hospitals do not have the level of emergency care that a larger urban hospital is capable of. I don't think people in rural areas are any sicker than urban areas. I think the disparity has more to do with their ability to access emergency medical care quickly.
Really? Does the data show it’s the “health conscious” getting jabbed? Or those adhering to the lethal health system?
Yes, some in the placebo arm were vaccinated, but the trials were orchestrated for the desired outcome from the very beginning. I mean, an adverse event up to two weeks after the second dose could kick you out of the trial and exclude you from the trial results.
I'm pretty good at math, not so much at chemistry. So I used my math skills to design a college chemistry experiment to get the desired outcome. It worked perfectly and I got an A. If I can figure that out at 18 years old, certainly Pfizer can design a trial for the desired outcome. Trial design manipulation is likely pervasive in all of pharma. There is too much money on the line not to influence the scales in one's favor.
Re Pfizer: I would like to see the raw data from the supposedly blind randomized clinical trials. I would like to see the data on the approximately twice as many vaccine-arm participants vs placebo-arm participants that were dropped from the trial results. I would like to know the PCR level used to test vaccine-arm vs placebo-arm participants in the PCR tests mailed in from clinical trial sites to be run at a the Pfizer home facility. So many questions, so little answers. Seems like snake oil to me.
Kinda weird that everyone wants to "move to the country" so they can die 20% earlier....🤔
"Just a reminder that the only truly bias-free data comes from large, properly run randomized clinical trials matching a control group and a treatment group" but ONLY if both groups had absolute FREE WILL to choose to be jabbed.
Which is now impossible to obtain with regard to the poison shots.
So, at what point does harm from mRNA overuse counterweigh the inherent health advantages that the users had going in?
Betting window is open...
Look, anyone with a newsfeed can see the spike in healthy young people, including athletes, "mysteriously and suddenly" collapsing and even dropping dead from cardiac or circulatory events. This is a NEW phenomenon.
Why are top flight Athletes from all over the world dropping dead they have access to the best medical care in the world. This doesn't answer the question why was our Government leadership so eager to shut down the Places of worship!? Was this Part of the Anthony Fauci anti God Movement!? Why did Legacy media celebrated this action taken by our Sinister Leadership here in America!?
This paper on national COVID deaths demonstrates it EXTREMELY well (read between the lines): https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0265053
"Since May 31, 2020, the South experienced COVID-19 mortality 26% higher than the national rate, whereas the Northeast’s rate was 42% lower. "
Anyway, what did the Pfizer and Moderna randomized clinical trials show?
4 killed for every 3 saved, that is, 4 excess non-COVID deaths for every 3 less COVID deaths overall (compared to the placebo groups), even during the deadliest Alpha wave in winter 2020-2021. The separate Pfizer and Moderna trials both showed a 15-17% increase in non-COVID deaths, and specifically a 40-50% increase in cardiovascular-related deaths, with vaccine versus placebo. Importantly, these excess deaths with vaccination showed up ONLY by the 6-month follow-up. At the 1-month follow-up there were no excess deaths in either trial, clearly indicating delayed deaths.
Pfizer: https://www.nejm.org/doi/suppl/10.1056/NEJMoa2110345/suppl_file/nejmoa2110345_appendix.pdf – Table S4
Moderna: https://www.nejm.org/doi/suppl/10.1056/NEJMoa2113017/suppl_file/nejmoa2113017_appendix.pdf – Table S26
i find this argument to be the same kind of generalizing nonsense that the guys on TWIV spout- that everyone who questioned the vaccine also voted for Trump, lives in a red state, shops at Walmart, drinks Mountain Dew, has a mouthful of missing teeth and takes millions from russian disinformation campaigns.
maybe some people who jumped to take the vaccine don't take responsibility for their health and want the nanny state to make everything ok.
i was shocked that some people who eat organic and stay clear of GMOs, etc were first in line. how do they rationalize that?
i imagine that vaccine believers run the same gamut as vaccine skeptics. i saw what happened to my cousin's wife in 1976. she took that swine flu vaccine and spent a year in a wheelchair with GBS. no amount of data can make me unsee that. so my skepticism comes not from Joe Rogan or Bret Weinstein or JFK jr or from Alex Berenson but from my own observations of someone i know.
it also didn't help that the covid "rules" were nonsensical.
This is very strange as many of the vax refusers I know are health nuts.
By the way, I doubt it will be addressed here at this thread but, do you know for certain that Damar Hamlin has not been diagnosed with any fall out from the alleged December 26 booster shot he got?
Hopefully Mr. Berenson will address this down the road, I guess, still too fresh to make comments of certainty at this point?…
I've always thought this 2005 work was so explanatory, and I'm sorry it didn't catch on as the interpretive lens for this topic (though I'm not a fan of their 'polypill' approach):
"The Eight Americas Study divides the U.S. population into eight distinct groups with different epidemiologic patterns and mortality experience. The Eight Americas are Asians (America 1), below-median-income whites living in the Northland (America 2), middle America (America 3), poor whites living in Appalachia and the Mississippi Valley (America 4), Native Americans living on reservations in the West (America 5), black middle-America (America 6), poor blacks living in the rural South (America 7), and blacks living in high-risk urban environments (America 8). Life expectancy for males in America 8 is 21 years lower than life expectancy for females in America 1. For males, the gap between America 1 and America 8, 16.1 years, is as large as the gap between Iceland with the highest male life expectancy in the world and Bangladesh. Even in Americas 5, 6, 7, and 8, U.S. child mortality is in the middle of the range defined by the Organization of Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) countries. For young and middle-aged males and females, however, mortality experience in the disadvantaged Americas is up to two times worse than the worst OECD country. The enormous excess of young and middle-aged mortality is largely due to chronic disease death. Based on the World Health Organization Comparative Risk Assessment project, we expect the major risks in the United States to be tobacco, alcohol, obesity, blood pressure, and cholesterol. Risk factor analysis using Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System data for the Eight Americas suggests that the pattern for tobacco, alcohol, and obesity is distinct for each America. Currently available data in the public domain do not provide an adequate basis to assess levels of blood pressure and cholesterol in the Eight Americas. To tackle disparities in the United States, public health will need to increase its focus on chronic diseases in young and middle-aged Americans. In particular, if blood pressure and cholesterol are confirmed as major contributors to current mortality patterns, innovative strategies such as the Polypill™ and unique individual and population approaches need to be explored."
https://www.ajpmonline.org/article/S0749-3797(05)00289-8/fulltext
I just read an article from an MSN reporter and admitted product pusher about how the vaccines absolutely cause no stroke risk( and go get your vaccines). It is just beyond irresponsible when you just don't have the data to know for sure that they don't. But his article was certain....talk about misinformation.
Just to annoy myself, today I did a little oppo-research; listened to an episode of noted Covidian Dr David Osterholm’s podcast, The Osterholm Update. I chose this one because it is titled “Shutting Down Misinformation”. What kind of mis-info, you ask? Well, for starts, the wrong story about the American soccer journalist who dropped dead in Qatar. He didn’t die from the vaccine! It was an aortic aneurysm. Nothing to do with the shots! The second bit was about Damar Hamlin. “Absolutely no evidence it was caused by a shot”. And he mumbled something about CC possibly causing the episode “although rare”.
Nothing to see here, folks. Take the vaccine again and again. Oh,and don’t forget your well fitting N95 mask! If not for the remarks about the two above fairly current events, I would have thought this episode was from March or April 2020. What a total tool this man is.
For some reason, I am always surprised when I come upon stupidity this profound.
Now, to scrub my brain of the memory of this podcast.
I’m not sure I agree with this statement. I for one have never had a flu jab and have had flu once in my life (56). I am a smoker and I drink, not too heavily but given the stress of life and knowing how evil those that rule us our I have sought some solace in these comforts. I have always thought the flu jab useless as it’s dealing with the years before flu and really the study on vaxxed vs unvaxxed has never been done purely because anyone who is unvaxxed is without question healthier. There is nothing that would make me take any of these shots. I haven’t had anything since I was a child and won’t and won’t let my kids. I’m really not sure where you are going with this piece and to say I’m disappointed is putting it mildly? What’s happened to you? Sold your soul?
I’m waiting to hear about Gov. Newsom getting the bivalent. Can’t find a single news story on it. Just because he got Covid ten days after Booster 2 shouldn’t make any difference. If those who mandate the shots and want to be the Democratic President won’t stay up to date on their boosters, then who will?
By the "mainstream" medical/science community not acknowledging the health problems that the spike protein causes in people in both the vaccines and the actual virus delays attempts to find real solutions in addressing the spike protein. Yes, unfortunately the doctors that were trying were dismissed as whackadoodles. But what about now? It's 2023!!! It's clear, this spike protein needs to be dealt with, whether it's in you via the virus, or the vaccine! Tired of this BS, if modern science is so fantastic, come up with a plan! You dumb-wits created this shit show, now clean it up!
I'll volunteer to be in the placebo group.
Wow, this is a good piece that teases out bias! My two cents...Urban areas are rich in medical types. In rural areas, not so much. Combine that with a very slim economic margin (farmers and ranchers) and many don't get medical attention. Sadly, many rural care centers are disappearing because of economic reasons and medical personnel shortages. The only answer our government can come up with is importation of foreign medical personnel. Hows that going? Good question...
Even RCTs don’t offer good data because of their expense and the resulting sponsor induced bias. As one sage once told me, “The first question to ask the sponsor is, ‘what result do you want?’. Then design the study to deliver that result. That way you get repeat business.”
What is the chance of a bias free RCT when you stand to make billions of dollars on the results of the trial your running?
Which Pharma company had “truly bias-free data”?
"Healthy vaccine user bias" REQUIRES vaccine users to CHOOSE to be vaxxed. It requires the user to have the free will, absolute free will, to choose the vaxx or to not choose the vaxx.
Only then do you have a population from which you can derive said bias.
That is of course NOT what has happened and continues to happen with the Chinese virus jabs, precisely because so many millions of "vaccine users" were compelled or coerced or deceived into being jabbed.
You simply cannot discern any healthy vaccine user bias from the current population of those jabbed with the clot shots because that population has been tainted beyond hope, period.
Plus one cannot discount the skewing of results by outright fraud. Look at how the pro-"global warming" disciples "adjust" the data to make it look like temperatures are rising when in fact they are flat (in addition to placing weather stations and thermometers in artificially hot locations such as near streets or airport runways or on concrete buildings). There are many ways to tweak data to get the desired results!
This is also explains why red meat has been maligned for years. Healthy people have been told to avoid Sat fat for seventy years. 🙄 healthy user bias.
Alex --someone has hijacked your name. My email inbox has about a dozen comments made to other people on Jeff Childers’ “stack” using your name but opening as another name.
Not to disagree with the group of folks here who claim that a "health conscious crowd" bias may be skewing the C19 mRNA payload efficaciousness "upward".....but what I did notice was that none of the opining and backed up posits supporting this "health conscious crowd" notion mentioned a single thing that rhymed with 'bang for your buck".... Pfizer & Moderna et.al......have managed to SNAG perhaps upwards of ONE HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS IN SALES OVER THE PAST 30 MONTHS.....and WHATEVER impact the "health conscious crowd" might have or MIGHT have had on justifying the expenditure of a HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS......well I'm going out on a risky but safe enough health conscious limb and saying: "This was a horrific and absolutely incomprehensible waste of money"
We've spent 2 full years now literally arguing over how well a substance works at preventing serious illness or death.....from a pathogen propped up as deadly by using perhaps the most willfully dishonest case cataloguing and genuine impact compilation methodology EVER put in motion.....and there's a handful of Pharma interests out there who've amassed a fortune most any nation on earth might covet.
I can’t believe Berenson is not refuting ridiculous claim that healthy people seek vaccines. NOT TRUE. Please read the following: https://cjhopkins.substack.com/p/the-mother-of-all-limited-hangouts?utm_medium=email
> Just a reminder that the only truly bias-free data comes from large, properly run randomized clinical trials matching a control group and a treatment group. We had those for Covid, but the vaccine companies ruined them in early 2021 (with government approval).
I'm unconvinced there. They weren't large enough, given the extremely low incidence of negative outcomes with COVID as it is. They weren't properly-run in many ways, including the gaming of the endpoint. But they were better than nothing, and by sabotaging the trials we got nothing.
"Just a reminder that the only truly bias-free data comes from large, properly run randomized clinical trials matching a control group and a treatment group."
We do have and can use large scale (unintentional) empirical data such as the Israel/Palestine data, where the (low vaccinated) Palestinians have no more Covid deaths, whereas the (high vaccinated) Israelis continue to show ongoing Covid deaths. This also despite Omicron being the dominant strain, with much lower pathogenicity than earlier strains. Healthy User bias would suggest that the opposite should be the case?
It's important to note also that a lot of good quality data (age stratified by vaccination status) is available but being withheld by Governenments. And conversely, some data which appears to be good quality uses unreliable definition of "Cases" and "Unvaccinated" to screw results.
Yeah, not sure I buy that entirely. Everyone I know that DIDN'T take the vax (me included) are fit and work out regularly. However, the evidence DOES support those that that received the vax have an abnormally low cranial capacity and an inability to assess numerical data.
Note here, in typical Berenson fashion, he ignores the obvious. We need RCTs for the best data, but the "vaccine" companies ruined them in early 2021. FFS
So we trust that big pharma didn't tamper with trials in the past, in spite of billions in fines, and otherwise nobody is tampering with RCTs in order to achieve a desired outcome. This is again nonsensical, just like Berenson trusting that the same people lying to everyone about all things Corona are for some reason not lying on multiple other topics, like democrat election fraud.
FYI, the C in RCT is most commonly used for the word "controlled", and not for "clinical". And controlled makes far more sense.
Education, I asked an extended family member, how did He know his view was correct? I didn't think it was an unfair question. With an incredulous look He turned to Me and pointed at his 50in TV. After 2020, I fear We might have a long road ahead of us.