Why do they keep pushing this long Covid? I have never met anyone in real life who has even mentioned it. It seems to be a disease that exists solely in the imagination of journalists.
They push long COVID to try to blame COVID for the side effects of the vaccine. The vaccinated will all get COVID (because the vaccines don’t prevent), and so they will blame COVID, not the vaccine, for the adverse effects. It’s their pivot once they got caught.
A dear friend of ours had a very serious case of Covid. 4 months in hospital, intubated twice, etc. He is still recovering (a year later) and his partner says its long Covid. I think it was the 2 vaccines he received in the hospital while fighting it. She demanded he be vaxxed. (of course she has also accused us of attempted murder because he got it from us before we knew we had been exposed, so...)
I'm willing to bet this person is elderly and/or obese. We're not talking about a 22 year old marine in good shape, are we?. We're not talking about someone that was going to the Olympics, right? I highly doubt that this person is sick with long covid. He might have had covid at the outset but at this point, he's got a weak, frail, and or obese body with a lot of ailments and it's blamed on covid. Typical
Tons of co-morbidities. 60 years old, grossly overweight, pre-diabetic, former smoker, alcoholic, cancer survivor. he definitely had covid, and waited too long to go to the hospital. but I wonder if he's vaxx injured.
While I have compassion for such a person, he's not healthy from the get-go. There are too many deaths of people in very bad health that just happen to test positive for covid-19 and yet, their deaths are attributed to not just dying WITH but dying FROM covid-19. This is what makes up the one million Americans that died "OF" covid. We're talking about people that are on average, 80 years old, 3-4 comorbidities, obese, and quite often diabetic. This is the untold story of covid that it's only a minor risk to the vast majority of Americans and is possibly a contributing factor to death among people that are grossly unhealthy and have very little time left.
Agree. To be perfectly honest I am surprised he survived Covid. He's the only person I know of who was ventilated and put in a coma twice. But on the bright side, he's losing tons of weight and taking care of himself - he heeded that warning.
I had 2-3 months of fatigue after I got better (my corona was less than a cold). Finally the fatigue went away, but I would get winded with the tiniest of inclines. It wasn't my imagination, and it certainly doesn't mean I believe in lockdowns, shots, masks, mandates, and all the rest of the lies.
Agreed. Unvaccinated old guy in very good (maybe great) shape, and Covid sucked at 59. I do not want a "shot" to fix my lifestyle. I have a Special Needs Son, and I work VERY hard at making us healthy. Thank you wifey for all the research. It took a full 3 weeks to get back to normal. Not complaining, just acknowledging that Covid and Life is/are complicated.
My wife and I had Covid the week before Thanksgiving, and after recovery we both experienced the fatigue you mention, along with occasional "brain-fog"; i.e. a difficulty getting our minds to maintain focus. After a few months, it all subsided. I can't remember the last time I had those symptoms.
I have not had Covid but have fatigue and brain fog and muscle soreness. Why does everyone assume it is the covid that is causes this? Inactivity causes this. I feel like this after every single extended holiday period that is spent in the house.
Thinking people need to remember this was more likely than not a lab created BW with some strange nuances tied in during the tinkering process. Who knows the what exact cell lines the BW was run thru and what was exactly tagged within
Agree. I think it may be the virus’ spike proteins that linger in the body after infection. There are detox protocols that help clear the spikes, whether they are from the virus or the jab. Being an engineered virus is probably why the toxic spikes remain long term- to max vascular damage.
👍 think you hit it on the head. This lab created BW is a mishmash of many things and no one, including the creators, have satisfactory answers for what’s coming = the gift that keeps on giving😱
Yes, everything was closed for at least 3 months but most of my schools have yet to have the classes I teach held in person. It was 6 months since the end of the semester here in Japan and my first need to go on campus, and that was for training on how to use Zoom for their classes. So for 6 months, at home all day every day. Did walk my son to school and back once his classes started, 3 months late. Went from daily commute carrying all my stuff to next to zero physical activity and endless on screen work with out a break fo 6 months. One trip into school after 6 months followed by months, now years of monotony of working online from home with the occasional commute, now once a week.
Hotels and tourist site are opening back up but many require proof of three shots of the vaccine, daily temperature record, constant hand sanitizing, social distancing and, of course the masks. Indoors, outdoors, vaxxed or unvacced, no matter. No cheering at sports events. No laughing at last week’s filming of a comedy TV show we got to be in the studio audience for.
Brain fog and all the rest of this might be caused by “long covid”, but long term isolation in small rooms causes this too. That is why isolation is used for punishment of prisoners who break prison rules. That is why those in solitary confinement are given time out of the cell to walk and stretch. The problems associated with this have long been known. Yet, now that we have big bad scary stuff that requires us to live as prisoners in the gilded cages of our own homes, cut off from personal interaction with anyone out side the home for years, it can’t be the over reaction to the disease cause these symptoms, it must be the diseases and we must continue living as prisoners until the symptoms go away. I say “No”.
There is truth to that - after experiencing all of the above symptoms on a regular basis, I’ve started doing mild stretching exercises in the morning, and walking the dogs about a mile a day, and have felt relatively normal since I started
When I am able to go into town or, as last week go out for a day, it mostly clears up. I bought a bike at the end of 2020 and feel much better when I get to go for a ride, but a hand full of times a month is no substitution for the daily walking and stair climbing of the commute. Nor is staring at screens ALL day with next to zero breaks. I do not have a “smart” phone, so have never been one of those phone zombies that have taken over the world. The breaks provided by my commuting between work sites was more valuable than I realized.
My aunt waited way too long to be treated. When she made it to the hospital she almost died. It took 10 days to get her back on her feet, and then she needed oxygen for another couple of months. Little by little it went better and now she seems to be totally healed. The doc told her there was permanent damage on her lungs though, and that she might indeed be tired easily. If that is long covid she has it. But there was no test needed to find her ill, she almost died!
I'd also like to add that when I would ask how long my feet would hurt or I would have chemo brain, etc., my oncologist and his staff were quick to acknowledge my symptoms. They were also quick to reassure me that the symptoms would gradually go away and not to be alarmed. That helped a lot with my mindset on the horrors of the cancer treatment experience.
Maybe some of these folks with "long covid" should be hearing the same kind of message?
Thanks for mentioning the brain fog, I knew about the depression associated with Covid (it was awful), but do suffer these brain fogs periodically, I thought they might be TIAs
I too have been having brain fog but have not had covid. Now that some things are kinda sorta back to normal, well we can go on hikes anyway, going for a walk in the fresh air clears it up for a while. The longer out and about, the more effective.
So true! I do a few at stretching exercises every morning and take the dogs for a .8 of a mile walk every day and haven’t had brain fog for a week! Interactions with real people helps, too - We’ve all experienced way too much solitude in the past 2 1/2 years
My sister probably had it the original go round. She had very similar symptoms, specifically fatigue, off and on, for 6 months. She's fine now. I'm starting week 3 after Covid. I got a terrible sinus infection and am struggling with brain fog and fatigue. But, overall, still glad I didn't do the shot. My 10yo was better in 36 hours, she was sicker with the flu a few years ago.
I have not had covid but have fatigue, get winded climbing stairs in my home, have muscle soreness. Two plus years of enforced inactivity will cause this and more. As those who got covid and those who got the faccine also have been forced into long terms of physical and mental inactivity, and that I have yet to see a study ruling out lockdowns as a cause, I remain highly skeptical that covid is the cause.
I didn't stop exercising all through the pandemic - if anything I exercised more as it was obvious it was important to stay fit to beat it. Walking, cycling, swimming, home aerobics, strength training etc. I got Covid in January and it was definitely the virus that caused my fatigue which lasted a couple of weeks. No biggy I have had post viral fatigue before but the fatigue is very different to how you would feel from physical inactivity.
Should add, switching to all on line classes, I have been chained to my computer setting everything up and then running everything. My level of physical activity is the lowest it has ever been, for over 2 years now.
Come on, you cant be working ALL the time. Whats to stop you going for a walk at lunchtime and in the evening? Or a bike ride? There are a million online exercise classes to choose from if the weather is awful.
Yes, I am working, or was working all the time. One of the realities of working from home is that the boundary between work and home time has long since been erased. First, was the long hours trying to figure out how to conduct class on line for each of my then 8 employers, each with different, constantly changing requirements. Deadlines change constantly as various employers tried to figure out what, if anything, they needed to change. Working hours quickly became 8 am to 1 or 2 am. Eating meals, except dinner over my keyboard. Worse for my wife.
I stayed in recently for two days because I thought I was getting sick and ended up with horrible achiness from inactivity, which subsided once I got back outside.
You raise a good point. Some people may have stayed home too long. In my case I didn't know I had it (January 2020) and I was traveling so I never stayed in. And no one caught it either, so I suspect the transmissibility. (I went to an island with zero cases and the first case was 6 weeks later when a sick family arrived.) I also think the fear made people WAY more susceptible than we will ever know. Even my doctors (one quit just as the vax came out) agreed.
Yes, mental state plays a role and as you say, probably more than we will ever know. Especially as it would put more blame on those who forced all this upon us.
BTW, many are STILL staying home. My wife has been in to the office only 3 times since early 2020. Myself, I used to go into Tokyo 5 days a week. I have been changing between 3 days, to days, once a week and once a month during the same period. Down to once a week again after this week. When summer hits, once a month again.
I've been working normally in the office since may 2020 and flown over 100 times. No covid. No vaccine. Feel in great shape and raised my vit d from 28 to 75
Not all of us are or were able to do that. While lockdowns were never mandated, everything was closed for three months, so there was no where to go and nothing to do, if one had the time away form online work. Once things did I open back up, they operated under reduced opening hours and reduced occupancy. May 2020 a city renowned for its tulip fields cut all the flowers off to prevent drawing people to their town.
This year, the occupancy cap for large events was lifted, yet the ball park we went to was far from full with seats kept empty between groups of fans. Signs posted everywhere reminded one and all to keep our masks on, I did not, and no cheering. This being my son’s first game and my first in over 20 years, I stood up to cheer when our team got a hit. An usher quickly ran down and told me to sit down and shut up and put a mask on. What the hell is the point of watching a game at the ball park when you must do your best impersonation of a statue? All festivals have been cancelled for two years. A few, very few have been held this Spring. They required proof of 3 shots of the faccine or three days of negative PCR teats and of course, masks to participate. Not 100% sure on this, but am reasonably sure that no shouting is allowed. Check YouTube for Japanese Matsuri for how they were done pre panic and imagine the same with masks and in silence. My kid is in his 3 yeard year of elementary school with “Mokushoku”, eating in silence. Wears his mask 10 hours a day…the same single mask for the whole day. Recently, a large number of school shield ran from the same school were transported to hospital by ambulance for practicing for theirs sports day festival, running races, in masks. There is nothing at all sane where I live, Japan. I am currently at a school, my students taking their final exam. This is my last day here for the entire calendar year. I have one remaining school that is currently holding in person lessons. My other schools, a med school and a nursing school, are both all online. This is the thirds school year they have been all on line for. I have med students who believe they must wear masks in their own homes for zoom lessons. In fact, one of my schools demanded that I wear a mask for their online lessons. I said “No.” and was given special permission not to wear a masks for online lessons. All other teachers do, or so I am told.
Those of you who are free of this madness, I am thankful for you. There is hope for humanity yet, little though it may be.
I think a subset, very small percentage, develop long term measurable issues from covid. I do not have long covid. In fact, I was making fun of still feeling awful to my brother-in-law last night. But, Covid has been different from any virus I've had. It has wiped me out and is taking longer to recover from.
From another post it sounds like you are in Japan. Most of America has been open and active for at least a year. So, unless you are in certain states, you didn't have to sit inside and do nothing for 2 years unless you wanted to. I was more fit during and after the pandemic than before because I prioritized exercise for my mental health. But, I also agree that many did not do that and this woman in the article sounds like anxiety.
Viruses are weird, even the ones that aren't man-made. My daughter caught a cold from her classmate in 2017. The classmate was fine and my daughter ended up in the hospital for 3 days with a "virus of unknown origin." She's 10 and she isn't the same. What happened to her is rare, very rare, but it isn't unknown the pediatric hospital said they treat about 3 a year. So, I discount nothing with viruses because my experience shows they are nasty and can do long term damage.
Yes, I have run in to that wall myself. A couple of time over the past week, in fact…..without getting covid. 2 years ago it was a joke, “What is today’s date, anyway?” “I think it is April 65th.” Long before long covid and the vaccines there were many reports and articles describing how and why people were mentally confused and foggy. Then of course we had all the memes of how everyone was looking without shaving or doing their hair for a couple of months followed by those of people trying to fit into their prepanic clothes. Am I the only one here who remembers these?
I know what you mean Anne; it was so sudden the way it hit. I set off walking my dogs and literally halfway through the walk it hit me and it was exhausting making it home, had to keep stopping. The fatigue reminded me of the fatigue I had with glandular fever so yes, this can happen with viruses.
my husband could barely make it the block to the stop sign and back. it was terrible. The fatigue did hit us both hard. I think I bounced back more quickly because I started at a more healthy point. This should be a wakeup call to us all regarding our health.
I had covid 2021 and lost my hair in clumps for over 6 months after. My bloodwork indicated high levels of inflammation. I started IV post viral treatments as well as some supplements and my symptoms resolved.
That's a good deduction! I don't hear about SIDS anymore, though, like I did in the 80s and 90s. Did they find a prevention, having infants sleep supine instead of prone?
They discuss health issues only to the extent they can weaponize them, propagandize them, or gaslight us about them. Otherwise, it’s only death and suffering for, as Hariri says, “the useless class”.
I’m not sure that is true. People who have had neither the shot nor covid have the same. All three groups have been under various degrees of lockdowns for extended periods of time and extended periods of in activity has long been known to cause the same set of symptoms. I think it is cover for their idiotic lockdown policies.
Deconditioning and mental well-being are certainly a challenge for all of society. Good thing we actually have tests that validate the symptoms as actual LC vs other issues
But testing positive for covid while having these symptoms merely finds a correlation, not causation. What’s is being done to rule out long term inactivity?
I used to teach 7 hours of class two days a week with long periods on the train between classes and 3 to 5 hours the remain days of the work week. Generally, I took the stairs instead of speculators or elevators and choose to stand on the train for the minimum 2 hours a day commute. After 6 months of inactivity, the first time into work complete exhausted me. I knew it would be more tiring than usual, but I was falling asleep at the dinner table at 7pm. I usually go to bed after midnight. I was shocked at how much my energy level, physical strength, mental acuity, stamina, etc had changed for the worse in that time. The nest day, I emailed some coworkers to warn them to be prepared to be knocked flat the first time in to work. One had already gone it and had the same experience.
Suddenly stop all you physical activity and sit in front of a keyboard for 6 months and then try to jump back in the saddle. It is devastating. More for some than others, as is always the case, but this alone will knock most flat.
Once the hiking trails opened back up and hiking events resumed, we have done as many as we can. Not as bad as a year ago, but the extra body weight gained from this enforced unhealthy lifestyle and the still greatly reduced physical activity level and all day staring at a computer screen adding the anxiety of massive losses in income, I bet I could go into just about any doctors office and be diagnosed with Long Covid.
If you are positive for Covid and you are coughing and having trouble breathing which continues and as soon as the acute infection resolves you are in actual heart failure, you have high blood pressure, you have abnormal pulmonary function tests, you have evidence of cardiac inflammation on testing - and you are not getting better - I don't think that is just inactivity. For some patients, there is definite abnormal testing that shows it is something other than just having sat home too long. I also had written something earlier today about the micro-clots as one of the possible mechanisms of action for the long term pulimonary problems some experience, but I don't see where that is right now, and I'm not going to try to re-explain it. But I have patients who have had hard evidence of heart and lung damage after Covid, with impairment in their ability to do their previous jobs, and others with a messed up immune system after Covid. No, it's not everyone, but it is definitely real.
I suspect is real as it is real with other diseases. I doubt, however, that all reported cases of long covid are from covid. We know that not all covid deaths are deaths caused by covid, thus, it must be expected to be the case for long covid.
That said, for all of my adult life and probably longer, we have been told of the multiple health risks of a sedentary lifestyle. How does the risk of this just go away when such a lifestyle is mandated?
That is perhaps the truest statement yet! They have changed the definition of “case” and even “vaccine”, so why not just include vaccine injuries and the effects of long term isolation and or confinement within the definition of “long covid”?
You should take the IncellKINE test. If it’s negative, it’s not LC. LC does not correlate with severity of COVID symptoms and can occur in mildly symptomatic people who aren’t aware of COVID infection/after vaccination. LC is not a diagnosis of exclusion now that we have options to test and more research everyday. However, many doctors treat it as such and misdiagnose because they haven’t taken the time to read and try new things. Could be reactivated Lyme, EBV, ME/CFS, etc. you have to do what’s best for you. Fatigue isn’t the only symptom typically of LC; usually a myriad.
fatigue is not the only symptom I have. I also have insomnia, but this is a long recurring event that predates the panic, though it does have a different quality to it. Mental fogginess, low stamina, listlessness and anxiety also compete for prominence among my symptoms. Most of these have improved significantly once I was able to get put more. Cycling once a week during the winter break helped as does hiking. The change after a day of hiking in the sun is almost as profound as the change I observed of six months indoors. Forcing myself to take the stairs and to stand on the train when all my muscles hurts has also paid off. But these gains are short lived as work and home responsibilities bring back to the keyboard. With life experience added to the above, I am certain inactivity plays by far the greatest role for myself. Six month deployments in the engine room of a naval vessel render similar results, though. was much younger then and we had breaks in the monotony, not all fun but all very exciting.
RioRosie - to get government disability benefits, you have to be unable to work for a full two years, so if you get Covid and you just don'[t want to go back to work, it's going to be minimum two years before anyone gets a check, but for people with true, serious disabilities, I have seen it take four years or longer - so you would no income for all that time. Things are very backed up now due to Covid, I know people - not Covid patients, but others with various disabilities - who have waited years for their hearing. The Covid patients I know are hard workers who would much prefer to go back to their old jobs if they were able. One of my patients had long Covid and was out of work for a year but was able to live in the home of a relative which helped because he didn't have to pay rent which he couldn't have, and finally went back to work, which he wanted to, he couldn't do his old job and had to get something lesser, but he did finally go back to work - he had some of the meds recommended by the FLCCC at FLCCC.net - but he also still has heart / lung damage and can only do sedentary work now and not what he used to do. One of my patients with long Covid is a co-owneer of a small business, and I don't know if she is currently able to work or not, she kept trying to work, and was motivated to work because it was her business, but she was very unwell, and now she's getting treatment from some kind of alternative practitioner since the FLCCC meds and the Patterson meds didn't work out well for her. It's no picnic living on disability as it never fully replaces your income. When homeowners with professional jobs become disabled IF they are in the position of living on government benefits, they won't be able to make their house payments etc. The benefits are not huge, it's subsistence and it's not something that most people would want particularly if they are accustomed to working and having the normal things that one can buy - and then to have a fixed income that is much less than your former lifestyle - it's a safety net for people who need it, so that hopefully they can eat and have a roof over their head. It varies according to how long they have worked and how much they have already paid in to Social Security, but it's not generally like, oh, goodie, I don't have to work anymore, I can go live at the beach and have fun every day - I have patients who are disabled, who would rather be working. Who liked being productive, who liked their jobs, and liked their income. WHo are trying to get well. Actually, while I do have long Covid patients who became unable to work, NONE of my long Covid patients have every collected one cent of disability benefits. They have not yet been disabled long enough, and they do not have private disability insurance. I have other patients who are on disability, but none of my long Covid patients. So, I don't think it's for the money.
Yes, indeed: there are people who legitimately claim and deserve disability. And yes, it's supposed to be a bare minimum to survive, and not a payment that is immediately available. It's a long, tortured process.
BUT....
There are--and will be--scammers who will take advantage of covid.
Disability also opens the door to other "goodies" from the federal & state benefit buffet: food stamps, subsidized housing, fuel assistance (for heating & cooling).
Among the most egregious examples of which I am aware is a 60-year-old woman who has NEVER worked. She graduated from high school, hung out at home for years. In order to get her out of the house, her upper-middle-class parents hired a lawyer to file her disability claim of "developmentally challenged." (She's not. She's lazy & a spoiled brat.)
She has, for almost 40 years, been living in "affordable housing" apartment, she receives food stamps, Medicaid, reduced-price cable TV, a reduced-priced cellphone, and subsidized utilities.
Her family periodically gives her money for "extras." But living off the government is much less than her family would've paid---and could afford. (BTW, this woman also received the "stimulus" checks.)
Of course this is an extreme case. But I don't think it's isolated. With the government attitude about covid, I wonder how rigorously it will oppose claims based on supposed covid-based health problems.
Fibromyalgia, chronic Lyme disease, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome etc also appear to work through the CCR5-Rantes pathway just like long COVID. Those patients are also responding very well to Maraviroc. It’s not imaginary. I am a very athletic, healthy physician until Long COVID was ruining my life. All better now after treatment. Ready to play tennis again. I kept getting more and more debilitated. I am unvaxed. I thought the same thing until it happened to me. Doctors are idiots these days so I had to be my own advocate. See my comment above.
"I cannot trust your ilk..." It appears you were directing this to LHappy, I think, but it's sad that you have decided that all physicians are ____ idiots? Criminals? Fill in the blank. While government officials at the CDC, FDA and NIH actually were a huge part of the problem - NIH in helping to create the virus in the first place, FDA giving us the clot shot, and CDC rehashing the WHO's bad advice they got from Communist China - and all the while, many of them making tons of money off their pharma patents - there were OTHER physicians who treated Covid often keeping people out of the hospital who were NOT profiting, who did the best we could trying to figure which research was fraudulent and which valid, and how to help patients - but to you, we are all alike. Good to know. Next time your name shows up in a thread, I will make sure not to read or respond since I am also one of the ones you don't like. In many professions, we recognize there are some good, some bad, not everyone is the same, but if all physicians are not worth listening to - good. I have better things to do than get into these conversations anyway.
Do you know how brave and difficult it is just for physicians to refuse the vax as this gentleman has?! When we take out our righteous anger on the wrong person, it's abusive. Please stop.
All of you are indoctrinated. You only think what you’re told to think and the telling is done by pharma. I’ll take my chances and if that means maybe living a few years less (unlikely) so be it
What's the series of tests that can identify this? I recall Patterson was working on this and found a bunch of S1 spikes in "long COVID" people long after active infection had passed.
I do think they're also lumping vax injury into the "long COVID" bucket, just to skate away from vax damage responsibility.
Vaccine = COVID - spike gonna spike.
ALT: a toxin by any other mechanism doth hurt as bad.
Yep! I think that was their plan all along. Blame the man made virus for everything, right?! The test is IncellKINE. They can also do an immune subset test to see how the level of reprogrammed monocytes with “trapped” S1 are responding to therapy. Go to Covidlonghaulers.com and in the drop down you can go to resources to watch quick explaination of the findings. My daughter is 13 and a competitive tennis player, also unvaxed, she was getting worse and worse 8 months after Covid. Severe fatigue, plummeting grades( normally As. Resting heart rate in 130s, low blood pressure. She responded extremely fast to treatment. Unusual that we both have it. Apparently worse in athletes. LC is Very present after vaccine. Read the studies and the supplements. The pre-print coming out about CCR5-rantes has some beautiful graphics regarding improvement with Maraviroc. There is a link with CFS, reactivated EBV, reactivated Lyme. The afore mentioned videos will shed light on that. Happy reading.
I don't blame the group here for being cynical about Pharma, especially after the "safe & effective" gaslighting operation. Here's Patterson's paper, for anyone who wants to look at his evidence. [Do people still look at evidence?]
I'm guessing there are probably non-pharma treatments that can work also - assuming they can use the same mechanisms. Though I'm not a doctor, so - don't be taking medical advice from me! :)
Here is the pre-print. Great graphics based on multiple scales of symtomatology relating to cognition, heart, respiratory, dysautonomia ( POTS AS RECERENCED ON Alex’s article when the doctor did a tilt table test, which is appropriate by the way) https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.02.20084673v1.full-text
Well, for one of my patients who had long Covid, she did have a consultation with Patterson who recommended about $500 worth of tests that were not covered by insurance, and he recommended some meds that in her case did not help - they may have helped many, but didn't help her, so now she has someone else who is helping her but I don't know her current status. But yes, for those who have long Covid, one possibility is to go to Patternson's website, get the lab work, get a consultation - I think he helps some people. This is not one size fits all, and long Covid is a new thing where there is not yet certainty about how to treat. At FLCCC.net there are protocols that are useful for some depending on what the symptoms are. I don't think the labs are to "prove" whether or not you have long Covid, it just helps to guide treatment if you have long Covid - and you would mostly likely know if you had long Covid by having had a positive test, having had Covid, and then still having persistent symptoms, so I don't think there is any "test" necessary except to help guide treatment.
How long was your period of forced inactivity? If you were under lockdown for an extended period of time, how did you rule out that as being the cause of your symptoms? I suffered “long covid” long before it was given a name, before getting vaxxed and I have not had covid. I have, however, been under various degrees lockdown now, for well over two years.
I was never locked down. I live in a free state. No masks. Tennis, Regular BBQs. School as usual. Did you get your T cells tested ( T-detect) to see if you e had it but been asymptomatic?
I had a blood test about a years ago but was told that it would only show positive if I had been infected about a month prior to the test.
However, long term inactivity has long been known to produce the same symptoms. I have experienced similar after much shorter periods of time, why would months, now years of enforced inactivity be discounted out of hand? It needs to be looked into. I bet it is the cause of many, if not most, perhaps not all “long covid” cases. As said by perhaps you, if not, by another in this post, this symptoms are also common with other viral infections. None of this is new.
Barcode, How do you know they are imaginery? You should be thanking God you don't have to live with one of these diagnoses.
There is research showing that you can take a healthy "normal" person and produce fibromyalgia symptoms in that person by interrupting their sleep at a particular stage - and there is also other research showing that people who have fibromyalgia have a sleep disorder involving that same sleep stage.
There is also a lot of research related to low magnesium levels in the cells, that the magnesium is not getting into the cells properly. I used to take a magnesium / malic acid supplement which helped but the one that I used became unavailable perhaps because there was NOT enough money in it. Flexeril is a muscle relaxer that has helped some people with fibromyalgia however, it went off patent decades ago, and is no longer manufactured - because there was NO money in it. The generic subsitute, which does not work as well, can be gotten for about $4. I would say actually, that it is not the money that leads to diagnosis and treatment of fibromyalgia but rather the lack of money leads patients NOT to be diagnosed and NOT to be adequately treated - there are no expensive meds to treat fibromyalgia, so no pharma companies sending out teams to teach doctors how to diagnose it and how to treat.
There is research on physical aspects like how magnesium is utilized in the cells, whether sufficient oxygen is being utilized in the cells, the sleep cycles, etc. but - there's more money in cancer resaerch etc. and in some cases - who cares about a woman's quality life anyway? A much higher percentage of fibro cases are female, and easy for anyone to say it is imaginery if you don't have it yourself.
When I was in medical school, fibromyalgia was not taught whatsoever, was not in the text books, but I had one patient with fibromyalgia during residency where I learned about it. I later developed fibromyalgia after an injury and became aware that it is apparently the most common outpatient rheumatological condition - but most doctors don't know much about treatment. People think it is a trivial illness, but that is only people who do not have it who think that.
Because this is NOT where the money is, and not where the grants are for the most part, and it's a predominantly female illness that male researchers may not find interesting - I certainly admit that the current research is not perfect, and I have not read all of it. The things that helped me the most are things that were usually not covered by insurance, such as physical therapy, underwater exercise, massage therapy, accupuncture etc. IF there were some hugely expensive drug for this that pharma could make money on, I would know about it, but there isn't. Nobody but nobody is getting rich taking care of fibromyalgia patients.
I work hard in my profession, I take care of my family, I don't whine about fibromyalgia, but I do find it distressing for people who apparently know nothing about it to say it is imaginery. If I haven't experienced it, it must be imaginery? The other thing is, maybe there are physicians who misdiagnose - they have a patient, they don't know what it is, so - must be fibro, there it is. And maybe it's not fibro at all. Maybe you know someone who does have it in their imagination. But since I do have it, I have a lot of experience with it, and have taken the time and trouble to coach my patients on how to take care of their fibro, and voilia, they do much better. Oh, when you work in your garden for 15 minutes, you have so much pain you can't get out of bed for two days? Okay, but you can work in the garden for 5 minutes? Okay, so just increase the exercise by one minute at a time - if you can do 5 minutes, maybe you can do 6 (etc.), building up exercise tolerance very gradually. Or - things like moist heat, stretches, ice if you overdo it, sometimes physical therapy if the physical therapist knows what they are doing. If you have lived with it long enough and have tried everything, there are things that can be done to help manage this disorder and be able to do more of what they need / want to do.
There is short Covid. When I had it, it lasted right at, 4 days. And the worst part about it when I had it is I had the strangest taste in my mouth. I mean it was flat out alien!!!
I don’t doubt there are even some people with some longer period deleterious effects from a really bad case of Covid. Like any serious illness that can create havoc in your body. But they exaggerate the amount of long covid and have been gaslighting people to think that even asymptomatic covid causes long covid. That was an attempt to scare people into taking the shot. Now I am convinced they use it as cover.
Lol 😆 INTERMEDIATE COVID!!!! Lol 😝 I would like to know who came up with the name Covid??? and why did they settle on that mean??? I’m going to have to do some research because I hate to ask a question that I don’t already know the answer too. 😊
Hell no!! No way in hell will I ever be. Me and my wife know a-lot of folks here in Wyoming and North Dakota & Montana. And not 1 of them got vaxxed. All of them feel the same when it comes to that issue. And many other issues.
The same reason Fauci & Friends were looking to get as many people to take the bogus PCR-based AIDS test (which wasn't an AIDS test and was not even an HIV test): so they could declare lots of cases and justify unleashing a formerly banned carcinogenic and mutagenic drug (AZT) on millions. This film explains it all and how it connect with the CoVid Con https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wy3frBacd2k&feature=emb_logo
I agree with James, Gwen and Brogan: According to the Atlantic's piece of trash by Benjamin Mazer: "The COVID vaccines are, without exaggeration, among the safest and most effective therapies in all of modern medicine.
Oh Benjamin, your ignorance is now a hallmark of your exaggeration.
I must admit I read that line and could not finish the article. My “well-educated” friends read The Atlantic and think they are well informed😱 Such lies!!
Is this a real quote?? Does he really write "without exaggeration" and "All of modern medicine"?? I can't even glance at Atlantic, let alone read it, so if this is a real quote please answer in these comments cuz Im in shock at how blatant their lies continue to be despite 2 years of contrary evidence blasting like a T-Shirt gun. I'd love to know how they're getting paid to spew this dark nonsense.
Are there some people who have persistent problems after contracting Covid? - Yes
Is this labeled "Long Covid"? - Yes
Are the symptoms and the experience real? - Yes
Is "Long Covid" over diagnosed? - Yes
I have read far too many stories (many in this post) of people who had persistent symptoms of fatigue and other things after a bout with Covid to not believe that something goes on with some people's bodies in response to an infection with Covid.
It is also the case that it is over diagnosed and attributed by Doctors and patients.
So let's just stop putting down the people who have legitimate issues while acknowledging that it has been over-publicized (what hasn't?) in this frenzy over Covid.
There are many who are sick with something, but the only science that has been done on this that is not total garbage cannot find biochemical markers that are consistent among people reporting "Long CoVid", so exactly what they are sick with is not clear. If they were vaccinated (or double vaccinated with booster) it may well be a vaccine injury. If they weren't, they may have had a subclinical problem that CoVid (or a cold or a flu or the psychological disaster CoVid lockdowns caused for so many) pushed over the edge. Garbage science and medicine do not lead to cures. Right now the "treatment" of choice were I live is a CoVid booster and anti-depressants so be cautious of joining the "It must be Long CoVid" Circus Parade
I don't consider bringing light to the people that are suffering and died over-publicized? There isn't enough attention given to their conditions. In fact one of the problems is that doctors are reluctant to give a diagnosis of Long Covid. Believe I know.
I'm afraid this is not true. Post CoVid is turning into a medical cash cow for some doctors who are only too happy to "treat' it. Garbage science and medicine does not yield effective treatments. That people are suffering from something. Declaring it "Long CoVid" in the absence of even remotely acceptable science does not help.
I respectfully disagree. My sister has suffered for over 12 months after receiving the vaccine. both long covid and vaccine injuries have the same sy mptoms . I do know of individuals treated for both that have responded. My sister is now under the program and finally seeing some relief. Most dr. we went to did not even want to near my sister and deny her injuries came from covid. There are very few in the medical profession that I have any use for.
I'm not saying it's not real, but I do know the power of suggestion. Our brains are fascinating. My grandmother had a leg amputated and after that it was always itchy. I believe I had long covid. Lost my sense of smell. It turned out to be a blessing. Everytime I walked into the restroom it didn't smell. A year later I can now smell everything.
I know one man who was, at least, very slow to recover from Covid - about 3-4 months to get back to normal, and he wasn’t lying around thinking about it, he was trying to work.
I do tend to agree there’s less of it than claimed, though.
I seen it down in Florida 2 weeks ago in Pensacola. Some still wearing mask!! And some wearing a mask while driving and they! Are the only one in the SUV!!!!!!! Insane!!!
Because it exists and my sister is an example. Pls. see my comment above. There are my in her condition and if you are really interested all you have to do "very" little research to educate yourself.
There are many who are sick with something, but the only science that has been done on this that is not total garbage cannot find biochemical markers that are consistent among people reporting "Long CoVid", so exactly what they are sick with is not clear. If they were vaccinated (or double vaccinated with booster) it may well be a vaccine injury. If they weren't they may have had a subclinical problem that CoVid (or a cold or a flu or the psychological disaster CoVid lockdowns caused for so many) pushed over the edge.
Judy Mikovits in her book plague of corruption goes into detailed ways explaining much of the origins of ME-CFS and XMRV issues long ago. The 1930's San Francisco medical nursing staff cover-up by the Rockefellers was interesting. So many of those medical personnel had eerily similar "long Covid (short, intermediate, ULTRA...CALL it what you wish)" symptoms" As did decades later post injections for so call public benefit in the decades following to modern day
Trust me, a Honda, Hinda, Hondo, Hilda are out there claiming long C too. Just wait until there is special perks from the Gov't if you're diagnosed with long C. Flood gates will open and job openings galore.
Scientists made a startling discovery recently when conducting tests on BIDEN and a common rock. They found that not only did the rock possess higher intelligence than BIDEN , but the rock was also far more useful.
This is right up there with CFS. Exactly the same demographic for all of them. The most telling study (peer reviewed) was the one that showed that the only correlation with long covid was whether you THOUGHT you had covid. Actually having covid (by testing) was unrelated.
CFS and fibromyalgia, chronic Lyme and Long COVID all appear to work through the CCR5-rantespathway. It’s not psychosomatic for everyone. Cytokine panels don’t lie!
Exactly my thoughts too Was just reading the past hour on the Mikovits assertions on the XMRV retro viruses and the CFS-ME or some like to say ME-CFS link
I had Covid 3 weeks ago: exhausted, chills, sore joints, 102 degree fever. Tested positive (for what that’s worth.) took 60 mg of ivermectin, zinc, 400 mg of hydroxychloroquine, more D3, NAC, lots of vitamin C. Fever and all symptoms were gone in 36 hours. Then I lost my sense of taste and smell. Continued with seriously reduced ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine (and always zinc and vitamins. Smell and taste came back all the way one eeek later.... that was my long covid. They should have interviewed me :)
Yes! some people have to have the latest medical symptoms in order to impress their friends even if self-diagnosed. There is no test for stupid at the present, there should be.
Many years ago I stumbled upon a few minutes of a Ted Nugent NRA interview.(I have no strong opinions on either) He was asked, "Do you believe stupid people should be heard?" His priceless answer, " I BELIEVE THE STUPID PEOPLE SHOULD BE HEARD SO THEN WE KNOW WHO THE STUPID PEOPLE ARE!"
Yep, by no means should a patient go into the doctor demanding to try something they know shit about. I did that once with an inhaler, well Advair. My doctor put me in my place! Still go to his house on occasions, but now I know I'm not a medical professional.
Long COVID is very real and can be diagnosed with a cytokine panel. The treatment changed my life within 2 weeks. Long COVID is not a mystery. We have excellent papers published in Frontiers in Medicine regarding the retained spike protein within “immortal” monocytes that create a perpetual vascular inflammatory process. This process affects the autonomic nervous system and creates a POTS type syndrome, inflames the vasculature of the brain causing tremendous cognitive issues, while also causing inflammation of the heart particularly with interleukin 8. The most interesting thing is that the research found that much of Long COVID is vaccine induced and not infection induced likely due to the exponentially higher amount of spike protein in the blood after vaccination. I was in a debilitated state until two weeks after treatment with Maraviroc, statins, and blood thinners. I’m almost completely back to normal. Please don’t make jokes about this. It is very real for an estimated 30%. It is particularly worse after delta and omicron, especially adolescents. Though some quack doctors are using is as an opportunity to cash in, many docs are doing good work and treating the MOA and not just putting bandaids on symptoms. I just wish the bulk of medical professionals would keep up with current information instead of acting like these are psychosomatic complaints. Read the articles by Bruce Patterson et al. Hope this helps someone.
Well, it’s caused by the spike and the vaccine produces exponentially more spike in the blood with each injection than the virus ever will. I unfortunately had severe LC and am not vaccinated.
Look LHappy, I truly want you to be healthy and you seem like a smart guy but you don't include the fact that papers conclude the symptoms "might" be vaccine related until deep into your comment and well after you wrote "Long covid is real..." It's very hard to keep hearing the sweaty desperate attempts by many people to try to hide phrases like "Vaccine induced" or "vaccine side effects" or "the Covid vaccines are an abject failure" or "Fake vaccines for a bullshit flu that has been played up for dark reasons", and it sounds disingenuous, but maybe isn't on your part, to try to slap the label "Long covid" on your symptoms. Btw, my sense of today's comments (could be wrong) is there seems to be more than a normal amount of posters carrying water for Covid hysterics. Usually this substack is an oasis.
I think that would be the question for this person. She apparently had Covid 7 months before her first doctor’s visit for Long Covid in July 2021. So, did she get vaccinated after she had Covid and now has these symptoms?
I know someone who claims to have Long Covid bc she has had Covid three times now and can't shake it...double vaxed and double boosted. And so is her husband, three kids, her parents, her in-laws, everybody, etc. Her mother has Lupus and she is beginning to develop symptoms of it, but hasn't been diagnosed yet. I didn't have the heart to tell her I wasn't vaxxed and felt great. 😢
Why do they keep pushing this long Covid? I have never met anyone in real life who has even mentioned it. It seems to be a disease that exists solely in the imagination of journalists.
They push long COVID to try to blame COVID for the side effects of the vaccine. The vaccinated will all get COVID (because the vaccines don’t prevent), and so they will blame COVID, not the vaccine, for the adverse effects. It’s their pivot once they got caught.
A dear friend of ours had a very serious case of Covid. 4 months in hospital, intubated twice, etc. He is still recovering (a year later) and his partner says its long Covid. I think it was the 2 vaccines he received in the hospital while fighting it. She demanded he be vaxxed. (of course she has also accused us of attempted murder because he got it from us before we knew we had been exposed, so...)
He received the vaxxes while fighting covid??
YES. In the hospital. While in ICU.
That is a clear case of malpractice! You never vaccinate the unhealthy for anything! Good heavens!
I thought so too.
criminal
I'm willing to bet this person is elderly and/or obese. We're not talking about a 22 year old marine in good shape, are we?. We're not talking about someone that was going to the Olympics, right? I highly doubt that this person is sick with long covid. He might have had covid at the outset but at this point, he's got a weak, frail, and or obese body with a lot of ailments and it's blamed on covid. Typical
Tons of co-morbidities. 60 years old, grossly overweight, pre-diabetic, former smoker, alcoholic, cancer survivor. he definitely had covid, and waited too long to go to the hospital. but I wonder if he's vaxx injured.
While I have compassion for such a person, he's not healthy from the get-go. There are too many deaths of people in very bad health that just happen to test positive for covid-19 and yet, their deaths are attributed to not just dying WITH but dying FROM covid-19. This is what makes up the one million Americans that died "OF" covid. We're talking about people that are on average, 80 years old, 3-4 comorbidities, obese, and quite often diabetic. This is the untold story of covid that it's only a minor risk to the vast majority of Americans and is possibly a contributing factor to death among people that are grossly unhealthy and have very little time left.
Agree. To be perfectly honest I am surprised he survived Covid. He's the only person I know of who was ventilated and put in a coma twice. But on the bright side, he's losing tons of weight and taking care of himself - he heeded that warning.
I had 2-3 months of fatigue after I got better (my corona was less than a cold). Finally the fatigue went away, but I would get winded with the tiniest of inclines. It wasn't my imagination, and it certainly doesn't mean I believe in lockdowns, shots, masks, mandates, and all the rest of the lies.
Agreed. Unvaccinated old guy in very good (maybe great) shape, and Covid sucked at 59. I do not want a "shot" to fix my lifestyle. I have a Special Needs Son, and I work VERY hard at making us healthy. Thank you wifey for all the research. It took a full 3 weeks to get back to normal. Not complaining, just acknowledging that Covid and Life is/are complicated.
My wife and I had Covid the week before Thanksgiving, and after recovery we both experienced the fatigue you mention, along with occasional "brain-fog"; i.e. a difficulty getting our minds to maintain focus. After a few months, it all subsided. I can't remember the last time I had those symptoms.
I have not had Covid but have fatigue and brain fog and muscle soreness. Why does everyone assume it is the covid that is causes this? Inactivity causes this. I feel like this after every single extended holiday period that is spent in the house.
Because if you have covid and feel like crap then feel like crap for months after, it's not like Christmas burnout.
I haven’t had Covid but have felt like crap for most of the past two years. Especially a year and a half ago after being inside for 6 months.
Thinking people need to remember this was more likely than not a lab created BW with some strange nuances tied in during the tinkering process. Who knows the what exact cell lines the BW was run thru and what was exactly tagged within
Agree. I think it may be the virus’ spike proteins that linger in the body after infection. There are detox protocols that help clear the spikes, whether they are from the virus or the jab. Being an engineered virus is probably why the toxic spikes remain long term- to max vascular damage.
👍 think you hit it on the head. This lab created BW is a mishmash of many things and no one, including the creators, have satisfactory answers for what’s coming = the gift that keeps on giving😱
6 months later?
Yes, everything was closed for at least 3 months but most of my schools have yet to have the classes I teach held in person. It was 6 months since the end of the semester here in Japan and my first need to go on campus, and that was for training on how to use Zoom for their classes. So for 6 months, at home all day every day. Did walk my son to school and back once his classes started, 3 months late. Went from daily commute carrying all my stuff to next to zero physical activity and endless on screen work with out a break fo 6 months. One trip into school after 6 months followed by months, now years of monotony of working online from home with the occasional commute, now once a week.
Hotels and tourist site are opening back up but many require proof of three shots of the vaccine, daily temperature record, constant hand sanitizing, social distancing and, of course the masks. Indoors, outdoors, vaxxed or unvacced, no matter. No cheering at sports events. No laughing at last week’s filming of a comedy TV show we got to be in the studio audience for.
Brain fog and all the rest of this might be caused by “long covid”, but long term isolation in small rooms causes this too. That is why isolation is used for punishment of prisoners who break prison rules. That is why those in solitary confinement are given time out of the cell to walk and stretch. The problems associated with this have long been known. Yet, now that we have big bad scary stuff that requires us to live as prisoners in the gilded cages of our own homes, cut off from personal interaction with anyone out side the home for years, it can’t be the over reaction to the disease cause these symptoms, it must be the diseases and we must continue living as prisoners until the symptoms go away. I say “No”.
Check your vit D levels. Best to be at least 50 or higher
I prefer to treat the disease and not the symptom. All this madness needs to stop.
There is truth to that - after experiencing all of the above symptoms on a regular basis, I’ve started doing mild stretching exercises in the morning, and walking the dogs about a mile a day, and have felt relatively normal since I started
When I am able to go into town or, as last week go out for a day, it mostly clears up. I bought a bike at the end of 2020 and feel much better when I get to go for a ride, but a hand full of times a month is no substitution for the daily walking and stair climbing of the commute. Nor is staring at screens ALL day with next to zero breaks. I do not have a “smart” phone, so have never been one of those phone zombies that have taken over the world. The breaks provided by my commuting between work sites was more valuable than I realized.
I'm glad yours also cleared up after a few months.
My aunt waited way too long to be treated. When she made it to the hospital she almost died. It took 10 days to get her back on her feet, and then she needed oxygen for another couple of months. Little by little it went better and now she seems to be totally healed. The doc told her there was permanent damage on her lungs though, and that she might indeed be tired easily. If that is long covid she has it. But there was no test needed to find her ill, she almost died!
I'm glad she's over it now and that visiting the hospital helped her get better. Some people were definitely hard hit.
and some people didn't get help at the hospital when they did go
I had these symptoms (and more) while going through and after chemo. Eventually they all went away.
I'd also like to add that when I would ask how long my feet would hurt or I would have chemo brain, etc., my oncologist and his staff were quick to acknowledge my symptoms. They were also quick to reassure me that the symptoms would gradually go away and not to be alarmed. That helped a lot with my mindset on the horrors of the cancer treatment experience.
Maybe some of these folks with "long covid" should be hearing the same kind of message?
Thanks for mentioning the brain fog, I knew about the depression associated with Covid (it was awful), but do suffer these brain fogs periodically, I thought they might be TIAs
I too have been having brain fog but have not had covid. Now that some things are kinda sorta back to normal, well we can go on hikes anyway, going for a walk in the fresh air clears it up for a while. The longer out and about, the more effective.
So true! I do a few at stretching exercises every morning and take the dogs for a .8 of a mile walk every day and haven’t had brain fog for a week! Interactions with real people helps, too - We’ve all experienced way too much solitude in the past 2 1/2 years
My sister probably had it the original go round. She had very similar symptoms, specifically fatigue, off and on, for 6 months. She's fine now. I'm starting week 3 after Covid. I got a terrible sinus infection and am struggling with brain fog and fatigue. But, overall, still glad I didn't do the shot. My 10yo was better in 36 hours, she was sicker with the flu a few years ago.
I hope you soon recover completely.
Try taking some extra B1 like Benfothiamine or TTFD. If you take it longer than a month take a B complex with it.
The B complex on its own may be enough to help you!
I have not had covid but have fatigue, get winded climbing stairs in my home, have muscle soreness. Two plus years of enforced inactivity will cause this and more. As those who got covid and those who got the faccine also have been forced into long terms of physical and mental inactivity, and that I have yet to see a study ruling out lockdowns as a cause, I remain highly skeptical that covid is the cause.
I didn't stop exercising all through the pandemic - if anything I exercised more as it was obvious it was important to stay fit to beat it. Walking, cycling, swimming, home aerobics, strength training etc. I got Covid in January and it was definitely the virus that caused my fatigue which lasted a couple of weeks. No biggy I have had post viral fatigue before but the fatigue is very different to how you would feel from physical inactivity.
Should add, switching to all on line classes, I have been chained to my computer setting everything up and then running everything. My level of physical activity is the lowest it has ever been, for over 2 years now.
Come on, you cant be working ALL the time. Whats to stop you going for a walk at lunchtime and in the evening? Or a bike ride? There are a million online exercise classes to choose from if the weather is awful.
Yes, I am working, or was working all the time. One of the realities of working from home is that the boundary between work and home time has long since been erased. First, was the long hours trying to figure out how to conduct class on line for each of my then 8 employers, each with different, constantly changing requirements. Deadlines change constantly as various employers tried to figure out what, if anything, they needed to change. Working hours quickly became 8 am to 1 or 2 am. Eating meals, except dinner over my keyboard. Worse for my wife.
For you, perhaps, but have any of the studies you have seen ruled this out?
I stayed in recently for two days because I thought I was getting sick and ended up with horrible achiness from inactivity, which subsided once I got back outside.
You raise a good point. Some people may have stayed home too long. In my case I didn't know I had it (January 2020) and I was traveling so I never stayed in. And no one caught it either, so I suspect the transmissibility. (I went to an island with zero cases and the first case was 6 weeks later when a sick family arrived.) I also think the fear made people WAY more susceptible than we will ever know. Even my doctors (one quit just as the vax came out) agreed.
Yes, mental state plays a role and as you say, probably more than we will ever know. Especially as it would put more blame on those who forced all this upon us.
BTW, many are STILL staying home. My wife has been in to the office only 3 times since early 2020. Myself, I used to go into Tokyo 5 days a week. I have been changing between 3 days, to days, once a week and once a month during the same period. Down to once a week again after this week. When summer hits, once a month again.
I've been working normally in the office since may 2020 and flown over 100 times. No covid. No vaccine. Feel in great shape and raised my vit d from 28 to 75
Not all of us are or were able to do that. While lockdowns were never mandated, everything was closed for three months, so there was no where to go and nothing to do, if one had the time away form online work. Once things did I open back up, they operated under reduced opening hours and reduced occupancy. May 2020 a city renowned for its tulip fields cut all the flowers off to prevent drawing people to their town.
This year, the occupancy cap for large events was lifted, yet the ball park we went to was far from full with seats kept empty between groups of fans. Signs posted everywhere reminded one and all to keep our masks on, I did not, and no cheering. This being my son’s first game and my first in over 20 years, I stood up to cheer when our team got a hit. An usher quickly ran down and told me to sit down and shut up and put a mask on. What the hell is the point of watching a game at the ball park when you must do your best impersonation of a statue? All festivals have been cancelled for two years. A few, very few have been held this Spring. They required proof of 3 shots of the faccine or three days of negative PCR teats and of course, masks to participate. Not 100% sure on this, but am reasonably sure that no shouting is allowed. Check YouTube for Japanese Matsuri for how they were done pre panic and imagine the same with masks and in silence. My kid is in his 3 yeard year of elementary school with “Mokushoku”, eating in silence. Wears his mask 10 hours a day…the same single mask for the whole day. Recently, a large number of school shield ran from the same school were transported to hospital by ambulance for practicing for theirs sports day festival, running races, in masks. There is nothing at all sane where I live, Japan. I am currently at a school, my students taking their final exam. This is my last day here for the entire calendar year. I have one remaining school that is currently holding in person lessons. My other schools, a med school and a nursing school, are both all online. This is the thirds school year they have been all on line for. I have med students who believe they must wear masks in their own homes for zoom lessons. In fact, one of my schools demanded that I wear a mask for their online lessons. I said “No.” and was given special permission not to wear a masks for online lessons. All other teachers do, or so I am told.
Those of you who are free of this madness, I am thankful for you. There is hope for humanity yet, little though it may be.
You're so right about the blame.
I think a subset, very small percentage, develop long term measurable issues from covid. I do not have long covid. In fact, I was making fun of still feeling awful to my brother-in-law last night. But, Covid has been different from any virus I've had. It has wiped me out and is taking longer to recover from.
From another post it sounds like you are in Japan. Most of America has been open and active for at least a year. So, unless you are in certain states, you didn't have to sit inside and do nothing for 2 years unless you wanted to. I was more fit during and after the pandemic than before because I prioritized exercise for my mental health. But, I also agree that many did not do that and this woman in the article sounds like anxiety.
Viruses are weird, even the ones that aren't man-made. My daughter caught a cold from her classmate in 2017. The classmate was fine and my daughter ended up in the hospital for 3 days with a "virus of unknown origin." She's 10 and she isn't the same. What happened to her is rare, very rare, but it isn't unknown the pediatric hospital said they treat about 3 a year. So, I discount nothing with viruses because my experience shows they are nasty and can do long term damage.
Yes, I have run in to that wall myself. A couple of time over the past week, in fact…..without getting covid. 2 years ago it was a joke, “What is today’s date, anyway?” “I think it is April 65th.” Long before long covid and the vaccines there were many reports and articles describing how and why people were mentally confused and foggy. Then of course we had all the memes of how everyone was looking without shaving or doing their hair for a couple of months followed by those of people trying to fit into their prepanic clothes. Am I the only one here who remembers these?
I know what you mean Anne; it was so sudden the way it hit. I set off walking my dogs and literally halfway through the walk it hit me and it was exhausting making it home, had to keep stopping. The fatigue reminded me of the fatigue I had with glandular fever so yes, this can happen with viruses.
my husband could barely make it the block to the stop sign and back. it was terrible. The fatigue did hit us both hard. I think I bounced back more quickly because I started at a more healthy point. This should be a wakeup call to us all regarding our health.
I had covid 2021 and lost my hair in clumps for over 6 months after. My bloodwork indicated high levels of inflammation. I started IV post viral treatments as well as some supplements and my symptoms resolved.
That's horrible. I'm glad you found treatment for it in this age of withholding effective help and that it all resolved.
I had to fire my then “western” med doctor and hire a concierge functional med dr to get treatment.
I am not vaxxed and my old Dr would only push the vax as a treatment.
My post covid symptoms were more frustrating than my actual covid symptoms
Good strategy! I'll remember this, especially as they finally opened the concierge medical facility in the mall today.
Same here. Made house hunting and moving extra special. ;)
It’s a cover for shot related diseases and injuries
Just like the new designation in a story today about a woman passing in her sleep at 31. Sudden Adult Death Syndrome (SADS)
And SIDS (infants) probably vax caused also.
That's a good deduction! I don't hear about SIDS anymore, though, like I did in the 80s and 90s. Did they find a prevention, having infants sleep supine instead of prone?
They discuss health issues only to the extent they can weaponize them, propagandize them, or gaslight us about them. Otherwise, it’s only death and suffering for, as Hariri says, “the useless class”.
Get ready. The voodoo vaxers want to jab 2-year-olds.
right! So why not add the adult classification now. All designed to seduce the sheep into a perpetual fear mindset. Susceptible minds that is
I've seent that term popping up on Twitter. Has "science" actually declared that a thing????
It's out there as a designated acronym yes
It turns out Hinda is double-vaxxed with Moderna, according to another story aired on Cincinnatti TV. Hinda did the rounds on MSM!
Next stop: Dr. Phil?
Same old playbook. Take a half truth, because I'm sure it's real for some, and exaggerate it to support the narrative.
I’m not sure that is true. People who have had neither the shot nor covid have the same. All three groups have been under various degrees of lockdowns for extended periods of time and extended periods of in activity has long been known to cause the same set of symptoms. I think it is cover for their idiotic lockdown policies.
Deconditioning and mental well-being are certainly a challenge for all of society. Good thing we actually have tests that validate the symptoms as actual LC vs other issues
But testing positive for covid while having these symptoms merely finds a correlation, not causation. What’s is being done to rule out long term inactivity?
I used to teach 7 hours of class two days a week with long periods on the train between classes and 3 to 5 hours the remain days of the work week. Generally, I took the stairs instead of speculators or elevators and choose to stand on the train for the minimum 2 hours a day commute. After 6 months of inactivity, the first time into work complete exhausted me. I knew it would be more tiring than usual, but I was falling asleep at the dinner table at 7pm. I usually go to bed after midnight. I was shocked at how much my energy level, physical strength, mental acuity, stamina, etc had changed for the worse in that time. The nest day, I emailed some coworkers to warn them to be prepared to be knocked flat the first time in to work. One had already gone it and had the same experience.
Suddenly stop all you physical activity and sit in front of a keyboard for 6 months and then try to jump back in the saddle. It is devastating. More for some than others, as is always the case, but this alone will knock most flat.
Once the hiking trails opened back up and hiking events resumed, we have done as many as we can. Not as bad as a year ago, but the extra body weight gained from this enforced unhealthy lifestyle and the still greatly reduced physical activity level and all day staring at a computer screen adding the anxiety of massive losses in income, I bet I could go into just about any doctors office and be diagnosed with Long Covid.
If you are positive for Covid and you are coughing and having trouble breathing which continues and as soon as the acute infection resolves you are in actual heart failure, you have high blood pressure, you have abnormal pulmonary function tests, you have evidence of cardiac inflammation on testing - and you are not getting better - I don't think that is just inactivity. For some patients, there is definite abnormal testing that shows it is something other than just having sat home too long. I also had written something earlier today about the micro-clots as one of the possible mechanisms of action for the long term pulimonary problems some experience, but I don't see where that is right now, and I'm not going to try to re-explain it. But I have patients who have had hard evidence of heart and lung damage after Covid, with impairment in their ability to do their previous jobs, and others with a messed up immune system after Covid. No, it's not everyone, but it is definitely real.
I suspect is real as it is real with other diseases. I doubt, however, that all reported cases of long covid are from covid. We know that not all covid deaths are deaths caused by covid, thus, it must be expected to be the case for long covid.
That said, for all of my adult life and probably longer, we have been told of the multiple health risks of a sedentary lifestyle. How does the risk of this just go away when such a lifestyle is mandated?
It IS "Long Covid," so to speak, but you didn't have to be infected to be affected!
That is perhaps the truest statement yet! They have changed the definition of “case” and even “vaccine”, so why not just include vaccine injuries and the effects of long term isolation and or confinement within the definition of “long covid”?
You should take the IncellKINE test. If it’s negative, it’s not LC. LC does not correlate with severity of COVID symptoms and can occur in mildly symptomatic people who aren’t aware of COVID infection/after vaccination. LC is not a diagnosis of exclusion now that we have options to test and more research everyday. However, many doctors treat it as such and misdiagnose because they haven’t taken the time to read and try new things. Could be reactivated Lyme, EBV, ME/CFS, etc. you have to do what’s best for you. Fatigue isn’t the only symptom typically of LC; usually a myriad.
fatigue is not the only symptom I have. I also have insomnia, but this is a long recurring event that predates the panic, though it does have a different quality to it. Mental fogginess, low stamina, listlessness and anxiety also compete for prominence among my symptoms. Most of these have improved significantly once I was able to get put more. Cycling once a week during the winter break helped as does hiking. The change after a day of hiking in the sun is almost as profound as the change I observed of six months indoors. Forcing myself to take the stairs and to stand on the train when all my muscles hurts has also paid off. But these gains are short lived as work and home responsibilities bring back to the keyboard. With life experience added to the above, I am certain inactivity plays by far the greatest role for myself. Six month deployments in the engine room of a naval vessel render similar results, though. was much younger then and we had breaks in the monotony, not all fun but all very exciting.
See my comment above. It is a vaccine injury, however, many of us do not fall into that category.
Can you say "disability payments?"
RioRosie - to get government disability benefits, you have to be unable to work for a full two years, so if you get Covid and you just don'[t want to go back to work, it's going to be minimum two years before anyone gets a check, but for people with true, serious disabilities, I have seen it take four years or longer - so you would no income for all that time. Things are very backed up now due to Covid, I know people - not Covid patients, but others with various disabilities - who have waited years for their hearing. The Covid patients I know are hard workers who would much prefer to go back to their old jobs if they were able. One of my patients had long Covid and was out of work for a year but was able to live in the home of a relative which helped because he didn't have to pay rent which he couldn't have, and finally went back to work, which he wanted to, he couldn't do his old job and had to get something lesser, but he did finally go back to work - he had some of the meds recommended by the FLCCC at FLCCC.net - but he also still has heart / lung damage and can only do sedentary work now and not what he used to do. One of my patients with long Covid is a co-owneer of a small business, and I don't know if she is currently able to work or not, she kept trying to work, and was motivated to work because it was her business, but she was very unwell, and now she's getting treatment from some kind of alternative practitioner since the FLCCC meds and the Patterson meds didn't work out well for her. It's no picnic living on disability as it never fully replaces your income. When homeowners with professional jobs become disabled IF they are in the position of living on government benefits, they won't be able to make their house payments etc. The benefits are not huge, it's subsistence and it's not something that most people would want particularly if they are accustomed to working and having the normal things that one can buy - and then to have a fixed income that is much less than your former lifestyle - it's a safety net for people who need it, so that hopefully they can eat and have a roof over their head. It varies according to how long they have worked and how much they have already paid in to Social Security, but it's not generally like, oh, goodie, I don't have to work anymore, I can go live at the beach and have fun every day - I have patients who are disabled, who would rather be working. Who liked being productive, who liked their jobs, and liked their income. WHo are trying to get well. Actually, while I do have long Covid patients who became unable to work, NONE of my long Covid patients have every collected one cent of disability benefits. They have not yet been disabled long enough, and they do not have private disability insurance. I have other patients who are on disability, but none of my long Covid patients. So, I don't think it's for the money.
Yes, indeed: there are people who legitimately claim and deserve disability. And yes, it's supposed to be a bare minimum to survive, and not a payment that is immediately available. It's a long, tortured process.
BUT....
There are--and will be--scammers who will take advantage of covid.
Disability also opens the door to other "goodies" from the federal & state benefit buffet: food stamps, subsidized housing, fuel assistance (for heating & cooling).
Among the most egregious examples of which I am aware is a 60-year-old woman who has NEVER worked. She graduated from high school, hung out at home for years. In order to get her out of the house, her upper-middle-class parents hired a lawyer to file her disability claim of "developmentally challenged." (She's not. She's lazy & a spoiled brat.)
She has, for almost 40 years, been living in "affordable housing" apartment, she receives food stamps, Medicaid, reduced-price cable TV, a reduced-priced cellphone, and subsidized utilities.
Her family periodically gives her money for "extras." But living off the government is much less than her family would've paid---and could afford. (BTW, this woman also received the "stimulus" checks.)
Of course this is an extreme case. But I don't think it's isolated. With the government attitude about covid, I wonder how rigorously it will oppose claims based on supposed covid-based health problems.
Why do we push IBS? Fibromyalgia? All equally imaginary diseases.
Only one answer $$$
Fibromyalgia, chronic Lyme disease, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome etc also appear to work through the CCR5-Rantes pathway just like long COVID. Those patients are also responding very well to Maraviroc. It’s not imaginary. I am a very athletic, healthy physician until Long COVID was ruining my life. All better now after treatment. Ready to play tennis again. I kept getting more and more debilitated. I am unvaxed. I thought the same thing until it happened to me. Doctors are idiots these days so I had to be my own advocate. See my comment above.
You lost me at I’ma physician. Sorry
I cannot trust your Ilk anymore and am willing to take my chances.
I don’t blame you, but no one owns me😁
This perhaps one of the goals of all this, to make most people distrust doctors. I for one will not trust any wearing a mask against Covid.
"I cannot trust your ilk..." It appears you were directing this to LHappy, I think, but it's sad that you have decided that all physicians are ____ idiots? Criminals? Fill in the blank. While government officials at the CDC, FDA and NIH actually were a huge part of the problem - NIH in helping to create the virus in the first place, FDA giving us the clot shot, and CDC rehashing the WHO's bad advice they got from Communist China - and all the while, many of them making tons of money off their pharma patents - there were OTHER physicians who treated Covid often keeping people out of the hospital who were NOT profiting, who did the best we could trying to figure which research was fraudulent and which valid, and how to help patients - but to you, we are all alike. Good to know. Next time your name shows up in a thread, I will make sure not to read or respond since I am also one of the ones you don't like. In many professions, we recognize there are some good, some bad, not everyone is the same, but if all physicians are not worth listening to - good. I have better things to do than get into these conversations anyway.
Do you know how brave and difficult it is just for physicians to refuse the vax as this gentleman has?! When we take out our righteous anger on the wrong person, it's abusive. Please stop.
All of you are indoctrinated. You only think what you’re told to think and the telling is done by pharma. I’ll take my chances and if that means maybe living a few years less (unlikely) so be it
Not all of us. I’ve never followed group think. Plenty of good docs still out there. Don’t lose hope
Well, Thank you. I genuinely appreciate your response.
I appreciate the opportunity to have a dialogue without judgement. 😁
What's the series of tests that can identify this? I recall Patterson was working on this and found a bunch of S1 spikes in "long COVID" people long after active infection had passed.
I do think they're also lumping vax injury into the "long COVID" bucket, just to skate away from vax damage responsibility.
Vaccine = COVID - spike gonna spike.
ALT: a toxin by any other mechanism doth hurt as bad.
Yep! I think that was their plan all along. Blame the man made virus for everything, right?! The test is IncellKINE. They can also do an immune subset test to see how the level of reprogrammed monocytes with “trapped” S1 are responding to therapy. Go to Covidlonghaulers.com and in the drop down you can go to resources to watch quick explaination of the findings. My daughter is 13 and a competitive tennis player, also unvaxed, she was getting worse and worse 8 months after Covid. Severe fatigue, plummeting grades( normally As. Resting heart rate in 130s, low blood pressure. She responded extremely fast to treatment. Unusual that we both have it. Apparently worse in athletes. LC is Very present after vaccine. Read the studies and the supplements. The pre-print coming out about CCR5-rantes has some beautiful graphics regarding improvement with Maraviroc. There is a link with CFS, reactivated EBV, reactivated Lyme. The afore mentioned videos will shed light on that. Happy reading.
I don't blame the group here for being cynical about Pharma, especially after the "safe & effective" gaslighting operation. Here's Patterson's paper, for anyone who wants to look at his evidence. [Do people still look at evidence?]
https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-1344323/v1.
I'm guessing there are probably non-pharma treatments that can work also - assuming they can use the same mechanisms. Though I'm not a doctor, so - don't be taking medical advice from me! :)
Here is the pre-print. Great graphics based on multiple scales of symtomatology relating to cognition, heart, respiratory, dysautonomia ( POTS AS RECERENCED ON Alex’s article when the doctor did a tilt table test, which is appropriate by the way) https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.02.20084673v1.full-text
Thanks for the link. Here is the other paper https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fimmu.2021.746021/full
Well, for one of my patients who had long Covid, she did have a consultation with Patterson who recommended about $500 worth of tests that were not covered by insurance, and he recommended some meds that in her case did not help - they may have helped many, but didn't help her, so now she has someone else who is helping her but I don't know her current status. But yes, for those who have long Covid, one possibility is to go to Patternson's website, get the lab work, get a consultation - I think he helps some people. This is not one size fits all, and long Covid is a new thing where there is not yet certainty about how to treat. At FLCCC.net there are protocols that are useful for some depending on what the symptoms are. I don't think the labs are to "prove" whether or not you have long Covid, it just helps to guide treatment if you have long Covid - and you would mostly likely know if you had long Covid by having had a positive test, having had Covid, and then still having persistent symptoms, so I don't think there is any "test" necessary except to help guide treatment.
I agree that the shots probably did whatever damage she has suffered.
How long was your period of forced inactivity? If you were under lockdown for an extended period of time, how did you rule out that as being the cause of your symptoms? I suffered “long covid” long before it was given a name, before getting vaxxed and I have not had covid. I have, however, been under various degrees lockdown now, for well over two years.
I was never locked down. I live in a free state. No masks. Tennis, Regular BBQs. School as usual. Did you get your T cells tested ( T-detect) to see if you e had it but been asymptomatic?
I had a blood test about a years ago but was told that it would only show positive if I had been infected about a month prior to the test.
However, long term inactivity has long been known to produce the same symptoms. I have experienced similar after much shorter periods of time, why would months, now years of enforced inactivity be discounted out of hand? It needs to be looked into. I bet it is the cause of many, if not most, perhaps not all “long covid” cases. As said by perhaps you, if not, by another in this post, this symptoms are also common with other viral infections. None of this is new.
Barcode, How do you know they are imaginery? You should be thanking God you don't have to live with one of these diagnoses.
There is research showing that you can take a healthy "normal" person and produce fibromyalgia symptoms in that person by interrupting their sleep at a particular stage - and there is also other research showing that people who have fibromyalgia have a sleep disorder involving that same sleep stage.
There is also a lot of research related to low magnesium levels in the cells, that the magnesium is not getting into the cells properly. I used to take a magnesium / malic acid supplement which helped but the one that I used became unavailable perhaps because there was NOT enough money in it. Flexeril is a muscle relaxer that has helped some people with fibromyalgia however, it went off patent decades ago, and is no longer manufactured - because there was NO money in it. The generic subsitute, which does not work as well, can be gotten for about $4. I would say actually, that it is not the money that leads to diagnosis and treatment of fibromyalgia but rather the lack of money leads patients NOT to be diagnosed and NOT to be adequately treated - there are no expensive meds to treat fibromyalgia, so no pharma companies sending out teams to teach doctors how to diagnose it and how to treat.
There is research on physical aspects like how magnesium is utilized in the cells, whether sufficient oxygen is being utilized in the cells, the sleep cycles, etc. but - there's more money in cancer resaerch etc. and in some cases - who cares about a woman's quality life anyway? A much higher percentage of fibro cases are female, and easy for anyone to say it is imaginery if you don't have it yourself.
When I was in medical school, fibromyalgia was not taught whatsoever, was not in the text books, but I had one patient with fibromyalgia during residency where I learned about it. I later developed fibromyalgia after an injury and became aware that it is apparently the most common outpatient rheumatological condition - but most doctors don't know much about treatment. People think it is a trivial illness, but that is only people who do not have it who think that.
Because this is NOT where the money is, and not where the grants are for the most part, and it's a predominantly female illness that male researchers may not find interesting - I certainly admit that the current research is not perfect, and I have not read all of it. The things that helped me the most are things that were usually not covered by insurance, such as physical therapy, underwater exercise, massage therapy, accupuncture etc. IF there were some hugely expensive drug for this that pharma could make money on, I would know about it, but there isn't. Nobody but nobody is getting rich taking care of fibromyalgia patients.
I work hard in my profession, I take care of my family, I don't whine about fibromyalgia, but I do find it distressing for people who apparently know nothing about it to say it is imaginery. If I haven't experienced it, it must be imaginery? The other thing is, maybe there are physicians who misdiagnose - they have a patient, they don't know what it is, so - must be fibro, there it is. And maybe it's not fibro at all. Maybe you know someone who does have it in their imagination. But since I do have it, I have a lot of experience with it, and have taken the time and trouble to coach my patients on how to take care of their fibro, and voilia, they do much better. Oh, when you work in your garden for 15 minutes, you have so much pain you can't get out of bed for two days? Okay, but you can work in the garden for 5 minutes? Okay, so just increase the exercise by one minute at a time - if you can do 5 minutes, maybe you can do 6 (etc.), building up exercise tolerance very gradually. Or - things like moist heat, stretches, ice if you overdo it, sometimes physical therapy if the physical therapist knows what they are doing. If you have lived with it long enough and have tried everything, there are things that can be done to help manage this disorder and be able to do more of what they need / want to do.
Acronyms work. The Pharm companies learned early on the sheep want a label so they developed slick marketing and voila!
WHY? You know why. The same reason as always.
There is short Covid. When I had it, it lasted right at, 4 days. And the worst part about it when I had it is I had the strangest taste in my mouth. I mean it was flat out alien!!!
I don’t doubt there are even some people with some longer period deleterious effects from a really bad case of Covid. Like any serious illness that can create havoc in your body. But they exaggerate the amount of long covid and have been gaslighting people to think that even asymptomatic covid causes long covid. That was an attempt to scare people into taking the shot. Now I am convinced they use it as cover.
I couldn’t agree more with you my friend!!
I wonder if there is an intermediate Covid :)
Ha! Varying Length or what I had (unvaccinated) Kinda Short, Kinda Quick, Good Luck Covid
lol
Lol. Love it
Lol 😆 INTERMEDIATE COVID!!!! Lol 😝 I would like to know who came up with the name Covid??? and why did they settle on that mean??? I’m going to have to do some research because I hate to ask a question that I don’t already know the answer too. 😊
How about extra-long Covid...
ULTRA Covid
Yes!
Lol. Ok. Ya got me. How much, extra—long? Longer are we talking about?? 2–weeks?
4-weeks 6-weeks or more??
let's ask Fauci :)
I think the WHO named it Co for corona vi for virus or viral, d for disease, the 19 was for 2019. Covid 19. The name of the disease and the name of the actual virus are different, and it tells about it here - https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/technical-guidance/naming-the-coronavirus-disease-(covid-2019)-and-the-virus-that-causes-it
Brogan12 for the #InternetWin ! :)
R u vaxxed ? or not vaxxed ?
Hell no!! No way in hell will I ever be. Me and my wife know a-lot of folks here in Wyoming and North Dakota & Montana. And not 1 of them got vaxxed. All of them feel the same when it comes to that issue. And many other issues.
The same reason Fauci & Friends were looking to get as many people to take the bogus PCR-based AIDS test (which wasn't an AIDS test and was not even an HIV test): so they could declare lots of cases and justify unleashing a formerly banned carcinogenic and mutagenic drug (AZT) on millions. This film explains it all and how it connect with the CoVid Con https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wy3frBacd2k&feature=emb_logo
Talk about history repeating itself and it did...
There is a special place in hell… Thank you.
To scare us into getting vaccinated.
Too late. Anyone who's not now vaxed probably won't be.
Ok, then the motive might be to counter those who vaxed but are now feeling like fools.
And then there is stuff like this: https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2022/02/covid-anti-vaccine-smoking/622819/
what a piece of trash
Don't even get me started on that Atlantic piece. The psychosis runs deep! :)
I agree with James, Gwen and Brogan: According to the Atlantic's piece of trash by Benjamin Mazer: "The COVID vaccines are, without exaggeration, among the safest and most effective therapies in all of modern medicine.
Oh Benjamin, your ignorance is now a hallmark of your exaggeration.
I must admit I read that line and could not finish the article. My “well-educated” friends read The Atlantic and think they are well informed😱 Such lies!!
Is this a real quote?? Does he really write "without exaggeration" and "All of modern medicine"?? I can't even glance at Atlantic, let alone read it, so if this is a real quote please answer in these comments cuz Im in shock at how blatant their lies continue to be despite 2 years of contrary evidence blasting like a T-Shirt gun. I'd love to know how they're getting paid to spew this dark nonsense.
Yes, it is authentic. It's in the first 338 words, not long after this offer--"Enjoy a year of unlimited access to The Atlantic......"
The Atlantic has decided who its audience is and is DETERMINED to write exactly what they want to hear (and presumably "enjoy.")
And now it is documented to live forever on the www. 😂
Look.
Are there some people who have persistent problems after contracting Covid? - Yes
Is this labeled "Long Covid"? - Yes
Are the symptoms and the experience real? - Yes
Is "Long Covid" over diagnosed? - Yes
I have read far too many stories (many in this post) of people who had persistent symptoms of fatigue and other things after a bout with Covid to not believe that something goes on with some people's bodies in response to an infection with Covid.
It is also the case that it is over diagnosed and attributed by Doctors and patients.
So let's just stop putting down the people who have legitimate issues while acknowledging that it has been over-publicized (what hasn't?) in this frenzy over Covid.
There are many who are sick with something, but the only science that has been done on this that is not total garbage cannot find biochemical markers that are consistent among people reporting "Long CoVid", so exactly what they are sick with is not clear. If they were vaccinated (or double vaccinated with booster) it may well be a vaccine injury. If they weren't, they may have had a subclinical problem that CoVid (or a cold or a flu or the psychological disaster CoVid lockdowns caused for so many) pushed over the edge. Garbage science and medicine do not lead to cures. Right now the "treatment" of choice were I live is a CoVid booster and anti-depressants so be cautious of joining the "It must be Long CoVid" Circus Parade
I don't consider bringing light to the people that are suffering and died over-publicized? There isn't enough attention given to their conditions. In fact one of the problems is that doctors are reluctant to give a diagnosis of Long Covid. Believe I know.
I'm afraid this is not true. Post CoVid is turning into a medical cash cow for some doctors who are only too happy to "treat' it. Garbage science and medicine does not yield effective treatments. That people are suffering from something. Declaring it "Long CoVid" in the absence of even remotely acceptable science does not help.
I respectfully disagree. My sister has suffered for over 12 months after receiving the vaccine. both long covid and vaccine injuries have the same sy mptoms . I do know of individuals treated for both that have responded. My sister is now under the program and finally seeing some relief. Most dr. we went to did not even want to near my sister and deny her injuries came from covid. There are very few in the medical profession that I have any use for.
Good, balanced approaches are needed all round these days.
I'm not saying it's not real, but I do know the power of suggestion. Our brains are fascinating. My grandmother had a leg amputated and after that it was always itchy. I believe I had long covid. Lost my sense of smell. It turned out to be a blessing. Everytime I walked into the restroom it didn't smell. A year later I can now smell everything.
I know one man who was, at least, very slow to recover from Covid - about 3-4 months to get back to normal, and he wasn’t lying around thinking about it, he was trying to work.
I do tend to agree there’s less of it than claimed, though.
It has been clinically proven (in our clinics), by 8 of the 10 doctors on our payroll. We need another bailout to fund Pfizers research.
This stuff is legendary amongst those that are still wearing masks out doors, today. It’s a religion.
I seen it down in Florida 2 weeks ago in Pensacola. Some still wearing mask!! And some wearing a mask while driving and they! Are the only one in the SUV!!!!!!! Insane!!!
Today was a glorious day - 77°, sunny, light breeze. Went to my usual park for a long walk. Saw three 20-somethings wearing.a.mask. Outdoors. Sigh.
The young ones--20- and 30-somethings--are the most indoctrinated. Incapable of independent thought.
That's what you get when everyone gets a Participation Trophy.
Because it exists and my sister is an example. Pls. see my comment above. There are my in her condition and if you are really interested all you have to do "very" little research to educate yourself.
There are many who are sick with something, but the only science that has been done on this that is not total garbage cannot find biochemical markers that are consistent among people reporting "Long CoVid", so exactly what they are sick with is not clear. If they were vaccinated (or double vaccinated with booster) it may well be a vaccine injury. If they weren't they may have had a subclinical problem that CoVid (or a cold or a flu or the psychological disaster CoVid lockdowns caused for so many) pushed over the edge.
Judy Mikovits in her book plague of corruption goes into detailed ways explaining much of the origins of ME-CFS and XMRV issues long ago. The 1930's San Francisco medical nursing staff cover-up by the Rockefellers was interesting. So many of those medical personnel had eerily similar "long Covid (short, intermediate, ULTRA...CALL it what you wish)" symptoms" As did decades later post injections for so call public benefit in the decades following to modern day
thank you.
Communism. And it worked. "We didn't think we could get away with it, then Italy happened."
What do you mean about Italy happened
Italy was the first 'free' society to lock down.
Ok
Hinda, not Honda. Autocorrect strikes again. I apologize.
Trust me, a Honda, Hinda, Hondo, Hilda are out there claiming long C too. Just wait until there is special perks from the Gov't if you're diagnosed with long C. Flood gates will open and job openings galore.
to err is human. to really screw things up you need a computer!
😆
Scientists made a startling discovery recently when conducting tests on BIDEN and a common rock. They found that not only did the rock possess higher intelligence than BIDEN , but the rock was also far more useful.
Meh, Hinda Honda, tomato tomato.
Q: If citizens completely stopped getting vaccinated, would the spike 🎢 stop? My hemotologist says yes.
good question 🤔
Sadly we won't find out because, we'll you know...
But Hinda sounds funky.
A clear illustration that COVID hysteria is strongly associated with mental illness.
This is right up there with CFS. Exactly the same demographic for all of them. The most telling study (peer reviewed) was the one that showed that the only correlation with long covid was whether you THOUGHT you had covid. Actually having covid (by testing) was unrelated.
That is all you need to know.
CFS and fibromyalgia, chronic Lyme and Long COVID all appear to work through the CCR5-rantespathway. It’s not psychosomatic for everyone. Cytokine panels don’t lie!
Exactly my thoughts too Was just reading the past hour on the Mikovits assertions on the XMRV retro viruses and the CFS-ME or some like to say ME-CFS link
OMG
1 in 3 get long covid? I know dozens and dozens of people who had covid. Don't know a single one that has long covid.
I had Covid 3 weeks ago: exhausted, chills, sore joints, 102 degree fever. Tested positive (for what that’s worth.) took 60 mg of ivermectin, zinc, 400 mg of hydroxychloroquine, more D3, NAC, lots of vitamin C. Fever and all symptoms were gone in 36 hours. Then I lost my sense of taste and smell. Continued with seriously reduced ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine (and always zinc and vitamins. Smell and taste came back all the way one eeek later.... that was my long covid. They should have interviewed me :)
I’m over 60 yrs old, and unvaxxed
Ugggh. Glad that sht’s behind you!
Sounds like a hypochondriac.
$pecialized clinic$
Sounds like a government employee ailment.
Yes! some people have to have the latest medical symptoms in order to impress their friends even if self-diagnosed. There is no test for stupid at the present, there should be.
Many years ago I stumbled upon a few minutes of a Ted Nugent NRA interview.(I have no strong opinions on either) He was asked, "Do you believe stupid people should be heard?" His priceless answer, " I BELIEVE THE STUPID PEOPLE SHOULD BE HEARD SO THEN WE KNOW WHO THE STUPID PEOPLE ARE!"
Ted...such a classic :)
I just hope they keep wearing masks, makes them easier to identify. Like Bill Engvall used to say, “here’s your sign”.
So true...amazing how many want to have a label or two. They see a slick ad on TV and say "hey that's me"
The worst thing we ever did was to allow Pharma to advertise.
we? Our bought and paid for servants in the swamp allowed it. I know that is what you mean...just sayin
LOL...yes, I should have said "we".
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Yep, by no means should a patient go into the doctor demanding to try something they know shit about. I did that once with an inhaler, well Advair. My doctor put me in my place! Still go to his house on occasions, but now I know I'm not a medical professional.
Mitochondria. Mitochondria. Mitochondria.
powerhouse of the cell. Injured mito's and LC or CFS or whatever other label the pharma medical industrial complex can surmise
Yes, and it's difficult to measure. That's what's happening here.
Long Covid = Mass Hysteria= Conversion disorder
Long COVID is very real and can be diagnosed with a cytokine panel. The treatment changed my life within 2 weeks. Long COVID is not a mystery. We have excellent papers published in Frontiers in Medicine regarding the retained spike protein within “immortal” monocytes that create a perpetual vascular inflammatory process. This process affects the autonomic nervous system and creates a POTS type syndrome, inflames the vasculature of the brain causing tremendous cognitive issues, while also causing inflammation of the heart particularly with interleukin 8. The most interesting thing is that the research found that much of Long COVID is vaccine induced and not infection induced likely due to the exponentially higher amount of spike protein in the blood after vaccination. I was in a debilitated state until two weeks after treatment with Maraviroc, statins, and blood thinners. I’m almost completely back to normal. Please don’t make jokes about this. It is very real for an estimated 30%. It is particularly worse after delta and omicron, especially adolescents. Though some quack doctors are using is as an opportunity to cash in, many docs are doing good work and treating the MOA and not just putting bandaids on symptoms. I just wish the bulk of medical professionals would keep up with current information instead of acting like these are psychosomatic complaints. Read the articles by Bruce Patterson et al. Hope this helps someone.
Yes, but the Long Covid Cabal is saying that Long Covid is caused by COVID. That's what's being debunked with columns like this one by Alex, and this one (https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/the-long-and-short-of-long-covid?s=r) by el gato malo, for example.
Well, it’s caused by the spike and the vaccine produces exponentially more spike in the blood with each injection than the virus ever will. I unfortunately had severe LC and am not vaccinated.
Look LHappy, I truly want you to be healthy and you seem like a smart guy but you don't include the fact that papers conclude the symptoms "might" be vaccine related until deep into your comment and well after you wrote "Long covid is real..." It's very hard to keep hearing the sweaty desperate attempts by many people to try to hide phrases like "Vaccine induced" or "vaccine side effects" or "the Covid vaccines are an abject failure" or "Fake vaccines for a bullshit flu that has been played up for dark reasons", and it sounds disingenuous, but maybe isn't on your part, to try to slap the label "Long covid" on your symptoms. Btw, my sense of today's comments (could be wrong) is there seems to be more than a normal amount of posters carrying water for Covid hysterics. Usually this substack is an oasis.
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I would like to know if all those claiming to have long Covid have been vaccinated.
I think that would be the question for this person. She apparently had Covid 7 months before her first doctor’s visit for Long Covid in July 2021. So, did she get vaccinated after she had Covid and now has these symptoms?
Maybe her problems originated either oxygen deprivation after wearing a mask for 2 and a half years 24/7?
I know someone who claims to have Long Covid bc she has had Covid three times now and can't shake it...double vaxed and double boosted. And so is her husband, three kids, her parents, her in-laws, everybody, etc. Her mother has Lupus and she is beginning to develop symptoms of it, but hasn't been diagnosed yet. I didn't have the heart to tell her I wasn't vaxxed and felt great. 😢
She has "long covid" because she's double-vaxxed and double-boosted, not because she's been triple-infected.
So it's not really long covid. It's long pfizer or long moderna. Longvaxx, perhaps?
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Hinda needs Ivermectin!
>>Hinda needs Ivermectin <<
Or Fluvoxamine.