At best it’s on life support; Musk is essentially demanding a renegotiated lower price, while Twitter will sue to force him to close. Much ugliness ahead.
5% was a bogus figure if you looked at any of the responses under a criminal like Trudeau’s posts—you had to dig to find the comments where people decried him, even though they were massively liked. Somehow the lowest ratio’d ones always got boosted to the foreground too.
Most of the liberal and democratic elite have benefited from these automated systems, no doubt. In fact, all of social media is likely more of a farce than we’ve been willing to believe.
The thing is that ultra many conservatives fall for this fakery and let themselves be intimidated by these fake majorities. The whole republican establishment is victim to this scheme.
I see your point but being a Canadian libertarian I don't fall for the crap, I understand what the government is and what is it capable of doing in the name for the security of the state. Justine was afraid of a few fringe minority hateful misogynist racists homophobe trans hating people... but yet the videos I saw were not what the narrative was sated as. The 2 party system down south in the US is a uniparty and ever in Canada it has become a joke as a rag head supports a rag head mocking clown /shrug the WEF has it's grip in our country hard and till a few more people realize this we as a nation are fkd
Was he afraid or did he leverage them for his globalist agenda? Maybe he was both since he's a fink.
As for the grip he has, what a horseshoe up his ass. The NDP are propping him and wouldn't you know it? Jagoff is a WEF member. The party here showing its naïveté is the Bloc Quebecois who side with them on the mandates. But they're from Quebec and Quebec comes with its own set of peculiar corruption and nonsense. With the courts and RCMP standing by doing nothing (in fact protecting the criminality) Canada at the moment doesn't even exist as a functional democracy.
Putting the WEF before your country is treason. Such "Young Leaders" ought to be treated the same as those who collaborated with the Axis powers, another group of intolerant, murderous, ideologues intent on world domination.
Sidebar. When masks began to poison the minds of people spreading like a blob across lands, I began a two-year journey into masks. Aside from the fact they NEVER worked (and the authorities knew it) there was a strange blip in the messaging. As we know, the criminals were all saying the right things about masks prior to April 2020. That they essentially no nothing like Radio-Active Man's goggles. We - they - KNEW this. Yet, in just one month the narrative shifted. So I looked into whether the science changed or if there was a gigantic study that came into over turn decades' worth of data and literature on masks showing they're ineffective in BOTH hospitals (duh, masks are for bacteria) and community settings.
Nothing.
Just the words of TV dinner experts and Fauci who roams the halls of NIAID like Quasimodo.
But the studies that kept popping up usually involved the name Jeremy Howard. But I could never figure out why he seemed to be the point guard in several studies. And then bang. I found out via a site masks4all.org he's a part of that he's from the WEF's 'Young Leaders' program. I have no idea what they teach there but we're finding too many of these Covidians hail from that program.
It has all the features of a cult. Just my suspicion but this is an angle talented investigative journalists should look into. I don't think Davos Man is as benign as we think.
"Branch Davosianism" is most definitely an esoteric cult, an unholy mix of secular "magick" and techno-eschatology, and that may be the clue to unraveling its meaning and intentions.
One of its key prophets is historian, Yuval Noah Harari, an advocate for the emergence of "Homo Deus," and the "Singularity" where artificial intelligence absorbs and renders humanity obsolete. Harari is featured in many presentations by the WWF, and also in conversation with Mark Zuckerberg, Klaus Schwab, Natalie Portman, and other WEF type people, whose actions and beliefs are opaque unless you take their affiliation with the WEF into account.
I suspect that its roots go back much further, given that Klaus Schwab is quite old, though he does seem to accept uncritically Harari's promise that he will be one of the first to gain immortality by having his mind transferred to a machine. I wonder if Schwab has a connection to Maurice Strong, given that they moved in the same circles and have ideology in common, along with secular ritual "magick" to advance their aims.
It is all quite a rabbit-hole, and much of it is hidden in plain sight.
Putin is monster and Russia's attempt to take over Ukraine was inevitable and is not Putin specific. This story is hundreds of years old. But the timing of the war is directly tied to Russia's exit from WEF and Zelensky's support for Trump and making public the results Ukrainian investigation into Burisma corruption, which show how Burisma and a few other companies that were run by Biden, Pelosi, Kerry and Romney, were used to launder "economic development assistance money" into their pockets. With this war WEF planned to kill two birds with one stone. They wanted to silence Zelensky and show Putin who is the boss. So they did all they could to provoke this war now. They continually provoked Russian and continued to supply it with advanced weapons and publicly denied Ukrainian requests for military aid to the very day of the war. 50% of the plan failed. Zelensky did not crumble and his courage inspire people around the world. Zelensky is now more popular than the governments of many Western countries, US, France, German clearly in that list. By talking directly to the people and not the government Zelensky is forcing these governments to act in Ukraine's defense. Yet, these fiends are still trying to make good on their plan to silence him by doing all they can to delay the aid to Ukraine. A lot is promised but the flow is deliberately slow, to not allow Ukraine a quick victory. Meanwhile they are beginning the character assassination campaigns against Zelensky and funding morally bankrupt Ukrainian politicians to spread rumors and innuendo.
That uniparty is why so many of eth Republicans worked with the Democrats to get rid of Trump. Couldn't stand having someone in the WH not controlled by party leadership.
what as a leader it's ok to be a brown face but for me to call out a brown face wanted to be a white face who supports a white face who thinks being a brown face is ok? Is that language more appropriate for you? FJT
yup, why in the world are we taking serious these green haired nose ringed pedos who try and think they are in charge, its insanity !!! look at Disney, they bowed to this mob and lost 60 billlion in market value -they destroyed a great company, what idiots !! this is all a house of cards , all of it Twitter and Facsist book all of them were created by the CIA as a way to manipulate the masses - US ! its a big con job, but people are waking up...finally !!
The majority of the "republican" congressional representatives and senators are uniparty vultures. They and the communist, racist demoncrats take turns playing good cop/bad cop. They aren't victims, they're active participants of the grifting of the US taxpayers.
However, looking up and down the 2024 GOP lineup, the sad truth is that freedom-loving ‘public servants’ are few and far between. Rand Paul took Tony Fauci out to the woodshed a couple times, but Fauci keeps spewing lies on TV and getting paid for it. Ron DeSantis ‘followed the science’ better than nearly all governors, but (to my certainly imperfect knowledge) Kristi Noem was the only governor who (correctly) proclaimed to not have the power to close your business. Ron Johnson has been holding covid hearings and allowing ignored voices to be heard. And…….that’s everybody?
I'd say it depends on who you asked. The AUtyhrotarin left believes the line has moved along with them and while it has some its not near to the extent they want to believe it has. I don't think its moved enough that those on the left would be middle today unless they were already close to middle and just slightly left leaning. Many classical liberals are cast as Right-Wingers by the Left because they refuse to go along with the woke madness.
First of all it was a distraction. Musk is a WEF card carrying member, the # of fake spam bot accounts might be closer to 47% to 58% and to say what you said about our dictator Justine Trudeau don't forget about the half billion $ he gave to media ,,, as a support for the hard times they are suffering. And you are correct the algo does play a big part when you are subsidized by a local government
Regardless of the moral confusion represented by the person known as “Elon Musk” any pronouncements on “freedom of speech” by random billionaires are to be regarded with a jaundiced eye (perhaps two of them). It is we the people - the actual source of wealth and power - who decide this through inalienable rights. Need to smoke this in our pipes today and share it around.
Musk didn't have to turn over the rock and expose the creepy crawlies, but he did. That's a good thing. He may never have actually wanted to buy Twitter. Joke's on them.
This is understandable and a human right, perhaps held supreme among those granted by our inalienable rights of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. My only point as I truly don't pay much attention to Elon is only that as a society which even pretends to believe in inalienable rights it simply isn't up to Twitter or Elon that we be grated free speech & related rights. If the constitution has been truly shredded we need to move on and create another one based on the first. It'a a pretty good document. How can a "con man" be a person to root for?
Many films, songs, and works of literature deal with this subject. The cons we root for in these however are in some way related to a character making just moral decisions against an authoritarian and oppressive force. Our art tends not to celebrate con artists who are acting against the good of we the people.
This subject can quickly become a moral jungle however. Full of gray areas, lol. As someone said "Welcome to the jungle."
Let's keep that secret so people don't read, look at the pics and weep. Funny that the creators of Conspiracy Theory now operate under the darkness of the bubble. On some accounts we are all CIA Operatives. And perhaps there really is a good guy department working the escalators when the cleaning crew arrives.
Gallows humor, lol. It is a very concerning that those of us who discuss these subjects are regarded as Conspiracy Theorists. Strange though that it is we CT's, who have first raised issues initially dubbed Conspiracy theories and now proven to be true or under major consideration by the general public and major media
Here's good link on only some of the reasons we're regarded as mentally ill radicals:
More truthful and rational is the view that in a time of ruthless censorship, that it is precisely free speech, guaranteed by the Constitution, that we need . An authoritarian state always inhibits free speech.
Musk is a multi billionaire because he has been shrewd enough to manipulate all the various governmental systems he has been involved with to his own personal advantage, including all the freebies. Biden et al caterwaul ad nauseum about the uber rich needing to pay their fair share, but the fact is, Biden and cronies over the decades created a tax system to advantage the rich so they themselves could take advantage of all the tax loopholes (and they most certainly DO), and people like Bezos and Musk used the very same available tricks and loopholes. Not a single rich elite would actually volunteer to PAY extra taxes they could legally get away with not paying. No way. It's all talking points. Very transparent.
Correct. It can cut the other way too. Shortly after George Floyd's death, Yahoo shut down their comment section. People were very angry at the rioters, and not buying the official narrative. By eliminating comments, the narrative advances, unopposed. Atomization of the masses is a large part off our "elite's" ongoing revolution.
Same with Xiden. There's a 2.5 minute video of someone going through his followers and one after a other, they're fake accounts that say they have no followers and no comments. How can they follow Xiden if their account says they're not following anybody? 🤔
I laughed at the idea Xiden has followers, let alone as many as they claim. He had virtually no one attending his very few campaign events, so it's ludicrous to buy into the idea he has a lot of followers! Not even grandma followers! Ha!
An epic insult to us grandmas, lol. Any self-respecting grandma who follows Uncle Fritz was never a real woman and certainly wouldn't make a real grandma.
The fake accounts typically have no followers, which is unusual because a real person will usually pick up a few just from interacting with other real people on unrelated topics.
I doubt that. I’m no expert, but I’ve read that ‘bots’ are programmed w algorithms to retweet and interact w legit accounts. A lot of times I got the sense that an interaction was a little off target, not quite grasping my point, and then I would see many other examples of that in that account’s feed. A lot of these suspect accounts have thousands of followers.
Those kinds of bot accounts initiate the "following," and real human beings might briefly scan to make sure there is nothing offensive such as pornography before following back, motivated by a vague sense of obligation.
By contrast, the sort of bots used to boost the apparent popularity of politicians usually only follow that one individual, and so have no 'courtesy' followers.
In his book, The Fatal Conceit, Friedrich Hayek described the word "Social" as a "weasel word" that sucks all the meaning out of any term connected to it, based on the old superstition that weasels could drain the contents of an egg while leaving it looking intact.
My impression of his conduct, at least the public conduct, on this matter is that he has cleared the ground for a devaluation of Twitter one way or another. The company is in turmoil and now being tempted to make a deal to have some kind of an out. The valuation was always speculative and inflated; now it is being tested on the fundamentals of their business model. Carefully cultivated perception kept them enriched and growing as a near-monopoloy; and altered perception may become their undoing which would include encouraging competitors on all fronts.
And adding further mystery, this probably was the plan approved by "DARPA compartments" long ago. What better way to strip the cash than stock tumbling.
Not to mention the stock is yrading almost $20 beliw the bid. Musk wont pay $54 and the market will punish Twtr for lying about spam accounts this will be ugly for Twtr
Twitter's screwed. If they have lied on their filings they have no leg to stand on. Their share price ultimately collapses unless they take whatever he offers.
With all the AI behind it, I doubt the board could know unless they turned it all off; and that would be bad for them. This could also be construed as possible fraud both to Musk & existing shareholders as well, making metrics seem better than they were.
It's the painful selfies of aging women that really make me wonder what the hell. Or young bims with their tongues stuck out. And the responses: "beautiful!" "You're so hot", "you go, girl!". Makes me think the whole platform was designed to bring out the worst in people.
I wonder if there’s even anything to legitimately audit. As you say, there’s plenty of fakery out there, and that could apply to advertising revenue as well.
Think beyond just EM. If you are say Lee's Potato Chips and they have sold you that 'this is how you reach the coveted 18-49 year old market on social media by paying us a $1,000,000 to promote your brand' and the users can't eat chips because they don't exist.... as a business owner, I am talking to my lawyer.
'Wench' is the feminine form of 'wain' a derived from the word 'wean,' and is Anglo-Saxon for young adult. Dr. Jill is far from being a 'wench' on this basis, however she dresses.
Think of all the pension funds invested in Twitter who can, and should, sue them for fraud. Not a Musk fan but damn, give the dude credit for exposing Twitter without spending a dime.
If Twitter pulled 5% out of thin air and stuck it in an SEC filing, then not only will Elon not have to fork over 1 billion, he can probably seek damages from Twitter. Not to mention Twitter will have filed false information that duped investors, which is criminal.
I don't really care but this is just business. Seen done deals collapse at last minute before, and deals that look like they blew up get put back together again. Either way, Musk was never going to save you. Maybe just a nice distraction. Who knows
I admit to being surprised at how many people immediately jumped onto the idea of Musk being the free speech savior. I was and still remain skeptical, who can know what he's really up to other than Musk himself?
I think Twitter should DIE. It is not the Public Square as touted by many. Twitter is disinformation! As the stock plummets and the SEC sees they are criminals, Musk is effectively forcing it out of the ugly shadows. #deathtotwitter First let me say that I know I don’t matter in the Twitterverse. That said, I left Twitter and my @2000 hard fought followers when they banned Trump. I set up a new account at the end of last year. I cannot get above 153 follows to save my life. They hide my comments behind the “may be offensive tag. Take a look some time at the comments behind those responses. I have yet to find offensive comments. That is where we little guys live. Existing only to read the Bluecheck liberals BS. Go get them Alex and hurry before they are no more
According to it's 10-Q filing "We define mDAU as people, organizations, or other accounts who logged in or were otherwise authenticated and accessed Twitter on any given day through twitter.com, Twitter applications that are able to show ads, or paid Twitter products, including subscriptions."
"[...] there are a number of false or spam accounts in existence on our platform. We have performed an internal review of a sample of accounts and estimate that the average of false or spam accounts during the first quarter of 2022 represented fewer than 5% of our mDAU during the quarter."
Obviously showing ads to bots is worthless, so validating or amending the claim is essential to valuation. Standard due diligence.
I suspect this was Musk's strategy all along. First get the board to agree to the tender, then tank the stock with public pronouncements, then get the shareholders involved in an ugly fight over false claims on bots, causing the advertisers to revolt. In the end, Elon will buy it for half price and they will thank him for it.
You don't get to be the world's richest man by being an idiot. There are no idiot billionaires (for those who accused Trump of being an idiot). The capitalist is schooling the wokesters.
Good for Musk ..he has no weakness..he means it ..clearly stated … As much as I would like to see him owning Twitter …he’s got to stand up for himself! He just keeps getting better every day!
It has long been known that YouTube tinkers with the upvote/downvote counts and then recently, for specious reasons, YouTube deleted the downvote count altogether and made it visible only to the owner of the video. Joe Biden used to get 90% downvotes, which takes some skill and then it was documented that the counts were changed in the blink of an eye by YouTube/Google. I remember just a few weeks before the 2020 election, I'd see a Biden video and it would have maybe 50% likes but when you read the comments, you'd have to scroll through hundreds of posts to find even one person that had something positive to say about Sleepy Creepy Joe Biden. Facebook has millions of fake accounts, which isn't necessarily FB's fault but it's a reality. I had a family member that had these products he sold on the internet and his FB campaign was made up of thousands of fake FB accounts that would like his product and they all looked real. Twitter is also part of this fake news media complex that props up Weekend-at-Bernie's candidates like Joe Biden and Kamala Harris and squashes stories that outline voter fraud, vaccine deaths, the futility of masks, corruption at the CDC or Pfizer, or anything that goes against the left-wing narrative.
I’ve never messed around much with Twitter, but the more their dirty laundry is exposed the better we all are for knowing. This can’t be good for the stock price!
Musk is going to have big problems here. The 20% figure is nonsense. If you read the methodology behind that study it's complete garbage. Amongst other things they literally define active users as users who tweet - the majority of users who simply want to follow tweets don't exist at all, as far as those guys are concerned.
Basically all Twitter spambot research is pseudo-science of a quality that makes the average COVID study look like a pinnacle of rigorous truth seeking in comparison. If he gets into lawsuits where he tries to defend himself using those sorts of papers Twitter will demolish him in about five minutes flat.
A pity. I was looking forward to a Musk-run Twitter.
Yet Twitter's own claims, in filings and in promotions to advertisers, would rely on much the same sorts of papers. Much to be revealed in the sausage making aviary. Heh, when does a bird sign?
No, they don't. Twitter's numbers aren't coming from external third party researchers, they come from their own internal analysis using access to data that others don't have (and cannot have). I realize Twitter is the 'enemy' here but they are the only ones in any position to know the true rates of spam on their platform. Nobody else has enough data access to calculate such a figure. Even Twitter's value can be wrong, because they're trying to measure something that's trying to remain hidden, but it'll certainly be way less wrong than random outsiders can manage.
Actually, Twitter has already conceded that this aspect of their fundamentals can not be known; and the only reason they do not use 3rd parties is, they say, confidentiality of user info. As if that really mattered to them. Basically, they deny neutral access to the data and, sure, that means only they have enough data access. I do not think it is correct to assert that Twitter's proferred calculation must be way less wrong than a neutral -- (who said random?) -- 3rd party agreed upon by both sides.
Check out @JustinTrudeau. Scroll past the blue checks and start looking at some of his 6.1M "followers". Joined May 2022 with 0 tweets. %20 bots might be even lower than Elon thinks.
This would have more weight if you have a timestamp making the same comment when Musk first expressed interest in acquiring Twitter, or even when he made his offer.
What boggles my mind is if they can’t manage 20% fake/spam accounts, but have time to remove people with credibility in what they share, like you Alex, what is that truly saying? Clearly they are motivated by something or outside forces to manage things a certain way! This kind of stuff is so frustrating!
Good luck with what appears to be fraudulent public statements, SEC filings and management representations, Twitter's D&O's will have a bigger problem with shareholder suits. Twitter's audit firm may have a big problem too.
TWTR-the-business: eliminate half your content because "insurrection", and then charge your actual customer-advertisers to show ads to a bunch of bots. Thanks for the reveal, Elon.
Seems like 90+% of the responses to @pfizer tweets are making fun of Pfizer. Those are the real tweets. Not the ones posted by vaxbots, asking when they can get their 6 month olds shot up.
I often characterize myself as "barely across the digital divide" and even I know that social media fully has the capability to verify whether users are real persons. Come on! This revelation about Twitter could be grounds for "no-brainer regulation" that Big Tech clean out its sites, one would hope.
If they haven't already, they'll NDA Elon or his henchmen and show their work. Elon will then make a rational business decision. If their work supports their disclosures Elon will find a way to back down. If it doesn't, he'll press for a discount. Their private data supporting their claims will come out in any lawsuit to force Elon to close the deal or pay the break fee. If their reporting is optimistic but close to the "truth" reflected in their private data, it's in everyone's interest to knock a few bucks off the sales price and close the deal. If they've been completely lying to the SEC and public, maybe Elon ices the deal and hopes Parag gets hauled away in cuffs for investor fraud. Elizabeth Holmes.
Elon is too smart to allow a genuine misunderstanding to cause him to walk away from the deal, only to lose the break fee case in court when the judge and jury see the same private data he will see now.
This is just full-court-press public M&A. When no White Knight emerged during the bid process, it became clear to Elon that he had the whip hand. Now he's using his advantage to score a few bucks, rather than let it slip away unused.
5% was a bogus figure if you looked at any of the responses under a criminal like Trudeau’s posts—you had to dig to find the comments where people decried him, even though they were massively liked. Somehow the lowest ratio’d ones always got boosted to the foreground too.
Most of the liberal and democratic elite have benefited from these automated systems, no doubt. In fact, all of social media is likely more of a farce than we’ve been willing to believe.
The thing is that ultra many conservatives fall for this fakery and let themselves be intimidated by these fake majorities. The whole republican establishment is victim to this scheme.
I see your point but being a Canadian libertarian I don't fall for the crap, I understand what the government is and what is it capable of doing in the name for the security of the state. Justine was afraid of a few fringe minority hateful misogynist racists homophobe trans hating people... but yet the videos I saw were not what the narrative was sated as. The 2 party system down south in the US is a uniparty and ever in Canada it has become a joke as a rag head supports a rag head mocking clown /shrug the WEF has it's grip in our country hard and till a few more people realize this we as a nation are fkd
Was he afraid or did he leverage them for his globalist agenda? Maybe he was both since he's a fink.
As for the grip he has, what a horseshoe up his ass. The NDP are propping him and wouldn't you know it? Jagoff is a WEF member. The party here showing its naïveté is the Bloc Quebecois who side with them on the mandates. But they're from Quebec and Quebec comes with its own set of peculiar corruption and nonsense. With the courts and RCMP standing by doing nothing (in fact protecting the criminality) Canada at the moment doesn't even exist as a functional democracy.
Putting the WEF before your country is treason. Such "Young Leaders" ought to be treated the same as those who collaborated with the Axis powers, another group of intolerant, murderous, ideologues intent on world domination.
Sidebar. When masks began to poison the minds of people spreading like a blob across lands, I began a two-year journey into masks. Aside from the fact they NEVER worked (and the authorities knew it) there was a strange blip in the messaging. As we know, the criminals were all saying the right things about masks prior to April 2020. That they essentially no nothing like Radio-Active Man's goggles. We - they - KNEW this. Yet, in just one month the narrative shifted. So I looked into whether the science changed or if there was a gigantic study that came into over turn decades' worth of data and literature on masks showing they're ineffective in BOTH hospitals (duh, masks are for bacteria) and community settings.
Nothing.
Just the words of TV dinner experts and Fauci who roams the halls of NIAID like Quasimodo.
But the studies that kept popping up usually involved the name Jeremy Howard. But I could never figure out why he seemed to be the point guard in several studies. And then bang. I found out via a site masks4all.org he's a part of that he's from the WEF's 'Young Leaders' program. I have no idea what they teach there but we're finding too many of these Covidians hail from that program.
It has all the features of a cult. Just my suspicion but this is an angle talented investigative journalists should look into. I don't think Davos Man is as benign as we think.
Great snooping, JD!
"Branch Davosianism" is most definitely an esoteric cult, an unholy mix of secular "magick" and techno-eschatology, and that may be the clue to unraveling its meaning and intentions.
One of its key prophets is historian, Yuval Noah Harari, an advocate for the emergence of "Homo Deus," and the "Singularity" where artificial intelligence absorbs and renders humanity obsolete. Harari is featured in many presentations by the WWF, and also in conversation with Mark Zuckerberg, Klaus Schwab, Natalie Portman, and other WEF type people, whose actions and beliefs are opaque unless you take their affiliation with the WEF into account.
I suspect that its roots go back much further, given that Klaus Schwab is quite old, though he does seem to accept uncritically Harari's promise that he will be one of the first to gain immortality by having his mind transferred to a machine. I wonder if Schwab has a connection to Maurice Strong, given that they moved in the same circles and have ideology in common, along with secular ritual "magick" to advance their aims.
It is all quite a rabbit-hole, and much of it is hidden in plain sight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vrkTl9Sv6Y
Putin was a member of the young leaders of the WEF he was kick out...hmmm i wonder why? he is the grey horse savoir?
Putin has the conscience of a shark. If WEF benefited him personally he'd still be in the club.
Hope so. Someone has to bring the west to it's knees before it is "self destructed" by our leaders.
Putin is monster and Russia's attempt to take over Ukraine was inevitable and is not Putin specific. This story is hundreds of years old. But the timing of the war is directly tied to Russia's exit from WEF and Zelensky's support for Trump and making public the results Ukrainian investigation into Burisma corruption, which show how Burisma and a few other companies that were run by Biden, Pelosi, Kerry and Romney, were used to launder "economic development assistance money" into their pockets. With this war WEF planned to kill two birds with one stone. They wanted to silence Zelensky and show Putin who is the boss. So they did all they could to provoke this war now. They continually provoked Russian and continued to supply it with advanced weapons and publicly denied Ukrainian requests for military aid to the very day of the war. 50% of the plan failed. Zelensky did not crumble and his courage inspire people around the world. Zelensky is now more popular than the governments of many Western countries, US, France, German clearly in that list. By talking directly to the people and not the government Zelensky is forcing these governments to act in Ukraine's defense. Yet, these fiends are still trying to make good on their plan to silence him by doing all they can to delay the aid to Ukraine. A lot is promised but the flow is deliberately slow, to not allow Ukraine a quick victory. Meanwhile they are beginning the character assassination campaigns against Zelensky and funding morally bankrupt Ukrainian politicians to spread rumors and innuendo.
He was afraid.
That uniparty is why so many of eth Republicans worked with the Democrats to get rid of Trump. Couldn't stand having someone in the WH not controlled by party leadership.
Rag head? Come on man...
what as a leader it's ok to be a brown face but for me to call out a brown face wanted to be a white face who supports a white face who thinks being a brown face is ok? Is that language more appropriate for you? FJT
Turbanista. <---Very haute couture.
Suburban Turbanists!
Ha! Suburban Turbanist Network sez: "Silence! I KEEL you!"
Camel fucker?
IF THE HAT FITS………
Wog?
To the Brits, anyone who isn't a Brit is a wog.
"Wogs begin at Calais"
--Traditional British saying.
Yep. Pretty much my experience.
Royally fucked
yup, why in the world are we taking serious these green haired nose ringed pedos who try and think they are in charge, its insanity !!! look at Disney, they bowed to this mob and lost 60 billlion in market value -they destroyed a great company, what idiots !! this is all a house of cards , all of it Twitter and Facsist book all of them were created by the CIA as a way to manipulate the masses - US ! its a big con job, but people are waking up...finally !!
DARPA does most of these on-line games shows. Otherwise In-Tel-Q would not be a straight up stock seller.
They are having record profits at their theme parks I think they are doing fine
Everybody is having 'record profits' because every dollar is worth less than it was just a few years ago.
My guess is your household is also experiencing 'record profits', yet it's harder and harder to actually get by.
The majority of the "republican" congressional representatives and senators are uniparty vultures. They and the communist, racist demoncrats take turns playing good cop/bad cop. They aren't victims, they're active participants of the grifting of the US taxpayers.
Exactly.
https://simulationcommander.substack.com/p/democrats-have-gone-crazy-but-freedom
However, looking up and down the 2024 GOP lineup, the sad truth is that freedom-loving ‘public servants’ are few and far between. Rand Paul took Tony Fauci out to the woodshed a couple times, but Fauci keeps spewing lies on TV and getting paid for it. Ron DeSantis ‘followed the science’ better than nearly all governors, but (to my certainly imperfect knowledge) Kristi Noem was the only governor who (correctly) proclaimed to not have the power to close your business. Ron Johnson has been holding covid hearings and allowing ignored voices to be heard. And…….that’s everybody?
Yep, maybe MTG too, but i think you have it covered pretty well.
right, see Obama's followers explode after Trump purge, Adam Sharp effect in play ;)
Its not just the Republican's either, good number of middle of the road people are also mislead by Twitters BS & lies.
Especially those who aim to be "middle of the road". Today's "middle of the road" would have been far left 30 years ago.
I'd say it depends on who you asked. The AUtyhrotarin left believes the line has moved along with them and while it has some its not near to the extent they want to believe it has. I don't think its moved enough that those on the left would be middle today unless they were already close to middle and just slightly left leaning. Many classical liberals are cast as Right-Wingers by the Left because they refuse to go along with the woke madness.
The left has become so extreme that the 'Overton window' has become the 'Overton wrong end of a telescope'
I don’t doubt that for a minute.
First of all it was a distraction. Musk is a WEF card carrying member, the # of fake spam bot accounts might be closer to 47% to 58% and to say what you said about our dictator Justine Trudeau don't forget about the half billion $ he gave to media ,,, as a support for the hard times they are suffering. And you are correct the algo does play a big part when you are subsidized by a local government
Regardless of the moral confusion represented by the person known as “Elon Musk” any pronouncements on “freedom of speech” by random billionaires are to be regarded with a jaundiced eye (perhaps two of them). It is we the people - the actual source of wealth and power - who decide this through inalienable rights. Need to smoke this in our pipes today and share it around.
Musk didn't have to turn over the rock and expose the creepy crawlies, but he did. That's a good thing. He may never have actually wanted to buy Twitter. Joke's on them.
Twitter will soon disappear unless it is controlled by an African American like Elon Musk.
Agree…I think Twitter’s relevancy is dwindling. I don’t find myself on it near as much.
That may be. But there are many making jokes on we the people right now. If the joke’s on we the people, then?
Thinking the same here.
Musk spoke at Davos, with a message of caution to them. That does not make him a card carrying member.
He’s a con man but I’m rooting for him in this chapter
This is understandable and a human right, perhaps held supreme among those granted by our inalienable rights of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. My only point as I truly don't pay much attention to Elon is only that as a society which even pretends to believe in inalienable rights it simply isn't up to Twitter or Elon that we be grated free speech & related rights. If the constitution has been truly shredded we need to move on and create another one based on the first. It'a a pretty good document. How can a "con man" be a person to root for?
You never saw The Music Man or Catch Me if You Can?
Many films, songs, and works of literature deal with this subject. The cons we root for in these however are in some way related to a character making just moral decisions against an authoritarian and oppressive force. Our art tends not to celebrate con artists who are acting against the good of we the people.
This subject can quickly become a moral jungle however. Full of gray areas, lol. As someone said "Welcome to the jungle."
He's a blood sucker IMHO. Everything he does involves truckloads of taxpayers money given to him by friendly politicians. No one gives me anything!
Maybe you do not deserve anything.
And the millions he gives the WEF. He's a textbook traitor.
No mention on this transaction anywhere worth reading. That includes here.
Let's keep that secret so people don't read, look at the pics and weep. Funny that the creators of Conspiracy Theory now operate under the darkness of the bubble. On some accounts we are all CIA Operatives. And perhaps there really is a good guy department working the escalators when the cleaning crew arrives.
Gallows humor, lol. It is a very concerning that those of us who discuss these subjects are regarded as Conspiracy Theorists. Strange though that it is we CT's, who have first raised issues initially dubbed Conspiracy theories and now proven to be true or under major consideration by the general public and major media
Here's good link on only some of the reasons we're regarded as mentally ill radicals:
https://theconversation.com/theres-a-conspiracy-theory-that-the-cia-invented-the-term-conspiracy-theory-heres-why-132117
More truthful and rational is the view that in a time of ruthless censorship, that it is precisely free speech, guaranteed by the Constitution, that we need . An authoritarian state always inhibits free speech.
Musk is a multi billionaire because he has been shrewd enough to manipulate all the various governmental systems he has been involved with to his own personal advantage, including all the freebies. Biden et al caterwaul ad nauseum about the uber rich needing to pay their fair share, but the fact is, Biden and cronies over the decades created a tax system to advantage the rich so they themselves could take advantage of all the tax loopholes (and they most certainly DO), and people like Bezos and Musk used the very same available tricks and loopholes. Not a single rich elite would actually volunteer to PAY extra taxes they could legally get away with not paying. No way. It's all talking points. Very transparent.
Correct. It can cut the other way too. Shortly after George Floyd's death, Yahoo shut down their comment section. People were very angry at the rioters, and not buying the official narrative. By eliminating comments, the narrative advances, unopposed. Atomization of the masses is a large part off our "elite's" ongoing revolution.
Any news site without comments is 100% worthless.
Same with Xiden. There's a 2.5 minute video of someone going through his followers and one after a other, they're fake accounts that say they have no followers and no comments. How can they follow Xiden if their account says they're not following anybody? 🤔
“Nothing Can come of nothing” Will Shakespeare
I laughed at the idea Xiden has followers, let alone as many as they claim. He had virtually no one attending his very few campaign events, so it's ludicrous to buy into the idea he has a lot of followers! Not even grandma followers! Ha!
An epic insult to us grandmas, lol. Any self-respecting grandma who follows Uncle Fritz was never a real woman and certainly wouldn't make a real grandma.
The fake accounts typically have no followers, which is unusual because a real person will usually pick up a few just from interacting with other real people on unrelated topics.
I doubt that. I’m no expert, but I’ve read that ‘bots’ are programmed w algorithms to retweet and interact w legit accounts. A lot of times I got the sense that an interaction was a little off target, not quite grasping my point, and then I would see many other examples of that in that account’s feed. A lot of these suspect accounts have thousands of followers.
Those kinds of bot accounts initiate the "following," and real human beings might briefly scan to make sure there is nothing offensive such as pornography before following back, motivated by a vague sense of obligation.
By contrast, the sort of bots used to boost the apparent popularity of politicians usually only follow that one individual, and so have no 'courtesy' followers.
"Social media", "social justice", two phrases that have destroyed the meaning of both words of the phrase.
In his book, The Fatal Conceit, Friedrich Hayek described the word "Social" as a "weasel word" that sucks all the meaning out of any term connected to it, based on the old superstition that weasels could drain the contents of an egg while leaving it looking intact.
Wow. Maybe this was Musk's plan all along. To expose Twitter BS. Maybe he doesn't and never actually wanted to own it.
My impression of his conduct, at least the public conduct, on this matter is that he has cleared the ground for a devaluation of Twitter one way or another. The company is in turmoil and now being tempted to make a deal to have some kind of an out. The valuation was always speculative and inflated; now it is being tested on the fundamentals of their business model. Carefully cultivated perception kept them enriched and growing as a near-monopoloy; and altered perception may become their undoing which would include encouraging competitors on all fronts.
Yup, he put the boots to Twitter.
If it turns out more than 5% are bots, and it looks like a lot more, not only is this deal off, the stock will fall far and quickly.
Either he picks it up for a song or it dies. Musk wins either way.
And adding further mystery, this probably was the plan approved by "DARPA compartments" long ago. What better way to strip the cash than stock tumbling.
Jeff I think you are on to something ;-)
100% agree with you 👏🏻👏🏻
I had this thought too. Musk is definitely playing 4d chess here.
Yep! He's playing Chess while they're playing Candyland.
Good point!
I think he wants it, but he only wants to pay what it is really worth.
More than 1/5 of Twitter is fake but conservative voices are the problem? Twitter and the left suck balls. I’m embarrassed to say I once voted blue.
Not to mention the stock is yrading almost $20 beliw the bid. Musk wont pay $54 and the market will punish Twtr for lying about spam accounts this will be ugly for Twtr
Berenson v. Twitter is supremely important, regardless of whether the deal is closed or not.
Yes, yes, yes! That's why it doesn't matter what Musk does or doesn't do.
Twitter's screwed. If they have lied on their filings they have no leg to stand on. Their share price ultimately collapses unless they take whatever he offers.
Agree this is a highly likely outcome. Time will tell.
Drat, I was looking forward to Twesla.
someone demanded MySpaceX
With all the AI behind it, I doubt the board could know unless they turned it all off; and that would be bad for them. This could also be construed as possible fraud both to Musk & existing shareholders as well, making metrics seem better than they were.
Consider this: Is Facebook next? How many fake Facebook accounts?
Selling advertising based on number of users....like newspapers' circulation numbers set advertising rates.
There's an audit board that oversees newspaper circulation. Who oversees Twitter and Facebook?
Facebook is so dead you can smell it downwind.
I'll take your word for it. I deleted my account years ago.
It's the painful selfies of aging women that really make me wonder what the hell. Or young bims with their tongues stuck out. And the responses: "beautiful!" "You're so hot", "you go, girl!". Makes me think the whole platform was designed to bring out the worst in people.
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I’m not sure but my guess is they’re located in or around Washington DC.
That's interesting--I wasn't aware there's anyone auditing Facebook participation. There's plenty of fake Facebook accounts.
And don't get me started about dating apps and all the fakes and scammers there.
I wonder if there’s even anything to legitimately audit. As you say, there’s plenty of fakery out there, and that could apply to advertising revenue as well.
Need a date?
Not a chance!
Think beyond just EM. If you are say Lee's Potato Chips and they have sold you that 'this is how you reach the coveted 18-49 year old market on social media by paying us a $1,000,000 to promote your brand' and the users can't eat chips because they don't exist.... as a business owner, I am talking to my lawyer.
Edit: coveted not covered.
Exactly! It's delicious!
This was a ploy to expose operation mocking BIRD 🐦
This sounds like CLASSIC Musk: lob a grenade and see who runs for cover. A master showman!
BTW, I keep hearing people compare Musk to Thomas Edison. I submit he's more like the 21st century Howard Hughes.
Good insight.
Think about all the pension plans or other investment companies who were lied to about Twitter’s value....all the investors....fraud comes to mind.
And what vitiates everything?
I got put in timeout for calling “dr” Jill Biden a wench. Don’t you love how Twitter is looking out for us
'Wench' is the feminine form of 'wain' a derived from the word 'wean,' and is Anglo-Saxon for young adult. Dr. Jill is far from being a 'wench' on this basis, however she dresses.
Think of all the pension funds invested in Twitter who can, and should, sue them for fraud. Not a Musk fan but damn, give the dude credit for exposing Twitter without spending a dime.
I even believe 20% is still very low number I would say -n the 30% range. Advertisers have been lied to for years.
Advertisers lied to and reputations destroyed.
If Twitter pulled 5% out of thin air and stuck it in an SEC filing, then not only will Elon not have to fork over 1 billion, he can probably seek damages from Twitter. Not to mention Twitter will have filed false information that duped investors, which is criminal.
5% appears to have been decided based on a sample size of just 100.
Don't ever forget Math is racist to Twitter the elite media.
2 + 2 = Kumquat in elite speak.
Gastroenteritis is going around something the elite media is calling covid.
I don't really care but this is just business. Seen done deals collapse at last minute before, and deals that look like they blew up get put back together again. Either way, Musk was never going to save you. Maybe just a nice distraction. Who knows
I admit to being surprised at how many people immediately jumped onto the idea of Musk being the free speech savior. I was and still remain skeptical, who can know what he's really up to other than Musk himself?
I think Twitter should DIE. It is not the Public Square as touted by many. Twitter is disinformation! As the stock plummets and the SEC sees they are criminals, Musk is effectively forcing it out of the ugly shadows. #deathtotwitter First let me say that I know I don’t matter in the Twitterverse. That said, I left Twitter and my @2000 hard fought followers when they banned Trump. I set up a new account at the end of last year. I cannot get above 153 follows to save my life. They hide my comments behind the “may be offensive tag. Take a look some time at the comments behind those responses. I have yet to find offensive comments. That is where we little guys live. Existing only to read the Bluecheck liberals BS. Go get them Alex and hurry before they are no more
I always look in the Twitter sin-bin first, to find the most interesting comments.
According to it's 10-Q filing "We define mDAU as people, organizations, or other accounts who logged in or were otherwise authenticated and accessed Twitter on any given day through twitter.com, Twitter applications that are able to show ads, or paid Twitter products, including subscriptions."
"[...] there are a number of false or spam accounts in existence on our platform. We have performed an internal review of a sample of accounts and estimate that the average of false or spam accounts during the first quarter of 2022 represented fewer than 5% of our mDAU during the quarter."
Obviously showing ads to bots is worthless, so validating or amending the claim is essential to valuation. Standard due diligence.
I'd also like to know what the number was during the election, not in the political offseason.
I suspect this was Musk's strategy all along. First get the board to agree to the tender, then tank the stock with public pronouncements, then get the shareholders involved in an ugly fight over false claims on bots, causing the advertisers to revolt. In the end, Elon will buy it for half price and they will thank him for it.
You don't get to be the world's richest man by being an idiot. There are no idiot billionaires (for those who accused Trump of being an idiot). The capitalist is schooling the wokesters.
Donald Trump scored 155 points on the Standard IQ test - before it was dumbed down!
Good for Musk ..he has no weakness..he means it ..clearly stated … As much as I would like to see him owning Twitter …he’s got to stand up for himself! He just keeps getting better every day!
It has long been known that YouTube tinkers with the upvote/downvote counts and then recently, for specious reasons, YouTube deleted the downvote count altogether and made it visible only to the owner of the video. Joe Biden used to get 90% downvotes, which takes some skill and then it was documented that the counts were changed in the blink of an eye by YouTube/Google. I remember just a few weeks before the 2020 election, I'd see a Biden video and it would have maybe 50% likes but when you read the comments, you'd have to scroll through hundreds of posts to find even one person that had something positive to say about Sleepy Creepy Joe Biden. Facebook has millions of fake accounts, which isn't necessarily FB's fault but it's a reality. I had a family member that had these products he sold on the internet and his FB campaign was made up of thousands of fake FB accounts that would like his product and they all looked real. Twitter is also part of this fake news media complex that props up Weekend-at-Bernie's candidates like Joe Biden and Kamala Harris and squashes stories that outline voter fraud, vaccine deaths, the futility of masks, corruption at the CDC or Pfizer, or anything that goes against the left-wing narrative.
Not only fake accts, but US gov owned bots?
Management cooking the books a la Enron. Where is the board? This is called fraud.
Discovery in this lawsuit will be lit.
Inactive and duplicate accounts are probably 20% more…I’m sure they include my locked account in their numbers…
Unlike Netflix, @Twitter has hidden their subscriber loss through increasing BOT activity…
Great point. The growth of bots definitely hides subscriber loss
Can't say I blame him. I know 5 people who created Twitter accounts to support Musk. How many more are there like that?
I’ve never messed around much with Twitter, but the more their dirty laundry is exposed the better we all are for knowing. This can’t be good for the stock price!
Musk is going to have big problems here. The 20% figure is nonsense. If you read the methodology behind that study it's complete garbage. Amongst other things they literally define active users as users who tweet - the majority of users who simply want to follow tweets don't exist at all, as far as those guys are concerned.
Basically all Twitter spambot research is pseudo-science of a quality that makes the average COVID study look like a pinnacle of rigorous truth seeking in comparison. If he gets into lawsuits where he tries to defend himself using those sorts of papers Twitter will demolish him in about five minutes flat.
A pity. I was looking forward to a Musk-run Twitter.
Yet Twitter's own claims, in filings and in promotions to advertisers, would rely on much the same sorts of papers. Much to be revealed in the sausage making aviary. Heh, when does a bird sign?
No, they don't. Twitter's numbers aren't coming from external third party researchers, they come from their own internal analysis using access to data that others don't have (and cannot have). I realize Twitter is the 'enemy' here but they are the only ones in any position to know the true rates of spam on their platform. Nobody else has enough data access to calculate such a figure. Even Twitter's value can be wrong, because they're trying to measure something that's trying to remain hidden, but it'll certainly be way less wrong than random outsiders can manage.
Actually, Twitter has already conceded that this aspect of their fundamentals can not be known; and the only reason they do not use 3rd parties is, they say, confidentiality of user info. As if that really mattered to them. Basically, they deny neutral access to the data and, sure, that means only they have enough data access. I do not think it is correct to assert that Twitter's proferred calculation must be way less wrong than a neutral -- (who said random?) -- 3rd party agreed upon by both sides.
Twitter open sourced?
If only…..
Might you share a link to the study?
https://sparktoro.com/blog/sparktoro-followerwonk-joint-twitter-analysis-19-42-of-active-accounts-are-fake-or-spam/
Presumably the real figure is closer to 80-90% spambots
If Twitter is just a mirage of fake accounts, then someone has been keeping them afloat. Who would trade a great deal of money to control speech?
Your post is ironical, right?
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Musk is "outing" Twitter... good for him.
Elon proved how far their Elongated pinocchio noses need to stretch. He's outing their ridiculous lies. Good.
Advertisers know.
The analysts know.
Twitter's board certainly Knows.
Twitter's employees certainly Know too.
And the best part....... class action lawyers Know.
Check out @JustinTrudeau. Scroll past the blue checks and start looking at some of his 6.1M "followers". Joined May 2022 with 0 tweets. %20 bots might be even lower than Elon thinks.
If Alex is correct we’re abot to see an Elongated trial that will be musk see court TV.
A threefer!
That is really funny!
My _brief_ comment made me sound like a _court_ jester.
Bravo.
Anybody who has followed Elon Musk for a while, knew this would happen. No surprise here.
This would have more weight if you have a timestamp making the same comment when Musk first expressed interest in acquiring Twitter, or even when he made his offer.
So Musk sues Twitter directors for attempted fraud.
This entire saga is pretty fucking funny from where I sit.
What boggles my mind is if they can’t manage 20% fake/spam accounts, but have time to remove people with credibility in what they share, like you Alex, what is that truly saying? Clearly they are motivated by something or outside forces to manage things a certain way! This kind of stuff is so frustrating!
"while Twitter will sue to force him to close."
Good luck with what appears to be fraudulent public statements, SEC filings and management representations, Twitter's D&O's will have a bigger problem with shareholder suits. Twitter's audit firm may have a big problem too.
I never understood Twitter’s business model. How do you generate revenue if > 25% of the activity comes from non-existent sources?
Which means that revenue is not the main purpose.
By lying to advertisers.
lying to advertisers is the lesser issue IMO (but yes), the real issue is that it is run as a propaganda platform, financed by who knows whom
interestingly the Tweeter "truth squad" did not ban the fake accounts.
Ah well, the bots were, um, "mostly true" accounts, you see...yes, that's it!
/Fact-checker
Can you say "Bait & Switch" boys and girls? I knew you could - Mr Rogers
Force them to reveal company crushing info with a buy offer? If so very well played Mr Musk, very well played indeed.
Again Musk WINS in the court of Public opinion. The exposure is priceless
TWTR-the-business: eliminate half your content because "insurrection", and then charge your actual customer-advertisers to show ads to a bunch of bots. Thanks for the reveal, Elon.
Part of the game
I have a question regarding these bots. I am not a tech nerd. Should they be viewed as AI? If so, then, is the promise of AI an empty one?
twitter bots are usually simple scripts that post a pre-defined response/set of responses to trigger words; or just post random stuff up.
I wouldn't consider it AI, but it's about on par with the twitterati in intelligence
Barely more advanced than ELIZA.
Thanks.
Alex please get this story out. People need to be contacting their state reps. This is literally the most important story of the year. If you don’t want the WHO mandating vaccines for you and your family or calling the shots during the next health emergency people need to be contacting their state reps. https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz-states-must-pre-emptively-nullify-any-who-international-pandemic-regulations
Seems like 90+% of the responses to @pfizer tweets are making fun of Pfizer. Those are the real tweets. Not the ones posted by vaxbots, asking when they can get their 6 month olds shot up.
Hmmm this Twitter buyout /fight and resulting scrutiny could bring surprising benefit
This company is not worth $40+B. It was frothed up on market liquidity and artificially low interest rates. New times are coming. Musk is smart.
Musk was never sincere. It was hopium all along. That's his role in the script.
I often characterize myself as "barely across the digital divide" and even I know that social media fully has the capability to verify whether users are real persons. Come on! This revelation about Twitter could be grounds for "no-brainer regulation" that Big Tech clean out its sites, one would hope.
If they haven't already, they'll NDA Elon or his henchmen and show their work. Elon will then make a rational business decision. If their work supports their disclosures Elon will find a way to back down. If it doesn't, he'll press for a discount. Their private data supporting their claims will come out in any lawsuit to force Elon to close the deal or pay the break fee. If their reporting is optimistic but close to the "truth" reflected in their private data, it's in everyone's interest to knock a few bucks off the sales price and close the deal. If they've been completely lying to the SEC and public, maybe Elon ices the deal and hopes Parag gets hauled away in cuffs for investor fraud. Elizabeth Holmes.
Elon is too smart to allow a genuine misunderstanding to cause him to walk away from the deal, only to lose the break fee case in court when the judge and jury see the same private data he will see now.
This is just full-court-press public M&A. When no White Knight emerged during the bid process, it became clear to Elon that he had the whip hand. Now he's using his advantage to score a few bucks, rather than let it slip away unused.