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All of this is a head fake. None of it is legal. they're lying about the FDA authorizations, they're lying when they say you cannot use religious or health exemptions. They. Are. Lying. Do not fall for their lies. As far as Biden's "mandate", Robert Barnes has stated repeatedly that it's a testing mandate, not a vaccine mandate. There's a reason OSHA hasn't moved to write any guidelines. If and when they do, the millions of people coerced into allowing themselves to be violated because they thought they had no other options, will see just how badly they've been deceived. Fight the damn mandates, people.

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All the big corporations on Team Administrative State have gotten the memo and are doing Biden's dirty work for him. "Never write when you can speak, never speak when you can nod, never nod when you can wink." And never issue a rule when you can just bully your legions of corporate toadies into something.

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Wonder if the opposite will work. Filing an OSHA safety complaint against vaccinated employees for being silent spreaders?

https://www.osha.gov/workers/file-complaint

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Lawyers will have fun suing those woke corporations for the chronic health problems caused by their policies to force all employees, even those previously infected, to get the vaccine. I have two friends... both got covid, recovered and then got the vaccine on recommendation from their doctor and both have life-threatening heart muscle damage now. They were both completely healthy with zero history of heart disease in their families.

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Reading the stress that this BS is putting on people to play Russian roulette with this jab or lose their livelihoods & means to support their family is heartbreaking. This is Evil. This Administration is beyond contemptible.

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No VAX has been FDA approved! Why is no one saying this beside Sen Ron Johnson?

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I call it "outsourcing fascism" because that's what it is. My wife's about to be fired, and I'm damn lucky I haven't been. Yet. We know we can find other jobs... but we're taking care of the one body we've been issued. Ain't no replacing those.

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An update for Washington State Employee Mandate - Yesterday was the last day to get vaxxed in time to meet Oct. 18 deadline. Latest numbers - 32% of state patrol is UNVAXXED. 37% of state workers overall UNVAXXED. The implications of this are staggering on the basic functional capacity.

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I continue to say...is every company going to fire their ENTIRE workforce? People have to start acting like a union and band together. JUST SAY NO - everyone!!! (if you feel you are being coerced, otherwise take the vaccine if you already have not and you WANT it). This is exactly what makes unions so powerful...the thought of losing an entire workforce sector. I for one would not cross "this picket line". I would stand with my brother in arms.

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From my perspective as a retired surgeon, the federal government, employers ,state and local governments including school boards have not given the public standard of care informed consent regarding the “vaccination”. How can the risks,benefits and reasonable expectations be explained for a “vaccine “ based on never before utilized mRNA technology and bogusly based 6 month clinical trials ? The drug companies utilized “relative” rather than “ absolute “ statistical data (no p-value significance) and then blew up the trial data by giving the controls the “vaccine”.

Class action lawsuits should be based on criminal violations of lack of informed consent in federal court. Thousands have been harmed or injured. Courts have to hear these cases. Just find lawyers who are willing to put their reputations and livelihood on the line.

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Whitmer did that in Michigan, giving the DHS the task of doing her bidding. People need to keep resisting as much as possible, it does move things. She recently agreed to a budget that included no mandates, mask or vaccines (we still have a Republican leg.). She has been quiet. It seems that she doesn't have the cakewalk re election bid she thought she would. The last year has been a huge waste of resources and time to very little return if any. My gut says it was a net loss.

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Corporate in-house lawyer here, you're confusing different parts of the EO. The big newsmaker was of course the private employer mandate, which is supposed to be an OSHA rule, and yes, they haven't issued it yet. Until that happens, nothing really changes for most people. But at the same time he also issued directives that covered federal contractors, and they are actually more stringent (no option for testing intead of vaxxing). My organization is not covered by that, so I haven't followed the roll-out as closely, but it seems to be moving forward.

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I work for a sub-contractor to the Dept. of Energy. They are requiring all employees get vaccinated or they will consider us to have resigned. No option for testing either. I work remotely and have been to my office 6 times in 20 months. This is crazy.

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Still going to be extremely disgusted by lawyers who are not standing up right now for peoples rights if they jump on board and sue after people have had some sort of side effects from the vaccine. They are probably sitting back and salivating waiting for people to have bad outcomes so they can make money off of it. We need a list of lawyers who are actively working against these mandates… Those would be the only ones I would want to make any money off of this.

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“Mandating by bluffing” sums it up perfectly. There is no Biden EO and there never will be. Same regarding any OSHA Rule making. They know these mandates are unconstitutional and will never standup in Court. They wanted the private sector to enforce mandates and hope that enough people believe that Biden’s speech was an “order” unto itself.

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I’ll let myself be fired if my company mandates it. I’ve got a close friend whose law firm is just waiting for the opportunity to sue my employer.

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I tend to agree that there are a significant amount of lies and disinformation out there.

My company works for many Fortune 100 companies in Silicon Valley, and our employees are posted to their campuses due to the nature of our work. Recently, several Silicon Valley customers have told us they'll require us (as a company) to provide them with a list of the vaccination status of any employee posted to their campus.

In conversations with their lawyers, they've assured me that HIPAA and the ADA do not apply to the vaccination status of our employees. We can disclose that without fear of liability, they claimed. But, when asked for authority to support this, they cannot point to anything. There are local orders in Santa Clara County requiring them to ascertain the vaccination status of all "personnel" on their premises. But, there's nothing that relieves an employer of the confidentiality obligations under HIPAA and the ADA.

So, when I asked them to indemnify our company against the class actions for improper disclosure of medical exams (since they were so confident that HIPAA and ADA did not apply), the conversation died as did the requirement that we tattle on our employees. Not a good business strategy in most instances but better than facing a class action.

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Sundance at Conservative Treehouse noticed within days of Xiden's announcement that OSHA had not initiated the process for requiring vax in companies with 100+ employees. It appeared to be just a fig leaf for companies that wanted to require the vax.

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They’ve covered all their bases with this “mandate”. And unfortunately I live in an employment at will state. Republicans are absolutely useless. I did see a lawyer on social media who stated that if you’re mandated, and you suffer an injury, demand your employer fill out an OSHA 300 and go from there. She states that they actually will be liable. I guess we’ll see soon enough.

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Maybe the administration wants to delay another public failure for a while. Even their fiercest cheerleaders are starting to notice the persistent incompetence.

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How can OSHA regulate those govt contractors who work only from home?

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I was the Co chair of the patient and family advocacy counsel(a volunteer) and the hospital told me that our governor told them that the mandate extends to volunteers and I would have to step down by the first if I don't get vaccinated. 90% of the work is virtual on zoom. As co chair I not only fight for better outcomes for patients, I fight for patients rights so while my rights are being violated I will no longer be able to fight for patient rights. To top it off, I am a longterm patient at this hospital so i am physically there every month for appointments and treatments.

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Alex: If there is no official order, how does this impact the millions of workers who have taken the vax to keep their job or already been fired for refusing? Also, since the only FDA approved vaccine (Cormidy?) is not yet available in the U.S., how can people be forced to receive an experimental vaccine? Most everyone involved in this tyranny has been given immunity from any legal repercussions. Would that include employers who are requiring a non-approved vaccine as a condition of employment?

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Don’t forget Southwest Air. We got the email yesterday that the government is our biggest contract and that makes us government contractors — required to get the shot or file an exemption which they will grant in ‘limited’ way, whatever that means. Sure wish one of the CEOs of these big companies had the balls to say no to this. But, as Tucker Carlson said, “Where are all the men?” As is, we will be fired. We’ve had covid. We have medical reasons for refusing. We have religious reasons for refusing. And the first moderna shot almost killed my father in law. Our broken hearts will heal but vaccine injured bodies don’t.

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My emp[oyer is now requiring all US employees to upload their vaccination cards. It goes to a third-party company, ServiceNow database, https://www.servicenow.com/company/media/press-room/servicenow-cisco-enhance-contact-tracing.html where our company can contact trace people. This is all in the guise according to our CEO that people in our company want to know who is vaccinated and who isn't. As if it makes a difference, both vac and non-vac can pass the virus, insanity at its finest. Plus our CEO states that there may be"real implications" for our company if we don't comply on a Federal level. I see it as the backdoor to a national registry. When will it ever become a civil rights violation? We need GDPR laws in the US to protect our data ASAP!

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The Leviathan isn't going to get smaller. It's not going to regulate itself or give an ounce of its power. But it's also inflexible, careening, and incapable of changing course. We are flexible. We're wasting our time trying to reign in Leviathan. We need our own p to p economy, transportation, institutions, and media. For this, we need to gather physically in the same space.

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Here's a question - at this point I'm starting to wonder if it's worth it to uproot my family and move to a red state (we are in Washington). What do you guys think? It seems that the feds are squeezing even companies that ordinarily would be willing to hire unvaxxed by threatening big fines.

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Choose Your Own Adventure w/an Etch A Sketch admin.

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If we all stood up and politely told them to shove it, what are they going to do? Fire their whole work force or terminate the whole armed forces? Just say NO!

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the threat of the osha requirement has worked as well as if the commander-in-creep had issued an executive order so there is no need for him to do so...

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This is the most intelligent group of people on the internet. I really enjoy reading the comments, makes me feel sane in an insane world.

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Requiring workers to be vaccinated or lose their job is EVIL! Feed your family or starve?? They won’t stop at 2 doses though, continual boosters will be mandated as condition of employment….as well as vaccine pass to participate in really anything. It’s coming! Diabolical

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Where is OSHA on the 4,000+ US deaths related to the vaccine side effects ? Not to mention the many more with long term injuries .... insane ????

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Go 1099.

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This is the guidance document that was sent to our company (even though not Federal worker we fall under the contracts 'somehow'): https://www.saferfederalworkforce.gov/downloads/Draft%20contractor%20guidance%20doc_20210922.pdf

No guidelines yet on exemptions - I need this order NOT to go through!

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Florida lawyer Jeff Childers succeeded in getting an injunction against the City of Gainesville's employee vaccine mandate. Jacobson is misunderstood and/or misrepresented by most, he argues.

Here's the template for lawyers willing to challenge the constitutionality of these mandates elsewhere:

Podcast discussion: https://pca.st/episode/9d306781-400d-4350-ba76-d6afc00c34fa

His Substack: https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/-coffee-and-covid-tuesday-september-c3b

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Yeah starving people by putting them out of work or essentially putting their lives at risk for a pretty much useless vax. Even if there isn't anything nefarious behind this push - they have made it seem nefarious by the way they are acting (full disclosure I think there is something nefarious behind their actions).

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He knows it will get smashed down in front of the courts ASAP so he's 'lying' for as long as he can to 'encourage' people to get the shots.

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It's all manipulation and utterly devoid of scientific basis, as people who read know.

Sept 9 2021: https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007/s10654-021-00808-7.pdf

"At the country-level, there appears to be no discernable relationship between percentage of population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases in the last 7 days (Fig. 1). In fact, the trend line suggests a marginally positive association such that countries with higher percentage of population fully vaccinated have higher COVID-19 cases per 1 million peo- ple. Notably, Israel with over 60% of their population fully vaccinated had the highest COVID-19 cases per 1 million people in the last 7 days. The lack of a meaningful asso- ciation between percentage population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases is further exemplified, for instance, by comparison of Iceland and Portugal. Both countries have over 75% of their population fully vaccinated and have more COVID-19 cases per 1 million people than countries such as Vietnam and South Africa that have around 10% of their population fully vaccinated.

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It was a head fake to give Dem corporate donors the greenlight to implement his tyranny by proxy. just as the media censors people who hold views the gubmint considers wrongthink, so the gubmint doesn't have to. Lawfare 101.

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I suggest you visit the OSHA website regarding Covid and vaccine safety just to confirm for yourself:

https://www.osha.gov/coronavirus/faqs#vaccine

But for those who don’t, here ya go:

DOL and OSHA, as well as other federal agencies, are working diligently to encourage COVID-19 vaccinations. OSHA does not wish to have any appearance of discouraging workers from receiving COVID-19 vaccination, and also does not wish to disincentivize employers' vaccination efforts. As a result, OSHA will not enforce 29 CFR 1904's recording requirements to require any employers to record worker side effects from COVID-19 vaccination at least through May 2022. We will reevaluate the agency’s position at that time to determine the best course of action moving forward.

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I wouldn't call it "dark brilliance", that gives them too much credit. More like "malevolent conniving" or "reckless willful lying"

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Pritzker is trying the exact same thing in Illinois. He’s ‘washing his hands’ by letting the IDPH create the rules. Testing twice a week for the unvaccinated now required.

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I'm a lawyer and none of this looks legal to me. But we're in different times. I'm not convinced that anyone in this administration cares one whit about legality or constitutionality.

You might have different rights, depending not only on whether your employer is a public or private entity, and on where you reside.

I'm not an employment lawyer and won't offer advice, but a bit of common sense goes a long way if you find yourself in the predicament in which your job is being threatened for noncompliance. What would I do in this situation? I would demand to be provided any written policies. I would demand that every communication from the employer on the mandate be put in writing, and put mine in writing as well. I would apply for any applicable exemptions. (I would not lie; that could give them a reason to terminate later on.) I would seek a medical evaluation and/or testing to establish baseline health status. I'd get tested again after the shots. I'd ask the employer for reimbursement of any co-pays or expenses for being medically evaluated. Above all, I would communicate unequivocably and in writing that I am submitting solely because they have required it. If I want to keep my job, I would not under any circumstances resign. If terminated, I'd demand a written notice of termination. And I'd then get a good plaintiff's employment lawyer, if you haven't already.

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If he hasn’t actually issued one, then don’t remind him!

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Thanks Alex. Our State Attorney General recently spoke at a local event in SC and was pressed on when he was going to bring forth his legal opinion against Biden's vaccine mandate. We were let in on a dirty little secret. There is no legal mandate to date, and therefore there can't be a lawsuit against just mere words spoken at a Press conference. This is just the 'perception' of a mandate. Right now all of the private companies are enforcing this 'mandate' of their own accord because they were coerced by the POTUS to do so. This is just further evidence of the government overreaching and manipulating the American people that there is a law that they actually have no authority to enforce (CDC evictions anyone). It won't stop here. We have to work together and continue to hold up the Truth. The law is only for those who follow the law. Right now the current administration is willing to do things they know will only get them a slap on the wrist, but they're doing a lot of harm in the meantime.

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Here's a clue (read this twice):

"OSHA has previously indicated that reactions to a COVID-19 vaccination are not recordable under 29 C.F.R. Part 1904, at least for now:

"OSHA does not wish to have any appearance of discouraging workers from receiving COVID-19 vaccination, and also does not wish to disincentivize employers’ vaccination efforts. As a result, OSHA will not enforce 29 CFR 1904’s recording requirements to require any employers to record worker side effects from COVID-19 vaccination at least through May 2022.

https://www.bdlaw.com/publications/prepare-now-for-a-new-osha-emergency-temporary-standard-on-covid-19/

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NEXT-

NATIONAL ANXIETY EPIDEMIC

Everyone must take XANAX daily or lose a job.

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When government "gives" anything to any person, group or country, it will make demands on what it wants in return. Government can (and will) change the rules after the dependent entity becomes totally dependent.

"Social Security" was a socialist agenda from its inception, crafted by the socialist organization, the "International Labor Organization" (ILO). Read, "The Making of the New Deal - The Insiders Speak": "There are probably about two people in the country who know that the legislation for the Social Security system ... were done with the technical assistance of the ILO." (First major step in total population control).

Title 42 U.S.C. 666, imposed mandatory submission of social security number as a condition for any form of license to engage in business or travel. (Second major step).

Title 42 U.S.C 666, penalties for failing to comply with OSHA regulations (now being used to compel compliance with vaccine mandate). (Third major step).

The next and ongoing step is to give everyone a standard, universal identification number (code or marker) that will be used to verify not only vaccine status but the status of individual compliance with all other edicts and mandates.

"The quest to give everyone in the world a form of identification—a digital form, inevitably—has gathered energy over the past decade. In 2014 the World Bank launched Identification for Development, or ID4D, a program that aims to improve access to the bank’s resources in areas such as health, financial inclusion, and social welfare."

https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2020-covid-vaccine-tracking-biometric/

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It's a giant game of chicken Dr. McCullough says.

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