Okay, so this article from Sept. 14 suggests the Occupational Health and Safety Administration will issue its own order - a so-called “Emergency Temporary Standard."
“President Biden has the authority to direct OSHA to develop an ETS without issuing an executive order.”
In place of an OSHA mandate that might not survive court review, the administration appears to be trying to use a backdoor plan by having agencies require both contractors and SUBCONTRACTORS to meet Biden’s federal employee vaccine requirement (which he HAS issued as an executive order) - I got an email about this yesterday, and it is the reason JetBlue and American have given for requiring employee vaccines.
The dark brilliance of administrative state authoritarians.
The email:
My husband works for a large government contractor… The Department of Energy just slipped in a contract modification stating the 90% of workforce had to be vaccinated…this includes subcontractors that are often small businesses with less than 100 employees.
All of this is a head fake. None of it is legal. they're lying about the FDA authorizations, they're lying when they say you cannot use religious or health exemptions. They. Are. Lying. Do not fall for their lies. As far as Biden's "mandate", Robert Barnes has stated repeatedly that it's a testing mandate, not a vaccine mandate. There's a reason OSHA hasn't moved to write any guidelines. If and when they do, the millions of people coerced into allowing themselves to be violated because they thought they had no other options, will see just how badly they've been deceived. Fight the damn mandates, people.
Yes, and finally a concerned member of our legislative branch of government has spoken the truth. Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin was on Fox recently and told the real story of Pfizer-BioNTech's FDA approval. The FDA only approved BioNTech's version of the "vaccine", Comirnaty. At the time, July, I believe, it was not even available in the U.S. The Pfizer version was, and still is under EUA. No one from Pfizer, the medical field or the government has bothered to tell the general public, so people think they are getting an FDA approved drug. Senator Johnson was the only one who even entertained the notion of alternative treatments for Covid, i.e., Ivermectin, Hydroxychloroquine. He is getting a lot of backlash for standing up for our right to choose. God Bless him!
No, I haven't seen that. I would love to. All I have seen is J&J asking the FDA for approval for a booster shot from another "vaccine that was supposed to require just one jab. We have to stick together. First and foremost for me, this is another abortion-tainted concoction, secondly it is not safe, and thirdly, it is violating our First Amendment rights. Since you are a doctor, you know this so-called "virus" doesn't even meet the criteria for a vaccine. You are absolutely right. Biden has to get his agenda completed to depopulate the country, kill off the elderly, make infertility a prime objective, and turn the Government totally Socialist/Communist by 2022. I am a senior citizen and in a high-risk group. I take all the precautions I can, but my faith and fate are in God's hands
Interesting, Pam, that Old Man Biden wants to kill off the elderly since he is 78. If true, why did Biden take a Booster on national TV? Many suspect, including Joe Rogan, that his whole charade of getting a real Booster was faked.
I believe that was a placebo shot. I don't think his administration would risk him having an adverse reaction in front of the whole country. The set set was faked to look like the Oval Office. I truly believe that these gene-altering fake vaccines are meant to decrease the world population, both by accelerating the death of the elderly, of which I am one, and causing infertility, miscarriages and stillborns. Archbishop Vigano recently released a statement that this is a concerted global effort, and he was speaking specifically of the fertility and abortion issues.
Its a strategical strike to roll out the mandate incrementally and in a way that is not going to get shut down in total by a court. Phase 1 you push mandate with no test option or exemptions to federal contractors and agencies where Biden/The Feds have unquestionable rule over. Next you tell bit don't yet put into writing officially that private companies must do mandate or expensive testing under threat of monetary penalization. At this point you do a wait and see. See how much of the private sector will comply with just the threat and nothing in writing. At this stage the Feds are unlikely to get the mandate overturned in court. After 6-12 months you will have had a sizeable percent of the private sector do the mandate without anything in writing to make it official. At this point depending on success level you either threaten again if not enough have implemented the mandate or put it in writing if enough have. Biden is less concerned about a court loss bc he's gotten buy-in from many private companies. The goal is to set that precedent that the Federal Government can without a legislative act, mandate medicating if the public.
The way Government creates new powers for itself is by using precedent. Sure it can still get challenged but once they get that precedent it's much harder to take back from the government that new power. Courts do the same thing, create rights or powers thru precedent in rulings. Its a disgusting and IMO unconstitutional thing but they've done it so much for so long that it can't be stopped so it's important to not let the government get that precedent.
Spot on! people are caving too early. Going along with this crap is like an unwritten contract that you agree to government control over your lives. Period. Not just vaccines. I’m most angry at the MSM and Social Media for their involvement in all this. And now Newsom is getting away with his mandates on jabbing kids which literally has me sick to my stomach and not sleeping at night.
Well they went with the mask mandates without question of effectiveness - they just complied. And it had the same argument - 'even though I am wearing a mask you must wear a mask to protect me' otherwise you are selfish. Now its 'even though I am vaxxed you must get vaxxed to protect me' or otherwise you are selfish. How many more Freedoms are we going to surrender to the 'do this or else you are selfish' (and we will make you pay for being selfish) argument.
Yes WHY do we still let them yank our chains. There isnt an instance along the way where they haven't LIED-- ignore them. Remember Alex not wearing (unintentionally) a mask because he forgot. Lets ALL forget ALL their "directions for our safety" (SIC)
Everyone is telling themselves that this is all "about controlling the virus" and all these mandates will go away when it's under control. The notion that this is a slippery slope to tyranny is a joke to them. We will see.
Exactly. There is no end to the "variants" they can uncover(computer models only-all of them) and blame on the unvaccinated. And even then, if Pfizer needs a stock price increase, they'll suddenly see the need for another booster.
And that is why China hasn’t broken down citizens’ doors. We can never give up our guns. That is the only reason we haven’t had a physical Chinese attack. We are the most armed citizenry in the world. B
It was working but has worn off. I may need to switch things up a bit (I am actually a certified health coach and finally got my health as about back on track as possible, but all of what’s happening is too much to ignore!). I am trying to read more and knit to relieve the stress - it does help some 🤷♀️
I'm no lawyer, but isn't that a perversion of justice? The Government is pulling levers to ensure it gets done what it wants done (force vax on people) when in fact, they have been conferred no legal powers to do so. Is there any competent court in US to issue an injunction to stop the Government unlawfully using these coercive powers?
The Feds have been providing liability protection to the Pharmaceutical companies since the 80's for any childhood vaccine and ever since they did that the number of childhood vaccines has skyrocketed yet if you say their may be a profit motivation behind why so many vaccines were created and added to the mandatory childhood vaccine schedule that your called an anti-vaxxer and or conspiracy theorist
Convinced that the epidemic of childhood-onset diabetes (Type 1) is the result of childhood vaccinations. Type 1 diabetes is caused by the bodies own immune system destroying the insulin producing cells (in children).
Yep and if you bring that up they'll call you an anti-vaxxer and say "Correlation doesn't equal causation"; that's a favorite of the vaccine zealotry. My family believe in traditional vaccines like for polio, measels and so on but any of the newer stuff especially if it looks like its been made for profit reasons, we stay away from it. We homeschool too so we can afford to tell the state to take their childhood vaccine schedule and shove it.
The polio vaccine has caused a lot of misery in the world--I'm not talking about the Salk dead virus injectable vaccine, even with the improperly inactivated batch from one producer at first, and other batches contamination with a simian virus, which hasn't been proved to have caused cancer in humans. I'm talking about the live weakened Sabin oral polio vaccine, given in the United States from 1960 to 2000. In India, from 2000 to 2017 that vaccine has caused 491,000 cases of non-polio acute flaccid paralysis (NPAFP): https://www.scidev.net/asia-pacific/news/oral-polio-drops-linked-to-paralysis-in-india/
And this is aside from outright cases of polio from the vaccine reconstituting itself in the gut and infecting the recipients and other people and creating new strains. That's almost 500,000 people suffering various degrees of paralysis from the vaccine in India, and you can imagine how many people suffered similar effects in United States over 40 years that weren't acknowledged because the doctors weren't looking for them or connecting the symptoms to the vaccine or polio, so they got misdiagnosed as other neurological problems, such as chronic fatigue syndrome, Tourette syndrome, dystonia, anxiety, etc. and often made worse by the improper treatment.
That’s how I feel. This is the first vaccine I’ve refused. After getting sick from every flu shot I’ve ever had with the last one leaving me ill and impossible to work full time, I won’t be taking any more unless the long term safety data can prove it’s actually safe. You’re so lucky you’re able to homeschool. It’s so hard for many parents to do, but hope more try. I’m so glad I no longer have school age children, but I worry for those who do and my future grandchildren.
Just looked at my young teenagers shot records, 37 shots of various vaccines throughout their young years of development! This has Nothing. To. Do. With. Health!!!
You can never ever inject your way to health. You can't inject disease into a person and expect health. Vaccines are the biggest fraud of all time, based on faulty germ theory by a priesthood of virologists who tell us only they can see these invisible invaders and only they know how to stop them.
Yes--it has always been Pharma making money on our immune systems. The Military and Nazi Germany beginnings of both Pharma and Public Health are breathtaking. They lie. They kill.
Wow! My daughter was born in 89 and she’s had as many or less than what was even required when I was a kid so it’s probably 12 or less total till now. I had no idea kids were getting so many!
That's unfortunate to hear about Supreme Court. In my mind, a case like that would be a landmark one. I doubt though that the Supreme Court would decide against it, because that would pretty much contradict the Nuremberg Court rulings on Nazi doctors, and would become a dangerous precedent. Anyhow, again, I'm no lawyer, but if I were one, I'd be happy to work pro-bono on that, because there is no greater cause at our lifetime.
yup-- hence Brett Kavanaugh's current state. Like what happened to Boris Johnson (PM - UK). Its a warning shot 😊 Its like waking up and finding a horse head in your bed or a dead woman.
It’s kind of like a twisted take on the old adage of “Ask for forgiveness not approval”. Biden and his cronies will continue to push the envelope just like they did with the illegal extension of eviction moratorium‘s. He used the CDC to issue something that would not hold up and got two more months of what he wanted before a court stepped in and said it was illegal.
That is the government way, just do it and if its not something you have the right/power to do then good luck to whatever citizen is willing to spend a lot of money taking the Feds to court. The Feds know that as long as they don't raise the ire of the wealthy its unlikely any regular citizen will challenge them because they can't afford to.
Even when you win a case against the govt, they ignore the ruling. The FDA was sued, lost and were ordered to pay fines and change policy. They did neither. Read The Rise of Tyranny. Agencies that supposedly have no power to make law, routinely make decrees that congress then ignores or refuses to challenge so as not to upset their backers like Big Pharma.
In my profession, we choose "substance over form". In substance, the Government is doing the evil deeds they want to, so it's way past approval, as far as I can see.
"About six in 10 Americans support vaccination requirements for federal government workers, employees of large companies, and workers at hospitals that receive federal healthcare funds."
"For unvaccinated hospitalization risk, 2% of Democrats responded correctly, compared with 16% of Republicans. In fact, 41% of Democrats replied that at least 50% of unvaccinated people have been hospitalized due to COVID-19."
We read Berenson and other "skeptical" sources. Most people get their COVID news from MSM, their doctors, and their friends. To hear the MSM tell it, we're in the grip of a deadly pandemic that threatens to kill us all, and our leaders are working feverishly (pun intended) to save us from it.
People are scared. Many are terrified of a COVID diagnosis. This is the reality we're up against.
I saw that article and was very shocked by it and angered. Reading it was like the nail in the coffin. The majority has been duped by msm and social media. They are too lazy to do their own research. They’ve lost their critical thinking abilities or maybe they never had any as I do recall learning in school and some just didn’t have the knack for it.
I don't really trust these polls. I read about them, but I've not been asked to participate in one for literally years and neither have any of my friends. Have many of you actually been polled or are they just more gas-lighting?
Problem is the large companies have already crafted policy requiring the jab. My company gave me until feb 1 to get it or be suspended for up to 60 days to reconsider. I’m in a union, the union gave the company lip service, negotiated in bad faith IMO, something they always accuse the company of doing during regular contract talks. no mobilization against it at all, no vote from the members and they accepted the policy. I plan on holding out and making them suspend me at least, then I’ll have to make the final decision to leave or not. I’m interested to see how union fights for the suspended.
Ask how they can do this when vaccinated people are getting infected? Treating unvaccinated people any different when being vaccinated does not stop the spread is in my mind a form of bigotry.
Totally agree, but not realistic. This is a religion now and the powers that be have found faith. That faith is in the vaccinations. The fact that vaccinations are failing and that natural immunity is much stronger and longer lasting means nothing. Their god (lower case on purpose) is the vaccine. Any type of talk that criticizes the vaccine is sac-religious ... You are the devil!
Its their way to cover that fact up. BUT when all the unvaccinated are out of their company who will they blame for the rising illness and COVID breakthrough cases?
The anti-Nuremberg-Coders just point to numbers that are a snapshot in time, the first few months after being fully vaxxed when people are less infectious (it blocks infection for four weeks, and is useless for that after 5-6 months). When you point that out, they say that’s why you need boosters. But the CDC recommended boosters only for retirement-age folks, not regular workforce age.
file a grievance if it isn't in your negotiated contract, make them take it all the way to arbitration ( you have that right), if you are fired they have to take it to arbitration, if enough do it the company will back down arbitration is expensive and the union and company split the cost.
Tell them that until the vaccine that you are able to get in this country is not still under emergency use authorization and you will not get an experimental injection. “Cominarty” is the product that I received full FDA approval but you cannot get it in this country because there are no supplies. It is just a bait and switch by this administration.
Offer to take the FDA approved vaccine. That is "Comirnaty" by Pfizer, which is not in production in the US. It is **LEGALLY** different than the Pfizer Biontech jab they are using now.
check that out carefully. My understanding is that the legal (ie can you sue) aspect is not fully clear at this point. And of course it can be changed at any time as you are seeing.
That's a benefit but not their goal. The goal is to set the precedent that the Federal Government can mandate medicating the public by edit alone, without any legislative act.
Well, local governments have already been mandating medicating people for many decades in the form of fluoridated water. What's to stop the government from mandating adding low levels of lithium to water supplies? A study in Texas counties with similar demographics but higher or lower levels of natural lithium in the water found that violent crimes such as murder and and rape were much lower in the counties with higher natural lithium water concentrations, although other nonviolent crimes, like burglary, shoplifting, and auto theft we're not affected.
Agree. No talk about Afghanistan at all. Also, the soldiers that were injured in the attack, and are still in the hospital. I believe there are four, were barely mentioned even in the beginning.
The administration admitted a few weeks ago that their orders might not stand up in court but in the meantime they would be coercing people into getting vaccinated.
But some people can’t lose their jobs. They have mouths to feed and need medical coverage to provide their families. It’s not easy for some to fight it.
It will be a lot easier for them to fight this than the next thing that comes down the pike. Just like it would have been a lot easier to fight against masks than vax mandates. Every day that goes by without them fighting makes the fight harder.
Absolutely and not everyone has the option to relocate. You have to decide, you have to weigh the benefits and costs. If you do get a vaccine though at least look at getting the one that's not mRNA based. I don't know if its any less dangerous than the mRNA based ones or not but at least you will have not taken a mRNA based drug.
Sadly, the only true traditional vaccine is manufactured in... Wait for it.. China. Not approved here. It is a doubly sad comment that I would trust a Chinese vaccine over those approved and manufactured here.
Exactly correct. It's all based on nothing more than threats and intimidation in the form of a presidential edict. Kim Jung-un uses the same tactic, as does China.
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All the big corporations on Team Administrative State have gotten the memo and are doing Biden's dirty work for him. "Never write when you can speak, never speak when you can nod, never nod when you can wink." And never issue a rule when you can just bully your legions of corporate toadies into something.
So spot on...big corporations are 100% in the tank on all of this. Once upon a time I ran a small business that subcontracted to large government contractors. They tried to "flow down" a contract provision that required me to randomly drug test my employees. I just said, "no". If you actually thought my employees had drug problems you wouldn't want to hire us. I pushed back out of respect for my employees. Big contractor caved. We got the subcontract and we kicked ass...why...cause I gave my employees the respect they deserved. I am thankfully now out of any business interest that relies in any way on government money...we all need to think carefully about who is paying us and what those consequences may be.
The larger the corporation the worse they tend to be. I'm a free market advocate but at the same time anti large corporation bc they always end up treating employees worse than most small to medium size businesses. We in the US don't have a truly free market and tgats by design. We have a controlled market where big players often use government connections to make it hard for competition. I believe if we had a truly free market we'd not have large international corporations like we do today. Once they grew large enough that the employees became disposable assets instead of people they wouldn't last long bc a smaller more aggressive comps6would come along and take enough of the market away from them.
Our country has a history of wealthy and powerful people using the system to ensure their own success and the non-succes if any competitor that dare challenge them
So very true and frustrating. I once dared to dive into a "political" appointment and saw what was really under the hood. It was so disturbing it caused me to do the best I could to "go Gault"
I'm a firm believer in Ayn Rand's take on how a market should work. And I believe that in a truly free/open market where competition is not artificially held back we'd not have these disgusting gigantic international corporations b/c a company of that size really can't function in a normal & healthy manner. Sure it can make money but it squeezes the life out of many lower level employees to do so not to mention the temptations a larger corporation has to take shortcuts and engage in questionable actins like using over seas child labor.
A simple "like" to your comment is inadequate. I sometimes kinda "get" why some people including my 20 something nieces and nephews are "opposed" to capitalism. It's because we don't have any true sense of it in the way Rand presented. Did we ever? I'm not sure. Possibly after the tea pot dome scandal there was a moment...?
Not all contractors are getting welfare from the government. I know an independent contractor and he definitely is not feeding off the government teeth. I can see large ones doing this and some smaller ones who use the oppression gimmick ( ie minority or woman owned business) .
Well said. I don't trust people who always want to do things verbally and refuse to also put it in writing. I've had a boss who did this, always avoiding put into writing anything that might could come back and bite him in the butt including details about some software code customization or data fix. I work in IT/Software.
Mainly because they are not being provided information and they blindly accept what is out there that is provable truth is fake news! Some conservative outlet needs to start printing out fliers with links to facts on it because of censorship and distribute like during WW1 and WWII. Sadly there will need to be an uprising (hopefully not violent but it’s a fear of mine), before some of these go-alongers wake up! People are also worn out from all of these and that’s part of the reason they are caving. They think if they just go along that life will somehow return to normal. So many of my friends are feeling that way. I’m sad I’ll be losing some of those friends but I will not back down, I just morally can’t while some feel they morally must. I get people need to keep jobs, but people still need to ask themselves, will I or my family survive if I die or suffer permanent disability when the average survival rate of this disease is about 98%?
They are chipping away at all sides. Rising costs of gas, tankers stranded in Long Beach and San Pedro for weeks with no trucks. Banking being publicly controlled with IRS goons in our wallets.
They are screwing the screws in tighter every day and there are few standing up for the average American. Ron Johnson and Rand Paul. Ron DeSantis. Where are all the members of Congress? AWOL.
Exactly! Where are they? And why aren’t the few moderate Dems speaking
Up? Do they really want this lack of freedom once they are out of office and subject to all these rules? The left always disposes of their useful idiots once they’ve achieved their goal/s
I am struck by how Conservative Christian outlets (First Things, Lifesitenews, The Stream) have seen through this ascending evil, almost from the start. The editor of First Things, RR Reno, fended off calls for his scalp for having the temerity to cavalierly stroll around NYC, maskless, at the start of this Covid hysteria.
My frustration with Mr. Berenson's otherwise outstanding coverage of this ongoing tragedy has been his inability or unwillingness to tie all the threads together. Conspiracies really do happen. To wave these despotic, evil actions by world politicians off as the blunderings of ignorant, attention-seeking officials is wrong, I believe. We are in the midst of an evil rivaling that of Stalin, Hitler, and Mao, I fear.
Former VP of R&D at Pfizer, Dr. Mike Yeadon, claims to have evidence of a conspiracy for mass depopulation. If one was to go about implementing such a program, it would look an awful lot like what's been going on.
That's a very real possibility! I watched a video the other day with Dr. Malone and Dr. Vanden Bossche and they explained why. This was new to me, so bear with me if you already know this. They say that the shots reduce symptoms, sickness and death in the infected - and very little else. That means, the injected and infected are continuing with their daily lives, unaware that they are sick and spreading a disease they can't even tell that they have.
Exactly. The vaxxed are the more dangerous but bc there us a billion dollar global covid vaccine marketing campaign behind thus with buy-in from the media, bigtech, the entertainment industry and international corporations the widely held belief that's promoted is the opposite of reality
More than that. A recent (yet to be peer reviewed or published) article on breakthrough cases in the San Fransisco Bay area (https://doi.org/10.1101/2021.08.19.21262139) and a video on Conservative Treehouse by Dr Nathan Thompson point to the stark (for the vaccinated) reality that the jabs are wreaking havoc on active immunity, which among other things attacks cancer cells. IMHO the objective is through successive boosters to keep a large percentage of the world’s population permanently immunocompromised and in need of periodic boosters and newly patented, expensive and side effects fraught antiviral, anti cancer… the list goes on… drugs. Enter boosters and Merck’s anything but safe and less than effective than ivermectin Molnupiravir and Pfizer’s PF-07321332. This while Uttar Pradesh has demolished it’s cases curve.
Yep, and there are quite a few athletes, students, etc, who have had to quarantine (although not infected) because a "vaccinated" person was infected and they were "near" them. It is documented.
That’s what I was wondering. If you could do this if there is an outbreak with Vaxxed. Or even one vaxxed person our boss is vaxxed and she had Covid very bad too.
For this reason, I’m afraid to be around the vaxxed. They are now the super spreaders. It’s why so many kids are now getting Delta right now. I limit where I shop now and eat. I’m also glad I work in a natural health store where most who work and shop there aren’t vaccinated, but I’m noticing the young ones afraid they’ll lose their jobs are getting the vaccine before it’s even been technically mandated! SMH 🤦♀️
I filed a FOIL with NYS DOH requesting any records/data/evidence that supports unvaccinated people being deemed a threat to vaccinated people. I asked what new information they had to support this new status of unvaccinated people being deemed a threat. They said they have do NOT have anything to support this. They also stated “The NYSDOH has not published studies about the variability of transmission between vaccinated and unvaccinated”. So why are we being forced to vaccinate or get fired? This mandate is not based on anything.
Lawyers will have fun suing those woke corporations for the chronic health problems caused by their policies to force all employees, even those previously infected, to get the vaccine. I have two friends... both got covid, recovered and then got the vaccine on recommendation from their doctor and both have life-threatening heart muscle damage now. They were both completely healthy with zero history of heart disease in their families.
I have lost count of how many stories like this I’m hearing. Two friends of mine have friends who were mandated to get vaccinated and are now disabled and can’t work. Yet NONE go reported so the covid zombies walk around repeating “safe and effective.”
I sometimes wonder if we are going to see where companies slowly realize their more productive and least likely to be disabled group comes from the unvaccinated group who are unvaccinated for personal reasons rather than medical reasons. Especially if boosters become required and more and more people are less functional... I don’t know. It would take a long while and longer than I suspect most people would be willing to fright back.
my son works at a local YMCA. in the last week, 2 of his employees have been rushed to the hospital with covid. both are 'fully' 'vaccinated'. i put separate quotations around those words because the goal posts have shifted(and will probably continue to shift) around what is considered 'fully' and i don't believe the 'vaccine' is a vaccine at all...
This could possibly be another step in the plan to destroy the economy in a controlled collapse. Let's say a year from now they've managed to get %80 or more to comply with vaccine but major adverse reactions become so prominent they can no longer cover it up and the vaccine is recalled. People begin suing private employers who unlike big pharma aren't protected from liability. This in turn destroys or at least severely damages many non international sized businesses. At this point Biden doesn't care the vaccine has been recalled bc they still got 2 wins. They destroyed another segment of private businesses like the lockdowns did and %80 is probably high enough to argue they were able to set the precedent that the Federal Government can mandate medicating the citizens by edicts alone, without any legislative act.
You do know that these sick corporate CEOs already figured that into their "calculations". "Instead of a brain, a cash register; instead of a heart, a bottom line." from You've got mail.
Reading the stress that this BS is putting on people to play Russian roulette with this jab or lose their livelihoods & means to support their family is heartbreaking. This is Evil. This Administration is beyond contemptible.
Plus, Walensky has now publicly stated the vaccine does not prevent infection or transmission to others. So why would any company workplace go along with a mandate? The CDC has also changed the definition of "vaccine." It no longer is defined as "preventing" infection, transmission, the spread of disease. It is now (I'm paraphrasing) intended to trigger your body's immune response.
Also, what happens when abide by a company mandate, have a life-changing adverse reaction? Aren't companies opening themselves to legal action?
It no longer is defined as "preventing" infection, transmission, the spread of disease. It is now (I'm paraphrasing) intended to trigger your body's immune response.
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This is why I'm fully vaxed with self-administered Vitamin D via sunlight.
This was my question. And the only answer I got was a that if the vaccinated are around a covid positive person they do not have to quarantine where as a unvaxxed person would have to so now they have to take off work and company has to pay. Also the unvaxxed are more likely to catch covid and be out of work. That was the answer I got. Like NYC teachers have to be vaxxed and students don’t whereas in CA students will have to be and teachers don’t. It’s all very confusing.
I teach in Calif. When FDA approves the vax for the younger students, Guv Hair Gel has mandated that the teachers be fully vaxxed or lose their jobs. Currently we are setting up to test weekly. I do not plan to comply and am saving $$$ and looking for a RED state!
People have noticed. Robert Barnes pointed that out right away and there are several (not sure how many at the moment) lawsuits currently in the court making that same point.
I call it "outsourcing fascism" because that's what it is. My wife's about to be fired, and I'm damn lucky I haven't been. Yet. We know we can find other jobs... but we're taking care of the one body we've been issued. Ain't no replacing those.
Chicago... there is no "Illinois" these days. Just an oil slick called Chicago. Can't wait to move to Michigan (I know, not that much better, but better it is) in June. At least, if the world hasn't pancaked on top of us by then.
Have you considered relocating? I know its a heck of a thing to have to do but the violations of your rights in that state are not going to end with the vaccine.
Absolutely, yes, we're moving outta here. A sparsely populated corner of Michigan has our name on it. We're going the self-employed route, too. This'll be a loooong winter spent getting our ducks in a row.
An update for Washington State Employee Mandate - Yesterday was the last day to get vaxxed in time to meet Oct. 18 deadline. Latest numbers - 32% of state patrol is UNVAXXED. 37% of state workers overall UNVAXXED. The implications of this are staggering on the basic functional capacity.
I guess as a WA resident I should be ready for complete societal collapse. Or Inslee chickens out and gives people more time or quietly makes the mandate a suggestion
I like your attitude! Plus we have a very good militia in my county (Clark) that a few friends are a part of so hopefully things won’t go too crazy around here
The purebloods (unvaxxed) will likely be the healthy ones, able to carry out most jobs. The challenge will be the exorbitant medical costs of treating the vax-injured for lifelong health problems.
I continue to say...is every company going to fire their ENTIRE workforce? People have to start acting like a union and band together. JUST SAY NO - everyone!!! (if you feel you are being coerced, otherwise take the vaccine if you already have not and you WANT it). This is exactly what makes unions so powerful...the thought of losing an entire workforce sector. I for one would not cross "this picket line". I would stand with my brother in arms.
There are still SOME things in life that cannot be automated or the public will no accept it...Technically - we don't need pilots to fly...most of it is fly by wire. Of course, if you happen to be that 1 in a million freak thing that requires a thinking person _ THEN YOU NEED A LIVING BREATHING PILOT. Now, who out there is ready to fly w/o a pilot in the cockpit?
Before retiring, I used to run a small steel fabricating business. We had some welding applications that required a high level of skill using Pulse Mig welding. Over the years, I looked at trying to automate the welding process with robotics. There did not exist, and I still don't see anything, that can replace a skilled welder. Obviously, robotic welding is used in various applications but those applications typically are easy setup jobs that don't require a high degree of human skill. The point is, robotics are still oversold in my opinion. If you doubt this, just remember the last phone call you had to an automated attendant.
From my perspective as a retired surgeon, the federal government, employers ,state and local governments including school boards have not given the public standard of care informed consent regarding the “vaccination”. How can the risks,benefits and reasonable expectations be explained for a “vaccine “ based on never before utilized mRNA technology and bogusly based 6 month clinical trials ? The drug companies utilized “relative” rather than “ absolute “ statistical data (no p-value significance) and then blew up the trial data by giving the controls the “vaccine”.
Class action lawsuits should be based on criminal violations of lack of informed consent in federal court. Thousands have been harmed or injured. Courts have to hear these cases. Just find lawyers who are willing to put their reputations and livelihood on the line.
Feds gave pharmaceutical companies protection so I doubt you can sue them no matter what the truth of the vaccine is. We can sue to get it pulled from use which would end mandates but the giant pharmaceutical companies are never going to pay anything from this.
Indemnification of a product is a different can of worms than someone performing the service of an invasive medical procedure. Those performing the procedure whether by a doctor, nurse in a company or school district are required by law to give standard of care informed medical consent to a patient or employee. Just because the drug companies are indemnified doesn’t mean that flows downstream to the provider.
My point was solely in reference to the pharmaceutical companies and they will escape any/all liability b/c of how many corrupt politicians are in Congress. As for the rest involved in this, I don't know but I imagine the Fed & State will protect the doctors and medical institutions if they were pushing the agenda.
Whitmer did that in Michigan, giving the DHS the task of doing her bidding. People need to keep resisting as much as possible, it does move things. She recently agreed to a budget that included no mandates, mask or vaccines (we still have a Republican leg.). She has been quiet. It seems that she doesn't have the cakewalk re election bid she thought she would. The last year has been a huge waste of resources and time to very little return if any. My gut says it was a net loss.
We need to vote Republican until we get majorities at state and federal level. I voted Democrat my whole life until I noticed that Republicans were the only politicians fighting for my medical freedoms. At least here in Oregon where Dems have tried to eliminate vax exemptions for the last 4 years.
And you have to keep Republicans to task also. Local politics are actually more important than people think. Last year in August, the poor northern county of Alcona, asked the governor for permission to be put in the northern hospital region and were denied. They then told people to go about their normal business and ignore the gov. She isn't in a typical coastal blue state. There are a lot of redneck type hunters and fishermen here, and we aren't know (except the trout lake Traverse City area) as a place celebrities flock to. I asked a local Republican how he got elected (high union area) and he said most people are conservative and don't know it. Truth.
Corporate in-house lawyer here, you're confusing different parts of the EO. The big newsmaker was of course the private employer mandate, which is supposed to be an OSHA rule, and yes, they haven't issued it yet. Until that happens, nothing really changes for most people. But at the same time he also issued directives that covered federal contractors, and they are actually more stringent (no option for testing intead of vaxxing). My organization is not covered by that, so I haven't followed the roll-out as closely, but it seems to be moving forward.
The rollout I’d happening. It’s being implemented in all new contracts awarded. It’s extremely stringent. Requires GC to be responsible for ensuring all subcontractors down the line are all vaxxed. Also states any person who visits our office must b vaxxed. How will this b regulars/enforced? How is the GC supposed to b responsible for all this? What about liability regarding holding medical info on ur own employees as well as other companies employees?!
Yes, ridiculous. Maybe that's the point, tyranny is when everyone is doing something illegal, and the authorities selectively and/or capriciously decide who gets targeted for prosecution.
I work for a sub-contractor to the Dept. of Energy. They are requiring all employees get vaccinated or they will consider us to have resigned. No option for testing either. I work remotely and have been to my office 6 times in 20 months. This is crazy.
The "consider us to have resigned" is so they can't be sued for wrongful termination later. You have to make them fire you if you want to be able to sue later.
Still going to be extremely disgusted by lawyers who are not standing up right now for peoples rights if they jump on board and sue after people have had some sort of side effects from the vaccine. They are probably sitting back and salivating waiting for people to have bad outcomes so they can make money off of it. We need a list of lawyers who are actively working against these mandates… Those would be the only ones I would want to make any money off of this.
So from the very start… When they flip-flopped on masks I became immediately skeptical of what was going on. Because of that skepticism I somehow came across Alex Berenson and Elgato and Ian Miller on Twitter even though I am not personally on Twitter and kept me centered knowing others were seeing what I was seeing. I have never considered myself to be an extremely intelligent person… I just tend to have common sense. In my gut nothing has felt right about this. I am a physician and we have done everything contrary to my training and past knowledge.
“Mandating by bluffing” sums it up perfectly. There is no Biden EO and there never will be. Same regarding any OSHA Rule making. They know these mandates are unconstitutional and will never standup in Court. They wanted the private sector to enforce mandates and hope that enough people believe that Biden’s speech was an “order” unto itself.
I tend to agree that there are a significant amount of lies and disinformation out there.
My company works for many Fortune 100 companies in Silicon Valley, and our employees are posted to their campuses due to the nature of our work. Recently, several Silicon Valley customers have told us they'll require us (as a company) to provide them with a list of the vaccination status of any employee posted to their campus.
In conversations with their lawyers, they've assured me that HIPAA and the ADA do not apply to the vaccination status of our employees. We can disclose that without fear of liability, they claimed. But, when asked for authority to support this, they cannot point to anything. There are local orders in Santa Clara County requiring them to ascertain the vaccination status of all "personnel" on their premises. But, there's nothing that relieves an employer of the confidentiality obligations under HIPAA and the ADA.
So, when I asked them to indemnify our company against the class actions for improper disclosure of medical exams (since they were so confident that HIPAA and ADA did not apply), the conversation died as did the requirement that we tattle on our employees. Not a good business strategy in most instances but better than facing a class action.
The only person that can legally release that information is the individual it pertains to. If I found out you released my private medical information to a third-party, I would sue the pants off of you, and I’d win.
Good for you for holding their feet to the fire. Every employer needs to do the same.
Sundance at Conservative Treehouse noticed within days of Xiden's announcement that OSHA had not initiated the process for requiring vax in companies with 100+ employees. It appeared to be just a fig leaf for companies that wanted to require the vax.
They’ve covered all their bases with this “mandate”. And unfortunately I live in an employment at will state. Republicans are absolutely useless. I did see a lawyer on social media who stated that if you’re mandated, and you suffer an injury, demand your employer fill out an OSHA 300 and go from there. She states that they actually will be liable. I guess we’ll see soon enough.
Rather than taking a risk with injection, ask your employer to acknowledge their liability to you in the event of an adverse reaction. OSHA is playing games with liability by not requiring employers to report adverse events from their mandate, so make them responsible first. How much you wanna bet, they'll have a real issue with this?
Let's keep the generalization of Republicans and Democrats out of Alex's substance. There are people on both sides fighting against the vaccine zealotry, infighting about other things does not help. I'm a libertarian and I know most of the Republican party at the Federal level is full of spineless cowards but the Democrat party has its Authoritarian Left wing. I don't classify all Democrats as being one similar group.
Here in Oregon, Democrats are the only ones pushing mandates and vax passports. And have been trying to eliminate vax exemptions for several years. I used to vote Democrat all my life. No more. I see the fascist trend and tactics reaching new levels. Totally unacceptable. As of now, and in order to defend the health and freedom of my teenagers, I have become a ONE-issue voter: medical freedom it is. All else can be resolved later but health comes first.
And there are some state level Republicans pushing it to. Both parties are involved in pushing the vaccine but the Democrat's are definitely more behind it than Republicans. If your a Republican you know the party ha a problem with sell-outs and RHINOs
name one democrat who is brave enough to call out this harmful pharma dictatorship. I can name many republicans: DeSantis, Texas governer, kristi Noem, Ted Cruz, Don Huffines, Rand Paul, Ron Johnson.
I don't know if any Democrats have done that. My reference to Manchan other like Senema was to point out that not everyone in eth Democrat party is towing the party's agenda in full. @Katie could be a Democrat based on her post and so I was trying to not come across being "All Democrats" are X".
Really? Do you want those who are on the Rights to start detailing the crimes of the Left here when this is supposed to be about the vaccine madness being promoted by government as a whole and also by persons in both parties? Neither side is without sin.
Maybe the administration wants to delay another public failure for a while. Even their fiercest cheerleaders are starting to notice the persistent incompetence.
Wife and I will be in the same boat. Just waiting for d-day when they modify our contracts and try to force the jab on us. Been working from home since March 2020, but somehow we now "pose a threat to mission success".
Straight from the government letter some other posted: "Contractor or subcontractor workplace location – means a location where covered contract employees work, including a covered contractor workplace or Federal workplace."
But then a few sentences later: "Covered contractor workplace – means a location controlled by a covered contractor at which any employee of a covered contractor working on or in connection with a covered contract is likely to be present during the period of performance for a covered contract. A covered contractor workplace does not include a covered contractor employee’s residence."
Can some legal person clarify this? What does this mean for fully remote personnel?
“ Q11: How does this Guidance apply to covered contractor employees who are authorized under the covered contract to perform work remotely from their residence?
A: An individual working on a covered contract from their residence is a covered contractor employee, and must comply with the vaccination requirement for covered contractor employees, even if the employee never works at either a covered contractor workplace or Federal workplace during the performance of the contract.”
Elsewhere I read that the reason is because the remote worker -might- need to go to the office sometime. I’ll try to find that source.
if an employee only goes to office infrequently, e.g. once a month, they can just test on the day they do, at least on their own cost. A negative PCR test has much more predictive value about non-infectiosness than vaccines. vaccines themselves were validated based on PCR tests. Not allowing the testing option ONLY on days they visit office should be grounds for a discrimination suite.
I was the Co chair of the patient and family advocacy counsel(a volunteer) and the hospital told me that our governor told them that the mandate extends to volunteers and I would have to step down by the first if I don't get vaccinated. 90% of the work is virtual on zoom. As co chair I not only fight for better outcomes for patients, I fight for patients rights so while my rights are being violated I will no longer be able to fight for patient rights. To top it off, I am a longterm patient at this hospital so i am physically there every month for appointments and treatments.
Imagine09, I question whether this already illegal order can apply to volunteers. They don't pay you or handle your health insurance. Word of mouth is not a mandate.
You know what. I wondered the exact same thing and told them I do this for free and I don't work for them but what can you do? I can't believe they are sacrificing patient outcomes for illegal mandates. What does that say about the hospital?
Alex: If there is no official order, how does this impact the millions of workers who have taken the vax to keep their job or already been fired for refusing? Also, since the only FDA approved vaccine (Cormidy?) is not yet available in the U.S., how can people be forced to receive an experimental vaccine? Most everyone involved in this tyranny has been given immunity from any legal repercussions. Would that include employers who are requiring a non-approved vaccine as a condition of employment?
Excellent question! Anyone getting a vaccine today is still getting an EUA vaccine. There are NO FDA-approved vaccines available. An employer today could be sued if they have nothing in writing from OSHA requiring them to fire people who won't take an experimental jab.
Don’t forget Southwest Air. We got the email yesterday that the government is our biggest contract and that makes us government contractors — required to get the shot or file an exemption which they will grant in ‘limited’ way, whatever that means. Sure wish one of the CEOs of these big companies had the balls to say no to this. But, as Tucker Carlson said, “Where are all the men?” As is, we will be fired. We’ve had covid. We have medical reasons for refusing. We have religious reasons for refusing. And the first moderna shot almost killed my father in law. Our broken hearts will heal but vaccine injured bodies don’t.
My emp[oyer is now requiring all US employees to upload their vaccination cards. It goes to a third-party company, ServiceNow database, https://www.servicenow.com/company/media/press-room/servicenow-cisco-enhance-contact-tracing.html where our company can contact trace people. This is all in the guise according to our CEO that people in our company want to know who is vaccinated and who isn't. As if it makes a difference, both vac and non-vac can pass the virus, insanity at its finest. Plus our CEO states that there may be"real implications" for our company if we don't comply on a Federal level. I see it as the backdoor to a national registry. When will it ever become a civil rights violation? We need GDPR laws in the US to protect our data ASAP!
You should join vivabarnes.locals.com and send a msg to Robert Barnes about this. He's a constitutional lawyer fighting thus ( he's suing Tyson foods over their mandate) and he may be able to provide you with some info on options you have and are unaware if. Your employer is never going to inform you of your options if they make forcing thud on you harder and their not requ5by law to tell you so you have to look into it on your own. I think many would be surprised to learn they have more options about thus than what their employer is telling them. Good luck.
The Leviathan isn't going to get smaller. It's not going to regulate itself or give an ounce of its power. But it's also inflexible, careening, and incapable of changing course. We are flexible. We're wasting our time trying to reign in Leviathan. We need our own p to p economy, transportation, institutions, and media. For this, we need to gather physically in the same space.
Here's a question - at this point I'm starting to wonder if it's worth it to uproot my family and move to a red state (we are in Washington). What do you guys think? It seems that the feds are squeezing even companies that ordinarily would be willing to hire unvaxxed by threatening big fines.
Don't vote for what you flee. Texas has some anti-vaccine mandate bills on the schedule for the special session. Not sure what will happen. I think Montana may be better on this.
Here in Montana, House Bill 702 protects against discrimination based on vaccine status. Vax requirements for employees are banned, and (I believe) mask mandates are now illegal. Obviously there's been pushback, and I don't know if state law will supersede new OSHA rules. Overall though, I'm glad as hell to live here.
We moved from a red state to WA a few years ago and are looking to go back. I have one of those contractor jobs that is really good for us and hoping that my vaccine exemption request is approved.
I’m in Oregon and already looking at red states. Although central Oregon is fairly non-compliant in many ways but not sure about this. My daughter has a job interview at Bachelor so that will be the litmus.
I'm in Clackamas County. Have been voting red since Republicans stood up to defend vax exemptions a few years ago. Please stay and VOTE RED. We need to stop this fascist trend pushed by Democrats.
If we all stood up and politely told them to shove it, what are they going to do? Fire their whole work force or terminate the whole armed forces? Just say NO!
the threat of the osha requirement has worked as well as if the commander-in-creep had issued an executive order so there is no need for him to do so...
until the corporate lawyers figure out that they are operating without a net and that the company will end up liable for requiring employees to take an experimental drug.
maybe but meanwhile, back at the ranch, employees are caving in to the demand which i understand since being unemployed(and unemployable under this threat) is a tough pill to swallow...
Requiring workers to be vaccinated or lose their job is EVIL! Feed your family or starve?? They won’t stop at 2 doses though, continual boosters will be mandated as condition of employment….as well as vaccine pass to participate in really anything. It’s coming! Diabolical
Florida lawyer Jeff Childers succeeded in getting an injunction against the City of Gainesville's employee vaccine mandate. Jacobson is misunderstood and/or misrepresented by most, he argues.
Here's the template for lawyers willing to challenge the constitutionality of these mandates elsewhere:
Yeah starving people by putting them out of work or essentially putting their lives at risk for a pretty much useless vax. Even if there isn't anything nefarious behind this push - they have made it seem nefarious by the way they are acting (full disclosure I think there is something nefarious behind their actions).
"At the country-level, there appears to be no discernable relationship between percentage of population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases in the last 7 days (Fig. 1). In fact, the trend line suggests a marginally positive association such that countries with higher percentage of population fully vaccinated have higher COVID-19 cases per 1 million peo- ple. Notably, Israel with over 60% of their population fully vaccinated had the highest COVID-19 cases per 1 million people in the last 7 days. The lack of a meaningful asso- ciation between percentage population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases is further exemplified, for instance, by comparison of Iceland and Portugal. Both countries have over 75% of their population fully vaccinated and have more COVID-19 cases per 1 million people than countries such as Vietnam and South Africa that have around 10% of their population fully vaccinated.
The vaccine zealots will ignore anything that challenges their beliefs. For many of them this is like a new religion and its always hardest to get someone to question their faith.
That is true, but honestly I don't give a sh*t what they believe - as long as their belief isn't used as an unchallenged hammer to crush all that is good. The fauci morality police (aka democrats and woke new-age christians) must be challenged at every turn with facts - not to change their minds, but as self defense against imposing anti-American-traditional-culture-and-tolerance restrictions on others driven by their unfactual beliefs.
It was a head fake to give Dem corporate donors the greenlight to implement his tyranny by proxy. just as the media censors people who hold views the gubmint considers wrongthink, so the gubmint doesn't have to. Lawfare 101.
DOL and OSHA, as well as other federal agencies, are working diligently to encourage COVID-19 vaccinations. OSHA does not wish to have any appearance of discouraging workers from receiving COVID-19 vaccination, and also does not wish to disincentivize employers' vaccination efforts. As a result, OSHA will not enforce 29 CFR 1904's recording requirements to require any employers to record worker side effects from COVID-19 vaccination at least through May 2022. We will reevaluate the agency’s position at that time to determine the best course of action moving forward.
This is borderline if not 100% criminal. OSHA is supposed to be there to protect workers, this policy does the opposite, it hurts workers to protect drug manufacturers and employers..imagine if they crafted this policy in regard to a worker falling off a scissor lift, or being burnt in a chemical explosion at a factory….
So to translate... we want you to be force-vaccinated, so we won't be coming out with written guidelines because we know we can't actually get away with it legally. But in order to encourage the violation of your rights to bodily autonomy, we don't want to know if the forced vaccination causes you irreparable physical harm.
Pritzker is trying the exact same thing in Illinois. He’s ‘washing his hands’ by letting the IDPH create the rules. Testing twice a week for the unvaccinated now required.
Question on the mandatory testing: who pays for that? The employer or employee? Around where I live it is getting difficult to find free testing unless you have symptoms. Also, isn’t the CDC getting rid of the tests as of the end of the year? I may have that wrong.
Okay..just went through that. Not seeing the testing requirement for the public-at-large, outside of schools/hospital and other similar settings. Still not seeing your 'twice a week testing' for the unvaxxed. Of course, I may have missed it in one of the 'whereas-es'.
None of it is legal. The health department can’t quarantine the healthy. Testing of the well is a form of quarantine… as recently established in a clay county court. The twice weekly language was literally just added… right after my lawsuit was filed….
No problem..I was just reading it to find out if Pritz went full Hochul on us. Doesn't seem so, yet. Of course, in Illinois we have that pesky little Health Care Conscience Act floating around. I know Pritz and his minions would LOVE to get rid of this law.
"It is the public policy of the State of Illinois to respect and protect the right of conscience of all persons who refuse to obtain, receive or accept, or who are engaged in, the delivery of, arrangement for, or payment of health care services and medical care whether acting individually, corporately, or in association with other persons; and to prohibit all forms of discrimination, disqualification, coercion, disability or imposition of liability upon such persons or entities by reason of their refusing to act contrary to their conscience or conscientious convictions in providing, paying for, or refusing to obtain, receive, accept, deliver, pay for, or arrange for the payment of health care services and medical care. It is also the public policy of the State of Illinois to ensure that patients receive timely access to information and medically appropriate care."
Discrimination. It shall be unlawful for any person, public or private institution, or public official to discriminate against any person in any manner, including but not limited to, licensing, hiring, promotion, transfer, staff appointment, hospital, managed care entity, or any other privileges, because of such person's conscientious refusal to receive, obtain, accept, perform, assist, counsel, suggest, recommend, refer or participate in any way in any particular form of health care services contrary to his or her conscience.
I'm a lawyer and none of this looks legal to me. But we're in different times. I'm not convinced that anyone in this administration cares one whit about legality or constitutionality.
You might have different rights, depending not only on whether your employer is a public or private entity, and on where you reside.
I'm not an employment lawyer and won't offer advice, but a bit of common sense goes a long way if you find yourself in the predicament in which your job is being threatened for noncompliance. What would I do in this situation? I would demand to be provided any written policies. I would demand that every communication from the employer on the mandate be put in writing, and put mine in writing as well. I would apply for any applicable exemptions. (I would not lie; that could give them a reason to terminate later on.) I would seek a medical evaluation and/or testing to establish baseline health status. I'd get tested again after the shots. I'd ask the employer for reimbursement of any co-pays or expenses for being medically evaluated. Above all, I would communicate unequivocably and in writing that I am submitting solely because they have required it. If I want to keep my job, I would not under any circumstances resign. If terminated, I'd demand a written notice of termination. And I'd then get a good plaintiff's employment lawyer, if you haven't already.
Thanks Alex. Our State Attorney General recently spoke at a local event in SC and was pressed on when he was going to bring forth his legal opinion against Biden's vaccine mandate. We were let in on a dirty little secret. There is no legal mandate to date, and therefore there can't be a lawsuit against just mere words spoken at a Press conference. This is just the 'perception' of a mandate. Right now all of the private companies are enforcing this 'mandate' of their own accord because they were coerced by the POTUS to do so. This is just further evidence of the government overreaching and manipulating the American people that there is a law that they actually have no authority to enforce (CDC evictions anyone). It won't stop here. We have to work together and continue to hold up the Truth. The law is only for those who follow the law. Right now the current administration is willing to do things they know will only get them a slap on the wrist, but they're doing a lot of harm in the meantime.
"OSHA has previously indicated that reactions to a COVID-19 vaccination are not recordable under 29 C.F.R. Part 1904, at least for now:
"OSHA does not wish to have any appearance of discouraging workers from receiving COVID-19 vaccination, and also does not wish to disincentivize employers’ vaccination efforts. As a result, OSHA will not enforce 29 CFR 1904’s recording requirements to require any employers to record worker side effects from COVID-19 vaccination at least through May 2022.
Not requiring them to record them and putting your employer on notice that the vaccines they forced you to take to keep your job are two different things.
Let’s see how many people start suing their employers for this bogus mandate. Let’s see what OSHA does when the crap actually hits the fan. SOMEONE has to accept liability.
Not to mention there is ZERO informed consent to being given.
Plus , The approved version of the Pfizer vaccine is not even available in the USA. You can’t mandate a vaccine that’s not available.
I would document EVERYTHING, and get everything in writing.
When government "gives" anything to any person, group or country, it will make demands on what it wants in return. Government can (and will) change the rules after the dependent entity becomes totally dependent.
"Social Security" was a socialist agenda from its inception, crafted by the socialist organization, the "International Labor Organization" (ILO). Read, "The Making of the New Deal - The Insiders Speak": "There are probably about two people in the country who know that the legislation for the Social Security system ... were done with the technical assistance of the ILO." (First major step in total population control).
Title 42 U.S.C. 666, imposed mandatory submission of social security number as a condition for any form of license to engage in business or travel. (Second major step).
Title 42 U.S.C 666, penalties for failing to comply with OSHA regulations (now being used to compel compliance with vaccine mandate). (Third major step).
The next and ongoing step is to give everyone a standard, universal identification number (code or marker) that will be used to verify not only vaccine status but the status of individual compliance with all other edicts and mandates.
"The quest to give everyone in the world a form of identification—a digital form, inevitably—has gathered energy over the past decade. In 2014 the World Bank launched Identification for Development, or ID4D, a program that aims to improve access to the bank’s resources in areas such as health, financial inclusion, and social welfare."
All of this is a head fake. None of it is legal. they're lying about the FDA authorizations, they're lying when they say you cannot use religious or health exemptions. They. Are. Lying. Do not fall for their lies. As far as Biden's "mandate", Robert Barnes has stated repeatedly that it's a testing mandate, not a vaccine mandate. There's a reason OSHA hasn't moved to write any guidelines. If and when they do, the millions of people coerced into allowing themselves to be violated because they thought they had no other options, will see just how badly they've been deceived. Fight the damn mandates, people.
Yes, and finally a concerned member of our legislative branch of government has spoken the truth. Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin was on Fox recently and told the real story of Pfizer-BioNTech's FDA approval. The FDA only approved BioNTech's version of the "vaccine", Comirnaty. At the time, July, I believe, it was not even available in the U.S. The Pfizer version was, and still is under EUA. No one from Pfizer, the medical field or the government has bothered to tell the general public, so people think they are getting an FDA approved drug. Senator Johnson was the only one who even entertained the notion of alternative treatments for Covid, i.e., Ivermectin, Hydroxychloroquine. He is getting a lot of backlash for standing up for our right to choose. God Bless him!
Have you seen Johnson's presentation on the vaccinated becoming ill. That truth is in a race against time -- as they push to vaccinate more.
No, I haven't seen that. I would love to. All I have seen is J&J asking the FDA for approval for a booster shot from another "vaccine that was supposed to require just one jab. We have to stick together. First and foremost for me, this is another abortion-tainted concoction, secondly it is not safe, and thirdly, it is violating our First Amendment rights. Since you are a doctor, you know this so-called "virus" doesn't even meet the criteria for a vaccine. You are absolutely right. Biden has to get his agenda completed to depopulate the country, kill off the elderly, make infertility a prime objective, and turn the Government totally Socialist/Communist by 2022. I am a senior citizen and in a high-risk group. I take all the precautions I can, but my faith and fate are in God's hands
Interesting, Pam, that Old Man Biden wants to kill off the elderly since he is 78. If true, why did Biden take a Booster on national TV? Many suspect, including Joe Rogan, that his whole charade of getting a real Booster was faked.
I believe that was a placebo shot. I don't think his administration would risk him having an adverse reaction in front of the whole country. The set set was faked to look like the Oval Office. I truly believe that these gene-altering fake vaccines are meant to decrease the world population, both by accelerating the death of the elderly, of which I am one, and causing infertility, miscarriages and stillborns. Archbishop Vigano recently released a statement that this is a concerted global effort, and he was speaking specifically of the fertility and abortion issues.
If you think that was real... ummm
Its a strategical strike to roll out the mandate incrementally and in a way that is not going to get shut down in total by a court. Phase 1 you push mandate with no test option or exemptions to federal contractors and agencies where Biden/The Feds have unquestionable rule over. Next you tell bit don't yet put into writing officially that private companies must do mandate or expensive testing under threat of monetary penalization. At this point you do a wait and see. See how much of the private sector will comply with just the threat and nothing in writing. At this stage the Feds are unlikely to get the mandate overturned in court. After 6-12 months you will have had a sizeable percent of the private sector do the mandate without anything in writing to make it official. At this point depending on success level you either threaten again if not enough have implemented the mandate or put it in writing if enough have. Biden is less concerned about a court loss bc he's gotten buy-in from many private companies. The goal is to set that precedent that the Federal Government can without a legislative act, mandate medicating if the public.
The way Government creates new powers for itself is by using precedent. Sure it can still get challenged but once they get that precedent it's much harder to take back from the government that new power. Courts do the same thing, create rights or powers thru precedent in rulings. Its a disgusting and IMO unconstitutional thing but they've done it so much for so long that it can't be stopped so it's important to not let the government get that precedent.
Spot on! people are caving too early. Going along with this crap is like an unwritten contract that you agree to government control over your lives. Period. Not just vaccines. I’m most angry at the MSM and Social Media for their involvement in all this. And now Newsom is getting away with his mandates on jabbing kids which literally has me sick to my stomach and not sleeping at night.
Well they went with the mask mandates without question of effectiveness - they just complied. And it had the same argument - 'even though I am wearing a mask you must wear a mask to protect me' otherwise you are selfish. Now its 'even though I am vaxxed you must get vaxxed to protect me' or otherwise you are selfish. How many more Freedoms are we going to surrender to the 'do this or else you are selfish' (and we will make you pay for being selfish) argument.
Yes WHY do we still let them yank our chains. There isnt an instance along the way where they haven't LIED-- ignore them. Remember Alex not wearing (unintentionally) a mask because he forgot. Lets ALL forget ALL their "directions for our safety" (SIC)
America, you got played.
https://markoshinskie8de.substack.com/p/are-the-government-and-media-ready
Yes all true but we aren’t out of it yet as more restrictions are coming. The time to rise up and push back is now but people are complacent.
Excellent article!
Everyone is telling themselves that this is all "about controlling the virus" and all these mandates will go away when it's under control. The notion that this is a slippery slope to tyranny is a joke to them. We will see.
I’m not seeing how the virus will ever be under control unless they stop looking for it.
Exactly. There is no end to the "variants" they can uncover(computer models only-all of them) and blame on the unvaccinated. And even then, if Pfizer needs a stock price increase, they'll suddenly see the need for another booster.
People are suckers.
Meanwhile firearm sales are breaking records year after year, and set to break all time records again this year.
And that is why China hasn’t broken down citizens’ doors. We can never give up our guns. That is the only reason we haven’t had a physical Chinese attack. We are the most armed citizenry in the world. B
It’s why we aren’t like Australia.
Chumps!
https://markoshinskie8de.substack.com/p/are-the-government-and-media-ready
Don't take on Newsom's evil. Take a small amount of melatonin to help with your stress induced bad sleep. It will regulate your circadian clock 😊
It was working but has worn off. I may need to switch things up a bit (I am actually a certified health coach and finally got my health as about back on track as possible, but all of what’s happening is too much to ignore!). I am trying to read more and knit to relieve the stress - it does help some 🤷♀️
I'm no lawyer, but isn't that a perversion of justice? The Government is pulling levers to ensure it gets done what it wants done (force vax on people) when in fact, they have been conferred no legal powers to do so. Is there any competent court in US to issue an injunction to stop the Government unlawfully using these coercive powers?
The Feds have been providing liability protection to the Pharmaceutical companies since the 80's for any childhood vaccine and ever since they did that the number of childhood vaccines has skyrocketed yet if you say their may be a profit motivation behind why so many vaccines were created and added to the mandatory childhood vaccine schedule that your called an anti-vaxxer and or conspiracy theorist
And look at the huge rise in autism and food allergies in children since that time.
Convinced that the epidemic of childhood-onset diabetes (Type 1) is the result of childhood vaccinations. Type 1 diabetes is caused by the bodies own immune system destroying the insulin producing cells (in children).
Quite possible plus look what they’ve done with all the gmo stuff
Yep and if you bring that up they'll call you an anti-vaxxer and say "Correlation doesn't equal causation"; that's a favorite of the vaccine zealotry. My family believe in traditional vaccines like for polio, measels and so on but any of the newer stuff especially if it looks like its been made for profit reasons, we stay away from it. We homeschool too so we can afford to tell the state to take their childhood vaccine schedule and shove it.
They love to say VAERS is illegitimate because it’s self-reported. But gender is now self-reported too and that’s totes legit to them
The polio vaccine has caused a lot of misery in the world--I'm not talking about the Salk dead virus injectable vaccine, even with the improperly inactivated batch from one producer at first, and other batches contamination with a simian virus, which hasn't been proved to have caused cancer in humans. I'm talking about the live weakened Sabin oral polio vaccine, given in the United States from 1960 to 2000. In India, from 2000 to 2017 that vaccine has caused 491,000 cases of non-polio acute flaccid paralysis (NPAFP): https://www.scidev.net/asia-pacific/news/oral-polio-drops-linked-to-paralysis-in-india/
And this is aside from outright cases of polio from the vaccine reconstituting itself in the gut and infecting the recipients and other people and creating new strains. That's almost 500,000 people suffering various degrees of paralysis from the vaccine in India, and you can imagine how many people suffered similar effects in United States over 40 years that weren't acknowledged because the doctors weren't looking for them or connecting the symptoms to the vaccine or polio, so they got misdiagnosed as other neurological problems, such as chronic fatigue syndrome, Tourette syndrome, dystonia, anxiety, etc. and often made worse by the improper treatment.
That’s how I feel. This is the first vaccine I’ve refused. After getting sick from every flu shot I’ve ever had with the last one leaving me ill and impossible to work full time, I won’t be taking any more unless the long term safety data can prove it’s actually safe. You’re so lucky you’re able to homeschool. It’s so hard for many parents to do, but hope more try. I’m so glad I no longer have school age children, but I worry for those who do and my future grandchildren.
Just looked at my young teenagers shot records, 37 shots of various vaccines throughout their young years of development! This has Nothing. To. Do. With. Health!!!
You can never ever inject your way to health. You can't inject disease into a person and expect health. Vaccines are the biggest fraud of all time, based on faulty germ theory by a priesthood of virologists who tell us only they can see these invisible invaders and only they know how to stop them.
Yes--it has always been Pharma making money on our immune systems. The Military and Nazi Germany beginnings of both Pharma and Public Health are breathtaking. They lie. They kill.
Wow! My daughter was born in 89 and she’s had as many or less than what was even required when I was a kid so it’s probably 12 or less total till now. I had no idea kids were getting so many!
Roughly 12 different vaccines but some they 4-5 shots for each over the course of ~16 years
Sadly, our Justice System including the Supreme Court has also become corrupt along with the fear of packing the courts.
Yes it has. I believe we have some good judges to but the one leading teh court is clearly a spineless opportunists.
That's unfortunate to hear about Supreme Court. In my mind, a case like that would be a landmark one. I doubt though that the Supreme Court would decide against it, because that would pretty much contradict the Nuremberg Court rulings on Nazi doctors, and would become a dangerous precedent. Anyhow, again, I'm no lawyer, but if I were one, I'd be happy to work pro-bono on that, because there is no greater cause at our lifetime.
yup-- hence Brett Kavanaugh's current state. Like what happened to Boris Johnson (PM - UK). Its a warning shot 😊 Its like waking up and finding a horse head in your bed or a dead woman.
Okay couldn’t help but chuckle even though the topic isn’t funny. Thanks, I needed that! 👍
It’s kind of like a twisted take on the old adage of “Ask for forgiveness not approval”. Biden and his cronies will continue to push the envelope just like they did with the illegal extension of eviction moratorium‘s. He used the CDC to issue something that would not hold up and got two more months of what he wanted before a court stepped in and said it was illegal.
That is the government way, just do it and if its not something you have the right/power to do then good luck to whatever citizen is willing to spend a lot of money taking the Feds to court. The Feds know that as long as they don't raise the ire of the wealthy its unlikely any regular citizen will challenge them because they can't afford to.
Even when you win a case against the govt, they ignore the ruling. The FDA was sued, lost and were ordered to pay fines and change policy. They did neither. Read The Rise of Tyranny. Agencies that supposedly have no power to make law, routinely make decrees that congress then ignores or refuses to challenge so as not to upset their backers like Big Pharma.
Do it until someone says you cant
In my profession, we choose "substance over form". In substance, the Government is doing the evil deeds they want to, so it's way past approval, as far as I can see.
great point
Yes!
You're not wrong, which makes defeating them that much more crucial. Defeating, then tearing the whole corrupt mess down.
This is government can get away with it:
https://news.gallup.com/opinion/gallup/308126/roundup-gallup-covid-coverage.aspx
"About six in 10 Americans support vaccination requirements for federal government workers, employees of large companies, and workers at hospitals that receive federal healthcare funds."
https://news.gallup.com/opinion/gallup/354938/adults-estimates-covid-hospitalization-risk.aspx
"For unvaccinated hospitalization risk, 2% of Democrats responded correctly, compared with 16% of Republicans. In fact, 41% of Democrats replied that at least 50% of unvaccinated people have been hospitalized due to COVID-19."
We read Berenson and other "skeptical" sources. Most people get their COVID news from MSM, their doctors, and their friends. To hear the MSM tell it, we're in the grip of a deadly pandemic that threatens to kill us all, and our leaders are working feverishly (pun intended) to save us from it.
People are scared. Many are terrified of a COVID diagnosis. This is the reality we're up against.
I saw that article and was very shocked by it and angered. Reading it was like the nail in the coffin. The majority has been duped by msm and social media. They are too lazy to do their own research. They’ve lost their critical thinking abilities or maybe they never had any as I do recall learning in school and some just didn’t have the knack for it.
I don't really trust these polls. I read about them, but I've not been asked to participate in one for literally years and neither have any of my friends. Have many of you actually been polled or are they just more gas-lighting?
Thank you for your critical thinking🥰
Other than Gallup polls done at work, I’ve never been asked to participate in any of their polls.
Why are you listening to MSM? Don't believe everything you read-- if you did Hilary would have been president in 2016. Stop reading shit.
BUT they ALWAYS make mistakes-- small but important ones-- they are rushing this strategy. They are not infallible. Trust and have patience
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It better. Otherwise it’s going to be a bloody revolution, unfortunately. People are at their limits now.
Waiting...
Problem is the large companies have already crafted policy requiring the jab. My company gave me until feb 1 to get it or be suspended for up to 60 days to reconsider. I’m in a union, the union gave the company lip service, negotiated in bad faith IMO, something they always accuse the company of doing during regular contract talks. no mobilization against it at all, no vote from the members and they accepted the policy. I plan on holding out and making them suspend me at least, then I’ll have to make the final decision to leave or not. I’m interested to see how union fights for the suspended.
Ask how they can do this when vaccinated people are getting infected? Treating unvaccinated people any different when being vaccinated does not stop the spread is in my mind a form of bigotry.
Totally agree, but not realistic. This is a religion now and the powers that be have found faith. That faith is in the vaccinations. The fact that vaccinations are failing and that natural immunity is much stronger and longer lasting means nothing. Their god (lower case on purpose) is the vaccine. Any type of talk that criticizes the vaccine is sac-religious ... You are the devil!
Its their way to cover that fact up. BUT when all the unvaccinated are out of their company who will they blame for the rising illness and COVID breakthrough cases?
The anti-Nuremberg-Coders just point to numbers that are a snapshot in time, the first few months after being fully vaxxed when people are less infectious (it blocks infection for four weeks, and is useless for that after 5-6 months). When you point that out, they say that’s why you need boosters. But the CDC recommended boosters only for retirement-age folks, not regular workforce age.
file a grievance if it isn't in your negotiated contract, make them take it all the way to arbitration ( you have that right), if you are fired they have to take it to arbitration, if enough do it the company will back down arbitration is expensive and the union and company split the cost.
Great suggestion
Make them fire you. Don’t do the dirty work for them.
Demand your employer prove the science of a mandate. I’ve been shocked that so many give in so easily.
Have they given you a written policy? If not, ask to see it.
The union at my company support the jabs 100%. Hope yours has a set of nads.
The leadership is being paid off - just like the politicians.
So much for unions being pro employee and not pro employer
Tell them that until the vaccine that you are able to get in this country is not still under emergency use authorization and you will not get an experimental injection. “Cominarty” is the product that I received full FDA approval but you cannot get it in this country because there are no supplies. It is just a bait and switch by this administration.
Offer to take the FDA approved vaccine. That is "Comirnaty" by Pfizer, which is not in production in the US. It is **LEGALLY** different than the Pfizer Biontech jab they are using now.
check that out carefully. My understanding is that the legal (ie can you sue) aspect is not fully clear at this point. And of course it can be changed at any time as you are seeing.
If your in a union and it's a condition of employment it must be negotiated.
I would wait for them to fire you. Don't leave. You have a better case if you don't quit.
Why aren't more people pointing out the exemption B den gave UPS workers.
Yep. To Get people riled up and stop thinking about Afghanistan, State voting audits, inflation, etc. etc.
That's a benefit but not their goal. The goal is to set the precedent that the Federal Government can mandate medicating the public by edit alone, without any legislative act.
They are all the same death by 1000 cuts.
Well, local governments have already been mandating medicating people for many decades in the form of fluoridated water. What's to stop the government from mandating adding low levels of lithium to water supplies? A study in Texas counties with similar demographics but higher or lower levels of natural lithium in the water found that violent crimes such as murder and and rape were much lower in the counties with higher natural lithium water concentrations, although other nonviolent crimes, like burglary, shoplifting, and auto theft we're not affected.
Ah yes--some say chem trails are that Lithium 😊
Agree. No talk about Afghanistan at all. Also, the soldiers that were injured in the attack, and are still in the hospital. I believe there are four, were barely mentioned even in the beginning.
The administration admitted a few weeks ago that their orders might not stand up in court but in the meantime they would be coercing people into getting vaccinated.
And that's the goal. They don't care if it's legal as long as they get what they want in the short-term. Just like the CDC eviction ban.
Really? Those bastards.
But some people can’t lose their jobs. They have mouths to feed and need medical coverage to provide their families. It’s not easy for some to fight it.
It will be a lot easier for them to fight this than the next thing that comes down the pike. Just like it would have been a lot easier to fight against masks than vax mandates. Every day that goes by without them fighting makes the fight harder.
What kind of world do they want their children to live in?
Absolutely and not everyone has the option to relocate. You have to decide, you have to weigh the benefits and costs. If you do get a vaccine though at least look at getting the one that's not mRNA based. I don't know if its any less dangerous than the mRNA based ones or not but at least you will have not taken a mRNA based drug.
Sadly, the only true traditional vaccine is manufactured in... Wait for it.. China. Not approved here. It is a doubly sad comment that I would trust a Chinese vaccine over those approved and manufactured here.
Sinovac (China) is still making ppl sick, probably unwise to make a vaccine based on a bioweapon.
Also one in Russia and Belarus.
Exactly correct. It's all based on nothing more than threats and intimidation in the form of a presidential edict. Kim Jung-un uses the same tactic, as does China.
Bullies always lie. Here is how you can tell they are lying. THEY ALWAYS LIE. Call them out and ignore them.
They're playing the public in every way.
https://markoshinskie8de.substack.com/p/are-the-government-and-media-ready
Why do you think they’re doing this?
Money power
And no one can collectively stop it? Rand Paul Ron Johnson MTG I guess it’s a state and local thing and some are listening and some aren’t. ??
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Where can I read Robert Barnes?
join his feed on locals.com - its really worth it he goes live several times a week you can ask him anything plus he sends out daily emails with articles to read - his feed is VivaBarnesLaw - he is on with Viva Frei from Canada - they share
https://twitter.com/barnes_law
All the big corporations on Team Administrative State have gotten the memo and are doing Biden's dirty work for him. "Never write when you can speak, never speak when you can nod, never nod when you can wink." And never issue a rule when you can just bully your legions of corporate toadies into something.
So spot on...big corporations are 100% in the tank on all of this. Once upon a time I ran a small business that subcontracted to large government contractors. They tried to "flow down" a contract provision that required me to randomly drug test my employees. I just said, "no". If you actually thought my employees had drug problems you wouldn't want to hire us. I pushed back out of respect for my employees. Big contractor caved. We got the subcontract and we kicked ass...why...cause I gave my employees the respect they deserved. I am thankfully now out of any business interest that relies in any way on government money...we all need to think carefully about who is paying us and what those consequences may be.
The larger the corporation the worse they tend to be. I'm a free market advocate but at the same time anti large corporation bc they always end up treating employees worse than most small to medium size businesses. We in the US don't have a truly free market and tgats by design. We have a controlled market where big players often use government connections to make it hard for competition. I believe if we had a truly free market we'd not have large international corporations like we do today. Once they grew large enough that the employees became disposable assets instead of people they wouldn't last long bc a smaller more aggressive comps6would come along and take enough of the market away from them.
Our country has a history of wealthy and powerful people using the system to ensure their own success and the non-succes if any competitor that dare challenge them
So very true and frustrating. I once dared to dive into a "political" appointment and saw what was really under the hood. It was so disturbing it caused me to do the best I could to "go Gault"
I'm a firm believer in Ayn Rand's take on how a market should work. And I believe that in a truly free/open market where competition is not artificially held back we'd not have these disgusting gigantic international corporations b/c a company of that size really can't function in a normal & healthy manner. Sure it can make money but it squeezes the life out of many lower level employees to do so not to mention the temptations a larger corporation has to take shortcuts and engage in questionable actins like using over seas child labor.
A simple "like" to your comment is inadequate. I sometimes kinda "get" why some people including my 20 something nieces and nephews are "opposed" to capitalism. It's because we don't have any true sense of it in the way Rand presented. Did we ever? I'm not sure. Possibly after the tea pot dome scandal there was a moment...?
federal contracts are welfare for connected contractors...... if they rock the boat the contracting officers might demand performance!
Not all contractors are getting welfare from the government. I know an independent contractor and he definitely is not feeding off the government teeth. I can see large ones doing this and some smaller ones who use the oppression gimmick ( ie minority or woman owned business) .
Well said. I don't trust people who always want to do things verbally and refuse to also put it in writing. I've had a boss who did this, always avoiding put into writing anything that might could come back and bite him in the butt including details about some software code customization or data fix. I work in IT/Software.
As a nursing supervisor back in the day first we would give a sit down chit-chat verbal warming (hot air). It was ignored.
Next would be a written and dated warning with a chit-chat and the employee and I had to sign and date it.
When that was ignored the third notice in writing was a dismissal with cause.
CYA.
Mainly because they are not being provided information and they blindly accept what is out there that is provable truth is fake news! Some conservative outlet needs to start printing out fliers with links to facts on it because of censorship and distribute like during WW1 and WWII. Sadly there will need to be an uprising (hopefully not violent but it’s a fear of mine), before some of these go-alongers wake up! People are also worn out from all of these and that’s part of the reason they are caving. They think if they just go along that life will somehow return to normal. So many of my friends are feeling that way. I’m sad I’ll be losing some of those friends but I will not back down, I just morally can’t while some feel they morally must. I get people need to keep jobs, but people still need to ask themselves, will I or my family survive if I die or suffer permanent disability when the average survival rate of this disease is about 98%?
You may be losing more than their friendship if they are vaxxed.
Very true!
They are chipping away at all sides. Rising costs of gas, tankers stranded in Long Beach and San Pedro for weeks with no trucks. Banking being publicly controlled with IRS goons in our wallets.
They are screwing the screws in tighter every day and there are few standing up for the average American. Ron Johnson and Rand Paul. Ron DeSantis. Where are all the members of Congress? AWOL.
Exactly! Where are they? And why aren’t the few moderate Dems speaking
Up? Do they really want this lack of freedom once they are out of office and subject to all these rules? The left always disposes of their useful idiots once they’ve achieved their goal/s
at least yellen has not figured th treasury can pay it obligations with mefo notes to get around debt issuance......
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I am struck by how Conservative Christian outlets (First Things, Lifesitenews, The Stream) have seen through this ascending evil, almost from the start. The editor of First Things, RR Reno, fended off calls for his scalp for having the temerity to cavalierly stroll around NYC, maskless, at the start of this Covid hysteria.
My frustration with Mr. Berenson's otherwise outstanding coverage of this ongoing tragedy has been his inability or unwillingness to tie all the threads together. Conspiracies really do happen. To wave these despotic, evil actions by world politicians off as the blunderings of ignorant, attention-seeking officials is wrong, I believe. We are in the midst of an evil rivaling that of Stalin, Hitler, and Mao, I fear.
Former VP of R&D at Pfizer, Dr. Mike Yeadon, claims to have evidence of a conspiracy for mass depopulation. If one was to go about implementing such a program, it would look an awful lot like what's been going on.
Wonder if the opposite will work. Filing an OSHA safety complaint against vaccinated employees for being silent spreaders?
https://www.osha.gov/workers/file-complaint
That's a very real possibility! I watched a video the other day with Dr. Malone and Dr. Vanden Bossche and they explained why. This was new to me, so bear with me if you already know this. They say that the shots reduce symptoms, sickness and death in the infected - and very little else. That means, the injected and infected are continuing with their daily lives, unaware that they are sick and spreading a disease they can't even tell that they have.
Exactly. The vaxxed are the more dangerous but bc there us a billion dollar global covid vaccine marketing campaign behind thus with buy-in from the media, bigtech, the entertainment industry and international corporations the widely held belief that's promoted is the opposite of reality
Bingo.
More than that. A recent (yet to be peer reviewed or published) article on breakthrough cases in the San Fransisco Bay area (https://doi.org/10.1101/2021.08.19.21262139) and a video on Conservative Treehouse by Dr Nathan Thompson point to the stark (for the vaccinated) reality that the jabs are wreaking havoc on active immunity, which among other things attacks cancer cells. IMHO the objective is through successive boosters to keep a large percentage of the world’s population permanently immunocompromised and in need of periodic boosters and newly patented, expensive and side effects fraught antiviral, anti cancer… the list goes on… drugs. Enter boosters and Merck’s anything but safe and less than effective than ivermectin Molnupiravir and Pfizer’s PF-07321332. This while Uttar Pradesh has demolished it’s cases curve.
Bingo... permanent customers.
I keep hearing the 80's Aretha Franklin song "Who's zooming who" but instead "Who's infecting who" comes to mind.
Haha! I love that song.
Yep, and there are quite a few athletes, students, etc, who have had to quarantine (although not infected) because a "vaccinated" person was infected and they were "near" them. It is documented.
That’s what I was wondering. If you could do this if there is an outbreak with Vaxxed. Or even one vaxxed person our boss is vaxxed and she had Covid very bad too.
Not just an outbreak, the vaxxed shed spike proteins, causing damage to people around them. This is a serious concern.
For this reason, I’m afraid to be around the vaxxed. They are now the super spreaders. It’s why so many kids are now getting Delta right now. I limit where I shop now and eat. I’m also glad I work in a natural health store where most who work and shop there aren’t vaccinated, but I’m noticing the young ones afraid they’ll lose their jobs are getting the vaccine before it’s even been technically mandated! SMH 🤦♀️
Does that shedding equally affect the unvaccinated and vaxxed?
Yes
OK thanks
That is a serious issue
I like this idea
LOLOLOLOLOLOL
I agree. Wish I thought it was humorous even tho I am laughing.
I filed a FOIL with NYS DOH requesting any records/data/evidence that supports unvaccinated people being deemed a threat to vaccinated people. I asked what new information they had to support this new status of unvaccinated people being deemed a threat. They said they have do NOT have anything to support this. They also stated “The NYSDOH has not published studies about the variability of transmission between vaccinated and unvaccinated”. So why are we being forced to vaccinate or get fired? This mandate is not based on anything.
You should forward this to Alex, Tucker and anyone else that has a large platform. You should also send it to your reps - so they know we know
Lawyers will have fun suing those woke corporations for the chronic health problems caused by their policies to force all employees, even those previously infected, to get the vaccine. I have two friends... both got covid, recovered and then got the vaccine on recommendation from their doctor and both have life-threatening heart muscle damage now. They were both completely healthy with zero history of heart disease in their families.
I have lost count of how many stories like this I’m hearing. Two friends of mine have friends who were mandated to get vaccinated and are now disabled and can’t work. Yet NONE go reported so the covid zombies walk around repeating “safe and effective.”
I sometimes wonder if we are going to see where companies slowly realize their more productive and least likely to be disabled group comes from the unvaccinated group who are unvaccinated for personal reasons rather than medical reasons. Especially if boosters become required and more and more people are less functional... I don’t know. It would take a long while and longer than I suspect most people would be willing to fright back.
my son works at a local YMCA. in the last week, 2 of his employees have been rushed to the hospital with covid. both are 'fully' 'vaccinated'. i put separate quotations around those words because the goal posts have shifted(and will probably continue to shift) around what is considered 'fully' and i don't believe the 'vaccine' is a vaccine at all...
This could possibly be another step in the plan to destroy the economy in a controlled collapse. Let's say a year from now they've managed to get %80 or more to comply with vaccine but major adverse reactions become so prominent they can no longer cover it up and the vaccine is recalled. People begin suing private employers who unlike big pharma aren't protected from liability. This in turn destroys or at least severely damages many non international sized businesses. At this point Biden doesn't care the vaccine has been recalled bc they still got 2 wins. They destroyed another segment of private businesses like the lockdowns did and %80 is probably high enough to argue they were able to set the precedent that the Federal Government can mandate medicating the citizens by edicts alone, without any legislative act.
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and sadly more to come. I would not be surprised if there is a witch hunt for Fauci and all his ilk.
You do know that these sick corporate CEOs already figured that into their "calculations". "Instead of a brain, a cash register; instead of a heart, a bottom line." from You've got mail.
Reading the stress that this BS is putting on people to play Russian roulette with this jab or lose their livelihoods & means to support their family is heartbreaking. This is Evil. This Administration is beyond contemptible.
No VAX has been FDA approved! Why is no one saying this beside Sen Ron Johnson?
Plus, Walensky has now publicly stated the vaccine does not prevent infection or transmission to others. So why would any company workplace go along with a mandate? The CDC has also changed the definition of "vaccine." It no longer is defined as "preventing" infection, transmission, the spread of disease. It is now (I'm paraphrasing) intended to trigger your body's immune response.
Also, what happens when abide by a company mandate, have a life-changing adverse reaction? Aren't companies opening themselves to legal action?
It no longer is defined as "preventing" infection, transmission, the spread of disease. It is now (I'm paraphrasing) intended to trigger your body's immune response.
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This is why I'm fully vaxed with self-administered Vitamin D via sunlight.
This was my question. And the only answer I got was a that if the vaccinated are around a covid positive person they do not have to quarantine where as a unvaxxed person would have to so now they have to take off work and company has to pay. Also the unvaxxed are more likely to catch covid and be out of work. That was the answer I got. Like NYC teachers have to be vaxxed and students don’t whereas in CA students will have to be and teachers don’t. It’s all very confusing.
I teach in Calif. When FDA approves the vax for the younger students, Guv Hair Gel has mandated that the teachers be fully vaxxed or lose their jobs. Currently we are setting up to test weekly. I do not plan to comply and am saving $$$ and looking for a RED state!
People have noticed. Robert Barnes pointed that out right away and there are several (not sure how many at the moment) lawsuits currently in the court making that same point.
Everything about our Country is fake & garbage anymore.
Not the idea of this country...just the people currently running it and "reporting" on it (most of them)
Love that man. I call him the pit bull of constitutional law.
If replacing Americans with refugees & foreign workers is “Constitutional” & ignoring the poor & addicted Ppl of the Appalachia is “Constitutional”
I call it "outsourcing fascism" because that's what it is. My wife's about to be fired, and I'm damn lucky I haven't been. Yet. We know we can find other jobs... but we're taking care of the one body we've been issued. Ain't no replacing those.
Would you be willing to share what state your in?
Chicago... there is no "Illinois" these days. Just an oil slick called Chicago. Can't wait to move to Michigan (I know, not that much better, but better it is) in June. At least, if the world hasn't pancaked on top of us by then.
Have you considered relocating? I know its a heck of a thing to have to do but the violations of your rights in that state are not going to end with the vaccine.
Absolutely, yes, we're moving outta here. A sparsely populated corner of Michigan has our name on it. We're going the self-employed route, too. This'll be a loooong winter spent getting our ducks in a row.
Tough decision but likely the best one you'll ever make.
Gotta be the UP. What a truly beautiful place!
An update for Washington State Employee Mandate - Yesterday was the last day to get vaxxed in time to meet Oct. 18 deadline. Latest numbers - 32% of state patrol is UNVAXXED. 37% of state workers overall UNVAXXED. The implications of this are staggering on the basic functional capacity.
I guess as a WA resident I should be ready for complete societal collapse. Or Inslee chickens out and gives people more time or quietly makes the mandate a suggestion
IF society collapses, the sane will rebuild, we are strong and capable, not weak and inept....dont worry, it will work out!
I like your attitude! Plus we have a very good militia in my county (Clark) that a few friends are a part of so hopefully things won’t go too crazy around here
The purebloods (unvaxxed) will likely be the healthy ones, able to carry out most jobs. The challenge will be the exorbitant medical costs of treating the vax-injured for lifelong health problems.
Yep but as decent human beings we will have to do this and treat them better than many of them treated us.
Expect a total media blackout on the collapse just like the blackout in Melbourne
To be fair I haven't seen evidence that the state workers are actually doing anything.
I continue to say...is every company going to fire their ENTIRE workforce? People have to start acting like a union and band together. JUST SAY NO - everyone!!! (if you feel you are being coerced, otherwise take the vaccine if you already have not and you WANT it). This is exactly what makes unions so powerful...the thought of losing an entire workforce sector. I for one would not cross "this picket line". I would stand with my brother in arms.
Darn tootin' Laura
There are still SOME things in life that cannot be automated or the public will no accept it...Technically - we don't need pilots to fly...most of it is fly by wire. Of course, if you happen to be that 1 in a million freak thing that requires a thinking person _ THEN YOU NEED A LIVING BREATHING PILOT. Now, who out there is ready to fly w/o a pilot in the cockpit?
Before retiring, I used to run a small steel fabricating business. We had some welding applications that required a high level of skill using Pulse Mig welding. Over the years, I looked at trying to automate the welding process with robotics. There did not exist, and I still don't see anything, that can replace a skilled welder. Obviously, robotic welding is used in various applications but those applications typically are easy setup jobs that don't require a high degree of human skill. The point is, robotics are still oversold in my opinion. If you doubt this, just remember the last phone call you had to an automated attendant.
It will eventually get there but it's not going to be in the next decade. The robotics and AI sectors like to promise big and deliver less big.
Currently most major airline flights are fully automated and the pilots are there just as a standby in case the planes AI can't perform what's needed.
From my perspective as a retired surgeon, the federal government, employers ,state and local governments including school boards have not given the public standard of care informed consent regarding the “vaccination”. How can the risks,benefits and reasonable expectations be explained for a “vaccine “ based on never before utilized mRNA technology and bogusly based 6 month clinical trials ? The drug companies utilized “relative” rather than “ absolute “ statistical data (no p-value significance) and then blew up the trial data by giving the controls the “vaccine”.
Class action lawsuits should be based on criminal violations of lack of informed consent in federal court. Thousands have been harmed or injured. Courts have to hear these cases. Just find lawyers who are willing to put their reputations and livelihood on the line.
Have had this exact question myself.
Feds gave pharmaceutical companies protection so I doubt you can sue them no matter what the truth of the vaccine is. We can sue to get it pulled from use which would end mandates but the giant pharmaceutical companies are never going to pay anything from this.
Indemnification of a product is a different can of worms than someone performing the service of an invasive medical procedure. Those performing the procedure whether by a doctor, nurse in a company or school district are required by law to give standard of care informed medical consent to a patient or employee. Just because the drug companies are indemnified doesn’t mean that flows downstream to the provider.
My point was solely in reference to the pharmaceutical companies and they will escape any/all liability b/c of how many corrupt politicians are in Congress. As for the rest involved in this, I don't know but I imagine the Fed & State will protect the doctors and medical institutions if they were pushing the agenda.
Whitmer did that in Michigan, giving the DHS the task of doing her bidding. People need to keep resisting as much as possible, it does move things. She recently agreed to a budget that included no mandates, mask or vaccines (we still have a Republican leg.). She has been quiet. It seems that she doesn't have the cakewalk re election bid she thought she would. The last year has been a huge waste of resources and time to very little return if any. My gut says it was a net loss.
We need to vote Republican until we get majorities at state and federal level. I voted Democrat my whole life until I noticed that Republicans were the only politicians fighting for my medical freedoms. At least here in Oregon where Dems have tried to eliminate vax exemptions for the last 4 years.
And you have to keep Republicans to task also. Local politics are actually more important than people think. Last year in August, the poor northern county of Alcona, asked the governor for permission to be put in the northern hospital region and were denied. They then told people to go about their normal business and ignore the gov. She isn't in a typical coastal blue state. There are a lot of redneck type hunters and fishermen here, and we aren't know (except the trout lake Traverse City area) as a place celebrities flock to. I asked a local Republican how he got elected (high union area) and he said most people are conservative and don't know it. Truth.
Also, I voted for Jimmy Carter, so bear that on my mind. At least I still think he is a decent person.
Corporate in-house lawyer here, you're confusing different parts of the EO. The big newsmaker was of course the private employer mandate, which is supposed to be an OSHA rule, and yes, they haven't issued it yet. Until that happens, nothing really changes for most people. But at the same time he also issued directives that covered federal contractors, and they are actually more stringent (no option for testing intead of vaxxing). My organization is not covered by that, so I haven't followed the roll-out as closely, but it seems to be moving forward.
The rollout I’d happening. It’s being implemented in all new contracts awarded. It’s extremely stringent. Requires GC to be responsible for ensuring all subcontractors down the line are all vaxxed. Also states any person who visits our office must b vaxxed. How will this b regulars/enforced? How is the GC supposed to b responsible for all this? What about liability regarding holding medical info on ur own employees as well as other companies employees?!
Yes, ridiculous. Maybe that's the point, tyranny is when everyone is doing something illegal, and the authorities selectively and/or capriciously decide who gets targeted for prosecution.
I work for a sub-contractor to the Dept. of Energy. They are requiring all employees get vaccinated or they will consider us to have resigned. No option for testing either. I work remotely and have been to my office 6 times in 20 months. This is crazy.
'Considering" you to have resigned is effectively a termination in violation of the law. Be sure to apply for unemployment and sign nothing.
I definitely won’t sign anything until my lawyer looks at it
The "consider us to have resigned" is so they can't be sued for wrongful termination later. You have to make them fire you if you want to be able to sue later.
How does one do that? hmmm...
Hopefully the courts see through the incredibly transparent "We're not firing you, you're quitting" argument.
Still going to be extremely disgusted by lawyers who are not standing up right now for peoples rights if they jump on board and sue after people have had some sort of side effects from the vaccine. They are probably sitting back and salivating waiting for people to have bad outcomes so they can make money off of it. We need a list of lawyers who are actively working against these mandates… Those would be the only ones I would want to make any money off of this.
So from the very start… When they flip-flopped on masks I became immediately skeptical of what was going on. Because of that skepticism I somehow came across Alex Berenson and Elgato and Ian Miller on Twitter even though I am not personally on Twitter and kept me centered knowing others were seeing what I was seeing. I have never considered myself to be an extremely intelligent person… I just tend to have common sense. In my gut nothing has felt right about this. I am a physician and we have done everything contrary to my training and past knowledge.
“Mandating by bluffing” sums it up perfectly. There is no Biden EO and there never will be. Same regarding any OSHA Rule making. They know these mandates are unconstitutional and will never standup in Court. They wanted the private sector to enforce mandates and hope that enough people believe that Biden’s speech was an “order” unto itself.
But what about the latest SCOTUS ruling against NYS teachers?
It wasn't a ruling by SCOTUS ~ it was one activist Supreme acting on her own.
I’ll let myself be fired if my company mandates it. I’ve got a close friend whose law firm is just waiting for the opportunity to sue my employer.
What state are you in?
I tend to agree that there are a significant amount of lies and disinformation out there.
My company works for many Fortune 100 companies in Silicon Valley, and our employees are posted to their campuses due to the nature of our work. Recently, several Silicon Valley customers have told us they'll require us (as a company) to provide them with a list of the vaccination status of any employee posted to their campus.
In conversations with their lawyers, they've assured me that HIPAA and the ADA do not apply to the vaccination status of our employees. We can disclose that without fear of liability, they claimed. But, when asked for authority to support this, they cannot point to anything. There are local orders in Santa Clara County requiring them to ascertain the vaccination status of all "personnel" on their premises. But, there's nothing that relieves an employer of the confidentiality obligations under HIPAA and the ADA.
So, when I asked them to indemnify our company against the class actions for improper disclosure of medical exams (since they were so confident that HIPAA and ADA did not apply), the conversation died as did the requirement that we tattle on our employees. Not a good business strategy in most instances but better than facing a class action.
The only person that can legally release that information is the individual it pertains to. If I found out you released my private medical information to a third-party, I would sue the pants off of you, and I’d win.
Good for you for holding their feet to the fire. Every employer needs to do the same.
Sundance at Conservative Treehouse noticed within days of Xiden's announcement that OSHA had not initiated the process for requiring vax in companies with 100+ employees. It appeared to be just a fig leaf for companies that wanted to require the vax.
They’ve covered all their bases with this “mandate”. And unfortunately I live in an employment at will state. Republicans are absolutely useless. I did see a lawyer on social media who stated that if you’re mandated, and you suffer an injury, demand your employer fill out an OSHA 300 and go from there. She states that they actually will be liable. I guess we’ll see soon enough.
Rather than taking a risk with injection, ask your employer to acknowledge their liability to you in the event of an adverse reaction. OSHA is playing games with liability by not requiring employers to report adverse events from their mandate, so make them responsible first. How much you wanna bet, they'll have a real issue with this?
Every single of my friends who told their employer to sign the liability form for the jabs quietly got exceptions instead.
Oh, and of course they should acknowledge that they're liable in writing.
Let's keep the generalization of Republicans and Democrats out of Alex's substance. There are people on both sides fighting against the vaccine zealotry, infighting about other things does not help. I'm a libertarian and I know most of the Republican party at the Federal level is full of spineless cowards but the Democrat party has its Authoritarian Left wing. I don't classify all Democrats as being one similar group.
Here in Oregon, Democrats are the only ones pushing mandates and vax passports. And have been trying to eliminate vax exemptions for several years. I used to vote Democrat all my life. No more. I see the fascist trend and tactics reaching new levels. Totally unacceptable. As of now, and in order to defend the health and freedom of my teenagers, I have become a ONE-issue voter: medical freedom it is. All else can be resolved later but health comes first.
And there are some state level Republicans pushing it to. Both parties are involved in pushing the vaccine but the Democrat's are definitely more behind it than Republicans. If your a Republican you know the party ha a problem with sell-outs and RHINOs
name one democrat who is brave enough to call out this harmful pharma dictatorship. I can name many republicans: DeSantis, Texas governer, kristi Noem, Ted Cruz, Don Huffines, Rand Paul, Ron Johnson.
I don't know if any Democrats have done that. My reference to Manchan other like Senema was to point out that not everyone in eth Democrat party is towing the party's agenda in full. @Katie could be a Democrat based on her post and so I was trying to not come across being "All Democrats" are X".
"Republicans are absolutely useless." That is for sure. Good for a couple of rhetorical gestures and then they head for the hills.
Really? Do you want those who are on the Rights to start detailing the crimes of the Left here when this is supposed to be about the vaccine madness being promoted by government as a whole and also by persons in both parties? Neither side is without sin.
Maybe the administration wants to delay another public failure for a while. Even their fiercest cheerleaders are starting to notice the persistent incompetence.
How can OSHA regulate those govt contractors who work only from home?
Wife and I will be in the same boat. Just waiting for d-day when they modify our contracts and try to force the jab on us. Been working from home since March 2020, but somehow we now "pose a threat to mission success".
Straight from the government letter some other posted: "Contractor or subcontractor workplace location – means a location where covered contract employees work, including a covered contractor workplace or Federal workplace."
But then a few sentences later: "Covered contractor workplace – means a location controlled by a covered contractor at which any employee of a covered contractor working on or in connection with a covered contract is likely to be present during the period of performance for a covered contract. A covered contractor workplace does not include a covered contractor employee’s residence."
Can some legal person clarify this? What does this mean for fully remote personnel?
September 24 guidance, (https://www.saferfederalworkforce.gov/downloads/Draft%20contractor%20guidance%20doc_20210922.pdf) says:
“ Q11: How does this Guidance apply to covered contractor employees who are authorized under the covered contract to perform work remotely from their residence?
A: An individual working on a covered contract from their residence is a covered contractor employee, and must comply with the vaccination requirement for covered contractor employees, even if the employee never works at either a covered contractor workplace or Federal workplace during the performance of the contract.”
Elsewhere I read that the reason is because the remote worker -might- need to go to the office sometime. I’ll try to find that source.
if a remote worker really does not ever need to go to office, can't lawyers sue the government for discrimination?
I meant: sue the federal government or the employer or the employer's contractor.
if an employee only goes to office infrequently, e.g. once a month, they can just test on the day they do, at least on their own cost. A negative PCR test has much more predictive value about non-infectiosness than vaccines. vaccines themselves were validated based on PCR tests. Not allowing the testing option ONLY on days they visit office should be grounds for a discrimination suite.
Good question
I read a story last week that OSHA is not keen on this compliance task. For one thing it's a small agency
No idea. But I have seen so many companies do this it makes my head spin.
I was the Co chair of the patient and family advocacy counsel(a volunteer) and the hospital told me that our governor told them that the mandate extends to volunteers and I would have to step down by the first if I don't get vaccinated. 90% of the work is virtual on zoom. As co chair I not only fight for better outcomes for patients, I fight for patients rights so while my rights are being violated I will no longer be able to fight for patient rights. To top it off, I am a longterm patient at this hospital so i am physically there every month for appointments and treatments.
Imagine09, I question whether this already illegal order can apply to volunteers. They don't pay you or handle your health insurance. Word of mouth is not a mandate.
You know what. I wondered the exact same thing and told them I do this for free and I don't work for them but what can you do? I can't believe they are sacrificing patient outcomes for illegal mandates. What does that say about the hospital?
Seems to be working so far...
Alex: If there is no official order, how does this impact the millions of workers who have taken the vax to keep their job or already been fired for refusing? Also, since the only FDA approved vaccine (Cormidy?) is not yet available in the U.S., how can people be forced to receive an experimental vaccine? Most everyone involved in this tyranny has been given immunity from any legal repercussions. Would that include employers who are requiring a non-approved vaccine as a condition of employment?
Excellent question! Anyone getting a vaccine today is still getting an EUA vaccine. There are NO FDA-approved vaccines available. An employer today could be sued if they have nothing in writing from OSHA requiring them to fire people who won't take an experimental jab.
Don’t forget Southwest Air. We got the email yesterday that the government is our biggest contract and that makes us government contractors — required to get the shot or file an exemption which they will grant in ‘limited’ way, whatever that means. Sure wish one of the CEOs of these big companies had the balls to say no to this. But, as Tucker Carlson said, “Where are all the men?” As is, we will be fired. We’ve had covid. We have medical reasons for refusing. We have religious reasons for refusing. And the first moderna shot almost killed my father in law. Our broken hearts will heal but vaccine injured bodies don’t.
My emp[oyer is now requiring all US employees to upload their vaccination cards. It goes to a third-party company, ServiceNow database, https://www.servicenow.com/company/media/press-room/servicenow-cisco-enhance-contact-tracing.html where our company can contact trace people. This is all in the guise according to our CEO that people in our company want to know who is vaccinated and who isn't. As if it makes a difference, both vac and non-vac can pass the virus, insanity at its finest. Plus our CEO states that there may be"real implications" for our company if we don't comply on a Federal level. I see it as the backdoor to a national registry. When will it ever become a civil rights violation? We need GDPR laws in the US to protect our data ASAP!
You should join vivabarnes.locals.com and send a msg to Robert Barnes about this. He's a constitutional lawyer fighting thus ( he's suing Tyson foods over their mandate) and he may be able to provide you with some info on options you have and are unaware if. Your employer is never going to inform you of your options if they make forcing thud on you harder and their not requ5by law to tell you so you have to look into it on your own. I think many would be surprised to learn they have more options about thus than what their employer is telling them. Good luck.
Here's one way to not get traced... https://silent-pocket.com/
The Leviathan isn't going to get smaller. It's not going to regulate itself or give an ounce of its power. But it's also inflexible, careening, and incapable of changing course. We are flexible. We're wasting our time trying to reign in Leviathan. We need our own p to p economy, transportation, institutions, and media. For this, we need to gather physically in the same space.
Here's a question - at this point I'm starting to wonder if it's worth it to uproot my family and move to a red state (we are in Washington). What do you guys think? It seems that the feds are squeezing even companies that ordinarily would be willing to hire unvaxxed by threatening big fines.
Do you vote Blue?
Don't vote for what you flee. Texas has some anti-vaccine mandate bills on the schedule for the special session. Not sure what will happen. I think Montana may be better on this.
Here in Montana, House Bill 702 protects against discrimination based on vaccine status. Vax requirements for employees are banned, and (I believe) mask mandates are now illegal. Obviously there's been pushback, and I don't know if state law will supersede new OSHA rules. Overall though, I'm glad as hell to live here.
We moved from a red state to WA a few years ago and are looking to go back. I have one of those contractor jobs that is really good for us and hoping that my vaccine exemption request is approved.
I’m in Oregon and already looking at red states. Although central Oregon is fairly non-compliant in many ways but not sure about this. My daughter has a job interview at Bachelor so that will be the litmus.
I'm in Clackamas County. Have been voting red since Republicans stood up to defend vax exemptions a few years ago. Please stay and VOTE RED. We need to stop this fascist trend pushed by Democrats.
I found this exemption map by state. I have family all over the country so I'm sharing how their state stands regarding religious/philosophical exemptions. https://www.ncsl.org/research/health/school-immunization-exemption-state-laws.aspx
Choose Your Own Adventure w/an Etch A Sketch admin.
Love this comment!
Oh my Gosh this is hilarious.
If we all stood up and politely told them to shove it, what are they going to do? Fire their whole work force or terminate the whole armed forces? Just say NO!
But there will be thousands of "retired" armed forces willing to fight from the outside.
the threat of the osha requirement has worked as well as if the commander-in-creep had issued an executive order so there is no need for him to do so...
until the corporate lawyers figure out that they are operating without a net and that the company will end up liable for requiring employees to take an experimental drug.
maybe but meanwhile, back at the ranch, employees are caving in to the demand which i understand since being unemployed(and unemployable under this threat) is a tough pill to swallow...
This is the most intelligent group of people on the internet. I really enjoy reading the comments, makes me feel sane in an insane world.
Requiring workers to be vaccinated or lose their job is EVIL! Feed your family or starve?? They won’t stop at 2 doses though, continual boosters will be mandated as condition of employment….as well as vaccine pass to participate in really anything. It’s coming! Diabolical
Where is OSHA on the 4,000+ US deaths related to the vaccine side effects ? Not to mention the many more with long term injuries .... insane ????
Go 1099.
Not yet but soon... it looks like 1099 will go the way of the dinosaur. https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/499789-the-coronavirus-just-ended-independent-contracting-as-we-know-it
This is the guidance document that was sent to our company (even though not Federal worker we fall under the contracts 'somehow'): https://www.saferfederalworkforce.gov/downloads/Draft%20contractor%20guidance%20doc_20210922.pdf
No guidelines yet on exemptions - I need this order NOT to go through!
No testing option for Washington State Workers.
Inslee is balls-deep in the scam.
So they don't have a testing option?
Somehow we fall under 'FAR' and NO testing option; and did I say that I work right now 100% from home?
I feel like I am living in a horror movie
Me too.
For most federal contractors there is no test option according to the guidelines, even if you work remotely.
Florida lawyer Jeff Childers succeeded in getting an injunction against the City of Gainesville's employee vaccine mandate. Jacobson is misunderstood and/or misrepresented by most, he argues.
Here's the template for lawyers willing to challenge the constitutionality of these mandates elsewhere:
Podcast discussion: https://pca.st/episode/9d306781-400d-4350-ba76-d6afc00c34fa
His Substack: https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/-coffee-and-covid-tuesday-september-c3b
Yeah starving people by putting them out of work or essentially putting their lives at risk for a pretty much useless vax. Even if there isn't anything nefarious behind this push - they have made it seem nefarious by the way they are acting (full disclosure I think there is something nefarious behind their actions).
He knows it will get smashed down in front of the courts ASAP so he's 'lying' for as long as he can to 'encourage' people to get the shots.
It's all manipulation and utterly devoid of scientific basis, as people who read know.
Sept 9 2021: https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007/s10654-021-00808-7.pdf
"At the country-level, there appears to be no discernable relationship between percentage of population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases in the last 7 days (Fig. 1). In fact, the trend line suggests a marginally positive association such that countries with higher percentage of population fully vaccinated have higher COVID-19 cases per 1 million peo- ple. Notably, Israel with over 60% of their population fully vaccinated had the highest COVID-19 cases per 1 million people in the last 7 days. The lack of a meaningful asso- ciation between percentage population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases is further exemplified, for instance, by comparison of Iceland and Portugal. Both countries have over 75% of their population fully vaccinated and have more COVID-19 cases per 1 million people than countries such as Vietnam and South Africa that have around 10% of their population fully vaccinated.
The vaccine zealots will ignore anything that challenges their beliefs. For many of them this is like a new religion and its always hardest to get someone to question their faith.
That is true, but honestly I don't give a sh*t what they believe - as long as their belief isn't used as an unchallenged hammer to crush all that is good. The fauci morality police (aka democrats and woke new-age christians) must be challenged at every turn with facts - not to change their minds, but as self defense against imposing anti-American-traditional-culture-and-tolerance restrictions on others driven by their unfactual beliefs.
Get Ready !! DEVOLUTION is coming to a neighborhood near you !!
It was a head fake to give Dem corporate donors the greenlight to implement his tyranny by proxy. just as the media censors people who hold views the gubmint considers wrongthink, so the gubmint doesn't have to. Lawfare 101.
I suggest you visit the OSHA website regarding Covid and vaccine safety just to confirm for yourself:
https://www.osha.gov/coronavirus/faqs#vaccine
But for those who don’t, here ya go:
DOL and OSHA, as well as other federal agencies, are working diligently to encourage COVID-19 vaccinations. OSHA does not wish to have any appearance of discouraging workers from receiving COVID-19 vaccination, and also does not wish to disincentivize employers' vaccination efforts. As a result, OSHA will not enforce 29 CFR 1904's recording requirements to require any employers to record worker side effects from COVID-19 vaccination at least through May 2022. We will reevaluate the agency’s position at that time to determine the best course of action moving forward.
This is borderline if not 100% criminal. OSHA is supposed to be there to protect workers, this policy does the opposite, it hurts workers to protect drug manufacturers and employers..imagine if they crafted this policy in regard to a worker falling off a scissor lift, or being burnt in a chemical explosion at a factory….
So to translate... we want you to be force-vaccinated, so we won't be coming out with written guidelines because we know we can't actually get away with it legally. But in order to encourage the violation of your rights to bodily autonomy, we don't want to know if the forced vaccination causes you irreparable physical harm.
I wouldn't call it "dark brilliance", that gives them too much credit. More like "malevolent conniving" or "reckless willful lying"
Depths of Depravity
Pritzker is trying the exact same thing in Illinois. He’s ‘washing his hands’ by letting the IDPH create the rules. Testing twice a week for the unvaccinated now required.
Question on the mandatory testing: who pays for that? The employer or employee? Around where I live it is getting difficult to find free testing unless you have symptoms. Also, isn’t the CDC getting rid of the tests as of the end of the year? I may have that wrong.
This might help: https://www.dph.illinois.gov/covid19/community-guidance/face-covering-vaccination-requirements
Section 515 was Ammended… creating this out of nothing
Okay..just went through that. Not seeing the testing requirement for the public-at-large, outside of schools/hospital and other similar settings. Still not seeing your 'twice a week testing' for the unvaxxed. Of course, I may have missed it in one of the 'whereas-es'.
None of it is legal. The health department can’t quarantine the healthy. Testing of the well is a form of quarantine… as recently established in a clay county court. The twice weekly language was literally just added… right after my lawsuit was filed….
Thanks! I was being lazy. Thank you for hunting down the link!
No problem..I was just reading it to find out if Pritz went full Hochul on us. Doesn't seem so, yet. Of course, in Illinois we have that pesky little Health Care Conscience Act floating around. I know Pritz and his minions would LOVE to get rid of this law.
"It is the public policy of the State of Illinois to respect and protect the right of conscience of all persons who refuse to obtain, receive or accept, or who are engaged in, the delivery of, arrangement for, or payment of health care services and medical care whether acting individually, corporately, or in association with other persons; and to prohibit all forms of discrimination, disqualification, coercion, disability or imposition of liability upon such persons or entities by reason of their refusing to act contrary to their conscience or conscientious convictions in providing, paying for, or refusing to obtain, receive, accept, deliver, pay for, or arrange for the payment of health care services and medical care. It is also the public policy of the State of Illinois to ensure that patients receive timely access to information and medically appropriate care."
Discrimination. It shall be unlawful for any person, public or private institution, or public official to discriminate against any person in any manner, including but not limited to, licensing, hiring, promotion, transfer, staff appointment, hospital, managed care entity, or any other privileges, because of such person's conscientious refusal to receive, obtain, accept, perform, assist, counsel, suggest, recommend, refer or participate in any way in any particular form of health care services contrary to his or her conscience.
(Source: P.A. 90-246, eff. 1-1-98.)
Required for whom? I've not seen this in the news anywhere.
I'm a lawyer and none of this looks legal to me. But we're in different times. I'm not convinced that anyone in this administration cares one whit about legality or constitutionality.
You might have different rights, depending not only on whether your employer is a public or private entity, and on where you reside.
I'm not an employment lawyer and won't offer advice, but a bit of common sense goes a long way if you find yourself in the predicament in which your job is being threatened for noncompliance. What would I do in this situation? I would demand to be provided any written policies. I would demand that every communication from the employer on the mandate be put in writing, and put mine in writing as well. I would apply for any applicable exemptions. (I would not lie; that could give them a reason to terminate later on.) I would seek a medical evaluation and/or testing to establish baseline health status. I'd get tested again after the shots. I'd ask the employer for reimbursement of any co-pays or expenses for being medically evaluated. Above all, I would communicate unequivocably and in writing that I am submitting solely because they have required it. If I want to keep my job, I would not under any circumstances resign. If terminated, I'd demand a written notice of termination. And I'd then get a good plaintiff's employment lawyer, if you haven't already.
If he hasn’t actually issued one, then don’t remind him!
Bwahahaha - right!
Thanks Alex. Our State Attorney General recently spoke at a local event in SC and was pressed on when he was going to bring forth his legal opinion against Biden's vaccine mandate. We were let in on a dirty little secret. There is no legal mandate to date, and therefore there can't be a lawsuit against just mere words spoken at a Press conference. This is just the 'perception' of a mandate. Right now all of the private companies are enforcing this 'mandate' of their own accord because they were coerced by the POTUS to do so. This is just further evidence of the government overreaching and manipulating the American people that there is a law that they actually have no authority to enforce (CDC evictions anyone). It won't stop here. We have to work together and continue to hold up the Truth. The law is only for those who follow the law. Right now the current administration is willing to do things they know will only get them a slap on the wrist, but they're doing a lot of harm in the meantime.
Here's a clue (read this twice):
"OSHA has previously indicated that reactions to a COVID-19 vaccination are not recordable under 29 C.F.R. Part 1904, at least for now:
"OSHA does not wish to have any appearance of discouraging workers from receiving COVID-19 vaccination, and also does not wish to disincentivize employers’ vaccination efforts. As a result, OSHA will not enforce 29 CFR 1904’s recording requirements to require any employers to record worker side effects from COVID-19 vaccination at least through May 2022.
https://www.bdlaw.com/publications/prepare-now-for-a-new-osha-emergency-temporary-standard-on-covid-19/
Not requiring them to record them and putting your employer on notice that the vaccines they forced you to take to keep your job are two different things.
Let’s see how many people start suing their employers for this bogus mandate. Let’s see what OSHA does when the crap actually hits the fan. SOMEONE has to accept liability.
Not to mention there is ZERO informed consent to being given.
Plus , The approved version of the Pfizer vaccine is not even available in the USA. You can’t mandate a vaccine that’s not available.
I would document EVERYTHING, and get everything in writing.
NEXT-
NATIONAL ANXIETY EPIDEMIC
Everyone must take XANAX daily or lose a job.
When government "gives" anything to any person, group or country, it will make demands on what it wants in return. Government can (and will) change the rules after the dependent entity becomes totally dependent.
"Social Security" was a socialist agenda from its inception, crafted by the socialist organization, the "International Labor Organization" (ILO). Read, "The Making of the New Deal - The Insiders Speak": "There are probably about two people in the country who know that the legislation for the Social Security system ... were done with the technical assistance of the ILO." (First major step in total population control).
Title 42 U.S.C. 666, imposed mandatory submission of social security number as a condition for any form of license to engage in business or travel. (Second major step).
Title 42 U.S.C 666, penalties for failing to comply with OSHA regulations (now being used to compel compliance with vaccine mandate). (Third major step).
The next and ongoing step is to give everyone a standard, universal identification number (code or marker) that will be used to verify not only vaccine status but the status of individual compliance with all other edicts and mandates.
"The quest to give everyone in the world a form of identification—a digital form, inevitably—has gathered energy over the past decade. In 2014 the World Bank launched Identification for Development, or ID4D, a program that aims to improve access to the bank’s resources in areas such as health, financial inclusion, and social welfare."
https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2020-covid-vaccine-tracking-biometric/
It's a giant game of chicken Dr. McCullough says.