So the Democrats said that Biden was not mentally fit to stand before a trial so now he’s magically mentally fit to pardon these people who literally killed millions of grandparents, locked away innocent people in prison for four years and sold our secrets to China?!?!
I'm sorry when Trump pardons the J6 protesters he needs to tell the radicals to STFU.
The House and Senate need to bring Fauci, Brennan, Clapper, and all the J6 committee members in to testify under oath. Since they have pardons, they have no fifth amendment rights. Then they either tell the truth or get slapped with contempt of Congress and jail like Steve Bannon.
I have been reading online analyses saying that pardons once issued cannot be reversed. But there is precedent to suggest that pardons not yet effective (because they weren't yet delivered to the intended recipient) can be, I'll say, taken back. I'm not sure what constitutes delivery in today's modern era, but the point is the effectiveness of the pardon. If a pardon is never effective in the first place, there need be no effort to reverse it. And if Joe Biden, as an elderly man with a poor memory, has been judged not competent to stand trial, does he have the capacity to pardon anyone? Is he even the one doing do, as the Constitution requires? But of course who has legal standing to raise this challenge? I'm guessing SCOTUS would effectively say no one -- mindful of the havoc a ruling otherwise would cause. One last thing: state charges. If Hunter didn't pay federal taxes, do we really think he paid his state taxes? But this would likely be of no help with Fauci, who would no doubt argue he was acting under authority of federal law, and that such preempts state law.
The power of pardon is plenary and unassailable. The fact that he is senile has no bearing on the argument. There was evidence of his senility was plain prior to the 2020 election hence the "basement campaign".
This isn’t just corruption, this is Biden trying to rewrite history and shield his cronies before Trump walks in to clean house.
Biden, the puppet of leftist elites, has cemented himself as the most pathetic, destructive, and cowardly president in U.S. history. This isn’t leadership - it’s desperation from a man who couldn’t lead a lemonade stand, let alone the greatest nation on Earth.
His presidency ends as it began: a colossal failure for America
Alex - This means they can go after Francis Collins real hard. Give him immunity from jail time if he signs on Fauci. The truth is still required here.
I've heard it said about Hunter Biden as well that the upside to a pardon is that he can't now plead the fifth. I don't know if that's true, but it does suggest that Congress can still try to get to the truth even if Fauci's only vulnerability is reputational.
that is my understanding from lawyer friends. No expert myself. But the truth is more important than any punishment and at this point punishing Fauci would make him a sympathetic character to the left.
Pardon isn't reversed but the pardon can only be up to the day issued. If you don't appear it is contempt of court/congress, if you lie it is perjury, and these crimes are after the pardon and you can be tried and jailed.
I expect that the truth will come out on all of these people. Whether via declassified docs, expedited FOIA requests, etc. All of these crimes will become common knowledge shredding any remaining credibility of the mainstream media who are complicit in cover ups. These people are going to need pardons.
Thank you. I am under no such illusion with the R congress. I have hope that most of this can be initiated by Trump himself, then devoured by investigative journalist with integrity. Now is their time for vindication.
For those Pardoned by Biden, Trump should sign an Executive Order cutting off all federal retirement payments for anyone who received a presidential pardon until the full nature of their crimes against America and the constitution are fully understood.
And then push congress to pass a law that terminates federal retirement payments for anyone found to have committed felonious acts while employed by the federal government as evidence by either a jury conviction, a presidential pardon for such acts, or a refusal to testify before congress asserting 5th amendment protections!
I believe that Fauci knew, not guessed but KNEW, that HCQ+Zinc & Ivermectin either wiped out Covid infections or mitigated its severity. But rather than value human life he chose the big money coming down the road with “vaccines”. And for that, he should do time.
None of us will have KNOWN a more sinister complicit individual in OUR lifetimes. What he has been responsible for over the past 45 years + is truly beyond words, and now we the people are paying him a generous pension until he dies.
Sickening. There’s got to be a way around this. Civil suits maybe? Not surprising but so slimy and lacking in any sense of justice or ethics. I’m guessing Trump’s team has a plan in place for this scenario as they, like many of us, could see the writing on the wall as the saying goes. Hang in there. I just read a short article on some of the 200 executive orders he will sign today and they all sound terrific.
If there is a pattern of underlying crimes, a federal civil RICO suit. Also, Fauci is a retired officer in the USPHS Commissioned Corps. He could be recalled to active duty by the President and sent somewhere...
I think whoever really thought this up DOES know Fauci broke the law. An awful side-stepping of justice for all of us. Keep up the good fight, Alex, you may be our last hope.
There is no such thing as a preemptive pardon so Fauci should be prosecuted for his crimes. That no such concept exists can be illustrated by the following example: A POTUS enters the White House and once all of his personnel have been ensconced in their respective offices, the POTUS issues a preemptive pardon to everyone who is working for him which means that no matter what they may have done in the past, they have each been issued a 'Never Enter A Jail Free Card.' What Biden has done is a sick joke perpetrated on the public which should not be allowed to stand. And the way to do that is to expose this sick joke in a court of law by indicting Fauci. Time for Fauci to spend all that swag he has accumulated on legal fees.
Does this pardon mean that he can be called to testify & would be unable to assert any 5th Amendment refusal to answer questions? Those could be some interesting Q&A... and lying to Congress in THOSE hearings would be outside the scope of the pardons.
GatoMalo suggests congressional subpoena of everyone pardoned & extensive questioning under oath. The pardons don't cover any new perjury. Maybe they can't be prosecuted, but they be shamed in front of the whole world
To massively discredit Fauci, for him to be globally recognized as an instigator and cause of deliberate death in the millions will help. That must happen. Your suit is important. And perhaps a congressional committee should be created just to investigate covid, Gates, WHO, Fauci, NIH & their financial associations.
This needs to be challenged legally. Biden isn’t competent to have decided anything.
Hell yes.
So the Democrats said that Biden was not mentally fit to stand before a trial so now he’s magically mentally fit to pardon these people who literally killed millions of grandparents, locked away innocent people in prison for four years and sold our secrets to China?!?!
I'm sorry when Trump pardons the J6 protesters he needs to tell the radicals to STFU.
Yes, not fit to stand trial, only fit to waive them.
Excellent, excellent point.
The House and Senate need to bring Fauci, Brennan, Clapper, and all the J6 committee members in to testify under oath. Since they have pardons, they have no fifth amendment rights. Then they either tell the truth or get slapped with contempt of Congress and jail like Steve Bannon.
I think Trump should come into office and issue a blanket 4-year pardon for everyone in his administration, just for the hell of it.
Yes! That's the key positive that emerges from these egregious pardons.
I have been reading online analyses saying that pardons once issued cannot be reversed. But there is precedent to suggest that pardons not yet effective (because they weren't yet delivered to the intended recipient) can be, I'll say, taken back. I'm not sure what constitutes delivery in today's modern era, but the point is the effectiveness of the pardon. If a pardon is never effective in the first place, there need be no effort to reverse it. And if Joe Biden, as an elderly man with a poor memory, has been judged not competent to stand trial, does he have the capacity to pardon anyone? Is he even the one doing do, as the Constitution requires? But of course who has legal standing to raise this challenge? I'm guessing SCOTUS would effectively say no one -- mindful of the havoc a ruling otherwise would cause. One last thing: state charges. If Hunter didn't pay federal taxes, do we really think he paid his state taxes? But this would likely be of no help with Fauci, who would no doubt argue he was acting under authority of federal law, and that such preempts state law.
The power of pardon is plenary and unassailable. The fact that he is senile has no bearing on the argument. There was evidence of his senility was plain prior to the 2020 election hence the "basement campaign".
SCOTUS bound, no doubt. that's not pardon, that's immunity, and can only be granted by the prosecution.
How is this legal and binding? How do you pardon someone for something they haven’t done and isn’t defined? The new DOJ has to challenge this
Fauci is guilty of crimes against humanity going back to HIV and even before.
This isn’t just corruption, this is Biden trying to rewrite history and shield his cronies before Trump walks in to clean house.
Biden, the puppet of leftist elites, has cemented himself as the most pathetic, destructive, and cowardly president in U.S. history. This isn’t leadership - it’s desperation from a man who couldn’t lead a lemonade stand, let alone the greatest nation on Earth.
His presidency ends as it began: a colossal failure for America
this is exactly what I shrieked. This cannot be legal, this can't stay legal, presidents shouldn't be allowed to do this
Maybe someone will be incentivized to give him the Luigi Nicholas Mangione treatment.
Alex - This means they can go after Francis Collins real hard. Give him immunity from jail time if he signs on Fauci. The truth is still required here.
yes - go after the the guys without a "get out of jail free" card. and make Fauci testify. He cant plead the fifth.
I've heard it said about Hunter Biden as well that the upside to a pardon is that he can't now plead the fifth. I don't know if that's true, but it does suggest that Congress can still try to get to the truth even if Fauci's only vulnerability is reputational.
that is my understanding from lawyer friends. No expert myself. But the truth is more important than any punishment and at this point punishing Fauci would make him a sympathetic character to the left.
IIRC, If Hunter, Fauci, or anyone lies on the record while giving any testimony related to J6/COVID, Russiagate or anything, their pardon is reversed.
Pardon isn't reversed but the pardon can only be up to the day issued. If you don't appear it is contempt of court/congress, if you lie it is perjury, and these crimes are after the pardon and you can be tried and jailed.
Thank you. I knew their were some guardrails, but I guess I didn't RC.
I expect that the truth will come out on all of these people. Whether via declassified docs, expedited FOIA requests, etc. All of these crimes will become common knowledge shredding any remaining credibility of the mainstream media who are complicit in cover ups. These people are going to need pardons.
I liked your comment. But you're assuming the Republicans are interested in uncovering the truth. I think that's misguided.
Remember in the next primary, vote for better, more conservative Republicans.
Thank you. I am under no such illusion with the R congress. I have hope that most of this can be initiated by Trump himself, then devoured by investigative journalist with integrity. Now is their time for vindication.
We knew this would happen.
The least Trump can do is remove his taxpayer-paid security.
If he's afraid, he can pay for it himself out of his government pension.
For those Pardoned by Biden, Trump should sign an Executive Order cutting off all federal retirement payments for anyone who received a presidential pardon until the full nature of their crimes against America and the constitution are fully understood.
And then push congress to pass a law that terminates federal retirement payments for anyone found to have committed felonious acts while employed by the federal government as evidence by either a jury conviction, a presidential pardon for such acts, or a refusal to testify before congress asserting 5th amendment protections!
That's a great idea.
I'm trying to take some comfort in thinking that pardoned or not, these people are forever disgraced.
Sorta like those asterisks in the MLB stats about Pete Rose.
I believe that Fauci knew, not guessed but KNEW, that HCQ+Zinc & Ivermectin either wiped out Covid infections or mitigated its severity. But rather than value human life he chose the big money coming down the road with “vaccines”. And for that, he should do time.
None of us will have KNOWN a more sinister complicit individual in OUR lifetimes. What he has been responsible for over the past 45 years + is truly beyond words, and now we the people are paying him a generous pension until he dies.
100%.
Sadly not surprising but the fact that Biden is mentally incompetent should be addressed. This new administration has one helluva to do list!
Yup. There's nothing that screams guilty for people pardoned for shit they supposedly didn't do.
Minority Report Blanket Pardons.
Fucking scumbags.
Pardon my French.
Sickening. There’s got to be a way around this. Civil suits maybe? Not surprising but so slimy and lacking in any sense of justice or ethics. I’m guessing Trump’s team has a plan in place for this scenario as they, like many of us, could see the writing on the wall as the saying goes. Hang in there. I just read a short article on some of the 200 executive orders he will sign today and they all sound terrific.
If there is a pattern of underlying crimes, a federal civil RICO suit. Also, Fauci is a retired officer in the USPHS Commissioned Corps. He could be recalled to active duty by the President and sent somewhere...
Somewhere far away
in a galaxy far, far away.
I like the way you think…Antarctica or…?
I think whoever really thought this up DOES know Fauci broke the law. An awful side-stepping of justice for all of us. Keep up the good fight, Alex, you may be our last hope.
Alex, what party would have legal standing to challenge the constitutionality of the proactive pardons given out today?
None. The power is plenary.
There is no such thing as a preemptive pardon so Fauci should be prosecuted for his crimes. That no such concept exists can be illustrated by the following example: A POTUS enters the White House and once all of his personnel have been ensconced in their respective offices, the POTUS issues a preemptive pardon to everyone who is working for him which means that no matter what they may have done in the past, they have each been issued a 'Never Enter A Jail Free Card.' What Biden has done is a sick joke perpetrated on the public which should not be allowed to stand. And the way to do that is to expose this sick joke in a court of law by indicting Fauci. Time for Fauci to spend all that swag he has accumulated on legal fees.
We knew this would happen.
The least Trump can do is remove Fauci's taxpayer-paid security.
Let Fauci pay for it himself, if he's so afraid/worried.
Does this pardon mean that he can be called to testify & would be unable to assert any 5th Amendment refusal to answer questions? Those could be some interesting Q&A... and lying to Congress in THOSE hearings would be outside the scope of the pardons.
But he could just say he doesn't remember ...
Ugh.
Where have we heard that before?
I have a suggestion for a new law.
All presidential pardons must be finalized and publicized at least 4 weeks prior to the preceding presidential election.
This way everyone can see what scoundrels are being pardoned and can factor those decisions into their vote.
This sneaky pardoning done in the final days of an administration is garbage.
Also, the president must take a mental competency test before being allowed to pardon anyone.
How about no pardons in the last year of presidency?
GatoMalo suggests congressional subpoena of everyone pardoned & extensive questioning under oath. The pardons don't cover any new perjury. Maybe they can't be prosecuted, but they be shamed in front of the whole world
How about a mental competency test to hold the office in the first place? But yes, I agree with you. It's infuriating.
Your lawsuit has just gone from necessary to crucial!!
To massively discredit Fauci, for him to be globally recognized as an instigator and cause of deliberate death in the millions will help. That must happen. Your suit is important. And perhaps a congressional committee should be created just to investigate covid, Gates, WHO, Fauci, NIH & their financial associations.
I believe they can still prosecuted at the State level and also have a subpoena issued to them.