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My husband is a pilot for AA. He is “sick”. He’s going to stay “sick”. I hope his fellow pilots will do the same. Time to turn the tide. Let’s Go Brandon.

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We have his back. We have your back. There are FAR, FAR more of us than the totalitarian Left wants everyone to believe. To wit: Chicago back down from their vaxx mandate on teachers. Enough teachers (already a Liberal/Leftist cabal) in deep-blue Chicago, in deep-blue Illinois, forced Chicago to back down.

It's not right-wingers, it's not partisan at all; it's people from ALL walks of life who are fighting this Leftist tyranny.

Thank your husband, thank you. Your sacrifices are not unnoticed and will NOT be in vain. We will stand shoulder to shoulder with you, if/when it comes to that.

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We need civil disobedience in numbers.

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100% DO NOT COMPLY

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Nor should the people we hold the power.

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People need to realize this. They're too busy wanting to go back to the bar, casino and restaurant to worry about giving away their children's future. History won't look back on them kindly.

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I think the way it is unfolding now is better-- chaotic unpredictable and non-violent. Exercising our rights where we can

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"Unfortunately, we now know the vaccines do not preclude infection or transmission. As a result, we are forcing people to choose between their livelihoods and a freedom-robbing vaccination mandate with no rationale. We are only beginning to see the dire consequences of these ill-advised mandates."

Author: U.S. Sen. Ron Johnson, a Republican from Wisconsin.

An Awakening? I hope more Politicians wake up !!!

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For sure only governments take your not give them ours are inalienable by our creator. Present day rulers do not know or like our constitution yet they take a oath too protect and defend. Most have no intention to be responsible. Just show them the money and spin everything

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not wanting forced medical procedures might be one thing most Americans agree on regardless of your politics; biden may unite us all yet!

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Unproven, untested forced experimental medical procedures, to boot, about which there are ZERO long-term safety data (or efficacy data, FTM).

Remember, it took four YEARS to discover the disaster that was Thalidomide.

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Vioxx too!! (Merck's FUCKUP and they have a new magic Covid Pill!! )

I guess NO LONG TERM STUDIES falls on deaf ears until it's too late !!

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Agreed! But you know what I don’t get? Is why do people have to have a religion or medical reason to explain why they should be exempt? I’m against use of using aborted fetuses in development of anything. It has nothing to do with religion. I do have problems with meds and in the end, doctor wouldn’t write an exemption, but it’s crazy to me people have to have some “official” reason to be against this vaxx for whatever reason. It pisses me off to no end!

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Complete agree. That issue is continually glossed over. I have a right to say 'NO' and I don't need a doctor or pastor to give me that authority, either!

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That would be something! I still think it’s some of the other changes like the bank transaction issue I mentioned earlier that woke people up to Biden’s regime. If there’s one thing most of us have in common, is we are protective when it comes to money and our bank accounts and we don’t want anyone telling us how to spend our money (except maybe taxes which we seem to accept - sigh 😔)

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*backed*, not *back* (I wish we could edit our posts, at least within the first 5 minutes after we comment)

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Me too. My typos can’t be corrected.

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If I make a blunder and notice it immediately, I delete it, correct it, and repost.

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I did that with a different post, where I forgot to include nurses in my list of those who are risking everything. But no one had "liked" or commented on that one yet. This one already had reactions, so I didn't want to mess with the thread continuity.

Still...Substack SHOULD be sophisticated enough to allow edits, at least within a reasonable window of time if not totally open-ended. I get how they might not want to allow you to edit something 2 days later, but for example The Epoch Times and the WSJ allow edits within, I think, 5 minutes of posting.

Substack should incorporate that.

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Maybe write the comment in a different app then copy-paste it. Or you can reply to your own comment and add or clarify.

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That's what I did with the one I caught early enough - I copied my original comment, then reposted it in here with the correction, then deleted the original.

I actually have added/clarified an earlier post with another comment, but, the situation I'm talking about is not about substance, it's about typos. I cannot stand making typos and then catching them when it's too late! (Yes, I know - be a better proofreader from the get-go! But these kinds of threads are on-the-fly conversations that don't lend themselves to careful oversight. Anyhoo, Substack should allow a five-minute Edit period, IMO. I'd also like to have the ability to do some formatting, italics and bold, for example. Disqus allows that. Substack should, too. You can even do it in MeWe once you learn how to place asterisks properly. Ok, rant over.)

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I've done that as well, but I still wasn't fast enough. My deletion "ruined" a very witty and on-point response from someone else. Editing sometimes changes the comment's meaning and that can also ruin responses, but I still wish we could edit. In the meantime, replying to your own comment with asterisks works OK too.

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Don’t worry about the typos. We are very “sophisticated readers” here and we get it.

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A very sophisticated and UN-vaccinated crowd. ;-)

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Unless you type "your" instead of "you're". Then we might question the efficacy of your post ;-)

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If your MESSAGE gets across, witty or not, you’ve contributed to the discussion, folks. This is not about getting responses. Don’t beat yourselves up.

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Go Brandon! 🤪🤪

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Thanks, KP. I agree. I don't care about my own *mostly witless* responses, but I kinda hate ruining someone else's when THEIR wit and response contributed to the the thread. The levity in these dark times is therapeutic too.

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I agree that it's not *about* getting responses, but it *is* about not messing up a series of responses by deleting a post because of a typo. Because that series of responses is a conversation, and the conversation IMO is more important than any one comment. Which is your point as well, I do understand. It's the message.

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Whenever I feel inclined to complain about Substack forum software, I remind myself that at least it's mostly from this century.

Visit market-ticker.org where there are often some extremely great discussion threads but the forum software Deninger uses over there dates back to the early 90s I think. It's terrible.

But his Covid and government oriented content is good so I put up with the software. First world problems...

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"Editing sometimes changes the comment's meaning and that can also ruin responses" ~ yes, for sure. That's why I favor a 5-minute editing period after the post goes up, like Epoch and WSJ. After that, tough luck. Post a clarifying comment, and live with the typos!

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Hadn't considered a 5-minute editing period!

One difficulty on these super-popular substacks (thank you Alex Berenson from the depths of my heart!) is that the replies fly faster than my fingers and as much as I tell myself to slow down and think, I still want to keep up. I'm not used to "social media" !

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Right. Now, if it is something lengthy I’m posting , I copy it before I post in case I see a typo. Delete and fix. Sometimes I’m just lazy lol

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I voted blue all the way down ticket and am considered a leftist from Portland Oregon. This vaccine issue has made me rethink everything and unite with people on the right.

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Same, but in VA. There are more of us than are willing to get loud. I slapped a Youngkin sign in my yard so fast it made my own head spin. Enough is enough. I'm praying for all of us, that we can limp back to personal freedom and actual tolerance together.

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Welcome! Hope more of you catch on

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Independent all the way here. This is a fight across the spectrum.

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Voting for Blue is voting for totalitarianism. When an organization tells you what to do, how to spend your money and on what, when you can travel, then you have no freedom. When you have racists teaching your kids you have exactly what the communists and Nazis had done. When you look back compare the philosophy to what actually was implemented you should realize that the two are divergent. That is why my philosophy is leave me the hell alone and shut the hell up. W Wilson ruined this country with his Income tax. The man was a tyrant. Dont believe me go back and read the things he instituted and how he did it.

Buddy your ignorance caused the problem.

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Exactly!!!

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Thank your husband, we are fighting this tyranny and I will never back down, ever. My employer in uk is a US law firn trying to mandate his, but I will never take this vaccine for a quick trip, in the uk they’re punishing unvaccinated travellers by making us have more tests and quarantine 😡

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Agreed! This affects all of us despite party lines and a lot are not in favor of forced vaccinations even if they are believers of this one (I’d be willing to bet too that many who got the jab (and won’t admit it) did not get vaccines that have been offered to us because most people I know have never gotten the flu shot or even a tetanus shot).

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I will proudly wear my Let's Go Brandon t-shirt as I sleep at the airport gates. God bless you, your husband and your family!

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I like that, Silverbullitt, I like that a lot!

May God bless all who participate in resisting this evil from the largest group to the smallest individuals. We need to free our children from this tyranny too!

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Tell your husband thank you from a few million likeminded people.

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Prayers that your husband continues to be strong in his "sickness". America is proud of him!

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As an loyal AA customer for years I too pray for his strength!

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Thanks to him for taking a stand against vaccine tyranny!

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Your husband is a King among men. Thank you. It is not going unnoticed

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Please tell him THANK YOU from all of us freedom loving Americans!

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Many thanks to your husband and other pilots who are standing up for America!!! Heroes!!🇺🇸

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A great big thank you to your husband and to all who take a stand for freedom. We're with you!

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Tell your husband I am a huge fan of what he is doing!

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EB - I can't say it any better than the others, but I want the "choir" to be huge THANK YOU and your husband pilot and all the other pilots and crews everywhere that take a stand.

Ephesians 6 Full Armor of God for all of you and His protection, strength and wisdom as well.

Let's Go Brandon!

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Why the little orange flower next to your name?

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Hi CarolAnne - Substack considers me to be a "founding member" (probably, but not necessarily, specific to Alex Berenson) based on my subscription. They have several levels of subscriptions: free, monthly, annual and "founding member." That doesn't mean I'm smarter than anyone else (*very much to the contrary* actually) and it definitely isn't because of a low frequency of typos and misspellings. It just means that I believe in Alex so strongly that I've chosen to support him a bit more than the average bear and that I was sufficiently ticked off by the way Big Tech has treated him (I've never joined Twitter, but they have been particularly unkind to him).

It took a couple months to show up and I almost wish it hadn't. I've never desired the spotlight and my silly contributions don't deserve it.

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Founding Member status is for any particular author. You could have that status on some and not on others. Of course, one can also change their sponsorship too, at any time, but at least at the annual renewal.

I actually think you can be "anonymous" too as to your status if you prefer just mark that in your account.

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Thanks, Dennis, for the clarification!

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Thanks for the explanation. I look forward to reading more of your comments. 😀

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Thanks, CarolAnne and back at you! There are a lot of folks on Alex's posts that I'd love to meet over a cup of coffee, tea or heavier.

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I’ve been wondering what this is too. I was thinking maybe a long time substack subscriber or someone who comments frequently…?

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I think it's more based on subscription level. Yes, I comment more often than I should and sometimes those become a bit silly or off subject and they certainly contain a lot of typos and misspellings.

I'm an old guy and have never participated in "social media." Substack isn't social media but there is a social side of it when we begin to recognize frequent names.

I'm learning that, at times, my adrenaline spikes when I feel strongly about one of Alex's posts (that's most of them by the way) AND when one of my comments collects a lot of up-votes or replies. Learning that is a good thing; succumbing to it is not!

I now understand why young folks can get hooked on (and hurt by) by replies good and bad - it can be like a drug. Or, maybe, for me, like a Snickers Bar.

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I hope he is feeling better as soon as the mandates are lifted. Purely coincidental, I’m sure. 😉

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A mandate-ectomy is needed to cure the woes of the world.

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Tell your husband that we stand with him, all the way. Post here if you need help in your fight.

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Let's Go Brandon indeed!

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Please thank him for me

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Thank God for people like your husband. I believe these pilots will be the saving grace for all companies who do not want to comply with this mandate. We should NEVER be forced to have any medical procedure. There are no approved Covid vaccines in the U.S. so it’s even worse that this is experimental. Nuremberg Code anyone?

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Furthermore, they're not vaccines as that word had been defined for *years*. The dishonest, corrupt CDC had to change the definition of "vaccine" a couple of weeks ago because the Chinese virus experimental drugs weren't acting like vaccines are supposed to act.

So they changed the definition. That's the ONLY reason they're called vaccines now.

I changed the definition of "leg" to include an animal's tail. Wanna buy the world's only five-legged horse? That's illustrative of just how COMPLETELY dishonest and corrupt our CDC is now. Beyond the pale.

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Excellent point!

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Yes!

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I can say this because I have no travel plans at this time. And I hope I would feel the same way if I was a prospective inconvenienced traveler:

I applaud the pilots--and any other workers--who are in a position to push back on this relentless government over reach.

I'm only surprised that it took this long for Americans to assert themselves.

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I am a prospective inconvenienced traveler. I live on an island. I can only get to the States to visit my kids, their families, my new granddaughters, by air. The Christmas and New Year's holidays are approaching. I don't know how this will all shake out by then, but I stand with and behind (and in front of, if it comes to that) everyone who is fighting this tyranny at the possible cost of their jobs - teachers, pilots, nurses, flight attendants, truckers, everyone.

"THESE are the times that try men’s souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman.

Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph.

What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated." ~Thomas Paine, 1776

(I deleted my original post because - a pox upon me! - I forgot to include nurses in my list)

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Love what you have to say here. Discomfort is coming our way if we are to win this fight over tyranny. Discomfort now, freedom later.

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Patriots for freedom have suffered discomfort throughout history! I’m standing up and out, proud if I can be numbered among them. 🇺🇸

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A quote I read today by Ethical Skeptic on Twitter.

“The goal of a syndicate is not a ‘Jeffersonian’ equal justice - but rather retribution for a fictitious offense, absolute power, and genocide.”

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It may be obvious from my post, but to be clear: I am a prospective inconvenienced traveler who will remain in the unvaccinated control group at any and all cost. Period.

I do not and will not take experimental drugs forced upon me, drugs for which there is literally ZERO long-term data about their safety.

I will NOT be Chinese-virus-vaccinated by drugs that are called "vaccines" SOLELY and ONLY because the corrupt, dishonest CDC changed the long-standing definition of "vaccine" because the Chinese virus drugs do not act, and were not acting, like vaccines. So they had to change the long-standing definition of "vaccine" in order to be able to call these experimental drugs "vaccines". F that. F them.

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So you are FAAFO! good for you🥰

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We are prospective inconvenienced travelers with a booked month long trip to HI just over a week from now. We debated on cancelling, though we would stand to lose thousands due to not using our timeshare weeks this year (too late now to roll over). We considered all the mandates and requirements, found a way to easily test in and be able to obtain food despite the insane restrictions on Oahu. We set our expectations appropriately, and we're ready to have a very different vacation on the islands this time.

HOWEVER ... while I will be very, very sad if these plans get disrupted, I will support the pilots and other staff that "sick out" to protest the draconian mandates. When we return from the trip, we have to face our own mandates, as my husband's two-man company is a sub-contractor to a federal contractor, and will be required to jab up in order to keep working from his home office. We are working on getting a religious exemption, and hope that will do. He has some mild heart issues, and he doesn't want to take the risk of exacerbating that. (I "retired" aka gave up looking, after getting laid off from my healthcare IT job, but have had Covid, and natural immunity - but that's not recognized anywhere, yet.) Fortunately, otherwise, living in a very red state, our every day lives will likely be unaffected by mandates. I hope.

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I love Maui and I can’t even imagine going there now . It’s a crazy leftist gov and they are destroying their only economy…. I have friends there and they are dealing with the insane rules , but I’m not going until it comes back , if it does ! A good friend just came back , you can’t go really anywhere if you’re not vaxed and dining is over at 3 pm ???? They don’t want people to gather … I hope Oahu is better !

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Oh no, Oahu is much, much worse right now.

In Maui, if you want to dine inside a restaurant (and they can stay open until 10pm now,) you have to be vax'd, otherwise you can dine outside (and many restaurants do offer this), or get take out.

In Oahu, if you want to dine inside OR outside - basically anywhere you can sit and eat on premises, you have to show that you are vax'd or show negative test results from within the past 48 hours.

Fortunately, Kauai and the Big Island have no such rules and only have the state requirement of masks in all indoor spaces.

Like I said, we have adjusted our expectations, and we are planning on a very different HI trip this time. I just pray we are able to get the rental cars we booked back last April!

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I knew HI was bad, but reading this is really depressing. It's the only state my husband hasn't been to and we thought it would be a great vacation for our 25th (we're about 10 years late, BTW!!) and now it looks like we'll never get there this side of the Kingdom. Good to know Kauai and the Big Island are less restricted as those are the islands on our list, but as I'm diehard anti-mask, those will have to wait too.

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Thanks I love the big island, I did not know that !! 🌈🌴🌺

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You are fortunate to live in a red state….I hope you are not disappointed in your Hawaii trip. Being in a restrictive locked down state like CA, it is not fun to travel in parts of the state that are under a total totalitarian lockdown and mindset. I live in SoCA near the border with Mexico and we are relatively ‘free’ here, but everything from LA north along the coast is not free, and the energy feels quite oppressive.

I know I just went on a week long trip there. (And I drove, did not fly) I couldn’t wait to get home to my freedom loving friends, family and community.

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My heart just breaks for CA - I was born La Jolla, and spent most of my childhood in La Mesa. But my father saw the writing on the wall, and got his family out before everything went to shit - in 1978. I bless his now departed soul every day now - even though I was extremely unhappy at 13 to have to leave my friends and school and all.

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I really respect your thought process through this🥰 The right way will show itself. FYI-- European countries and frankly most in the world recognize natural immunity (through an antibody test typically). It is here in North America (sparing the sane country of Mexico 😊) that we don't respect the bodies wisdom. Why? Cause the Pharma giant squid of greed can't make money off that .

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PS: My cousin’s maiden name was Carol

Jones! Your name caught my eye! And no she would never be a follower of Alex B or read things that he has to say! On the contrary! 😉😀

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HAHA!!! love it-- such a common name in so many areas 🥰

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Yes Mexico may be more sane, but still everyone is wearing masks there and they want you to wear a mask into stores…I live down on the border and go to the dentist in Mexico. I’m perhaps the only or one of the few persons walking on the street without a mask on! And the Mexicans are fairly compliant when it comes to getting the Vacuña!

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Sorry to hear of your experience. I just returned from 12 days in Mexico City and Tecate (A ranch I go to) and I had a different experience. I guess it is all in comparison to what you are experiencing at home. 😊

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In Tecate did you go to Rancho La Puerta? If so The Ranch is in a bit of a bubble there in Tecate…always has been. I have been there s a few times. As far as Mexico City were there people wearing masks everywhere and were they required to go into stores, businesses or museums? Over in San Diego you don’t have to wear a mask to go shopping or into a store…though plenty of the Sheeple are still wearing them!

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I have heard a lot about natural immunity lately. I was in a waiting room a few days ago and CNN was on the TV that was mounted on the wall. The guest speaker said that natural immunity is proven to be as effective as the “vaccine” induced immunity. The info spreading!

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Does your husband on the company? If so, issue a new corporate policy that bands all employees directors and subcontractors from being required to take an experimental medical treatment which it still is.

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It's not that simple. The mandate comes from being a subcontractor to a federal agency. Both my husband and his partner, who is the owner, are opposed to being vax'd, but the mandate comes from the feds. If they walk away, not only would they lose a substantial amount of money (deep into 7 figures) but they'd also risk being sued by the contracting company. It's a flippin mess.

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I understand. Remember, there is no official rule or law on this. There is no OSHA rule. There’s nothing congress is voted on. It’s nothing but smoke and mirrors. 1. Nope. Not doing it. Fire me. 2. Ok sure, just sign this binding legal agreement accepting responsibility for any negative health impacts indefinitely.

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SO perfectly said, Andrew the Great!, along with SOOO many other Freedom lovers, Tyranny fighters, using their voice here. It's truly comforting being surrounded by so many like-minded people during this most uncertain, and literally frightening time. A hUge hug and heartfelt thanks to all, especially those fighting on the front line in this disastrous mess.!!.

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"Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem." Thomas Jefferson, 1787

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Beautiful words!

Our ancestors didn’t win their freedom laying in feathered nests. We must honour their memories.

“We owe our freedom to men who do not bend, kneel or submit”. Winston Churchill

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Beautiful post🥰 Thank-you!

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It is beyond frustrating to be stuck because of this, I understand and I’m sure I will be one of the stranded in the upcoming days. However, this tyranny from the “President” has to be challenged and we the people must do everything possible to show Chinese Joe that he works for us, OT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!!! God bless the pilots, the nurses, the teachers and everyone else refusing the mandates! Let’s go Brendon!!!

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We have to think of the big picture.....if they break my back, they will break yours.

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What bothers me about all this is the speed and eagerness of these companies to implement something that, technically, is not yet a regulation or executive order.

ALL companies, no matter what business they're in, are so beholden to the government they can't wait to follow through on a mere suggestion they should mandate vaccines.

That's something that has to change.

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The airlines all took buckets of money from the Federal Government, now they have to go along to get along. Hospitals too... it's all about being on the Fed Gov payroll.

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Ding-ding-ding-ding, we have a winner.

When you get free money you owe SOMETHING to whomever gave you money.

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And when they want to continue to get free money, that may be the crux of it.

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What's odd is that SW Air doesn't actually get that much fed money via contracts. And to my knowledge, there were no strings attached to the bailout funds. Southwest got $2.3 billion in direct payroll support and a billion dollar loan but still, they don't have to mandate their pilots get the jab because they received those bennies.

What is more likely is that, like a lot of large corporations, they think that mandating shots will ingratiate them to not only the Feds but to the traveling public at large. These C-level types live in such an ivory tower that they believe (feel) that everybody loves them some clot shots.

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And masks! I'm sick of seeing retail employees behind masks! It's difficult to understand them and kind of dehumanizes these people just trying to work. Idiotic corporations are catering to the weak and fearful neurotics. Pisses me off.

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The single most disgusting thing to arise out of this pandemic is the mandate for food service employees to wear masks.

Those people are constantly touching their mask then your silverware, french fries, etc.

They wear their masks into the restroom and after doing their bathroom duties, the flush creates a "toilet plume" which covers their mask with feces particles. They then spend the rest of their day breathing those particles in plus spreading them to your food.

I've stopped going out to eat wherever the employees are masked. Once you see the info on toilet plumes, you can't unsee it.

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And it’s getting old, here in Florida ( Red county) no one has worn a mask in forever, except retail, waitstaff and Country Club employees ( we golf a lot), it’s getting uncomfortable watching those that serve us, who we consider equals and kind people being denigrated behind those filthy masks. We need to stand up for everyone still being forced to mask, it’s insane.

DeSantis has unmasked the school children, Thank God, next are

the Publix cashiers.

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After reading your comment, I don’t think I’m eating out again

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Many restaurant employees don't wash their hands after going to the bathroom. You think they put those "Employees must wash hands before returning to work" signs in the bathroom just for show?

If you're that paranoid about stuff like that, you should never have been eating out all these years, period. The food service industry isn't a 'clean' one, in general.

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I am currently on a Zoom meeting, the bulk of the people are in the office, I work remote.

They broke for lunch and left the camera on. One guy sitting there, in a large conf room that holds 40 or so. He is alone. He is wearing a mask.

They have conditioned so many that they need to wear a mask no matter what.

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Exactly-- I actually stopped such person in my neighbourhood, walking by himself and asked him why he was wearing a mask outside. he said" Its easier, then I don't have to put it remember to put it on when I go into a store" WTF? 😳😳😳

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It's their security blanket...their "blanky". My first thought is how dumb it is but then I catch myself and just pity them.

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I am retiring earlier than I had planned because I work in retail and cannot endure a mask eight hours a day anymore. I don’t like people just walking up and crowding with the line, “it’s okay, I am vaccinated.” I have more chance of getting the virus from them than from my fellow unvaccinated. I have decided not to wait for my company to go along with the mandate. As much as it pains me to take my work ethic away from coworkers, at 68 I just can’t stay.

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I’m sick of seeing college kids in masks... it’s insane.

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If they want to identify as slaves I'm happy to treat them as such. Mockery may not make them reevaluate their decisions, but at least they won't feel so good about them.

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I agree. So many of these young progressive kids see their masks as a badge of courage. An award. They have no idea….

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Bet they've been promise more bailout govt bribes to support the AGENDA. This whole episode stinks of bribery and backroom dealings. WE DO NOT NEED POLITICIANS! IF THEY WERE ALL FIRED AND BANNED LIFE WOULD BE SIMPLE...THEY CREATE ALL OF THE PROBLEMS AND STEAL ALL OF THE MONEY.

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I read somewhere that the FEDS had SW Pilots flying illegals all over the country and they weren't happy about it. Is this true?

If it is true, it's disgusting that the FEDS are pushing the vax issue with pilots and then claiming illegals aren't required to get the vax.

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Its not contracts with the Feds, its an outright briber-er sorry subsidy- $25 b

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I agree the Feds like to throw our money around to get corporations to fall in line. I'm just not sure that an airline who took said bribe in the past is going to doom their company in order to be able to take advantage of some future bribe.

The airline business is a fragile one. These companies come and go. Sure, you can get a bailout from the Feds now and again but that money doesn't buy you more qualified pilots to replace the ones you fired or killed, does it?

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There are a lot of pilots still on the bench because air traffic is still 25% below pre-pandemic levels. Traffic levels will likely continue to be lower than the baseline for another year or two (as happened after 9/11), so those pilots can be called up to fill in the gap caused by those who don't wanna get a jab.

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No, but you are assuming they want to continue their business. Maybe they believe that people will never (due to income or fear) fly like they used to so what kind of business model are they looking at? For starters a much smaller presence.

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I think most of them are considered federal contractors over some minor work they do. They should just give that up. If they all give it up then the federal government has no one to do it.

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"And to my knowledge, there were no strings attached to the bailout funds."

There are ALWAYS strings attached.

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I'm speaking here specifically about mandates. Even in my most cynical world, I have a hard time believing that the feds told SW Air that in order to get payrol and loan funds, they would have to mandate their pilots get jabbed.

Was the Southwest C level delusional enough to think their pilots would go for this?

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it's called drunk with power

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Not sure that is the timeline of the conversation. It wouldn't be that specific in the terms of agreement. It would be something like follow federal policy etc etc. To have a document or email around with that kind of specific language wouldn't happen. Thats what DOJ lawyers are for

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Yup nothing is free

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TANSTAAFL!!!

"There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch"

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Funny part is....it's NOT the "government's" money, it's tax payer money and it's time the government gets a clue, they work for us. It really is a great awakening....we've allowed the government to get entirely out of control where they are only serving their own self-interest and they act like children not getting their way. As hard as this road is to go down, it needed to happen...We the People needed a wakeup call and we got it! Let's Go Brandon!!

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That's the rub. The quite a number of people in this country think it is the governments money.

I know people who think this way and refuse to discuss it.

Government can only take its money by force.

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Legalized Robbery !!

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Well the problem is that they don’t work for us. They’re supposed to but they don’t.

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Indeed, they work for us.

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too bad so many in gov. (R&D; elected or not) C it as their money.

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the mouse never asks why the free cheese

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But there's NOTHING yet to "go along with". It was a g/d press release.

And they took buckets of money because THE GOVERNMENT destroyed the economy. WTF should ANYONE in America be beholden to the government that destroyed their livelihood, and then tossed them an extortion lifeline that the government caused to be needed?!

Does corporate America not have a g/d spine or brain cell among them??

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Furthermore...WHERE did the money come from? From themselves! From taxpayers!! Government per se didn't give them one g/d penny, because government doesn't produce anything. It only taxes and confiscates. The money the government handed out came FROM the taxpayer, and will be repaid BY the taxpayer and the taxpayers' descendants, in the form of inflation and higher taxes for years to come.

We don't owe government ANYTHING for the sh*t they've done TO us, and neither does corporate America.

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Doesn't change the fact that the government has already done this (search for Obama and GM).

We have let the federal government become far too powerful, instead of the limited roll the Founders envisioned.

As Mr. Franklin said, "A republic, if you can keep it."

Well, I think it is over and it is time to "alter or abolish" the current form of government as it has become destructive to our unalienable Rights, among them being Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

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I don't disagree with your points. But I'm talking about corporate America's disgusting genuflecting to government and to anti-America Leftists and Democrats.

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Oh, you and I are on the same page. It is disgusting. I honestly do not understand how they can bend over like they do.

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Totally agree Andrew, but think back -- THIS is the way it is always done. They take taxpayer money and decide who they will give it to - -Israel?, MIC? Corporations supporting a govt policy (Ie ObamaCare)-- do taxpayers vote for that- no. This is NOT a new formula for them. It is just that it is so aggregious because it limits freedom that people are paying attention.

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That's all true, Carol. But one of the arguments is that the airlines are doing the vaxx mandates because they "owe" it to the government, because of the big bailouts they got from the government.

My argument is that they don't "owe" the government jack sh*t, if they "owe" anyone, they owe US, because WE are the ones who funded those bailouts with our and our descendants' tax dollars (present and future) and with inflation.

I think it *can* be viewed analogously to foreign aid. If we give Israel or Colombia or Sri Lanka federal aid, those countries damn well BETTER feel like they "owe" America - that is, Americans - for that aid. All too often, however, countries that receive foreign aid from us then turn around and sh*t on us.

Well, the airlines are doing the same thing. They take OUR and our children's and our grandchildren's tax dollars...and then they sh*t on us, by extension, by genuflecting to government with the vaxx mandates.

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They would not do something because they "owe" it. Corporations don't have character. They'd do it because they don't want to be left out of the next round as punishment.

so I agree with you it seems unlikely that would happen. During the NSA spying scandals AT&T got some extra privileges in HIPAA as payback for "taking one for the team" by illegally cooperating with the bulk spying, but I don't see an airline getting left out of a future bailout because their vax coercion wasn't enthusiastic enough.

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Totally agree but that is not how corps see it-- they see that Govt's can make more money for them by moving regs so they dont have to incur costs, Govt effects tax policy and employment policy. Taxpayers dont. That connection and pressure has been given over/lost? to special interests, K street and lobbyists. And now you have a pay to play govt, not a democratic one. They grease each others palms, put on a show every election cycle and we have let them (I'm Canadian and its the same here, just not as corporate and the money isn't as agregious).Why? because we are all busy trying to live and survive and have looked the other way while this happens--no judgement, the offloading of services the pressures of society all take precedent and govts have seen an opportunity to steal, corrupt and destroy the public connection. And when we said heh what the hell, they made sure they could control the outcome of elections-- the rot is complete.

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I am assuming (I know, bad to assume) your questions are rhetorical ...

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A perfect example of government taking money from the people to use against the people.

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ITS ALWAYS THAT WAY-- pick a President, pick an issue-- its nothing new-- just way more people are affected by the COVID BS

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Let's face it, many companies took buckets of money from the government over the years, especially in 2008-2011. Of all, airlines owe the government the least because the government and the economy need the airlines more than the airlines need the government in the end. If flights slow or stop, there will be too much pressure on politicians and they will have to given in on this. The US government could create their own airline, would you fly on it?

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Reminded me of the time some of my friends were touring Russia and flew on a Russian airline. At that time all the airlines were gov owned and operated. She said as they took off....her seat began to slide backwards on the rail it was attached too. Said it was one of the scariest airplane rides she ever experienced.

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This is exactly right. I toured China in 1980. We flew in Russian-built planes. The Chinese “flight attendants “ sat on, what looked like, milking stools the entire flight! Flights were terrifyingly dangerous.

Additionally, I spent a week behind the Iron Curtain in Germany in the mid-60’s. Crossing back through Checkpoint Charlie was a sight I cannot get out of my mind. The Soviets through all our luggage out on the road, opened it all up and scattered clothes everywhere. As a very naive 16 year old whose life was all about rock ‘n roll, I assumed I was a gonner. It was a helluva education I wish our youngins could experience today.

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About the same time frame...sometime in the early to mid 70's. I remember her also telling me that women guards were placed outside their hotel room door. And the lack of toilet paper. They told me the sights were incredibly beautiful but they would never go back LOL. Yes...the kids today need to spend a few months in Cuba or Venezuela. And not sponsored by the gov.....live and work with the working class. I have spent some time in Cairo Egypt. The poverty is gut wrenching. No jobs....heavily dependent on tourist. Never seen so many grown men sitting on their ass all day long.

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Interesting...while in Cairo I asked my host why there was so much poverty. His reply was stunning. He said "we lost our middle class".

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Let's face it, they already did it with GM with a lot less reason, search for Obama and GM.

Because the economy is so dependent on the airlines, they confiscate it under "for the good of the people". They first got money in the 2001, then in 2008-2011 bailouts, and finally they got more last year with the CARES Act (and the airlines were FIRST in getting the money).

If it is the only way to fly? I would be forced to use the government airline to do my job.

The libs endgame is communism - total control by the government of ALL industries.

They wouldn't need to "create" their own airline. Do you really think they wouldn't just take over the airlines?

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They did here in Canada-- Air Canada-- people actually now want to fly on it because it became privatized (another taxpayer funded toy for a politically connected CEO 🙄) before that not so much.

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FED dolled mula always has strings attached and Biden can declare an emergency and confiscate an airline that doesn't get in the Covid Line.

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But as yet he cannot command the pilots of said confiscated airline to fly. Would you want to be in an airplane piloted by a slave?

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Who could die suddenly from stoke or a heart attack?

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Yes, who could die very suddenly if he gets the shot.

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And defense contractors like Raytheon and Boeing

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Exactly same with MSM and the same here in Canada-- Air Canada and the CBC, all the print media-- got TONS of money

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They need to turn off CNN and MSBNC and NPR, etc. They are being pressured into it. They don't know they law. There is no law.

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There is in fact Biden Regime lawlessness. It must be resisted.

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Remember, the Obama regime would go after any company or industry that opposed them... Not to mention, these airlines need business from the federal government...

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Not totally true--depends on the Airline depends on who is connected politically, ie Delta has no vaxx mandates for employees. Depends on who got straight up subsidies. Its not homogeneous.

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True. There’s no “mandate” at this point

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Southwest has government contracts and falls under the vaccine mandate for all federal contractors. Not sure about American Airlines.

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They should give up that work for now. If all airlines give it up then there’s no one to do it. There must be some reason they are dividing it between airlines. So they would have to change those laws. And is it really better to have so many pilots leave than to give up some contracts? Either way, there is no mandate and the CEO has already said no one will be fired. (He did not say they would not be placed on unpaid leaves of absence.) He can give out generous medical and religious exemptions. He may just see God and do that.

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Asking a corporation to give up profit is like asking a king to give up land. They're too sure of their position to make the sensible choice even if it would avoid a bloody, expensive, useless war.

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True. I’ve got it—say the staff is all vaccine worshippers so they get a religious exemption! As they are spiritually jabbed. :)

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And there never should be.

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It was a deal with the devil!

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I am rather certain that 3% of Southwest’s employees voluntarily chose to be vaccinated leaving 97% free to choose. If Southwest’s business with the US government

Is 3% of its revenues, then they are fully in compliance. Since Texas government does not require a mandate Southwest can fully comply with that allowing 97% to choose.

Win-win.

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In my humble opinion THAT is something WE THE PEOPLE make it change. In our Capitalism, WE the consumer, not the government make or break those business.

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Unfortunately this money to then came from Trump, I think, but then likely leveraged against them by Bunker Biden. Now they must decide which relationship to stay in bed with, the Feds or their loyal employees.

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I’m also am amazed how quickly they bowed ? I’m ready to be inconvenienced also . This has to be done and the airlines can do it !! 🇺🇸🇨🇱

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You go home with who brought ya-- if you get a $25 Billion dollar subsidy you owe someone

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We the people paid for the subsidy.

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They have been bought (sorry got subsidies 🙄) off-- SWA $25 billion in cash and in loans. Nice right?

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I fully support the pilots and other staffers who are taking a stand. I feel for those passengers who have been "stranded" or inconvenienced, but we must all be inconvenienced for a short period of time in order to stop this gov't overreach NOW. Stay home for 2 weeks, we complied, wear a useless piece of paper across your face, we complied, get a vax that really isn't a vax regardless of natural immunity, DO NOT COMPLY! I complied briefly with the stay at home, but I have been doing my own protest. I will not go anywhere that requires a mask, and I will NEVER show vax papers. I don't have a problem with the vax, I just won't ever show the papers. We must all take a stand now, and stop this, or there will be something else after this. How many men and women sacrificed and took a stand for this country by going to war? Being gone for months, years, on end, or even forever? I for one, am okay with being inconvenienced for a few hours, or by not flying at all until this stops! Let's Go Brandon! Let's Roll!

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I usually visit a friend's winter home in Florida. This year? Maybe I'll drive--or not go at all for $5/gal gas.

YES! No more sheep-like compliance for masks, "social distancing," show-your-card.

I'm DONE with all this.

I, too, am willing to be inconvenienced if that's what it takes to end this madness.

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100%. I took it a step further and MOVED to Florida. I also have a beautiful beach condo for rent in St. Augustine. It's available ALL WINTER right now. Anyone interested in using it and escaping the crazed blue states, LMK!

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Do you have a link to your condo? Perfect time of year to get out of Dodge (Buffalo,NY)

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I would be interested depending on the rent I live in Commiefornia and considering a move Fla is a possibility please let me know the details thank you dory O’toole doryotoole@gmail.com

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Hey now! I want that condo, too! lol

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So do I -- I am Canadian dont we get first dibs in FLA? 🤣🤣

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Link is above, but it's priced for short term use, just FYI. Jan-Feb-Mar is our peak season. LOVE FLORIDA!

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No link presents my peak season is the same i live in Palm Springs pleas resend link

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My ancestors willingly sacrificed their lives as young adults for the promise of unalienable rights in the Declaration, then put them on paper with the Bill of Rights. Four score seven years later young adults sacrificed their lives hoping those rights would apply to all Americans, and one hundred years after that yet more Americans put their lives on the line to guarantee those rights for all Americans, and several were martyred. At 74 years of age, I would not sacrifice the rights of my children for a year or two extension of my life, even if I thought my life were under threat, which it is not if I take personal precautions like vitamin D supplements, zinc, quercetin and a stock of medications that are OTC in most tropical countries where malaria and river blindness common.

People must not allow themselves to be stampeded with fear.

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Tune in at 56 minutes in for a convincing report on how keeping high levels of vitamin D will keep you covid protected. No zinc etc. needed. My policy is D3 10000 units (get the one in the red plastic jar at Amazon for $10 for 400 D3 10000 units gel caps) daily plus K2 and magnesium to guard against calcification from too much D3. I take this amount even though I get more sun than most, daily. I mowed my large lawn today.. With shirt off of course for max D conversion via my skin. If your work/life situation is an indoors job you gotta take 10000 D3 daily. I have not had any Covid vaxxes/ _______________ The D3 video to look for is on BitChute. It is called "Flux Woo" from Oct 08, 2021 and will show up on your search via google and Bing ______________ I also see it on youtube as "CLIF HIGH : FLUX WOO" ....

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A revealed email (FOIA?) indicates Fauci takes 6,000 IUs/day, but I've heard that higher level like yours are not dangerous. It's important to take it consistently, as it takes your liver about 2 wks to metabolize the D3 to the useful form (calcefediol?).

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D3 also needs K2 and magnesium to do its complete physiological job. Check out info about that.

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My new line to women friends who are afraid of the vid: I understand, but remember fear is not a virtue.

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What?

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With age comes wisdom. Share the truth and it will set us free! 🙏🏻❤️

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Exactly! Fear is what controls the people. Watch V for Vendetta

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You are so right!

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This is beyond Politics now, WE THE PEOPLE ,must apply the Economic Pressure to make elected officials panic. It will be easy is some cases ; And long and difficult in other cases going up against hard-nosed Authoritarians ! It has to be done for the sake of Liberty for all People of the Planet !!!

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Unfortunately, there is a segment of the elites that actually WANT economic destruction for population reduction, but I think most do not and will be susceptible to the pressure you speak of. It will be a difficult struggle, so gird up your loins.

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I think you give the opposition too much credit. I think most of this is just ignorance, bad science, fear porn that attracts viewers and spreads hysteria, president with dementia, vp that's a nitwit, corporate virtue signaling and pandering to a stupid public, and incompetent, weak and fearful leaders at every level in every major institution. Maybe all CEOs and university presidents, judge and politicians should be required to do a semester of flight school!

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About giving the opposition too much credit - Bill Gates was speaking on a TED-X talk recorded on video, talking about his views on over-population and how that is allegedly impacting "global warming." I'm paraphrasing this part, but - he said that even with our best efforts, it would be difficult to prevent projected population increases in the next couple of decades, but - this part was very clear, whether these are his exact words, we can reduce a certain percentage of the expected increase in population with good reproductive health and "with some of the new vaccines." This is a very odd statement - I am sure by "good reproductive health, he meant contraceptives and abortion, since he and his wife have been funding and promoting these efforts globally, and it is contraception and abortion that would partially reduce the anticipated increase in population over some years into the future. "Reproductive health" is a euphemism for not reproducing. But then one would think that vaccines were developed to save lives and thus maintain the population, not to reduce it. Yet, he was saying quite casually that "some of the new vaccines" were going to help prevent further increases in the population and help keep populations lower, though still not low enough for him. I thought this was chilling, but it is consistent from some of the very recent vaccine research that indicates the genetic "vaccines" appear to cause an adverse impact on our innate immune system - the part of the immune system that is quietly working all the time even before we make antibodies, to keep threats under control. There is also data that shows that the vaccines are causing re-activation of viruses that we previously were finished with - reactivation of the Epstein-Barr virus that causes mono, reactivation of the chicken pox virus that causes shingles, and so on. In addition, reactivation of previously "cured" cancer that comes back with a vengeance quite quickly and unexpectedly. There is health data that shows these illnesses making a comeback in individuals after receiving the shots, but also data showing that important immune functions have been damaged or suppressed, consistent with the post-vaccine illnesses that are being seen. I don't have time to look up all the articles - but - I do think Gates was being truthful when he showed lower population projection "with some of these new vaccines" and he does now - he's been involved in vaccine research for decades. He knows the vaccines will reduce the population and he is too rich to care. He owns 7 mansions, and just one of them is 66,000 square feet, 11,000 square feet greater than the floor space in the White House's living area, and much more than 20 times the size of homes that most Americans live in. He's rich enough that there is nothing we can do that would make him care. And then - the President of the US has dementia, and there is no way that he is actually running the country - but whoever is running it behind the scenes will never care what the rest of us want or think or do. Some in high places do want money and are paid by the Chinese. But - it is true that the heads of corporations have no idea about the true dangers of the vaccine and how forcing the vaccines on employees will destroy their businesses one way or another. The people do have the power to say no, and there are actually more of us than more of them. Our actions can make a difference. But we should not underestimate the opposition, or the control they have over the media.

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What you point out is the real concern with these "vaccines". I dont know (does anyone) if they will feed this eugenics population issue but I DO know they will cause large increases in chronic health issues, primarily cancer, cognitive nerve and respiratory issues. Pharma likes nothing more than a good lifetime rent from the person it is poisoning.

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So nice to read people who are broadly informed and thinking! (Especially on the heels of dealing with dental folks living in delusional psychosis this morning!) Yes, Gates actually said the world population needed to be reduced by 15-20%. I just said to my husband last night, "Why does Bill Gates use the example of vaccines in his list of ways to 'reduce the population'? Shouldn't that be setting off alarm bells for anyone who is thinking?" In an interview with Stew Peters, Dr. Zelenko said he believes the gene therapy shot is designed for mass genocide. It's the strongest thing I've heard anyone say, and McCullough has said both the virus and jab are bioweapons. Not only do the C-suite people not have a clue about what the jab does, most in the medical establishment don't either. That's obvious from reading comments people post here - like one today who said her pulmonologist is pushing the jab because it's "safe"!! Either they are nefariously lying or they are completely ignorant. Those are the only two options.

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1) The state medical boards tell us we must get all our patients on board with vaccine, though all we receive as physicians is propaganda, and not data - it is hard for medical professionals to get accurate and complete information, and a lot of the research that should have done was never done. But our boards send us propaganda and there is the mistaken belief that everything is as usual. This is a "vaccine" like none other.

2) Many physicians in large health systems are being told that part of their pay will be held back if they do not get a certain percentage of people signed up for the vaccine, so the employer (the health system) is wrongly pressuring the physicians to promote the vaccines - if you assume something is safe because the CDC and FDA say so, and a substantial portion of your income is at risk if you don't promote the vaccine - wouldn't you?

3) Health professionals are threatened with loss of license and thus loss of livelihood, loss of being able to make house payments and support one's children - if we give "false information." Saying that the vaccines are safe, wonderful, no side effects, and necessary = true facts and saying we should evaluate risk vs. benefit, what ARE the side effects etc. = false information, loss of license. I read about a doctor in, I think, Arkansas, who treated 150 prisoners with Ivermectin and they all lived, no one died, but he was being investigated by his medical board. Apparently he cured them with the wrong med - if he had just let them die there would have been no investigation. Sort of like Jesus healing on the Sabbath, healing on the wrong day - wrong med this time. You see these things, and naturally one wants to maintain a low profile and not rock the boat too much especially in any visible way. I also read of a doc in a midwestern state who DID lose his license at least temporarily, due to someone reporting him to the medical board as being "anti-vax." He said he is not anti-vax and whatever he said was misinterpreted but he did lose his license, which would have caused loss of income during at least some period of time - and there was to be a hearing, but I do not know what has happened since then, whether he was re-instated. We can only say what THEY say and think what THEY tell us to think. And let me tell you, it is very hard work for any MD find out the information that we actually need in order to make good recommendations. I thought from the beginning there was something to be concerned about with the vaccines, but I could not find the clear evidence I needed to speak against the vaccine. Now, yes, I heard McCullough say it is a bioweapon, and I have also heard former Pfizer researchers give further information - yes, I am sure of it, but I still am careful about what I would say publicly. Here, you see I have not used my full name. If my patients have taken the vaccine I don't say, "oh, so sorry you have just taken a bioweapon," and actually it does not have all the harmful effects in every person, though it's early days still, and we have not yet seen all that we will see. And later - with the innate immune system being suppressed, if a cancer makes an aggressive comeback unexpectedly, the death will be attributed to the cancer and not the vaccine, for example. If a year later they die of heart failure or respiratory failure from micro-clots from the vaccine - no, that will be death due to heart or lungs, but not a vaccine effect. So, the harmful effects may be difficult to sort out particularly since no one in the three-letter agencies wants the truth to be discovered, autopsies are not being done on those who have been vaxxed even if they die the same die or the day after getting the shot - no one is curious to discover the truth - and - there is just so much money to be made on the vaccines. I think there is more I meant to say - but - it is hard for MD's to even know the truth. AND even the medical newsletters promote the approved narrative and mock or criticize those who believe in treatment and not so much in vaccines - so you know that all the smart people are on board with the vaccines. But it has been very difficult to find information that would allow one to say - despite the pressures - yes, this is harmful. What I have told people is this - the vaccines are not effective against the delta variant. In Israel, there is a surge going on, and about 85% of people who are getting Covid are already fully vaxxed - and no, they do not all have "mild" disease - many are in hospitals and many have died. Since the vaccines do not work anyway - why take the booster? I will treat you if you get sick. If you take another shot, you are accepting all the risk but you get no benefit. Why would you do this? But with many people, even some in my own family, they are so brainwashed, you can't even have a conversation. Btw, we are seeing Israel's situation in other places including in the US. Oh - the thing I meant to say also is that everyone in the original control group already has been vaxxed, thus it will be impossible to get a clear picture of some of the late emerging side effects that are already being seen - some of these effects are being seen by now, but it's tip of the iceberg to what it will be, and tip of the iceberg to what will ever be attributed to the vaccine - no matter how many deaths, it will be worse than we know.

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