Franklin has been falsely portrayed as both Jewish and antisemitic (although his writings did influence Jewish thought), and your poisonous, pusillanimously perpetuated charge is the most outlandish.
Franklin has been falsely portrayed as both Jewish and antisemitic (although his writings did influence Jewish thought), and your poisonous, pusillanimously perpetuated charge is the most outlandish.
Boys will be boys. He was an occasional participant at the club it seems, but all the rest is conjecture. Undoubtably he was an adulterer and perhaps whoremonger. Sexual appetite seems to be the hallmark of great leaders and accomplished individuals. Franklin popularized the rocking chair, and had numerous other inventions of his own, including bifocals, lightning rods, a catheter, the Franklin stove, a library chair that converted to a stepladder, etc., and never patented them, but shared them freely. He set up the US postal system and started America's first lending library. Thomas Jefferson invented the swivel chair.
Yes, I had read that before my last comment. So what? Those rituals at the Hellfire Club were sarcastic, meant to be blasphemous in the prevailing authoritarianism of the church. Freedom of religion (and from religion) is one of the foundations of America. Franklin said he believed in Christian morals but not in the supernatural of Jesus Christ. There is nothing wrong with that, and many others have similar beliefs. Einstein believed in Spinoza's God.
That article you link to quoting Paul's warning against accepting Jesus's morals but not his divinity is an example of begging the question--a type of circular reasoning in which the conclusion being argued is used as the argument.
Normally, even though I'm not religious, I believe those who are religious are generally good, and good for society, if they believe in the basic tenants of Judeo/Christian morality, which boils down to the golden rule. All too often, however, they claim to be religious, but are not good people. And there are those like you who are judgmental and condescending to anyone who doesn't believe as they do, and passive aggressively say they will pray for you.
In this you are correct. Religion is useless man rites chanting to any object or entity.
You mischaracterized the Second Greatest Commandment. Praying for another is meaningless to you.
My Lord and Savior says this:
Matthew 22
36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?”
37 Jesus said to him, (A) “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: (B) ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 (C) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”
Matthew 22:37 : Deut. 6:5; 10:12; 30:6
>> Matthew 22:39 : Lev. 19:18; Matt. 19:19; Mark 12:31; Luke 10:27; [Rom. 13:9; Gal. 5:14; James 2:8] <<
Matthew 22:40 : [Matt. 7:12; Rom. 13:10; 1 Tim. 1:5]
When another will not hear the call Jesus directions are clear without ambiguity what to say:
1 Corinthians 1
Christ Crucified Is God’s Power and Wisdom
18 For the message of the cross is foolishness (A) to those who are perishing, (B) but to us who are being saved (C) it is the power of God. (D)
1 Corinthians 1:18 : ver 21, 23, 25; 1Co 2:14
1 Corinthians 1:18 : 2Co 2:15; 4:3; 2Th 2:10
1 Corinthians 1:18 : Ac 2:47
1 Corinthians 1:18 : ver 24; Ro 1:16
1 Corinthians 1:18
GOD saves individuals. When people refuse to listen or say 'no' to you, your responsibility toward them is done.
Well, because I'm not religious, I used the general term that refers to what are you call the Second Greatest Commandment, which summarizes both the New Old Testament writings and the Old Testament Love thy Neighbor. If I mischaracterized it because I ignored your First Greatest Commandment it is because I do not believe in that, which is certainly part of your "religion", whether you want to call it a religion or not, and calling it a religion, I think, is being kind. So you can certainly dust your sandals. And I think that would include not responding to me again.
Franklin has been falsely portrayed as both Jewish and antisemitic (although his writings did influence Jewish thought), and your poisonous, pusillanimously perpetuated charge is the most outlandish.
Sorry Clark
Look up Franklin and the Hellfire Club.
Satanic with murderous perversion.
Boys will be boys. He was an occasional participant at the club it seems, but all the rest is conjecture. Undoubtably he was an adulterer and perhaps whoremonger. Sexual appetite seems to be the hallmark of great leaders and accomplished individuals. Franklin popularized the rocking chair, and had numerous other inventions of his own, including bifocals, lightning rods, a catheter, the Franklin stove, a library chair that converted to a stepladder, etc., and never patented them, but shared them freely. He set up the US postal system and started America's first lending library. Thomas Jefferson invented the swivel chair.
Boys will be boys?
And demoniacs will be demoniacs will worship their father.
Even evil people are capable of doing notable acts. By no stretch of the imagination does this deceptive conduct excuse who they worship.
https://www.worldviewweekend.com/news/article/ben-franklin-hellfire-club-and-his-view-jesus-christ
http://franklinswildside.weebly.com/hellfire-club.html
Yes, I had read that before my last comment. So what? Those rituals at the Hellfire Club were sarcastic, meant to be blasphemous in the prevailing authoritarianism of the church. Freedom of religion (and from religion) is one of the foundations of America. Franklin said he believed in Christian morals but not in the supernatural of Jesus Christ. There is nothing wrong with that, and many others have similar beliefs. Einstein believed in Spinoza's God.
That article you link to quoting Paul's warning against accepting Jesus's morals but not his divinity is an example of begging the question--a type of circular reasoning in which the conclusion being argued is used as the argument.
I will pray for you
Normally, even though I'm not religious, I believe those who are religious are generally good, and good for society, if they believe in the basic tenants of Judeo/Christian morality, which boils down to the golden rule. All too often, however, they claim to be religious, but are not good people. And there are those like you who are judgmental and condescending to anyone who doesn't believe as they do, and passive aggressively say they will pray for you.
You assume …
In this you are correct. Religion is useless man rites chanting to any object or entity.
You mischaracterized the Second Greatest Commandment. Praying for another is meaningless to you.
My Lord and Savior says this:
Matthew 22
36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?”
37 Jesus said to him, (A) “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: (B) ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 (C) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”
Matthew 22:37 : Deut. 6:5; 10:12; 30:6
>> Matthew 22:39 : Lev. 19:18; Matt. 19:19; Mark 12:31; Luke 10:27; [Rom. 13:9; Gal. 5:14; James 2:8] <<
Matthew 22:40 : [Matt. 7:12; Rom. 13:10; 1 Tim. 1:5]
When another will not hear the call Jesus directions are clear without ambiguity what to say:
1 Corinthians 1
Christ Crucified Is God’s Power and Wisdom
18 For the message of the cross is foolishness (A) to those who are perishing, (B) but to us who are being saved (C) it is the power of God. (D)
1 Corinthians 1:18 : ver 21, 23, 25; 1Co 2:14
1 Corinthians 1:18 : 2Co 2:15; 4:3; 2Th 2:10
1 Corinthians 1:18 : Ac 2:47
1 Corinthians 1:18 : ver 24; Ro 1:16
1 Corinthians 1:18
GOD saves individuals. When people refuse to listen or say 'no' to you, your responsibility toward them is done.
I will pray for you.
I dust my sandals.
Well, because I'm not religious, I used the general term that refers to what are you call the Second Greatest Commandment, which summarizes both the New Old Testament writings and the Old Testament Love thy Neighbor. If I mischaracterized it because I ignored your First Greatest Commandment it is because I do not believe in that, which is certainly part of your "religion", whether you want to call it a religion or not, and calling it a religion, I think, is being kind. So you can certainly dust your sandals. And I think that would include not responding to me again.