The science discussion is completely irrelevant in this case.
OSHA doesn't have the authority. Period. End of discussion.
It aggravates me that effectivity is even part of the arguments. Or have we completely ceded control to the bureaucrats with an occasional review by the courts to give a fig-leaf of respectability?
Even if the vax was 100% effective, the core argument is whether the Federal Government can force an individual or business to comply with any order dictated by the Executive with such a broad scope of authority.
One thing I've learned over the years, is that you cannot engage irrational (fearful) people in a rational discussion. What we see as an open-minded, rational debate is not possible when one party is irrational. Therefore, expect anything - other than a rational outcome.
The CMS mandate absolutely must fall along with the OSHA mandate. The sheer ignorance or willful lying on part of Sotomayor, Kagan, and Breyer was astonishing.
The way these people are speaking, it's clear none of them have a fucking clue what's actually happening in the real world. They're talking like getting vaccinated means you WILL NOT spread the virus. What the fuck.
- the Solicitor General of the US say vaccines prevent transmission and sickness.
- SC Justice Sotomayor say that 100,000 kids are sick and in grave danger, on ventilators, right now.
- SC Justice Breyer say that every day we don't have a vaccine mandate, 750,000 more people will get Covid, because of THAT
The level of misinformation, lack of prep, whatever you call it...at the nation's highest levels - is appalling. I always had tremendous respect for USSC justices, but today that went down several levels.
The oral arguments were very discouraging to listen too. I just wish someone had the guts to say out loud in court that the vaccines don't work the way they were promised, they aren't going to stop the virus and that these rules completely ignore the concept of natural immunity. Sotomayor may have been off base, Kagan clearly showed that she believes in more power to the federal government but IMO it was Breyer who showed himself as too scared of his own mortality to be objective.
Sotomayor working remotely shows that she knows the vaccines don't work. Yet, she is still going to vote to force it on the public.... The cognitive dissonance here is mind boggling.
What I learned today is that the liberal wing of the Supreme Court has spent the past two years watching CNN and MSNBC. Wow.
What everyone seems to agree on is that Sotomayor is completely off her rocker. 100K kids in the hospital many on vents? Where???
Leading to the first time we've had to as the question, will the SCOTUS publicly correct their own misinformation?
Maybe but one Supreme Court Justice, a wise latina with a law degree from MSNBC University may have raised some points during this oral arguments:
- Claimed covid deaths are at an all time high
- Claimed that Omicron has been deadlier than Delta
- Claimed 100K children are hospitalized with covid
- Said OSHA's regulatory authority is a federal "police power."
Is she that stupid or just pretending
The science discussion is completely irrelevant in this case.
OSHA doesn't have the authority. Period. End of discussion.
It aggravates me that effectivity is even part of the arguments. Or have we completely ceded control to the bureaucrats with an occasional review by the courts to give a fig-leaf of respectability?
Covid is the gift that keeps on giving. It pulls back the curtain showing the world how unimpressive the Elites of our society are.
Even if the vax was 100% effective, the core argument is whether the Federal Government can force an individual or business to comply with any order dictated by the Executive with such a broad scope of authority.
One thing I've learned over the years, is that you cannot engage irrational (fearful) people in a rational discussion. What we see as an open-minded, rational debate is not possible when one party is irrational. Therefore, expect anything - other than a rational outcome.
It is sad that bodily autonomy and the Bill of Rights are not being discussed as the central issue.
The CMS mandate absolutely must fall along with the OSHA mandate. The sheer ignorance or willful lying on part of Sotomayor, Kagan, and Breyer was astonishing.
Why are they concerned with medical treatment issues. This is about personal autonomy and Federal overreach.
One thing is obvious. Please rescind the term "Wise Latina" from Sotomayor. She is ignorant.
The way these people are speaking, it's clear none of them have a fucking clue what's actually happening in the real world. They're talking like getting vaccinated means you WILL NOT spread the virus. What the fuck.
Today I heard at Supreme Court:
- the Solicitor General of the US say vaccines prevent transmission and sickness.
- SC Justice Sotomayor say that 100,000 kids are sick and in grave danger, on ventilators, right now.
- SC Justice Breyer say that every day we don't have a vaccine mandate, 750,000 more people will get Covid, because of THAT
The level of misinformation, lack of prep, whatever you call it...at the nation's highest levels - is appalling. I always had tremendous respect for USSC justices, but today that went down several levels.
It is so sad that the (lack of) efficacy of the vaccines is not central to their argument.
The oral arguments were very discouraging to listen too. I just wish someone had the guts to say out loud in court that the vaccines don't work the way they were promised, they aren't going to stop the virus and that these rules completely ignore the concept of natural immunity. Sotomayor may have been off base, Kagan clearly showed that she believes in more power to the federal government but IMO it was Breyer who showed himself as too scared of his own mortality to be objective.
Sotomayor working remotely shows that she knows the vaccines don't work. Yet, she is still going to vote to force it on the public.... The cognitive dissonance here is mind boggling.