I'm not milking anything, I have been clear about my views about the progressive effort to make Mangione a hero. I still don't think the media should sit on this; there are no "sources or methods," to use the intelligence term, and Mangione, what he did, and his views are of great interest to many, many Americans. Pretending his words and views can't be repeated helps no one. If anything the "manifesto" shows how shallow a thinker he was.
Alex I am glad you posted it. The MSM is negligent in its lack of reporting on so many issues. I think it's pretty clear based on his note why he did what he did. I don't support what he did, of course not. I think what he did is a refection of what is happening to average Americans as a result of corporations manipulating the system for pathological greed. He is right about the life expectancy and declining health of American citizens. I can only hope something good may come from this terrible tragedy. We do need some kind of reform.
Had a hunch that surgery was a factor in his motivation. Don't need to know the details, have back issues of my own since grade school with doctors telling me I NEEDED surgery or I'd be crippled for life.
I just had back surgery in September. I had pain for over two years but I was able to manage it by simply keeping moving. Then something changed. I tried everything first. Physical therapy, prednisone course, massage, accupuncture nothing worked. Turned out the new pain and inability to walk was hamstring tendinitis. I did this to myself. I always swore I would never have back surgery but it was outpatient, terrible first week but now I am pain free I am so glad I did it. All you hear are horror stories you do not hear about the successes.l Healthcare is complex and frankly obamacare made all insurance shitty. Now companies only have to meet a certain threshhold so they don't go beyond. OBAMACARE ALSO REQUIRED ALL INSURANCE COMPANIES TO PROVIDE THE SAME THING, SO I AT 69 HAD PEDIATRIC CARE I HAD TO PAY FOR, AND MENTAL HEALTH CARE WHICH I DID NOT NEED (THIS GUY DID). THIS DRIVES UP THE PRICE. YOU CAN NO LONGER PICK A PLAN BY WHAT IT COVERS. THIS IS ALL THE RESULT OF THE DEMOCRATS AND THEIR ENDLESS CONTROL CRAP.L
Exactly! Obamacare made health insurance more costly for everybody under the guise of providing "affordable care". It was merely a step on the way to universal healthcare.
I agree with a "shallow thinker" statement. Is United Healthcare CEO personally or his company responsible that 40% of Americans are obese??? Covid showed that obesity was the largest risk factor and eventual cause of diabetes, heart disease, kidney failure, etc. It is the reason the healthcare is so expensive in the first place and the life expectancy is low, particularly among minorities. We need the national conversation about the diet (reducing sugar) and exercise, which was stiffled during COVID years. Instead we get fat people on the cover of the magazines.
What do you even mean? I want to read it. Everybody wants to try to figure out why a person would do such a thing and the manifesto at least gives us a glimpse into his depraved mindset.
It's only milking if it's Alex has to prop up the fear in us to keep us reading the next. If the whole story is rolled out, the readers get it, and it is memorialized and filed...that's how journalism works. Frankly, Alex's subscription model doesn't work in a "milking" strategy. I'm not re-upping next year if this is the only topic he writes on.
Was this guy actually dumb enough to do this based on the "life expectancy" stat? Left-wing propaganda just destroyed two lives (his and Thompson's) if that's the case.
Life expectancy is the product of many factors, and it is consistently true that the US health care system is a more positive factor than the systems of other countries. But culture and ethnicity are bigger factors, and those have to be considered.
As of a few years ago, Norway had the highest national life expectancy in Europe, but Norwegian Americans had a higher life expectancy than Norway does. Japan had the highest life expectancy in the world, but Japanese Americans had a life expectancy about two full years higher than Japan's. And Japan is 99% ethnic Japanese, so there's no confusion.
Every ethnicity lives longer in America than it does anywhere else, but America has significant representation of short-lived ethnicities, so its "national average" trails that of the native countries of long-lived ethnicities. The political Left of course insists that acknowledging ethnic differences in life expectancy is "racist", and therefore we must let America appear "bad" because it has far more black people in it than European or Asian nations do (and Hispanics as well).
The more apples-to-apples you get, the better the outcomes of the US healthcare system look. That makes sense, because for all the complaints about "denied claims" in America, Americans get far more treatment than people in "socialized" countries do. In those countries, the political system "denies" treatments for EVERYONE over costs, and the options are generally less than Americans with private insurance get. But since treatments aren't available to ANYONE in these countries, hospitals aren't equipped to provide them and doctors don't mention them as options, so people don't know to get mad over being "denied".
None of this is to say that the US system isn't full of regulatory absurdity and incentives that drive up prices and encourage both corruption and "over-medication". There is a lot to fix in America. But it's also the best system in the world for a variety of conditions, including cancer treatment, premature birth, and a host of others.
But you have to be honest about it, or you convince a bunch of stupid people to hate. And sometimes shoot.
Seriously? Put on your tin foil hat. Everything is not a conspiracy. People simply will not accept that in America it is usually just one nutjob doing the deed. Unless the FBI is involved and then there is one nutjob and 5 FBI agents. The enormity of the crime overcomes common sense and fuels these conspiracies. He did it by himself. He had plenty of money to track this poor guy, fly all over the place and since so many assholes today are still wearing masks he could get away with wearing one.
First off your response is too wordy; so C+. Now for content, you fixated upon just a tiny portion of what is wrong with US Healthcare as did Mangione but it wasn't a manifesto. It was a note indicating he alone takes responsibility for his actions. The mere fact that many of us will go broke even if you have insurance because of deny, delay, and refuse to pay, as part of the strategy of the US Healthcare insurance business model increases the likelihood that one of the worker bees in the hive will go nuts. So instead of killing oneself after financial ruin (as thousands already have) through suicide they went after what they perceived as the cause.Therefore lets censor so nobody else gets such ideas. I think someone should put Mangione's name on J Biden pardon list.
Im going to get religious at this point. Evil Begets evil. Im not going to cry over someone who knowingly will destroy people anymore than I will cry over a drug dealer.
Well you can't seem to connect the dots dear friend. Is your healthcare paid for by the school system or are you still under daddy's umbrella? How about a govt run healthcare plan like the ones cops have or better yet the Legislatures? Unless you are paying for your own insurance you have no room to talk. 1000s of people are committing suicide. Why? Well why not, its all fashion after you lost everything. And why did that happen? Because they are happy? Or perhaps drugged up with a feel good drug to cloud any sense of normalcy. Or finding themselves on the street might be a good place to start. Hey, you reap what you sow.
I’m 61 years old with a family of three kids and we’ve never encountered issues with our health insurance. The system isn’t perfect but it’s damn better than government run healthcare.
I am a retired physician and you are absolutely right about ethnicity confounding life expectancy statistics. Lifestyle is an important issue, but lifestyle often tracks with ethnicity. Genetic differences between people largely determine their health risks and outcomes. It's odd you made such a good point but the comments veered into the morality of killing health care executives.
Any social media post with sufficient engagement will see a few comments that are simply incoherent, as well as a few people trying to leverage its prominence to sell their own agendas. And yes, lifestyle is a big factor, but it's also impossible to generate statistics on, except that it fortunately tracks closely with ethnicity.
It takes over a year to get an MRI in Canada - unless you're a privileged hockey player or something. British people have awful looking teeth. Japanese people eat fish for every meal, resulting in very low cholesterol levels, so of course they have a longer life expectancy. Maybe we should improve our diet!!! But of course our system is the most expensive - we have the most money!! Do you think everyone in foreign countries gets a colonoscopy when they reach age 50? Do you think parents in foreign countries foot the bill to get braces on all their kid's teeth? Healthcare is about the single most regulated industry in the US. Maybe it's time for the Feds to get the hell out of the way!!
Psyop to cover up a bigger crime. IMO. None of it makes any sense. He is way too young to be so jaded, and it drives him to murder. Ain't buying any of it.
I'm hearing more now about his mother's long term struggles with uncontrolled pain, and the nightmare of trying to get her help. He was tortured in numerous ways it sounds like.
not to mention which he was valedictorian in his classes, a bright young man, yet he's caught a week later with the murder weapon, and other evidence? i can't believe he'd be that stupid~
"I <insert name> did this crime and killed the <insert name of company> CEO with no help of the feds. None whatsoever. Don't even bother going through my phone to see if they were in contact with me since it's so locked down!"
Astonishingly undereducated, smart- stupid, ignorant, semi literate, self possessed, narcissist. Cult indoctrinated to the point of having no humanity, self awareness or respect for human life, including his own. What a disgusting human being. Incarceration will not be kind to him. Praying there are not more of these creatures out there.
I’m curious why he wasn’t staking out Obama’s compound in Martha’s, (or was the Prez hanging in his DC manse or hell, they could’ve been neighbors in Hawaii) cos we all know the ACA was a gigantic payout to these big “greedy” companies.
This kid who I thought was a Professional hit man is a moron. Since Obamacare right every doctor who works today can't take a shit without a team of lawyers who run the hospital the clinic the doctor's office. Why is no one talking about the lawyers? And the costs of energy to run a place you're talking about half a million a month to run a hospital setting. The kid is a dumb ass and he deserves life in prison.
Mangione’s disallusionment with a system that cares little for the well-being of the average American, the astronomical greed and billions of dollars made off the backs of US citizens by corporate senior management of these huge conglomerates caused him to put thoughts and feelings into action.
Right or wrong, how many of us in these past several years have been overwhelmed and angered, with some very dark thoughts about what we’d like to do to certain monster types like Gates, Fauci, Klaus Schwab if we could get away with it? Both Americans and Canadians have struggled under two of the worst leaders in the history of either country. Mental illness is skyrocketing as are suicides and murders. Of course it is wrong to kill - I believe Mangione knows this too. It’s easy to sit back and pass judgement on this well educated affluent young man. Remember, we don’t walk in his shoes.
There is absolutely no excuse for murder. I don't care what happened to him or his mother you don't go out a kill someone. Brian Thompson was an innocent man, a father, a husband, living his life. He did not have the privilege of this scumbag nut job. THERE IS NO JUSTIFICATION FOR LYING IN WAIT AND PREMEDITATED MURDER. NONE.
There is an annoying glitch on Substack when using IPhone to “like” and comment. I am immediately directed to “sign in” even though I am a paid subscriber. I went through it for ya Kathleen😊
There is irony in all this. United Healthcare biggest beneficiary of Obamacare, progressives self proclaimed democratic resort to violence to supposedly change status quo. There are issues with brain wirings with too many people
Alex, you're going to milk this s*** now too?
I'm not milking anything, I have been clear about my views about the progressive effort to make Mangione a hero. I still don't think the media should sit on this; there are no "sources or methods," to use the intelligence term, and Mangione, what he did, and his views are of great interest to many, many Americans. Pretending his words and views can't be repeated helps no one. If anything the "manifesto" shows how shallow a thinker he was.
Alex I am glad you posted it. The MSM is negligent in its lack of reporting on so many issues. I think it's pretty clear based on his note why he did what he did. I don't support what he did, of course not. I think what he did is a refection of what is happening to average Americans as a result of corporations manipulating the system for pathological greed. He is right about the life expectancy and declining health of American citizens. I can only hope something good may come from this terrible tragedy. We do need some kind of reform.
Completely agree with you! Thanks for posting.
Two books and it's enough to drive someone to murder?
The whole failed back surgery, and meds given thereafter have something to say in all of THIS
The fact that he's an engineer is salient as well.
Had a hunch that surgery was a factor in his motivation. Don't need to know the details, have back issues of my own since grade school with doctors telling me I NEEDED surgery or I'd be crippled for life.
I just had back surgery in September. I had pain for over two years but I was able to manage it by simply keeping moving. Then something changed. I tried everything first. Physical therapy, prednisone course, massage, accupuncture nothing worked. Turned out the new pain and inability to walk was hamstring tendinitis. I did this to myself. I always swore I would never have back surgery but it was outpatient, terrible first week but now I am pain free I am so glad I did it. All you hear are horror stories you do not hear about the successes.l Healthcare is complex and frankly obamacare made all insurance shitty. Now companies only have to meet a certain threshhold so they don't go beyond. OBAMACARE ALSO REQUIRED ALL INSURANCE COMPANIES TO PROVIDE THE SAME THING, SO I AT 69 HAD PEDIATRIC CARE I HAD TO PAY FOR, AND MENTAL HEALTH CARE WHICH I DID NOT NEED (THIS GUY DID). THIS DRIVES UP THE PRICE. YOU CAN NO LONGER PICK A PLAN BY WHAT IT COVERS. THIS IS ALL THE RESULT OF THE DEMOCRATS AND THEIR ENDLESS CONTROL CRAP.L
Exactly! Obamacare made health insurance more costly for everybody under the guise of providing "affordable care". It was merely a step on the way to universal healthcare.
I had back surgery & it was the best thing ever. I recovered fully & it has allowed me to be active again.
And likely observed experience
As I read it I thought “Wow, what an arrogant asshole.” Hopefully, his stupid screed will reap tons of ridicule.
I agree with a "shallow thinker" statement. Is United Healthcare CEO personally or his company responsible that 40% of Americans are obese??? Covid showed that obesity was the largest risk factor and eventual cause of diabetes, heart disease, kidney failure, etc. It is the reason the healthcare is so expensive in the first place and the life expectancy is low, particularly among minorities. We need the national conversation about the diet (reducing sugar) and exercise, which was stiffled during COVID years. Instead we get fat people on the cover of the magazines.
Brava, Natalie. Exactly!!!
like - as my "like" button doesn't work.
Since when is reporting on a matter of intense public interested considered "milking"?
What do you even mean? I want to read it. Everybody wants to try to figure out why a person would do such a thing and the manifesto at least gives us a glimpse into his depraved mindset.
It's only milking if it's Alex has to prop up the fear in us to keep us reading the next. If the whole story is rolled out, the readers get it, and it is memorialized and filed...that's how journalism works. Frankly, Alex's subscription model doesn't work in a "milking" strategy. I'm not re-upping next year if this is the only topic he writes on.
Doubtful that will be the case. Like all news this will be forgotten in a few weeks.
Was this guy actually dumb enough to do this based on the "life expectancy" stat? Left-wing propaganda just destroyed two lives (his and Thompson's) if that's the case.
Life expectancy is the product of many factors, and it is consistently true that the US health care system is a more positive factor than the systems of other countries. But culture and ethnicity are bigger factors, and those have to be considered.
As of a few years ago, Norway had the highest national life expectancy in Europe, but Norwegian Americans had a higher life expectancy than Norway does. Japan had the highest life expectancy in the world, but Japanese Americans had a life expectancy about two full years higher than Japan's. And Japan is 99% ethnic Japanese, so there's no confusion.
Every ethnicity lives longer in America than it does anywhere else, but America has significant representation of short-lived ethnicities, so its "national average" trails that of the native countries of long-lived ethnicities. The political Left of course insists that acknowledging ethnic differences in life expectancy is "racist", and therefore we must let America appear "bad" because it has far more black people in it than European or Asian nations do (and Hispanics as well).
The more apples-to-apples you get, the better the outcomes of the US healthcare system look. That makes sense, because for all the complaints about "denied claims" in America, Americans get far more treatment than people in "socialized" countries do. In those countries, the political system "denies" treatments for EVERYONE over costs, and the options are generally less than Americans with private insurance get. But since treatments aren't available to ANYONE in these countries, hospitals aren't equipped to provide them and doctors don't mention them as options, so people don't know to get mad over being "denied".
None of this is to say that the US system isn't full of regulatory absurdity and incentives that drive up prices and encourage both corruption and "over-medication". There is a lot to fix in America. But it's also the best system in the world for a variety of conditions, including cancer treatment, premature birth, and a host of others.
But you have to be honest about it, or you convince a bunch of stupid people to hate. And sometimes shoot.
I don’t believe he did it. He could have been set up. This is all too contrived. The victim knew too much about something and they took him out.
I think you are on the wrong side of history on this.
Hard to say at this point
Seriously? Put on your tin foil hat. Everything is not a conspiracy. People simply will not accept that in America it is usually just one nutjob doing the deed. Unless the FBI is involved and then there is one nutjob and 5 FBI agents. The enormity of the crime overcomes common sense and fuels these conspiracies. He did it by himself. He had plenty of money to track this poor guy, fly all over the place and since so many assholes today are still wearing masks he could get away with wearing one.
Prolly shoulda gone after the food industry making us (well, not BikerChick) all fat.
Our system isn't perfect but it won't get better by shooting health insurance CEOs. Luigi may be an engineer but he's not thinking straight.
First off your response is too wordy; so C+. Now for content, you fixated upon just a tiny portion of what is wrong with US Healthcare as did Mangione but it wasn't a manifesto. It was a note indicating he alone takes responsibility for his actions. The mere fact that many of us will go broke even if you have insurance because of deny, delay, and refuse to pay, as part of the strategy of the US Healthcare insurance business model increases the likelihood that one of the worker bees in the hive will go nuts. So instead of killing oneself after financial ruin (as thousands already have) through suicide they went after what they perceived as the cause.Therefore lets censor so nobody else gets such ideas. I think someone should put Mangione's name on J Biden pardon list.
@Eugene- unless Mangione walked in on Thompson diddling a little kid, he didn't deserve to be murdered. He doesn't deserve a pardon of any kind.
Im going to get religious at this point. Evil Begets evil. Im not going to cry over someone who knowingly will destroy people anymore than I will cry over a drug dealer.
You should cry over people getting murdered for what one perceived as a moral issue. Slippery slope there dude.
Well you can't seem to connect the dots dear friend. Is your healthcare paid for by the school system or are you still under daddy's umbrella? How about a govt run healthcare plan like the ones cops have or better yet the Legislatures? Unless you are paying for your own insurance you have no room to talk. 1000s of people are committing suicide. Why? Well why not, its all fashion after you lost everything. And why did that happen? Because they are happy? Or perhaps drugged up with a feel good drug to cloud any sense of normalcy. Or finding themselves on the street might be a good place to start. Hey, you reap what you sow.
I’m 61 years old with a family of three kids and we’ve never encountered issues with our health insurance. The system isn’t perfect but it’s damn better than government run healthcare.
Well aren't you the lucky one.
I am a retired physician and you are absolutely right about ethnicity confounding life expectancy statistics. Lifestyle is an important issue, but lifestyle often tracks with ethnicity. Genetic differences between people largely determine their health risks and outcomes. It's odd you made such a good point but the comments veered into the morality of killing health care executives.
Any social media post with sufficient engagement will see a few comments that are simply incoherent, as well as a few people trying to leverage its prominence to sell their own agendas. And yes, lifestyle is a big factor, but it's also impossible to generate statistics on, except that it fortunately tracks closely with ethnicity.
It takes over a year to get an MRI in Canada - unless you're a privileged hockey player or something. British people have awful looking teeth. Japanese people eat fish for every meal, resulting in very low cholesterol levels, so of course they have a longer life expectancy. Maybe we should improve our diet!!! But of course our system is the most expensive - we have the most money!! Do you think everyone in foreign countries gets a colonoscopy when they reach age 50? Do you think parents in foreign countries foot the bill to get braces on all their kid's teeth? Healthcare is about the single most regulated industry in the US. Maybe it's time for the Feds to get the hell out of the way!!
Thank you. I was sitting here trying to figure out how to say basically what you said.
Psyop to cover up a bigger crime. IMO. None of it makes any sense. He is way too young to be so jaded, and it drives him to murder. Ain't buying any of it.
The Marxist indoctrination of so many of the young perhaps? I mean he was IVY grad. Ground ZERO Commie Marxist indoctrination...
A failed back surgery and medications given can wreck a person and make them do some crazy things. Not condoning or justifying...just sayin.
I suppose that could be but, he is only 26. His brain was just fully developed. I find his youth to be the biggest "red flag" to a cover of some sort?
I'm hearing more now about his mother's long term struggles with uncontrolled pain, and the nightmare of trying to get her help. He was tortured in numerous ways it sounds like.
@Patti- so are thousands of people but they don't go around murdering CEOs or anyone else, for that matter.
Not every condition is treatable, something a 26 yo might be naive about.
not to mention which he was valedictorian in his classes, a bright young man, yet he's caught a week later with the murder weapon, and other evidence? i can't believe he'd be that stupid~
He’s probably mentally ill.
covid vaxxed?
I don’t think mental illness is a side effect of the jab.
I really like this book. It was an eye opener about vaccines and it's effects on the brain.
The Indoctrinated Brain by Michael Nehls
"I <insert name> did this crime and killed the <insert name of company> CEO with no help of the feds. None whatsoever. Don't even bother going through my phone to see if they were in contact with me since it's so locked down!"
That statement did make me laugh!
mental health issues
Astonishingly undereducated, smart- stupid, ignorant, semi literate, self possessed, narcissist. Cult indoctrinated to the point of having no humanity, self awareness or respect for human life, including his own. What a disgusting human being. Incarceration will not be kind to him. Praying there are not more of these creatures out there.
I believe they set this guy up to take the fall unwillingly ”I acted alone, don’t look for anyone else”. How obvious.
Exactly and he said parasites as in more than one.
I’m curious why he wasn’t staking out Obama’s compound in Martha’s, (or was the Prez hanging in his DC manse or hell, they could’ve been neighbors in Hawaii) cos we all know the ACA was a gigantic payout to these big “greedy” companies.
This kid who I thought was a Professional hit man is a moron. Since Obamacare right every doctor who works today can't take a shit without a team of lawyers who run the hospital the clinic the doctor's office. Why is no one talking about the lawyers? And the costs of energy to run a place you're talking about half a million a month to run a hospital setting. The kid is a dumb ass and he deserves life in prison.
Mangione’s disallusionment with a system that cares little for the well-being of the average American, the astronomical greed and billions of dollars made off the backs of US citizens by corporate senior management of these huge conglomerates caused him to put thoughts and feelings into action.
Right or wrong, how many of us in these past several years have been overwhelmed and angered, with some very dark thoughts about what we’d like to do to certain monster types like Gates, Fauci, Klaus Schwab if we could get away with it? Both Americans and Canadians have struggled under two of the worst leaders in the history of either country. Mental illness is skyrocketing as are suicides and murders. Of course it is wrong to kill - I believe Mangione knows this too. It’s easy to sit back and pass judgement on this well educated affluent young man. Remember, we don’t walk in his shoes.
There is absolutely no excuse for murder. I don't care what happened to him or his mother you don't go out a kill someone. Brian Thompson was an innocent man, a father, a husband, living his life. He did not have the privilege of this scumbag nut job. THERE IS NO JUSTIFICATION FOR LYING IN WAIT AND PREMEDITATED MURDER. NONE.
I agree…….unfortunately my like button won’t work.
There is an annoying glitch on Substack when using IPhone to “like” and comment. I am immediately directed to “sign in” even though I am a paid subscriber. I went through it for ya Kathleen😊
I suspect cameras will fail in the jail cell and he’ll be suicided. They aren’t going to let him talk anymore than Oswald was allowed to talk.
Isn’t it weird how we know so much more about this guy Mangione than we do either of the guys that tried to kill Trump?
Can anybody explain how he knew exactly when the CEO was coming out of the hotel at that time of the morning?
No reason not to print it.
Interesting that some words like "united Healthcare " "insurance companies " are the only ones illegible.
Two things:
1. Why is he referring to multiple victims
2. It's hard to take seriously something a lesser guest on Morning Joe might write in three minutes as a "manifesto"
It's more of a "minifesto", and also doesn't really read as if he was supposed to be taken alive.
May explain why he kept the gun, I suppose.
He still had his gun.
He could have used words instead of a bullet.
Not just a bullet...walk up intentionally and planned and shot a human from behind. Talk about the ultimate cowardly ACT
There is irony in all this. United Healthcare biggest beneficiary of Obamacare, progressives self proclaimed democratic resort to violence to supposedly change status quo. There are issues with brain wirings with too many people