Israel has always been the most important country to judge the mRNA Covid vaccines.
Why?
It has nearly total adult vaccine coverage. Efforts to blame "the unvaccinated” for whatever is happening won’t hold. Israel has good data - far more complete and up-to-date than American figures. And it vaccinates quickly, so whatever impact the vaccines are having rolls through the population (and the data) quickly.
But most of all, Israel matters because Israel was first. It mass vaccinated with Pfizer’s mRNA first and it boosted first. And human biology is the same everywhere.
So what happens in Israel happens in all the other mRNA countries eventually. As the chief scientific officer of Pfizer said in September, Israel is a “sort of laboratory” for the vaccines.
Here’s how the Israeli experiment is going.
This chart tracks serious Covid cases (basically intensive care hospitalizations) in Israel from early 2020, the beginning of the epidemic:
(The United States has 36 times as many people as Israel, so 1,000 ICU patients translates into 36,000. Israel also has a relatively young population, meaning Covid will be less severe overall than in the US.)
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The chart shows five distinct Covid spikes. The first two are in 2020, in the pre-vaccine era.
The third spike, the middle one, is the largest so far. It took place from December 2020 through February 2021, just as mass vaccinations of the elderly began.
As I wrote at the time on Twitter, that link probably wasn’t a coincidence. Countries near Israel that were not vaccinating didn’t have spikes as severe. Britain, the second major country to start mass vaccinations, did. Later work has shown a marked rise in infections just after the first mRNA dose, probably because the vaccine temporarily reduces overall immunity to infection.
But even a couple really bad weeks is a small price to pay for long-run success. What happened as the vaccination campaign progressed?
After January 2021, serious cases plunged, falling almost to zero by May - a total that included some unfortunate folks who’d been stuck on ventilators for months.
This was what I would later call the happy vaccine valley, that brief period when the vaccines appeared to work as advertised.
Vaccine advocates were overjoyed. They believed the vaccines would essentially end Covid. “Herd immunity” was in sight.
On May 20, Dr. Anthony Fauci told the Washington Post on May 20 he believed Covid could be eliminated in the United States - not merely controlled, but eliminated - if only enough people would be vaccinated.
Some people who are even more skeptical than I am will argue that the spring Israeli gains were largely seasonal and not vaccine-driven. I disagree. For most of May 2020, Israel reported fewer than 20 cases of coronavirus daily; I don’t think the decline was merely due to seasonality.
But it doesn’t matter.
The tragedy of the mRNA vaccines is not that they don’t work at all.
They do. For a couple months - four or five at most. And last spring, they gave the people who believed in them a glimpse of a world without Covid, a world in which dedicated researchers had destroyed drug industry skeptics like me and thrown the conspiracy theorists back in the basement.
Pfizer’s triumphant motto: “Science will win.”
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Pfizer was wrong.
Science didn’t win. Biology won.
Our immune systems cleared out the anti-spike protein antibodies that the mRNA vaccines had forced them to make; and the vaccines did not produce the same long-term immunological improvements that natural infection and recovery from Covid cause.
Once the antibodies disappeared, the protection did too.
By July, new infections in Israel were soaring. By August, serious cases were soaring too. (The late summer 2021 spike is the fourth one on the top chart.)
The majority of the sick had been fully vaccinated - 60 percent as of mid-August. Yes, the unvaccinated still had a higher risk of becoming severely ill. But as I have written over and over, comparing death rates in unvaccinated elderly people in highly vaccinated countries to rates in the much larger group of vaccinated people is misleading. Many unvaccinated elderly people have not been vaccinated because they are too frail to tolerate a vaccine, and thus they are at high risk from Covid (or any illness).
The overall population-level numbers are what matter. Israeli health experts knew. “This is a very clear warning sign for the rest of the world,” one told Science magazine on August 15.
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At this point public health authorities and governments in Israel and everywhere else had a choice.
They could admit that the mRNA vaccines were failing - that their protection was dropping and would continue to drop - and that the world would have to live with Covid for the foreseeable future.
Or they could double down and offer a third “booster” dose of mRNA - a dose that had not been given in the large clinical trials in 2020 from Pfizer and Moderna that had led them to authorize use of the vaccines.
Very preliminary clinical trial data suggested that a third dose would increase anti-spike-protein antibodies - temporarily. But no one could know whether it would produce long-term immunity. And the fact that original two-dose regimen had not done so should have been an enormous warning sign.
But political imperatives and an unwillingness to admit error took over. At this point the story turns dark.
The best - best! - possible interpretation of the press for boosters is that the vaccine advocates chose to “believe” in the vaccines, in the absence of any long-term safety or efficacy data on a third dose. But faith is not science. And by plenty of experts - including two of the Food and Drug Administration’s top vaccine regulators - openly questioned the plans to offer a third dose widely.
No matter. On Sept. 2, Fauci said at a White House briefing that he expected three doses would do the job where two had not.
“I must say, from my own experience as an immunologist, I would not at all be surprised that the adequate, full regimen for vaccination will likely be three doses… we have good reason to believe — that that only will not be a strong response, but that it will actually be durable.”
Here’s the Israeli serious case chart again - this time for the last six months, July through now.
Yep, the third dose “worked.”
Cases dropped again. But this time they didn’t get almost to zero, as they had in late spring; and the vaccine valley was even shorter. A third dose was LESS, not more, effective than the original regimen. And the lack of effectiveness occurred even though the vaccines produce a larger number of antibodies at the peak following the third dose than they do after the second.
Again, biology won.
But this time it wasn’t just human biology working against the vaccines. Sars-Cov-2 gets a vote too. And Sars-Cov-2 had mutated in a way to make the vaccines much less effective.
As a result, Omicron infections in Israel have reached levels that no nation in the world (aside from a couple of other equally highly vaccinated countries) have ever seen. Even though Omicron is not as dangerous as earlier variants, the total caseload is so high that the hospitals are once again filling.
This was entirely predictable. How predictable?
It’s over, okay?
Israel is first, always.
Other highly vaccinated and boosted countries are a few weeks behind, and their boosted patients may still have some partial protection against severe disease and death. (People who received two doses last winter or spring probably have none at this point, if the data out of Scotland and the United Kingdom are to be believed.)
But that won’t last. The Israeli experience this month could not be clearer. A third dose does not provide long-term protection. When it fails, the boomerang effect is severe. Hospitals come under even more pressure than they would in a “natural” Covid wave, because the vaccine failure is highly synchronized - everyone becomes exposed at once.
And so - insanity upon insanity - the Israelis are offering a fourth dose.
Why would anyone believe at this point that a fourth dose will help for more than a couple of weeks? Not months, weeks. The trend line was obvious even BEFORE Omicron arrived; and Omicron drives vaccine efficacy down even more quickly. In countries with good data, vaccinated people actually are more likely to be infected than the unvaccinated.
Further, a fourth dose is likely to have MORE severe side effects - remember, the second and third doses produce notably increasing levels of heart inflammation in men, and mRNA therapeutics were repurposed as vaccines because of problems with toxicity after repeated dosing.
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It’s over.
The vaccines have been proven ineffective for more than a few months against the wild-type virus. They appear to have negative efficacy against Omicron.
Forget all the black swans. Forget Marek’s. Forget antibody-dependent enhancement. Forget the strange rise in all-cause deaths last fall in highly vaccinated countries (which mercifully, seems to have stopped in the United Kingdom in the last couple of weeks - though that easing raises even more questions about why it happened at all). Forget the risk of long-term immunocompromise that might lead vaccinated people to be at higher risk for future Covid infections. Forget the nearly one million side effect reports now in the federal Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System.
Judged SOLELY on the basis of the last year’s efficacy data, the mRNA vaccines are a failed product and should be withdrawn. Any future mRNA vaccines - against the Omicron variant or any other target- need to be tested for safety and efficacy in large-scale clinical trial for YEARS. Not months, years. This kind of billion-person experiment must never happen again.
It’s over, okay? We didn’t get the Hollywood ending.
As I’ve suggested since day one March 2020, if this is a Bioweapon, and it was first construed to kill people who were frail, compromised physically, and dependent that limited their physical abilities, wow, sizable percentage of people gone…
And then the Chinese alter this weapon with Delta, Omicron, and I know there’s another variant that’s gotta come from somewhere that’s going to make Ebola look like fun…
Keep underestimating sociopathy, we’ve seen in movies and literature that we called science fiction how it’s future nonfiction, these ideas/screenplays don’t come out of thin air…
And, evil expects you to remain apathetic indifferent inactive and uncaring, boy, has the majority of the human race literally laid down and waited for the inevitable crushing of lives to become a horrific reality.
You know what I find both hilarious and hideous, I know people read my comments and think I’m a loon or I’m just obnoxious, but subconsciously, they freak the fuck out…
I like to think I am kind of grounded 😂 but I must say that I don’t think they are done with us. If we just look at the actions/consequences of the last 2 yrs we see a campaign of fear/divisiveness/suppression of treatments so as to increase death rate & drive the fear to levels unseen before. Propaganda about vaccines knowing they r not what is promised.. ect.. results are the most incredible transfer of wealth in the history of our country.. broken trust/broken healthcare system. Emotionally exhausted population.. I could go on.. after covid.. MAERS was also enhanced via GOF.. so next.. there have been no consequences so far for Fauci despite his GOF resulting in this “ pandemic “ hiding evidence of lab leak, suppression of known & safe therapeutics.. so why not another round? Who will stop this?
I know this is vile and disgusting to write, but, I can’t wait to read of democrat parents who’s kids die from vaccines and boosters, then blame it on Republicans.
Frankly, I have no faith in humanity, this Covid tyranny shit show should’ve ended by fall of 2020, going to year three now says no one gives a shit about themselves, their kids, older family, not the community, in the end, not even in themselves.
Deeds not words are what defile us, no, not a typo, beyond defining…
A lot of people were saying that before the vax rollout, but they got de-platformed and ostracized along with those discussing natural immunity and treatments.
That is the real science. In this whole mess, it was pseudo science talking, and the evil king of pseudo science was listened to, instead of the people who really knew, like VandenBosch, Kory, Alexander and many others. But they were silenced in favor of King Green
Pertussis and Tubercluosis while not eradicated have been GREATLY controlled by vaccines. I wouldn't disparage the effort to GREATLY control COVID by vaccines. After 8 months the vaccines we have created has just shown to be a failure.
I'm seriously beginning to believe the rumors being floated that the vaxxines are in fact causing the exact diseases that they are labeled to eradicate. Polio, TB, Flu covid etc... it's a dark evil that regular day folk cannot fathom. God help us
This was Big Pharma’s big opportunity to mass test if they could vaxx away a respiratory virus with their new technology. They eagerly used most of the population to conduct their science experiment. All I can say is that I’m happy I wasn’t their guinea pig.
The croatian government tells VonderLeyen exactly what they think of her without saying it! What a man ! Thankfully at least a few European countries are waking up to what is going on.
That's not a win, it's the fulfillment of a prediction based on previous experience. Seeking the truth isn't about beating anything or anyone - except those who want to hide the truth. Pfizer's idea of science however, is more hubrisic and adversarial. They are gambling addicts who get big fat payouts even when they lose a bet.
Exactly. Dr. Bhakdi explains that respiratory viruses get secreted out through a different type of immunity which is in the linings of the lungs and intestines. Even if those "vaccines" were safe, their efficacy still will be at 0%.
There is no cure for the common (or uncommon) cold. Even very very mean and nasty colds are still colds. No cure. Therapies and protecting the vulnerable are the only known mitigation. We are now proving it once again on a worldwide basis and by proving once again what does not work. A very expensive re-learning of what science - and all of our old wives - already knew.
No FDA APPROVED cure. If Ivermectin and HCQ work on SARS-CoV2 then it will likely work for your next Coronavirus Cold. I treated myself with Ivermectin a few months ago for RSV that I picked up from my grandson. Killed it deader than a hammer in 36 hours. RSV is another RNA virus.
Yep ! Me too. It was like someone flipped a switch after dose 2 Ivermectin. Fever gone, headache gone, severe weakness lifted, etc. Amazing for an unvaxed 73 year old with comorbids !
Same experience with my grandma. She had the original covid and then got omnicrom earlier this month and both times she was doing pretty bad and then after her second dose of iver she was almost all better.
Sometimes it only takes a dose or two - depending. Sometimes, people need 3 doses. We took 5 days - were 80% at that point. Read that a very sick ICU patient required 2 weeks, but got out of hospital - recovered.
Covid went through my kids and I last week without us really realizing it. I did have questions with the 10 year old’s fever, headache, and “cloud in her brain,” the day after little brother had a headache and I blew my nose twice. Her home test was negative. A cool towel on her head, an open window, and the next day she was fine.
Wednesday night this week my husband got knocked on his butt very suddenly. High fever. Headache. Body aches. Chills. Not super scary, but knocked him out for the night. First thing Thursday morning he took the ivermectin. Also the vitamins. (Our integrative health practice customizes specifics but mostly the normal drill). The Covid test came back negative Thursday morning, but our hunch was Covid. Took ivermectin again Friday morning. Was out of bed by 10am and working but tired. For the heck of it took another test Friday night. Instantly positive. Took Ivermectin this morning (Saturday). Was totally fine. No fever or anything. Energy mostly back. He’ll take another final dose tomorrow. We are all unvaccinated pure bloods.
It wasn’t all that bad. He’s healthy and 42. But, his vitamin D levels were low in October (32) before we added K2. He has underlying inflammation.
I don’t know if Ivermectin worked or not. Or the vitamins. Or the fresh the cool towel (people, if you’re sick, open a window even if it’s freezing outside. Fresh air helps!).
What I do know is it sure as heck didn’t hurt anything. It wasn’t any worse than doing nothing. It might have saved him a few extra days of misery or worse.
Millions of people have the stuff because millions of prescriptions have been filled for human ivermectin in the US. And it was nice to enjoy a happy healthy snow day with the kids today. 😊
Next time I get a virus I’m totally going to pop a few ivermectin and see what happens. It’s an anti-microbial. Not like big pharma has a great alternative. 😂
We weren’t opposed to vaccinations two years ago. We haven’t gotten any shots since 2019 because we saw no point in 2020. By 2021 it became clear to us it’s gonna be a long long time before any of us do again. Our daughter wasn’t getting guardisil before this. It’s in our 2018 will. The kids have already gotten everything else.
I don’t know when the change was made, but the FLCCC early treatment protocol was updated to hydroxychloroquine for Omicron variant instead of ivermectin. That’s what my doctor prescribed earlier this week.
Persistent headache, fever, cough, brain fog, and malaise, but no bronchitis (worst symptom of the original COVID-19; the spasms could have been fatal). 1 g vitamin C every half hour seems to have cleared it out.
If only COVID was a common cold. Unfortunately not, as the families of millions around the world would attest to. People should not be making medical or scientific comments if they are not medically trained in this specific area of expertise. The vaccine clearly protect against severe disease. If you review the scientific data properly you can’t miss it.
"The vaccine clearly protect against severe disease"
There is no clinical trial data whatsoever to support this. This was a messaging strategy delivered via political avenues as a sales pitch to take the vaccine once it was abundantly clear that they were nowhere near sterilizing treatments.
While it may be true that some temporary benefit is being conferred (as Alex seems to believe or at least not want to disbelieve publicly), many have shown these benefits to be the result of definitional gymnastics (and the statistical manipulation that results), non-equated cohorts, and unreliable and inconsistent data collection (perhaps with malice due to incentives of the data collector/deliverer).
we are going to see a major fall out in the coming years as the vaccinated population is less healthy and dies sooner. hard thing to look at but it's already popping up for insurance companies. incredible how the population got manipulated to roll the dice on experimental gene therapy for a disease that isn't even that lethal. i mean, if ebola is going around (50-80% mortality) i'll roll the dice. but not for covid.
leaving out the discussion of what could have saved most covid deaths. early treatment.
I see deterioration almost daily in people who took the jab, these things have really caused a terrible toll on peoples health now and I fear in the near future
Any allusion of covid vaccine effectiveness was derived from the filtering of the data by the people who stand to gain great wealth$$. IM vaccines for respiratory diseases will never work because the infection occurs in the muscosa system, which has it's own immune system response. Jabs in the arm are useless for respiratory diseases. ( See FLU ).
I don’t agree with you about the data. The data I have reviewed and that has been presented by the experts i have spoken with supports the fact that the vaccines do prevent severe sickness and death. Nothing is 100% of course.
I may be wrong but read that volunteers for original trial were all very healthy subjects. No co morbidities. Given that we now know that this niche does well with the virus & seldom needs ICU. How could the very short study/no control group/no monitoring board/ect.. conclude that it saved anyone from severe disease & death?
The vaccines "clearly protect against severe disease?" They do? And if so, for how long? I keep hearing this pronouncement, but this was also what Fauci said about the HIV/AIDS vaccine - that it wouldn't prevent it but would "keep you from dying." And yet, the vast majority of unvaccinated people who get Covid do not die and are not even hospitalized anyway. How do we determine this? Where are these studies? And if the protection from getting the virus wears off after a few months, what about this protection from death and serious disease? How long does that last exactly?
That is one of the most frustrating things to me. I have had quite a few friends who were vaccinated, got COVID, got better. They then declare, "Great thing that I got my vaccine or it would have been worse". What??? How do you know that other than a blatant assertion with no evidence? Chances were they would have been fine anyway. I haven't found a nice way to point this out so I do an internal sigh.
I feel the same way about not knowing how to address this. I even heard someone declare, "Thank goodness I had the vaccines. It took me a full month to recover; imagine how much worse it would have been without my 3 shots!" What? Really? I had it, took ivermectin and had been taking vitamins for months, and I had a couple days of minor symptoms before I was done. I don't call being sick for a month a "win" for the vaccines. People have lost their ability to think.
It's called confirmation bias...they want to believe that they made the correct decision in getting vaccinated, nothing you can do will change their mind. the fact that they survived Covid is all the proof they need that they were right...that is until some weird auto-immune disease kicks their ass OR they drop dead from M.I.
Again the issue as to whether a fully informed, non-brainwashed or otherwise pressured person should or should not get the vaccine might hinge upon his or her age and co-morbidities. It might be that the few months gained from "happy vaccine valleys" might work for a 90 year old who has already outlived his/her average life-span but would be completely suicidal for a healthy 40 yr old and homicidal for parents forcing their children to get the shot. There's a huge range here depending upon age and co-morbidities (given the fact that Walensky admitted that 75% of all Covid deaths were people suffering from at least 4 co-morbidities and probably she understated it given her track record for sugarcoating). The biggest component of Fauci Ilk's "Nobel Lies" involve their "one size fits all" push. Much of Europe stopped Moderna (and other?) vaccinating teenagers and children some time ago as it's essentially criminal.
Great point. From a practical point of view I don't know how you can even do a study on the "my symptoms would have been worse but for the vaccine." However, there were more Covid deaths in 2021 than 2020. How can anyone say they were effective unless there was some type of evidence the deaths and hospitalizations would have been even higher.
Yes, wouldn't one think that at the very least, with close to 80% of adults fully vaccinated (and higher numbers than that of the oldest population), 2021 would have been BETTER? Not WORSE? That alone screams louder than anything I can think of.
Your statement is wildly unsupported by the data. Also, you leave out two critical points...just what time frame or how long do you think this protection lasts...and at what cost in side effects (cancer rates, miscarriages, cardiovascular events, fertility impacts, etc.) from all that medium and long term safety data what was never collected because studies have never been done...
Then you have the fundamental truths that you should never try to vaccinate out of pandemic, you should never vaccinate people with a leaky, non-neutralizing, escape mutant generating inoculation, and you should never rush novel vaccines, based on novel delivery mechanisms (nanolipids), in an area of vaccinology that is famous for it's failures - coronaviruses.
You should realize that the "protects against severe disease" was the absolute last fig leaf these failed products had in the propaganda war used to force them on the public.
Not a medical person but I do work with statistics. To say that the gene therapies "protect against severe illness and death" has not been proven (to my knowledge). So until there is evidence-based proof, then that statement is highly subjective.
The only way that I think this could be checked would be to take the pre-vaccine period, then the post-vaccine period over the same timeline (let's say from Feb 2020 to Nov 2020 and Feb 2021 - Nov 2021 (so prior to the start of any booster shots) in one or preferably two, highly injected countries - let's say Ireland and Israel. Look at all-cause mortality in both time periods, on a population adjusted basis and see if there is any difference. Use the average all-cause mortality of three prior years over the same time period as a way to compare.
If all-cause mortality is no different between the two periods, then the vaccines are useless. If all-cause mortality is significantly down in the second period, then the statement may be correct. On the other hand, if it is up, then there would be questions as to why.
Yes. There is no mention of the “vaccine’s” potential for harm. So much coming out on that everyday. Moreover, many “people” making medical and scientific comments do have “medical training” but interpret it in a way that appears to be financially rewarding or politically correct.
If you know how doctors are so ready to prescribe SSRIs and ADHD meds in the face of piles of testimony and data on their lethality and ineffectiveness this mRNA shot fan club smells much the same.
Sadly though those with the medical expertise and knowledge have failed us miserably. They have withheld vital information and put all the eggs in the vaccine basket, virtually ignoring early treatments and therapeutics. Why is that? If this was about public health and saving people/protecting the vulnerable we'd have options and doctors would not have their hands tied in treating their patients.
Covid is serious for some people... absolutely...and what have those with the medical expertise done? FDA now pulling EUA for monoclonals and telling us the continue the same protocols that haven't worked. Truly sad times.
Watch the 5 hours of testimony by renowned doctors at Senator Johnson’s conference. They parsed through this in detail. The scientific data they presented was stunning and the issues are multifaceted.
There is a video up on Rumble as of today from OANN titled, "Non-COVID deaths among Americans in prime of life are up 140% above normal since vaccines introduced".
This is problematic on a number of levels.
Since you raised the issue of medical training, I say that this is problematic as a non-medical person with a college degree (B.S.) and some medical training thanks to various life circumstances--and I do my research. I am also a student of world history.
A naturopath that I've seen for years likes to say, "Don't check your brain with your coat and hat when you walk in the door of a doctor's office." What he means by that: the quality of the medical care that you receive is up to you. You can't expect your doctor--who sees hundreds of patients in between your visits--to remember everything about what you can and can't have in terms of medical treatment, or why. You can't afford NOT to be medically educated (at the very least about your own medical issues) whether or not you are in the medical field. And you can't afford not to speak up and discuss it with your doctor when necessary. And if you can do that, then you have what it takes to discuss these issues intelligently here and elsewhere too.
Looking at world history, a catastrophe that causes death rates to jump 140% for NON-RELATED causes is more severe than just about any disaster that we've ever had. There are a few notable exceptions that might be arguably worse, but most of them are far more localized like the destruction of the Minoan civilization, or the tidal wave that flooded the English Channel in pre-history, turning Britain into an island.
And the very worst of it is that most or all of these most recent deaths were completely preventable. All medical personnel had to do was keep treating patients with cancer and other comorbidities like diabetes, doing surgeries, prescribing asthma meds, offering accepted treatments, and so on. The high suicide rate for people who were cut off from contact with humanity is particularly fraught. Psychiatric care is NOT optional. People are dying for lack of it and for lack of necessary human contact.
Please ask yourself why you would still believe any pronouncements from the people who are still, even now, actively causing this catastrophe by denying medical care to people who need it in a crisis? Everyone needs to stop blindly following and start holding them accountable.
The video is a bit inconsistent, because although he said the death rate is higher in the vaccinated, and he quotes the insurance company that reports deaths from all causes up the 40% in the vaccinated, but reporting deaths of Americans in the prime of life are up 140%, he does not specify only in vaccinated.
Interesting, when I search the title using DucDuckGo, which is usually not as biased as Google, although it brings up numerous outlets with that title, and I assume video, included box promos, the first to the show up at the top are box promos for so-called Recent News:
"Some Americans are hesitant about Covid vaccines. But they’re all-in on unproven treatments", from STAT, which is about mostly a hit piece on Ron DeSantis, and the title of the other one, from the Guardian, is, "Covid live: boosters increase protection from death in Omicron in over 50s to 95% - UKHSA; UK records 338 deaths", but when you click on that the page is not found. I gave various feedback for this including don't trust the sources, not what I'm looking for, and the page wasn't found for one of them. Perhaps it is related to the Instant Answers, which I had not yet turned off again.
Preventing serious disease wasn't the basis the vaxxes were given EUA's. It was relative effectiveness against symptomatic infection. That's where they now woefully obsolete 95% effective comes from.
Then it was never clear they didn't anything to reduce covid deaths. In Pfizer's six month trial a total of 3 people, 2 placebo and 1 vax, died of covid out of about 40,000 total participants. From the trial I'm not sure what conclusions you can draw about the most severe form of the disease considering so few people actually died presumably from covid and not with covid.
Then there is the little matter of all cause mortality being higher in the vax cohort.
I'm sorry for your loss. My deepest condolences to you and your family. My father died of covid-19 pre-vaccine times, told not to go to doctor's office and them when is O2 was so low he was hospitalized and given remdesivir and put on a ventilator. Appalling that there has been little discussion on early treatments and those that work are censored.
One of my brothers died of ALS last January and the last year of his life was spent alone in a crappy assisted living facility and his stupid family didn't fight to get in to see him. He lived in Phoenix, 2000 miles from me. The idiots running the dump he was in and his family, between them, forgot that dying humans need contact with loved ones. I'm still so bitter over the cowardice that puts people in isolation over this disease that the shots were supposed to halt in its tracks. We've lost a lot of our humanity.
Absolutely agree. I saw a news report early on in this pandemic where a bunch of assisted living residents were in wheelchairs on the side walk with signs that said they would rather die of covid than die alone. So heartbreaking
What is interesting in the Johnson hearings is the VERY LAST person to testify was a nurse who had volunteered to go to NYC at the beginning. Roughly quoting: I didn't see people dying of covid I saw them dying of lack of treatment.
My sister's husband hovered near death after his second shot but amazingly he did receive a massive amt of treatment, particularly huge levels of steroids, in part because his brother was a doctor who "consulted" daily on the situation.
After watching the hearings, I wondered, "is my brother-in-law still here because he wasn't a covid patient, but an early-on "vaxx" injury?" It is a weird thought. However, he now has a chronic anemia that has destroyed his health and shortened his life expectancy.
People have not just a right but a duty to critique and demand proof of any drug they're asked to take. It's called informed consent. That's especially true when the "experts" have been repeatedly proven to be corrupt, malicious liars.
I agree with you. But the problem I see for me is that there is now so much cynicism, skepticism and possible unfounded fear and hatred of authority that people may be making wrong decisions based in emotions as a result of this new social/political climate we are all in.
At the moment, fear and hatred of authority is not unfounded. It arises from a pattern of lies and malfeasance that is extensively documented and continues daily. As long as "experts" continue to spew lies, which can be disproven by empirically measurable facts, and that harm nearly the entire population, that skepticism is not only justified but essential. The "experts" have caused this situation to occur. They are entirely at fault.
I'm sorry, "unfounded fear and hatred of authority"? These people have lied to the American people and the world and have been trying to divert and cover up the origins of this virus. We have every reason to not believe any words that are coming out of their mouths as every day it's something new which was different than just the day before. They have withheld early treatments, they have manipulated data, they have instilled fear in people unnecessarily. And it's not just the so-called health experts, it's also pharmaceutical companies like Pfizer that have done faulty trials, selective trials, and also manipulated trial data so they can sell more shots.
It is unfortunate that they have caused this, the so-called health experts and authorities because if something really does come down the pike with a much higher mortality rate they're going to have a hard time selling it because they have destroyed their own reputations and they have to destroyed the confidence that we as taxpayers should have in them to do what's best for the public at large not their greedy selves.
I don’t know whether you indulged in a jab. Not my business. I think, however, that those who did indulge, did so out of fear and that is a decision based in emotions. Also, at this point, I begin to think that you are just out for a troll.
Congratulations! You win the troll award for this this article! I will concede your point, however: in an ideal world, lay people should not try to make medical decisions. Unfortunately, we do not live in an ideal world. In fact, we live in an extraordinarily corrupt one. Although the problems existed well before, the past two years have proven if nothing else that Big Pharma has taken over entire branches of government (medical regulation and research) as well as related influence in other areas of government. This is fairly easily proven "by inspection" as they said in mathematics. These experts, that I suppose you would say we should trust, have proven themselves on multiple occasions to be completely unworthy of any trust. It is clear that public health and safety are not their top priorities. You ignore that fact at your own peril -- and those of your loved ones too, perhaps.
I don’t have any training. That’s is why I try to be very careful with my comments. I know my opinions mean nothing. All I am saying is COVID is not a cold. That is common knowledge that we all have at this point in time.
Actually your comments aren’t so very careful. You stated assertively that the jabs reduce severe illness and death without any data backup. And now, you assert that COVID is not a cold without defining a cold. You also assert that this is common knowledge. Common among whom? Thank you
Even those in the medical field have problems understanding what's going on. This is a complex situation that requires interdisciplinary field to resolve not just medical professionals.
The available data from "good data" countries (UK, Denmark) do not support this claim about muh severe disease.
In UK, the two-dose people are now having worse COVID outcomes (hospitalization, death) than the dirty dirty unvaccinated. This signal is hidden behind the tricks the UKHSA is playing with mixing boostered people into the sample, and then totally removing the two-dose people.
These claims about the efficacy against bad outcomes are largely driven by US data which is everyone knows is (deliberately) garbage. Do yourself a favour and set aside 6 hours to watch the Ron Johnson senate hearing. It'll open your eyes like nothing else: https://rumble.com/vt62y6-covid-19-a-second-opinion.html.
At what cost does it protect against severe disease? It gives you a temporary relief that makes you worse off when the effect wanes. Is that protection? That is delaying the evil day that ends up to be devastating when it finally arrives.
Yes there was! And actually a lot of that early treatment, some of which were pennies for doses, did show to be 100% effective if administered early enough and in the correct dosing. But the trained experts withheld all that and then took it a step further and demonized and degraded and tried to censor those that knew this worked. The sad thing is is that the so-called experts in this actually weren't treating patients but were rather lifelong bureaucrats and none of their policies have helped public health.
Measles is also a very stable virus—if it mutates, it loses its ability to infect. So, unlike SARS-CoV2, it doesn’t mutate much at all, thus it is a prime target for an effective vaccine.
GVB had it right from the jump. Once he explained everything on DarkHorse it seemed pretty straight forward actually. No conspiracy theory or "anti-vaxx" bs, pretty basic, 101 or 201-level biology. So I'll say it with you, "you never mass vaccinate into a pandemic". Now here we are.
Imagine if those in charge would have listened to this advice and spent all our resources on treatments and therapeutics. They have real blood on their hands and lots of it.
We didn't reduce measles or polio or smallpox etc.
We renamed them.
With those diseases doctors were the gatekeepers to a diagnosis - you needed their approval to get a test for them.
With covid you can just walk off the street and get tested - doctor approval not required.
As the vaxed are more scared of the virus than the unvaxed they get tested more so with covid it's *clear* the vaccine is useless whereas with measles etc the data makes it appear as though the vaccines work.
All vaccines are worthless though. Immunity to disease isn't even possible.
Well, the mutating variants may be getting a bit of help from various labs. There is evidence that the Omicron variant came from experimentation in a South African lab. They just don't learn.
I was listening to Gert speak and when he was speaking about what you mentioned in your comment he said you can’t have people exposed to the virus within 3 (or maybe 6, I can’t remember exactly) weeks after being vaccinated. They would need to get the vaccine and then completely quarantine until the body reacts and makes the antibodies. Do you know why this is?
To my understanding, since they're not neutralizing vaccines the individuals would not have developed enough antibodies to stop viral replication yet (this is of course, if the vaccines could stop replication at all). Because of this, if vaccinated individuals are exposed during that period, they'll still be shedding lots of virus which would be concentrated towards the spike protein-resistant mutants since these would be more adept at replication in vaccinated individuals. Basically, vaccinated individuals become sort of a filter for spike protein-resistant mutations of the virus. Unvaccinated people shed plenty of virus of course too but in their case, it's not concentrated towards any particular mutation.
From what I read about measles there was almost 95% immunity and women could give the immunity to their babies through breastfeeding but vaccine induced immunity doesn't work that way.
I know you mean well, but any discussion of a computer generated genome virus is not only moot, but hopelessly validates the 'Virology' germ theory/contagion scam. The rabbit hole is deeper than you already suspect...........$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
They have an election to meddle with....they will keep it up long enough to keep the mail in voting alive. Then...after they win, they might think of loosening up.
I'm doubtful but so hope you are correct. And we all need to get off the damn sofa and become poll watchers, poll workERS And precinct committeeman. Bannon is correct...change needs to start at the grassroots.
Yes I agree 110%. Have to address Commie Dem (and RINO) voter fraud. I still stand by my statement regarding Congress. The Commie Dems are in big trouble there. There aren't many Commie Dem seats up in the Senate. Also state wide races where Commie Dem Urban Hell Holes can pump Voter fraud to the max. See the GA Senate and Gov races.
not all those working at the polling booths are crooked or biased and cheating doesn't happen just anywhere. however, election integrity is a big issue and victories may seem small, but they add up, check out Sidney Powell's Newsletter Good News Friday: 03/18/2022 - https://defendingtherepublic.org/newsletter/
SimmulationCommander you are right. Look also at the plane flights of illegals into this country! March AFB-drop off to….., Moreno Valley, San Bernardino, Coachella Valley.
Did you hear what that Canadian trucker said las night on Tucker? He said his phone had already checked in at the checkpoint without him having to do anything. He didn't know that "feature" was there. Also, that Trudeau had lobbied with the Biden admin to enable that here in the US.
There are protocols, and there have been for a long long time.
Try covid19criticalcare.com. Protocols for treatment at all stages. Paul Marek, one of the authors, is considered the world's #2 intensive care medical specialist, I believe.
I was being sarcastic, of course there are, but you would never know it from the tsunami of "go vaccine, nothing else works" from the medical establishment and Media. I have done for my family in spite of them.
Remember when Fake Dr. Fauci told Actress Jennifer Garner that he took vitamin D and did not mind if she did. No emphasis on D3 for 2 years. Now D3 will get attention as vaccines fail. Dr. Fauci may be found guilty of MASS murder for NOT promoting treatment for the Global Pandemic of Vitamin D Deficiency that fueled the COVID Pandemic!
I noticed in my local Sam's Club last week that they're stocking a LOT more Vit D3 than they did a year ago, so clearly the demand is there, despite the non-efforts of our public 'health' administrators. Keep getting the word out!
Mine as well - about 2 days for me and 4 for my son. I don't know if it's a miracle drug or I'm just in very good shape, but I would certainly take it if I got it again. Exercise and eat right, people. I don't know why that message wasn't put out from the start.
Unfortunately I struggled for 10 days. Not in a horrendous way. Still busied about the day but couldn't completely shake it. But the family member who is double jabbed - and gave it to me - fared no better. Truthfully I think their viral load was a problem for me. Another family member jabbed with J&J came down with Covid a couple of months ago and I breezed by it.
The pharmacy is based in India. You do not need a prescription (true in most countries as Iver is extremely safe) but they don't take credit cards, you need to do an electronic check/bank transfer.
I think some deniers/naysayers but certainly the fence-sitters are starting to question the vaccines. A third, fourth 'booster' is a raising questions among these groups. Specifically, I hear more people saying, "How long is this supposed to go on? How many boosters are we supposed to get?"
Doesn't marketing say one must repeat at least 7X the name before a person remembers it? Same here..no more shots etc. We must along with Alex be a squeaky wheel & source of info for those just waking up.
"How long is this supposed to go on? How many boosters are we supposed to get?" According to the data, about every 4 months. Even that is no guarantee of no serious health event.
Worse. Family. I defy all of his suggestions happily. It makes him mad that a meager other science person calls out the BS of recommendations in this country. I’m feisty.
Yes, they hate to be challenged. I too had the same "how dare you" from my former doc. She even said you can't believe all that you read on the internet or in scientific publications; then, I said well how about wedmd which is where you told me to get info which I then showed her. Silence. Oops busted!
once people will be asked to pay for it every time they or their children have to receive a shot, they might start thinking a bit. maybe, just maybe an uprising (of sorts) will happen, but through many tiny steps instead of with a big bang. GB
Actually, science did win. Science always said you could not vaxx away a respiratory virus. They just refused to listen.
Famous last words: "It's different this time".
As I’ve suggested since day one March 2020, if this is a Bioweapon, and it was first construed to kill people who were frail, compromised physically, and dependent that limited their physical abilities, wow, sizable percentage of people gone…
And then the Chinese alter this weapon with Delta, Omicron, and I know there’s another variant that’s gotta come from somewhere that’s going to make Ebola look like fun…
Keep underestimating sociopathy, we’ve seen in movies and literature that we called science fiction how it’s future nonfiction, these ideas/screenplays don’t come out of thin air…
And, evil expects you to remain apathetic indifferent inactive and uncaring, boy, has the majority of the human race literally laid down and waited for the inevitable crushing of lives to become a horrific reality.
You know what I find both hilarious and hideous, I know people read my comments and think I’m a loon or I’m just obnoxious, but subconsciously, they freak the fuck out…
I like to be seen as a reality check.
I like to think I am kind of grounded 😂 but I must say that I don’t think they are done with us. If we just look at the actions/consequences of the last 2 yrs we see a campaign of fear/divisiveness/suppression of treatments so as to increase death rate & drive the fear to levels unseen before. Propaganda about vaccines knowing they r not what is promised.. ect.. results are the most incredible transfer of wealth in the history of our country.. broken trust/broken healthcare system. Emotionally exhausted population.. I could go on.. after covid.. MAERS was also enhanced via GOF.. so next.. there have been no consequences so far for Fauci despite his GOF resulting in this “ pandemic “ hiding evidence of lab leak, suppression of known & safe therapeutics.. so why not another round? Who will stop this?
Who will stop this?
Not the American public.
I know this is vile and disgusting to write, but, I can’t wait to read of democrat parents who’s kids die from vaccines and boosters, then blame it on Republicans.
Frankly, I have no faith in humanity, this Covid tyranny shit show should’ve ended by fall of 2020, going to year three now says no one gives a shit about themselves, their kids, older family, not the community, in the end, not even in themselves.
Deeds not words are what defile us, no, not a typo, beyond defining…
You, my friend, are wise. For we stated this to the uninformed, and they chose ignorance and pain
I wondered if someone would point this out.
A lot of people were saying that before the vax rollout, but they got de-platformed and ostracized along with those discussing natural immunity and treatments.
You aren’t hearing them correctly (yes the irony coming): they are shrieking SILENCE, not science…
That is the real science. In this whole mess, it was pseudo science talking, and the evil king of pseudo science was listened to, instead of the people who really knew, like VandenBosch, Kory, Alexander and many others. But they were silenced in favor of King Green
but scien-ish©, brought to you pfizer, did win for 2 years.
Pertussis and Tubercluosis while not eradicated have been GREATLY controlled by vaccines. I wouldn't disparage the effort to GREATLY control COVID by vaccines. After 8 months the vaccines we have created has just shown to be a failure.
Not JUST a failure, but harmful! Unacceptable behaviors on the powers that be.
Both TB and Pertussis are bacterial, not viral.
Good point. I stand corrected
I'm seriously beginning to believe the rumors being floated that the vaxxines are in fact causing the exact diseases that they are labeled to eradicate. Polio, TB, Flu covid etc... it's a dark evil that regular day folk cannot fathom. God help us
The pertussis vax isn’t sterilizing either, mostly mitigates symptoms and only benefits the vaccinated person.
This was Big Pharma’s big opportunity to mass test if they could vaxx away a respiratory virus with their new technology. They eagerly used most of the population to conduct their science experiment. All I can say is that I’m happy I wasn’t their guinea pig.
Did you see this article ? https://rumble.com/vtafq1-croatian-mep-slams-eu-leader-since-nazism-fundamental-rights-have-never-bee.html
The croatian government tells VonderLeyen exactly what they think of her without saying it! What a man ! Thankfully at least a few European countries are waking up to what is going on.
That's not a win, it's the fulfillment of a prediction based on previous experience. Seeking the truth isn't about beating anything or anyone - except those who want to hide the truth. Pfizer's idea of science however, is more hubrisic and adversarial. They are gambling addicts who get big fat payouts even when they lose a bet.
Exactly. Dr. Bhakdi explains that respiratory viruses get secreted out through a different type of immunity which is in the linings of the lungs and intestines. Even if those "vaccines" were safe, their efficacy still will be at 0%.
There is no cure for the common (or uncommon) cold. Even very very mean and nasty colds are still colds. No cure. Therapies and protecting the vulnerable are the only known mitigation. We are now proving it once again on a worldwide basis and by proving once again what does not work. A very expensive re-learning of what science - and all of our old wives - already knew.
No FDA APPROVED cure. If Ivermectin and HCQ work on SARS-CoV2 then it will likely work for your next Coronavirus Cold. I treated myself with Ivermectin a few months ago for RSV that I picked up from my grandson. Killed it deader than a hammer in 36 hours. RSV is another RNA virus.
Yep ! Me too. It was like someone flipped a switch after dose 2 Ivermectin. Fever gone, headache gone, severe weakness lifted, etc. Amazing for an unvaxed 73 year old with comorbids !
Same experience with my grandma. She had the original covid and then got omnicrom earlier this month and both times she was doing pretty bad and then after her second dose of iver she was almost all better.
Oh, fascinating. I quit ivermectin after two doses because I had no symptoms remaining. Wasn't sure if it worked or not.
Sometimes it only takes a dose or two - depending. Sometimes, people need 3 doses. We took 5 days - were 80% at that point. Read that a very sick ICU patient required 2 weeks, but got out of hospital - recovered.
Covid went through my kids and I last week without us really realizing it. I did have questions with the 10 year old’s fever, headache, and “cloud in her brain,” the day after little brother had a headache and I blew my nose twice. Her home test was negative. A cool towel on her head, an open window, and the next day she was fine.
Wednesday night this week my husband got knocked on his butt very suddenly. High fever. Headache. Body aches. Chills. Not super scary, but knocked him out for the night. First thing Thursday morning he took the ivermectin. Also the vitamins. (Our integrative health practice customizes specifics but mostly the normal drill). The Covid test came back negative Thursday morning, but our hunch was Covid. Took ivermectin again Friday morning. Was out of bed by 10am and working but tired. For the heck of it took another test Friday night. Instantly positive. Took Ivermectin this morning (Saturday). Was totally fine. No fever or anything. Energy mostly back. He’ll take another final dose tomorrow. We are all unvaccinated pure bloods.
It wasn’t all that bad. He’s healthy and 42. But, his vitamin D levels were low in October (32) before we added K2. He has underlying inflammation.
I don’t know if Ivermectin worked or not. Or the vitamins. Or the fresh the cool towel (people, if you’re sick, open a window even if it’s freezing outside. Fresh air helps!).
What I do know is it sure as heck didn’t hurt anything. It wasn’t any worse than doing nothing. It might have saved him a few extra days of misery or worse.
Millions of people have the stuff because millions of prescriptions have been filled for human ivermectin in the US. And it was nice to enjoy a happy healthy snow day with the kids today. 😊
Next time I get a virus I’m totally going to pop a few ivermectin and see what happens. It’s an anti-microbial. Not like big pharma has a great alternative. 😂
We weren’t opposed to vaccinations two years ago. We haven’t gotten any shots since 2019 because we saw no point in 2020. By 2021 it became clear to us it’s gonna be a long long time before any of us do again. Our daughter wasn’t getting guardisil before this. It’s in our 2018 will. The kids have already gotten everything else.
Check out chlorine dioxide water purification.
Ivermectin did not help my Omicron at all.
Knocked mine right out in < 36 hrs.
mine too. Three days and gone like the bride's nightie.
I don’t know when the change was made, but the FLCCC early treatment protocol was updated to hydroxychloroquine for Omicron variant instead of ivermectin. That’s what my doctor prescribed earlier this week.
My doctor and other doctors say it is safe to use ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine and Budesonide at the same time.
They added back hydroxy for Omicron in place of Nitazoxanide but ivermectin has remained in their protocol throughout.
It did seem to help mine.
Helped me. Good as new in 4 days
bad symptoms?
Persistent headache, fever, cough, brain fog, and malaise, but no bronchitis (worst symptom of the original COVID-19; the spasms could have been fatal). 1 g vitamin C every half hour seems to have cleared it out.
Common cold is not a disease. It's a natural body detoxification process
I'll see your two humors and raise you one leech.
Such an ignorant comment.
If only COVID was a common cold. Unfortunately not, as the families of millions around the world would attest to. People should not be making medical or scientific comments if they are not medically trained in this specific area of expertise. The vaccine clearly protect against severe disease. If you review the scientific data properly you can’t miss it.
"The vaccine clearly protect against severe disease"
There is no clinical trial data whatsoever to support this. This was a messaging strategy delivered via political avenues as a sales pitch to take the vaccine once it was abundantly clear that they were nowhere near sterilizing treatments.
While it may be true that some temporary benefit is being conferred (as Alex seems to believe or at least not want to disbelieve publicly), many have shown these benefits to be the result of definitional gymnastics (and the statistical manipulation that results), non-equated cohorts, and unreliable and inconsistent data collection (perhaps with malice due to incentives of the data collector/deliverer).
we are going to see a major fall out in the coming years as the vaccinated population is less healthy and dies sooner. hard thing to look at but it's already popping up for insurance companies. incredible how the population got manipulated to roll the dice on experimental gene therapy for a disease that isn't even that lethal. i mean, if ebola is going around (50-80% mortality) i'll roll the dice. but not for covid.
leaving out the discussion of what could have saved most covid deaths. early treatment.
I see deterioration almost daily in people who took the jab, these things have really caused a terrible toll on peoples health now and I fear in the near future
All of which is criminal and has done more harm than good that this vaccine could ever do
Any allusion of covid vaccine effectiveness was derived from the filtering of the data by the people who stand to gain great wealth$$. IM vaccines for respiratory diseases will never work because the infection occurs in the muscosa system, which has it's own immune system response. Jabs in the arm are useless for respiratory diseases. ( See FLU ).
I don’t agree with you about the data. The data I have reviewed and that has been presented by the experts i have spoken with supports the fact that the vaccines do prevent severe sickness and death. Nothing is 100% of course.
Why anyone would even waste the bandwidth to respond to your ridiculous, not data supported comment is beyond me.
Oh experts! Could you please show the data to which you and your experts refer? I honestly would like to see this.
I may be wrong but read that volunteers for original trial were all very healthy subjects. No co morbidities. Given that we now know that this niche does well with the virus & seldom needs ICU. How could the very short study/no control group/no monitoring board/ect.. conclude that it saved anyone from severe disease & death?
Please supply a link to the data you have reviewed
And what is the data you've reviewed? Can you share that?
We are all waiting for your data
Or the experts.
With the % of death from the original illness was it ever worth the risk?
you my friend are a blinded buffoon!
Show the data
Who are your experts?
Provide link to the data please.
Wanna share that data then?
Get the truth with hard data, "Virus Mania", Jan 2021.
The vaccines "clearly protect against severe disease?" They do? And if so, for how long? I keep hearing this pronouncement, but this was also what Fauci said about the HIV/AIDS vaccine - that it wouldn't prevent it but would "keep you from dying." And yet, the vast majority of unvaccinated people who get Covid do not die and are not even hospitalized anyway. How do we determine this? Where are these studies? And if the protection from getting the virus wears off after a few months, what about this protection from death and serious disease? How long does that last exactly?
That is one of the most frustrating things to me. I have had quite a few friends who were vaccinated, got COVID, got better. They then declare, "Great thing that I got my vaccine or it would have been worse". What??? How do you know that other than a blatant assertion with no evidence? Chances were they would have been fine anyway. I haven't found a nice way to point this out so I do an internal sigh.
I feel the same way about not knowing how to address this. I even heard someone declare, "Thank goodness I had the vaccines. It took me a full month to recover; imagine how much worse it would have been without my 3 shots!" What? Really? I had it, took ivermectin and had been taking vitamins for months, and I had a couple days of minor symptoms before I was done. I don't call being sick for a month a "win" for the vaccines. People have lost their ability to think.
It's called confirmation bias...they want to believe that they made the correct decision in getting vaccinated, nothing you can do will change their mind. the fact that they survived Covid is all the proof they need that they were right...that is until some weird auto-immune disease kicks their ass OR they drop dead from M.I.
Again the issue as to whether a fully informed, non-brainwashed or otherwise pressured person should or should not get the vaccine might hinge upon his or her age and co-morbidities. It might be that the few months gained from "happy vaccine valleys" might work for a 90 year old who has already outlived his/her average life-span but would be completely suicidal for a healthy 40 yr old and homicidal for parents forcing their children to get the shot. There's a huge range here depending upon age and co-morbidities (given the fact that Walensky admitted that 75% of all Covid deaths were people suffering from at least 4 co-morbidities and probably she understated it given her track record for sugarcoating). The biggest component of Fauci Ilk's "Nobel Lies" involve their "one size fits all" push. Much of Europe stopped Moderna (and other?) vaccinating teenagers and children some time ago as it's essentially criminal.
Great point. From a practical point of view I don't know how you can even do a study on the "my symptoms would have been worse but for the vaccine." However, there were more Covid deaths in 2021 than 2020. How can anyone say they were effective unless there was some type of evidence the deaths and hospitalizations would have been even higher.
Yes, wouldn't one think that at the very least, with close to 80% of adults fully vaccinated (and higher numbers than that of the oldest population), 2021 would have been BETTER? Not WORSE? That alone screams louder than anything I can think of.
Your statement is wildly unsupported by the data. Also, you leave out two critical points...just what time frame or how long do you think this protection lasts...and at what cost in side effects (cancer rates, miscarriages, cardiovascular events, fertility impacts, etc.) from all that medium and long term safety data what was never collected because studies have never been done...
Then you have the fundamental truths that you should never try to vaccinate out of pandemic, you should never vaccinate people with a leaky, non-neutralizing, escape mutant generating inoculation, and you should never rush novel vaccines, based on novel delivery mechanisms (nanolipids), in an area of vaccinology that is famous for it's failures - coronaviruses.
You should realize that the "protects against severe disease" was the absolute last fig leaf these failed products had in the propaganda war used to force them on the public.
Not a medical person but I do work with statistics. To say that the gene therapies "protect against severe illness and death" has not been proven (to my knowledge). So until there is evidence-based proof, then that statement is highly subjective.
The only way that I think this could be checked would be to take the pre-vaccine period, then the post-vaccine period over the same timeline (let's say from Feb 2020 to Nov 2020 and Feb 2021 - Nov 2021 (so prior to the start of any booster shots) in one or preferably two, highly injected countries - let's say Ireland and Israel. Look at all-cause mortality in both time periods, on a population adjusted basis and see if there is any difference. Use the average all-cause mortality of three prior years over the same time period as a way to compare.
If all-cause mortality is no different between the two periods, then the vaccines are useless. If all-cause mortality is significantly down in the second period, then the statement may be correct. On the other hand, if it is up, then there would be questions as to why.
The US counts any death within 28 days of someone testing positive as a covid death. Why we have almost 9000,000 C19 Deaths.
Yes. There is no mention of the “vaccine’s” potential for harm. So much coming out on that everyday. Moreover, many “people” making medical and scientific comments do have “medical training” but interpret it in a way that appears to be financially rewarding or politically correct.
If you know how doctors are so ready to prescribe SSRIs and ADHD meds in the face of piles of testimony and data on their lethality and ineffectiveness this mRNA shot fan club smells much the same.
I can not forget that She wants to be called doctor, Doctor Jill Biden.
Medical training? No. But words have power.
Oh but if you're not medically trained then you're NOT allowed to point out the facts. Sheesh.
Sadly though those with the medical expertise and knowledge have failed us miserably. They have withheld vital information and put all the eggs in the vaccine basket, virtually ignoring early treatments and therapeutics. Why is that? If this was about public health and saving people/protecting the vulnerable we'd have options and doctors would not have their hands tied in treating their patients.
Covid is serious for some people... absolutely...and what have those with the medical expertise done? FDA now pulling EUA for monoclonals and telling us the continue the same protocols that haven't worked. Truly sad times.
Watch the 5 hours of testimony by renowned doctors at Senator Johnson’s conference. They parsed through this in detail. The scientific data they presented was stunning and the issues are multifaceted.
Have you got a link to that 5 hour hearing?
Here it is
Watch this from 40 mins to 2.30 - adjust playback speed to 1.5 x so it wont take so long.
https://rumble.com/vt62y6-covid-19-a-second-opinion.hammer
I think this is it. https://rumble.com/vt62y6-covid-19-a-second-opinion.html
There is a video up on Rumble as of today from OANN titled, "Non-COVID deaths among Americans in prime of life are up 140% above normal since vaccines introduced".
This is problematic on a number of levels.
Since you raised the issue of medical training, I say that this is problematic as a non-medical person with a college degree (B.S.) and some medical training thanks to various life circumstances--and I do my research. I am also a student of world history.
A naturopath that I've seen for years likes to say, "Don't check your brain with your coat and hat when you walk in the door of a doctor's office." What he means by that: the quality of the medical care that you receive is up to you. You can't expect your doctor--who sees hundreds of patients in between your visits--to remember everything about what you can and can't have in terms of medical treatment, or why. You can't afford NOT to be medically educated (at the very least about your own medical issues) whether or not you are in the medical field. And you can't afford not to speak up and discuss it with your doctor when necessary. And if you can do that, then you have what it takes to discuss these issues intelligently here and elsewhere too.
Looking at world history, a catastrophe that causes death rates to jump 140% for NON-RELATED causes is more severe than just about any disaster that we've ever had. There are a few notable exceptions that might be arguably worse, but most of them are far more localized like the destruction of the Minoan civilization, or the tidal wave that flooded the English Channel in pre-history, turning Britain into an island.
And the very worst of it is that most or all of these most recent deaths were completely preventable. All medical personnel had to do was keep treating patients with cancer and other comorbidities like diabetes, doing surgeries, prescribing asthma meds, offering accepted treatments, and so on. The high suicide rate for people who were cut off from contact with humanity is particularly fraught. Psychiatric care is NOT optional. People are dying for lack of it and for lack of necessary human contact.
Please ask yourself why you would still believe any pronouncements from the people who are still, even now, actively causing this catastrophe by denying medical care to people who need it in a crisis? Everyone needs to stop blindly following and start holding them accountable.
The video is a bit inconsistent, because although he said the death rate is higher in the vaccinated, and he quotes the insurance company that reports deaths from all causes up the 40% in the vaccinated, but reporting deaths of Americans in the prime of life are up 140%, he does not specify only in vaccinated.
Interesting, when I search the title using DucDuckGo, which is usually not as biased as Google, although it brings up numerous outlets with that title, and I assume video, included box promos, the first to the show up at the top are box promos for so-called Recent News:
"Some Americans are hesitant about Covid vaccines. But they’re all-in on unproven treatments", from STAT, which is about mostly a hit piece on Ron DeSantis, and the title of the other one, from the Guardian, is, "Covid live: boosters increase protection from death in Omicron in over 50s to 95% - UKHSA; UK records 338 deaths", but when you click on that the page is not found. I gave various feedback for this including don't trust the sources, not what I'm looking for, and the page wasn't found for one of them. Perhaps it is related to the Instant Answers, which I had not yet turned off again.
Thank you for the information from Rumble!
Preventing serious disease wasn't the basis the vaxxes were given EUA's. It was relative effectiveness against symptomatic infection. That's where they now woefully obsolete 95% effective comes from.
Then it was never clear they didn't anything to reduce covid deaths. In Pfizer's six month trial a total of 3 people, 2 placebo and 1 vax, died of covid out of about 40,000 total participants. From the trial I'm not sure what conclusions you can draw about the most severe form of the disease considering so few people actually died presumably from covid and not with covid.
Then there is the little matter of all cause mortality being higher in the vax cohort.
My brother died alone in the hospital in November from Covid and was fully vaccinated so protection is poor.
I'm sorry for your loss. My deepest condolences to you and your family. My father died of covid-19 pre-vaccine times, told not to go to doctor's office and them when is O2 was so low he was hospitalized and given remdesivir and put on a ventilator. Appalling that there has been little discussion on early treatments and those that work are censored.
That's heartbreaking. I'm so sorry.
One of my brothers died of ALS last January and the last year of his life was spent alone in a crappy assisted living facility and his stupid family didn't fight to get in to see him. He lived in Phoenix, 2000 miles from me. The idiots running the dump he was in and his family, between them, forgot that dying humans need contact with loved ones. I'm still so bitter over the cowardice that puts people in isolation over this disease that the shots were supposed to halt in its tracks. We've lost a lot of our humanity.
Absolutely agree. I saw a news report early on in this pandemic where a bunch of assisted living residents were in wheelchairs on the side walk with signs that said they would rather die of covid than die alone. So heartbreaking
So sorry for your loss. I know some intelligent people who would say, "this is anecdotal evidence." So many deceived people
What is interesting in the Johnson hearings is the VERY LAST person to testify was a nurse who had volunteered to go to NYC at the beginning. Roughly quoting: I didn't see people dying of covid I saw them dying of lack of treatment.
My sister's husband hovered near death after his second shot but amazingly he did receive a massive amt of treatment, particularly huge levels of steroids, in part because his brother was a doctor who "consulted" daily on the situation.
After watching the hearings, I wondered, "is my brother-in-law still here because he wasn't a covid patient, but an early-on "vaxx" injury?" It is a weird thought. However, he now has a chronic anemia that has destroyed his health and shortened his life expectancy.
I'm sorry to hear about your brother-in-law. I wish him all the best!
I am so sorry for your loss. I wish the vaccines and all other treatments were 100% effective but sadly nothing is. COVID sucks
People have not just a right but a duty to critique and demand proof of any drug they're asked to take. It's called informed consent. That's especially true when the "experts" have been repeatedly proven to be corrupt, malicious liars.
Amen!
I agree with you. But the problem I see for me is that there is now so much cynicism, skepticism and possible unfounded fear and hatred of authority that people may be making wrong decisions based in emotions as a result of this new social/political climate we are all in.
At the moment, fear and hatred of authority is not unfounded. It arises from a pattern of lies and malfeasance that is extensively documented and continues daily. As long as "experts" continue to spew lies, which can be disproven by empirically measurable facts, and that harm nearly the entire population, that skepticism is not only justified but essential. The "experts" have caused this situation to occur. They are entirely at fault.
I'm sorry, "unfounded fear and hatred of authority"? These people have lied to the American people and the world and have been trying to divert and cover up the origins of this virus. We have every reason to not believe any words that are coming out of their mouths as every day it's something new which was different than just the day before. They have withheld early treatments, they have manipulated data, they have instilled fear in people unnecessarily. And it's not just the so-called health experts, it's also pharmaceutical companies like Pfizer that have done faulty trials, selective trials, and also manipulated trial data so they can sell more shots.
It is unfortunate that they have caused this, the so-called health experts and authorities because if something really does come down the pike with a much higher mortality rate they're going to have a hard time selling it because they have destroyed their own reputations and they have to destroyed the confidence that we as taxpayers should have in them to do what's best for the public at large not their greedy selves.
It’s not unfounded, these “authority” figures you speak of have earned my mistrust by lying to me over and over.
I don’t know whether you indulged in a jab. Not my business. I think, however, that those who did indulge, did so out of fear and that is a decision based in emotions. Also, at this point, I begin to think that you are just out for a troll.
Congratulations! You win the troll award for this this article! I will concede your point, however: in an ideal world, lay people should not try to make medical decisions. Unfortunately, we do not live in an ideal world. In fact, we live in an extraordinarily corrupt one. Although the problems existed well before, the past two years have proven if nothing else that Big Pharma has taken over entire branches of government (medical regulation and research) as well as related influence in other areas of government. This is fairly easily proven "by inspection" as they said in mathematics. These experts, that I suppose you would say we should trust, have proven themselves on multiple occasions to be completely unworthy of any trust. It is clear that public health and safety are not their top priorities. You ignore that fact at your own peril -- and those of your loved ones too, perhaps.
Oh yeah? Say that to the swathes of obese and immune-compromised folks who are still dying while vaxxed and boosted.
If you're going to make a claim like that on this site, you better have a link to data to back you up, not just media establishment talking points.
"People should not be making medical or scientific comments if they are not medically trained in this specific area of expertise."
Oh, really?! Please explain in detail your medical training and "specific area of expertise".
I don’t have any training. That’s is why I try to be very careful with my comments. I know my opinions mean nothing. All I am saying is COVID is not a cold. That is common knowledge that we all have at this point in time.
Actually about a 1/3 of colds are caused by corona viruses and it is believed that those infections may provide some low level of protection
Actually your comments aren’t so very careful. You stated assertively that the jabs reduce severe illness and death without any data backup. And now, you assert that COVID is not a cold without defining a cold. You also assert that this is common knowledge. Common among whom? Thank you
This is absolutely a cold in children. And mRNA is experimental
Even those in the medical field have problems understanding what's going on. This is a complex situation that requires interdisciplinary field to resolve not just medical professionals.
https://victorazodoh.substack.com/?r=x62bw&utm_campaign=pub&utm_medium=web&utm_source=direct
The available data from "good data" countries (UK, Denmark) do not support this claim about muh severe disease.
In UK, the two-dose people are now having worse COVID outcomes (hospitalization, death) than the dirty dirty unvaccinated. This signal is hidden behind the tricks the UKHSA is playing with mixing boostered people into the sample, and then totally removing the two-dose people.
- https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/unboostered-brits-infected-and-dying
- https://noline.substack.com/p/ukhsa-week-2022-03
These claims about the efficacy against bad outcomes are largely driven by US data which is everyone knows is (deliberately) garbage. Do yourself a favour and set aside 6 hours to watch the Ron Johnson senate hearing. It'll open your eyes like nothing else: https://rumble.com/vt62y6-covid-19-a-second-opinion.html.
At what cost does it protect against severe disease? It gives you a temporary relief that makes you worse off when the effect wanes. Is that protection? That is delaying the evil day that ends up to be devastating when it finally arrives.
https://victorazodoh.substack.com/?r=x62bw&utm_campaign=pub&utm_medium=web&utm_source=direct
PS
LinkedIn responded to me today having suspended my account for violation of their policies 2 months ago. This is the mail and my response
https://victorazodoh.substack.com/p/62c30e66-a9d4-440a-961e-a50b6e6a7abf
And there was ear;y treatment known from the beginning.
Yes there was! And actually a lot of that early treatment, some of which were pennies for doses, did show to be 100% effective if administered early enough and in the correct dosing. But the trained experts withheld all that and then took it a step further and demonized and degraded and tried to censor those that knew this worked. The sad thing is is that the so-called experts in this actually weren't treating patients but were rather lifelong bureaucrats and none of their policies have helped public health.
Measles is also a very stable virus—if it mutates, it loses its ability to infect. So, unlike SARS-CoV2, it doesn’t mutate much at all, thus it is a prime target for an effective vaccine.
measles also exists only in humans, so no chance for interspecies spread and mutation
Why couldn't it mutate in the human population?
This is explained well here: https://www.juliusruechel.com/2021/09/the-snake-oil-salesmen-and-covid-zero.html
GVB had it right from the jump. Once he explained everything on DarkHorse it seemed pretty straight forward actually. No conspiracy theory or "anti-vaxx" bs, pretty basic, 101 or 201-level biology. So I'll say it with you, "you never mass vaccinate into a pandemic". Now here we are.
Imagine if those in charge would have listened to this advice and spent all our resources on treatments and therapeutics. They have real blood on their hands and lots of it.
No.
We didn't reduce measles or polio or smallpox etc.
We renamed them.
With those diseases doctors were the gatekeepers to a diagnosis - you needed their approval to get a test for them.
With covid you can just walk off the street and get tested - doctor approval not required.
As the vaxed are more scared of the virus than the unvaxed they get tested more so with covid it's *clear* the vaccine is useless whereas with measles etc the data makes it appear as though the vaccines work.
All vaccines are worthless though. Immunity to disease isn't even possible.
Well, the mutating variants may be getting a bit of help from various labs. There is evidence that the Omicron variant came from experimentation in a South African lab. They just don't learn.
I was listening to Gert speak and when he was speaking about what you mentioned in your comment he said you can’t have people exposed to the virus within 3 (or maybe 6, I can’t remember exactly) weeks after being vaccinated. They would need to get the vaccine and then completely quarantine until the body reacts and makes the antibodies. Do you know why this is?
To my understanding, since they're not neutralizing vaccines the individuals would not have developed enough antibodies to stop viral replication yet (this is of course, if the vaccines could stop replication at all). Because of this, if vaccinated individuals are exposed during that period, they'll still be shedding lots of virus which would be concentrated towards the spike protein-resistant mutants since these would be more adept at replication in vaccinated individuals. Basically, vaccinated individuals become sort of a filter for spike protein-resistant mutations of the virus. Unvaccinated people shed plenty of virus of course too but in their case, it's not concentrated towards any particular mutation.
yep, boils down to time lag between being exposed and time it takes to develop protective immune response
Slight correction. Measles is not eradicated.
measles isn't eradicated
A million times, YES!!
From what I read about measles there was almost 95% immunity and women could give the immunity to their babies through breastfeeding but vaccine induced immunity doesn't work that way.
The first “gain of function” you need is increased speed of mutations…
I get into the measles, polio, smallpox comparison they like to throw around here:
https://pebbleinthepond.substack.com/p/herd-immunity-and-sars-cov-2
https://pebbleinthepond.substack.com/p/herd-immunity-and-sars-cov-2-7c7
I know you mean well, but any discussion of a computer generated genome virus is not only moot, but hopelessly validates the 'Virology' germ theory/contagion scam. The rabbit hole is deeper than you already suspect...........$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
"Every system is perfectly designed to get the results it gets."
Exactly, Event 201, Dark Winter, J6 and 911 etc.
Sadly this is like the seventh time it's "been over", but it never stops because it's not about a virus.
Israel was overrun by Pfizer, not the virus.
Israel is a Jab Cult. Total insanity.
tru dat. however, how much choice do people in Israel actually have, any freedom much? (asking for a friend)
Well put
True
They have an election to meddle with....they will keep it up long enough to keep the mail in voting alive. Then...after they win, they might think of loosening up.
Exactly! Once the mail-in rules are established, they can declare (and later manufacture) victory.
I don't think any cheating can help them hold onto Congress. That is going to be a Commie Dem blood bath. The Senate is another matter.
You underestimate the level of their depravity
No I agree. Congress is not State wide so I think the Commie Dems are in big trouble there regardless of the cheating.
100% right!
I'm doubtful but so hope you are correct. And we all need to get off the damn sofa and become poll watchers, poll workERS And precinct committeeman. Bannon is correct...change needs to start at the grassroots.
Yes I agree 110%. Have to address Commie Dem (and RINO) voter fraud. I still stand by my statement regarding Congress. The Commie Dems are in big trouble there. There aren't many Commie Dem seats up in the Senate. Also state wide races where Commie Dem Urban Hell Holes can pump Voter fraud to the max. See the GA Senate and Gov races.
They can really really cheat with the mail in voting plus the people who work at the poll booths are in their camp
not all those working at the polling booths are crooked or biased and cheating doesn't happen just anywhere. however, election integrity is a big issue and victories may seem small, but they add up, check out Sidney Powell's Newsletter Good News Friday: 03/18/2022 - https://defendingtherepublic.org/newsletter/
There is a bigger picture!
Totally! $$$ + Control!
SimmulationCommander you are right. Look also at the plane flights of illegals into this country! March AFB-drop off to….., Moreno Valley, San Bernardino, Coachella Valley.
Exactly
Hate never dies...
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Did you hear what that Canadian trucker said las night on Tucker? He said his phone had already checked in at the checkpoint without him having to do anything. He didn't know that "feature" was there. Also, that Trudeau had lobbied with the Biden admin to enable that here in the US.
Yeah that was scary! I think that same trucker comes back on tonight!
Fleur I believe so. Resist !
Keep us posted, Fleur!
This wasn't science.
By the way, a Vitamin D and Ivermectin regimen cleared up my entire household's bout of COVID in 3 days.
Hey waitaminute. Are you saying there's an early treatment protocol for COVID19?
No. There is no medical protocol. Its a common sense protocol supported by data.
There are protocols, and there have been for a long long time.
Try covid19criticalcare.com. Protocols for treatment at all stages. Paul Marek, one of the authors, is considered the world's #2 intensive care medical specialist, I believe.
I was being sarcastic, of course there are, but you would never know it from the tsunami of "go vaccine, nothing else works" from the medical establishment and Media. I have done for my family in spite of them.
Yes. Dr Peter McCullough developed two protocols. Check out his website.
😂
Same here.. 24-36 hours in mine. Withholding early treatment is criminal.
Remember when Fake Dr. Fauci told Actress Jennifer Garner that he took vitamin D and did not mind if she did. No emphasis on D3 for 2 years. Now D3 will get attention as vaccines fail. Dr. Fauci may be found guilty of MASS murder for NOT promoting treatment for the Global Pandemic of Vitamin D Deficiency that fueled the COVID Pandemic!
I noticed in my local Sam's Club last week that they're stocking a LOT more Vit D3 than they did a year ago, so clearly the demand is there, despite the non-efforts of our public 'health' administrators. Keep getting the word out!
nah, he's pondering retirement -
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/03/walls-closing-fauci-says-finally-considering-retirement-calls-accountability-handling-covid-pandemic-ramp/
Mine as well - about 2 days for me and 4 for my son. I don't know if it's a miracle drug or I'm just in very good shape, but I would certainly take it if I got it again. Exercise and eat right, people. I don't know why that message wasn't put out from the start.
Unfortunately I struggled for 10 days. Not in a horrendous way. Still busied about the day but couldn't completely shake it. But the family member who is double jabbed - and gave it to me - fared no better. Truthfully I think their viral load was a problem for me. Another family member jabbed with J&J came down with Covid a couple of months ago and I breezed by it.
If you go near the lab-rat cages at night and listen silently, this is what they're whispering about.
Same here... Took ivermectin and other vitamins and we're done.
Any substitute for ivermectin?
Yes. HCQ, fluvoxamine and other SSRIs (treatment, not prophylaxis), and a load of OTC dietary supplements. Also nitazoxanide, another anti-parasitic.
Try covid19criticalcare.com for knowledgeable guidance.
Careful with fluvoxamine. It’s an antidepressant.
Thanks. I don't have access to any prescription meds.
I would follow the IMask+Protocol which calls for Quercetin and Zinc when you have no access to Ivermectin. Both are over the counter.
https://www.reliablerxpharmacy.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=ivermectin
The pharmacy is based in India. You do not need a prescription (true in most countries as Iver is extremely safe) but they don't take credit cards, you need to do an electronic check/bank transfer.
Wise.com is a very cheap and reliable website for doing the bank transfer. I've used them many times without problem.
Also check: www.alldaychemist.com
Also in India and very reliable. I’ve been buying meds from them long before COVID.
Go to https://myfreedoctor.com/ They can help you out, but you need to get on early in the morning.
OrtoMune, Black Cumin Seed, Manuka Honey, Xlear Nasal spray, Asprin, Vit C and D....
I also use Xlear nasal spray to which I’ve added several drops of Povidone iodine.
easy, cheap and quite tasty: DIY hydroxychloroquine -
https://covid-unmasked.net/home-recipe-for-hydroxychloroquine-hcq-quinine/
GB
Sometimes you need to repeat yourself until the world is ready to hear it .
Keep repeating this Alex.
The world is almost ready
I think some deniers/naysayers but certainly the fence-sitters are starting to question the vaccines. A third, fourth 'booster' is a raising questions among these groups. Specifically, I hear more people saying, "How long is this supposed to go on? How many boosters are we supposed to get?"
So, YES
KEEP REPEATING THIS, ALEX.
Doesn't marketing say one must repeat at least 7X the name before a person remembers it? Same here..no more shots etc. We must along with Alex be a squeaky wheel & source of info for those just waking up.
If Lenin said "A lie told often enough becomes the truth," I would think truth needs to be told often enough to dispel the lies.
Well, yeah, especially since so many people have had covid illness already.
"How long is this supposed to go on? How many boosters are we supposed to get?" According to the data, about every 4 months. Even that is no guarantee of no serious health event.
A doctor told me he’ll get as many boosters as necessary even if monthly cause science.
I do hope this isn't your PCP.
If so, perhaps it's time to find another doctor.
Worse. Family. I defy all of his suggestions happily. It makes him mad that a meager other science person calls out the BS of recommendations in this country. I’m feisty.
Yes, they hate to be challenged. I too had the same "how dare you" from my former doc. She even said you can't believe all that you read on the internet or in scientific publications; then, I said well how about wedmd which is where you told me to get info which I then showed her. Silence. Oops busted!
You sure are.
But patience, friend. Wait for the day you can smile and say, "I told you so."
once people will be asked to pay for it every time they or their children have to receive a shot, they might start thinking a bit. maybe, just maybe an uprising (of sorts) will happen, but through many tiny steps instead of with a big bang. GB
ready to what, wait on their knees for the real executioners to show up, and hold the gun barrel to their heads to make sure the shot doesn't miss?!
Sheesh, two years of passivity and complicity, and for what, evil to dance on o