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Thought you promised to give us a break from this stuff.

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This has nothing to do with US politics

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This is important that people understand the truth! And what we go through everyday.

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What is the truth? Its definition is quite simple but to verify if the truth is really true is often complicated. A response to a second part of your statement would be too complex for this exchange.

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I am looking to be informed on any topic that our government is emptying the bank to push provided its not something we read everyday. Much new for me in this post.

I for one would love to see Alex dive into the science supporting /refuting climate change.

I've read Unsettled by Steven Steven Koonin who was quickly added to the list of science deniers. I found that book compelling and we are undoubtedly being mislead. That said, I have yet to find compelling support for the climate "science" that the main stream media and our government pushes and think Alex could add some light on this topic.

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Do you suggest that 9/11 then, and Israel/Hamas now have nothing to do with US politics???

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Correct. It has everything to do with US interference. Unfortunately. In the mean time, people are dying in their sleep, in droves.

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"nothing to do" but "has everything to do with US interference."

Oxymoron, that's all.

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How much the Muslims hate Israel is kind of secondary.

The fighting is never going to stop so long as both sides in the conflict are getting money.

Joe Biden (or is it his puppeteers?) deludes himself into thinking he's some kind of expert on foreign policy. I cannot understand his rationalization for giving "aid" to Hamas, and $billions to Hamas's sponsor Iran. When asked how the US would ensure the aid wouldn't be weaponized, his administration's answer was essentially, if Hamas did that, the US would write them a strongly worded letter.

The over 100 km of tunnels in Gaza wasn't done by a small cadre of militants with picks and shovels. It must have cost at least tens of $millions, maybe hundreds of $millions for the concrete, machinery, ventilation equipment, electrical equipment, generators, etc.

If Trump is the Republican nominee, and I expect he will be, I'll vote for him. That, said, I have cooled in my enthusiasm for Trump for reasons that can wait for another time. But there's no denying, he didn't throw money around the way Biden and Obama did, and things were much more peaceful in the mid-east while he was president.

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I too will vote for Trump. His 4 years in office are all the proof I need. We were prosperous and we were not involved in any conflicts. His Administration killed Baghadadi in 2019 and Soleimani in January 2020. Not much more can be added on that subject. His accomplishments of the Abraham Acords should have given him a Nobel Peace Prize if we lived in a just world. Add to that energy independence and a secured border etc. The Democrats are pulling out all they have ( a la banana republic style) to keep him from running. God forbid we ever dare to put America First again.

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Adding a little tin-hat thinking to my post above, it should never be assumed our Deep State government has any desire for the violence to stop. The instability and disruption caused by Covid worked in their favor. Conflict in the mid-east is another arrow in their quiver to keep us divided and off-balance.

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What's wrong with this stuff? It is front and center in the world right now. Very appropriate to discuss. You can only beat the Covid horse so long.

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There continue to be new truths on the Covid front all the time. I’d like to be sure we don’t sweep it under the carpet if there’s still lessons to learn.

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I don't disagree. It doesn't mean that we can't talk about other things though. Not having it in the forefront for a week or two won't mean the end. Right?

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Is this not perhaps one of THE most important issues of this time?

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It is, which is why I don’t need to keep reading emails from Alex about it. He’s knowledgeable about certain things. This isn’t one of them.

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Ok, fair enough. He is giving it a try. We can, gently, remind him of what's what though? I appreciate the conversation starter as most forms of media are slanted in one direction and censor this type of conversation. Thoughts?

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I did not know the polling presented in Alex's article. Pretty illuminating in my view.

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Refute any portion of it then.

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The Muslims who hate Israel hate the West. Ask the Mullahs in Iran. Don’t be fooled by the the relative calm since 9/11. If, God forbid, the Iranians and their proxies were to defeat Israel, there would be a Holocaust. However, they wouldn’t stop there. Europe and America would be their next targets. I have no doubt that the Muslim world would be more emboldened and threatened. Pray that Israel holds the line.

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Hamas hates the West which is why they and other barbaric groups have been weaponized by the woke crowd to attack not only Israel but every foundation of civilization. This is not a war against Israel alone nor is it confined to a battlefield. It is a war against the modern world. Israel can defend itself, but I am not sure about America and Europe. They seem willing to submit to their woke overlords.

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Well Americans are kinda split on that. May be that there’ll be some upheaval here in the not too distant future. If it requires America to fight the forces of the mainstay Muslim world it might cause some middle of the road types to pick a lane. Either way the whole bloody world seems poised for war.

I feel sorry for the children everywhere. What have we done?

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Nov 18, 2023·edited Nov 20, 2023

You are correct Maureen. America is split on it. That's not organic. It's promoted by foreign powers, plus some domestic moneyed interests.

The Chinese Communists are clearly at the top of the list. They spread money all over US society - universities, corporations, politicians like the Biden crime family - to undermine us. They do it through various vehicles like the Confucius institute..

Wealthy Americans and some wealthy foreigners are also part of it. I don't know what's in their hearts. Their motives probably vary. Some may truly think they're making society better by promoting such ideas as CRT in schools, defunding police, letting the mentally ill sleep on the streets, and males competing in girls' sports. Others do it to stay in the good graces of the government. A variation on staying good with the government is campaign donations to politicians. A digression- I'm helping a candidate primary a Republican state house representative, which led me to research the amount of $$$ sloshing around in TX state politics. It's staggering.

My point is, yes, we're divided, and maybe that would happen to some extent by itself. My opinion- it's exaggerated by those trying to manipulate us.

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Amazing how much the American public, especially the youth are being manipulated. The Democrats are tearing themselves apart right now in their support of Hamas (I mean the Palestinians). I know this from speaking to my college age kids, one of which was protesting this weekend. They laugh when I say the Communists have never stopped their long march; they think I’m talking about the Soviet Union and 1950’s. It’s real and funded primarily by China using Tik Tok, etc. to spread the unrest while spreading money all over Washington and the state governments. Don’t think for a minute that they’re not exploiting the senile old man and his idiot family members who took millions through their 20 shell companies. How many others are they doing this too? Democrat and Republican?

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I think you’re absolutely correct. The Marxist machine is fully subsidized by forces from all over the world.

Funny how there’s only scrutiny when it appears a Republican might be given perks. Nobody flinched when the Biden team acknowledged that he paid Tara Reid from a taxpayer funded slush

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Marxist propaganda definitely plays a role, but our own government and its laws have become the enemy of freedom. The Civil Rights Act has become a cancer eating away at our culture by discouraging meritocracy, disrupting family structure, justifying speech restrictions (censorship), and encouraging people to think of themselves as members of victim groups instead of as an American. "Civil rights" laws have been weaponized against us and used to encourage every woke monstrosity from DEI to the sexualization of children. Even the fake "amnesty laws" are behind the invasion at our Southern border. We can blame a certain amount of the chaos on the Chinese and traitors like Biden, but until our laws are changed we can expect things to grow worse. The only possible solution I see is a political revolution that elects legislators and a President to wipe away the the worst of this legislation and abolish most of the federal bureaucracy. Then return power to the states where it belongs.

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Instead of Hamas you could have stated Putin and russia hates the West:

https://t.me/skyoverukraine/5321

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The West clearly hates him. However, his senior partner Xi Jingping received a standing ovation in San Francisco.

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Interesting. This is almost the verbatim reason I was given when told I have to support the Ukraine.

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Needless to say, the conflict between Israel and Hamas and the conflict between Russia and Ukraine are very different situations. For example, the Russian constitution does not call for the elimination of Ukraine and the murder of all Ukrainians.

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Yup. Something like 85% of the inhabitants of Crimea identify as Russian. The Russians had a deal that Ukraine would not join NATO and the Russians haven’t made overtures about annihilating every last Ukrainian. It might have been averted with a meaningful attempt at diplomacy though it’s not clear if anyone tried that.

Hamas and Israel have been at odds for decades. That fight goes back about 3 millennia and while the past is past it remains relevant to how the Arabs view it.

It would take divine intervention to end this conflict. If the Israelis can defeat Hamas they will have to then defeat Hezbollah. Then who knows...Iran? I don’t think many Israelis want to see the slaughter that will take but we’ll see if they have a choice.

I think AB has some rational and informed ideas here. I am glad to hear he’s maybe done drinking the DNC’s koolaid. Let’s hope others have awakened too.

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Putin may consider Ukraine as part of Russia, but that’s because he considers Ukrainians and Russians to be essentially one people. He has not seeking to exterminate the Ukrainian people. In contrast, Hamas seeks to annihilate Israel.

As far as Putin’s invasion of Ukraine, NATO was central to it. The war could have been avoided or resolved if NATO membership was off the table. See https://www.npr.org/2022/01/29/1076193616/ukraine-russia-nato-explainer. This is NPR, by no stretch of imagination could NPR be considered Putin apologists. Regarding Crimea, Ukraine was dithering on Russia’s continued access to it Black Sea port.

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Maybe constitution "does not call", instead Putin called exactly for destruction of Ukraine it's culture, society and heritage. He wants Ukrainians to be erased from memory.

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I don’t think so. He repeatedly indicated that NATO membership was a redline. If NATO membership was off the table, would Putin have invaded? Would our government accept a Canadian military alliance with Russia?

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You are changing the subject. Russian constitution does NOT call for destruction of Ukrainian society and culture. Putin went into action and clearly stated that destruction of Ukraine as such was the objective and ultimate goal. NATO has very little to do with this episode. Just as a convenient excuse which was swallowed by some naïve circles in the West Putin went into action in 2014 by performing Crimea anschluss. NATO has NOT been mentioned as possible cause at that time. He continued on the same path as his mentor Hitler did by forming various "peoples republics" on Ukrainian territory - or Sudeten Lands, allegedly to protect German, pardon me, Russian minority in these territories. No mentions of NATO then. How come? Finally he launches full scale invasion of Poland, pardon me, Ukraine in 1939, pardon me in 2022. That's the first time "NATO excuse" has been used.

Ukrainians are fiercely defending their freedom as they are fully aware if they lose, all of Ukraine shall become a huge Katyn forest. Or, perhaps another episode of Holodomor. There was no NATO at those times...

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If people equate Putin with Hitler and the US keeps pouring tens of billions of dollars into Ukraine, the war will continue until every Ukrainian city is rubble. Trump's claim he could end this war in a day is his typical exsggeration but that doesn't mean peace can't be achieved. Ukraine may lose some territory but unlike Hamas, Putin is likely to settle for half a loaf if he can get out and declare victory. There is little reason for us to defend the sanctity of Ukraine's borders when we don't do anything to defend our own.

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Putin would not have invaded and would have reached an agreement to pull out of Ukraine in April 2022 if Ukraine agreed not to join NATO. Boris Johnson on behalf of Biden went to Ukraine to kill the deal.

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Dark, there is a huge difference here. Our politicians NEED us to send money to Ukraine. This is where our tax dollars get redistributed back to our politicians in the form of crypto and other assets. The more we give, the more they get. Israel IS biblical, bro. There may be some money being made, but it is a spiritual battle that we are fighting. I can understand if you don't agree, but if you spend some time looking into this, and open your eyes (not trying to be rude), you'll see that there is no comparison.

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Save yourself some agonizing. Watch this. Just like covid. Follow the money.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_ojjTGJz7w

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Follow the money. Watch this and save yourself some agonizing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_ojjTGJz7w

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Hey... while some of us highly evolved educated Western "thinkers" toy with this "Israel is in occupied territory and should give it back!" idea... just take a look at the map of the Mideast and zoom out until you can capture all the Arab/Muslim-dominated territory and then see if you can spot that geographic territory claimed as Israel.

What, are Arab/Muslims that effing land greedy? From my perspective there is minimal evidence that they utilize all but a small bit of that land for productive use.

Jews occupied much of that land historically. In fact, the Arab/Muslim flood did not happen until later and it always happened from bloody conquest.

Regardless, I think a requirement for every antisemite claiming that they are only anti-Zionist is to vacate the land they live on first... as all land has changed tribal hands... and mostly from bloody conflict.

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Nov 18, 2023·edited Nov 18, 2023

"What, are Arab/Muslims that effing land greedy?"

"Greedy"would be kind. There are already some 22 Arab countries and the whole crux of the issue, regardless of what you hear, is that the Arabs/Muslims will never except even microscopic Jewish sovereignty in the midst of Dar al Islam. Had this been about a Palestinian State, they would have created one when they controlled, for 19 years between 1948-1967, ALL of the West Bank, ALL of Gaza, and eastern Jerusalem. They could have had a State in everything they're demanding now, including their Capital in East Jerusalem. Israel could have done nothing.

Never gonna happen now.

One day enough people will understand that this has never been about land.

Or not.

BTW, the fact that there are 22 Arab countries goes to show who really are the occupiers here. Arabs left Arabia in the 7th century (after Jews had already been in the Holy Land for well more than a thousand years), streaming out to conquer and subjugate in the name of Islam.

Every Arab country not on the Arabian Peninsula is occupied, with their indigenous Peoples slaughtered, and lucky if only subjugated. Where are the Berbers, or the Copts, to just name two.

It's the height of hypocrisy for Arabs to call Jews "occupiers".

Jews, who have thousands of years of history in the land and who have prayed daily to return for two thousand years, as opposed to any of the Arab countries in North Africa or the Levant, where they had zero history or connection before sweeping in to conquer and destroy....and occupy.

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Not to mention the Kurds. They were generally Christians when Muslims went on their first holy quest to force everyone to renounce their faiths and accept Islam or die. There was a lot of dying. Then conversions.

Some Kurds tried to return to Christianity but that got subverted by ISIS. They were back to dying.

The Islamic teachings require that the whole freaking world be subdued for Allah. Only time will tell how that works out.

I certainly hope that never comes to fruition.

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What would most of the landlords in Manhattan “ claim” when the Lenni Lenape Indians wander back to Manhattan after just a few hundred years and “ claim” that The Great Father in the Sky gave the land to them?

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Nov 18, 2023·edited Nov 19, 2023

Palestinians have had multiple opportunities to create a State. The Jews worked their asses off for decades to prepare the groundwork for an eventual State.....how have the Palestinians done anything other than their "leaders" getting filthy rich stealing the billions the world has given them. There has never in history been a Palestinian Nation. Had whites shown up in N America, yet never actually create a Nation, maybe the tribes already here might have a shot.....but it's a terrible analogy. There has never been a moment in history when Jews weren't living in the Holy Land. Can the arriving Europeans say the same? Did the Europeans have a history on the land going back thousands of years, with two sovereign commonwealth's there, like the Jews did in Judea and Samaria ..the only ones ever to be sovereign in that land, as opposed to the Ottomans, Greeks, Romans, Babylonians, etc. who only ever had satellite colonies there.

Funny how the Arabs controlled all that they demand now, for 19 years from '48-'67, including eastern Jerusalem for their Capital had they wanted, yet the idea of creating a Palestinian State....never came up.

Hmmmm

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Touche

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I am of the view that Hamas' recent action has pretty much sealed the fate of the Palestinian people in that part of the world. As usual, the people end up paying the price in the end.

Like them or hate them, the Israelis usually do what they say that they are going to do and they have been crystal clear in this case. Also note ..... history tends to repeat itself.

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Nov 18, 2023·edited Nov 18, 2023

"I am of the view that Hamas' recent action has pretty much sealed the fate of the Palestinian people in that part of the world. As usual, the people end up paying the price in the end."

Except for the fact that the latest polling from a respected Palestinian research/polling organization, from this week, shows that Arabs in both Gaza AND the west bank, by a very large percentage, are supportive of the slaughter by Hamas on Oct.7. The same poll shows west bank Arabs, again by a large majority, prefer Hamas to the Palestinian Authority. That is NOT because they think Hamas is less corrupt, or that they can run the business of government better, as they know that neither are true. It's solely because they know and appreciate that Hamas has proven more adept at, and more willing to killing Jews.

So much for "innocent Palestinians"

https://www.awrad.org/files/server/polls/polls2023/Public%20Opinion%20Poll%20-%20Gaza%20War%202023%20-%20Tables%20of%20Results.pdf

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Nov 17, 2023·edited Nov 18, 2023

One must always look beneath the surface and ask. Who is benefitting from all of this, and what is being allowed to happen as the average person is glued to this 24-7 situation in a very very tiny part of the world as a new shiny object? What is going on behind the scene and under the table. Just sayin

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and your view is?

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Nov 20, 2023·edited Nov 20, 2023

Who knows for sure, but an awful LOT of $$$ is being asked for again, and someone has to fund the re-build of all the destruction going on each time areas are destroyed. Eisenhower in 61 warned of the propensity of the MIComplex perpetuating a rinse and repeat cycle.

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My question is the US continually sending money to everyone? Why aren’t we using this money here? Is it too difficult for politicians to siphon off the money?

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Nov 20, 2023·edited Nov 20, 2023

That was my point in essence above. Money always flow elsewhere and who is in fact taking it and how is it truly used. TAXPAYER $$$

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What about the Madrid train bombings in 2004?

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Even Ft Hood. Maybe I'm missing something, but I just can't recall wild, crazy Jews running around shooting people like I've seen Muslims. Since I was a child and the news of the brutality at the Munich Olympics and the Achille Lauro just to name two has always been forefront in my mind.

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Most if not all of the terror attacks around the world have been committed by Muslims. Now Hamas is likely coming through the Southern border. Things that make you go hmmm.

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You've got to love our leaders!!

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Pretty much, with very few exceptions, the only people around the globe who are doing the slicing and dicing are Muslims. Maybe tough to hear for some, but truth can be hard.

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Just don't ask Hindu Gujaratis about their opinion of Muslims.

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What about the Nice truck slaughter?

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I am curious: do liberal Jewish people hate Elon Musk more than Hamas?

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Sadly most Jewish Americans don't recognize the round-about they entered has the same exit as the "intersectionality" cul-de-sac they keep circling in

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Nov 17, 2023·edited Nov 17, 2023

Liberal Jews who are surprised at the liberal hatred currently directed against them remind me of mRNA vaccine fanatics who are surprised that people want to hold them responsible for their Covid disaster. "How could we have known what would happen" they say? We are good people and did what we were supposed to do. Likewise too many Jews have been fanatics about woke culture perhaps because they thought anything that weakened society made them safer. Sympathy runs short for those who cheered their own executioners. Forgiveness depends on their acknowledging a mistake and changing course.

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The jews who truly remember the holocaust no longer congregate in synagogues listening to babbling Rabbis talk on about getting along. It was the Rabbis who told everyone that the holocaust would not happen, that everyone should just wait and see. The Same Rabbis ensured everyone was shamed into getting vaccinated even if it killed many of them. I am sick of the Liberal, go- along Jews who think maybe people will truly like them if they continue to go along. We, the non liberal Jews are gun toting, American flag flying, non vaccinated, and we understand that Israel has to do what it has to do. Being in Israel, and I have been, is like being in the most wonderful place you could imagine as a Jew, except you have the KKK on every border. I think this is a perspective people need to hear. There are many non liberal Jews. We just don't work in Hollywood and aren't on Twitter. And one more thing: We are truly ready to back up the phrase " Never Again"!

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That is great news indeed about non-liberal Jews. I also belong to one of the left's victim groups (gay) and I am ashamed of the bovine behavior of the woke gay crowd. Gays were also ardent embracers of the Covid nonsense as well as every woke cause that came along. Those who hope to protect themselves by weakening others often find themselves alone and defenseless.

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My husband is a redneck Jew. His late father was a staunch conservative and 2Aer. We still know some other Republican Jews too. Admittedly, there aren’t many, but never write off every one in any subgroup as being all in on what the more vocal members screech.

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Well said. I dedicate one of my songs to you Julie.

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Well said. Thank You.

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Julie, I’d like to have the good fortune to meet you .

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They need to read their own history imo.

Or They could get pissed.

"He who is not angry when there is just cause for anger is immoral. Why? Because anger looks to the good of justice. And if you can live amid injustice without anger, you are immoral as well as unjust.”

- Thomas Aquinas

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Smart guy.

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Your last sentence resonates with me .

And how about “ Maybe throw in a dash of repentance “ .

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Nov 17, 2023·edited Nov 17, 2023

Well said Ryan. The Irony of so many Jewish Americans is perplexing, and I have many very good Jewish friends

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likewise. my wife is "Jewish".....she does not get it.

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You must have some interesting conversations.

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Yeah for sure.

She's on the same page with us. But not the in-laws.

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I am curious; why do Jewish people vote democratic?

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They think the dems are the party for the underdogs. Jews consider themselves underdogs (yes) but ignorantly believe the democrat party cares about them.

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Or ever drive German cars.

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This stuff is so simple. The Koran explains it easily. You should read it, it’s only about 90 pages long.

1 - Muslims are tasked, by their god Allah, with conquering the whole non-Muslim world for him.

2 - The Israel/Palestinian conflict is very useful to the intentions of those plotting the Muslim conquest of the world, by Muslims for Allah, as Allah commands in the Koran.

3 - The never ending saga of the Israelie/Palestinian conflict is meant to misdirect the world’s attention from the true intent of Muslim activity around the world.

4 - This ‘activity’ is the inflowing of Muslims into non-Muslim nations. Surely you remember the recent mass immigration of middle eastern Muslims into Central Europe?

5 - These immigrants are meant to worm their way into non-Muslim cultures, and into their governments in particular, and to slowly change the nature of these nation to a Muslim outlook on life, in fact, change them completely into Muslim societies, Muslim run governments.

6 - The nations of Western Europe and North America, unfortunately, are populated by people of Judeo-Christian background, which makes them astoundingly big-hearted and brainless. They accept these hundreds of thousands of devious Muslim termites without a qualm. Bad, bad idea.

7 - So while the world is watching the fireworks in and around the Middle East, the evil empire of Islam is digging into their new host nations, plotting and working hard to destroy them, not with military might, but by changing public opinion in favor of Islam, and eventually changing these nations from freedom-loving nations (well, used to be anyway) to a religious dictatorship of Islam.

8 - And that’s just what the cult of murder and destruction called Islam, is all about.

9 - But don’t take my word for it, take allah’s word for it, read the vile Koran.

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Nailed it

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Ditto.

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Nov 17, 2023·edited Nov 17, 2023

Very thoughtful analysis and helpful collection of facts. I certainly appreciate your recognition regarding the unnecessary Mideast wars. I would add to your summation that all of these wars have caused far more ire from the Middle East than may otherwise have occurred.

The question of Israel's next steps is the harder one. The history is complex and beyond the scope of a comment. But I'll repeat something I heard from Tom Woods that resonates on longterm strategy. There are 9 million or so Israelis. There are..200+ million Arabs all in close proximity? We can preach and pontificate all we want about the justice of this or that act, but in the end, Israel should probably focus on improving relations with its neighbors.

They can't realistically undo the UN declarations of the past and the Muslim world has to accept the existence of the nation at least within reasonable borders (including longer standing settlements); but if I were them, I'd be working on finding a solution that is far less belligerent than Netanyahu's arrogant and audacious strategy of funding and supporting Hamas, and then using opportunities that Hamas' violence creates to turn the remaining Palestinians into refugees in other countries.

Someone in their hierarchy even had the audacity to suggest that rich Western nations should take on Palestinian refugees. I support the right of Israel's self-defense but such commentary is not going to endear them to the average American!

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From a secular perspective, you aren't wrong. I can guarantee you that there will be no way the Israelis will give back any land at this point. Every time they've tried for peace, they have been rebuffed. If the muslims try to take it back or the west tries to force them to give it back, you will see a war that you've never even imagined. We are heading there, quickly.

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Where does Israel get their petroleum?

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"In 2015, as the Islamic State reached the peak of its power and controlled vast swaths of Syria and Iran . . ."

It was Iraq, not Iran, such as the City of Mosul, occupied by Daesh.

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"In the 22 years since Sept. 11, Western nations have faced a grand total of two major Muslim terror attacks - in London in 2005 and Paris in 2015."

Those of us in Spain would like to add a couple of items to this short list, Alex. Madrid 2004, 193 dead on commuter trains. Barcelona 2017, 13 dead and 130 wounded - but would have been much, much more if the terrorists hadn't accidentally blown themselves and their house up. (They were planning huge explosions at tourist-filled monuments, perhaps the Sagrada Familia cathedral and the Camp Nou football stadium).

The good people of Nice might like a word also ...

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There have been loads of Muslim terrorist attacks in Europe he missed. The Ariana Grande concert in Manchester 2017 stands out for me as it targeted teens like my daughter. Maybe he was just focusing on the " big two".

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It's not in the interests of the U.S. media to report on such things. They want to keep this kind of information away from the typical low information voter.

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What if the answer is much simpler than some complex hypothesis that a people dedicated to the eradication of an entire gene pool somehow found the violence too much. What if the answer is that these countries refuse to formally go to war with Israel because they will lose and non-state actors don’t have the means? Everything in life is opportunity and incentives. What is the incentive for war?

What if I told you no one would be fighting in Ukraine and Russia is they weren’t forced too?

The thing we always forget is people will do anything to defend their home, but VERY few people will leave their home, without being physically, metaphorically and financially forced to do so to fight someone else’s war.

And no matter how Muslims feel the data says they view freeing Palestine as the Palestinians problem.

Isn’t that a much simpler, and more likely, hypothesis?

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As I wrote earlier this week, the overwhelming rhetorical support for the Palestinian cause

(i.e., probably more than half is Israel and Jew hatred)

has not yet translated into action among either Muslim countries or their leaders - perhaps in part because Hamas overreached in its brutality on Oct. 7.

(perhaps in part because Israel has proven to whip the Arabs and the US is at least tacitly still behind Israel even with that tottering old fool in the White House.)

Beating back the fury of the entire Muslim world is another matter.

(and apparently beating back the repeating furry of Jew hating in advance western countries too)

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I would say Israel is winning in the Middle East and losing here

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I hate to be the bearer of bad news Alex, but 911 was an inside job. We were not attacked by Muslims that day, we were conditioned to BELIEVE that we were attacked by Islam, just as Germans were conditioned to believe the government story about who started the Reichstag fire. More bad news, analysis of all available facts and evidence shows extensive fingerprints of Israeli influence. The Muslim folk were blamed for something they didn’t do.

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It’s amazing that poor Muslims keep taking credit for the atrocities people are trying to blame on them.

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Do you mean the Muslims tortured at Gitmo and Abu Ghraib by US soldiers?

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No Muslims were tortured at GTMO and every single last one of term deserved to be there till they died. Have you ever heard of the term “recidivism” ? Yeah the ones who were “cleared” for release that went back and killed more of our countrymen ? You have no FN clue except what the media elitists brainwashed you into thinking. Granted the Abu G incident with racking and stacking terrorists by misguided and unsupervised troops was appalling but it hardly amounted to torture! Before you attempt a response, yes I have been deployed to both locations and know what really transpired.

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Nah, the banners carried in the streets, and the All Glory to Our Martyrs projected on a campus building at at GSW. Then there’s the head of Hamas giving interviews...

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All you have to do is look back at wars muslims have been in. Listen to how they brag about their conquests. They are the best sales people in history.

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Any thoughts about the so-called dancing Israelis across the river in NJ back in 2001?

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No, they were dancing and celebrating in Paterson and on rooftops on Tonnele Avenue in Jersey City, just half a block away from the second-story storefront mosque where the first WTC bombing was planned.

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Tell me something I don't already know. I noted they were in NJ, whatever city it was. The significance is that the dancing Israelis were filming the strike and celebrating, showing prior knowledge of the event. Does that make sense to you?

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Did I see a video of OBL having dinner w/ some of his fellow Al Quaeda leaders and bragging about the 911 attack? Do I remember him making the distinct comment that despite his "experience in the field" (his family ran a giant construction company) the damage was far greater than he anticipated? Were he and the others chortling about the damage they had done to America?

Did I imagine all that, Richard? Please help me out.

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You likely did. Have you heard of ‘body doubles’? Several of the CIA produced videos are under close analysis NOT Osama, so you might not quite realize that you were deceived by skilled propagandists. Have you ever studied the methods of men like Edward Bernays and Josef Goebbels?

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You can't be serious. The CIA was trying to frame OBL for something he didn't do? He could have just denied it.

And I guess the 19 of 20 hijackers who took flying lessons were also body doubles? The cockpit voice recordings from the planes? Phone calls from passengers before they crashed describing what had happened? The 20th hijacker, Zacarias Moussaoui, who stood trial, and who never denied his role?

I'm the one who's supposed to be a tin-hat conspiracy theorist. You put me to shame.

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Are you aware of the current controversy regarding OBL’s Letter to America? It turns out The Guardian has now removed that letter from its website after it has been there for 20+ years. Too much truth that contradicts so many official narratives. Point is a thorough examination is impossible in this format.

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I'm aware of the letter, and the newfound interest in it, but I haven't read it.

As I understand it, he blames America for his attack on WTC. Which undermines your claim it wasn't him, doesn't it?

Apparently a lot of young people (and some older ones) finds his reasoning persuasive. I was once their age, and there's a lot of things I believed then. I'm a little slow, and it took me awhile to catch on that that kind of letter is like hearing only the prosecution's side in a criminal trial without hearing what the defense is.

I'm not in a hurry to read it. But when I do, I expect to find a one-sided, unbalanced screed full of falsehoods.

Maybe I'll be surprised. But I doubt it.

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I'll just say one thing: Patriot Act. Is the average American citizen now considered an enemy of the government? Have you wondered why they are allowed to trample on our rights? He may be on to something.

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You don't need to convince me our government is capable of all kinds of vile acts. I'm 100% with you on that.

But I part ways with the people thinking 911 was a false flag.

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Not a false flag per se. However the cia always played both sides. Not sure of the details , but they had a hand in it. I don’t think Bush was directly involved, but was not all that surprised to get the news while reading to the kids. He didn’t know what the plan was, but he was aware that something was going to happen to usher in the patriotic act. I think it was an omg moment for him. Morning of 9/11 crystallizes it for him. Imo.

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I don't know enough to say whether it was or wasn't. I haven't put any energy into it. I do know that the Patriot act came out of it. This made American citizens enemies of the government, which makes it legal for them to suspend our 4th amendment rights.

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This reply is to all of your posts........

Hahahahaha rotflmao

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All presidents are puppets to varying degrees.

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What does Alex believe about 9/11?

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Alex appears to believe the Official Conspiracy Theory, that 19 arabs with box cutters and minimal flying skills hijacked 4 airliners and flew them into WTC, the Pentagon and a field in Pennsylvania. All available facts and evidence contradict that story, it is impossible.

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I had hoped he was more sophisticated, given his clear ability to sing independently.

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Same global story Muslims dislike Christians or others for not being or not believing in Muslim tenets When migrating elsewhere tend to demand host country bend to their traditions & religion to concur with their ideas of life creating difficulties for both parties Migrants entering another country should behave as the guests they are respecting hosts and host's laws without complaint However their early brainwashing teachings are embedded in their minds unable to accept any alternative form of belief Trouble occurred in Australia when Muslim incomers verbally ridiculed Australian bikini clad beach girls as whores /sluts and a disturbance ensured from local boys resenting our freedom of choice & their lack of our laws Court cases ensued to sort out both sides and things simmered down but not entirely forgotten as shown later when ISIS made its presence here

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