This is what Big Sister was telling you exactly six months ago today:
“The virus stops with every vaccinated person… A vaccinated person gets exposed to the virus. The virus does not infect them. The virus cannot use that person to go anywhere else.”
It seems as though they were really good people who, along with the daughter, bought into the idea that the vaccine solves everything. At the risk of seeming insensitive, maybe they should have focused on their health and losing a lot of weight instead of depending on the vaccine. The daugher's anger is missplaced.
When it became obvious about 18 months ago that Covid robs you of lung capacity, I started exercising. Went from getting winded up a flight of stairs to 2 marathons. Pre-existings need to be worked on. And the best part is that I not only survived the virus without much trouble, but chances of avoiding a whole lot of other killers got better too.
Great summary of the whole mess. Clear & concise. In my circle of friends, nobody has died with or of Covid. The two recent deaths were men in their 60s (one with heart problems) who took the shot, went home, took a nap, and never woke up. Nap nap to dirt nap. A friend in her forties was forced to get it for work and experienced heavy uterine bleeding and breast and underarm lumps. Her doctor told her that was "normal."
That was my immediate thought. If they had known that early treatment was available, they could have taken a course of early treatment that probably would have cost them $20 and saved their lives. It's so sad what's being done.
The doctors and hospitals are following (bad) suggested government treatment protocol and avoid liability by doing it that way instead of following a course that may have a much higher success rate.
Unfortunately, they were both overweight...and yes...early treatment probably still would have worked...but anyone who thinks the vaccine “works” is sadly mistaken...
Data doesn't work that way. The vaccines provide an order of magnitude protection against severe outcome. Pick a state or a country and I'll show you with the raw data. If we were at 95% over 50 vaccinated instead of 93% over 65+ with one shot, we'd see about half the covid deaths being vaccinated people...there just would be less. Is this a data substack? Pick a state or country, we can normalize the data and break into age ranges together and look at vaccine efficiency
All the while "early treatments" prevent most hospitalizations as is being done around the world. If fighting covid was an Olympic event the USA would not even be a contender and India would have all the medals.
In particular the Indian state of Uttar Pradesh, a little smaller than Michigan but with a population of over 200 million (more than half the population of the USA) is the world champion of fighting covid and it is done without vaccines... it is done with early treatment, something the CDC and WHO try very hard to forbid (as instructed by their big-pharma masters).
Think about how dense the population there is and yet they have a far lower rate of covid deaths than in the rich modern USA. According to https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths (as of 9-17-21), the USA is experiencing about 6 deaths/million... India is below 1/million.
India has 833 million covid vaccinations and are going up by 50 million per week. ....certainly the per week gets them the gold I watch 12 countries more closely than India.....I can take more of a look at India data this weekend...you were 3rd person to mention it. The little I've seen but not researched was their deaths were massively underreported in some regions...that is Google level knowledge not research...can start some research on it and post back Sunday.
When you say "provide an order of magnitude protection against severe outcome", can you clarify how long this level of protection lasts? I have a lot of questions about the data but I'd most like to understand what you believe the order of magnitude protection is when comparing a group of people say 5+ months post-vaccination to unvaccinated. If the vaccinated group is anywhere from 1 day to 8 months post-vaccination then I don't see how the data is very useful since most people seem to acknowledge that the vaccines provide some level of protection for some period of time.
Rob C, I believe after reading a couple of posts that made it sound like people were saying covid didn't exist and vaccine wasn't at all effective that I may have had the wrong read on the what the substack had become. I didn't realize it was an understood that vaccine had order of magnitude benefit so was stressing it. When I normalize to vaxxed and unvaxxed population I'm going into them at this point for the last month of data usually (to make sure I catch it with full Delta) and breaking it out in age ranges. Pfizer has the best real world data on it out of Israel and the best booster data. Moderna it is harder to get a read on that Pfizer but appears to last longer. It's a good question that deserves more than my mind can do at 1:47am thinking about working at 7am. I'll see what I can see on Pfizer on the Israel data. Note, I also haven't figured out a way to adjust for people having had covid..if you see a place that tracks data that way, please let me know. Have a good night
If your goal is to truly understand the benefits of the vaccines (vs simply looking to shape the data to promote the vaccines) then there are lots of issues with the data in my opinion. Considering natural immunity in the vaccinated group is one and as mentioned previously considering days or months post-vaccination is another. If any comparison includes people recently vaccinated then that is going to paint the vaccinated group in the best light when the reality over time may be very different. There are also questions about the definition of "vaccinated" as it relates to the data and how many partially vaccinated people are included in the unvaccinated groups (should be zero in my opinion). I also have questions about including people that die with covid and not from covid. In a perfect (and not so political) world we'd have the data to make adjustments to get a more accurate comparison and then we'd be able to compare those results to all cause deaths for the same groups.
Also, note that the people that decide how the data is collected (and not collected) and the people that collect the data overwhelmingly have a vested interest in the success of the vaccines. They promote the vaccines, they take the vaccines and many of them profit from the vaccines. They risk being embarrassed, losing credibility and losing money if the vaccines aren't everything they predict they will be. This is why we see them every day giving statistics that may be true for a moment in time and pretending that they know the future. 95% effective as if they just knew they would be 95% effective forever. Safe and effective as if they know how safe and how effective the vaccines will be in 1 year or 5 years. The vaccines allow you to return to normal life without masks, with little to no chance of spreading the virus. Reduces serious illness, hospitalization and death as if they know how long and as if they know what happens when that protection goes away. In an environment where the truth was the highest priority no one would accept this kind of recklessness but it's clear that the truth isn't the highest priority. That isn't to say that I don't believe that the vaccines are a valuable tool in the fight against covid. The problem is that once you realize how much the data is being manipulated and once you realize how the push to vaccinate everyone actually gets more aggressive as the vaccines are consistently proven to be of less value than previously thought, the only reasonable position is to question the data and the agenda. So far, the people questioning the vaccine propaganda have been right far more often than those pushing the propaganda. That may change over time but therein lies the real problem... we need more time to have any real confidence in any of this but despite clear evidence that the vaccines aren't preventing the spread of the virus (the one thing they needed to do to justify the aggressive actions), they don't want to give people time which adds to the doubt about the real motivation here.
Why not look at the videos of 'patriots" from the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers and their ilk assaulting the Capitol Police. Look at the bios of those arrested and charged (and pled guilty and were sentenced) and you will see these "patriots" were wild animals unleashed by Your Dear Leader. Return to reality, Bliss Boy
Most those arrested had no priors and were charged with parading and nonviolent offenses. Feds did not seem to catch their friends who broke windows and assaulted police.
Not everyone posting here qualifies as a mature and thoughtful person. Some insist on childish comments that do them no honor -- and add nothing to the discussion.
The bigger conspiracy is that an invisible virus that has NEVER been isolated and purified magically infects people, causing a disease. The lie is decades long, and a lot of the silenced drs and scientists have been trying to expose the facts.
Plandemic is one of the largest ever told. 6.2 billion shots in and Trumps warp speed is getting derailed by what Trump calls deranged anti covid vaccine pseudoscience
The common theme in those comments was that faith in the vaccine depends on approval by the scientific experts in the FDA, not a political statement alone. The comments reflect a lack of faith in Bleach Man, not in the vaccine when finally approved by the scientific process we have come to trust.
The "vaccine" currently in use is still under an EUA and has not been "approved," only Comirnaty, which is not currently available, has been approved. This was a legal head fake by the FDA to suck in people like you who continue to display their ignorance and belief in the good will of global predators.
and Comirnaty is the only one where you can sue for damages if hurt by vax, that is why they do not want it on the market. Do they really think we are all so daft that we do not see what is going on????
Mouser, you are correct. Trials for the current vaccine will not be done until 2023 at the earliest. And yes, the “approved” vaccine has not been available yet.
Hi VYD. Respectfully even if we do not see eye to eye, I am truly glad you did not suffer any deleterious side effects. You have a differing opinion than most on here, including me, but it takes a lot of guts to take the heat. I want us all to remember that we are of the same human family and most of us are good hard working people putting one foot in front of the other every day. At the end of the day, debate is a good thing and we should always remain open minded and follow our gut instincts. We are at war with one another and it hurts my heart. I wish the best for you and your family as I do for all my compatriots on here. We can't let America be destroyed from the inside out. She has always been a shining beacon in the world and I for one don't want us all to lose that.
The scientific process... You mean the one that's still not discovered how effective ivermectin is for covid? The IFL Science types have turned science into an idol. You have zero idea what science is.
One of the problems is Nirvana fallacy...it's a belief that when something isn't perfect, it isn't good. A second is that proving something statistically with a P<0.05 is difficult. I was disappointed in the Aug 25th Brazil trial on Ivermectin. I'm definitely interested in the Principle trial from UK in December. I was more hopeful on the data but of course we should continue to all hope for the best vaccine and the best treatments we can reach together
Times for continued open minds in science. There are probably multiple successful strategies that can be employed. There may not be a one size fits all. If Ivermec works, great, if inhaled H2O2 works. great, if shaking hands with a Yeti works, great. Whatever it takes to help ourselves and our international community survive and ensure the next generations thrive and can live under the banner of freedom.
"The common theme in those comments was that faith in the vaccine depends on approval by the scientific experts in the FDA, not a political statement alone. The comments reflect a lack of faith in Bleach Man, not in the vaccine when finally approved by the scientific process we have come to trust."
But the people at the FDA were the same over both administrations. So you should have "trusted" them regardless of who's president.
Also, even though I am no fan of his by a long shot, it wasn't under Trump that those "scientific experts" quit in protest over the politicization of the vaccine rollout. . .
I always trust the actual scientists at the FDA and CDC. But not necessarily the political appointees (of whatever stripe). And it is well documented that under Trump his political operatives in the White House and elsewhere tried to slant, spin, and corrupt the CDC reporting. Look it up.
That said, I did not approve of Biden getting out ahead of the experts on booster shots -- and we don't know who counseled him so to do.
"About 55 percent, or $3.2 billion, of FDA’s budget is provided by federal budget authorization. The remaining 45 percent, or $2.7 billion, is paid for by industry user fees."
How can their be any semblance of trust when the FDA's funding comes from the very entities it is designed to regulate. Helps explain why 1/3 approved drugs is eventually pulled from the market over safety or efficacy concerns.
Whether individual scientists are complicit or innocent is not the issue. The appearance of corruption and the observed failures of the FDA in terms of drug recall proves the point. The FDA is basically the Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval for Big Pharma. Both are bought and paid for by the companies that receive those seals. The American public would be better off if the FDA was disbanded, or if the FDA was fully funded by the American taxpayer.
the fda voted 16-2 against giving the 'booster' jab. then a political appointee at the cdc approved it. so the actual scientists are against the 'booster'. how is it you say you are trusting the scientists and not political appointees?
"And it is well documented that under Trump his political operatives in the White House and elsewhere tried to slant, spin, and corrupt the CDC reporting."
If you think boosters is the only place the Biden group has done exactly this, then I suggest you look again. Denial of natural immunity, withholding alternative/early treatments, "spinning" data to conform with their predetermined policy goals, etc. The list goes on.
Then why didnt they ask the fda and cdc to make a non partisan statement of support for the vaccine? It seems like they did the political math and decided to use the vaccine as a political attack... using intentionally broad attacks to hurt Trump and betting they could 180 it after the election with acceptable loss of life.
"Asked at Wednesday's vice-presidential debate whether she would take a vaccine approved by the Trump administration before or after the election, Harris said she'd be the "first in line" to take the vaccine if health experts like Dr. Anthony Fauci recommended it.
"If the public health professionals, if Dr. Fauci, if the doctors tell us that we should take it, I'll be the first in line to take it, absolutely. But if Donald Trump tells us that we should take it, I'm not taking it," Harris said."
That's hardly what you are claiming she said. Oh, and how many of you ran out and drank bleach and shoved a UV light down your gullet because Trump thought it might be a good idea. And Hydroxychloroquine is still unproven in any reputable study. Now, about your horse dewormer....that is actually being studied right now, but I would suggest you wait a while.
"So, supposing we hit the body with a tremendous -- whether it's ultraviolet or just very powerful light -- and I think you said that that hasn't been checked, but you're going to test it. And then I said, supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way, and I think you said you're going to test that too. It sounds interesting...
"...Right. And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be interesting to check that. So, that, you're going to have to use medical doctors with. But it sounds -- it sounds interesting to me.
You need to get away from your left wing sources. This internal UV light was under development prior to Trump's comments that the left moronically turned into "drink bleach".
Regarding the bleach nonsense...Trump was reacting to a report from the DOD that found that UV light killed/denatured COVID rapidly, something like 15 seconds. This was the context in which Trump said something to the effect that it would be great if we could somehow get UV light...NOT BLEACH...into the body to accomplish what UV light was demonstrated to do externally.
Ivermectin has been used here in the US for years, off label for scabies and pinworms, works for Covid too. Just wait… Pfizermectin is just around the corner, they tweak the molecule and rename it. I know ~ 35 years in pharmacy.
Ivermectin at the doses it was used has been used over 3.7 billion times worldwide with a good safety profile. Always ask your doctor before taking medication and obviously the dose is important. I don't know if it works. Was more hopeful before some recent studies but the December study from UK Principle has 34k people and hopefully will show statistical significant. While it's not close to the 6.2 billion doses of covid vaccine, 3.7 billion is still a ton
I think you're right. I've heard it elsewhere. Figures. Bottom of the whole noisy, clamorous, turbulent, chaotic mess: simply money.
I don't understand why in this thread no one has mentioned the Flccc.net - Dry Kory's 'front line criticical care' and his insistence that saves from death routinely hundreds of patients with Ivermectin and that there's over 60 studies vouching for it and Uttar Predesh Stat in India solved their covid problem with it?
Uttar Pradesh has had over 100 million vaccine shots (mostly first shots). I'm interested in Ivermectin and looking forward to results on all 6 drugs in the Principle UK trial in December (and was disappointed that the Aug 25th study from Brazil didn't prove it out). I'm not as familiar with India than other countries but keep on seeing it being mentioned and will look at more this weekend. Believe there are 27 studies showing no impact. A number showing positive impact. The best p I saw was 0.19...which is interesting. For comparison though the vaccine has an incredible p<0.000000001. Under 0.05 to be statistically proven but with 34k in the Principle study we should see one way or another in December
""If the public health professionals, if Dr. Fauci, if the doctors tell us that we should take it, I'll be the first in line to take it, absolutely. But if Donald Trump tells us that we should take it, I'm not taking it," Harris said.""
Have you ever stopped to think how moronically political this would have been? If Trump said take it and Fauci says no, who benefits? If Fauci said yes, and Trump said no? If they both said yes?
It's nonsensical because they were nakedly political statements, just as their flip flop was nakedly political in nature.
Its been used successfully by humans many times for a different condition. It is 3.7 billion plus doses with a good safety profile vs 6.2 billion covid doses with a good safety profile. Vaccine proven to p<0.00000001. Have seen p=0.19 on Ivermectin and hoping like heck the Principle trial out of UK in December finds it or something else positie.
Thanks. I stand informed. Too bad it sounded strange when he said it. Politicians ought not to play scientist or doctor (and that applies across the political spectrum I freely admit).
a lot of things sounded strange when Trump said them. because he's intelligent and witty and he'd jump from one thought to another and one slant to another - catching the slow, uninformed flat footed wondering what the hell he was talking about.
which their often moronic mates were only too happy to tell their version of.
TDS is so vile, so all encompassing and deadly to the mind and soul, and infectious that if the infected weren’t so wasted they wouldn’t need it mandated, it would sell itself
Oh geez really? Not everyone is black and white like you. Some of us are medical professionals who actually know what we are talking about. Others of us are not as rigidly us and them-- if that's what you want so you can feel virtuous-- try another blog. Troll.
Madcow quote: It`s a piece of information that we have needed. Today we got it. We all know already if you get vaccinated, that vaccine will basically prevent you from getting sick with COVID, it will prevent you from going to the hospital with COVID symptoms, prevent you from dying with COVID. Great, good for you.
Here's the link so you can read the transcript for yourself:
Both the left and the right played into a Nirvana fallacy potentially accidentally and both by not normalizing the data. Early on when few were vaxxed, the 99.9 % postings came out. Now people like Bereson go into countries where 95% of their 50+ population is vaxxed...expect he'll do it here next year too...93% of 65+ with first shot not high enough for him to play games. You're on Bererensons site...want to take a look at what he posted about Israel about 6 weeks back...you want to ask for someone to correct, ask Berenson
Hard to follow what you are suggesting here, but I'm interested. Can you elaborate? I like Alex, but I've noticed he tends to drop topics, just like the news media (India, Florida), when they start to go the way he doesn't like.
When you heard 99.9% of the people hospitalized in 2021 were unvaccinated around April, I don't think people were trying to mislead.....it was obvious that the vaccinated were having huge protection. The numbers however did not normalize for the vaccinated vs unvaccinated populations....it was never 1000 to 1 or 100 to 1 benefit. Unintentionally, it fed into a Nirvana fallacy (when we say something that isn't perfect isn't good) because that replace the 70% that we were originally shooting to at least get on vaccine. They should have divided out the population between vaccinated and unvaccinated (and broke into age ranges since severe outcome highly tied to age). Alex does the opposite of that where he'll go into populations where 95% of population 50+ is vaccinated and won't normalize and break into age ranges to make it look like vaccine isn't effective.....or at least that's what I perceive. It looks like a cherrypicked narrative.. I'm referencing if you give me a random country or state, I can go into current data, normalize it to percent of population that is vaccinated/unvaccinated and break it it age ranges and it'll show the vaccine reduce severe outcome by order of magnitude. I'm really annoyed at Berenson for a nursing home article he put out January that convinced a few 80 year olds that I know not to take the vaccine because it was going to kill them like that nursing home in Europe.....never saw him come back....6.25 billion shots in to say that he overstated....they haven't had the shot until this day and the next 6 months with Delta look especially rough for older people that haven't have coronavirus. You'll see the age range of effected drop by 20 years but that is likely because of the higher vax rates of older populations. It's not a problem to make a mistake in data analysis..in 30 years I have...many times. It is a problem to continue a narrative without recognizing that path information was wrong and then doing your best to correct the past information and take the lessons learned to improve your future projections or assessments
I don't just "listen to Berenson". I have looked at the data from Israel and the UK and it is not a slam dunk for either position. The data can get complicated because you have different variant waves hitting populations at different times and then boosters being added in the case of Israel. In Florida, where I live we are coming out of delta. Our data will be skewed because we have had monoclonal antibody sites that have been set up all over the state. They have been heavily used and in many cases, Broward County for example, 60% of the patients were fully vaxxed, 73% over 65 that used that site were fully vaxxed. Those treatments kept people out of the hospital and kept them from dying, but if this is not taken into consideration it can skew the numbers. A statistician can say, well the vax worked. Data can be manipulated to support a number of desired outcomes depending on ones bias. Scientists should be examining all of the variables. I am interested to see how the winter months will play out in the North since it appears there is definite seasonality at play. My issue with the booster plan is that the scientists @ the FDA did not recommend broad use of the boosters because the data was not yet there on effectiveness & safety and then the CDC decided to make a political move and overrule them. As I stated before. I think they are concerned that the winter will bring a delta surge in the highly vaxed Northern states and that without boosters there will be many serious break through infections and it will be harder for them to blame the vaccine uptake. The data from Israel seems to support this. I'm not against helping people with the boosters, but I feel many more people would be helped if they would highlight treatment regimes from front line doctors that are working and use monoclonal antibodies as well. I feel they are stuck in a vax only strategy and there is far more going on that has nothing to do with saving lives.
I'm better with data than with politics. I had thought the only disconnect was whether it should be offered to frontline workers under 50. When I look at he data, the first think I do is to normalize within vaxxed and unvaxxed population. The second thing I do is break into many age ranges..there is substantial relationship to severe outcome (rough, double every decade). The third I would do but don't know how to do is to try to account for people who have had covid before and I'm looking if anyone has found a state our country that breaks that out. On your example, I wouldn't combine and county and compare to another county, I would combine the vax and age status. Because it's order of magnitude it shows past the noise...at least the 50+ times I've done it with the raw data. Do that breakdown using first normalizing population and breaking into age ranges make sense to you as a way to try to assess vaccine effectiveness.....there are 10 other factors at least but those there is data that breaks it out and it's prime.
I'm not sure that I understood your post b/c it has a lot of typos. The point I'm trying to make is that this shouldn't be political, but I feel the CDC and the establishment of "captured" scientists are cherry picking data to try to bolster their view that the vaccines are highly effective and justify draconian mandates. Therefore, I'm not interested in narrowly focused analysis based solely on vaxxed/unvaxxed, level of disease, and age stratification. If life saving treatments such as monoclonal antibodies aren't examined as a contributory effect the data will be skewed. Unfortunately, we have a situation where it is difficult to obtain data on break through cases and the severity of them. Currently, if a break through case results in death when the patient is not in hospital it is not counted. The data is important, but all factors that are occurring around the world need to be evaluated including VEAs both from US (VAERS) & elsewhere (UK Yellowcard example) to get an accurate picture of vaxx efficacy and safety.
Kamala Harris VP debate 2020: "If the public health professionals, if Dr. Fauci, if the doctors tell us we should take it, I'll be the first in line to take it, absolutely. But if Donald Trump tells us that we should take it, I'm not taking it. Contrast that now to Biden threatening people's livelihoods telling them to "GET VACCINATED", and lying to them that it's "safe, effective, and convenient" and that if they get the vax they "won't get sick from Covid". It seems that it's ok to be wary of a vax if Donald Trump is in power and suggests people take it, but not if Joe Biden is in power and threatens people if they don't.
President Biden has the backing of the FDA, the CDC, and every reputable virologist and epidemiologist here and abroad. It is safe, effective, and convenient as witnessed by the experience of millions and millions of people here smart enough to get vaccinated. Or witnessed sadly by the 670,000 dead Americans.
The FDA, CDC, and "every reputable virologist and epidemiologist here and abroad". This is laughable and patently false. They are all captured regulatorily speaking by Big Pharma and Fauci. If you had bothered to watch the FDA advisory committee hearing recently you would have witnessed that there are many independent scientists, virologists and epidemiologists that are concerned about the safety signals that are being ignored as well as the loss of efficacy over time of these vaccines and lack of evidence to suggests boosters will be safe or effective. They declined to approve the booster for everyone. What did the Biden administration through CDC director Walensky do? She ignored the narrow recommendation of the SCIENTISTS to approve the boosters only for the elderly and immune compromised and broadened it to include basically anyone who wants one, all so they can continue pushing more boosters in hopes of staving off a huge level of break through cases this winter in the heavily vaxxed Northern states. If the vax is so effective, then why are boosters needed and why be wary of the unvaxxed. You know the answer, you're just not big enough to admit it.
The data out of Israel is compelling. To have 73% of the current severe cases in the 775k unvaccinated Israelis over 20 is compelling especially sine unvaccinated skew much younger and bad outcomes skew much older. I would have likely done 50+ on the boosters but see the case for what was done. I would have done that to keep the focus on the older since pre vaccine causing ages to drop (since the older are more vaccinated) 83% of deaths from covid were 65+
Everyone should stop saying that "it is safe and effective" without having the same caveats that every drug ad on TV has to have. It can have side effects in some people, including very serious ones, and long term effects cannot be known with any certainty. The fact that the same agencies that require that warning for every single drug out there, including aspirin and Tylenol, and won't issue it for the new vaccine makes some of us nervous about how much political pressure is being brought to bear. The fact that the most recent recommendations by the FDA with respect to the booster were overridden by a political appointee doesn't help with that.
I'm on here to connect with like minded people, not to get into fights Twitter style. I feel you all are here for the same thing. Let's preserve this community and not devolve into negativity. PLEASE everyone! These threads are saving my sanity. Thank you.
One thing I really don't understand is with the reporting structure for an EAU and 392 million doses given, how there can't be randomly more VAERS entries. Go back to 2019 before covid came and made 2020 have 504k more deaths than any year in US history. Total deaths were about 7700 a day and 23% were heart disease.....how do we not have more random overlap even if there were zero negative effects?
LOL!!! you are FULL of MSM bs stats. Good god-- find a health professional (maybe one who was threatened to be vaccinated-- they will have time) to set you straight. God good 🤣
Trump was a unwitting dupe in the warp speed saga!! We are in this vaccine mess because he put the vaccine production on steroids using tax payer money!! Neither party gives a F..K about the American People (except at election time) !!!
I give full credit to President Trump and his administration for Operation Warp Speed. The funding and guarantees provided by OWS were critical to bringing the vaccines so rapidly to our arms. The effort built on the work over decades by the medical research community, but were brought to us by truly Herculean efforts by the pharmaceutical companies under the administration's program.
And with all those efforts led by Your Hero, you won't stick your arm out and get a shot? So, "the herculean (sic) efforts of...President Trump" were all for naught? You are in a logical pretzel, my friend.
I wish you well. The world that exists in your head is not real. In general, most people are good. This logic extended would mean you would never go to a doctor...never vote...never believe information. Healthy skepticism and checking data that you are given makes sense but living with this world view does not
Covid survival rate is not 99.7%. The death numbers are right...is your point that 700k deaths isn't a big deal...it's about 240 911's or 15 times the US casualties of Vietnam. How can anyone reference 700k dead in US as not a big deal?
58,000 young men in the prime of their lives die violently, while hundreds of thousands of elderly are killed by Democrat governors, not the same thing
Mike, what do your Communist friends in China say what the survival rate is? We want to make sure all our ships are sailing in the same direction. Thank you, comrade.
Both Cases and Deaths numbers listed above are 250% higher than same week one year ago which had no vaccines available. How does that fit the vaccine is "effective" narrative?
Shouldn't we be seeing smaller numbers since 2/3rds are fully vaxxed and 3/4 with 1st shot per CDC data?
To state your case stronger, use that 93% of 65+ have at least one shot. It breaks down though since when you normalize the data and break out into age ranges, you see the vaccine giving an order of magnitude protection. Delta is rough. It's far more transmissible and looks to be twice as bad for outcome. We'd be beating the Jan spike which was twice as high right now without the vaccine. Twistertim, I'd like you to thank the last 5 presidents who contributed to the vaccine for the reduced deaths from what we'd be seeing. Thanks in advance
Delta is more contagious and far less lethal in the unvaccinated. Countries with low vaccination rates are having a better time dealing with Delta. The current spike would be much lower had we all stayed unvaccinated. Viruses do not mutate to deadlier strains, it goes against natural selection to survive and replicate. Even Ebola has mutated to less deadly versions since the original outbreak. The first outbreak is always the worst !!
There’s a big difference between dying ‘from’ Covid and dying ‘with’ Covid. Why did you choose not to write the number of those who died ‘from’ Covid!’? Is it because it’s less than the number of people who have died from the Covid vaccines??
I have CKD and several other underlying conditions. If I am driving my Boxster down the road and you run into me with your F-150, are you going to tell the judge that it was my CKD that killed me? This is one of the most specious arguments I have seen here. There are responsible posters here. Study and emulate them.
No. 2020 504k more people died in US that any year in US history. It was in waves of total deaths that coincided with covid waves. You can see it in any state data if you don't trust compiled data. This is a data substack..this is easy to check and has been for sometime. Where are the people that used to be on this site that correctly were pushing back when the "other side" wasn't normalizing data?
in 2020, 504k more people died in US than in any year in US history. Total deaths were in waves that matched covid waves. This BS stopped coming out from most in March of 2021..the new misinformation is about going into countries where 95% of their 50+ population are vaccinated and not mention that...but instead give that there is a split between vaxxed and unvaxxed. Just wanted to get you the fresh misinformation approach.
When a pathogen has been circulating for 2 years now, classing people as vaxxed vs unvaxxed doesn't make sense. It is better to classify immune vs naive.
When claiming the vax has saved the day, how are you normalizing for broad natural immunity that clearly exists at this point? Why has India seen its outbreak drastically decrease with less than 20% of the population vaccinated?
You believe it's the vax because you want to believe it's the vax. It might, but it also might not be.
The best comment I have seen that elucidates the stupidity of the MSM and government spin around this vax came from a retweet on Bret Weinsteins' feed. I cannot remember the author but to paraphrase the quote "soon they'll be blaming people who've never taken antibiotics for antibiotic resistance" One has to wonder if any of these people have even passed a high school biology class.
Germ theory is just that, a theory. We do WAY more harm “disinfecting” with toxic chemicals and injecting humans with poison than any bacteria will ever do to us on its own.
Yup welcome to my world. Every patient I have to explain this BS about how unvaccinated can give vaccinated people the virus. Its ridiculous and exposes how pathetic science education is.
Alex, what this class of corrupt, political, and power-thirsty pseudo-elites ought to be telling people is the actual truth: that the half-life of facts in Medicine is in the range of 5-10 years. In other words, every 7 years or so on average, 50% of what medical experts claim are proven to be false. And that includes some very well-esdablished, century-long medical facts that have withstood the test of time. If you single out novel medical topics such as COVID-19, that half-life will be likely to drop down to a few weeks at most. As a published scientist and academician myself, I can tell you that this concept is absolutely pivotal to any attempts at understanding published "science". Humility is key. Those dumb mediatic pseudo-elites literally make a fool of themselves when they start pontificating this way on national TV. But, hey, I guess this is what their job is all about, endless cheerleading for their political overseers. Besides, if they were to admit the real uncertainties surrounding this topic, how could they then justify mandates? They couldn't, hence the need for dumb, tyrannical dogmatism.
" Humility is key." We don't know what we don't know. This has been a foundational element of risk analysis for centuries. Now it seems that too many people "know" everything because the "experts" told us so.
This is also what good ol’ Governor Inslee said back in the spring. He said “the vaccine stops the vaccine dead. Get vaxxed”. Of course we now know that it does not stop it dead, even in a recent interview with Fauci he said vaccinated can get it AND spread it yet in WA state thousands of state and healthcare workers are getting fired for refusing the vaccine even though IT DOES NOT PREVENT SPREAD
Sad, sad, sad. It is not completely effective. Never been so claimed. Now, why do states with higher vaccination rates have lower infection rates? Pure chance? Or because blue hearts are truer?
There's a regional seasonality to the virus that likely contributed to red states, which tend to be southern states (i.e., hot in the summer), having more cases over the last few months. The same was true in 2020 when the vaccine didn't exist.
The opposite trend exists on the international level. You can prove this out by cross-referencing the NYT's list of most vaccinated countries with cases per Our World in Data. It's almost the norm for highly vaccinated countries to have had their biggest spikes (over very close to it) deep into their vaccination campaigns. Israel is the one that gets the most attention, but it's not alone.
This seasonality makes me wonder if winter could be really rough in the northern states? Especially with rolling out boosters that may push the vulnerable over the edge to death. So many questions. So much suppressed data. And so much refusal to even look at these questions.
Vaccines and boosters will reduce death and hospitalizations...you'll still see alot of cases. The midwest will be hit hard. The south when hit after they did about 5 million doses in Texas/Florida in a month to take them into better position....the other areas of the country are mostly waiting for the extra deaths to hit them before they react.
Israel as of Tuesday had 73% of their severe cases in the 775k people that were over 20 and unvaccinated. Feel free to send a few, I can show you how Alex misleads using Simpsons paradox. Spoiler -- Normalize for vaccinated/unvaccinated populations and break into age ranges to constantly see an order of magnitude benefit to severe outcome
Enron accounting for cases helps add to the confusion. Revised COVID guidelines record folks under 14 days from second dose of vaccine as unvaccinated & rates of infection counted by PCR positive a meaningless metric.
Nirvana fallacy. The goal was to get to 70% effective. When it got to 95%, it was a party. If "they" was saying, "they" was wrong. If you told me this effectiveness a year ago and 6.25 billion doses worldwide and I'd do a happy dance. If you said I would be on a site at 1am because US was stumbling badly to 392 million at that point, I would not be happy dancing....
What's especially wild about healthcare workers getting fired for not getting the shot is that the vast majority of them likely have natural immunity. It's pure insanity.
I know! The brainwashing is so thorough, the lying so blatant, that anyone who consumes any type of mass corporate media is bound to believe what they're told. The matrix is real. We really are inhabiting two different realities.
How about NY gov hochul proclaiming God wants you to take the vaccine and tells her believers to become her apostles. It’s more like Satan and his minions.
Threatening to fire 72,000 NY health care workers, many w natural immunity from working through the lock-downs & replacing them with National Guard troops. Boy the fall from front line heroes sure evaporated fast & hospitals that can't do basic care a fine way to save lives, eh?
Al while prohibiting religious objections to the mandate. I guess that makes sense, if God Himself mandates the vaccine, who in their right mind could possibly object?
Just one story to illuminate how wrong the pro-vac reasoning is: my daughter is an unvaccinated nurse with naturally acquired antibodies (she had Covid in December). She managed to get a religious exemption to remain unvaccinated and keep her job. Three of her co-workers all just tested positive for Covid, 2 of them were vaccinated, the third was not. They had to list all their co-workers with whom they had contact, my daughter being one of them. Because she is unvaccinated, she cannot return to work for a week, but the vaccinated nurses can, even though 2 of sick nurses were vaccinated! No mention of naturally acquired immunity. AND one of the sick vaccinated nurses made the mistake of notifying her kid's school - now her children cannot return to school for 21 days! The obserdity of all of this mind-blowing.
It is a giant make work project for public sector" health" bureaucrats whose sole purpose is to make things as difficult for people to grind them down. Wonder why we cant get things booked, bought or moved?-- you just explained why in your comments. It will destroy the economy after it destroys peoples mental state.
One difference between Trump and Biden unfortunately does not redound to Biden’s credit:
Trump apparently did his best to help all Americans during the pandemic, making no distinctions as to party. Cuomo, a critic and Democrat who at that time was on the short list as a possible Presidential opponent, got ventilators and hospital ships from the T administration which vowed to help in any way needed. Gov. Newsom in CA was treated similarly. Contrast to Biden’s handling of monoclonal antibodies as it affects De Santis and other southern states. Punitive and vindictive. Somebody ought to tell President Biden it doesn’t help his reputation as an avuncular Mr. Nice Guy to treat fellow Americans that way.
The real dirty trick here is that originally, the shots were never sold as a preventative — which is why I've always objected to describing them as "vaccines" and still refuse to fall into that semantic trap.
I recall reading articles about the development/testing way back in the summer of 2020 that explicitly stated that the shots only reduced the potential for severe symptoms / hospitalization / death. IIRC, the thrust of the story was "Trump is overpromising on the vaccines, they won't actually stop infection." The media told the truth about the shots back when it served to undermine Trump.
That messaging all changed when the Biden administration realized that the truth wasn't selling and they wouldn't hit Biden's promised "70% injected by July 4" milestone. That's when they reversed course on the mask recommendations and social distancing for people who got the shots, and they began pushing the line that the shots are miracles that prevent infection entirely and will let us get back to normal.
They had to sell the sizzle and not the steak, because saying "you can still get sick if you get the shot, but it will reduce your (already low) chance of dying" isn't a winning message for an experimental drug with an unknown long-term safety record, especially for anyone already at low risk from the virus.
That narrative was always doomed, as anyone who has been paying close attention since the beginning knew. Breakthrough infections were always a feature, never a bug. And here we are.
We were moving very fast until April. I think people were amazed by how effective the vaccine was and didn't do a good job normalizing the population when there weren't that many vaxxed...that led to it being perceived as foolproof which it never was. Delta didn't change vaccines effectiveness against outcome but highly shifted it against infection (95% to 79%...both numbers high since vaccinated less tested partially since less symptomatic). At the same time, there was a press of misinformation that seemed to effect US more than only countries....it's been an odd year in US and there is a high level of paranoia and distrust in institutions. Nearing 700k dead. The vaccine is a hugely important tool to reduce deaths, burden on hospitals and risk on lockdowns.
The numbers dropped after April because most people in the high-risk pool had already gotten the shot by that point. The shot was a much harder sell to those at low risk once it became available to them. There is speculation that the J&J blood clot story caused the numbers to stall, but it seems more likely that the market for the shots just tapped out once the high-risk pool got their doses, because J&J is not the only option.
Regarding your last statement: "The vaccine is a hugely important tool to reduce deaths, burden on hospitals and risk on lockdowns." Serious question: Have you been reading Alex's reporting on this at all? Deaths and hospitalizations among those who got the shots have been steadily rising as the shots wear off. Hence the call for boosters. IIRC, it was reporting those exact facts that got Alex kicked off Twitter. At this point, the assertion that the shots prevent death or hospitalizations is questionable at best.
Also, simply because someone who got the shot and caught COVID only suffered "mild" symptoms does not imply that the shot prevented severe illness. Correlation does not imply causality. The vast majority of cases are mild, many are asymptomatic, and this has been true since the beginning. It's lazy thinking to credit the shots with reducing symptoms because plenty of people have mild symptoms without ever getting the shots. There's simply no way to know why any given individual experiences a mild case or a severe case, and there have been enough severe cases among the "double jabbed" to render the argument meaningless at this point.
Very well said. I would only add that the governments insistence on a vaxx only policy has also cost many lives of both vaxxed and unvaxxed due to the supression of early treatment interventions for those with severe disease.
Israel which Alex used as an example has today 775,000 unvaccinated (no jabs) over 20 years old (85% of Israel unvaccinated are under 50). This small grouping accounts for 73% of the severe cases today. There are many good sites now that normalize to vax vs unvaxxed population and break into age ranges that I can send you if interested. . Alex goes into high vax population and doesn't normalize or break into ranges to support a narrative. Send me a random country or state and I can show from current data the vaccine effectiveness against severe outcome. This is a substack where we discuss data. Everything is questionable and the raw data is the path to the answer. The reason I'm on Alex's site is it also dropped off because misinformation came at the US in a torrent. The rest of the world with their 6,3 billion shots didn't slow...they accelerated. I remember there being a number of people who would actually discuss data on this site..bikerchick was one..I probably remember because of the name. If you are interested in discussing the data, I'd love too. There are a number of items I struggle with (I don't know a good area to look to pull out data on people who have had coronavirus before since after vaccination status and age that would be the next factor I'd like to analyze in large populations.
Three layers of bodies to line American streets in the next year: bottom will be the real revolutionaries who will say NO to tyranny and be wiped out by leftist military minions, then the upper layer be the kneeling losers and non vaccinated brutally exterminated, and then the top being leftist irrelevants and inconsequentials Biden and elitist scum who think they can wipe out half or more of humanity.
Welcome to Thanos world view.
Frankly, wipe them all out, I look forward to if the meek have their turn…
The average covid-fearing sheep is so dumb and authoritarian loving, many of them would sell their children if the gov told them it would make them just a bit safer from the big bad virus. There is no end to this depravity. They cannot be reasoned with, which is why those who still want a return to 2019, need to think of something new. This is slavery and Spanish inquisition of our time. Too many people on our side still take it too lightly and hope that the Left, including its talking heads like Maddow, will have mercy and give up the most amazing political weapon they ever found in Covid - it ain't gonna happen, unless they are forced to.
"if the gov told them it would make them just a bit safer". Exactly. I had a beer with a lawyer friend yesterday. The sign on the door tells me to wear mask while I'm walking to my table, and then to remove it when sitting down. I laughed at this, and showed my friend a cartoon poking fun at this common, but completely irrational, policy. He did not laugh, but instead stated that the policy "probably" increased the safety a little bit, "somehow", but wasn't able to explain how. I pointed to the fans in the ceiling and told him that aerosols, especially aided by fans, were spread in the entire space, keeping the concentration quite even no matter where you are in the room. He remained unconvinced. Why? His need to believe the narrative, the belief that (apparently) makes him feels safe. This need is, it seems, what leads them to offer themselves at the altar. "Do what you will with me, as long as you keep telling me the comforting fairy tale that I'm safe." (Never mind the fact that they seek safety precisely from the entity that made them feel so unsafe in the first place...)
Covid is also why they are so brazen with other politics like money, immigration, Afghanistan etc., because they feel Covid is their kryptonite and makes them immune to defeat. The Right has been playing defense all along, and that's not working. It's time to go on the offense and give it a pejorative name that people can understand: e.g. Covidism and expose the political fraud in simple terms that average person can understand, which goes like: "Covid is the bubonic plague, and only we can save you."
As antibody dependency enhancement syndrome unfolds in the US (it is already happening). Madcow’s narrative will be to blame the un-inoculated for spreading the virus to the vaxxed. How is this for liberal lunacy? Facts no longer matter. Compliance is the agenda. It is shocking how many people bought into the medical dictatorship, and never asked questions.
My understanding is that ADE is unlikely, even in a case as poorly managed as this one. I am of the opinion, based upon what I have learned, that a vaccine this leaky, imposed this widely, particularly upon recipients with suppressed immune responses, is bound to result in breakthrough strains that could be more virulent and more transmissive as well. A rare virus two-fer! (If that is what you are defining as ADE, apologies.)
I think there is some intriguing evidence that neutralizing antibodies wane, and enhancing antibodies don't, in which case some sort of infection enhancement may already be occurring. Perhaps allowing infection to occur more easily among the vaccinated, but they may still have enough neutralizing antibodies left that they can still have some severe outcome protection. So I agree with Legallady that it may already be happening, but I also agree with The Wittster that it is not a super likely outcome. Nonetheless, wouldn't it be nice if scientists were actually investingating that risk? LOL.
Intriguing indeed. The best--and easiest for me to grasp--explanation I have heard was, "...the biggest threat to the vaccinated is posed by those vaccinated people who get infected & have difficulties with suppressing replication. Sooner or later these folks will give rise to more (vaccine) immune evading variants and severe disease in the most vulnerable vaccinated." H/T: a molecular biologist I follow on Twitter.
yep. I saw that. and I saw an illustration of how it can happen. there's two parellel 'spikes' sticking up each with the molecule on top that attaches to the ACE2 molecule.
But normally that molecule on top is kinda laid down horizontal like the top bar of a 'T' and the active bit is at one end.
Well the antibody binds to each of these spikes from a position in between them and draws them together a little bit causing the top 'bar' of each to stick up vertically a little bit more.
And that enhances its ability to bind to ACE2.
It's a simple change in shape. Very common in that world isn't it.
I believe Carol is claiming milder by way of reduction in the already low mortality rate. She didn't say anything later strains/mutations being non-deadly to susceptible individuals.
Vaccines are not "this leaky". None is 100 percent effective. Say that 10 times and take two aspirin and get vaccinated in the morning. It may save your life.
After all, the survival rate without the vaxxes is a mere 99.97%. You are in terrible danger!!! 90% of deaths are over age 70, median age of death is in the 80's, so if you are a young healthy person you need the vax RIGHT NOW! OR ELSE YOU ARE GONNA DIE! Piss off with your scare tactics.
Hospitals across the country are now reporting larger numbers of younger people being treated, admitted, and intubated. So, don't take a sensible precaution and you could be next. And, by the way, if you young fellas get covid and give it to granny or paw-paw and they die, tough luck for them.
Where is the evidence of this statement? Where is the proof? Your statement is total B.S. You are just regurgitating the lies that mainstream propaganda spits out on the TV. Site your source for the "larger number of younger people being treated, admitted, blah blah blah..." and don't use CNN or MSNBC, the Babylon Bee is more credible...
"At the start of the COVID-19 pandemic, reports indicated that the disease was mostly affecting older adults, and that young people were more likely to have milder cases of the disease.
"But according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), over the summer, in the United States, people under age 30 accounted for more than 20% of COVID-19 cases and were seen as more likely to transmit the virus than others. This trend has continued into the fall.
"Coronavirus infections requiring hospitalization are not only possible in younger adults, but the rate of these cases is increasing as the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus continues to spread. Lisa Maragakis, M.D., M.P.H., senior director of infection prevention at Johns Hopkins, sheds light on the new data."
My Dr, as she was impersonating Rachael Maddow, told me exactly the same thing 10 days ago. She left out the part about this vaccine being “leaky” negating it’s ability to actually do what PHARMA inferred when they said it was 96% effective. Grieving to hear an MD I have trusted for years try to “spin” me into getting the jab. I don’t trust her advice anymore
I just want to say this, when someone like me who is cheap, who never subscribes to anything, but just subscribed to this, you know this man is doing important work. So this is my story. A friend's ex husband got the covid vaccine a few months ago, he went to sleep that night not feeling well, he did not wake up the next day. Dead... In his late 40s, smoker, but definitely not obese. His ex still doesn't have a cause of death back. Now some people reading this might be saying to yourself oh he's lying he's just a troll. Folks, honestly I wish to God that was the truth, but the man got the vaccine and literally died within 24 hours.
Sorry about your friend. The next question is did his wife or doctor report it to VAERS? Part of the reason we keep hearing it’s safe and effective (apart from them not wanting us to believe otherwise) is because of the underreporting. Plus the fact that many are told their side effects are “normal.”
October 14-16th check out Covidcon21.com Its a 3 days summit with MD's working to implement protocols for early tx. Dr. Ealy and Dr. McCullough will be there. In person or online. These docs are doing fabulous work.
You are welcome Dana. These docs are doing all they can to heal their patients with their protocols. They think outside the box and listen to their patients which is not happening in mainstream medicine right now. What a terrible time for all of us.
You are welcome Kari. I don't want one more life to be lost d/t the politics and bureaucracy of this. It is literally breaking my heart and to all the blessed grandmas and grandpas and great grandparents and children lost. These docs are truly brilliant, think outside the box and desperately want to save lives. They risk their careers and reputations but realize they have to fight the good fight. May they be examples of courage under fire to the rest of us knowing that each of us may face the same sooner than we think. Our characters count more than ever now and we are truly preparing our legacies with each brave act and decision we make to stand for what is right and true and good.
BILL GATES, KLAUS SCHWAB, SOROS, ALL HAVE GOT TO GO. SOMETHING WICKED THIS WAY COMES AND THEY ARE BEHIND IT. KARMA CANT GET HERE SOON ENOUGH. IT CAME FOR EPSTEIN BUT NEEDS TO FINISH OFF THESE SCUM SUCKERS.
Most people don't care if it's true or not because they are brainwashed to assimilate the Big Lie. It's reinforced everyday. Wear a mask, wash you hands for 2 minutes, social distance, use hand sanitizer, COVID vaccines given here signs every store, clinic and some public spaces-even schools now, the vaccine will keep you safe, do it for GrandMa and the list of lies goes on. This has been pounded into the psyche of people around the world for over 18 months by social media, advertisements on our TV's, billboards, newspapers, benches near bus stops and of course establishments asking if you are vaccinated. The triggers that reinforce this are all over the place: bottles of hand sanitizer in just about any building you enter and people wearing masks. The idea of another lock down horrifies people-so they comply without thinking. These things are not to protect the public because there are enough studies that say they don't work, they are designed to impose social pressure on those that don't comply and to trigger that fear response created by the Big Lie in those who believe the lie. Fauci said this in an email dated February 16, 2020:
February 16, 2020 (000447) – Fauci tells CBS reporter that if the mortality turns out to be 0.2% to 0.4%, then SARS-CoV-2 should be treated like a severe seasonal flu. But when the case fatality rate was later revised to between 0.2% and 0.4% by the CDC, Fauci continued to act as if the virus was something far more dangerous.
Fauci had a change of heart because he & Bill Gates have financial interest in Moderna.
People have been conditioned like Pavlov's dog. Mask, hand sanitizer and the dreaded words "been exposed". This just happened in my home. My daughter got a call from her daughter's school saying she had been exposed to the virus a week ago and would need a PCR negative test to return to school. She called, told me and I just said ok. When she called her Dad, he hung with her and called his brother, who is a cancer survivor to cancel a golf outing they had planned for next month because he was "exposed" via our granddaughter. I asked him why and he said I'm possible exposed. My response was, wow-you have no other information and look how you're freaking out. I just shook my head. Hours later he approaches me and said , you know, I know all the propaganda and all the misinformation coming from the CDC and I basically jumped right into fear mode.
When you censor dissenting voices and pound a message 24/7 for almost 2 years, propaganda works and people don't even know it. That's how the Big Lie is believed.
If the vaccine works, why have a vaccine passport? If the vaccine doesn't work, why have a vaccine passport? - not my statement/question, someone elses, but thought it was a good one...
If I understand Dr. Wen correctly, she is saying that because the vaccinated carry such a much heavier load than the unvaccinated, that the unvaccinated are at risk from the vaccinated, and thus, they will overflow our hospitals when the catch the virus from the vaccinated. So they need to get vaxxed to avoid this scenario. Twisted pretzel logic, but that's what they specialize in.
"Because I said so! And you probably voted for Trump or Brexit, so the last thing we need is YOUR racist, flat-earth opinion around this town. So please, go back to your trailer, sit down, shut up. And, oh, take your medicine like a good little boy."
Calling on Americans to get vaccinated against Covid-19, Biden said, "If you're vaccinated, you're not going to be hospitalized, you're not going to be in the ICU unit and you're not going to die." In another exchange moments later, Biden said that even if vaccinated people do "catch the virus," they are "not likely to get sick."
But then, during a third exchange, Biden said that since the vaccines "cover" the highly transmissible Delta variant of the virus: "You're not going to get Covid if you have these vaccinations."
Biden has cognitive decline and it is so sad to watch. I do not agree with his politics at all. He needs to resign and spend the rest of any lucid time he has left with family and friends. Dementia is a terrible situation.
no truer words have ever been said. His tyranny has come to my livelihood. As a 22 year employee of AT&T i now must get the vaccine or be terminated, all thanks to Biden. I have until february to comply, April, if I take 2 months unpaid leave to reconsider. It boggles the mind. I worked these last 2 years, didnt miss 1 day of work sick. I see the virus as no threat to me. I never tke a flu shot, and had no interest in taking this pseudo vaccine or whatever it is. The tyranny is real.
I'm so sorry to hear this is happening to you. I know there is an Attorney in Florida, Jeff Childers is his name. He recently won a lawsuit to block mask and vaxx mandates the city of Gainsville was attempting to implement. He is organizing a group of attorneys across the country to push back. I hope they will be pushing back against employer mandates soon. Here's a link to the story
This is why the Black community is reluctant to take this crap! The blacks celebs that have taken are being paid by Pharma! Hype it up. I can’t watch the NBA, it’s a joke, but kudos to the players that say NO!
The vaccine clinical trial endpoint was prevention of symptomatic infection (the absolute lowest hanging fruit). The clinical trial was not designed or tested regarding 1) prevention of infection or 2) prevention of transmission.
Sure, it would be great if the vaccines prevented infection and transmission, but hope is not a strategy. And intentionally lying to a concerned populace is cruel, not kind.
The only way for these misleading and outright lying people to lose their power is for the rest of us to stop paying for this worthless and corrosive content.
Anyone,whether a governor,a writer or a celebrity, all suddenly experts with ZERO medical training and,in many cases,less brains than a frog,who recommends AGAINST THERAPEUTICS ,or overstates their alleged side effects, should, in my opinion, be tried for attempted murder. That is what happened in America as ALL northern states and many pharmacy chains would not allow HCQ to be prescribed,a safe drug which has a profound influence on Covid if given early. Yet many were sent home to die and we have no idea of those numbers. The idiotic notion that a vaccinated person can’t carry the virus is about as rati9nal as CRT. And the “cardiac effects” warbpned by the dumbass Gupta and others on MSM was a prolongation of what’s called the QT interval with no real symptoms. Compare that to the vaccine in teens causing THOUSANDS of cases of myocarditis to which they reply”it goes away”. THAT,friends is a lie and forcing 5his experimental MRNA vaccine, a concept never used before on children is extremely dangerous in my estimation. I speak as a member of two very difficult,elite boards of surgery with fifty years in practice so I’ve seen everything. This has been a man made attack of a bioweapon and ,by tithe time we get the proof, we will be under a government boot.
Unfortunately, being wrong and getting caught has not done anything to nuance their views (Fauci included). In the olden days, it was the role of the press to follow up... Alas, they have now become complicit...
My big realization in all this is that these people *like* being told what to do. It gives them a reason to be angry at those who choose not to follow the rules, and then they can shame them and finger-wag. They bond over a shared disdain for those of us who don't comply. Stay strong!
Yep, and where boys have a much harder time sometimes. Just saw a WSJ article talking about the huge drop off in college attendance by young men. No kidding - they spent countless years being finger-wagged and told they're "bad." Who signs up for more of that.
Sounds like Biden circa 4 months ago-he said precisely the same thing. Everything they say turns out not to be true, so why ever believe anything they say?
And every “doctor,” “scientist,” and political hack pushing the vaxxine narrative smiled and snickered to themselves knowing that what she was saying was a complete crock of shit.
Doctors out there thinking they will be spared if they go along with genocide, that meets those MDs terms who is irrelevant inconsequential and disposable…
When will she eat her words? Wow. I stopped watching her longer ago than that. When will these vaccine hucksters be forced to retract everything? When will “Saint Tony” be called on the carpet?
The real pandemic is not a pathogen, but rather a thick crust of lies, and too many human beings willing to accept them as the general backdrop of life, people willing to live within a lie. What's needed is the "virus of truth," spread by people willing to live within the truth, to give it free expression, human beings unwilling to sacrifice their identity and dignity to politics -- dissidents. Truth, that's a dreadful wellspring to the system.
Now that's exactly right. There truly is a vicious pandemic, a vicious virus spreading and destroying - but it's not covid - it's ignorance, malice, stupidity, blindness etc..
It amazes me the extreme length the news media will go to change their narrative and lie on the effectiveness of this vaccine. They will not say that those who have had COVID-19 have a greater immunity to Covid that those with the shot. Where are the numbers of people who have died from the vaccine? May God forgive us for the hate that is being pushed at us by family, friends & neighbors for political means when they don’t even know how they are helping a Satan driven political party to ruin this great country. I pray for the lost sheep daily.
The really insane thing is that so many people still believe what she said even though there are tons of news stories showing that highly vaccinated countries are getting hit with outbreaks. Further, vaccinated people are as likely to get infected and spread the disease as unvaccinated. Fauci and others claim the vaccinated have milder cases than the unvaccinated, but COVID cases are overwhelmingly mild, in general. So who knows if the vaccine is even helping with that.
Has Maddow been banned yet for her misinformation?
I believe with this going on that it’s important to be there for our parents and friends that are seniors. Many of them are usually bamboozled by the medical profession, when you need to think about what they are saying critically just like anything else. There are many tools of influence that are used as weapons.
Well I'm a 60-something senior that's not bamboozled ;) Don't sell all of us short. . .remember:
My parents were part of the 'polio generation'. My mother had a cousin that was disabled by polio, and both my parents grew up with people disabled by polio. Intelligent, critically thinking seniors know exactly what a vaccine is and what it's supposed to do. Aside from the seasonal flu, I can't think of a single disease with an available vaccine that isn't stopped by that vaccine- infection is prevented in the vaccinated person. Polio, smallpox, diptheria, measles, etc and etc, if you're vaccinated you can't be infected. Now here's the best part: when people started pointing this out the CDC changed their official definition of "vaccine." Just google and you'll find it, from reliable sources, here's one- https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article254111268.html
Soon after they announced that vaccinated people could still be infected with covid there was a video posted by a doctor where he said that whatever they are selling is, it's NOT a vaccine. The video was gone the day after I watched it, and I'm really sorry I didn't make note of his name because I don't remember it.
As long as people can communicate there's hope. My many years of experience and observation tell me that the truth always does come out. The problem is sometimes it takes a while and what happens in the meantime.
I did not mean as a general comment. I do, however, know many seniors who don’t ask questions. In dads case (90s). He couldn’t hear well at all and frequently misunderstood the Doctor.
One time a friend told him. Use a slow cooker. He told me he would buy a pressure cooker.
Even influential virologists who are doing the rounds on podcasts and such are now denying that vaccines for other diseases in the past have prevented infection for example https://mobile.twitter.com/profvrr
An old man goes to the doctor for his yearly physical, his wife tagging along. When the doctor enters the examination room, he tells the old man, "I need a urine sample, a stool sample and a sperm sample."
The old man, being hard of hearing, looks at his wife and yells: "WHAT?"
The elephant in the room is the Natural Immunity. I’ve not seen ANY data on the impact of taking the vax when you already have Natural Immunity. There is only medical OPINION by those who have the political motives.
On another topic, keep up the snark, Alex. We love it and it's funny. When things are this bad with the domination of the Church of Covid, we need some humor.
It's funny because I can't tell you how many posts I now read stating "Nobody ever said you wouldn't be able to get the virus if you get the vaccine. It's just to minimize symptoms and stop hospitalizations." Oh, yes, they did...
That’s because it was planned. The CDC stopped counting breakthrough cases on May 1. They’re not stupid, they thought they could hide the truth by having people like Rachel lye. Unfortunately, I think there are a lot more breakthroughs than was expected hence the it will keep you from getting severely ill. That hopefully will get noticed soon too. People can catch it, spread it, get long Covid, go to hospital, and die of Covid. But it also has a little extra benefit- all those side effects and I’d you don’t get them just wait. I’d bet the long term effects like cancer and autoimmune (maybe immune issues like ADE, etc) will be hitting the stage soon. The vax is suppressing the bodies immune function that protects one from cancer. That we’ve already been alerted to.
Oh and by the way Dr Seigel Fox News and many doctors said the same for about 2 weeks all over the news because of a very small study the CDC did. They all said if you get the vax you can’t spread it. There a tons of independent studies on Ivermectin. But if the CDC does it it’s golden. We need to get rid of all these lettered agencies and revamp.
It's truly hard to believe *how* wrong so many of these pundits have been. Demonstrably and unequivocally wrong. Do people who watch them or are influenced by them not remember this stuff? There's such a crazy cognitive dissonance going on that I can only attribute it to the extreme effectiveness of non-stop propaganda. When politicians and pundits whom I believed in sold the Iraq war and the aftermath - I remembered it. I remembered the things they said and did, even though it was painful to realize I voted for them/listened to them. With Covid I don't see people saying "wait a sec, I remember when Fauci et al said something the complete opposite less than a year ago . . . "
I think the sheer volume of "news" (in its broadest definition) is one contributing factor. Who can remember all the contradictory statements e.g. Fauci has made when most people can't remember what the had for breakfast? Our memories are also selective: what evokes strong emotions, what fits in with our pre-existing beliefs, what do we want to believe and remember? Just keep hammering the same points over and over and the details, illogic and contradictions will drown in the stream.
Their excuse has been (as this is popping up more) "The Science™ is always changing and we're now seeing that these don't prevent transmission. But they prevent you from being really sick and dying.", which has been shown to also be a lie, but that data hasn't really made the greater public eye yet.
The obvious question to retort with would be "If the long term efficacy was unknown, why weren't they held longer in testing to understand this?", but you can't question The Science™, so...
These are all the same people who squawked “I’ll never take that untested racist trump vaccine” about 12 mo ago.
Covid Vaccines "are safe and effective" is the biggest Conspiracy Theory ever told !!!
Tragic Story coming out of Michigan.......Vaccine Failure.
https://www.fox17online.com/news/coronavirus/grand-rapids-couple-dies-1-minute-apart-from-covid-19
Could proper front line Covid treatment have saved their lives; it looks like the standard protocol Failed, including the 100% ineffective vaccines.
It seems as though they were really good people who, along with the daughter, bought into the idea that the vaccine solves everything. At the risk of seeming insensitive, maybe they should have focused on their health and losing a lot of weight instead of depending on the vaccine. The daugher's anger is missplaced.
Obesity is the elephant in the Covid room.
https://markoshinskie8de.substack.com/p/npr-neodemocrats-newark-fear-animal
I think immobility is still a bigger factor. Fat or skinny immobility makes it easier for viruses to overwhelm you
Low vitamin D levels in those fat or thin easily fixed would save many trips to hospitals and lives.
The Lymphatic System can only circulate through movements of the body,that is why staying active is so Important for Immunity !!!
She wants to blame someone who it is politically okay to blame
Your risk of being insensitive is only met by the risk of nonvaccinated in highest age ranges (actually you probably beat them)
Key words: preexisting conditions.
When it became obvious about 18 months ago that Covid robs you of lung capacity, I started exercising. Went from getting winded up a flight of stairs to 2 marathons. Pre-existings need to be worked on. And the best part is that I not only survived the virus without much trouble, but chances of avoiding a whole lot of other killers got better too.
Wish others could be as smart and self-starting as you. (I am not being snarky, just stating the facts... and great job on improving your health! )
Yes.
https://markoshinskie8de.substack.com/p/the-covid-death-toll-is-phony
Great summary of the whole mess. Clear & concise. In my circle of friends, nobody has died with or of Covid. The two recent deaths were men in their 60s (one with heart problems) who took the shot, went home, took a nap, and never woke up. Nap nap to dirt nap. A friend in her forties was forced to get it for work and experienced heavy uterine bleeding and breast and underarm lumps. Her doctor told her that was "normal."
Sure. That all sounds completely normal.
😟
That was my immediate thought. If they had known that early treatment was available, they could have taken a course of early treatment that probably would have cost them $20 and saved their lives. It's so sad what's being done.
Also, this business of putting them right onto the ventilators is bad.
The doctors and hospitals are following (bad) suggested government treatment protocol and avoid liability by doing it that way instead of following a course that may have a much higher success rate.
Ventilation Kills !!!
Unfortunately, they were both overweight...and yes...early treatment probably still would have worked...but anyone who thinks the vaccine “works” is sadly mistaken...
Data doesn't work that way. The vaccines provide an order of magnitude protection against severe outcome. Pick a state or a country and I'll show you with the raw data. If we were at 95% over 50 vaccinated instead of 93% over 65+ with one shot, we'd see about half the covid deaths being vaccinated people...there just would be less. Is this a data substack? Pick a state or country, we can normalize the data and break into age ranges together and look at vaccine efficiency
All the while "early treatments" prevent most hospitalizations as is being done around the world. If fighting covid was an Olympic event the USA would not even be a contender and India would have all the medals.
In particular the Indian state of Uttar Pradesh, a little smaller than Michigan but with a population of over 200 million (more than half the population of the USA) is the world champion of fighting covid and it is done without vaccines... it is done with early treatment, something the CDC and WHO try very hard to forbid (as instructed by their big-pharma masters).
Think about how dense the population there is and yet they have a far lower rate of covid deaths than in the rich modern USA. According to https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths (as of 9-17-21), the USA is experiencing about 6 deaths/million... India is below 1/million.
India has 833 million covid vaccinations and are going up by 50 million per week. ....certainly the per week gets them the gold I watch 12 countries more closely than India.....I can take more of a look at India data this weekend...you were 3rd person to mention it. The little I've seen but not researched was their deaths were massively underreported in some regions...that is Google level knowledge not research...can start some research on it and post back Sunday.
Look at Uttar Pradesh in India
When you say "provide an order of magnitude protection against severe outcome", can you clarify how long this level of protection lasts? I have a lot of questions about the data but I'd most like to understand what you believe the order of magnitude protection is when comparing a group of people say 5+ months post-vaccination to unvaccinated. If the vaccinated group is anywhere from 1 day to 8 months post-vaccination then I don't see how the data is very useful since most people seem to acknowledge that the vaccines provide some level of protection for some period of time.
Rob C, I believe after reading a couple of posts that made it sound like people were saying covid didn't exist and vaccine wasn't at all effective that I may have had the wrong read on the what the substack had become. I didn't realize it was an understood that vaccine had order of magnitude benefit so was stressing it. When I normalize to vaxxed and unvaxxed population I'm going into them at this point for the last month of data usually (to make sure I catch it with full Delta) and breaking it out in age ranges. Pfizer has the best real world data on it out of Israel and the best booster data. Moderna it is harder to get a read on that Pfizer but appears to last longer. It's a good question that deserves more than my mind can do at 1:47am thinking about working at 7am. I'll see what I can see on Pfizer on the Israel data. Note, I also haven't figured out a way to adjust for people having had covid..if you see a place that tracks data that way, please let me know. Have a good night
If your goal is to truly understand the benefits of the vaccines (vs simply looking to shape the data to promote the vaccines) then there are lots of issues with the data in my opinion. Considering natural immunity in the vaccinated group is one and as mentioned previously considering days or months post-vaccination is another. If any comparison includes people recently vaccinated then that is going to paint the vaccinated group in the best light when the reality over time may be very different. There are also questions about the definition of "vaccinated" as it relates to the data and how many partially vaccinated people are included in the unvaccinated groups (should be zero in my opinion). I also have questions about including people that die with covid and not from covid. In a perfect (and not so political) world we'd have the data to make adjustments to get a more accurate comparison and then we'd be able to compare those results to all cause deaths for the same groups.
Also, note that the people that decide how the data is collected (and not collected) and the people that collect the data overwhelmingly have a vested interest in the success of the vaccines. They promote the vaccines, they take the vaccines and many of them profit from the vaccines. They risk being embarrassed, losing credibility and losing money if the vaccines aren't everything they predict they will be. This is why we see them every day giving statistics that may be true for a moment in time and pretending that they know the future. 95% effective as if they just knew they would be 95% effective forever. Safe and effective as if they know how safe and how effective the vaccines will be in 1 year or 5 years. The vaccines allow you to return to normal life without masks, with little to no chance of spreading the virus. Reduces serious illness, hospitalization and death as if they know how long and as if they know what happens when that protection goes away. In an environment where the truth was the highest priority no one would accept this kind of recklessness but it's clear that the truth isn't the highest priority. That isn't to say that I don't believe that the vaccines are a valuable tool in the fight against covid. The problem is that once you realize how much the data is being manipulated and once you realize how the push to vaccinate everyone actually gets more aggressive as the vaccines are consistently proven to be of less value than previously thought, the only reasonable position is to question the data and the agenda. So far, the people questioning the vaccine propaganda have been right far more often than those pushing the propaganda. That may change over time but therein lies the real problem... we need more time to have any real confidence in any of this but despite clear evidence that the vaccines aren't preventing the spread of the virus (the one thing they needed to do to justify the aggressive actions), they don't want to give people time which adds to the doubt about the real motivation here.
Me, I like "the vaccine is The Mark of the Beast" (Rev 13:16-18) the best.
Shouldn't you be with your buddies inciting a riot somewhere and then blaming it on Patriots?
Why not look at the videos of 'patriots" from the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers and their ilk assaulting the Capitol Police. Look at the bios of those arrested and charged (and pled guilty and were sentenced) and you will see these "patriots" were wild animals unleashed by Your Dear Leader. Return to reality, Bliss Boy
It was an FBI sting on people who were rightly concerned about election fraud.
Most those arrested had no priors and were charged with parading and nonviolent offenses. Feds did not seem to catch their friends who broke windows and assaulted police.
Liar.
Why not do the whole playground thing, Pro? "Liar, liar, pants on fire, Nah Nah Nah." You can do better. I hope.
Once the "Vaccine Tracking Chip" is fully implemented, I would have to agree.
I am awash in nanoparticles.
Use a magnet to test your theory.
Like the lady who claimed the vaccination made her magnetic and showed a key clinging to her?
Guess you're vaccinated.
666 all the way, baby. Lock your doors at night....
If anyone has pre-pubescent boys, yes indeed lock your doors to prevent Valerie Fellow Dog from violating them
Not everyone posting here qualifies as a mature and thoughtful person. Some insist on childish comments that do them no honor -- and add nothing to the discussion.
Oh No for all those fully vaccinated.......
Fauci changes the definition of 'fully vaccinated' to include booster shots
"It is likely, for a real complete regimen, that you would need at least a third dose," Fauci said.
Here comes the Booster Campaign!!
I guess Vaccine mandates will follow accordingly with Booster dead lines or be fired !!
WHEN DOES IT STOP ?
What I want to know is by what authority does Fauci decide how many shots is fully vaxxed?
The bigger conspiracy is that an invisible virus that has NEVER been isolated and purified magically infects people, causing a disease. The lie is decades long, and a lot of the silenced drs and scientists have been trying to expose the facts.
Plandemic is one of the largest ever told. 6.2 billion shots in and Trumps warp speed is getting derailed by what Trump calls deranged anti covid vaccine pseudoscience
Absolutely true
Trump correctly said the vaccines were saving the country and frankly the world recently.
Wrong !!
Are you claiming Donald Trump did not say that or are you claiming Trump was wrong when he said it?
Who exactly said that? In your head, bro.
Kamala Harris in the VP debate for one!
I found these in less than 30 seconds using a search engine, which I recommend you try sometime. /s
https://www.facebook.com/DailyCaller/videos/3692755494158709/
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/democrats-balked-at-coronavirus-vaccine-under-trump
The common theme in those comments was that faith in the vaccine depends on approval by the scientific experts in the FDA, not a political statement alone. The comments reflect a lack of faith in Bleach Man, not in the vaccine when finally approved by the scientific process we have come to trust.
The "vaccine" currently in use is still under an EUA and has not been "approved," only Comirnaty, which is not currently available, has been approved. This was a legal head fake by the FDA to suck in people like you who continue to display their ignorance and belief in the good will of global predators.
and Comirnaty is the only one where you can sue for damages if hurt by vax, that is why they do not want it on the market. Do they really think we are all so daft that we do not see what is going on????
I think Big Pharma is protected, no matter. Congress gave them that little gift in the 80’s.
You cannot sue for comirnaty either
Exactly!
Mouser, you are correct. Trials for the current vaccine will not be done until 2023 at the earliest. And yes, the “approved” vaccine has not been available yet.
YESSSSSS!!!
Brilliantly put
You misread what I was saying.
Gee, they put the Pfizer in my arm last week.
Hi VYD. Respectfully even if we do not see eye to eye, I am truly glad you did not suffer any deleterious side effects. You have a differing opinion than most on here, including me, but it takes a lot of guts to take the heat. I want us all to remember that we are of the same human family and most of us are good hard working people putting one foot in front of the other every day. At the end of the day, debate is a good thing and we should always remain open minded and follow our gut instincts. We are at war with one another and it hurts my heart. I wish the best for you and your family as I do for all my compatriots on here. We can't let America be destroyed from the inside out. She has always been a shining beacon in the world and I for one don't want us all to lose that.
Gee, I guess I was mistaken when I got the Comirnaty booster the other day. It is indeed available.
The branded product? I had not heard that it was in volume manufacture. The bottle actually had that name or was that what you were told?
The scientific process... You mean the one that's still not discovered how effective ivermectin is for covid? The IFL Science types have turned science into an idol. You have zero idea what science is.
One of the problems is Nirvana fallacy...it's a belief that when something isn't perfect, it isn't good. A second is that proving something statistically with a P<0.05 is difficult. I was disappointed in the Aug 25th Brazil trial on Ivermectin. I'm definitely interested in the Principle trial from UK in December. I was more hopeful on the data but of course we should continue to all hope for the best vaccine and the best treatments we can reach together
Times for continued open minds in science. There are probably multiple successful strategies that can be employed. There may not be a one size fits all. If Ivermec works, great, if inhaled H2O2 works. great, if shaking hands with a Yeti works, great. Whatever it takes to help ourselves and our international community survive and ensure the next generations thrive and can live under the banner of freedom.
"The common theme in those comments was that faith in the vaccine depends on approval by the scientific experts in the FDA, not a political statement alone. The comments reflect a lack of faith in Bleach Man, not in the vaccine when finally approved by the scientific process we have come to trust."
But the people at the FDA were the same over both administrations. So you should have "trusted" them regardless of who's president.
Also, even though I am no fan of his by a long shot, it wasn't under Trump that those "scientific experts" quit in protest over the politicization of the vaccine rollout. . .
I always trust the actual scientists at the FDA and CDC. But not necessarily the political appointees (of whatever stripe). And it is well documented that under Trump his political operatives in the White House and elsewhere tried to slant, spin, and corrupt the CDC reporting. Look it up.
That said, I did not approve of Biden getting out ahead of the experts on booster shots -- and we don't know who counseled him so to do.
There are no unalloyed heroes.
46% of the FDA's budget comes from Big Pharma. From...https://www.fda.gov/about-fda/fda-basics/fact-sheet-fda-glance
"About 55 percent, or $3.2 billion, of FDA’s budget is provided by federal budget authorization. The remaining 45 percent, or $2.7 billion, is paid for by industry user fees."
How can their be any semblance of trust when the FDA's funding comes from the very entities it is designed to regulate. Helps explain why 1/3 approved drugs is eventually pulled from the market over safety or efficacy concerns.
Whether individual scientists are complicit or innocent is not the issue. The appearance of corruption and the observed failures of the FDA in terms of drug recall proves the point. The FDA is basically the Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval for Big Pharma. Both are bought and paid for by the companies that receive those seals. The American public would be better off if the FDA was disbanded, or if the FDA was fully funded by the American taxpayer.
the fda voted 16-2 against giving the 'booster' jab. then a political appointee at the cdc approved it. so the actual scientists are against the 'booster'. how is it you say you are trusting the scientists and not political appointees?
"And it is well documented that under Trump his political operatives in the White House and elsewhere tried to slant, spin, and corrupt the CDC reporting."
If you think boosters is the only place the Biden group has done exactly this, then I suggest you look again. Denial of natural immunity, withholding alternative/early treatments, "spinning" data to conform with their predetermined policy goals, etc. The list goes on.
The common theme is a blinding hate for anything Trump no matter what the actual merits of the things are.
Trump said the vaccine is saving the country and frankly the world recently and warned people against deranged anti covid vaccine pseudoscience
Mike are you a scientist or a doctor?
Then why didnt they ask the fda and cdc to make a non partisan statement of support for the vaccine? It seems like they did the political math and decided to use the vaccine as a political attack... using intentionally broad attacks to hurt Trump and betting they could 180 it after the election with acceptable loss of life.
You're trying your best.
Thank you.
You should ask for a raise.
Kamala Harris, for one.
"Asked at Wednesday's vice-presidential debate whether she would take a vaccine approved by the Trump administration before or after the election, Harris said she'd be the "first in line" to take the vaccine if health experts like Dr. Anthony Fauci recommended it.
"If the public health professionals, if Dr. Fauci, if the doctors tell us that we should take it, I'll be the first in line to take it, absolutely. But if Donald Trump tells us that we should take it, I'm not taking it," Harris said."
That's hardly what you are claiming she said. Oh, and how many of you ran out and drank bleach and shoved a UV light down your gullet because Trump thought it might be a good idea. And Hydroxychloroquine is still unproven in any reputable study. Now, about your horse dewormer....that is actually being studied right now, but I would suggest you wait a while.
He never said anything about drinking bleach or swallowing a UV light. That's a lie, and you're a liar.
The Mamet Principle: In order to continue advancing their illogical arguments modern liberals have to pretend not to know things. - David Mamet
For an example of said principle: see Valley Yellow Dog
"So, supposing we hit the body with a tremendous -- whether it's ultraviolet or just very powerful light -- and I think you said that that hasn't been checked, but you're going to test it. And then I said, supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way, and I think you said you're going to test that too. It sounds interesting...
"...Right. And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be interesting to check that. So, that, you're going to have to use medical doctors with. But it sounds -- it sounds interesting to me.
You need to get away from your left wing sources. This internal UV light was under development prior to Trump's comments that the left moronically turned into "drink bleach".
https://aytubio.com/pipeline/healight-technology-platform/
There's also an inhaled 'disinfectant' under development.
Explain, exactly, where he told people to drink bleach or swallow a UV light.
As I said - you're a liar.
Regarding the bleach nonsense...Trump was reacting to a report from the DOD that found that UV light killed/denatured COVID rapidly, something like 15 seconds. This was the context in which Trump said something to the effect that it would be great if we could somehow get UV light...NOT BLEACH...into the body to accomplish what UV light was demonstrated to do externally.
Ivermectin has been used here in the US for years, off label for scabies and pinworms, works for Covid too. Just wait… Pfizermectin is just around the corner, they tweak the molecule and rename it. I know ~ 35 years in pharmacy.
Ivermectin at the doses it was used has been used over 3.7 billion times worldwide with a good safety profile. Always ask your doctor before taking medication and obviously the dose is important. I don't know if it works. Was more hopeful before some recent studies but the December study from UK Principle has 34k people and hopefully will show statistical significant. While it's not close to the 6.2 billion doses of covid vaccine, 3.7 billion is still a ton
Mike are you a physician or scientist?
I think you're right. I've heard it elsewhere. Figures. Bottom of the whole noisy, clamorous, turbulent, chaotic mess: simply money.
I don't understand why in this thread no one has mentioned the Flccc.net - Dry Kory's 'front line criticical care' and his insistence that saves from death routinely hundreds of patients with Ivermectin and that there's over 60 studies vouching for it and Uttar Predesh Stat in India solved their covid problem with it?
Uttar Pradesh has had over 100 million vaccine shots (mostly first shots). I'm interested in Ivermectin and looking forward to results on all 6 drugs in the Principle UK trial in December (and was disappointed that the Aug 25th study from Brazil didn't prove it out). I'm not as familiar with India than other countries but keep on seeing it being mentioned and will look at more this weekend. Believe there are 27 studies showing no impact. A number showing positive impact. The best p I saw was 0.19...which is interesting. For comparison though the vaccine has an incredible p<0.000000001. Under 0.05 to be statistically proven but with 34k in the Principle study we should see one way or another in December
Works for rosacea, too, but not proven to work for Covid. Being studied, so give credit to that.
It worked in India. Story heavily suppressed
Anecdotally, it works. But I’ll stop there, I don’t have time for a pissing match.
""If the public health professionals, if Dr. Fauci, if the doctors tell us that we should take it, I'll be the first in line to take it, absolutely. But if Donald Trump tells us that we should take it, I'm not taking it," Harris said.""
Have you ever stopped to think how moronically political this would have been? If Trump said take it and Fauci says no, who benefits? If Fauci said yes, and Trump said no? If they both said yes?
It's nonsensical because they were nakedly political statements, just as their flip flop was nakedly political in nature.
horse dewormer? now you're letting your bias show.
Ivermec works, had a friend who had early tx with it and some other things and stayed out of hospital. She has recovered quickly!
Its been used successfully by humans many times for a different condition. It is 3.7 billion plus doses with a good safety profile vs 6.2 billion covid doses with a good safety profile. Vaccine proven to p<0.00000001. Have seen p=0.19 on Ivermectin and hoping like heck the Principle trial out of UK in December finds it or something else positie.
Valley Yellow Dog
This is what former President Trump was referring to:
Sponsor:
Cedars-Sinai Medical Center
Brief Summary: This pilot study will assess the safety and effectiveness of UV light treatment in hospitalized patients with COVID-19.
UVA Light Device to Treat COVID-19 - Full Text
Viewhttps://clinicaltrials.gov › show › NCT04572399
Thanks. I stand informed. Too bad it sounded strange when he said it. Politicians ought not to play scientist or doctor (and that applies across the political spectrum I freely admit).
Sigh --read all the replies to you above-- then tell us you stand informed.
a lot of things sounded strange when Trump said them. because he's intelligent and witty and he'd jump from one thought to another and one slant to another - catching the slow, uninformed flat footed wondering what the hell he was talking about.
which their often moronic mates were only too happy to tell their version of.
Oh, stop it. You knew, or could have looked this up, yet you troll and troll
Find another place to troll
Providing actual facts rather than fantasy is hardly "trolling". Truly, in this land of trolls, the one-eyed gal is queen.
Your Trump obsession is showing. Does your arm get tired holding up his photo while the other hand is busy?
What "facts" have you provided?
Fraudci, expert at vaccine failures
Stop trolling you KNOW all the lefties were saying that. More Gas lighting from idiots.
Now, actually, I don't know "all the lefties" were saying any one thing. Ever. That is more a characteristic of the radical right. Right?
I have receipts and screenshots, but you have terminal TDS so I won’t bother trying to help
Saying " you have terminal TDS" solves all your problems. Now, if there were a vaccine for TDS, would you mandate it?
TDS is so vile, so all encompassing and deadly to the mind and soul, and infectious that if the infected weren’t so wasted they wouldn’t need it mandated, it would sell itself
How ungracious. And here I have been helping you.
Oh geez really? Not everyone is black and white like you. Some of us are medical professionals who actually know what we are talking about. Others of us are not as rigidly us and them-- if that's what you want so you can feel virtuous-- try another blog. Troll.
Oh, uh sorry, I guess…thank you? 🧐
Wrong.
Evidence?
Evidence is there-- just read the many replies to your incomplete at best disinformation. Find a new place to troll and pick a fight.
Where's yours?
Madcow quote: It`s a piece of information that we have needed. Today we got it. We all know already if you get vaccinated, that vaccine will basically prevent you from getting sick with COVID, it will prevent you from going to the hospital with COVID symptoms, prevent you from dying with COVID. Great, good for you.
Here's the link so you can read the transcript for yourself:
https://www.msnbc.com/transcripts/transcript-rachel-maddow-show-3-29-21-n1262442
Both the left and the right played into a Nirvana fallacy potentially accidentally and both by not normalizing the data. Early on when few were vaxxed, the 99.9 % postings came out. Now people like Bereson go into countries where 95% of their 50+ population is vaxxed...expect he'll do it here next year too...93% of 65+ with first shot not high enough for him to play games. You're on Bererensons site...want to take a look at what he posted about Israel about 6 weeks back...you want to ask for someone to correct, ask Berenson
Hard to follow what you are suggesting here, but I'm interested. Can you elaborate? I like Alex, but I've noticed he tends to drop topics, just like the news media (India, Florida), when they start to go the way he doesn't like.
When you heard 99.9% of the people hospitalized in 2021 were unvaccinated around April, I don't think people were trying to mislead.....it was obvious that the vaccinated were having huge protection. The numbers however did not normalize for the vaccinated vs unvaccinated populations....it was never 1000 to 1 or 100 to 1 benefit. Unintentionally, it fed into a Nirvana fallacy (when we say something that isn't perfect isn't good) because that replace the 70% that we were originally shooting to at least get on vaccine. They should have divided out the population between vaccinated and unvaccinated (and broke into age ranges since severe outcome highly tied to age). Alex does the opposite of that where he'll go into populations where 95% of population 50+ is vaccinated and won't normalize and break into age ranges to make it look like vaccine isn't effective.....or at least that's what I perceive. It looks like a cherrypicked narrative.. I'm referencing if you give me a random country or state, I can go into current data, normalize it to percent of population that is vaccinated/unvaccinated and break it it age ranges and it'll show the vaccine reduce severe outcome by order of magnitude. I'm really annoyed at Berenson for a nursing home article he put out January that convinced a few 80 year olds that I know not to take the vaccine because it was going to kill them like that nursing home in Europe.....never saw him come back....6.25 billion shots in to say that he overstated....they haven't had the shot until this day and the next 6 months with Delta look especially rough for older people that haven't have coronavirus. You'll see the age range of effected drop by 20 years but that is likely because of the higher vax rates of older populations. It's not a problem to make a mistake in data analysis..in 30 years I have...many times. It is a problem to continue a narrative without recognizing that path information was wrong and then doing your best to correct the past information and take the lessons learned to improve your future projections or assessments
I don't just "listen to Berenson". I have looked at the data from Israel and the UK and it is not a slam dunk for either position. The data can get complicated because you have different variant waves hitting populations at different times and then boosters being added in the case of Israel. In Florida, where I live we are coming out of delta. Our data will be skewed because we have had monoclonal antibody sites that have been set up all over the state. They have been heavily used and in many cases, Broward County for example, 60% of the patients were fully vaxxed, 73% over 65 that used that site were fully vaxxed. Those treatments kept people out of the hospital and kept them from dying, but if this is not taken into consideration it can skew the numbers. A statistician can say, well the vax worked. Data can be manipulated to support a number of desired outcomes depending on ones bias. Scientists should be examining all of the variables. I am interested to see how the winter months will play out in the North since it appears there is definite seasonality at play. My issue with the booster plan is that the scientists @ the FDA did not recommend broad use of the boosters because the data was not yet there on effectiveness & safety and then the CDC decided to make a political move and overrule them. As I stated before. I think they are concerned that the winter will bring a delta surge in the highly vaxed Northern states and that without boosters there will be many serious break through infections and it will be harder for them to blame the vaccine uptake. The data from Israel seems to support this. I'm not against helping people with the boosters, but I feel many more people would be helped if they would highlight treatment regimes from front line doctors that are working and use monoclonal antibodies as well. I feel they are stuck in a vax only strategy and there is far more going on that has nothing to do with saving lives.
I'm better with data than with politics. I had thought the only disconnect was whether it should be offered to frontline workers under 50. When I look at he data, the first think I do is to normalize within vaxxed and unvaxxed population. The second thing I do is break into many age ranges..there is substantial relationship to severe outcome (rough, double every decade). The third I would do but don't know how to do is to try to account for people who have had covid before and I'm looking if anyone has found a state our country that breaks that out. On your example, I wouldn't combine and county and compare to another county, I would combine the vax and age status. Because it's order of magnitude it shows past the noise...at least the 50+ times I've done it with the raw data. Do that breakdown using first normalizing population and breaking into age ranges make sense to you as a way to try to assess vaccine effectiveness.....there are 10 other factors at least but those there is data that breaks it out and it's prime.
I'm not sure that I understood your post b/c it has a lot of typos. The point I'm trying to make is that this shouldn't be political, but I feel the CDC and the establishment of "captured" scientists are cherry picking data to try to bolster their view that the vaccines are highly effective and justify draconian mandates. Therefore, I'm not interested in narrowly focused analysis based solely on vaxxed/unvaxxed, level of disease, and age stratification. If life saving treatments such as monoclonal antibodies aren't examined as a contributory effect the data will be skewed. Unfortunately, we have a situation where it is difficult to obtain data on break through cases and the severity of them. Currently, if a break through case results in death when the patient is not in hospital it is not counted. The data is important, but all factors that are occurring around the world need to be evaluated including VEAs both from US (VAERS) & elsewhere (UK Yellowcard example) to get an accurate picture of vaxx efficacy and safety.
Mike are you a physician" Scientist?
Masters in aerospace engineering. Have done data analysis last 30 years.
TDS rots the brain
Jo Jo Magoo, Cackles Harris, I think Fauxcahontas too.
So, that was a quote?
Kamala Harris VP debate 2020: "If the public health professionals, if Dr. Fauci, if the doctors tell us we should take it, I'll be the first in line to take it, absolutely. But if Donald Trump tells us that we should take it, I'm not taking it. Contrast that now to Biden threatening people's livelihoods telling them to "GET VACCINATED", and lying to them that it's "safe, effective, and convenient" and that if they get the vax they "won't get sick from Covid". It seems that it's ok to be wary of a vax if Donald Trump is in power and suggests people take it, but not if Joe Biden is in power and threatens people if they don't.
President Biden has the backing of the FDA, the CDC, and every reputable virologist and epidemiologist here and abroad. It is safe, effective, and convenient as witnessed by the experience of millions and millions of people here smart enough to get vaccinated. Or witnessed sadly by the 670,000 dead Americans.
The FDA, CDC, and "every reputable virologist and epidemiologist here and abroad". This is laughable and patently false. They are all captured regulatorily speaking by Big Pharma and Fauci. If you had bothered to watch the FDA advisory committee hearing recently you would have witnessed that there are many independent scientists, virologists and epidemiologists that are concerned about the safety signals that are being ignored as well as the loss of efficacy over time of these vaccines and lack of evidence to suggests boosters will be safe or effective. They declined to approve the booster for everyone. What did the Biden administration through CDC director Walensky do? She ignored the narrow recommendation of the SCIENTISTS to approve the boosters only for the elderly and immune compromised and broadened it to include basically anyone who wants one, all so they can continue pushing more boosters in hopes of staving off a huge level of break through cases this winter in the heavily vaxxed Northern states. If the vax is so effective, then why are boosters needed and why be wary of the unvaxxed. You know the answer, you're just not big enough to admit it.
Kari, don't waste your breath. He/She has the right to their opinion but in much of his/her talking, thinking is half murdered.
The data out of Israel is compelling. To have 73% of the current severe cases in the 775k unvaccinated Israelis over 20 is compelling especially sine unvaccinated skew much younger and bad outcomes skew much older. I would have likely done 50+ on the boosters but see the case for what was done. I would have done that to keep the focus on the older since pre vaccine causing ages to drop (since the older are more vaccinated) 83% of deaths from covid were 65+
So why do you (or maybe you don't) get a flu shot every year? To make Dr. Fauci happy and the drug companies richer?
Everyone should stop saying that "it is safe and effective" without having the same caveats that every drug ad on TV has to have. It can have side effects in some people, including very serious ones, and long term effects cannot be known with any certainty. The fact that the same agencies that require that warning for every single drug out there, including aspirin and Tylenol, and won't issue it for the new vaccine makes some of us nervous about how much political pressure is being brought to bear. The fact that the most recent recommendations by the FDA with respect to the booster were overridden by a political appointee doesn't help with that.
Covid Vaccines "are safe and effective" is the biggest Conspiracy Theory ever told !!!
Everyone should stop responding to trolls here.
I'm on here to connect with like minded people, not to get into fights Twitter style. I feel you all are here for the same thing. Let's preserve this community and not devolve into negativity. PLEASE everyone! These threads are saving my sanity. Thank you.
One thing I really don't understand is with the reporting structure for an EAU and 392 million doses given, how there can't be randomly more VAERS entries. Go back to 2019 before covid came and made 2020 have 504k more deaths than any year in US history. Total deaths were about 7700 a day and 23% were heart disease.....how do we not have more random overlap even if there were zero negative effects?
Please come and troll my articles, you can start with this one, but be sure to read it all the way through first as well as the source I cite:
https://wholistic.substack.com/p/if-theres-one-thing-you-need-to-read
I enjoyed reading it.
Read it. Thanks. I do find much alternative medicine has value -- but I'll take my vaccinations when they are indicated.
Great read!
LOL!!! you are FULL of MSM bs stats. Good god-- find a health professional (maybe one who was threatened to be vaccinated-- they will have time) to set you straight. God good 🤣
Yes.
A vaccine that wouldn't be available if not for the herculean efforts of...President Trump.
It's risible how you enthusiastically and often beclown yourself by your presence here.
Trump was a unwitting dupe in the warp speed saga!! We are in this vaccine mess because he put the vaccine production on steroids using tax payer money!! Neither party gives a F..K about the American People (except at election time) !!!
Covid Vaccines "are safe and effective" is the biggest Conspiracy Theory ever told !!!
I give full credit to President Trump and his administration for Operation Warp Speed. The funding and guarantees provided by OWS were critical to bringing the vaccines so rapidly to our arms. The effort built on the work over decades by the medical research community, but were brought to us by truly Herculean efforts by the pharmaceutical companies under the administration's program.
And with all those efforts led by Your Hero, you won't stick your arm out and get a shot? So, "the herculean (sic) efforts of...President Trump" were all for naught? You are in a logical pretzel, my friend.
Covid Vaccines "are safe and effective" is the biggest Conspiracy Theory ever told !!!
Here's a question, It's not my question; I think the answer is worth considering...
"What if leading healthcare “experts” are psychologically motivated to generate widespread suffering?"
And you can include elected officials and the MSM & Local News in the answer.
I wish you well. The world that exists in your head is not real. In general, most people are good. This logic extended would mean you would never go to a doctor...never vote...never believe information. Healthy skepticism and checking data that you are given makes sense but living with this world view does not
I wish you well, too!
They wouldn't be here if they weren't frightened of what he writes and the huge numbers of us who believe him.
You want big numbers? TOTAL CASES
43,169,823
+106,794 New Cases
7 DAY CASE RATE PER 100,000
226.9
TOTAL DEATHS
691,517
+1,850 New Deaths
CDC | Data as of: September 29, 2021 4:36 PM ET. Posted: September 29, 2021 5:40 PM ET
Also from the CDC
Annually:
Covid survival rate - 99.7%
Abortion survival rate - 0.0%
In the last decade:
Covid deaths - less than 700,000
Abortions - more than 7,000,000
Covid survival rate is not 99.7%. The death numbers are right...is your point that 700k deaths isn't a big deal...it's about 240 911's or 15 times the US casualties of Vietnam. How can anyone reference 700k dead in US as not a big deal?
" How can anyone reference 700k dead in US as not a big deal?"
Because it isn't. About 8 million people die annually in the US.
Excess deaths have indeed been higher, but not double or anything outrageous.
58,000 young men in the prime of their lives die violently, while hundreds of thousands of elderly are killed by Democrat governors, not the same thing
How can you characterize 7 million dead babies as ‘not a big deal’?
Do you see how this works?
You believe a massive lie. Show me the virus in an isolated purified state that causes Covid-19. How long do you need?
Mike, what do your Communist friends in China say what the survival rate is? We want to make sure all our ships are sailing in the same direction. Thank you, comrade.
Amen.
https://markoshinskie8de.substack.com/p/npr-neodemocrats-newark-fear-animal
Both Cases and Deaths numbers listed above are 250% higher than same week one year ago which had no vaccines available. How does that fit the vaccine is "effective" narrative?
Shouldn't we be seeing smaller numbers since 2/3rds are fully vaxxed and 3/4 with 1st shot per CDC data?
To state your case stronger, use that 93% of 65+ have at least one shot. It breaks down though since when you normalize the data and break out into age ranges, you see the vaccine giving an order of magnitude protection. Delta is rough. It's far more transmissible and looks to be twice as bad for outcome. We'd be beating the Jan spike which was twice as high right now without the vaccine. Twistertim, I'd like you to thank the last 5 presidents who contributed to the vaccine for the reduced deaths from what we'd be seeing. Thanks in advance
Delta is more contagious and far less lethal in the unvaccinated. Countries with low vaccination rates are having a better time dealing with Delta. The current spike would be much lower had we all stayed unvaccinated. Viruses do not mutate to deadlier strains, it goes against natural selection to survive and replicate. Even Ebola has mutated to less deadly versions since the original outbreak. The first outbreak is always the worst !!
LOL, the last five presidents. Figures Mike would say this. Let's also thank the last couple of Chinese dictators.
There’s a big difference between dying ‘from’ Covid and dying ‘with’ Covid. Why did you choose not to write the number of those who died ‘from’ Covid!’? Is it because it’s less than the number of people who have died from the Covid vaccines??
Add me to the list. I have yet to meet one single person who has had it. Vaccinated or not, nobody. Including anyone they know.
I think people are hip to this game they've played it out.
Amen.
https://markoshinskie8de.substack.com/p/the-covid-death-toll-is-phony
I have CKD and several other underlying conditions. If I am driving my Boxster down the road and you run into me with your F-150, are you going to tell the judge that it was my CKD that killed me? This is one of the most specious arguments I have seen here. There are responsible posters here. Study and emulate them.
No. 2020 504k more people died in US that any year in US history. It was in waves of total deaths that coincided with covid waves. You can see it in any state data if you don't trust compiled data. This is a data substack..this is easy to check and has been for sometime. Where are the people that used to be on this site that correctly were pushing back when the "other side" wasn't normalizing data?
"504k more people died in US that any year in US history. It was in waves of total deaths that coincided with covid waves"
How can you say this with such certainty when it often takes years to correct/normalize flu deaths? It's not so simple.
True.
https://markoshinskie8de.substack.com/p/the-covid-death-toll-is-phony
now do the Vaers reports
CV death tolls are phony.
https://markoshinskie8de.substack.com/p/the-covid-death-toll-is-phony
in 2020, 504k more people died in US than in any year in US history. Total deaths were in waves that matched covid waves. This BS stopped coming out from most in March of 2021..the new misinformation is about going into countries where 95% of their 50+ population are vaccinated and not mention that...but instead give that there is a split between vaxxed and unvaxxed. Just wanted to get you the fresh misinformation approach.
When a pathogen has been circulating for 2 years now, classing people as vaxxed vs unvaxxed doesn't make sense. It is better to classify immune vs naive.
When claiming the vax has saved the day, how are you normalizing for broad natural immunity that clearly exists at this point? Why has India seen its outbreak drastically decrease with less than 20% of the population vaccinated?
You believe it's the vax because you want to believe it's the vax. It might, but it also might not be.
When I was a kid, they only lived under bridges. Yes, now they are everywhere -- like Covid-19.
Sophia, you don't believe covid 19 is widespread? That seems an odd view. Is this a data substack?
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html
DONT FEED THE TROLL
Oh but it's so much fun watching yellow dog foam at the mouth.
Calm down, Carol. You don't have to read what I say. Actually, please don't. If might lead to cognitive dissonance, for which there is no vaccine.
NYT invented Propaganda !!
How about Johns Hopkins, brother? See US and global maps here: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
ah yes, Johns Hopkins, the arbiters of SPARS 2025-2028. comforting stuff
The best comment I have seen that elucidates the stupidity of the MSM and government spin around this vax came from a retweet on Bret Weinsteins' feed. I cannot remember the author but to paraphrase the quote "soon they'll be blaming people who've never taken antibiotics for antibiotic resistance" One has to wonder if any of these people have even passed a high school biology class.
“The protected need to be protected from the unprotected by forcing the unprotected to use the protection that didn’t protect the protected.” Got it.
I like Stacey Washington's quote: "For the first time in history, a medication's ineffectiveness is being blamed on those who have not taken it ."
If we just got EVERYONE to take antibiotics all at once, then we would eliminate bacterial infections forever.
Germ theory is just that, a theory. We do WAY more harm “disinfecting” with toxic chemicals and injecting humans with poison than any bacteria will ever do to us on its own.
Yup welcome to my world. Every patient I have to explain this BS about how unvaccinated can give vaccinated people the virus. Its ridiculous and exposes how pathetic science education is.
Alex, what this class of corrupt, political, and power-thirsty pseudo-elites ought to be telling people is the actual truth: that the half-life of facts in Medicine is in the range of 5-10 years. In other words, every 7 years or so on average, 50% of what medical experts claim are proven to be false. And that includes some very well-esdablished, century-long medical facts that have withstood the test of time. If you single out novel medical topics such as COVID-19, that half-life will be likely to drop down to a few weeks at most. As a published scientist and academician myself, I can tell you that this concept is absolutely pivotal to any attempts at understanding published "science". Humility is key. Those dumb mediatic pseudo-elites literally make a fool of themselves when they start pontificating this way on national TV. But, hey, I guess this is what their job is all about, endless cheerleading for their political overseers. Besides, if they were to admit the real uncertainties surrounding this topic, how could they then justify mandates? They couldn't, hence the need for dumb, tyrannical dogmatism.
" Humility is key." We don't know what we don't know. This has been a foundational element of risk analysis for centuries. Now it seems that too many people "know" everything because the "experts" told us so.
you mean " endless cheerleading for their financial backers"
This is also what good ol’ Governor Inslee said back in the spring. He said “the vaccine stops the vaccine dead. Get vaxxed”. Of course we now know that it does not stop it dead, even in a recent interview with Fauci he said vaccinated can get it AND spread it yet in WA state thousands of state and healthcare workers are getting fired for refusing the vaccine even though IT DOES NOT PREVENT SPREAD
Yes! This!! It is completely irrational. Therefore we know it is not about public health at all. It is about the passport and control.
Sad, sad, sad. It is not completely effective. Never been so claimed. Now, why do states with higher vaccination rates have lower infection rates? Pure chance? Or because blue hearts are truer?
There's a regional seasonality to the virus that likely contributed to red states, which tend to be southern states (i.e., hot in the summer), having more cases over the last few months. The same was true in 2020 when the vaccine didn't exist.
The opposite trend exists on the international level. You can prove this out by cross-referencing the NYT's list of most vaccinated countries with cases per Our World in Data. It's almost the norm for highly vaccinated countries to have had their biggest spikes (over very close to it) deep into their vaccination campaigns. Israel is the one that gets the most attention, but it's not alone.
This seasonality makes me wonder if winter could be really rough in the northern states? Especially with rolling out boosters that may push the vulnerable over the edge to death. So many questions. So much suppressed data. And so much refusal to even look at these questions.
"This seasonality makes me wonder if winter could be really rough in the northern states?"
It should do the same, unless broad immunity exists (which it probably does.)
The main difference will be that the NYT won't have a full blown panic attack over an ICU bed increase of 20 to 30 in NY this time. . .
Vaccines and boosters will reduce death and hospitalizations...you'll still see alot of cases. The midwest will be hit hard. The south when hit after they did about 5 million doses in Texas/Florida in a month to take them into better position....the other areas of the country are mostly waiting for the extra deaths to hit them before they react.
This flu season will be very interesting.
Israel as of Tuesday had 73% of their severe cases in the 775k people that were over 20 and unvaccinated. Feel free to send a few, I can show you how Alex misleads using Simpsons paradox. Spoiler -- Normalize for vaccinated/unvaccinated populations and break into age ranges to constantly see an order of magnitude benefit to severe outcome
Dance, monkey, dance
Thank you Taco. Let's refuse to dance with monkey.
I will take that pledge
Enron accounting for cases helps add to the confusion. Revised COVID guidelines record folks under 14 days from second dose of vaccine as unvaccinated & rates of infection counted by PCR positive a meaningless metric.
They did claim, whose who receive it, wouldn't get Covid. Really, blue hearts.
Nirvana fallacy. The goal was to get to 70% effective. When it got to 95%, it was a party. If "they" was saying, "they" was wrong. If you told me this effectiveness a year ago and 6.25 billion doses worldwide and I'd do a happy dance. If you said I would be on a site at 1am because US was stumbling badly to 392 million at that point, I would not be happy dancing....
What's especially wild about healthcare workers getting fired for not getting the shot is that the vast majority of them likely have natural immunity. It's pure insanity.
yes, it's so sad but the National Guards can do better, I'm being funny here
I live in Wa. Lots of public service announcements on TV and on billboards “to go get vaxxed! It is safe and EFFECTIVE.”
Same in NY. They're touting all the extra testing the vax had to go through in order to be licensed by the FDA. The lying is off the charts.
Yet that "vaccine" isn't on the market yet 🤣🤣🤣
I know! The brainwashing is so thorough, the lying so blatant, that anyone who consumes any type of mass corporate media is bound to believe what they're told. The matrix is real. We really are inhabiting two different realities.
Covid Vaccines "are safe and effective" is the biggest Conspiracy Theory ever told !!!
same here in Illinois- blue hearts!
When he speaks he is lying
always, from the very beginning
Inslee is culling everybody who's not obedient.
Whoever is left will carry out nearly any order.
How about NY gov hochul proclaiming God wants you to take the vaccine and tells her believers to become her apostles. It’s more like Satan and his minions.
She probably has a St. Fauci candle too
Threatening to fire 72,000 NY health care workers, many w natural immunity from working through the lock-downs & replacing them with National Guard troops. Boy the fall from front line heroes sure evaporated fast & hospitals that can't do basic care a fine way to save lives, eh?
Al while prohibiting religious objections to the mandate. I guess that makes sense, if God Himself mandates the vaccine, who in their right mind could possibly object?
The Pope does.... I can't speak for God but God made math and the statistics say to get vaccinated
Keep your wits about you people; they are going to do this with everything: lockdowns, masks, asymptomatic spread, vaccines, etc.
So I echo Alex's sentiment: Do not let yourself be gaslighted.
Damn right. Stand firm everyone
Just one story to illuminate how wrong the pro-vac reasoning is: my daughter is an unvaccinated nurse with naturally acquired antibodies (she had Covid in December). She managed to get a religious exemption to remain unvaccinated and keep her job. Three of her co-workers all just tested positive for Covid, 2 of them were vaccinated, the third was not. They had to list all their co-workers with whom they had contact, my daughter being one of them. Because she is unvaccinated, she cannot return to work for a week, but the vaccinated nurses can, even though 2 of sick nurses were vaccinated! No mention of naturally acquired immunity. AND one of the sick vaccinated nurses made the mistake of notifying her kid's school - now her children cannot return to school for 21 days! The obserdity of all of this mind-blowing.
It is a giant make work project for public sector" health" bureaucrats whose sole purpose is to make things as difficult for people to grind them down. Wonder why we cant get things booked, bought or moved?-- you just explained why in your comments. It will destroy the economy after it destroys peoples mental state.
One difference between Trump and Biden unfortunately does not redound to Biden’s credit:
Trump apparently did his best to help all Americans during the pandemic, making no distinctions as to party. Cuomo, a critic and Democrat who at that time was on the short list as a possible Presidential opponent, got ventilators and hospital ships from the T administration which vowed to help in any way needed. Gov. Newsom in CA was treated similarly. Contrast to Biden’s handling of monoclonal antibodies as it affects De Santis and other southern states. Punitive and vindictive. Somebody ought to tell President Biden it doesn’t help his reputation as an avuncular Mr. Nice Guy to treat fellow Americans that way.
The "Mr. Nice Guy" was always a facade.
You can review the extensive compendium of video out there that reveals his corrosive, vitriolic personality.
Great point.
The real dirty trick here is that originally, the shots were never sold as a preventative — which is why I've always objected to describing them as "vaccines" and still refuse to fall into that semantic trap.
I recall reading articles about the development/testing way back in the summer of 2020 that explicitly stated that the shots only reduced the potential for severe symptoms / hospitalization / death. IIRC, the thrust of the story was "Trump is overpromising on the vaccines, they won't actually stop infection." The media told the truth about the shots back when it served to undermine Trump.
That messaging all changed when the Biden administration realized that the truth wasn't selling and they wouldn't hit Biden's promised "70% injected by July 4" milestone. That's when they reversed course on the mask recommendations and social distancing for people who got the shots, and they began pushing the line that the shots are miracles that prevent infection entirely and will let us get back to normal.
They had to sell the sizzle and not the steak, because saying "you can still get sick if you get the shot, but it will reduce your (already low) chance of dying" isn't a winning message for an experimental drug with an unknown long-term safety record, especially for anyone already at low risk from the virus.
That narrative was always doomed, as anyone who has been paying close attention since the beginning knew. Breakthrough infections were always a feature, never a bug. And here we are.
We were moving very fast until April. I think people were amazed by how effective the vaccine was and didn't do a good job normalizing the population when there weren't that many vaxxed...that led to it being perceived as foolproof which it never was. Delta didn't change vaccines effectiveness against outcome but highly shifted it against infection (95% to 79%...both numbers high since vaccinated less tested partially since less symptomatic). At the same time, there was a press of misinformation that seemed to effect US more than only countries....it's been an odd year in US and there is a high level of paranoia and distrust in institutions. Nearing 700k dead. The vaccine is a hugely important tool to reduce deaths, burden on hospitals and risk on lockdowns.
The numbers dropped after April because most people in the high-risk pool had already gotten the shot by that point. The shot was a much harder sell to those at low risk once it became available to them. There is speculation that the J&J blood clot story caused the numbers to stall, but it seems more likely that the market for the shots just tapped out once the high-risk pool got their doses, because J&J is not the only option.
Regarding your last statement: "The vaccine is a hugely important tool to reduce deaths, burden on hospitals and risk on lockdowns." Serious question: Have you been reading Alex's reporting on this at all? Deaths and hospitalizations among those who got the shots have been steadily rising as the shots wear off. Hence the call for boosters. IIRC, it was reporting those exact facts that got Alex kicked off Twitter. At this point, the assertion that the shots prevent death or hospitalizations is questionable at best.
Also, simply because someone who got the shot and caught COVID only suffered "mild" symptoms does not imply that the shot prevented severe illness. Correlation does not imply causality. The vast majority of cases are mild, many are asymptomatic, and this has been true since the beginning. It's lazy thinking to credit the shots with reducing symptoms because plenty of people have mild symptoms without ever getting the shots. There's simply no way to know why any given individual experiences a mild case or a severe case, and there have been enough severe cases among the "double jabbed" to render the argument meaningless at this point.
Very well said. I would only add that the governments insistence on a vaxx only policy has also cost many lives of both vaxxed and unvaxxed due to the supression of early treatment interventions for those with severe disease.
Israel which Alex used as an example has today 775,000 unvaccinated (no jabs) over 20 years old (85% of Israel unvaccinated are under 50). This small grouping accounts for 73% of the severe cases today. There are many good sites now that normalize to vax vs unvaxxed population and break into age ranges that I can send you if interested. . Alex goes into high vax population and doesn't normalize or break into ranges to support a narrative. Send me a random country or state and I can show from current data the vaccine effectiveness against severe outcome. This is a substack where we discuss data. Everything is questionable and the raw data is the path to the answer. The reason I'm on Alex's site is it also dropped off because misinformation came at the US in a torrent. The rest of the world with their 6,3 billion shots didn't slow...they accelerated. I remember there being a number of people who would actually discuss data on this site..bikerchick was one..I probably remember because of the name. If you are interested in discussing the data, I'd love too. There are a number of items I struggle with (I don't know a good area to look to pull out data on people who have had coronavirus before since after vaccination status and age that would be the next factor I'd like to analyze in large populations.
Yes indeed, thank you. Communists rewrote history and few know of the tens of millions killed because the schools do not teach it
Three layers of bodies to line American streets in the next year: bottom will be the real revolutionaries who will say NO to tyranny and be wiped out by leftist military minions, then the upper layer be the kneeling losers and non vaccinated brutally exterminated, and then the top being leftist irrelevants and inconsequentials Biden and elitist scum who think they can wipe out half or more of humanity.
Welcome to Thanos world view.
Frankly, wipe them all out, I look forward to if the meek have their turn…
The average covid-fearing sheep is so dumb and authoritarian loving, many of them would sell their children if the gov told them it would make them just a bit safer from the big bad virus. There is no end to this depravity. They cannot be reasoned with, which is why those who still want a return to 2019, need to think of something new. This is slavery and Spanish inquisition of our time. Too many people on our side still take it too lightly and hope that the Left, including its talking heads like Maddow, will have mercy and give up the most amazing political weapon they ever found in Covid - it ain't gonna happen, unless they are forced to.
"if the gov told them it would make them just a bit safer". Exactly. I had a beer with a lawyer friend yesterday. The sign on the door tells me to wear mask while I'm walking to my table, and then to remove it when sitting down. I laughed at this, and showed my friend a cartoon poking fun at this common, but completely irrational, policy. He did not laugh, but instead stated that the policy "probably" increased the safety a little bit, "somehow", but wasn't able to explain how. I pointed to the fans in the ceiling and told him that aerosols, especially aided by fans, were spread in the entire space, keeping the concentration quite even no matter where you are in the room. He remained unconvinced. Why? His need to believe the narrative, the belief that (apparently) makes him feels safe. This need is, it seems, what leads them to offer themselves at the altar. "Do what you will with me, as long as you keep telling me the comforting fairy tale that I'm safe." (Never mind the fact that they seek safety precisely from the entity that made them feel so unsafe in the first place...)
Great story--
Covid is also why they are so brazen with other politics like money, immigration, Afghanistan etc., because they feel Covid is their kryptonite and makes them immune to defeat. The Right has been playing defense all along, and that's not working. It's time to go on the offense and give it a pejorative name that people can understand: e.g. Covidism and expose the political fraud in simple terms that average person can understand, which goes like: "Covid is the bubonic plague, and only we can save you."
I agree
As antibody dependency enhancement syndrome unfolds in the US (it is already happening). Madcow’s narrative will be to blame the un-inoculated for spreading the virus to the vaxxed. How is this for liberal lunacy? Facts no longer matter. Compliance is the agenda. It is shocking how many people bought into the medical dictatorship, and never asked questions.
My understanding is that ADE is unlikely, even in a case as poorly managed as this one. I am of the opinion, based upon what I have learned, that a vaccine this leaky, imposed this widely, particularly upon recipients with suppressed immune responses, is bound to result in breakthrough strains that could be more virulent and more transmissive as well. A rare virus two-fer! (If that is what you are defining as ADE, apologies.)
I think there is some intriguing evidence that neutralizing antibodies wane, and enhancing antibodies don't, in which case some sort of infection enhancement may already be occurring. Perhaps allowing infection to occur more easily among the vaccinated, but they may still have enough neutralizing antibodies left that they can still have some severe outcome protection. So I agree with Legallady that it may already be happening, but I also agree with The Wittster that it is not a super likely outcome. Nonetheless, wouldn't it be nice if scientists were actually investingating that risk? LOL.
Intriguing indeed. The best--and easiest for me to grasp--explanation I have heard was, "...the biggest threat to the vaccinated is posed by those vaccinated people who get infected & have difficulties with suppressing replication. Sooner or later these folks will give rise to more (vaccine) immune evading variants and severe disease in the most vulnerable vaccinated." H/T: a molecular biologist I follow on Twitter.
Robert Malone refers to it as Vaccine Enhanced Response.
Dr. Malone would know better than any of us!
yep. I saw that. and I saw an illustration of how it can happen. there's two parellel 'spikes' sticking up each with the molecule on top that attaches to the ACE2 molecule.
But normally that molecule on top is kinda laid down horizontal like the top bar of a 'T' and the active bit is at one end.
Well the antibody binds to each of these spikes from a position in between them and draws them together a little bit causing the top 'bar' of each to stick up vertically a little bit more.
And that enhances its ability to bind to ACE2.
It's a simple change in shape. Very common in that world isn't it.
Breakthrough strains/mutations of the coronavirus are always milder, it is the nature of the coronavirus strain.
Not so. A few with breakthrough infections have died (one person I had met) and others have been in intensive care. Be careful with "always".
I believe Carol is claiming milder by way of reduction in the already low mortality rate. She didn't say anything later strains/mutations being non-deadly to susceptible individuals.
Vaccines are not "this leaky". None is 100 percent effective. Say that 10 times and take two aspirin and get vaccinated in the morning. It may save your life.
After all, the survival rate without the vaxxes is a mere 99.97%. You are in terrible danger!!! 90% of deaths are over age 70, median age of death is in the 80's, so if you are a young healthy person you need the vax RIGHT NOW! OR ELSE YOU ARE GONNA DIE! Piss off with your scare tactics.
Dont feed the troll
Hospitals across the country are now reporting larger numbers of younger people being treated, admitted, and intubated. So, don't take a sensible precaution and you could be next. And, by the way, if you young fellas get covid and give it to granny or paw-paw and they die, tough luck for them.
Where is the evidence of this statement? Where is the proof? Your statement is total B.S. You are just regurgitating the lies that mainstream propaganda spits out on the TV. Site your source for the "larger number of younger people being treated, admitted, blah blah blah..." and don't use CNN or MSNBC, the Babylon Bee is more credible...
Dont feed the troll-- when he doesn't get the attention he wants he will find another sand box to play in.
"At the start of the COVID-19 pandemic, reports indicated that the disease was mostly affecting older adults, and that young people were more likely to have milder cases of the disease.
"But according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), over the summer, in the United States, people under age 30 accounted for more than 20% of COVID-19 cases and were seen as more likely to transmit the virus than others. This trend has continued into the fall.
"Coronavirus infections requiring hospitalization are not only possible in younger adults, but the rate of these cases is increasing as the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus continues to spread. Lisa Maragakis, M.D., M.P.H., senior director of infection prevention at Johns Hopkins, sheds light on the new data."
My Dr, as she was impersonating Rachael Maddow, told me exactly the same thing 10 days ago. She left out the part about this vaccine being “leaky” negating it’s ability to actually do what PHARMA inferred when they said it was 96% effective. Grieving to hear an MD I have trusted for years try to “spin” me into getting the jab. I don’t trust her advice anymore
She wants to keep her country house
😆 Perfect
No one is afraid of a kooky fool. The credible truth-tellers are the ones they are scared of. Stay the course, you are keeping us sane
Imagine a vaccine so safe you have to be threatened to take it, for a disease so deadly you have to be tested to know you have it.
Amen.
I just want to say this, when someone like me who is cheap, who never subscribes to anything, but just subscribed to this, you know this man is doing important work. So this is my story. A friend's ex husband got the covid vaccine a few months ago, he went to sleep that night not feeling well, he did not wake up the next day. Dead... In his late 40s, smoker, but definitely not obese. His ex still doesn't have a cause of death back. Now some people reading this might be saying to yourself oh he's lying he's just a troll. Folks, honestly I wish to God that was the truth, but the man got the vaccine and literally died within 24 hours.
Sorry about your friend. The next question is did his wife or doctor report it to VAERS? Part of the reason we keep hearing it’s safe and effective (apart from them not wanting us to believe otherwise) is because of the underreporting. Plus the fact that many are told their side effects are “normal.”
October 14-16th check out Covidcon21.com Its a 3 days summit with MD's working to implement protocols for early tx. Dr. Ealy and Dr. McCullough will be there. In person or online. These docs are doing fabulous work.
Thank you for sharing!
You are welcome Dana. These docs are doing all they can to heal their patients with their protocols. They think outside the box and listen to their patients which is not happening in mainstream medicine right now. What a terrible time for all of us.
Thank you for sharing this. All of the Dr.s like Dr. McCullough and all of the people like you who share this information help to save lives.
You are welcome Kari. I don't want one more life to be lost d/t the politics and bureaucracy of this. It is literally breaking my heart and to all the blessed grandmas and grandpas and great grandparents and children lost. These docs are truly brilliant, think outside the box and desperately want to save lives. They risk their careers and reputations but realize they have to fight the good fight. May they be examples of courage under fire to the rest of us knowing that each of us may face the same sooner than we think. Our characters count more than ever now and we are truly preparing our legacies with each brave act and decision we make to stand for what is right and true and good.
Thanks
It’s about The Great Reset, Boss
When we stop the Vaccine Passports,
we stop The Great Reset.
No Vaccine Passport
No Social Credit System
No Great Reset
https://twitter.com/therobotwatcher/status/1441807819880161280?s=21
BILL GATES, KLAUS SCHWAB, SOROS, ALL HAVE GOT TO GO. SOMETHING WICKED THIS WAY COMES AND THEY ARE BEHIND IT. KARMA CANT GET HERE SOON ENOUGH. IT CAME FOR EPSTEIN BUT NEEDS TO FINISH OFF THESE SCUM SUCKERS.
Alex - You are a Light in the Darkness. Outstanding. Tom
Most people don't care if it's true or not because they are brainwashed to assimilate the Big Lie. It's reinforced everyday. Wear a mask, wash you hands for 2 minutes, social distance, use hand sanitizer, COVID vaccines given here signs every store, clinic and some public spaces-even schools now, the vaccine will keep you safe, do it for GrandMa and the list of lies goes on. This has been pounded into the psyche of people around the world for over 18 months by social media, advertisements on our TV's, billboards, newspapers, benches near bus stops and of course establishments asking if you are vaccinated. The triggers that reinforce this are all over the place: bottles of hand sanitizer in just about any building you enter and people wearing masks. The idea of another lock down horrifies people-so they comply without thinking. These things are not to protect the public because there are enough studies that say they don't work, they are designed to impose social pressure on those that don't comply and to trigger that fear response created by the Big Lie in those who believe the lie. Fauci said this in an email dated February 16, 2020:
February 16, 2020 (000447) – Fauci tells CBS reporter that if the mortality turns out to be 0.2% to 0.4%, then SARS-CoV-2 should be treated like a severe seasonal flu. But when the case fatality rate was later revised to between 0.2% and 0.4% by the CDC, Fauci continued to act as if the virus was something far more dangerous.
Fauci had a change of heart because he & Bill Gates have financial interest in Moderna.
People have been conditioned like Pavlov's dog. Mask, hand sanitizer and the dreaded words "been exposed". This just happened in my home. My daughter got a call from her daughter's school saying she had been exposed to the virus a week ago and would need a PCR negative test to return to school. She called, told me and I just said ok. When she called her Dad, he hung with her and called his brother, who is a cancer survivor to cancel a golf outing they had planned for next month because he was "exposed" via our granddaughter. I asked him why and he said I'm possible exposed. My response was, wow-you have no other information and look how you're freaking out. I just shook my head. Hours later he approaches me and said , you know, I know all the propaganda and all the misinformation coming from the CDC and I basically jumped right into fear mode.
When you censor dissenting voices and pound a message 24/7 for almost 2 years, propaganda works and people don't even know it. That's how the Big Lie is believed.
no one is counting the cost is the problem.
the only counting we have is the highly suspect and often completely false 'covid death' figures.
we need daily figures on 'intervention' costs, deaths, illnesses, bankruptcy et...
Sundtra Gupta's 'collateralglobal.org' site has a number of categories we could/should use.
If the vaccine works, why have a vaccine passport? If the vaccine doesn't work, why have a vaccine passport? - not my statement/question, someone elses, but thought it was a good one...
“The protected need to be protected from the unprotected by forcing the unprotected to use the protection that didn’t protect the protected.” Got it.
If I understand Dr. Wen correctly, she is saying that because the vaccinated carry such a much heavier load than the unvaccinated, that the unvaccinated are at risk from the vaccinated, and thus, they will overflow our hospitals when the catch the virus from the vaccinated. So they need to get vaxxed to avoid this scenario. Twisted pretzel logic, but that's what they specialize in.
so its the unprotected need to be protected from the protected.
so the protected are actually being given a weapon.
and the story is we all must be armed.
that should play well into the future.. decades and decades... just keep giving weapons...
Yep, that's the one. That's how the future will see our attitude.
"Because I said so! And you probably voted for Trump or Brexit, so the last thing we need is YOUR racist, flat-earth opinion around this town. So please, go back to your trailer, sit down, shut up. And, oh, take your medicine like a good little boy."
Joe in a townhall 2-3 months ago. From CNN:
Calling on Americans to get vaccinated against Covid-19, Biden said, "If you're vaccinated, you're not going to be hospitalized, you're not going to be in the ICU unit and you're not going to die." In another exchange moments later, Biden said that even if vaccinated people do "catch the virus," they are "not likely to get sick."
But then, during a third exchange, Biden said that since the vaccines "cover" the highly transmissible Delta variant of the virus: "You're not going to get Covid if you have these vaccinations."
Again, HOW do people not recall this? It was from THIS SUMMER?!?! (or late spring??)
July 23.
Biden has cognitive decline and it is so sad to watch. I do not agree with his politics at all. He needs to resign and spend the rest of any lucid time he has left with family and friends. Dementia is a terrible situation.
I can't scrape together enough pity to fill a thimble for Biden. His policies are ruining thousands of lives.
no truer words have ever been said. His tyranny has come to my livelihood. As a 22 year employee of AT&T i now must get the vaccine or be terminated, all thanks to Biden. I have until february to comply, April, if I take 2 months unpaid leave to reconsider. It boggles the mind. I worked these last 2 years, didnt miss 1 day of work sick. I see the virus as no threat to me. I never tke a flu shot, and had no interest in taking this pseudo vaccine or whatever it is. The tyranny is real.
I'm so sorry to hear this is happening to you. I know there is an Attorney in Florida, Jeff Childers is his name. He recently won a lawsuit to block mask and vaxx mandates the city of Gainsville was attempting to implement. He is organizing a group of attorneys across the country to push back. I hope they will be pushing back against employer mandates soon. Here's a link to the story
https://www.theepochtimes.com/attorney-behind-defeat-of-local-vaccine-mandate-in-florida-gathering-national-lawyer-group_4021367.html
I know it may not be the avenue everyone wishes to or can pursue. My deepest regrets on your plight.
I am so sorry to hear of your plight. Clearly, this has nothing to do about a virus. Something very evil is afoot.
Hang in there. May God bless and guide you, Jim.
LOL under interrogation she will say it all depends on what the meaning of 'the' is. Maybe she was talking about the virus that no longer exists.
This is why the Black community is reluctant to take this crap! The blacks celebs that have taken are being paid by Pharma! Hype it up. I can’t watch the NBA, it’s a joke, but kudos to the players that say NO!
The vaccine clinical trial endpoint was prevention of symptomatic infection (the absolute lowest hanging fruit). The clinical trial was not designed or tested regarding 1) prevention of infection or 2) prevention of transmission.
Sure, it would be great if the vaccines prevented infection and transmission, but hope is not a strategy. And intentionally lying to a concerned populace is cruel, not kind.
The only way for these misleading and outright lying people to lose their power is for the rest of us to stop paying for this worthless and corrosive content.
And to ignore them-- like the troll on this thread.
Absolutely Carol, ignoring them is the best approach. No outrage, no clicks, no ad money. The goal being to make them completely irrelevant.
Agreed, it took me a while, but I've learned my lesson!
Anyone,whether a governor,a writer or a celebrity, all suddenly experts with ZERO medical training and,in many cases,less brains than a frog,who recommends AGAINST THERAPEUTICS ,or overstates their alleged side effects, should, in my opinion, be tried for attempted murder. That is what happened in America as ALL northern states and many pharmacy chains would not allow HCQ to be prescribed,a safe drug which has a profound influence on Covid if given early. Yet many were sent home to die and we have no idea of those numbers. The idiotic notion that a vaccinated person can’t carry the virus is about as rati9nal as CRT. And the “cardiac effects” warbpned by the dumbass Gupta and others on MSM was a prolongation of what’s called the QT interval with no real symptoms. Compare that to the vaccine in teens causing THOUSANDS of cases of myocarditis to which they reply”it goes away”. THAT,friends is a lie and forcing 5his experimental MRNA vaccine, a concept never used before on children is extremely dangerous in my estimation. I speak as a member of two very difficult,elite boards of surgery with fifty years in practice so I’ve seen everything. This has been a man made attack of a bioweapon and ,by tithe time we get the proof, we will be under a government boot.
“This has been Leni Goebbels reporting from the broom closet of the Ministry of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda.”
Unfortunately, being wrong and getting caught has not done anything to nuance their views (Fauci included). In the olden days, it was the role of the press to follow up... Alas, they have now become complicit...
My big realization in all this is that these people *like* being told what to do. It gives them a reason to be angry at those who choose not to follow the rules, and then they can shame them and finger-wag. They bond over a shared disdain for those of us who don't comply. Stay strong!
Perhaps that is the result of the reward system perpetuated in the public school system where, above all compliance is taught and hugely rewarded ?
Yep, and where boys have a much harder time sometimes. Just saw a WSJ article talking about the huge drop off in college attendance by young men. No kidding - they spent countless years being finger-wagged and told they're "bad." Who signs up for more of that.
2020 taught me that if they silence someone, that person is telling a truth that damages the agenda, and I want to know that truth.
Dam right...
Sounds like Biden circa 4 months ago-he said precisely the same thing. Everything they say turns out not to be true, so why ever believe anything they say?
The hospital is dangerous given the treatment protocol.
Russiagate Rachel is one of the most moronic ACTUAL conspiracy theorists on television.
But, hey! She had his inculpatory tax return.
LMAO
And every “doctor,” “scientist,” and political hack pushing the vaxxine narrative smiled and snickered to themselves knowing that what she was saying was a complete crock of shit.
Doctors out there thinking they will be spared if they go along with genocide, that meets those MDs terms who is irrelevant inconsequential and disposable…
They need to recall that doctors were hung at Nuremberg.
Maddow is just symptom of a very, very, very broken nation of "non-thinkers."
When will she eat her words? Wow. I stopped watching her longer ago than that. When will these vaccine hucksters be forced to retract everything? When will “Saint Tony” be called on the carpet?
The real pandemic is not a pathogen, but rather a thick crust of lies, and too many human beings willing to accept them as the general backdrop of life, people willing to live within a lie. What's needed is the "virus of truth," spread by people willing to live within the truth, to give it free expression, human beings unwilling to sacrifice their identity and dignity to politics -- dissidents. Truth, that's a dreadful wellspring to the system.
Now that's exactly right. There truly is a vicious pandemic, a vicious virus spreading and destroying - but it's not covid - it's ignorance, malice, stupidity, blindness etc..
It amazes me the extreme length the news media will go to change their narrative and lie on the effectiveness of this vaccine. They will not say that those who have had COVID-19 have a greater immunity to Covid that those with the shot. Where are the numbers of people who have died from the vaccine? May God forgive us for the hate that is being pushed at us by family, friends & neighbors for political means when they don’t even know how they are helping a Satan driven political party to ruin this great country. I pray for the lost sheep daily.
Vaccine didn’t stop it but appears to have created the ideal media for mutations to occur. Maybe that’s what they want.
The really insane thing is that so many people still believe what she said even though there are tons of news stories showing that highly vaccinated countries are getting hit with outbreaks. Further, vaccinated people are as likely to get infected and spread the disease as unvaccinated. Fauci and others claim the vaccinated have milder cases than the unvaccinated, but COVID cases are overwhelmingly mild, in general. So who knows if the vaccine is even helping with that.
Has Maddow been banned yet for her misinformation?
I believe with this going on that it’s important to be there for our parents and friends that are seniors. Many of them are usually bamboozled by the medical profession, when you need to think about what they are saying critically just like anything else. There are many tools of influence that are used as weapons.
Well I'm a 60-something senior that's not bamboozled ;) Don't sell all of us short. . .remember:
My parents were part of the 'polio generation'. My mother had a cousin that was disabled by polio, and both my parents grew up with people disabled by polio. Intelligent, critically thinking seniors know exactly what a vaccine is and what it's supposed to do. Aside from the seasonal flu, I can't think of a single disease with an available vaccine that isn't stopped by that vaccine- infection is prevented in the vaccinated person. Polio, smallpox, diptheria, measles, etc and etc, if you're vaccinated you can't be infected. Now here's the best part: when people started pointing this out the CDC changed their official definition of "vaccine." Just google and you'll find it, from reliable sources, here's one- https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article254111268.html
Soon after they announced that vaccinated people could still be infected with covid there was a video posted by a doctor where he said that whatever they are selling is, it's NOT a vaccine. The video was gone the day after I watched it, and I'm really sorry I didn't make note of his name because I don't remember it.
As long as people can communicate there's hope. My many years of experience and observation tell me that the truth always does come out. The problem is sometimes it takes a while and what happens in the meantime.
I did not mean as a general comment. I do, however, know many seniors who don’t ask questions. In dads case (90s). He couldn’t hear well at all and frequently misunderstood the Doctor.
One time a friend told him. Use a slow cooker. He told me he would buy a pressure cooker.
No worries, I understood what you meant :) I hope I make it to my 90's!
Even influential virologists who are doing the rounds on podcasts and such are now denying that vaccines for other diseases in the past have prevented infection for example https://mobile.twitter.com/profvrr
That's ridiculous, and a little scary.
As my father aged I was careful to go to every medical appointment with him and ask questions
An old man goes to the doctor for his yearly physical, his wife tagging along. When the doctor enters the examination room, he tells the old man, "I need a urine sample, a stool sample and a sperm sample."
The old man, being hard of hearing, looks at his wife and yells: "WHAT?"
"What did he say? What's he want?"
His wife yells back, "He needs your underwear."
Sorry. Couldn't resist.
The elephant in the room is the Natural Immunity. I’ve not seen ANY data on the impact of taking the vax when you already have Natural Immunity. There is only medical OPINION by those who have the political motives.
On another topic, keep up the snark, Alex. We love it and it's funny. When things are this bad with the domination of the Church of Covid, we need some humor.
She couldn't have gotten it more wrong... but then again, isn't that the point?
Retweeted it with a nice piece of artwork to my roughy 24,000 followers, for what it's worth. @BRICBreaker.
Well, sure. They flipped the script. They've been doing this for years. The problem is, our news cycle moves so fast no one remembers. I don't even know if going after the media will matter because they are just the mouthpiece to the Great Reset engineers. If anyone is interested in the connection of this entire thing, and who's doing what, look no further than here. What an amazing piece of work: https://thegreatwork208716197.wordpress.com/2021/09/29/%F0%9F%9A%A8-covid-criminal-network-has-been-mapped-out-and-exposed-%F0%9F%92%A5/
It's funny because I can't tell you how many posts I now read stating "Nobody ever said you wouldn't be able to get the virus if you get the vaccine. It's just to minimize symptoms and stop hospitalizations." Oh, yes, they did...
Send them Maddows quote-- I would love to hear what they say about that
Biden said the same thing on July 23.
That’s because it was planned. The CDC stopped counting breakthrough cases on May 1. They’re not stupid, they thought they could hide the truth by having people like Rachel lye. Unfortunately, I think there are a lot more breakthroughs than was expected hence the it will keep you from getting severely ill. That hopefully will get noticed soon too. People can catch it, spread it, get long Covid, go to hospital, and die of Covid. But it also has a little extra benefit- all those side effects and I’d you don’t get them just wait. I’d bet the long term effects like cancer and autoimmune (maybe immune issues like ADE, etc) will be hitting the stage soon. The vax is suppressing the bodies immune function that protects one from cancer. That we’ve already been alerted to.
Oh and by the way Dr Seigel Fox News and many doctors said the same for about 2 weeks all over the news because of a very small study the CDC did. They all said if you get the vax you can’t spread it. There a tons of independent studies on Ivermectin. But if the CDC does it it’s golden. We need to get rid of all these lettered agencies and revamp.
Alex we expect at a minimum 3 emails daily 😂😂😂😂😂. Keep them coming brother.
It's truly hard to believe *how* wrong so many of these pundits have been. Demonstrably and unequivocally wrong. Do people who watch them or are influenced by them not remember this stuff? There's such a crazy cognitive dissonance going on that I can only attribute it to the extreme effectiveness of non-stop propaganda. When politicians and pundits whom I believed in sold the Iraq war and the aftermath - I remembered it. I remembered the things they said and did, even though it was painful to realize I voted for them/listened to them. With Covid I don't see people saying "wait a sec, I remember when Fauci et al said something the complete opposite less than a year ago . . . "
I think the sheer volume of "news" (in its broadest definition) is one contributing factor. Who can remember all the contradictory statements e.g. Fauci has made when most people can't remember what the had for breakfast? Our memories are also selective: what evokes strong emotions, what fits in with our pre-existing beliefs, what do we want to believe and remember? Just keep hammering the same points over and over and the details, illogic and contradictions will drown in the stream.
Very true, sadly.
Their excuse has been (as this is popping up more) "The Science™ is always changing and we're now seeing that these don't prevent transmission. But they prevent you from being really sick and dying.", which has been shown to also be a lie, but that data hasn't really made the greater public eye yet.
The obvious question to retort with would be "If the long term efficacy was unknown, why weren't they held longer in testing to understand this?", but you can't question The Science™, so...