This is what Big Sister was telling you exactly six months ago today:
“The virus stops with every vaccinated person… A vaccinated person gets exposed to the virus. The virus does not infect them. The virus cannot use that person to go anywhere else.”
It seems as though they were really good people who, along with the daughter, bought into the idea that the vaccine solves everything. At the risk of seeming insensitive, maybe they should have focused on their health and losing a lot of weight instead of depending on the vaccine. The daugher's anger is missplaced.
When it became obvious about 18 months ago that Covid robs you of lung capacity, I started exercising. Went from getting winded up a flight of stairs to 2 marathons. Pre-existings need to be worked on. And the best part is that I not only survived the virus without much trouble, but chances of avoiding a whole lot of other killers got better too.
Great summary of the whole mess. Clear & concise. In my circle of friends, nobody has died with or of Covid. The two recent deaths were men in their 60s (one with heart problems) who took the shot, went home, took a nap, and never woke up. Nap nap to dirt nap. A friend in her forties was forced to get it for work and experienced heavy uterine bleeding and breast and underarm lumps. Her doctor told her that was "normal."
That was my immediate thought. If they had known that early treatment was available, they could have taken a course of early treatment that probably would have cost them $20 and saved their lives. It's so sad what's being done.
The doctors and hospitals are following (bad) suggested government treatment protocol and avoid liability by doing it that way instead of following a course that may have a much higher success rate.
Unfortunately, they were both overweight...and yes...early treatment probably still would have worked...but anyone who thinks the vaccine “works” is sadly mistaken...
Data doesn't work that way. The vaccines provide an order of magnitude protection against severe outcome. Pick a state or a country and I'll show you with the raw data. If we were at 95% over 50 vaccinated instead of 93% over 65+ with one shot, we'd see about half the covid deaths being vaccinated people...there just would be less. Is this a data substack? Pick a state or country, we can normalize the data and break into age ranges together and look at vaccine efficiency
All the while "early treatments" prevent most hospitalizations as is being done around the world. If fighting covid was an Olympic event the USA would not even be a contender and India would have all the medals.
In particular the Indian state of Uttar Pradesh, a little smaller than Michigan but with a population of over 200 million (more than half the population of the USA) is the world champion of fighting covid and it is done without vaccines... it is done with early treatment, something the CDC and WHO try very hard to forbid (as instructed by their big-pharma masters).
Think about how dense the population there is and yet they have a far lower rate of covid deaths than in the rich modern USA. According to https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths (as of 9-17-21), the USA is experiencing about 6 deaths/million... India is below 1/million.
India has 833 million covid vaccinations and are going up by 50 million per week. ....certainly the per week gets them the gold I watch 12 countries more closely than India.....I can take more of a look at India data this weekend...you were 3rd person to mention it. The little I've seen but not researched was their deaths were massively underreported in some regions...that is Google level knowledge not research...can start some research on it and post back Sunday.
When you say "provide an order of magnitude protection against severe outcome", can you clarify how long this level of protection lasts? I have a lot of questions about the data but I'd most like to understand what you believe the order of magnitude protection is when comparing a group of people say 5+ months post-vaccination to unvaccinated. If the vaccinated group is anywhere from 1 day to 8 months post-vaccination then I don't see how the data is very useful since most people seem to acknowledge that the vaccines provide some level of protection for some period of time.
Rob C, I believe after reading a couple of posts that made it sound like people were saying covid didn't exist and vaccine wasn't at all effective that I may have had the wrong read on the what the substack had become. I didn't realize it was an understood that vaccine had order of magnitude benefit so was stressing it. When I normalize to vaxxed and unvaxxed population I'm going into them at this point for the last month of data usually (to make sure I catch it with full Delta) and breaking it out in age ranges. Pfizer has the best real world data on it out of Israel and the best booster data. Moderna it is harder to get a read on that Pfizer but appears to last longer. It's a good question that deserves more than my mind can do at 1:47am thinking about working at 7am. I'll see what I can see on Pfizer on the Israel data. Note, I also haven't figured out a way to adjust for people having had covid..if you see a place that tracks data that way, please let me know. Have a good night
If your goal is to truly understand the benefits of the vaccines (vs simply looking to shape the data to promote the vaccines) then there are lots of issues with the data in my opinion. Considering natural immunity in the vaccinated group is one and as mentioned previously considering days or months post-vaccination is another. If any comparison includes people recently vaccinated then that is going to paint the vaccinated group in the best light when the reality over time may be very different. There are also questions about the definition of "vaccinated" as it relates to the data and how many partially vaccinated people are included in the unvaccinated groups (should be zero in my opinion). I also have questions about including people that die with covid and not from covid. In a perfect (and not so political) world we'd have the data to make adjustments to get a more accurate comparison and then we'd be able to compare those results to all cause deaths for the same groups.
Also, note that the people that decide how the data is collected (and not collected) and the people that collect the data overwhelmingly have a vested interest in the success of the vaccines. They promote the vaccines, they take the vaccines and many of them profit from the vaccines. They risk being embarrassed, losing credibility and losing money if the vaccines aren't everything they predict they will be. This is why we see them every day giving statistics that may be true for a moment in time and pretending that they know the future. 95% effective as if they just knew they would be 95% effective forever. Safe and effective as if they know how safe and how effective the vaccines will be in 1 year or 5 years. The vaccines allow you to return to normal life without masks, with little to no chance of spreading the virus. Reduces serious illness, hospitalization and death as if they know how long and as if they know what happens when that protection goes away. In an environment where the truth was the highest priority no one would accept this kind of recklessness but it's clear that the truth isn't the highest priority. That isn't to say that I don't believe that the vaccines are a valuable tool in the fight against covid. The problem is that once you realize how much the data is being manipulated and once you realize how the push to vaccinate everyone actually gets more aggressive as the vaccines are consistently proven to be of less value than previously thought, the only reasonable position is to question the data and the agenda. So far, the people questioning the vaccine propaganda have been right far more often than those pushing the propaganda. That may change over time but therein lies the real problem... we need more time to have any real confidence in any of this but despite clear evidence that the vaccines aren't preventing the spread of the virus (the one thing they needed to do to justify the aggressive actions), they don't want to give people time which adds to the doubt about the real motivation here.
Why not look at the videos of 'patriots" from the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers and their ilk assaulting the Capitol Police. Look at the bios of those arrested and charged (and pled guilty and were sentenced) and you will see these "patriots" were wild animals unleashed by Your Dear Leader. Return to reality, Bliss Boy
Most those arrested had no priors and were charged with parading and nonviolent offenses. Feds did not seem to catch their friends who broke windows and assaulted police.
Not everyone posting here qualifies as a mature and thoughtful person. Some insist on childish comments that do them no honor -- and add nothing to the discussion.
The bigger conspiracy is that an invisible virus that has NEVER been isolated and purified magically infects people, causing a disease. The lie is decades long, and a lot of the silenced drs and scientists have been trying to expose the facts.
Plandemic is one of the largest ever told. 6.2 billion shots in and Trumps warp speed is getting derailed by what Trump calls deranged anti covid vaccine pseudoscience
The common theme in those comments was that faith in the vaccine depends on approval by the scientific experts in the FDA, not a political statement alone. The comments reflect a lack of faith in Bleach Man, not in the vaccine when finally approved by the scientific process we have come to trust.
The "vaccine" currently in use is still under an EUA and has not been "approved," only Comirnaty, which is not currently available, has been approved. This was a legal head fake by the FDA to suck in people like you who continue to display their ignorance and belief in the good will of global predators.
and Comirnaty is the only one where you can sue for damages if hurt by vax, that is why they do not want it on the market. Do they really think we are all so daft that we do not see what is going on????
Mouser, you are correct. Trials for the current vaccine will not be done until 2023 at the earliest. And yes, the “approved” vaccine has not been available yet.
Hi VYD. Respectfully even if we do not see eye to eye, I am truly glad you did not suffer any deleterious side effects. You have a differing opinion than most on here, including me, but it takes a lot of guts to take the heat. I want us all to remember that we are of the same human family and most of us are good hard working people putting one foot in front of the other every day. At the end of the day, debate is a good thing and we should always remain open minded and follow our gut instincts. We are at war with one another and it hurts my heart. I wish the best for you and your family as I do for all my compatriots on here. We can't let America be destroyed from the inside out. She has always been a shining beacon in the world and I for one don't want us all to lose that.
The scientific process... You mean the one that's still not discovered how effective ivermectin is for covid? The IFL Science types have turned science into an idol. You have zero idea what science is.
One of the problems is Nirvana fallacy...it's a belief that when something isn't perfect, it isn't good. A second is that proving something statistically with a P<0.05 is difficult. I was disappointed in the Aug 25th Brazil trial on Ivermectin. I'm definitely interested in the Principle trial from UK in December. I was more hopeful on the data but of course we should continue to all hope for the best vaccine and the best treatments we can reach together
Times for continued open minds in science. There are probably multiple successful strategies that can be employed. There may not be a one size fits all. If Ivermec works, great, if inhaled H2O2 works. great, if shaking hands with a Yeti works, great. Whatever it takes to help ourselves and our international community survive and ensure the next generations thrive and can live under the banner of freedom.
"The common theme in those comments was that faith in the vaccine depends on approval by the scientific experts in the FDA, not a political statement alone. The comments reflect a lack of faith in Bleach Man, not in the vaccine when finally approved by the scientific process we have come to trust."
But the people at the FDA were the same over both administrations. So you should have "trusted" them regardless of who's president.
Also, even though I am no fan of his by a long shot, it wasn't under Trump that those "scientific experts" quit in protest over the politicization of the vaccine rollout. . .
I always trust the actual scientists at the FDA and CDC. But not necessarily the political appointees (of whatever stripe). And it is well documented that under Trump his political operatives in the White House and elsewhere tried to slant, spin, and corrupt the CDC reporting. Look it up.
That said, I did not approve of Biden getting out ahead of the experts on booster shots -- and we don't know who counseled him so to do.
"About 55 percent, or $3.2 billion, of FDA’s budget is provided by federal budget authorization. The remaining 45 percent, or $2.7 billion, is paid for by industry user fees."
How can their be any semblance of trust when the FDA's funding comes from the very entities it is designed to regulate. Helps explain why 1/3 approved drugs is eventually pulled from the market over safety or efficacy concerns.
Whether individual scientists are complicit or innocent is not the issue. The appearance of corruption and the observed failures of the FDA in terms of drug recall proves the point. The FDA is basically the Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval for Big Pharma. Both are bought and paid for by the companies that receive those seals. The American public would be better off if the FDA was disbanded, or if the FDA was fully funded by the American taxpayer.
the fda voted 16-2 against giving the 'booster' jab. then a political appointee at the cdc approved it. so the actual scientists are against the 'booster'. how is it you say you are trusting the scientists and not political appointees?
"And it is well documented that under Trump his political operatives in the White House and elsewhere tried to slant, spin, and corrupt the CDC reporting."
If you think boosters is the only place the Biden group has done exactly this, then I suggest you look again. Denial of natural immunity, withholding alternative/early treatments, "spinning" data to conform with their predetermined policy goals, etc. The list goes on.
Then why didnt they ask the fda and cdc to make a non partisan statement of support for the vaccine? It seems like they did the political math and decided to use the vaccine as a political attack... using intentionally broad attacks to hurt Trump and betting they could 180 it after the election with acceptable loss of life.
"Asked at Wednesday's vice-presidential debate whether she would take a vaccine approved by the Trump administration before or after the election, Harris said she'd be the "first in line" to take the vaccine if health experts like Dr. Anthony Fauci recommended it.
"If the public health professionals, if Dr. Fauci, if the doctors tell us that we should take it, I'll be the first in line to take it, absolutely. But if Donald Trump tells us that we should take it, I'm not taking it," Harris said."
That's hardly what you are claiming she said. Oh, and how many of you ran out and drank bleach and shoved a UV light down your gullet because Trump thought it might be a good idea. And Hydroxychloroquine is still unproven in any reputable study. Now, about your horse dewormer....that is actually being studied right now, but I would suggest you wait a while.
"So, supposing we hit the body with a tremendous -- whether it's ultraviolet or just very powerful light -- and I think you said that that hasn't been checked, but you're going to test it. And then I said, supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way, and I think you said you're going to test that too. It sounds interesting...
"...Right. And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be interesting to check that. So, that, you're going to have to use medical doctors with. But it sounds -- it sounds interesting to me.
You need to get away from your left wing sources. This internal UV light was under development prior to Trump's comments that the left moronically turned into "drink bleach".
Regarding the bleach nonsense...Trump was reacting to a report from the DOD that found that UV light killed/denatured COVID rapidly, something like 15 seconds. This was the context in which Trump said something to the effect that it would be great if we could somehow get UV light...NOT BLEACH...into the body to accomplish what UV light was demonstrated to do externally.
Ivermectin has been used here in the US for years, off label for scabies and pinworms, works for Covid too. Just wait… Pfizermectin is just around the corner, they tweak the molecule and rename it. I know ~ 35 years in pharmacy.
Ivermectin at the doses it was used has been used over 3.7 billion times worldwide with a good safety profile. Always ask your doctor before taking medication and obviously the dose is important. I don't know if it works. Was more hopeful before some recent studies but the December study from UK Principle has 34k people and hopefully will show statistical significant. While it's not close to the 6.2 billion doses of covid vaccine, 3.7 billion is still a ton
I think you're right. I've heard it elsewhere. Figures. Bottom of the whole noisy, clamorous, turbulent, chaotic mess: simply money.
I don't understand why in this thread no one has mentioned the Flccc.net - Dry Kory's 'front line criticical care' and his insistence that saves from death routinely hundreds of patients with Ivermectin and that there's over 60 studies vouching for it and Uttar Predesh Stat in India solved their covid problem with it?
Uttar Pradesh has had over 100 million vaccine shots (mostly first shots). I'm interested in Ivermectin and looking forward to results on all 6 drugs in the Principle UK trial in December (and was disappointed that the Aug 25th study from Brazil didn't prove it out). I'm not as familiar with India than other countries but keep on seeing it being mentioned and will look at more this weekend. Believe there are 27 studies showing no impact. A number showing positive impact. The best p I saw was 0.19...which is interesting. For comparison though the vaccine has an incredible p<0.000000001. Under 0.05 to be statistically proven but with 34k in the Principle study we should see one way or another in December
""If the public health professionals, if Dr. Fauci, if the doctors tell us that we should take it, I'll be the first in line to take it, absolutely. But if Donald Trump tells us that we should take it, I'm not taking it," Harris said.""
Have you ever stopped to think how moronically political this would have been? If Trump said take it and Fauci says no, who benefits? If Fauci said yes, and Trump said no? If they both said yes?
It's nonsensical because they were nakedly political statements, just as their flip flop was nakedly political in nature.
Its been used successfully by humans many times for a different condition. It is 3.7 billion plus doses with a good safety profile vs 6.2 billion covid doses with a good safety profile. Vaccine proven to p<0.00000001. Have seen p=0.19 on Ivermectin and hoping like heck the Principle trial out of UK in December finds it or something else positie.
Thanks. I stand informed. Too bad it sounded strange when he said it. Politicians ought not to play scientist or doctor (and that applies across the political spectrum I freely admit).
a lot of things sounded strange when Trump said them. because he's intelligent and witty and he'd jump from one thought to another and one slant to another - catching the slow, uninformed flat footed wondering what the hell he was talking about.
which their often moronic mates were only too happy to tell their version of.
TDS is so vile, so all encompassing and deadly to the mind and soul, and infectious that if the infected weren’t so wasted they wouldn’t need it mandated, it would sell itself
Oh geez really? Not everyone is black and white like you. Some of us are medical professionals who actually know what we are talking about. Others of us are not as rigidly us and them-- if that's what you want so you can feel virtuous-- try another blog. Troll.
These are all the same people who squawked “I’ll never take that untested racist trump vaccine” about 12 mo ago.
Covid Vaccines "are safe and effective" is the biggest Conspiracy Theory ever told !!!
Tragic Story coming out of Michigan.......Vaccine Failure.
https://www.fox17online.com/news/coronavirus/grand-rapids-couple-dies-1-minute-apart-from-covid-19
Could proper front line Covid treatment have saved their lives; it looks like the standard protocol Failed, including the 100% ineffective vaccines.
It seems as though they were really good people who, along with the daughter, bought into the idea that the vaccine solves everything. At the risk of seeming insensitive, maybe they should have focused on their health and losing a lot of weight instead of depending on the vaccine. The daugher's anger is missplaced.
Obesity is the elephant in the Covid room.
https://markoshinskie8de.substack.com/p/npr-neodemocrats-newark-fear-animal
I think immobility is still a bigger factor. Fat or skinny immobility makes it easier for viruses to overwhelm you
Low vitamin D levels in those fat or thin easily fixed would save many trips to hospitals and lives.
The Lymphatic System can only circulate through movements of the body,that is why staying active is so Important for Immunity !!!
She wants to blame someone who it is politically okay to blame
Your risk of being insensitive is only met by the risk of nonvaccinated in highest age ranges (actually you probably beat them)
Key words: preexisting conditions.
When it became obvious about 18 months ago that Covid robs you of lung capacity, I started exercising. Went from getting winded up a flight of stairs to 2 marathons. Pre-existings need to be worked on. And the best part is that I not only survived the virus without much trouble, but chances of avoiding a whole lot of other killers got better too.
Wish others could be as smart and self-starting as you. (I am not being snarky, just stating the facts... and great job on improving your health! )
Yes.
https://markoshinskie8de.substack.com/p/the-covid-death-toll-is-phony
Great summary of the whole mess. Clear & concise. In my circle of friends, nobody has died with or of Covid. The two recent deaths were men in their 60s (one with heart problems) who took the shot, went home, took a nap, and never woke up. Nap nap to dirt nap. A friend in her forties was forced to get it for work and experienced heavy uterine bleeding and breast and underarm lumps. Her doctor told her that was "normal."
Sure. That all sounds completely normal.
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That was my immediate thought. If they had known that early treatment was available, they could have taken a course of early treatment that probably would have cost them $20 and saved their lives. It's so sad what's being done.
Also, this business of putting them right onto the ventilators is bad.
The doctors and hospitals are following (bad) suggested government treatment protocol and avoid liability by doing it that way instead of following a course that may have a much higher success rate.
Ventilation Kills !!!
Unfortunately, they were both overweight...and yes...early treatment probably still would have worked...but anyone who thinks the vaccine “works” is sadly mistaken...
Data doesn't work that way. The vaccines provide an order of magnitude protection against severe outcome. Pick a state or a country and I'll show you with the raw data. If we were at 95% over 50 vaccinated instead of 93% over 65+ with one shot, we'd see about half the covid deaths being vaccinated people...there just would be less. Is this a data substack? Pick a state or country, we can normalize the data and break into age ranges together and look at vaccine efficiency
All the while "early treatments" prevent most hospitalizations as is being done around the world. If fighting covid was an Olympic event the USA would not even be a contender and India would have all the medals.
In particular the Indian state of Uttar Pradesh, a little smaller than Michigan but with a population of over 200 million (more than half the population of the USA) is the world champion of fighting covid and it is done without vaccines... it is done with early treatment, something the CDC and WHO try very hard to forbid (as instructed by their big-pharma masters).
Think about how dense the population there is and yet they have a far lower rate of covid deaths than in the rich modern USA. According to https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths (as of 9-17-21), the USA is experiencing about 6 deaths/million... India is below 1/million.
India has 833 million covid vaccinations and are going up by 50 million per week. ....certainly the per week gets them the gold I watch 12 countries more closely than India.....I can take more of a look at India data this weekend...you were 3rd person to mention it. The little I've seen but not researched was their deaths were massively underreported in some regions...that is Google level knowledge not research...can start some research on it and post back Sunday.
Look at Uttar Pradesh in India
When you say "provide an order of magnitude protection against severe outcome", can you clarify how long this level of protection lasts? I have a lot of questions about the data but I'd most like to understand what you believe the order of magnitude protection is when comparing a group of people say 5+ months post-vaccination to unvaccinated. If the vaccinated group is anywhere from 1 day to 8 months post-vaccination then I don't see how the data is very useful since most people seem to acknowledge that the vaccines provide some level of protection for some period of time.
Rob C, I believe after reading a couple of posts that made it sound like people were saying covid didn't exist and vaccine wasn't at all effective that I may have had the wrong read on the what the substack had become. I didn't realize it was an understood that vaccine had order of magnitude benefit so was stressing it. When I normalize to vaxxed and unvaxxed population I'm going into them at this point for the last month of data usually (to make sure I catch it with full Delta) and breaking it out in age ranges. Pfizer has the best real world data on it out of Israel and the best booster data. Moderna it is harder to get a read on that Pfizer but appears to last longer. It's a good question that deserves more than my mind can do at 1:47am thinking about working at 7am. I'll see what I can see on Pfizer on the Israel data. Note, I also haven't figured out a way to adjust for people having had covid..if you see a place that tracks data that way, please let me know. Have a good night
If your goal is to truly understand the benefits of the vaccines (vs simply looking to shape the data to promote the vaccines) then there are lots of issues with the data in my opinion. Considering natural immunity in the vaccinated group is one and as mentioned previously considering days or months post-vaccination is another. If any comparison includes people recently vaccinated then that is going to paint the vaccinated group in the best light when the reality over time may be very different. There are also questions about the definition of "vaccinated" as it relates to the data and how many partially vaccinated people are included in the unvaccinated groups (should be zero in my opinion). I also have questions about including people that die with covid and not from covid. In a perfect (and not so political) world we'd have the data to make adjustments to get a more accurate comparison and then we'd be able to compare those results to all cause deaths for the same groups.
Also, note that the people that decide how the data is collected (and not collected) and the people that collect the data overwhelmingly have a vested interest in the success of the vaccines. They promote the vaccines, they take the vaccines and many of them profit from the vaccines. They risk being embarrassed, losing credibility and losing money if the vaccines aren't everything they predict they will be. This is why we see them every day giving statistics that may be true for a moment in time and pretending that they know the future. 95% effective as if they just knew they would be 95% effective forever. Safe and effective as if they know how safe and how effective the vaccines will be in 1 year or 5 years. The vaccines allow you to return to normal life without masks, with little to no chance of spreading the virus. Reduces serious illness, hospitalization and death as if they know how long and as if they know what happens when that protection goes away. In an environment where the truth was the highest priority no one would accept this kind of recklessness but it's clear that the truth isn't the highest priority. That isn't to say that I don't believe that the vaccines are a valuable tool in the fight against covid. The problem is that once you realize how much the data is being manipulated and once you realize how the push to vaccinate everyone actually gets more aggressive as the vaccines are consistently proven to be of less value than previously thought, the only reasonable position is to question the data and the agenda. So far, the people questioning the vaccine propaganda have been right far more often than those pushing the propaganda. That may change over time but therein lies the real problem... we need more time to have any real confidence in any of this but despite clear evidence that the vaccines aren't preventing the spread of the virus (the one thing they needed to do to justify the aggressive actions), they don't want to give people time which adds to the doubt about the real motivation here.
Me, I like "the vaccine is The Mark of the Beast" (Rev 13:16-18) the best.
Shouldn't you be with your buddies inciting a riot somewhere and then blaming it on Patriots?
Why not look at the videos of 'patriots" from the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers and their ilk assaulting the Capitol Police. Look at the bios of those arrested and charged (and pled guilty and were sentenced) and you will see these "patriots" were wild animals unleashed by Your Dear Leader. Return to reality, Bliss Boy
It was an FBI sting on people who were rightly concerned about election fraud.
Most those arrested had no priors and were charged with parading and nonviolent offenses. Feds did not seem to catch their friends who broke windows and assaulted police.
Liar.
Why not do the whole playground thing, Pro? "Liar, liar, pants on fire, Nah Nah Nah." You can do better. I hope.
Once the "Vaccine Tracking Chip" is fully implemented, I would have to agree.
I am awash in nanoparticles.
Use a magnet to test your theory.
Like the lady who claimed the vaccination made her magnetic and showed a key clinging to her?
Guess you're vaccinated.
666 all the way, baby. Lock your doors at night....
If anyone has pre-pubescent boys, yes indeed lock your doors to prevent Valerie Fellow Dog from violating them
Not everyone posting here qualifies as a mature and thoughtful person. Some insist on childish comments that do them no honor -- and add nothing to the discussion.
Oh No for all those fully vaccinated.......
Fauci changes the definition of 'fully vaccinated' to include booster shots
"It is likely, for a real complete regimen, that you would need at least a third dose," Fauci said.
Here comes the Booster Campaign!!
I guess Vaccine mandates will follow accordingly with Booster dead lines or be fired !!
WHEN DOES IT STOP ?
What I want to know is by what authority does Fauci decide how many shots is fully vaxxed?
The bigger conspiracy is that an invisible virus that has NEVER been isolated and purified magically infects people, causing a disease. The lie is decades long, and a lot of the silenced drs and scientists have been trying to expose the facts.
Plandemic is one of the largest ever told. 6.2 billion shots in and Trumps warp speed is getting derailed by what Trump calls deranged anti covid vaccine pseudoscience
Absolutely true
Trump correctly said the vaccines were saving the country and frankly the world recently.
Wrong !!
Are you claiming Donald Trump did not say that or are you claiming Trump was wrong when he said it?
Who exactly said that? In your head, bro.
Kamala Harris in the VP debate for one!
I found these in less than 30 seconds using a search engine, which I recommend you try sometime. /s
https://www.facebook.com/DailyCaller/videos/3692755494158709/
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/democrats-balked-at-coronavirus-vaccine-under-trump
The common theme in those comments was that faith in the vaccine depends on approval by the scientific experts in the FDA, not a political statement alone. The comments reflect a lack of faith in Bleach Man, not in the vaccine when finally approved by the scientific process we have come to trust.
The "vaccine" currently in use is still under an EUA and has not been "approved," only Comirnaty, which is not currently available, has been approved. This was a legal head fake by the FDA to suck in people like you who continue to display their ignorance and belief in the good will of global predators.
and Comirnaty is the only one where you can sue for damages if hurt by vax, that is why they do not want it on the market. Do they really think we are all so daft that we do not see what is going on????
I think Big Pharma is protected, no matter. Congress gave them that little gift in the 80’s.
You cannot sue for comirnaty either
Exactly!
Mouser, you are correct. Trials for the current vaccine will not be done until 2023 at the earliest. And yes, the “approved” vaccine has not been available yet.
YESSSSSS!!!
Brilliantly put
You misread what I was saying.
Gee, they put the Pfizer in my arm last week.
Hi VYD. Respectfully even if we do not see eye to eye, I am truly glad you did not suffer any deleterious side effects. You have a differing opinion than most on here, including me, but it takes a lot of guts to take the heat. I want us all to remember that we are of the same human family and most of us are good hard working people putting one foot in front of the other every day. At the end of the day, debate is a good thing and we should always remain open minded and follow our gut instincts. We are at war with one another and it hurts my heart. I wish the best for you and your family as I do for all my compatriots on here. We can't let America be destroyed from the inside out. She has always been a shining beacon in the world and I for one don't want us all to lose that.
Gee, I guess I was mistaken when I got the Comirnaty booster the other day. It is indeed available.
The branded product? I had not heard that it was in volume manufacture. The bottle actually had that name or was that what you were told?
The scientific process... You mean the one that's still not discovered how effective ivermectin is for covid? The IFL Science types have turned science into an idol. You have zero idea what science is.
One of the problems is Nirvana fallacy...it's a belief that when something isn't perfect, it isn't good. A second is that proving something statistically with a P<0.05 is difficult. I was disappointed in the Aug 25th Brazil trial on Ivermectin. I'm definitely interested in the Principle trial from UK in December. I was more hopeful on the data but of course we should continue to all hope for the best vaccine and the best treatments we can reach together
Times for continued open minds in science. There are probably multiple successful strategies that can be employed. There may not be a one size fits all. If Ivermec works, great, if inhaled H2O2 works. great, if shaking hands with a Yeti works, great. Whatever it takes to help ourselves and our international community survive and ensure the next generations thrive and can live under the banner of freedom.
"The common theme in those comments was that faith in the vaccine depends on approval by the scientific experts in the FDA, not a political statement alone. The comments reflect a lack of faith in Bleach Man, not in the vaccine when finally approved by the scientific process we have come to trust."
But the people at the FDA were the same over both administrations. So you should have "trusted" them regardless of who's president.
Also, even though I am no fan of his by a long shot, it wasn't under Trump that those "scientific experts" quit in protest over the politicization of the vaccine rollout. . .
I always trust the actual scientists at the FDA and CDC. But not necessarily the political appointees (of whatever stripe). And it is well documented that under Trump his political operatives in the White House and elsewhere tried to slant, spin, and corrupt the CDC reporting. Look it up.
That said, I did not approve of Biden getting out ahead of the experts on booster shots -- and we don't know who counseled him so to do.
There are no unalloyed heroes.
46% of the FDA's budget comes from Big Pharma. From...https://www.fda.gov/about-fda/fda-basics/fact-sheet-fda-glance
"About 55 percent, or $3.2 billion, of FDA’s budget is provided by federal budget authorization. The remaining 45 percent, or $2.7 billion, is paid for by industry user fees."
How can their be any semblance of trust when the FDA's funding comes from the very entities it is designed to regulate. Helps explain why 1/3 approved drugs is eventually pulled from the market over safety or efficacy concerns.
Whether individual scientists are complicit or innocent is not the issue. The appearance of corruption and the observed failures of the FDA in terms of drug recall proves the point. The FDA is basically the Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval for Big Pharma. Both are bought and paid for by the companies that receive those seals. The American public would be better off if the FDA was disbanded, or if the FDA was fully funded by the American taxpayer.
the fda voted 16-2 against giving the 'booster' jab. then a political appointee at the cdc approved it. so the actual scientists are against the 'booster'. how is it you say you are trusting the scientists and not political appointees?
"And it is well documented that under Trump his political operatives in the White House and elsewhere tried to slant, spin, and corrupt the CDC reporting."
If you think boosters is the only place the Biden group has done exactly this, then I suggest you look again. Denial of natural immunity, withholding alternative/early treatments, "spinning" data to conform with their predetermined policy goals, etc. The list goes on.
The common theme is a blinding hate for anything Trump no matter what the actual merits of the things are.
Trump said the vaccine is saving the country and frankly the world recently and warned people against deranged anti covid vaccine pseudoscience
Mike are you a scientist or a doctor?
Then why didnt they ask the fda and cdc to make a non partisan statement of support for the vaccine? It seems like they did the political math and decided to use the vaccine as a political attack... using intentionally broad attacks to hurt Trump and betting they could 180 it after the election with acceptable loss of life.
You're trying your best.
Thank you.
You should ask for a raise.
Kamala Harris, for one.
"Asked at Wednesday's vice-presidential debate whether she would take a vaccine approved by the Trump administration before or after the election, Harris said she'd be the "first in line" to take the vaccine if health experts like Dr. Anthony Fauci recommended it.
"If the public health professionals, if Dr. Fauci, if the doctors tell us that we should take it, I'll be the first in line to take it, absolutely. But if Donald Trump tells us that we should take it, I'm not taking it," Harris said."
That's hardly what you are claiming she said. Oh, and how many of you ran out and drank bleach and shoved a UV light down your gullet because Trump thought it might be a good idea. And Hydroxychloroquine is still unproven in any reputable study. Now, about your horse dewormer....that is actually being studied right now, but I would suggest you wait a while.
He never said anything about drinking bleach or swallowing a UV light. That's a lie, and you're a liar.
The Mamet Principle: In order to continue advancing their illogical arguments modern liberals have to pretend not to know things. - David Mamet
For an example of said principle: see Valley Yellow Dog
"So, supposing we hit the body with a tremendous -- whether it's ultraviolet or just very powerful light -- and I think you said that that hasn't been checked, but you're going to test it. And then I said, supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way, and I think you said you're going to test that too. It sounds interesting...
"...Right. And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be interesting to check that. So, that, you're going to have to use medical doctors with. But it sounds -- it sounds interesting to me.
You need to get away from your left wing sources. This internal UV light was under development prior to Trump's comments that the left moronically turned into "drink bleach".
https://aytubio.com/pipeline/healight-technology-platform/
There's also an inhaled 'disinfectant' under development.
Explain, exactly, where he told people to drink bleach or swallow a UV light.
As I said - you're a liar.
Regarding the bleach nonsense...Trump was reacting to a report from the DOD that found that UV light killed/denatured COVID rapidly, something like 15 seconds. This was the context in which Trump said something to the effect that it would be great if we could somehow get UV light...NOT BLEACH...into the body to accomplish what UV light was demonstrated to do externally.
Ivermectin has been used here in the US for years, off label for scabies and pinworms, works for Covid too. Just wait… Pfizermectin is just around the corner, they tweak the molecule and rename it. I know ~ 35 years in pharmacy.
Ivermectin at the doses it was used has been used over 3.7 billion times worldwide with a good safety profile. Always ask your doctor before taking medication and obviously the dose is important. I don't know if it works. Was more hopeful before some recent studies but the December study from UK Principle has 34k people and hopefully will show statistical significant. While it's not close to the 6.2 billion doses of covid vaccine, 3.7 billion is still a ton
Mike are you a physician or scientist?
I think you're right. I've heard it elsewhere. Figures. Bottom of the whole noisy, clamorous, turbulent, chaotic mess: simply money.
I don't understand why in this thread no one has mentioned the Flccc.net - Dry Kory's 'front line criticical care' and his insistence that saves from death routinely hundreds of patients with Ivermectin and that there's over 60 studies vouching for it and Uttar Predesh Stat in India solved their covid problem with it?
Uttar Pradesh has had over 100 million vaccine shots (mostly first shots). I'm interested in Ivermectin and looking forward to results on all 6 drugs in the Principle UK trial in December (and was disappointed that the Aug 25th study from Brazil didn't prove it out). I'm not as familiar with India than other countries but keep on seeing it being mentioned and will look at more this weekend. Believe there are 27 studies showing no impact. A number showing positive impact. The best p I saw was 0.19...which is interesting. For comparison though the vaccine has an incredible p<0.000000001. Under 0.05 to be statistically proven but with 34k in the Principle study we should see one way or another in December
Works for rosacea, too, but not proven to work for Covid. Being studied, so give credit to that.
It worked in India. Story heavily suppressed
Anecdotally, it works. But I’ll stop there, I don’t have time for a pissing match.
""If the public health professionals, if Dr. Fauci, if the doctors tell us that we should take it, I'll be the first in line to take it, absolutely. But if Donald Trump tells us that we should take it, I'm not taking it," Harris said.""
Have you ever stopped to think how moronically political this would have been? If Trump said take it and Fauci says no, who benefits? If Fauci said yes, and Trump said no? If they both said yes?
It's nonsensical because they were nakedly political statements, just as their flip flop was nakedly political in nature.
horse dewormer? now you're letting your bias show.
Ivermec works, had a friend who had early tx with it and some other things and stayed out of hospital. She has recovered quickly!
Its been used successfully by humans many times for a different condition. It is 3.7 billion plus doses with a good safety profile vs 6.2 billion covid doses with a good safety profile. Vaccine proven to p<0.00000001. Have seen p=0.19 on Ivermectin and hoping like heck the Principle trial out of UK in December finds it or something else positie.
Valley Yellow Dog
This is what former President Trump was referring to:
Sponsor:
Cedars-Sinai Medical Center
Brief Summary: This pilot study will assess the safety and effectiveness of UV light treatment in hospitalized patients with COVID-19.
UVA Light Device to Treat COVID-19 - Full Text
Viewhttps://clinicaltrials.gov › show › NCT04572399
Thanks. I stand informed. Too bad it sounded strange when he said it. Politicians ought not to play scientist or doctor (and that applies across the political spectrum I freely admit).
Sigh --read all the replies to you above-- then tell us you stand informed.
a lot of things sounded strange when Trump said them. because he's intelligent and witty and he'd jump from one thought to another and one slant to another - catching the slow, uninformed flat footed wondering what the hell he was talking about.
which their often moronic mates were only too happy to tell their version of.
Oh, stop it. You knew, or could have looked this up, yet you troll and troll
Find another place to troll
Providing actual facts rather than fantasy is hardly "trolling". Truly, in this land of trolls, the one-eyed gal is queen.
Your Trump obsession is showing. Does your arm get tired holding up his photo while the other hand is busy?
What "facts" have you provided?
Fraudci, expert at vaccine failures
Stop trolling you KNOW all the lefties were saying that. More Gas lighting from idiots.
Now, actually, I don't know "all the lefties" were saying any one thing. Ever. That is more a characteristic of the radical right. Right?
I have receipts and screenshots, but you have terminal TDS so I won’t bother trying to help
Saying " you have terminal TDS" solves all your problems. Now, if there were a vaccine for TDS, would you mandate it?
TDS is so vile, so all encompassing and deadly to the mind and soul, and infectious that if the infected weren’t so wasted they wouldn’t need it mandated, it would sell itself
How ungracious. And here I have been helping you.
Oh geez really? Not everyone is black and white like you. Some of us are medical professionals who actually know what we are talking about. Others of us are not as rigidly us and them-- if that's what you want so you can feel virtuous-- try another blog. Troll.
Oh, uh sorry, I guess…thank you? 🧐
Wrong.
Evidence?