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I remember as a medical student at UVA in the 70s, when I was trying to decide between neurology and psychiatry, and chose neurology, for my specialty, I learned of a massive closing of mental hospitals across the country. I also remember being told that in a fact “because we have medication‘s for psychosis, Joe, leaders think we don’t need psychiatric hospitals much anymore.“ over my career as a neurologist in California I have seen how wrong that decision was to close those hospitals. When we lived in Los Angeles 4 years ago, where we made our careers, I would frequently get depressed when on the bike path in Venice seeing these homeless individuals who I know, in a better world, would be in a psychiatric hospital getting care. As a country we have failed the helpless psychiatric patients of America.

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Bravo! It isn't a "homeless" crisis. It's a MENTAL HEALTH crisis!

Yet the people in charge in California are buying hotels and condos to house people who are unable to take of themselves.

BTW, it isn't just California--but, for now, it's the most glaring example.

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Agree RioRosie. It's not just CA - it's every city and town. They closed down the psychiatric hospitals in the '70's, turned the certifiably helpless onto the streets. That was the beginning of the homelessness problem. Several drug epidemics and housing crises later - here we are! I don't agree with locking folks up against their will, but we are in a crisis.

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No, we shouldn't lock up people against their will. But there must be some mechanism to protect the general public.

The general public has rights, too.

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Actually in some cases physicians have to admit patients with severe psychiatric events against their will. However, there is a rational process to ensure legal and moral rights of patients who have lost control. But these patients must not spend their time in crisis on a city street.

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Who decides the rational process? That's my concern. Who judges moral rights. They are playing us against ourselves. And the zone between subjective and objective is growing wider, daily.

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Well, you were obviously not a physician. And you obviously have never experienced what it’s like to be a schizophrenic, manic depressive and a severe depressive state, or person having a major panic attack thinking they have to kill themselves. And yet you’re doing the typical liberal bull crap about so-called “rights.“ I can tell you right now those patients have the right to be taken care of properly. Your distrust of physicians I find disgusting. How naïve can you be?

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My understanding is that the ACLU prompted the closing of mental hospitals in the 70s because they argued those folks should have their freedom to move about unrestricted. I think it may be time to reconsider. We ARE in crisis territory and innocents are being killed and maimed. That is unfair to citizens. Sorry if that sounds harsh...

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HARSH???? Bring it!!!! Too many people are victims to these deranged people!

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Yup. I’ll finish my sentence……but, I’m not caring too much about

“harsh” these days. I’d vote for it, but voting these days….(Renee, you are welcome to finish my sentence 😁).

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It’s the “broken window” phenomenon. Once you let something go, it ALL goes! People must take pride in their home/community. Don’t wait for someone else to do something YOU can do. It’s free and you make a difference. This sounds dumb, but it’s as simple as taking a shopping cart back where you got it. A perfect example of “when no one is watching”, will you do the RIGHT thing? Don’t leave shit for someone else.

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I’m old enough to remember the NYC crime and “broken windows” theory. It worked. Agree on the rest as well….let it begin with the individual.

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Just like Michael Shellenberger explains in San Fransicko, that I highly recommend to folks concerned about solving homelessness.

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As a country, we have basically failed everyone on everything..

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My father was a volunteer chest physician at the mental hospital in Milledgeville, GA when I was a kid. The conditions were bad but rather than clean it up our politicians decided that the anti-psychotic drugs would eliminate the need for big institutions. Like JWSPOONERMD said, it was a disaster and suddenly our homeless population grew massively. Cannabis as consumed today seems that it will add to that population if we can't stop it. The money to be made is likely to make it a growth industry. Don't worry though cause Big Pharma will be there with a new drug to solve the problems that Big MaryJane makes.

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The book My Brother Ron covers this better than anything I've ever read. It should be required reading of every person of voting age. I've bought scores of copies and given them away. Not that it provides solutions, but it provides an historical perspective on our national response to mental illness and where we have arrived. We need to raise the national conciousness regarding the fact that we have added the drug-induced mentally ill to the organically mentally ill and it is a crisis in need of public response.

https://www.amazon.com/My-Brother-Ron-Personal-Deinstitutionalization/dp/1477667539?ref_=d6k_applink_bb_dls&dplnkId=2c6a1b9c-7455-415a-9e38-367615201fac

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Sharon, thanks for the link. I just bought this book for my Kindle for $1.49.

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👍

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We 99% are failing the 1% or fewer among us whom we grant the free will to make executive level self care decisions while they lack the legal capacity to make those decisions. As an attorney married to the founder and director of a homeless charity for 10 years, I have seen, met and spoken to many more people experiencing homelessness than most. It is simply inhumane to allow this to continue. When you take a close look at the resources deployed in any major city you will find the majority of funding goes to administrative overhead at the federal, state, county, city and social service agencies with an extra sprinkling allocated to 300 page 10 year plans that have been stacking up for 20 years or more. Not all homeless people have mental illness or substance abuse issues but a large enough percentage do so that any improvement we make in humanely treating the mentally ill would make a big dent in the unsheltered homelss population. The saddest part is that our jails and prisons house the largest populations of psychatric patients.

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Jun 28, 2022·edited Jun 28, 2022

JAILS???? YES!!!! And people expect us (retired deputy of 23 years) to be mental health professionals. If I told you what I’ve dealt with in 23 years, you’d vomit. Many Law enforcement officers KNOW how to deal with mentally ill people better than doctors and mental health “professionals”!

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I am also retired LEO…..25 yrs worth of crazy. No wonder we speak the same language! Lol.

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We survived!!!! Cheers!!!! ✝️💜🖤💙🖤💙

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Yay us, we did!! It sure wasn’t easy, but I kept my eye on the prize (retirement pension) and kept moving forward! 🖤💙🖤💙✝️💜

Peace, sister..

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Yep. Lived there as well in the 80s and saw the "normalization" of cannabis, and also the mainstreaming of schizophrenics on The Strand. I still can picture a massive dude (6'4", 260) pacing and yelling at the top of his lungs in Santa Monica's park (the one where you can picnic) about how he should have been in the Olympics. Same day, a guy yelling at his reflection in a store front window; ducking out of sight; popping back up; yelling; ducking; yelling... CA had just released tons of patients and they ended up living in beach parks.

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We live in San Diego now and hear not iinfrequently problems in Santa Monica. Just like the bike path we lost the ability to enjoy the Santa Monica park along the Bluffs.

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There was much acclaim when "Geraldo" closed down Willowbrook, which really launched his career and spawned the current homelessness problem at the same time. What a guy! There was a large, mostly psychiatric VAH in Montrose, NY which shuttered not too long after that. Willowbrook was a hole, for sure, but it needed vast upgrading, not closure. Coming out of the drug-drenched 60s & 70s provided a now never supply of homeless. We continue apace.

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Yes, I certainly agree that there were a number of mental health hospitals that were not up to snuff across the country. Unfortunately, our leaders at the time decided it was better to close those hospitals than to fix them. And those same leaders are now long gone so we can’t really hold him accountable. But we must as a country do something dramatic with respect to mental health facilities to provide for the very sick.

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Saw that as well as a nursing student. I did clinical rotations in psychiatric hospitals just before they shut down. They were horrible conditions and should have been completely refurbished rather than closed. Those in our streets are the victims we left behind.

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And with the amount of young kids getting “marijuana cards” to treat their “anxiety” or “depression”, we may be in a lot of trouble in the near future.

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We're already in a lot of trouble.

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It'll just give pharma another excuse to push another pill to "combat" the problem... because it would be silly to eliminate the problem from their perspective.

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Their motto ought be: "In sickness, there is wealth".

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That's clever. I intend to pass it on.

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Instead of blaming mass shootings on America’s gun culture and NRA, maybe they should look at this issue for a root cause

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Can't look at the root cause as this means that it could be fixed and someone would have to take responsibility for cleaning up the mess. It falls in the same realm as "it's a total mystery why the athletes in Europe are dying/fainting on the ball fields"...no one can figure this out. 😏

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Meant relating to athletes on the field dying...what changed really in any athletes lives other than the injections in that short window of time

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Yes I was referencing the shot the athletes took. Occam's razor--yes most assuredly.

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Occam's razor?

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"Root cause?"

Quick! Call Kamala! She's in charge of ALL "root causes!"

(Sorry. I couldn't resist.)

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Sorry Rosie - she makes the roots in my garden whither away. Paraphrasing "Dean Wormer" (great name, ain't it?) "Loud, Obnoxious and Stupid is no way to go through life...unless you choose politics".

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makes to much sense

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They do not care Those people are an end to a means. Gotta make their plan work, no matter who suffers or dies.

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The substacker "A Midwestern Doctor" has a post regarding the relationship between psych-drugs and mass shootings

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So did William Cooper, in "Behold a Pale Horse" published around 1991. This is page 225:

https://gyazo.com/334b5dbf344af810523919a7c684fee9

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It's almost as if some in power want the population dependent on mind-altering substances whether it's hyper-potent weed or prescription head-meds. Who would benefit from a population unable to think clearly? It's a puzzlement.

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That is THE goal. A high, obese, and lackadaisical populace that is dependent on the government.

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A healthy society has never been a good business model. The pharma-medical cartel learned that many decades ago

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Au Contraire!! IT's a great business model if you happen to be a pharmaceutical company, or a division thereof, like the CDC, FDA and Fauci-land.

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Meaning it pays well if the public at large is kept sickly. No $$$ if no one is sick or unhealthy

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Yes, watch the movie "Wall-e" to see what happens to a society gone soft & fat.

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That movie presumes we humans have a place to go. So far, only Musk, Bezos, and Branson have the means. Gates is buying up land. But didn't they end up back on Earth in Wall-E?

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Almost? Whatever can diminish our mental acuity and ability to reason is good for them. Plus all the mayhem from COVID-19 to Ukraine to abortion to J6. All a distraction from the things we should be doing to help the USA and it’s people and the world. The big one for them though is inflation and the economy. The destruction of the USA economy so critical to the citizens of the USA and the world will be the ultimate for these WEF elites.

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"Almost" was sarcasm. These bastards want us in poor mental, physical, emotional, and spiritual health - addicted to screens, drugs, factory food, porn, and gambling. Easy to run roughshod over a people like that.

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How many of the young shooters of schools have a history of cannabis use?

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Wish we could see and "honest" breakdown of data on the meds in general including cannabis all the nut case shooters were on or had a history of ingesting...

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Betting they ALL have psych history. And they all seem to be reported to be "known to the FBI". How is it they NEVER intervene? IS being known to them part of an ID & recruitment program? They could easily have their hooks into public school counseling departments.

BTW - Where'd the Uvalde Shooter get the $10K to buy those weapons, the way they were outfitted, then the ammo and high grade body armor? He worked a part-time job at McDonald's (8 hours per week and minimum wage, for two years) lived with his grandmother who did not work. The average annual household income there is ~ $41K. Did he save money "Fastly and Furiously"? The shooter was allegedly angry that he would not be graduated with his class. Sure gave "Beto" and his young Hah-vid clone Hogg a coffin to preach from. But I digress...

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I thought I read that many of them had taken drugs. Typically, the first story that comes out after a shooting has not been "cleansed" so can get some truth rdg the shooters & their history.

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Of the first 7 shootings, 6 had been on psychotropic drugs. I don't know about cannabis.

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"may cause ...." hardly grounds for government to take one's freedom. There are few things in life without arguable downsides, whether it be crossing the street or having a drink. The fundamental question here, is "who owns you?" If you answer the state, it would be proper for government to make laws regarding its own personal property. It would also be justifiable to institute a draft or other forms of involuntary servitude. However, if you say one owns themselves, the individual gets to decide. The information in the article Alex has posted should help inform one's personal choices but not be used as justification to pimp the former premise.

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Jun 26, 2022·edited Jun 26, 2022

What is the REAL issue or elephant in the room which "has to be addressed" if weed continues on in the legal sense is concentration levels. Nature NEVER intended it and nature knows best always. Pharma's main premise is to isolate and concentrate so it fits right in to their world and is the reason why so many "adverse" drug events happen each and every year. The fragile life-form known as being human was NEVER meant for such EGO driven tinkering by man in staying in the ways of being healthy-well...

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Very well put. I was trying to Express With coherent terms the same argument but I was unable to do it as eloquently as you did You summed it up brilliantly

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Don't worry, the little kiddies have always found a way to get their dope, legal or not. They don't care about any possible harms.

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I'm generally suspicious of advertisements for pharmaceuticals ("Ask your doctor if XXXXX is right for you")., but it seems most often the drugs are for common ailments. So perhaps there's a widespread need. OK. Maybe. What do I know, right?

But I believed for many years that schizophrenia was a rare condition. So why advertisements for schizophrenia drugs? Can there be THAT much demand?

I think I'm seeing the answer to that question.

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Like A-Fib meds. Create problem, create solution. Excellent business model. Only USA and NZ allow direct pharma advertising to the public. In the rest of the world Pharma just greases the doctors and pharmacists with boondoggles.

In the '80's in Ireland and UK the landscapers pushed leylandii trees for privacy and peace. 30 years later, the same landscapers (or their kids) are getting rich from pulling out those same tall, sunblocking, fast-growing leylandii. Excellent business model. Same business model for Pharma.

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Dr. Peter McCullough talked about this on Joe Rogan (I think) more than a year ago: SLICK advertising. Lovely music;, bright photography; smiling, happy people.. Take this pill and you, too, will conquer [insert one] ecxema, A1C, etc.

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You never needed it. Restless legs, arthritis, any old age symptom - we have a pill for that! You can live forever! But it won't be cheap.....and talk to your Doctor (who is on our payroll).....perpetual revenue stream.

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OMG! Restless legs!!! Now THERE'S a plague.

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Don't give them ideas!

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I've heard that women (and some men) so stricken are frequently arrested by VICE. lol

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I admire that you are trying to get the truth out on this. Lives depend on an honest assessment of risks, and in the case of cannabis, there is a tremendous amount of money trying to suppress the truth.

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There is a tremendous amount of Tax Money at stake in weed sales.

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If you were black and sold weed you were a felon. If you are white and sell weed, you are an "entrepreneur". Sorry but this is BS. Legalize it and tax it? Mel Brooks would say "It's good to be the king". We have been manipulated for decades.

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Cannabis, fentanyl, Covid-vaccine jabs (plus, of course, continuing booster shots), lack of real Vitamin D from sunshine exposure (inside the house or school all day long staring at video screens), lack of exercise, sexual grooming of middle-school students by woke teachers and guidance councilors . . . can you see where this is going? The funding problems of Social Security and Medicare will be solved in around 40 years because these kids won't make it to their 60s. And maybe that's the idea. A lot of the nutcases you find in the media and academia these days are not merely people with a different viewpoint -- they are people who want to destroy our country.

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One word:

CHINA

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You noticed that too? The ice-cream trucks are fading away - no kids playing outside anymore. The kids you do see outdoors have pink or purple hair, unless they have good parents. Agree the academics have hijacked the real world. It started in the 90's with The Real World on MTV. Had it on good authority that Reality TV would be the Next Big Thing, back in 1999. Well that was the last time I heard unambiguous truth.

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And China doesn’t have to fire a shot. China has been violating the West for decades. And what do you think their end goal is (think Belt and Road initiative). Why do you think Tik Toc is totally different in the USA than in China? The USA was sold out when Woodrow Wilson was POTUS. And he knew exactly what he was doing.

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Even back in the late 70's there were preteens and teens shipped off to boarding/private schools because of violence towards family members or peers. In all the cases I can recall, they were also the kids smoking weed. If we believe the media, that was kinder, gentler weed compared to today.

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I always thought cannabis was bad. I didn't have anything other than my own observations but now we have some data. Thanks, Alex!

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Jun 26, 2022·edited Jun 26, 2022

In the same way that COVID restrictions are more harmful than COVID itself, the war on drugs is almost certainly more harmful than the drugs themselves - even if they do have downsides. I hope you'll remain open to that possibility, Alex.

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I wonder what the relationship of pot consumption & willingness to accept govt propaganda is

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I saw this coming YEARS ago. I bet the government will use the cannabis card to deny people the right to own a firearm. WATCH…

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Cannabis and Mental Health therapy. They have it all tied up in to a nice tidy bag.

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Read your book, given copies to friends, excellent book, not surprised. Not the cannabis of the 70’s much higher THC in the modern version of cannabis. When will society learn🤔

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Sorry I didn’t see yours when I posted mine

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No worries

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Thank you. I live in CA with pot shops everywhere, and it’s nearly impossible to convince people that it’s dangerous. Even my young adult sons are skeptical though they know a young man who fell victim to schizophrenia after pot and their uncle had a breakdown as a teen while on it. Their 22 year old friend has spent a year in a psych ward and is on the strongest anti-psychotics out there. Please keep writing, and we will keep warning those we know,

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