I stayed subscribed because even though Alex's attack on Robert Malone was bizarre and suspect, I still find his info important and beneficial. But, I'm gonna call him out on it none the less, why shouldn't I?
My accountant is a grade A asshole - but his a very good accountant. Alex was an asshole to Malone (for whatever reason). But his good at what he does and I personally value that.
Don't care about the personalities involved, just that they are good at what they do.
"Conspiratorial gibberish" is a cheap rhetorical technique where a perpetrator bullies a victim for ever doubting the perpetrator's good intent. Many victims will fold to avoid embarrassment, which allows the perpetrator to proceed unhindered.
Here's Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte attempting to use this scoundrel's technique against what he thinks is an inexperienced MP, Gideon Van Meijeren. Van Meijeren handles this expertly, and Rutte is exposed as a fraud with sinister intent:
Since Alex is likewise dismissing very credible people with very credible claims, we need to worry about Alex being a pied piper whose job is to point out the mechanism, but hide the scheme. They DO want Americans' trust in their government to collapse, but they DON'T want people to distrust the internationalists that will come to "save" us.
Weird, I don't actually see Malone do deep dives into anything of actual substance. He seems to read other people's blogs and then regurgitates this information on his own blog or other media appearances. Doing things like actually ripping apart these pseudo-scientific papers and then publicizing his findings would be way too much work for the inventor of MRNA vaccines.
Please link me to an example. I can almost guarantee that it will be superficial commentary on work that someone else (Alex, El Gato, etc.) has done. Or his typical vague name dropping and alluding to things he knows without providing any usable detail.
The kind of stuff that Alex shares, you can forward or post on social media and it gets people to scratch their heads and start questioning the narrative.
The kind of stuff Malone posts is generally phrased in such a way that normies think that you are a conspiracy theorist if you send it their way.
But, if you have examples of Malone actually digging through papers and doing empirical work of his own, I would be happy to look at them.
He did not. He said that many times. He had nothing to do with vaccines. He did work on the mRNA technology. He did take vaccines which nearly killed him. He also got virus. The real goal here is for pharma to use mRNA with more cancer patients. Treating cancer has barely moved the needle with most cancers. They insist they are looking for cure. They are not. They are looking for more drugs to sell that offer minimal improvement. Chemo is still the choice. Chemo is poison. So basically when you are sick with cancer, your body not able to keep up with replicating cancer cells, you are given poison to make you better long term. Hmmm.
Yup, bizarre isn’t? When Pfizer did their 6 mos trial, they got government protection and then gave the control group the vaccines. So no way to compare the vaccinated and placebo. Same thing with cancer. When diagnosed, tumor removed unless blood cancer, and then everybody gets chemo as adjunct therapy. So no way to tell if just removing tumor removes the threat of more cancer. Science says chemo is a must. So in my case, several tumors were removed. I refused chemo. Also no hormone therapy. I wanted medical establishment to follow me and all others like me that acted as control group. Not one doctor would follow me. The killer is they saw no point of doing so. They felt I was so wrong, they just felt pity for me, believing I would be dead by now. They literally told me I would be sorry I refused chemo, and then it would be too late. My experience with 2 cancer bouts changed my view of the medical world. Where is the curiosity? Most are myopic because they were all trained the same.
Good for you! You were wise, brave, and made the right decision.
I will never take chemotherapy. I've known this for decades, even before my mother died a long, drawn-out, horrible death from chemo for lung cancer twenty-two years ago. (She had never smoked in her life, in case you're wondering.)
Interesting. I found Malone for the past year or so loath to attach himself to anything conspiratorial. I believe he was born and raised in CA. He is a democrat. He was very entrenched in the science community with ties to all governmental agencies. So he was establishment. Big egos. His personal experience with virus then vaccines changed his mind it seems. As far as I can tell, he is not getting anything out of his stance. He could have said nothing and just enjoy his horses. That is his love btw. I think he was horrified he has been censored and hated by those he has worked with for most of his life. But it seems it is the kids being forced to be vaccinated and refusal by science community, governmental agencies to use drugs currently safe that have been around a long time, that has opened his eyes.
Seriously? Here he lists his patents. I don't have any patents do you?
The first patents:
Lipid-mediated polynucleotide administration to deliver a biologically active peptide and to induce a cellular immune response (includes mRNA). P Felgner, JA Wolff, GH Rhodes, R Malone, D Carson. Assigned to Vical, Inc and licensed to Merck. No. 7,250,404, date of issue: 7/31/07 Cited in 105 articles. Priority Date: 3/21/1989.
Lipid-mediated polynucleotide administration to reduce likelihood of subject's becoming infected (includes mRNA). P Felgner, JA Wolff, GH Rhodes, Robert W Malone, D Carson. Assigned to Vical, Inc and licensed to Merck. US Pat. Ser. No. 6,867,195 B1. Date of issue: 3/15/05. Priority Date: 3/21/1989.
Generation of an immune response to a pathogen (includes mRNA). P Felgner, JA Wolff, GH Rhodes, Robert W Malone, D Carson. Assigned to Vical, Inc and licensed to Merck. US Pat. Ser. No. 6,710,035. Date of issue: 3/23/04. Citations: 39 articles. Priority Date: 3/21/1989.
Expression of exogenous polynucleotide sequences in a vertebrate, mammal, fish, bird or human (includes mRNA). P Felgner, JA Wolff, GH Rhodes, Robert W Malone, D Carson. Assigned to Vical, Inc, licensed to Merck. US Pat. Ser. No. 6,673,776. Date of issue: 1/6/04. Priority Date: 3/21/1989.
Methods of delivering a physiologically active polypeptide to a mammal (includes mRNA). P Felgner, JA Wolff, GH Rhodes, Robert W Malone, D Carson. Assigned to Vical, Inc, licensed to Merck. US Pat. Ser. No. 6,413,942. Date of issue: 7/2/02. (cited in 150 articles). Priority Date: 3/21/1989.
Induction of a protective immune response in a mammal by injecting a DNA sequence (includes mRNA). P Felgner, JA Wolff, GH Rhodes, Robert W Malone, D Carson. Assigned to Vical, licensed to Merck. US Pat. Ser. No. 6,214,804, date of issue: 4/10/01. Cited in 360 articles. Priority Date: 3/21/1989.
Induction of a protective immune response in a mammal by injecting a DNA sequence (includes mRNA). P Felgner, JA Wolff, GH Rhodes, Robert W Malone, D Carson. Assigned to Vical, Inc, licensed to Merck. US Pat. Ser. No. 5,589,466. Date of issue: 12/31/96. Cited in 899 articles. Priority Date: 3/21/1989.
Delivery of exogenous DNA sequences in a mammal (includes mRNA). Assigned to Vical, Inc, licensed to Merck. P Felgner, JA Wolff, GH Rhodes, Robert W Malone, D Carson. US Pat. Ser. No. 5,580,859. Date of issue: 12/3/96. Cited in 1244 articles. Priority Date: 3/21/1989.
Generation of antibodies through lipid mediated DNA delivery (includes mRNA). P Felgner, JA Wolff, GH Rhodes, Robert W Malone, D Carson. Assigned to Vical, Inc, licensed to Merck. US Pat. Ser. No. 5,703,055. Date of issue: 12/30/97. Cited in 419 articles. Priority Date: 3/21/1989.
Below are some of the descriptions of the invention taken from the above patents - priority date 1989.
Some of my papers and other patents on this subject area (1988-2000)
A novel approach to study packaging of retroviral RNA by RNA transfection (Abstract). RW Malone, P. Felgner, I. Verma. RNA Tumor Viruses, May 17-18, 1988. Cold Spring Harbor (the first in a series of papers/abstracts on RNA transfection).
mRNA Transfection of cultured eukaryotic cells and embryos using cationic liposomes. Malone RW. Focus. 1989; 11:61-8
The SALK patent that was filed with the USPTO on 3/21/1989. Note that the cover letter hides this - and says it was filed on 3/29/89 - the sane date as all the VICAL patents, showing that there was collusion. WRITTEN BT ME IN 1988.
THE VERY FIRST mRNA VACCINE EXPERIMENTAL DATA 1990 (from Vical to patent office)
Cationic liposome-mediated RNA transfection. Malone RW, Felgner PL, Verma IM. Proc Natl Acad Sci (PNAS) U S A. 1989;86(16):6077-81. Cited in 749 articles.
Direct gene transfer into mouse muscle in vivo. Wolff JA, Malone RW, et al. Science. 1990;247(4949 Pt 1):1465-8. Cited in 4,750 articles. Note that Robert was a student at Northwestern, and was never affiliated with University of Wisc.
High levels of messenger RNA expression following cationic liposome mediated transfection tissue cultured cells. Malone R, Kumar R, Felgner P. NIH Conference: “Self-Cleaving RNA as an Anti-HIV Agent (abstract). Washington, DC June 1989.
Delivery of exogenous DNA (includes mRNA) sequences in a mammal P Felgner, JA Wolff, GH Rhodes, R Malone, D Carson. Biotechnology Advances 1993: 15 (3-4), 763-763
For a deeper dive into the actual data, patent disclosures, meeting notes, lab books, etc, go to this webpage.
Patents and papers - from the 1990s
DNA vaccines for eliciting a mucosal immune response (includes mRNA). US Pat. Ser. No. 6,110,898. Inventors: RW Malone and Jill Glasspool Malone. Date of issue: 8/29/00. Cited in 40 articles. Priority Date: 1996.
Formulations and methods for generating active cytofectin: polynucleotide transfection complexes. Robert W Malone, et al. US Pat. Ser. No. 5,925,623 7/20/99.
Cationic Transport Reagents. US Pat. Ser. No. 5,892,071 Robert W Malone, et. al. issued 4/06/99.
Polyfunctional cationic cytofectins, formulations and methods for generating active cytofectin: polynucleotide transfection complexes. Robert W Malone, et. al. US Pat. Ser. No. 5,824,812 issued 10/20/98.
Cationic Transport Reagents. Robert W Malone, et. al. US Pat. Ser. No. 5,744,625 issued 4/28/98.
Cationic Transport Reagents. Robert W Malone, et. al. US Pat. Ser. No. 5,527,928, date of issue: 6/18/96.
Marked enhancement of macaque respiratory tissue transfection by aurintricarboxylic acid. Glasspool-Malone J, …, Malone RW. Gene Med. 2002;4(3):323-2.
Enhancing direct in vivo transfection with nuclease inhibitors and pulsed electrical fields. Glasspool-Malone J, Malone RW. In Gene Therapy Methods: Methods Enzymol. 2002;346:72-91
Cutaneous transfection and immune responses to intradermal nucleic acid vaccination are significantly enhanced by in vivo electropermeabilization. Drabick JJ, Glasspool-Malone J, …, Malone RW. Mol Ther. 2001;3(2):249-55. Cited in 192 articles.
Theory and in vivo application of electroporative gene delivery. Somiari S, Glasspool-Malone J, … Malone RW. Mol Ther. 2000;2(3):178-87. Cited in 345 articles.
Developing dendritic cell polynucleotide vaccination for prostate cancer immunotherapy. Berlyn KA, …, Malone RW J Biotechnol. 1999;73(2-3):155-79
Models of Cationic Liposome Mediated Transfection. Gene Therapy and Molecular Biology. Ahearn A, Malone RW. Vol 4. Gene Therapy and Molecular Biology 1999;4
Cationic lipid-mediated gene delivery to murine lung: correlation of lipid hydration with in vivo transfection activity. Bennett MJ, …, Malone RW, Nantz MH. J Med Chem. 1997;40(25):4069-78
Considerations for the design of improved cationic amphiphile-based transfection reagents. Bennett MJ, …, Malone RW. Journal of Liposome Research 1996;6(3):545-65
Structural and functional analysis of cationic transfection lipids: the hydrophobic domain. Balasubramaniam RP, …, Malone RW. Gene Ther. 1996;3(2):163-72. cited in 172 articles.
A flexible approach to synthetic lipid ammonium salts for polynucleotide transfection. MJ Bennett, RW Malone, MH Nantz. Tetrahedron letters 36 (13), 2207-2210
I'm not talking about Malone's profession credentials. It's talk like this:
MALONE: "The other thing for me has been the personal journey of coming to terms with what the World Economic Forum really represents. And I really resisted that. People were initially coming to me talking about the ‘Great Reset.’ And I was like that’s crazy talk. But then it’s all documented. And then you see it being deployed." (Source: https://humansarefree.com/2022/01/dr-robert-malone-exposes-the-great-reset.html)
The "Great Reset" has been "documented"? Do you have source notes for that as well, Katie J???
That is the kind of talk that damages his credibility and makes him sound like a kook.
As the saying goes, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof." You can't just say there is a great vax conspiracy without any EVIDENCE. Where is the evidence?
Maybe start with 'COVID-19 and the Great Reset' a book written in June of 2020 by Klaus Schwab...the guy that runs the World Economic Forum.
After that you can read RFK Jr's new book, which gets into some of this towards the end. After that I'd recommend The Corbett Report's video on Bill Gates.
I mean, if you're genuine. If not, I suppose you can keep pretending it's not a thing since the little tag on youtube has assured you it's not real.
So you're on this board, paying for the right to comment, and you don't think there's a conspiracy around these vaccines?
Also, define extraordinary. This isn't a theological discussion, so you're going to have to use an actual argument.
Lastly, are you even familiar with what's contained in my references or are you just being a dink for no reason? Does god have to come down and tell you the Great Reset is real?
These things are absolutely true and you are showing yourself to be a government-paid propagandist for flagrantly dismissing what's easy to confirm for yourself if you just order Klaus's book off of Amazon.
Your comments about Malone are plain ridiculous, you are here to shape a narrative, and you know it.
If the vaccinated are indeed more likely to become infected and spread infection, I'm wondering if 50% of Democrat voters will begin to demand that the vaccinated are placed in permanent quarantine. You know, for the greater good.
“I’ve never met a happy Liberal Democrat”. Yikes, how true!! The ones I know possess most or all of these traits: unhappy, mean, quick to anger, indignant and narcissistic. Hands down.
They're unhappy because creating misery for themselves, then projecting the cause outward, is literally the definition of leftism.
To be leftist is to say, I cannot solve my problems, I give up on them. Instead, other people must be forced to solve my problems. Therefore, the way I solve my problems is to force other people to act differently.
That's leftism. That's all of it. Not leaving anyone be is literally in the definition. So is being a miserable bitch.
funny , i just got a phone call for my annual in home heathcare checkup from United Healthcare.
After answering their ridiculous COVID questions which included them asking me if I had tested positive for COVID in the last 2 weeks and other silly questions. (To that test question I explained the test is for presence of the viral SC-2 not existence of the disease.)
At the end they explained their nurse would be masked up etc and would I be willing to wear a mask during the appointment,
My answer was no, they then asked me to do a virtual appointment to which I replied, no.
The entire healthcare industry seems to be comprised of ignorant morons.
Please make nice with Dr. Malone & ask him. You don't need to agree with him on everything. You don't agree with RFK, Jr. on everything, but still engage in a dialogue. You, Dr. Malone & Steve Kirsch are awesome. Work together!
This message board has become a large group Dr. Malone cultists. Sad. I like Dr. Malone and he appears extremely well versed in the covid situation as a whole. But why do these people feel like they need to defend him constantly or carry his water. It’s no different than the cult of Fauci. Dr. Malone is not above being questioned. Alex berenson isn’t either. Neither one of them owes anyone on this thread anything. If 1 statement from somebody on 1 issue means that you abandon them in an instant or dismiss them entirely, you are part of the problem.
Seriously. I like Dr. Malone. He doesn't need random people to defend him here. If you folks want to unsubscribe from Berenson over it, go ahead. Stop cluttering up the comments, which is usually an interesting wealth of information, with complaints about a Malone - Berenson feud. It's disappointing and obnoxious.
I'm beginning to wonder if some of them are "inside the wire". They don't support Berenson or Malone and are here to stir up trouble for Team Apocalypse. Ignore them.
Berenson and Malone are big boys. They don't need anyone defending them. They don't have to like each other. They don't have to agree on anything. They don't have to make nice.
The ratio of CD4 vs CD8 T cells is a telling sign. This is what happens in HIV/AIDS patients. Not surprised since the human infective component of the SARS COV-2 virus,the spike protein is from an HIV pseudovirus. As long as these imbalances occur, expect the immune response to mirror HIV.
Hey Alex, if you need a virologist, call Bruce Patterson to help address your concerns. Or go watch his Ted Talk presentation.
I second that recommendation. I have seen a handful of people talk about "the other T cell" problem as a kind of "reverse AIDS." But that is an interesting thread to follow up.
Maybe it is time Patterson and Berenson had a conversation after all the peer reviewed publications following Patterson team's analysis of scores of biomarkers and finding a core of predictive biomarkers that also are responsive to treatment.
I would hope we would all be ok with folks disagreeing. After a wonderful debate we can read/listen and hopefully make more informed decisions. Certainly, seems to be missing these days.
I don't know what Aja is referring to in terms of a "pseudovirus". But I had saved this article about similarities between the novel coronavirus and HIV:
Too bad the article has been withdrawn. I suspect that's because it supports the lab-leak theory rather than natural origin of SARS-CoV-2. (I got that impression from the brief abstract.)
For encouragement to all of you. Here is one person’s story so far. Me. In early 2020, I started following this virus from the beginning. I was never “careful” and was infected in June 2020. I got a fever and got sick, went and got tested and was confirmed with Covid-19. Was sick about 3 days and the fatigue lasted a bit longer. I understand “immunity from infection” and was very relieved to have gotten it out of the way. Based on my understanding of science and immunity, I lived my normal life and have ever since. A year later in June of 2021 I had an annual physical which included blood work. I requested they do a test for Covid antibodies at that time. The results showed that I had antibodies a year later. That was June of 2021. Last week, January of 2022, my wife got sick and I took her to get tested. She tested positive for Covid-19. She had not been infected before. We assume this is the Omicron variant. Being hard headed and trusting science as my understanding of immunity, I purposely did not isolate from her. We slept together, and I cared for her and lived in the same house with no separation. Call me crazy, but I did my own experiment to see if I would get it or if my immunity was real and strong. It’s been six days now and I have no symptoms. For grins I went and got tested. Negative. In my unprofessional experiment, I see this as a “natural booster”. My natural immunity took care of business. I am unvaccinated. Nobody has been able or willing to explain to me why I need a vaccine for a disease I have already had and recovered from. Now I’ve been totally exposed to it again and suffered no infection. I realize this could possibly change in the coming days, and if it does I will report back. But my experience has seen that three or four days is when you see symptoms if you are going to see them. Natural immunity is real, it’s effective, and it’s lasting. I hope this is
Similar for me. My mom and I were never masked or isolated. We got Covid in January 2021, had moderate symptoms (loss of taste and smell, very tired) and took all the dope (HCQ, IVM, zinc, Vit D, Vit C.) My daughter came down with it on Monday. Mom and I worked the church nursery with her for two hours on Sunday, right before her symptoms arrived.
Since then, I've been taking food and supplies into her home, kissing her kids, visiting with her hubby, etc. No sign of any reinfection, but I wasn't worried.
I will say this though. My son had it at the same time I did. He also had the loss of taste and smell and exhaustion. He swears he got it again about eight months later. He said he had similar symptoms and tested positive. So maybe he's an outlier, and maybe if you have a mild case, you might catch another mild case. Or it might have been the flu, which also shows up positive on the tests.
And I should add, my mom is 89 and I'm celebrating my 29th birthday (again.) She is quite high risk and I'm not exactly a spring chicken, in spite of my young 29 years of age. We think the dope helped us.
"The Good Stuff is in the Appendix." So true! I just published an analysis of a CDC-sponsored study purporting to show that the Pfizer vax works well in teens. As usual, the good stuff was in the appendix, and it didn't tell the story the CDC was trying to tell. You can read it here:
New England Journal of Medicine Puts Lipstick on a [CDC] Pig, Again
I feel like these scientists are held hostage and speaking in coded language, "help me!".
They publish the raw scientific data, which flies over the heads of the censors, the dolts in the mainstream media, and the political class, but completely undermines The Narrative.
And, then, they write flowery conclusions that toe the party line.
Interesting take. I personally have been wondering why they bother to do the studies in the first place. If they're going to just make up the conclusions anyway, why not make up all the data as well?
Just subscribed. And underscores dire need for all readers of research to go way past the title and abstract and deep into the details of the article, references and so on.
So true. The first Lancet paper trying to say the virus was not man-made pulled that trick. The claims they made in the Abstract and Introduction were more definitive than what they said in the Discussion. They hope no one reads that far. Most in the media don’t.
Scientists and research institutions must stop taking federal money. Now it’s becoming obvious that the NIH holds sway over more than just the subject of the work done, but also the conclusions that one must reach. And recently, of course, the government has decided, for institutions (entire universities, for example) that it funds ONLY PARTIALLY, that it can make demands about who can be hired and who must be fired. Today, because covid. Tomorrow, because equity! Next year, because domestic terrorism (dissidents)!
So if this is true (and anecdotally I have seen it as vaccinated people are getting sick again around me) then it will be the vaccinated that keep this pandemic going. Oh the irony.
There are now rapidly increasing numbers of national and regional health ministries that employed either widespread distribution or “test and treat” programs with ivermectin that show that, had we done the same in the U.S, we could have single-handedly achieved near complete control of case counts, hospitalizations rates, and deaths. Early treatment program results from around the world show the following:
· Mexico City – The IMSSS Health Agency compared over 50,000 patients treated early with ivermectin to over 70,000 not treated and found up to a 75% reduction in need for hospitalization.
· La Misiones, Argentina – Health Ministry analyzed the data from 4,000 ivermectin treated patients and, compared to the rest of the population over the same time period, found a 75% reduction in need for hospital and an 88% reduction in death.
· Uttar Pradesh, India – Using a strategy of close surveillance combined with both ivermectin treatment of all positive cases and preventive treatment of all family contacts. On September 10, 2021, only 11 cases with no deaths were recorded in a population of 241 million..with 67 of their 75 districts having no active cases at the time.
· The Brazilian city of Itajai offerred ivermectin as prevention to the entire city’s population with 133,051 (60%) agreeing to take ivermectin every two weeks for 6 months. Compared to the 45,716 city inhabitants that declined to use ivermectin, ivermectin users were 47% less likely to contract illness, had a 70% lower mortality rate, and a 67% lower hospitalization rate. By the end of the 6 month program, the citywide COVID mortality fell from 6.8% to 1.8%.
· La Pampas, Argentina – Health Ministry compared over 2,000 patients they treated early with ivermectin to over 12,000 without treatment and found that in patients over 40, rates of ICU admission and death both fell by 40%.
· Peru – A nationwide mass-distribution program called “Mega-Operación Tayta” (MOT), initiated at various times across 25 states of Peru in May 2020, led to a 74% drop in regional excess deaths within a month, with each drop beginning 11 days after each MOT region’s varied start times
· The Health Ministry of Sultan Kudarat in the Phillipines launched an ivermectin drive and found that cases rapidly dropped by 86%. compared to nearby regions
· In Japan, the President of the Tokyo Medical Association recommended that all physicians start to use ivermectin as early treatment during their summer surge. They are now recording the lowest rate of COVID hospitalization in the pandemic.
· 23 countries (39 including NGO’s) have now given either partial or full approval for use in COVID, which encompasses 25% of the world’s population.
The information I have delivered here today is being suppressed across most of the world’s corporate media and (corporation controlled) medical journals. Further,United States Health Agency structures and policies created over the last 50 years have tightly intertwined the pharmaceutical industry with public health institutions and these actions have resulted in relentless and repeated policies by those agencies that lead to the repeated placing of pharmaceutical industry interests ahead of the welfare of U.S citizens. The pharmaceutical industry’s capture of our health agencies, combined with their increasing influence over most major media, social media, and medical journals has led to their ability to widely suppress and control all information supporting the efficacy of decades-old generic medicines over their novel, patented, obscenely profitable, and barely tested products . Their ability to control this information has allowed an unchecked rapaciousness in the conduct of their decades long-war on off-patent medicines. Their profit-making interests are now the single largest root cause of what are now crimes against humanity given the widespread morbidity, mortality, and loss of societal and economic liberties that have resulted from the lack of access to these medicines during the COVID pandemic.
You are assuming that the public health agencies actually desire health for the population.
What if they are in fact in the pay of and controlled by the global powers that want to depopulate the world and institute totalitarian rule everywhere? When you consider this possibility, everything about the covid pandemic makes perfect sense.
The public health response to this pandemic has been a brilliant, shining example of why we can never allow a single payer medical system in this country. It’s no longer a debate over degrees of efficiency and innovation. Now it’s about keeping our population from being systematically exterminated.
I will get through this Alex. But I have an over arching question. Will we be able to reverse the damage being done to people that have taken these jabs?
Our immune system evolved over a million years, what could go wrong with reprogramming it with a barely tested brand new technology (asked almost no one)
John I can't agree with you enough. It is an awful unknown and I continued to be shocked by those who have elected to get the jabs NOT KNOWING the potential effects down the road. Even from the very beginning of Trump's rollout I had these concerns and was ridiculed by many for even questioning the efficacy of these injections. It is stunning to see how many doctors and other medical professionals who have jumped on board including Dr. Robert Malone who admitted he did not know and trusted those who were producing it and peddling out and he became very sick and nearly died himself.
I'm afraid you are right - but I'm not sure that we can make that strong a statement - can we - at this stage in the game? We only have a year's data with the vaccine.
Don't everybody attack me - I'm just trying to be fair about the conclusions we are drawing here - we have very preliminary data for this, at this point.
In short. Work on your body going forward better than ever. Vit D, Zinc. But at least 10k IU's of D. 1k won't move the needle. Lower or lay off on carbs and sugars as much as you can. Get your BMI down. More cardio and just more enjoying life. State of mind and outlook is just as powerful as anything else. Build community and thrive the rest of your(our) days.
Absolutely. You can stop taking a drug if you're allergic. You can take out a defective pacemaker but you can't get unvaccinated and OAS assures it's permanent.
Original antigenic sin. As I understand it, your body primes for the first threat it encounters and for the vaccinated that means one spike protein. Once it mutates your protection is gone.
Natural immunity is much broader as it attacks various aspects of the virus so if one part mutates it still attacks the rest. Vaccinated people's immune systems don't "learn" this and keep attacking the mutated spike protein.
I think the situation is even worse than what you describe. For some people, their bodies continue to make the spike protein for a long time, maybe forever. The spike protein is toxic to the body. So they remain sick from the vax till the day they die.
I'm speaking as someone who for terrible (tragic, indefensible) reasons succumbed to the pressure to get vaxed, against my better judgment. I became extremely sick after the second dose of the Pfizer poison. I was very sick for months. I experienced numerous severe adverse reactions, in practically every system in my body (cardiac, respiratory / pulmonary, musculoskeletal, neurological, etc.) and I have lasting neurological damage due to strokes or microstrokes and / or massive, sustained inflammation for weeks on end.
The idea that my body is might still be producing this poison is what really scares me. Covid never scared me at all. I'm pretty sure I had it in early February 2020. It was a like a moderately bad flu, followed by weeks of post-viral fatigue. The fatigue didn't surprise me: I experience that every time I become sick with anything other than a mild cold.
Do you mean it permanently alters the immune system in general or that it specifically alters immunity to this particular virus? Is there any evidence that it affects immunity to other coronaviruses or to other pathogens?
Know someone who suffered a shingles flare up after 2nd jab... was so excited to get boosted once the shingles went away... lo and behold, what happened after the booster? Yup. At least she knows that she will no longer get jabbed... while living for the rest of her life with shingles.
Would you expand on how they alter the immune system for better if the antibody protection they deliver wanes and seems to lose effectivity with each successive variant? I would like to think I am missing something but I fear I am not. Thanks.
How common would you expect "immune incompetence" to be in a study of young healthy people? You don't sound intelligent you sound like you need a booster
Would be interested to see about J&J. I had J&J in august and just got omicron 2 weeks ago. I had a couple days of chills and body aches, no shortness of breath or cough, very little congestion. Friends of mine who are boosted are getting Covid right and left and seem to be having a much worse time than I had with Covid. I know it’s anecdotal but my unvaxxed and non boosted friends and family seem to be doing better with symptoms than those boosted. Would love to see actual data coming out. I do hope I was able to get long term immunity. But considering how minor my symptoms were, not sure I need to be worried
I can't see that they investigated anything with this snake oil. The general public is the "investigation." The general public is the "clinical trials."
Don't get me started about the so-called vaccine for kids.
Precisely the reason why I would not take the vaccine! I've had this exact thought many times. I know my own inability to test for and capture bugs in my own code, so I have to assume that's true of other science fields.
I worked over 30 years in IT including 22 with a vendor whose name you would recognise. That said, I learned (the hard way) a long time ago to never ever ever trust the 1.0 version of a product. What's that version number on these newfangled "vaxes"? Not even 1.0. Not even close...
Yes - I had not made that connection (don't know why not)... it's almost universal that no company wants to install the 1.0 version of a mission critical piece of software. Or even the x.1 version. Let somebody else be on the bleeding edge - I'll get the software after the bugs are worked out.
Guess we should have realized that was true of Covid Vax 1.0
Even worse are methodological epidemiologists who saw NO PROBLEM with estimating infection rates based on mass, asymptomatic screening — and comparing these rates against influenza which has never undergone mass screening. SMDH.
Maybe Robert Malone can take a look for you. :) He's an esteemed expert in virology, immunology and molecular biology.
Do you guys actually stay subscribed anxiously waiting for a post so you can make juvenile comments?
Pretty sad.
I stayed subscribed because even though Alex's attack on Robert Malone was bizarre and suspect, I still find his info important and beneficial. But, I'm gonna call him out on it none the less, why shouldn't I?
My accountant is a grade A asshole - but his a very good accountant. Alex was an asshole to Malone (for whatever reason). But his good at what he does and I personally value that.
Don't care about the personalities involved, just that they are good at what they do.
Mr. Spock wasn’t part of the crew because he was warm and fuzzy
You may have permission to leave
"stupid conspiratorial gibberish"
If you aren't looking at larger forces shaping the our response, you will miss what's actually happening and why.
It is no longer a theory. It IS a CONSPIRACY. Wake up
The difference between a conspiracy theory and a theory is 6 weeks.
"Conspiratorial gibberish" is a cheap rhetorical technique where a perpetrator bullies a victim for ever doubting the perpetrator's good intent. Many victims will fold to avoid embarrassment, which allows the perpetrator to proceed unhindered.
Here's Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte attempting to use this scoundrel's technique against what he thinks is an inexperienced MP, Gideon Van Meijeren. Van Meijeren handles this expertly, and Rutte is exposed as a fraud with sinister intent:
https://files.catbox.moe/3pwyos.mp4
To drive the point home, easily found pictures of Mark Rutte with Klaus Schwab:
https://files.catbox.moe/w4vxcj.jpg
Since Alex is likewise dismissing very credible people with very credible claims, we need to worry about Alex being a pied piper whose job is to point out the mechanism, but hide the scheme. They DO want Americans' trust in their government to collapse, but they DON'T want people to distrust the internationalists that will come to "save" us.
Weird, I don't actually see Malone do deep dives into anything of actual substance. He seems to read other people's blogs and then regurgitates this information on his own blog or other media appearances. Doing things like actually ripping apart these pseudo-scientific papers and then publicizing his findings would be way too much work for the inventor of MRNA vaccines.
well - I have seen him do lots more than that - perhaps you choose not to look?
Please link me to an example. I can almost guarantee that it will be superficial commentary on work that someone else (Alex, El Gato, etc.) has done. Or his typical vague name dropping and alluding to things he knows without providing any usable detail.
The kind of stuff that Alex shares, you can forward or post on social media and it gets people to scratch their heads and start questioning the narrative.
The kind of stuff Malone posts is generally phrased in such a way that normies think that you are a conspiracy theorist if you send it their way.
But, if you have examples of Malone actually digging through papers and doing empirical work of his own, I would be happy to look at them.
He invented mRNA vaccines too.
He did not. He said that many times. He had nothing to do with vaccines. He did work on the mRNA technology. He did take vaccines which nearly killed him. He also got virus. The real goal here is for pharma to use mRNA with more cancer patients. Treating cancer has barely moved the needle with most cancers. They insist they are looking for cure. They are not. They are looking for more drugs to sell that offer minimal improvement. Chemo is still the choice. Chemo is poison. So basically when you are sick with cancer, your body not able to keep up with replicating cancer cells, you are given poison to make you better long term. Hmmm.
Not just poison, chemo destroys your immune system- the very thing you need to keep cancer at bay.
Yup, bizarre isn’t? When Pfizer did their 6 mos trial, they got government protection and then gave the control group the vaccines. So no way to compare the vaccinated and placebo. Same thing with cancer. When diagnosed, tumor removed unless blood cancer, and then everybody gets chemo as adjunct therapy. So no way to tell if just removing tumor removes the threat of more cancer. Science says chemo is a must. So in my case, several tumors were removed. I refused chemo. Also no hormone therapy. I wanted medical establishment to follow me and all others like me that acted as control group. Not one doctor would follow me. The killer is they saw no point of doing so. They felt I was so wrong, they just felt pity for me, believing I would be dead by now. They literally told me I would be sorry I refused chemo, and then it would be too late. My experience with 2 cancer bouts changed my view of the medical world. Where is the curiosity? Most are myopic because they were all trained the same.
Good for you! You were wise, brave, and made the right decision.
I will never take chemotherapy. I've known this for decades, even before my mother died a long, drawn-out, horrible death from chemo for lung cancer twenty-two years ago. (She had never smoked in her life, in case you're wondering.)
But he seems to be busy appearing on Steve Bannon's War Room show talking bout hemorrhagic fever.
I say Leave 'iMalone.
Interesting. I found Malone for the past year or so loath to attach himself to anything conspiratorial. I believe he was born and raised in CA. He is a democrat. He was very entrenched in the science community with ties to all governmental agencies. So he was establishment. Big egos. His personal experience with virus then vaccines changed his mind it seems. As far as I can tell, he is not getting anything out of his stance. He could have said nothing and just enjoy his horses. That is his love btw. I think he was horrified he has been censored and hated by those he has worked with for most of his life. But it seems it is the kids being forced to be vaccinated and refusal by science community, governmental agencies to use drugs currently safe that have been around a long time, that has opened his eyes.
Not surprised. I mentioned “egos”. The world of academics.
boring
He’s a showman too but he’s right most of the time. It’s sad these two thought leaders can’t kiss and make up.
I think I'd prefer an expert who hasn't damaged his credibility by making claims that aren't completely supported by the evidence.
Seriously? Here he lists his patents. I don't have any patents do you?
The first patents:
Lipid-mediated polynucleotide administration to deliver a biologically active peptide and to induce a cellular immune response (includes mRNA). P Felgner, JA Wolff, GH Rhodes, R Malone, D Carson. Assigned to Vical, Inc and licensed to Merck. No. 7,250,404, date of issue: 7/31/07 Cited in 105 articles. Priority Date: 3/21/1989.
Lipid-mediated polynucleotide administration to reduce likelihood of subject's becoming infected (includes mRNA). P Felgner, JA Wolff, GH Rhodes, Robert W Malone, D Carson. Assigned to Vical, Inc and licensed to Merck. US Pat. Ser. No. 6,867,195 B1. Date of issue: 3/15/05. Priority Date: 3/21/1989.
Generation of an immune response to a pathogen (includes mRNA). P Felgner, JA Wolff, GH Rhodes, Robert W Malone, D Carson. Assigned to Vical, Inc and licensed to Merck. US Pat. Ser. No. 6,710,035. Date of issue: 3/23/04. Citations: 39 articles. Priority Date: 3/21/1989.
Expression of exogenous polynucleotide sequences in a vertebrate, mammal, fish, bird or human (includes mRNA). P Felgner, JA Wolff, GH Rhodes, Robert W Malone, D Carson. Assigned to Vical, Inc, licensed to Merck. US Pat. Ser. No. 6,673,776. Date of issue: 1/6/04. Priority Date: 3/21/1989.
Methods of delivering a physiologically active polypeptide to a mammal (includes mRNA). P Felgner, JA Wolff, GH Rhodes, Robert W Malone, D Carson. Assigned to Vical, Inc, licensed to Merck. US Pat. Ser. No. 6,413,942. Date of issue: 7/2/02. (cited in 150 articles). Priority Date: 3/21/1989.
Induction of a protective immune response in a mammal by injecting a DNA sequence (includes mRNA). P Felgner, JA Wolff, GH Rhodes, Robert W Malone, D Carson. Assigned to Vical, licensed to Merck. US Pat. Ser. No. 6,214,804, date of issue: 4/10/01. Cited in 360 articles. Priority Date: 3/21/1989.
Induction of a protective immune response in a mammal by injecting a DNA sequence (includes mRNA). P Felgner, JA Wolff, GH Rhodes, Robert W Malone, D Carson. Assigned to Vical, Inc, licensed to Merck. US Pat. Ser. No. 5,589,466. Date of issue: 12/31/96. Cited in 899 articles. Priority Date: 3/21/1989.
Delivery of exogenous DNA sequences in a mammal (includes mRNA). Assigned to Vical, Inc, licensed to Merck. P Felgner, JA Wolff, GH Rhodes, Robert W Malone, D Carson. US Pat. Ser. No. 5,580,859. Date of issue: 12/3/96. Cited in 1244 articles. Priority Date: 3/21/1989.
Generation of antibodies through lipid mediated DNA delivery (includes mRNA). P Felgner, JA Wolff, GH Rhodes, Robert W Malone, D Carson. Assigned to Vical, Inc, licensed to Merck. US Pat. Ser. No. 5,703,055. Date of issue: 12/30/97. Cited in 419 articles. Priority Date: 3/21/1989.
Below are some of the descriptions of the invention taken from the above patents - priority date 1989.
Some of my papers and other patents on this subject area (1988-2000)
A novel approach to study packaging of retroviral RNA by RNA transfection (Abstract). RW Malone, P. Felgner, I. Verma. RNA Tumor Viruses, May 17-18, 1988. Cold Spring Harbor (the first in a series of papers/abstracts on RNA transfection).
mRNA Transfection of cultured eukaryotic cells and embryos using cationic liposomes. Malone RW. Focus. 1989; 11:61-8
The SALK patent that was filed with the USPTO on 3/21/1989. Note that the cover letter hides this - and says it was filed on 3/29/89 - the sane date as all the VICAL patents, showing that there was collusion. WRITTEN BT ME IN 1988.
THE VERY FIRST mRNA VACCINE EXPERIMENTAL DATA 1990 (from Vical to patent office)
Cationic liposome-mediated RNA transfection. Malone RW, Felgner PL, Verma IM. Proc Natl Acad Sci (PNAS) U S A. 1989;86(16):6077-81. Cited in 749 articles.
Direct gene transfer into mouse muscle in vivo. Wolff JA, Malone RW, et al. Science. 1990;247(4949 Pt 1):1465-8. Cited in 4,750 articles. Note that Robert was a student at Northwestern, and was never affiliated with University of Wisc.
High levels of messenger RNA expression following cationic liposome mediated transfection tissue cultured cells. Malone R, Kumar R, Felgner P. NIH Conference: “Self-Cleaving RNA as an Anti-HIV Agent (abstract). Washington, DC June 1989.
Cationic liposome-mediated RNA transfection. Dwarki VJ, Malone RW, Verma IM. Methods Enzymol. 1993;217:644-54. Cited in: 102 articles.
Delivery of exogenous DNA (includes mRNA) sequences in a mammal P Felgner, JA Wolff, GH Rhodes, R Malone, D Carson. Biotechnology Advances 1993: 15 (3-4), 763-763
For a deeper dive into the actual data, patent disclosures, meeting notes, lab books, etc, go to this webpage.
Patents and papers - from the 1990s
DNA vaccines for eliciting a mucosal immune response (includes mRNA). US Pat. Ser. No. 6,110,898. Inventors: RW Malone and Jill Glasspool Malone. Date of issue: 8/29/00. Cited in 40 articles. Priority Date: 1996.
Formulations and methods for generating active cytofectin: polynucleotide transfection complexes. Robert W Malone, et al. US Pat. Ser. No. 5,925,623 7/20/99.
Cationic Transport Reagents. US Pat. Ser. No. 5,892,071 Robert W Malone, et. al. issued 4/06/99.
Polyfunctional cationic cytofectins, formulations and methods for generating active cytofectin: polynucleotide transfection complexes. Robert W Malone, et. al. US Pat. Ser. No. 5,824,812 issued 10/20/98.
Cationic Transport Reagents. Robert W Malone, et. al. US Pat. Ser. No. 5,744,625 issued 4/28/98.
Cationic Transport Reagents. Robert W Malone, et. al. US Pat. Ser. No. 5,527,928, date of issue: 6/18/96.
Marked enhancement of macaque respiratory tissue transfection by aurintricarboxylic acid. Glasspool-Malone J, …, Malone RW. Gene Med. 2002;4(3):323-2.
Enhancing direct in vivo transfection with nuclease inhibitors and pulsed electrical fields. Glasspool-Malone J, Malone RW. In Gene Therapy Methods: Methods Enzymol. 2002;346:72-91
Cutaneous transfection and immune responses to intradermal nucleic acid vaccination are significantly enhanced by in vivo electropermeabilization. Drabick JJ, Glasspool-Malone J, …, Malone RW. Mol Ther. 2001;3(2):249-55. Cited in 192 articles.
Theory and in vivo application of electroporative gene delivery. Somiari S, Glasspool-Malone J, … Malone RW. Mol Ther. 2000;2(3):178-87. Cited in 345 articles.
Efficient nonviral cutaneous transfection. Glasspool-Malone J, …, Malone RW. Mol Ther. 2000;2(2):140-6. Cited in 138 articles.
Developing dendritic cell polynucleotide vaccination for prostate cancer immunotherapy. Berlyn KA, …, Malone RW J Biotechnol. 1999;73(2-3):155-79
Models of Cationic Liposome Mediated Transfection. Gene Therapy and Molecular Biology. Ahearn A, Malone RW. Vol 4. Gene Therapy and Molecular Biology 1999;4
Cationic lipid-mediated gene delivery to murine lung: correlation of lipid hydration with in vivo transfection activity. Bennett MJ, …, Malone RW, Nantz MH. J Med Chem. 1997;40(25):4069-78
Considerations for the design of improved cationic amphiphile-based transfection reagents. Bennett MJ, …, Malone RW. Journal of Liposome Research 1996;6(3):545-65
Structural and functional analysis of cationic transfection lipids: the hydrophobic domain. Balasubramaniam RP, …, Malone RW. Gene Ther. 1996;3(2):163-72. cited in 172 articles.
A flexible approach to synthetic lipid ammonium salts for polynucleotide transfection. MJ Bennett, RW Malone, MH Nantz. Tetrahedron letters 36 (13), 2207-2210
I'm not talking about Malone's profession credentials. It's talk like this:
MALONE: "The other thing for me has been the personal journey of coming to terms with what the World Economic Forum really represents. And I really resisted that. People were initially coming to me talking about the ‘Great Reset.’ And I was like that’s crazy talk. But then it’s all documented. And then you see it being deployed." (Source: https://humansarefree.com/2022/01/dr-robert-malone-exposes-the-great-reset.html)
The "Great Reset" has been "documented"? Do you have source notes for that as well, Katie J???
That is the kind of talk that damages his credibility and makes him sound like a kook.
As the saying goes, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof." You can't just say there is a great vax conspiracy without any EVIDENCE. Where is the evidence?
Maybe start with 'COVID-19 and the Great Reset' a book written in June of 2020 by Klaus Schwab...the guy that runs the World Economic Forum.
After that you can read RFK Jr's new book, which gets into some of this towards the end. After that I'd recommend The Corbett Report's video on Bill Gates.
I mean, if you're genuine. If not, I suppose you can keep pretending it's not a thing since the little tag on youtube has assured you it's not real.
I guess you missed the part about extraordinary claims requiring EXTRAORDINARY PROOF.
So you're on this board, paying for the right to comment, and you don't think there's a conspiracy around these vaccines?
Also, define extraordinary. This isn't a theological discussion, so you're going to have to use an actual argument.
Lastly, are you even familiar with what's contained in my references or are you just being a dink for no reason? Does god have to come down and tell you the Great Reset is real?
Yes, here it is... https://www.amazon.com/COVID-19-Great-Reset-Klaus-Schwab/dp/2940631123
These things are absolutely true and you are showing yourself to be a government-paid propagandist for flagrantly dismissing what's easy to confirm for yourself if you just order Klaus's book off of Amazon.
Your comments about Malone are plain ridiculous, you are here to shape a narrative, and you know it.
https://smile.amazon.com/COVID-19-Great-Reset-Klaus-Schwab/dp/2940631123/ref=sr_1_3?crid=2ATYSZWFG03NN&keywords=covid+19+the+great+reset+klaus+schwab&qid=1642736793&sprefix=great+reset+klau%2Caps%2C97&sr=8-3
That was very cryptic. Which of these experts are you criticizing? Just curious. I have no ax to grind
Snarky, eh? 🤓😏🥸
If the vaccinated are indeed more likely to become infected and spread infection, I'm wondering if 50% of Democrat voters will begin to demand that the vaccinated are placed in permanent quarantine. You know, for the greater good.
This assumes the 50% will ever have this information….it’s unlikely their “news” sources will tell them.
Exactly, especially with their religious leader...the Pope of Horse Poop himself Dr. Fauci, who I suppose doesn't keep up with current events...
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/fauci-worst-case-scenario-for-2022-is-variant-that-eludes-vaccine-protection-194015191.html
https://www.dailywire.com/news/poll-faucis-popularity-crumbles-among-young-americans-four-out-of-five-say-he-should-resign
We can only hope.
🤞
Hahahaha 🤣🤣
"We're all in it together" 🤢🤮🤢
I needed a laugh, thanks!
It's just a matter of time.
because a lot of them didn't actually get the jab?
They are Communists, at heart…it’s never enough, nothing makes them happy & you’re spot-on….they want to hurt you.
“I’ve never met a happy Liberal Democrat”. Yikes, how true!! The ones I know possess most or all of these traits: unhappy, mean, quick to anger, indignant and narcissistic. Hands down.
They're unhappy because creating misery for themselves, then projecting the cause outward, is literally the definition of leftism.
To be leftist is to say, I cannot solve my problems, I give up on them. Instead, other people must be forced to solve my problems. Therefore, the way I solve my problems is to force other people to act differently.
That's leftism. That's all of it. Not leaving anyone be is literally in the definition. So is being a miserable bitch.
funny , i just got a phone call for my annual in home heathcare checkup from United Healthcare.
After answering their ridiculous COVID questions which included them asking me if I had tested positive for COVID in the last 2 weeks and other silly questions. (To that test question I explained the test is for presence of the viral SC-2 not existence of the disease.)
At the end they explained their nurse would be masked up etc and would I be willing to wear a mask during the appointment,
My answer was no, they then asked me to do a virtual appointment to which I replied, no.
The entire healthcare industry seems to be comprised of ignorant morons.
I will NOT give in to the fear charade
I did the same thing with UHC when I had the same phone call: tests are unreliable; no I won't wear a mask. "Virtual appointment" is nonsense.
Hooray for us.
Please make nice with Dr. Malone & ask him. You don't need to agree with him on everything. You don't agree with RFK, Jr. on everything, but still engage in a dialogue. You, Dr. Malone & Steve Kirsch are awesome. Work together!
Make nice?? Get along? Are they five years old?
Can someone go suggest to Malone that it's grandiose to compare himself to Socrates?
Why are you still on this?
And your confidence in him is dependent on with whom he gets along?
why so you can force him to your beliefs we are all entitled to our opinion not yours
You people are highly annoying.
get over it, this is about vaccines not working
STFU
YSTFUT
Did you stay up late to come up with that?
Are you seven?
LOL - says the guy who made the stupid comment initially.
Oh honey, the Malone sycophant started it.
Mommy’s calling you for lunch.
and a Berenson sycophant is perpetuating it...
Since my name is also John - it is a bit confusing to me :-)
I bet he would return Alex's call promptly. Although he has a busy weekend planned at the D.C. March.
This message board has become a large group Dr. Malone cultists. Sad. I like Dr. Malone and he appears extremely well versed in the covid situation as a whole. But why do these people feel like they need to defend him constantly or carry his water. It’s no different than the cult of Fauci. Dr. Malone is not above being questioned. Alex berenson isn’t either. Neither one of them owes anyone on this thread anything. If 1 statement from somebody on 1 issue means that you abandon them in an instant or dismiss them entirely, you are part of the problem.
Seriously. I like Dr. Malone. He doesn't need random people to defend him here. If you folks want to unsubscribe from Berenson over it, go ahead. Stop cluttering up the comments, which is usually an interesting wealth of information, with complaints about a Malone - Berenson feud. It's disappointing and obnoxious.
I'm beginning to wonder if some of them are "inside the wire". They don't support Berenson or Malone and are here to stir up trouble for Team Apocalypse. Ignore them.
Mmm...you might be onto something.
Berenson and Malone are big boys. They don't need anyone defending them. They don't have to like each other. They don't have to agree on anything. They don't have to make nice.
It seems almost obsessive at times doesn't it!
Mass Psychosis Formation Works Both Ways.
The ratio of CD4 vs CD8 T cells is a telling sign. This is what happens in HIV/AIDS patients. Not surprised since the human infective component of the SARS COV-2 virus,the spike protein is from an HIV pseudovirus. As long as these imbalances occur, expect the immune response to mirror HIV.
Hey Alex, if you need a virologist, call Bruce Patterson to help address your concerns. Or go watch his Ted Talk presentation.
I second that recommendation. I have seen a handful of people talk about "the other T cell" problem as a kind of "reverse AIDS." But that is an interesting thread to follow up.
Hmm... maybe that is not a good idea - Patterson has done a LOT of work on Long Haul Covid, and Alex doesn't believe that exists.
Maybe it is time Patterson and Berenson had a conversation after all the peer reviewed publications following Patterson team's analysis of scores of biomarkers and finding a core of predictive biomarkers that also are responsive to treatment.
That would be super.
I would hope we would all be ok with folks disagreeing. After a wonderful debate we can read/listen and hopefully make more informed decisions. Certainly, seems to be missing these days.
Where did you read or learn that the spike protein on the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus "is from an HIV pseudovirus?"
HIV has a furin cleavage site and so does SARS-CoV-2 https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210217/The-origin-of-SARS-CoV-2-furin-cleavage-site-remains-a-mystery.aspx
Okay. I get it. Strong evidence for the lab-leak theory as opposed to the natural evolution theory.
I know Fauci won't come right out and admit it, but everyone else is.
I don't know what Aja is referring to in terms of a "pseudovirus". But I had saved this article about similarities between the novel coronavirus and HIV:
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.30.927871v1
NOTE: The January, 2020, article was withdrawn and has not been resubmitted.
Too bad the article has been withdrawn. I suspect that's because it supports the lab-leak theory rather than natural origin of SARS-CoV-2. (I got that impression from the brief abstract.)
I agree ~ seemed pretty suspicious!
Bruce Patterson is great!
For encouragement to all of you. Here is one person’s story so far. Me. In early 2020, I started following this virus from the beginning. I was never “careful” and was infected in June 2020. I got a fever and got sick, went and got tested and was confirmed with Covid-19. Was sick about 3 days and the fatigue lasted a bit longer. I understand “immunity from infection” and was very relieved to have gotten it out of the way. Based on my understanding of science and immunity, I lived my normal life and have ever since. A year later in June of 2021 I had an annual physical which included blood work. I requested they do a test for Covid antibodies at that time. The results showed that I had antibodies a year later. That was June of 2021. Last week, January of 2022, my wife got sick and I took her to get tested. She tested positive for Covid-19. She had not been infected before. We assume this is the Omicron variant. Being hard headed and trusting science as my understanding of immunity, I purposely did not isolate from her. We slept together, and I cared for her and lived in the same house with no separation. Call me crazy, but I did my own experiment to see if I would get it or if my immunity was real and strong. It’s been six days now and I have no symptoms. For grins I went and got tested. Negative. In my unprofessional experiment, I see this as a “natural booster”. My natural immunity took care of business. I am unvaccinated. Nobody has been able or willing to explain to me why I need a vaccine for a disease I have already had and recovered from. Now I’ve been totally exposed to it again and suffered no infection. I realize this could possibly change in the coming days, and if it does I will report back. But my experience has seen that three or four days is when you see symptoms if you are going to see them. Natural immunity is real, it’s effective, and it’s lasting. I hope this is
an encouragement to all of you
Let us know how it goes. You may be onto something with the “natural booster” theory. Surely you have gotten a significant viral load.
Similar for me. My mom and I were never masked or isolated. We got Covid in January 2021, had moderate symptoms (loss of taste and smell, very tired) and took all the dope (HCQ, IVM, zinc, Vit D, Vit C.) My daughter came down with it on Monday. Mom and I worked the church nursery with her for two hours on Sunday, right before her symptoms arrived.
Since then, I've been taking food and supplies into her home, kissing her kids, visiting with her hubby, etc. No sign of any reinfection, but I wasn't worried.
I will say this though. My son had it at the same time I did. He also had the loss of taste and smell and exhaustion. He swears he got it again about eight months later. He said he had similar symptoms and tested positive. So maybe he's an outlier, and maybe if you have a mild case, you might catch another mild case. Or it might have been the flu, which also shows up positive on the tests.
And I should add, my mom is 89 and I'm celebrating my 29th birthday (again.) She is quite high risk and I'm not exactly a spring chicken, in spite of my young 29 years of age. We think the dope helped us.
Was he vaccinated?
No. Praise the Lord, no one in my immediate family is vaxxed. Not Mom, me, kids, or grandkids.
Fantastic.
it is
You go Mama!👍
"The Good Stuff is in the Appendix." So true! I just published an analysis of a CDC-sponsored study purporting to show that the Pfizer vax works well in teens. As usual, the good stuff was in the appendix, and it didn't tell the story the CDC was trying to tell. You can read it here:
New England Journal of Medicine Puts Lipstick on a [CDC] Pig, Again
https://darbyshaw.substack.com/p/new-england-journal-of-medicine-puts
I feel like these scientists are held hostage and speaking in coded language, "help me!".
They publish the raw scientific data, which flies over the heads of the censors, the dolts in the mainstream media, and the political class, but completely undermines The Narrative.
And, then, they write flowery conclusions that toe the party line.
Interesting take. I personally have been wondering why they bother to do the studies in the first place. If they're going to just make up the conclusions anyway, why not make up all the data as well?
Read RFK jr's book. Tony, the evil garden gnome controls a lot of money in NIAID grants. (billions) Want a fat grant? Tow the line with Toady.
That is no fun. It’s more of a challenge to take real data and put your own twist on it.
I personally have been wondering why they bother to do the studies in the first place.
MONEY
so interesting! and you spelled "toe" correctly for the idiom.
I hope thats what it is
Just subscribed. And underscores dire need for all readers of research to go way past the title and abstract and deep into the details of the article, references and so on.
So true. The first Lancet paper trying to say the virus was not man-made pulled that trick. The claims they made in the Abstract and Introduction were more definitive than what they said in the Discussion. They hope no one reads that far. Most in the media don’t.
The NYT plays the same game.
Scientists and research institutions must stop taking federal money. Now it’s becoming obvious that the NIH holds sway over more than just the subject of the work done, but also the conclusions that one must reach. And recently, of course, the government has decided, for institutions (entire universities, for example) that it funds ONLY PARTIALLY, that it can make demands about who can be hired and who must be fired. Today, because covid. Tomorrow, because equity! Next year, because domestic terrorism (dissidents)!
I too love the title THE GOOD STUFF IS IN THE APPENDIX! Sounds like a very good next book
So if this is true (and anecdotally I have seen it as vaccinated people are getting sick again around me) then it will be the vaccinated that keep this pandemic going. Oh the irony.
What are we worried about? COVID is over - Starbucks has dropped mandate.
Right! As Starbuck goes the world goes
Barista's of the world unite!
Yay....Covid Free Coffee !!
So I won't have to drink my coffee through my mask anymore?
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Malone's discussed this in recent podcasts, but I doubt he'd help you out now...
Wow, even the Malone worshippers admit he puts personal issues above scientific progress...
I haven't seen that played out.
Like a 7th grade queen with her nose out of joint.
Predictable as the sunrise. Trust me, we're fine w/o Malone's expertise.
does Alex care? I don't
Democratic activist Vicki Dwelley. No wonder you come off like such a cunt.
Have you ever thought of just tying a plastic bag over your head? You know, to protect you from covid?
You don't reflect well on your Lord "Socrates".
Three minutes into scrolling and I'd seen four comments from her. She should get curb stomped.
Pierre Kory on IVM
There are now rapidly increasing numbers of national and regional health ministries that employed either widespread distribution or “test and treat” programs with ivermectin that show that, had we done the same in the U.S, we could have single-handedly achieved near complete control of case counts, hospitalizations rates, and deaths. Early treatment program results from around the world show the following:
· Mexico City – The IMSSS Health Agency compared over 50,000 patients treated early with ivermectin to over 70,000 not treated and found up to a 75% reduction in need for hospitalization.
· La Misiones, Argentina – Health Ministry analyzed the data from 4,000 ivermectin treated patients and, compared to the rest of the population over the same time period, found a 75% reduction in need for hospital and an 88% reduction in death.
· Uttar Pradesh, India – Using a strategy of close surveillance combined with both ivermectin treatment of all positive cases and preventive treatment of all family contacts. On September 10, 2021, only 11 cases with no deaths were recorded in a population of 241 million..with 67 of their 75 districts having no active cases at the time.
· The Brazilian city of Itajai offerred ivermectin as prevention to the entire city’s population with 133,051 (60%) agreeing to take ivermectin every two weeks for 6 months. Compared to the 45,716 city inhabitants that declined to use ivermectin, ivermectin users were 47% less likely to contract illness, had a 70% lower mortality rate, and a 67% lower hospitalization rate. By the end of the 6 month program, the citywide COVID mortality fell from 6.8% to 1.8%.
· La Pampas, Argentina – Health Ministry compared over 2,000 patients they treated early with ivermectin to over 12,000 without treatment and found that in patients over 40, rates of ICU admission and death both fell by 40%.
· Peru – A nationwide mass-distribution program called “Mega-Operación Tayta” (MOT), initiated at various times across 25 states of Peru in May 2020, led to a 74% drop in regional excess deaths within a month, with each drop beginning 11 days after each MOT region’s varied start times
· The Health Ministry of Sultan Kudarat in the Phillipines launched an ivermectin drive and found that cases rapidly dropped by 86%. compared to nearby regions
· In Japan, the President of the Tokyo Medical Association recommended that all physicians start to use ivermectin as early treatment during their summer surge. They are now recording the lowest rate of COVID hospitalization in the pandemic.
· 23 countries (39 including NGO’s) have now given either partial or full approval for use in COVID, which encompasses 25% of the world’s population.
The information I have delivered here today is being suppressed across most of the world’s corporate media and (corporation controlled) medical journals. Further,United States Health Agency structures and policies created over the last 50 years have tightly intertwined the pharmaceutical industry with public health institutions and these actions have resulted in relentless and repeated policies by those agencies that lead to the repeated placing of pharmaceutical industry interests ahead of the welfare of U.S citizens. The pharmaceutical industry’s capture of our health agencies, combined with their increasing influence over most major media, social media, and medical journals has led to their ability to widely suppress and control all information supporting the efficacy of decades-old generic medicines over their novel, patented, obscenely profitable, and barely tested products . Their ability to control this information has allowed an unchecked rapaciousness in the conduct of their decades long-war on off-patent medicines. Their profit-making interests are now the single largest root cause of what are now crimes against humanity given the widespread morbidity, mortality, and loss of societal and economic liberties that have resulted from the lack of access to these medicines during the COVID pandemic.
You are assuming that the public health agencies actually desire health for the population.
What if they are in fact in the pay of and controlled by the global powers that want to depopulate the world and institute totalitarian rule everywhere? When you consider this possibility, everything about the covid pandemic makes perfect sense.
PhenOmenal share... ThAnk you so much for this!! : )
The public health response to this pandemic has been a brilliant, shining example of why we can never allow a single payer medical system in this country. It’s no longer a debate over degrees of efficiency and innovation. Now it’s about keeping our population from being systematically exterminated.
this is all ANECDOTAL evidence (wink - wink) [this is sarcasm]
I will get through this Alex. But I have an over arching question. Will we be able to reverse the damage being done to people that have taken these jabs?
For better or worse, the vaccines permanently alter the immune system.
Our immune system evolved over a million years, what could go wrong with reprogramming it with a barely tested brand new technology (asked almost no one)
This is what’s most frightening, long-term.
If the immune system is altered (and we don’t know how), what illness & disease will evolve (or make a return).
John I can't agree with you enough. It is an awful unknown and I continued to be shocked by those who have elected to get the jabs NOT KNOWING the potential effects down the road. Even from the very beginning of Trump's rollout I had these concerns and was ridiculed by many for even questioning the efficacy of these injections. It is stunning to see how many doctors and other medical professionals who have jumped on board including Dr. Robert Malone who admitted he did not know and trusted those who were producing it and peddling out and he became very sick and nearly died himself.
I'm afraid you are right - but I'm not sure that we can make that strong a statement - can we - at this stage in the game? We only have a year's data with the vaccine.
Don't everybody attack me - I'm just trying to be fair about the conclusions we are drawing here - we have very preliminary data for this, at this point.
At this stage, I am inclined to agree. If worse, then it becomes how can you mitigate the damage if at all.
In short. Work on your body going forward better than ever. Vit D, Zinc. But at least 10k IU's of D. 1k won't move the needle. Lower or lay off on carbs and sugars as much as you can. Get your BMI down. More cardio and just more enjoying life. State of mind and outlook is just as powerful as anything else. Build community and thrive the rest of your(our) days.
Yes I'm working on the BMI - trying to grow about 11 inches, that should get my BMI down into normal range ... hee hee hee...
Been on the D, C, Zinc & magnesium train for roughly 20 years now. BMI needs work though.
For worse.
Absolutely. You can stop taking a drug if you're allergic. You can take out a defective pacemaker but you can't get unvaccinated and OAS assures it's permanent.
What's OAS?
Original antigenic sin. As I understand it, your body primes for the first threat it encounters and for the vaccinated that means one spike protein. Once it mutates your protection is gone.
Natural immunity is much broader as it attacks various aspects of the virus so if one part mutates it still attacks the rest. Vaccinated people's immune systems don't "learn" this and keep attacking the mutated spike protein.
I think the situation is even worse than what you describe. For some people, their bodies continue to make the spike protein for a long time, maybe forever. The spike protein is toxic to the body. So they remain sick from the vax till the day they die.
I'm speaking as someone who for terrible (tragic, indefensible) reasons succumbed to the pressure to get vaxed, against my better judgment. I became extremely sick after the second dose of the Pfizer poison. I was very sick for months. I experienced numerous severe adverse reactions, in practically every system in my body (cardiac, respiratory / pulmonary, musculoskeletal, neurological, etc.) and I have lasting neurological damage due to strokes or microstrokes and / or massive, sustained inflammation for weeks on end.
The idea that my body is might still be producing this poison is what really scares me. Covid never scared me at all. I'm pretty sure I had it in early February 2020. It was a like a moderately bad flu, followed by weeks of post-viral fatigue. The fatigue didn't surprise me: I experience that every time I become sick with anything other than a mild cold.
Definitely worse as in Vaccine Acquired Immunity Deficiency Syndrome.....Look Out !
What is vaccine acquired immunity syndrome? Are you thinking of ADE - antibody-dependent enhancement syndrome?
https://ussanews.com/alert-triple-vaccinated-developing-acquired-immunodeficiency-syndrome-insanely-fast/
Do you mean it permanently alters the immune system in general or that it specifically alters immunity to this particular virus? Is there any evidence that it affects immunity to other coronaviruses or to other pathogens?
You mean like shingles?
Know someone who suffered a shingles flare up after 2nd jab... was so excited to get boosted once the shingles went away... lo and behold, what happened after the booster? Yup. At least she knows that she will no longer get jabbed... while living for the rest of her life with shingles.
how horrific. is she finally red pilled?
Would you expand on how they alter the immune system for better if the antibody protection they deliver wanes and seems to lose effectivity with each successive variant? I would like to think I am missing something but I fear I am not. Thanks.
Hive mind... (I like it.)
Like the Borg. But assimilating information.
In a group of healthy 20 somethings?
How common would you expect "immune incompetence" to be in a study of young healthy people? You don't sound intelligent you sound like you need a booster
Ya I'm not reading a book. Try making a friend, you seem like you need someone to listen 🤦♀️
The information she shared could end up being helpful to someone you know.
Too soon to tell, but healthy humans have extensive restorative capacities.
Please share with us the collective opinion of the experts who reach out to you and respond to this request. This is a very important finding.
Agree
Would be interested to see about J&J. I had J&J in august and just got omicron 2 weeks ago. I had a couple days of chills and body aches, no shortness of breath or cough, very little congestion. Friends of mine who are boosted are getting Covid right and left and seem to be having a much worse time than I had with Covid. I know it’s anecdotal but my unvaxxed and non boosted friends and family seem to be doing better with symptoms than those boosted. Would love to see actual data coming out. I do hope I was able to get long term immunity. But considering how minor my symptoms were, not sure I need to be worried
If your immune system "learns" the virus, it learns it. It should help through the next variable at the very least, probably more.
No one thought to investigate this before a billion people rolled up their sleeves & none of those billion thought to ask about it. SMH
I can't see that they investigated anything with this snake oil. The general public is the "investigation." The general public is the "clinical trials."
Don't get me started about the so-called vaccine for kids.
The worst were the software engineers I work with, all like gee whiz how nifty this technology is. Talk about a blind spot..
as a software tester by trade - I can say that many developers have a blind spot when it comes to bugs in their software... just sayin'
Precisely the reason why I would not take the vaccine! I've had this exact thought many times. I know my own inability to test for and capture bugs in my own code, so I have to assume that's true of other science fields.
I worked over 30 years in IT including 22 with a vendor whose name you would recognise. That said, I learned (the hard way) a long time ago to never ever ever trust the 1.0 version of a product. What's that version number on these newfangled "vaxes"? Not even 1.0. Not even close...
Yes - I had not made that connection (don't know why not)... it's almost universal that no company wants to install the 1.0 version of a mission critical piece of software. Or even the x.1 version. Let somebody else be on the bleeding edge - I'll get the software after the bugs are worked out.
Guess we should have realized that was true of Covid Vax 1.0
Another 30-plus years in IT here, and I agree with you completely. Hadn't thought of the situation in these terms, but you are exactly right.
Nobody ever got the first version of anything Apple put out. For good reason.
Even worse are methodological epidemiologists who saw NO PROBLEM with estimating infection rates based on mass, asymptomatic screening — and comparing these rates against influenza which has never undergone mass screening. SMDH.
Pretty sure he knows exactly where he's headed.
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