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Amen! My first time commenting ever (on anything) but I’ve followed you since my wife lost her job as a nurse and I had to walk away from my graduate program a year ago because we refused to take the vaccine a couple months after we just had and recovered from Covid. A similar story to that of thousands. Thank you for your strength and perseverance. When asked “what can we do about it all?” I tell people who don’t have a platform, aren’t in the public sphere full time because of work, family, etc. I say to subscribe, donate, and support people like yourself. Who are getting the message out there that echoes what we believe. Hopefully it seems the tide is starting to turn. What you’re doing has been a catalyst for that. So you have my gratitude.

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It's not only this SPECIFIC vaccine. It's the MEANS used to try to "persuade" us. Those attempted "persuasions" must be analyzed, broken down to get to the ROOT of the problem. Democrats and Republicans should cooperate in any neccessary laws (although they like passing laws just for their own reputational benefit. Rarely do they help, mostly they make things worse. CDC, NIAID (Fauci), FDA and others should be reorganized, recognized that they are CAPTURED agencies, and all of Fauci's "people" and he has a LOT, removed. They made things WORSE by an order of magnitude, maybe 2.

Everything should be analyzed down to it's ROOTS to completely remove the DANGER that this pandemic response posed.

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I'm very sorry to have to be the one to tell you this but looking to the politicians who caused this or went along with this to solve this couldn't be more lazy and asinine. The answer is us! Individually and collectively. Stop funding the corporations that are building our cage. Get involved in local politics. School boards for instance. There's a reason why "they" aka "our government", sicked the FBI, aka "modern day stazi" on citizen parents.

If your catching flack your over the target!

Immerse yourself with the facts. Know them inside and out then

confront your lefty and righty friends and acquaintances that have bought into this lie.

Get comfortable with being uncomfortable.

My mother raised me alone. She made it clear to me early on that she wasn't going to be around for ever to fight my battles for me so I'd better learn to fight for myself. The most important lesson I've ever learned aside from forgiveness.

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I have confronted some pro-maskers in a very polite way while trying to keep it light. I point out how absurd it is-- it doesn't work! Want to wear a hazmat suit next year?? Most still persist with the virtue signaling, others refuse to talk to me again (fine), but at least a few are willing to listen.

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I think it's a combination of factors. Tribal political bullshit and embarrassment. The political bullshit is obvious but I think it might be covering the embarrassment.

Example: you fall for the Haitian prince wanting to give you millions of dollars. All he needs is your bank info.... you're so embarrassed you don't tell anyone about it and the criminal gets away with it.

This medical malpractice is so obvious it's unimaginable that anyone would fall for it let alone tolerate it but yet they do.

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It killed my friend who was scared to go in to the hospital. He had very treatable cancer, most likely colon cancer, and he waited until it was very late, too late. He never told his friends either, and I'm still mad at him.

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As a recently retired nurse practitioner and nurse educator I never thought I would live to see the day when people would be afraid to go to the hospital. Or people's care would be based on their personal decisions. It has arrived and I understand completely. Find and support physicians and NP who are working outside the mainstream, it will cost you out of pocket dollars....and it is tough. So sorry I could not be there for your friend. We need all the nurses who have been fired to figure out how to provide custom care for those at home.

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Sry for your loss. Try not to be too hard on him.

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Forgiveness will be very hard. This was intentional at the highest levels.

https://markoshinskie8de.substack.com/p/ending-the-scamdemic-with-a-scam

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Hundreds of thousands dead because "they" suppressed known early treatment. Forgiveness will be a long time coming and not before accountability and justice.

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The Solution to this Government debacle is...... if a sizable majority voted Libertarian in the next US wide election, the two party duopoly would be instantly smashed. A total shock would be fall on the Dems & Pubs, and maybe they'll sit up and take notice! There is a 3rd choice...Libertarian. Want to really shake things up?? Vote for anything other than a D or an R, at least for the US House and Senate. We need to shake up the National Political Scene...We have the power of our Votes!! And, it has to be so overwhelming that any fraud is steam rolled over!!

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I like your enthusiasm. However, if they're willing to claim that a depends wearing, fermented/demented criminal who with shit in his pants couldn't draw 12 flies to a rally somehow recieved 81 million votes than I don't think they're worried about who votes for who. But I'm willing to try anything before it gets ugly.

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You can take over the party too, like Trump did. In the end, of course, the "republicans" helped stab Trump in the back over the 'election', but I think we haven't seen the last of Donald Trump.

I agree R is almost as bad as D, and some R are WORSE than D.

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Couldn't agree with you more. Politicians go along with the Overton window, they don't influence it. At some point the things that we do may be codified, but it us who voted these people in office, and it is not reassuring. Of course both sides will always hang on things to the proposed law, and the more likely the law is passed, the more inevitable that is. We have a REALLY bad 'crop' of politicians in there now. We do IMO need to look past the tribal warfare to agree on some things.

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Indeed. When was the last time you saw a head stone with a political affiliation carved into it?

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a very wise mother

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The answer is us, but early on the lack of information and later on the lack of true information inhibited us from responding. Fortunately that lack is being remedied and there are many angry and vocal people in action. Otherwise agree with your post!

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Thanks for the feed back. Expecting information from the from the perpetrators is insane.

Question everything! Trust no one!

My background informed my response.

Bright child.

Poor student (bored with curriculum)

save for the sciences.

Taught to think critically throughout education.

25 years in the mental health field. 17 as a Case Manager for DMH.

13 year military career (NBCW expert).

Deployed to the middle east 2010.

I don't think I'm the smartest person in the room but I have a very broad base of knowledge which serves me well.

First sign of a biological or chemical attack is: lots of dead animals. And since most bugs for warfare are aerosolized your going to see dead birds first. I didn't see any of that.

Second, your going to see lots of dead people. Everywhere! I didn't see any of that.

Lastly, if you do encounter ill people, you isolate them in the area you find them. Like we used to do in hospitals. You'd have a patient that's got something contagious, sometimes in a negatively pressurized and filtered room depending on the lethality of the pathogen. If not very lethal you would place precautions on the wall at the door letting people who need to enter know what level of "precaution" they needed to take before entering.

You don't isolate an entire population to their homes. And you certainly wouldn't tell them "lock down" but ]it's ok to go food shopping or go to the liquor store.

In fact the very idea that going out was so dangerous that I should have to wear a mask and maintain some arbitrary distance from others and walk down the isles at Walmart in the proper direction (arrows on the floor) was hilariously stupid. And get this, this was the best one "the curfew"..... we were told we had to be in the house by 10pm because the virus somehow knew how to tell time and would get us. Being told to do all these things was because they would somehow keep everybody safe was lunacy!

I didn't need any other information than what they were telling me to do. If folks had simply used common sense they would have seen this to.

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Amen

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Yes, Amen!

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AMEN! Exactly mine and my husband’s thoughts!

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Yes.

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Amen!!!

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Preach! Alex has helped me an my family so much.

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Alex, I pre-ordered Pandemia, have read it, and am now judging for myself. Bottom line, Nathan Robinson and his cronies can go fuck themselves. Excuse my language. Thank you.

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Well said!

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You’re excused !

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Robinson deserves no more politesse than that

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True: "Every control measure the public health authorities promised would control the spread of the coronavirus - from masks to lockdowns to school closures - failed."

But that wasn't the point.

The point was to control citizens. That was fantastically successful. We will see more of that in the future.

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I believe this whole scam opened a lot of people’s eyes to the corruption of our government, the FDA, the CDC, Fauci, Pig Pharma, Big Tech, main stream media, etc. They’ve destroyed what little credibility they had and it will be extremely difficult to earn any trust back. It’s alternative avenues like this Substack that people will turn to because we don’t believe the manufactured amplified narrative.

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Just want to not lose sight of Bill Gates in the discussion. He is buying farmland, outbidding the actual farm families who want to support themselves. Gates’ land grab is happening in the midwest, not just TX.

Is he buying as a hedge against the coming recession? I doubt it. He has a larger agenda and it is not “free food for the masses”.

At any rate, God is in control. Gates and his ilk are going to be surprised.

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The Chinese are buying up a great deal of our farm land as well.

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Quite true

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That can be remedied through eminent domain, I believe.

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Those laws vary by state. Eminent domain unrestrained can cut against property rights. Not sure that should be looked upon as a solution.

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Yeah - keeping my eye on him. I don’t know who’s worse - him or George Soros!

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Can you list the actual areas, please?

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Info from friends and family in IA and IL.

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Thank you for that info. This is incredibly interesting (very disturbing) and I wonder what he has in store to ruin the middle part of this country.

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And many more eyes are *just* on the verge of being opened.

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I'd like to believe this but just got back from a crowded Trader Joe's. I was the only one of 150 people without a mask. Still plenty of chumps/suckers!

https://markoshinskie8de.substack.com/p/ending-the-scamdemic-with-a-scam

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Likewise. I'm always the only one without a mask. Now when people harass me for refusing to wear a mask outside of Halloween and Mardi Gras, I simply respond with a baaaahhhhhh!

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Maybe. Or maybe enough people have had their eyes opened.

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I'm disappointed, but hardly surprised, at how successful it was.

I do understand how many, including me, went along in the early stages. But about 3-4 months in, the stories they were telling just didn't fit together. I don't consider myself particularly smart. But a combination of upbringing, good schools (that my parents sacrificed to send us to), and work experiences taught me to be skeptical of and question EVERYTHING. I don't believe shit stinks 'til I've smelled it.

It's shocking how many still believe - or say they do - it's the unvaccinated who are perpetuating the pandemic.

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My husband hosts a podcast that deconstructs the media (The No Agenda Show). He and his co-host dissected this mess from the beginning and exposed all the holes and questionable narrative. So from the start, I was skeptical. Everything they exposed is now coming to light. As far as people who are still believing this narrative, I truly believe they’re in a hypnotic state (mass formation). They believe it without even questioning bc they think the government is here to protect them.

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Here is the undeniable truth. The decision was made years ago by the billionaires and their yes men to use a vaccine in the event of a perceived viral threat. In order to get Emergency use for vaccines there could NO other protocols that showed effectiveness. So the billionaires set out using media, governments to kill any use of drugs that were competition. They even railed against vitamin supplements. The decision was made vaccines or nothing. People were told to stay at home if they were sick unless they were so sick to need hospitalization. Sadly by then too late. Media successfully conned people into thinking if you virus you will die. At least a 1/4 of our population absolutely believes this. They are lost to us forever.

Big pharma knew a leaky vaccine could never stop a mutable virus. They knew vaccinating during pandemic would result in virus mutating to evade any vaccine. Pharma knew people would accept any vaccine believing they are all the same. They were advertised as sterilizing vaccines that would end pandemic. We were fed lies that the experts knew to be false.

When big pharma was allowed to advertise on tv that was the beginning of their control of all things. The money was just too good. Regulatory agencies got controlled by pharma. Our government, big tech, pharma are one in the same. It is all incestuous. There can be no independent thinking. Most of our government agencies are headed by some individuals. The goal I believe is to make us into a competing China. One voice. Zero fun. Police state. No independent thinking. See how many young people believe unvaccinated need to be put in concentration camps, and removing their children. Young people had decades of CCP propaganda. We did not change China. China changed us. Wake up.

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Bullshit. This is an attack on the working class that has been going on since the late 70s. Now that they are coming after the credentialed cubicle plankton, it's a problem. You terrified urban domesticates are as hilarious as the Pfizer vet running your "democracy."

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If they had allowed therapeutics, i.e., Ivermectin, they wouldn't have been given the Emergency Use Authorization for the innoculation. Control--all about control. They lied and murdered people.

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Character assassination is where they go when they can’t win the argument on the merits. Keep on keeping on, Alex!

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I was a liberal Democrat now turned Independent. I will probably vote Republican like I did in the last election because I thought Trump was the lesser evil (Can you even imagine that Trump would have been the lesser evil???? Insane!!).

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Jan 22, 2022·edited Jan 22, 2022

I couldn't go that far...I voted libertarian. Even knowing i was throwing the vote away. But straight repub for everything else, even though I cried doing it bc I HATED the candidates (who won). But I became a single issue voter after the last presidential election. I now understand that the progressive democrats I voted for my entire life don't give a shit about my right to bodily autonomy.

(Editing my comment to add: or, even more importantly to me, my young kids' bodily autonomy. It is not an easy world for them right now, since almost every single kid they interact with has parents who wholeheartedly buy into this; almost all of their peers have gotten both jabs (and boosters for the older ones), and my own kids have dealt with being excluded from events and places because of scared people or venues that demand proof of the shot for ages 5 and up. Once the EUA was approved for 5 and up, my 8yo was forbidden to visit a friend - although they'd played together all summer, maskless, even indoors. The friends' parents got it for their 5- and 8-yo as soon as they could, and told us that our kid was no longer welcome over there. My kid was trying to be sympathetic to their fear, but I was unforgiving, pointing out the insanity of them being ok with my kid coming over when everyone was vax-free, yet now that their kids were (in theory) 'protected' from the illness, suddenly my kid was MORE dangerous to them than when their kid had no shot/no protection.

ANYWAY, my votes are henceforth going to politicians who will protect the rights of my kids to go to school and participate in society - that goes for me, too, of course, but as their protector I want to fight for a country that includes them in a positive way.)

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The GOP is the stupid party. The Democrats are the evil party. I urge people to get involved at the grass roots to elect sheriffs, district attorneys and school boards that will serve and protect your community.

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Jan 22, 2022·edited Jan 22, 2022

Nice take! Have to vet the crap out of the GOP RINO'S and remove them and replace as you mention with those who actually are "we the people" servants and not beholden to the land known as the SWAMP!

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And that’s the worst realization. I’m there too. Strictly independent and issue specific. But definitely NOT Dem.

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The worst part for me is that in almost every other way I'm aligned with them. But this issue is make or break for me right now. Even when it means I'm actively voting against other things I care about.

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Just think if a sizable majority voted Libertarian in the next US wide election, the two party duopoly would be instantly smashed. A total shock would be fall on the Dems & Pubs, and maybe they'll sit up and take notice! There is a 3rd choice...Libertarian. Want to really shake things up?? Vote for anything other than a D or an R, at least for the US House and Senate. We need to shake up the National Political Scene...We have the power of our Votes!! And, it has to be so overwhelming that any fraud is steam rolled over!!

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The Democratic Party left you. Like they left me. And Reagan FWIW.

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Nice! In primaries, please don't vote for Undocumented Democrats aka RINOs. e.g. Mitt "Pierre Delecto" Romney, Marco Rubio, Lindsey Graham, Mike Pence, John Cornyn, Brian Kemp, and countless others who claim to be "conservatives". When they win, we lose.

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I am in Georgia and NOT voting for Kemp.....😡

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Kemp is a corrupt scumbag, largely responsible for the federal coup d'etat & loss of both of Georgia's US senate seats to race-fluffing communists. Not that the cucked "Republicans" running for the seats were much better.

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I am with you, would not vote for Raffensberger, either (I live across the river in SC). Perdue and Loeffler were the worst possible Senators, too. You going to vote for Herschel?

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Ratburger is equally guilty. I donated to Herschel, but I don't live there.

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so you will vote for Stacey Abrams ...??????

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HELL NO!!!

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Kemp has primary opponents. Obviously, if he wins the nomination, you have to vote for Kemp. Most leftists I know don't even like Abrams, she is Hollywood's candidate. She is like the Democrat Georgia version of Chris Christie, more people outside their states like them than those who live in their states.

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The subject is PRIMARIES. Aren't you aware that scumbag Kemp has a real Republican running against him?

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Trump & his cronies was not and is not the lesser evil. Who do you think gave the green light for the lock down & the vaccines? People forget that his major campaign promise was to have a vaccine before election day. He KNEW the entire thing was a fraud:

https://twitter.com/Angelasfreenews/status/1483113327937171462 &

https://twitter.com/KandiFlipr/status/1483121643882962948.

Look at the original publication date on the NEJM. They knew it was just a flu but than again dozens of people in trumps circle & some of his cronies not in government made billions.

Yet, because he wanted to get elected so badly he offered not only the American people to the altar of pharma & Fauci (whom he could have fired) but the world. He was angry the shot was released after the election and still whines about how he was responsible for it's development and has been an advocate for it. To this day, because of the contract his administration made with Pfizer & Moderna, NO ONE CAN GET ACCESS TO THOSE CONTRACTS to see what he gave away that is so airtight that scientist & lawyers cannot get copies of despite dozens of lawsuits filed. Those few that managed to get something from the government is so heavily redacted those pages can block out the sun. Trump is up to his eyeballs in this shit & knew what was going on.

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I voted for Trump but I have real problems with his continued support of the jabs. And Trump could have fired Fauci but wimped our.

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And the alternative (if we don't chose Trump) to help steer is out of this is? I don't think Desantis will be running this time unfortunately.

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I really DO NOT want to lose DeSantis here in Florida, but he would make an Awesome President.

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I hear you, but Florida won't stay free long if we don't restore the USA. DeSantis can choose a good successor.

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You’re right!

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Trump or DeSantis are the only ones. I will support either one if nominated. I prefer DeSantis.

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Trump has to reject his Covid Vaccine Fetish to have any chance.

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Yea, but I bet you the money is too good for him to do that.

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I agree. We have to chose the better solution - perfection is not achievable.

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You guys are dreaming.

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I'm focused more on local stuff now. School boards, sheriff, DA. These things impact me a lot more. On the national level it is kind of like deciding between the Kang and Kodos aliens on the Simpsons.

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You forgot to mention the better and viable alternative candidate you have in mind. . .

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You don't like DeSantis either? Who do you want?

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DeSantis would be vastly better than Trump. I'm sure he'd run if Trump got over his narcissism, did the right thing & backed him. DeSantis already has Florida in hand. 3 years to make it even better before handing the baton to a competent true conservative protégé. There are a couple others I could support too, like Mark Robinson, but DeSantis is ideal.

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And keep an eye on Allen West in Texas. If he can unhorse Abbott he will have a national profile - probably not in time for 2024 though.

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I'm not sold on West as an effective politician, though I donated to his gov race (I like all 3 challengers). He lost his Florida seat to a 26-year-old stockbroker or something. He's also well aware of the corrupt junta destroying the NRA, yet remains mum, does nothing, blows off board meetings & still keeps his "NRA director" title. He should either resign loudly or honor his duty as a director. But I agree, if he wins the primary/runoff & proves to be a balls-on Gov like DeSantis, he'd be a real comer.

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Yep. Having erred by letting Pence put Pfauxi on the Task Force, Trump wouldn't have had to fire him to mitigate, just offset him. There were dozens of world-renowned MDs & PhDs he could've put on the Task Force to counter Fauxi-Birx when the world was watching for weeks on end. But he wanted the camera time for himself so he babbled about HCQ etc, which immediately got it demonized. Disaster. Another thing he'll never learn is say any version of "I don't know but I'll find out." So he babbled about covid being a nothingburger, then claimed he lied "to keep people from panicking", like a lying elitist, when he's the one who panicked.

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Are you serious? Who do you think has been promoting the shot and has been bragging about ow he got the booster? tRump has financial skin in the game. Has he ever said-don't get the shot?

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Your use of "tRump" is a big tell. I don't think you're on our side.

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he may not be on orange man's side .... he very possibly is a conservative

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You forgot to mention the better and viable alternative candidate you have in mind. . .

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Obviously DeSantis --- polished, intelligent, principled with actual core beliefs (and not the HUGE ego)

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Bet it took you hours to come up with that comment and it's still lame.

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Do any of you know who was responsible for the lock downs, Brix, and she was under Fauci, less power yet tRump went along with it. Truth what people cannot accept is tRump could have put a stop to all of it just like Boris has in England:

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1483785379140579329.

2 years too late but a few statements has completely flipped England on it's head.

I'm sure he (trump) had the info that was caught on a hot mic if his staff, with reporters in the room, were talking about it openly.

This was not a health crisis, this was an opportunity!

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/u-s-billionaires-fortunes-pandemic/?itm_term=home

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Scott Atlas states in his book that Birx went to the governors and "convinced" them to shut the schools and "non-essential" businesses". I'm looking forward to finding out how she "convinced" them and who was convincing Birx and Fauci.

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I'm looking forward to finding out how she "convinced" them and who was convincing Birx and Fauci.

Aren't we all.

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Unfortunately I am beginning to think you are correct. Trump’s mantra was drain the swamp. Then he picked a really weak bunch of cabinet members that weren’t able to drain anything. He refuses to hire people that could possibly outshine him. This is a real weakness. True leaders know to surround themselves with the most talented possible. Trump has always wanted to be a billionaire. He has never managed to make more than the stake he inherited which was around 450 million dollars. He is desperate for money, always has been.

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In my opinion, seems Trump had little choice in the matter. (Establishment Republicans would have taken him out of the primaries if they thought he’d win.) His choice was either to go it alone as an Independent (ensuring defeat), or take his chances with the lesser of two evils. His biggest mistake was underestimating the extent of the rot, and assuming the establishment would support him upon success.

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Yes. I know. We watch Candace and this was a good interview. It’s a huuuuge problem that will hurt Trump Bigly.

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But he was.

Though he messed up badly by giving Fauci an audience, authorizing the CARES Act and hawking the vaxxes.

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It would be nice to have an election in which Good vs Evil was a clear distinction, not Less Evil vs Evil. The lines are so blurred today, but I suspect that is on purpose!

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There is a word for that. Uniparty.

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Sometimes a little abrasion is called for.

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People who voted personality over policy are regretting it now.

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If Fire - Break Glass. Most people actually live by the policies he advocated.

Including The Orange Man Bad Weenies and Karens who only object to his style.

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He failed to use the abrasion correctly and ended up skinning his knee.

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Agree! But I’d take a few mean tweets right about now!

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Alex, you said you were going to explain your position against Ivermectin soon. Did I miss that post? I'm eager to read it.

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Alex will come around on ivermectin. https://ivmstatus.com/ It is too obviously working.

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What's really scary for big pharma is that there's evidence Ivermectin works against many viruses, which means people may start skipping those flu shots, or <gasp> forgo those childhood vaxxes, if ivm turns out to be effective against those illnesses, too.

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That would be fantastic!

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Indeed, it was definitively proven a year ago. 80% of COVID deaths since then should be rightly laid at the feet of our slavish media who grovel at the feet of their dear leaders/owners. Which makes Alex' slavish devotion even more abhorrent. He has no master now; he could choose to be open to the data presented on Ivermectin.

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Twitter is nothing but a cesspool of negativity. I live very well without it.

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I never got on Twitter and I never started smoking cigarettes either....😂

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Given that the mob is growing and attacks to follow, at least 10-20% of them are going to have to buy the book to criticize so if the mob is let's say 1.5 million then you are looking at potential sales uptick of 150,000 to 300,000 copies. I'll take that as a win. Any criticism personal or not, should be answered with "have you read the book"? Or "how can you critique if you haven't read the book"? From sales standpoint the more they talk about it, the more you make. The more you make, the louder you can become. The louder you become the more the truth gets out there. The end of this complete farce is well within sight and is coming a hell of a lot faster than they imagine.

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Nathan Robinson is a douchebag. Don’t worry about him. The thought never occurs to people like him that nobody owes anyone else shit on this rock. You don’t owe anyone else a forced inoculation. Not your acquaintances, not your friends, not your family. The whole “I’m doing this to protect you” line is clearly bunk because the jabbed keep catching cases. Perspective is everything. For everyone irritated with me for not getting jabbed I could turn it around and say I’m irritated with them for not caring about freedom. Be you and don’t apologize to trolls who have proven they aren’t intellectually capable of arguing the merits of the policies they support.

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"Every control measure the public health authorities promised would control the spread of the coronavirus - from masks to lockdowns to school closures - failed."

And not *only* failed, but were *destined* to fail AND no one has ANY credible reason NOT to have known they were destined to fail.

1. Curtail air travel - once the virus was in the wild, curtailing air travel is equivalent to closing the barn door after the horses got out. No science behind curtailing air travel.

2. Closing borders - ditto. No science behind closing borders.

3. Masking - it has been known for many years - perhaps ever since the Spanish Flu - that cloth masks do literally nothing to reduce the spread of an airborne aerosolized respiratory pathogen. No science behind masking.

4. Stay-at-home orders - never been proven or shown to have an effect on the spread of a virus. No science behind SAH orders.

5. Lockdown communities and shut down businesses - absent literal absolute enforcement of these measures, they do nothing to stop the spread of a virus. No science behind lockdown/shutdown orders.

6. 6-feet social distancing (CDC) - literally no science behind 6' social distancing

7. 3-feet social distancing (WHO) - ditto.

8. 20-seconds of hand-washing - no science behind *twenty* seconds of handwashing, vs. 15 or 25, etc.

9. Putting infected folks in nursing homes - are you f*cking kidding me??

10. Masking on airplanes - air on planes is fully exchanged every 2-3 minutes. No science behind requiring masks on planes.

11. The vaxxes are dead-ends for the virus. No science behind that.

12. The vaxxes are safe. No science behind that.

13. The vaxxes are vaccines. No science behind that.

14. Natural immunity is not a factor in achieving "herd immunity". No science behind that.

Is there anything, anything at all, that governments DID that was actually based on known and proven science AND that had any effect on slowing, reducing, or limiting the spread of the Chinese virus?

(I'm sure the list goes on, but I have to get back to work.)

No science behind ANYTHING and EVERYTHING governments around the world have shoved up our asses.

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@Andrew - You forgot to mention plexiglass barriers. They are still up at a nearby restaurant. Literally the #1 dumbest response to Covid. Nothing else is even close, IMO.

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Thank you! I want the list to be as comprehensive as possible, so I shall add that to my offline list.

Just thought of another - rubber gloves. And another - sanitizing groceries. And another - sanitizing packages.

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A “vax” that takes 2 weeks after 2nd dose to become “vaccinated”

Contact tracing an airborne virus (good luck)

The focus on “cases” vs death rate in implementing policy

Counting hospitalizations/deaths WITH Covid vs FROM Covid

Treating everyone as if they have the same risk profile

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And don't forget sanitizing the keypad, screen, bagging area at the grocery checkout --AFTER EACH CUSTOMER! (and, a less important example that I experienced: at the indoor pool, after each group of swimmers finished their allotted time, the pool would close and everything on the pool deck would be sanitized, then the shower area as well. Think about that: in an area where chlorine is ubiquitous, they felt the need to sanitize.

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And yeah, sanitizing (sic) all that sh*t...and then having everyone handle the same pen to sign whatever needed to be signed.

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Oh, here in Puerto Rico they were spraying and wiping down the friggin' CONVEYOR BELT at grocery stores!!

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They do that continually in the San Francisco Bay Area, too, after each and every customer. The employees working the check-out stations sanitize their hands after each customer, too. These people have become so thoroughly neurotic they might as well be in a mental hospital. It's all so ludicrous, pathetic, insane, ridiculous, disgusting, infuriating.

You can add even more to your excellent list: terrified people wearing goggles in addition to double or triple masks, and once in a blue moon you even see someone wearing a military-style gas mask, the kind that makes you look like an alien in a horror movie. Then again, I think everyone wearing even a simple cloth face mask looks like an alien in a horror movie, myself included. It's sickening.

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Just follow the science...that is political science that is not science at all.

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But, at least Brandon and Team are "following the science"!

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Mere coincidence, I'm sure: the fact they first follow their wallets to constantly redefine "science," "vaccine," "vaccinated," etc., in order to fit the narrative of justifying the orders they're trying to issue.

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Twitters censorship and propaganda is a bigger problem than the virus ever was

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I just finished Pandemia on Audibles. It is spot on! The utter failure, cowardice, and impotence of the American bureaucracy has come very close to the Soviet style propaganda I grew up with. I just never imagined it could happen here in America.

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It happened all over the western world. Fear is a powerful emotion.

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Unfortunately. Never underestimate the power of propaganda.

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It’s been just the weirdest feeling - to have been a progressive all my life, to have worked for social justice as a career all my life - to see the cognitive dissonance, the mass formation psychosis completely robotize almost the entire cohort of people I used to call allies — it has caused a sense of disassociation. I’m floating by myself, protecting myself and my family as best as I can. Wow. To be alone, in a civic sense, at this stage of my life is unreal. I have never voted for a Republican but I will never EVER vote for another democrat unless they loudly and publicly disavow mandates in all forms and pledge to vote against them and ADVOCATE against them. That’s it. That’s all I got. I’m spent y’all. Truly spent.

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Progressive ideology is the soil in which every aspect of covid totalitarianism has flourished.

The moral certitude needed to control every single breath of a human life to ensure that life aligns with collectivist values and an all-encompassing map of "justice" based on postmodern philosophies of the complete annihilation of western civilization sit at the heart of every masked child, vaccine mandate, internment camp, and silencing of doctors and free voices everywhere.

We are living what progressivism has wrought. As part of your great awakening, please face that fact.

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I hear you brother. But I almost didn’t because you can’t draw caricatures and think they help to make your point. Most progressives would only tend towards communist totalitarianism with the same frequency as conservatives would towards fascist totalitarianism. Answer: not too often. We are all closer than you think to each other. Except I am upfront with where my tribe has lost me. And you ?

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I'm honestly not attempting to caricature. I'm taking the stated goals and precepts of progressivism at face value. I read the books they read, watch the people they watch, try to understand the academic papers they base their careers on.

I promise you, I can match wits and bullshit citations of every last bit of progressive thought with any true believer you care to dredge up to face me.

It is transparently postmodern nihilism using the justification of toxic thought models like intersectionality and the universal victim-oppressor logic of critical theory.

I don't need to call myself a progressive or bow to their dogma to know how to treat other humans well; they didn't invent justice or decency, and they don't get to be the arbiters of it. But they want to be, they think they have the right to be, and they use the state to do it.

That's what makes them the totalitarians here, not me. I'm not caricaturing. I'm taking them at their word.

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Good points. I’m glad for the exchange. Intersectionalism is indeed code for using subjective connections to justify a presupposed conclusion - which itself is inherently damning, judgemental and othering. . So we agree. On the other hand I don’t like the use of an umbrella dirty word like critical race theory. We have to tell the truth about America to retain our aspirations. The truth isn’t hard to find. And we shouldn’t have to fight about it. The founders were slave owners, genocide was executed against indigenous people. We shouldn’t be arguing about that. We should admit it to each other, agree that it would be healthy to teach and move on to reimagining the promise of America together.

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Didn't take long for the shoulds to come out. I'm not "reimagining" America for you or anyone else.

Fuck your 1619 Project brainwashing. You want to talk caricature? Every culture on this continent- on this planet- practiced slavery and genocide. I'm done pretending there's anything uniquely wrong or sinful about my culture or race until every nation, every race, every society, every culture in this world is burned to the ground for the exact same sins.

Fuck critical race theory and fuck your divisive narrative. I'll argue absolutely anything I please and "admit" nothing you get to define for me.

Done with this and done with you.

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Hang on now. We were getting somewhere. I didn’t say we had to feel guilty and prostrate. I just said speaking the truth is our way to freedom.

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Oh, and in direct response to your "most progressives would only..." assertion...

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/partner_surveys/jan_2022/covid_19_democratic_voters_support_harsh_measures_against_unvaccinated

Yeah, yeah, I know. I can't prove self-identified Democrats are progressives. I just have to prove most of them are, and I can. And most of them (n>50%) want to do pretty terrible things to me, apparently.

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I feel this in my bones. I've always supported progressives and in fact learned my lesson a few years ago when I gleefully helped vote out a stodgy curmudgeon of a Republican state senator whom I could not STAND, but whom was staunchly pro-medical freedom. I thought, haha! Good riddance, in with the new, to transform our neighborhood for the better! And then, his progressive young replacement promptly crapped all over our rights to bodily autonomy. In that election, many others I knew were starting to become single-issue voters and I thought, I can't do that! I can't vote for someone just to protect myself! These candidates will be helping society in so many ways and that benefits me too! But boy, did I regret my vote when my kids were then kicked out of school because of our stance on medical freedom, and suddenly single-issue voting made more sense to me.

It's been staggering emotionally to see people involved in social justice work gleefully, unironically advocate for the segregation of those who don't submit to shots. Like you said, it's hard to try to process that level of cognitive dissonance.

The worst part of this for me is feeling completely marginalized by all the folks with whom I thought I was aligned. To see and hear my friends & family casting aspersions at those who think differently, insulting the intelligence of anyone who questions the narrative - not knowing they are talking about me - it would be ugly behavior even if I agreed, but even uglier for me since I'm the target.

I actually did vote for some Rs in the past 2 elections (libertarian for president), and cried while doing it. (Well, I cried in the presidential election, while bubbling in my vote for a Republican house rep that I HATED, because it was a tight vote and I wanted to help make the house more R because I knew this was coming. I felt gross and guilty doing it but didn't feel I had a choice otherwise. I was scared for my family.) The second election, last fall's local elections which were mostly for judges and school boards, I didn't cry. I went in there thinking, "eff off, mandate whores," and voted almost entirely R (a few Ds where I thought they couldn't do harm and offended me less.) And as I could see from the vote tallies in my blue district, I was one of only a handful of R voters...one of the same 'fringe' voters in a liberal neighborhood of whom, only 6 years ago, I'd be looking at the vote counts and thinking, "Who are you? Which of you are the hidden Republicans in our neighborhood?" Now I'm one of them).

But as I posted upthread, this turned me into a single issue voter. Even as by casting my vote I'm voting against many things I hold dear. But nothing right now is more sacred to me than protecting my family's right to bodily integrity. Nothing.

But yes...it is very very lonesome here on the fringes. Having to dissociate like that. I've lost my connection with a lot of people I used to really love and respect.

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Yes. Agree. Well now I feel less alone. I’m a new single issue voter and I checking the R box.

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There was no cognitive dissonance. Belief that you are the one true holder of what is moral and just allows you to perpetrate any tyranny.

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You make a fine point.

I guess I should have said, it feels like cognitive dissonance to me. I don't understand why it doesn't to them. It's been eye-opening for me to realize that I am very much not part of the group of the people I aligned myself with. And it's been disturbing to come to that conclusion. I've been slowly seeing many areas in which I never quite agreed.

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I think we all need to be reassured by some broader social body that we are good and have value and purpose.

We need to be aware of the strings attached to that validation, and whose purposes dancing on those strings serves.

Progressivism is a confessional perpetually in search of a sin: yours or someone else's.

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"Progressivism is a confessional perpetually in search of a sin: yours or someone else's."

My knee-jerk response is, well, that can't be true. And even if it is, is that bad?

Hm. I am conditioned.

I need to sit with this for a while and see what bubbles out of that.

Thanks for the food for thought.

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Always! Good luck in your seeking.

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I walked away from the left too. The biggest red pill I learned is that being good, moral, or honorable is not the decision of a tribal council, and anyone who needs to control your thoughts, actions, or life to make you a more moral person is no one you want to follow.

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Even last year I might still have thought "We don't want to control anyone!!"

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Well, YOU don't sound like you personally want to control anyone.

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They’ll never admit they were wrong, so, how do they land this plane?

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With coordinated narrative & media cover

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First, they’ll distract us with a war.

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I hope you’re wrong, but, sadly, I think you’re right

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The irony! So many of the dems were worried that Trump would distract by starting a war, but of course like the perfect twist in all horror films it'll be Uncle Joe.

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And Ukraine! More irony!

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The old saying “If you aren’t a Democrat when you’re young, you have no heart and if you’re not a Republican when you’re old, you have no brain” comes to mind. As a life-long (heartless, I guess) Republican, getting pretty tired of waiting for the younger folks to grow a brain.

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