The paper says what media outlets want to hear about Covid, the vaccines, and the GOP. So they're ignoring a huge hole in it that essentially destroys its findings.
Just to be clear on one point: The researchers refer throughout the paper to overall "excess deaths," rather than specifically to deaths from Covid, because they did not have access to death certificates.
But everyone (with the exception of a few conspiracy theorists) agrees that Covid deaths were the primary driver of overall excess deaths in the US in 2020 and 2021.
So the paper is really saying (and has been read to say) that differences in vaccination levels by party drove different rates of COVID deaths, and that difference in turn is visible in the overall death rates. I didn't want to get into this subtle difference in the story, but if you've gotten this far, you might be interested.
All years in ICU critical care I have never heard a doctor nurse anyone who is taking care of patients. Ask or talk political things. I don't believe you can or should be in Medicine if you do so. I believe these people are saying this for attention or to create more division. This is like telling everyone to stand in a certain circles on the floor at grocery store. Utter nonsense again.
These people are being "told" to say these things by those who control the narrative of Tyranny. Power and control is all the puppeteers behind the curtain know.
Same Neocons who are going after Trump, same trick but a different day. Our government leaders want everyone to believe what said for day. Absolutely no death certificate say what Political party you belong to legacy media is taking America 🇺🇸 American people for fools everyday. Legacy media our Politicians Government leaders need to stay far away from our healthcare system. With this legalization of marijuana cannabis other drugs is creating more visits to Emergency departments for what they have done. Taking critical time away from patients who want and need care. This past 4 years what they have done and continue to do all because they don't like one person. All of this is not going to end well for them that I can tell you. Avoiding doing something with Fauci, is not going to fix what they did and continue to do each day with daily lies. It's at the point right now we have no one that we can honestly trust.
Alex, I'm working on an article on how covid "measures" contributed to the deaths as well. Measures such as ventilators, lockdowns, etc. Unfortunately, this is the dark side of medicine that we're seeing: https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/the-dark-side-of-medicine-see-no
That was an excellent piece you wrote. Since I'm retired I didn't have to submit to forced vaccines. I had the Wuhan virus, twice, it was not much different than the flu. In fact I've had worse cases of the flu. I've been harrassed by doctors to get the vaccine. I also am dealing with hyper tension, which I have under control, but I wonder what would have happened had I gotten the vaccine.
Peer reviewed Journal of the AMA -- sponsored by????? Is there any research out there that has any truth to it? Maybe there's an astrologist or a tarot card reader somewhere who can conduct some real "research". The truth can't line their pockets /$$$. Thanks Alex!!
I love it! I saved it to read later. There is a “Flat Earth Conference” Greg Reese goes to. I’d love to go! My mind is OPEN. Especially after the last 20 years!
Post "vaccine" scientific analysis of Covid matters will not come from :scientists" in the U. S. In this instance we will need to look for un-compromised scientists in Europe and possibly Israel for accurate scientific work.
it's funny how the "vaccine" is never mentioned in the story of the NFL player who dutifully took the vaxx, developed pericarditis, then was waived by his team.
you know that was the first thing the editor looked to make sure *wasn't* there.
And The Athletic which would normally report the story, and which censors vax questioning comments, did not touch the story. Shameful how the legacy media refuses to ask any questions.
Thanks for doing the research so I don't have too. Most of the pro mask and vaxx articles I read the last 3 years seemed to have something flawed in the article.
A pro mask article from Honolulu touted that a gym spinning class that didn't require masks all got covid. The last line of the article said that all the people who wore masks in the class all got covid too.
I'm not a Republican, but it is obvious that the US Media hates the working class. Saw it during the Trucker Protest in Canada - the disdain in multiple articles that a Trucker should be able to choose their medical treatment.
Is it also noteworthy that the excess death rate itself went up after open vaccine availability? Wouldn't the vaccine logic be that excess deaths would decline with a vaccine? Asking for a friend.
I wonder how many state/county pairs these researchers had to go through before finding a pair that seemed to back up the hypothesis that unvaxxed Republicans died while vaxxed Democrats lived.
At any rate, "liberals" also paint Republicans as blind supporters of anything and everything Trump says. Yet Trump touted the shots and proudly continues to do so, to this day.
Thus we are to believe that unquestioning Trump believers are too independent-thinking to take his injection. Leftists, make up your minds which bigoted view you want to hold about Republicans, for you cannot hold both of these beliefs at the same time. Unless, of course, you're not as smart and logical as you make yourselves out to be.
They are part of the Covidian cabal hellbent on never admitting they were/are wrong. Their incessant clinging to dubious study data is merely evidence of the aforementioned...in my world, revenge is a dish best served cold...bring in the day of reckoning...
More Republicans rejected the jab?? Not from my anecdotal data base. Total anti vaxxers are liberal minded “no chemicals in my body” to begin with and when Trump foolishly took credit for the life saving vaccine that gave many TDS sufferers pause. I think the fork in the road came after people were vaxxed and oh oops! it didn’t stop anyone from getting it, common sense thinkers declined any more vaccines whereas the gaslit fearful doubled down on masks, social distancing and jabs.
As Dr. Peter McCullough says in I believe the 6 episode of the remedy.film docuseries "to be called vaccine hesitant is a badge of honor", and what all people who had clarity on what happened the past 4 years should feel going forward with ANY injection being suggested by these criminal psychopathic entities
Just more noise to divide the USA. See! Look at those bad right winged conspiracy theorist. They all died because they didn’t get vaxxed! Or their all evil because they voted for bad orange man, don’t support men in women’s sports, sexualizing children, drag queen story hour for children, decriminalizing rape of minors by pedophiles ( commiefornia) and I could go on. Nothing by accident!
LOL we know EXACTLY why they're doing it -- they need to uphold the fiction that they were on the 'right' side of history.
And the 'study' papers know that, so they cherry pick dates and use scant data to try to make a broad point. (That's why ALL these studies ignore the fact that blue states sped up their curves by infecting all the at-risk at once. Gotta start them AFTER the blue states already killed all their covid patients)
This was by far the worst crime of covid, because the nursing homes told the 'experts' it was a bad idea, but were threatened with sanctions (loss of license) for noncompliance.
Good catches, Alex! Earlier criticisms by Vinay Prasad and others did not note these details, focusing instead on other methodological problems. Your article is great because you don't need to sweat over the question of why death rates were similar before vaccines came out, if confounding is the cause of the differences later on.
Yes, I noticed the discrepancy too between Vinay's criticisms (and the push-back against Vinay's criticisms) and the factors highlighted in Alex's article today. I am very surprised that Vinay didn't jump on this age-stratified difference in death rates, it seems persuasive to me.
Just to be clear on one point: The researchers refer throughout the paper to overall "excess deaths," rather than specifically to deaths from Covid, because they did not have access to death certificates.
But everyone (with the exception of a few conspiracy theorists) agrees that Covid deaths were the primary driver of overall excess deaths in the US in 2020 and 2021.
So the paper is really saying (and has been read to say) that differences in vaccination levels by party drove different rates of COVID deaths, and that difference in turn is visible in the overall death rates. I didn't want to get into this subtle difference in the story, but if you've gotten this far, you might be interested.
All years in ICU critical care I have never heard a doctor nurse anyone who is taking care of patients. Ask or talk political things. I don't believe you can or should be in Medicine if you do so. I believe these people are saying this for attention or to create more division. This is like telling everyone to stand in a certain circles on the floor at grocery store. Utter nonsense again.
These people are being "told" to say these things by those who control the narrative of Tyranny. Power and control is all the puppeteers behind the curtain know.
Same Neocons who are going after Trump, same trick but a different day. Our government leaders want everyone to believe what said for day. Absolutely no death certificate say what Political party you belong to legacy media is taking America 🇺🇸 American people for fools everyday. Legacy media our Politicians Government leaders need to stay far away from our healthcare system. With this legalization of marijuana cannabis other drugs is creating more visits to Emergency departments for what they have done. Taking critical time away from patients who want and need care. This past 4 years what they have done and continue to do all because they don't like one person. All of this is not going to end well for them that I can tell you. Avoiding doing something with Fauci, is not going to fix what they did and continue to do each day with daily lies. It's at the point right now we have no one that we can honestly trust.
Well said and like you say ALL to keep ONE person who is not a good fit in the SWAMP out! Trump Derangement Syndrome is so REAL
Alex, I'm working on an article on how covid "measures" contributed to the deaths as well. Measures such as ventilators, lockdowns, etc. Unfortunately, this is the dark side of medicine that we're seeing: https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/the-dark-side-of-medicine-see-no
That was an excellent piece you wrote. Since I'm retired I didn't have to submit to forced vaccines. I had the Wuhan virus, twice, it was not much different than the flu. In fact I've had worse cases of the flu. I've been harrassed by doctors to get the vaccine. I also am dealing with hyper tension, which I have under control, but I wonder what would have happened had I gotten the vaccine.
Peer reviewed Journal of the AMA -- sponsored by????? Is there any research out there that has any truth to it? Maybe there's an astrologist or a tarot card reader somewhere who can conduct some real "research". The truth can't line their pockets /$$$. Thanks Alex!!
I would trust an Astrologist and a Tarot card reader over the government... hands down!
And God is my first choice.
You may like these articles:
https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/the-spirituality-of-flat-earth
https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/the-religious-tenants-of-scientism
I love it! I saved it to read later. There is a “Flat Earth Conference” Greg Reese goes to. I’d love to go! My mind is OPEN. Especially after the last 20 years!
JAMA has been circulating lies about covid since 2020. They shouldn't call themselves a medical journal.
Post "vaccine" scientific analysis of Covid matters will not come from :scientists" in the U. S. In this instance we will need to look for un-compromised scientists in Europe and possibly Israel for accurate scientific work.
Much like our government statistics, this study is pure propaganda
it's funny how the "vaccine" is never mentioned in the story of the NFL player who dutifully took the vaxx, developed pericarditis, then was waived by his team.
you know that was the first thing the editor looked to make sure *wasn't* there.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/broncos-waive-k-j-hamler-monday-after-wr-is-diagnosed-with-mild-heart-irritation-expected-to-miss-a-month/
Like clockwork...it's never mentioned as causative possibility. The perfect crime is executing STILL
And The Athletic which would normally report the story, and which censors vax questioning comments, did not touch the story. Shameful how the legacy media refuses to ask any questions.
The very existence of this study, designed to show that the enemy tribe suffered more than one's own tribe from COVID, is breathtaking to me.
Everything that comes out now appears to be nothing but propaganda:
https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/who-are-the-bad-guys
Agreed. So howzabout the parallel study on flu deaths?
Statistics
Statistics are like alienists—they will testify for either side.
Fiorello H. La Guardia
There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.
Benjamin Disraeli (there is some doubt about whether Disraeli actually said this, but it’s generally attributed to him)
Thanks for doing the research so I don't have too. Most of the pro mask and vaxx articles I read the last 3 years seemed to have something flawed in the article.
A pro mask article from Honolulu touted that a gym spinning class that didn't require masks all got covid. The last line of the article said that all the people who wore masks in the class all got covid too.
Hahahaha, you literally can't make this stuff up. Do the people writing these trash articles actually go back and read them?
I'm not a Republican, but it is obvious that the US Media hates the working class. Saw it during the Trucker Protest in Canada - the disdain in multiple articles that a Trucker should be able to choose their medical treatment.
Alex,
Is it also noteworthy that the excess death rate itself went up after open vaccine availability? Wouldn't the vaccine logic be that excess deaths would decline with a vaccine? Asking for a friend.
"Why are reporters hyping a deeply flawed study supposedly proving Covid killed more Republicans because they had lower jab rates?"
Because it's all about psychological satisfaction for these people. No matter how much you hate mainstream media journalists, it's not enough.
Because the communists in the Pravda media are your moral superiors, so just shut up and do as we say.
Yep. The vaxxed and boosted D voting journalists hype this story because it validates their view from inside their blue bubble.
And it’s not nearly as much as they hate you.
And the worst sin of the “study”? The authors did not know (and couldn’t know) the actual vaccination status.
I wonder how many state/county pairs these researchers had to go through before finding a pair that seemed to back up the hypothesis that unvaxxed Republicans died while vaxxed Democrats lived.
At any rate, "liberals" also paint Republicans as blind supporters of anything and everything Trump says. Yet Trump touted the shots and proudly continues to do so, to this day.
Thus we are to believe that unquestioning Trump believers are too independent-thinking to take his injection. Leftists, make up your minds which bigoted view you want to hold about Republicans, for you cannot hold both of these beliefs at the same time. Unless, of course, you're not as smart and logical as you make yourselves out to be.
What a pathetic excuse for a scientific paper.
They are part of the Covidian cabal hellbent on never admitting they were/are wrong. Their incessant clinging to dubious study data is merely evidence of the aforementioned...in my world, revenge is a dish best served cold...bring in the day of reckoning...
More Republicans rejected the jab?? Not from my anecdotal data base. Total anti vaxxers are liberal minded “no chemicals in my body” to begin with and when Trump foolishly took credit for the life saving vaccine that gave many TDS sufferers pause. I think the fork in the road came after people were vaxxed and oh oops! it didn’t stop anyone from getting it, common sense thinkers declined any more vaccines whereas the gaslit fearful doubled down on masks, social distancing and jabs.
As Dr. Peter McCullough says in I believe the 6 episode of the remedy.film docuseries "to be called vaccine hesitant is a badge of honor", and what all people who had clarity on what happened the past 4 years should feel going forward with ANY injection being suggested by these criminal psychopathic entities
The ol homage, "figures lie and liars figure" seems to have a home in this report.
Just more noise to divide the USA. See! Look at those bad right winged conspiracy theorist. They all died because they didn’t get vaxxed! Or their all evil because they voted for bad orange man, don’t support men in women’s sports, sexualizing children, drag queen story hour for children, decriminalizing rape of minors by pedophiles ( commiefornia) and I could go on. Nothing by accident!
Statistics don't lie but liars use statistics to promote their agenda
"There are lies, damned lies, and statistics."
This has been attributed to Mark Twain, but he attributes this sentiment to Benjamin Disraeli.
LOL we know EXACTLY why they're doing it -- they need to uphold the fiction that they were on the 'right' side of history.
And the 'study' papers know that, so they cherry pick dates and use scant data to try to make a broad point. (That's why ALL these studies ignore the fact that blue states sped up their curves by infecting all the at-risk at once. Gotta start them AFTER the blue states already killed all their covid patients)
Had to pump up those death statistics by putting COVID-positive patients in with the dry tinder in the nursing homes. My governor, Frau Bitchmer, killed at least an additional 8,000 people and that is a low-side estimate. https://www.thecentersquare.com/michigan/article_5978e820-789b-11ec-9954-7fddc8ca9838.html?mwg_rnd=4874944
Making elderly people die alone as well. Criminal.
This was by far the worst crime of covid, because the nursing homes told the 'experts' it was a bad idea, but were threatened with sanctions (loss of license) for noncompliance.
Good catches, Alex! Earlier criticisms by Vinay Prasad and others did not note these details, focusing instead on other methodological problems. Your article is great because you don't need to sweat over the question of why death rates were similar before vaccines came out, if confounding is the cause of the differences later on.
Yes, I noticed the discrepancy too between Vinay's criticisms (and the push-back against Vinay's criticisms) and the factors highlighted in Alex's article today. I am very surprised that Vinay didn't jump on this age-stratified difference in death rates, it seems persuasive to me.