Just saw your notorious Fox interview. I don't think you could have killed your credibility any quicker even if you immersed it in gasoline and set it on fire.
Regarding Ivermectin, here is Dr. Kory - one of the world's most widely published and accomplished doctors - telling the senate early on in near frustrated tears that if you take it early on "you will not get sick":
Heed these words: "Wise men talk because they have something to say. Fools, because they have to say something."
And
"Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people."
The virus is just a virus. Fear is the disease.
Alex, is what clear to me now with what you did on Fox the other night is that we only ever had a super slim chance to win this fight, and that the lion's share of our morality, decency, bravery, shrewdness, and civility have only ever been skin deep... We were never more than one obvious-lying-media-scaremongering-blitz away from throwing all of those window dressing virtues right through the nearest window.
Why are you here? Just go. Or shut up. This conflict is between Berenson and Malone. They don't have to agree. They don't have to like each other. Berenson doesn't have to accept Malone's bona fides. Berenson doesn't have to have to think HCQ and ivermectin are effective against C19 disease. It has nothing to do with you. You are only furthering the conflict and discord...and we have much bigger problems.
If we cannot tolerate differing options, we are no different than the covidians.
This wasn't a debate. This was slander and unbacked opinion. He has said he will be coming up with something to justify his "opinion" on Ivermectin.
The topic of the show was censorship - which should have been more important to Berenson (especially being a journalist) than attacking Malone and Ivermectin. But it wasn't. The reason must be pretty monumental.
It wasn't slander. Because it is an exaggeration for Socrates to claim to be THE inventor of mRNA technology. Other people worked on it with him. See list of names on patents.
Alex, I wonder if there will be more than "usual" number of heart attack deaths shoveling snow this winter due to the wide uptake of the Covid " Vaccines" , ie, Clot Shots.
The purpose of a journalist is not to debate facts but verify and present them. Commentators debate and opine. Attacking people is what the MSM calls journalism.
Read it but Dr. Malone briefly stated his case. He spent more time focusing on the matter of the kit provided in India that is making "waves." Ivermectin continues to make big waves because of its global success versus the ChiCom virus. Not sure what Alex plans to do to further claim Ivermectin is analogous to vax failure. That makes no damn sense to me as I've seen some of the global studies and know about its application domestically via the FLCCC website.
I watched the clip. There was no snark. Alex made a point, Malone rebutted it and then went on to write two lengthy substacks mostly proving Alex Berenson right.
Go back and look at the earlier post by Berenson in this right here substack of Berenson's with his snark about Malone to the news. I am not discussing some clip.
My comment was directed to that commenter who was saying this kerfuffle is between the two. IMO Berenson chose to involve us by posting his nasty reply to some news place about Dr. Malone and Ivermectin. It's Berenson's substack, and he can surely post what he wants. But comments are to be expected when he does.
To me it's clear that Alex had a breakdown of some type. I think being at the frontlines of this Plandemic realty takes its toll and is extremely stressful. I just wish he had breathed deep and thought more before he made such a suicidal career move. Yes, it was petty and was a major set-back for our team.
If we tell people with whom we have a disagreement to shut up or go away, we become the enemy we are fighting as well. The vaccine mandate people are doing their best to censor and stifle free speech. We never should.
Sounds like you have a crush on Alex. Ask him out already....
All jokes aside, there is plently of evidence showing these meds work very well. Not sure why Alex went off the rails on facts with this. Very out of character
Pretty intense dude :) This comment section is beginning to look like what we despise so much on the commiecRAT side of things lol. Let Alex do his "data is gonna data" thing. It IS why we follow him or at least I thought. Unless, of course you no longer believe his data reveals are real now because of his personal opinions on other areas of life-topics. God knows I have my own opinions and KNOW for a fact many do not agree with me on everything I say and do.
I'd feel a lot better if he apologized and realized HOW he disagreed and WHEN and WHERE hurt our cause. His tone and all. And was an over-statement compared to all the good Dr. Malone was contributing. I don't consider saying nothing enough, and I see he lost lots of subscribers which is too bad. I'll hang around a while and see what he does. Nobody expects to censor Alex's opinions on ivermectin or anything else but Malone's position matches RJK Jr. pretty close and he needs to learn how to have a debate with people basically on his side. But I'll wait a while and see what he does.
It IS too bad and he might have kept them if he'd done it. I will likely stay for the same reason I defended Rand Paul all along. People don't have to agree on all of it. BUT that is not how he should have handled that. Be nice if he said so. I hope he hasn't set us way back.
Sort of agree. If we are following Alex for his data-- why did he not read the deportation order and give the REAL REASON Novak was booted from Australia -- see my post above. IF all Alex has left is his "data' then he better frigging get it right-- right?
Personally, I still focus my attention on not what Alex feels politically-personally about things. If he applied his biases within his data now that is a horse of a different color and I would be the first to cancel my subscription. At this point I feel he is still in his lane on data. Just sayin...
Sorry? writing a false statement is "political-personal" It is a fact that Novak wasn't tossed from Australia because he was unvaxxed. Fact. I am starting to feel that some posters here are just stats sluts. As someone who did forecasting and stats for years and then as a medical professional did even more-- stats lie ALL the time. It depends on what you want them to say. Stop treating them like gold.
I'm from Melbourne. The 'real reason' was he was deemed a threat to public health because he 'may' have driven dissent amongst the population, encouraged an anti vax movement, and undermined the government's vax policy.
Given Australia is 93% double dosed, this can really only mean the boosters are about to be mandated. It is terrifying.
I would submit that that is the "stated reason", the real reason being that he is unvaxxed. The stated reason is scarier though, imo. No dissident opinions are to be tolerated in Australia apparently.
Sounding more and more like that is in fact what happened. I know some here are ahead on this knowing as they see it so its GOOD its explained and shared more and more. I would THINK as it gains more traction some of the bigger names of conservative media will touch on it. At least I would like to think there are a few yet who have the balls!
Australia's deportation of the unvaccinated tennis star Novak Djokovic creates serious dangers. Also: we produced shows this week on 1/6 and the new sedition charges.
I wish Alex followed his slogan on IVM instead of making dismissive comments. Uttar Pradesh, Argentina, Mexico etc etc counter his baseless comments on IVM with data.
Come to think of it, thinking about IVM example makes his baseless attack on Malone seem as a pattern.
Its not like Malone "alone" did this...he and his team worked on the development of the tech and yes Malone's name is on the patents we have all seen. This is not like Al Gore who invented the internet *wink*
It's a mistake to cultivate Covid prophets whose views are sacred and demand allegiance, whether they're Fauci, or whether they're Malone. It's also a mistake to put your faith in silver-bullet solutions to SARS-2. Respiratory coronaviruses are extremely pervasive, and the credentials of whatever expert aside, antivirals aren't going to be able to solve them, in the way people like Kory seem to assert.
Have you seen the CDC survival rate numbers for SARS-CoV-2? They are so high they even combine the death rate numbers with co-morbidity causes (eg. COVID+pneumonia) to goose them higher because the survival rate for almost everyone is practically 100%.
Ivermectin is vouched for by a large number of doctors to be both safe and extraordinarily effective in treating COVID-19. It is also very cheap.
The entire edifice of authority from the media, to the pharmaceutical industry, to the government,, to the NGOs, wants to kill and bury Ivermectin as deep as possible as a treatment.
In early January 2020, just as the plandemic was getting underway, France inexplicably banned HCQ labeling it as a poisonous substance. Up until that day, it had been as easy to get as tylenol is in America – over the counter.
If there is a treatment for a disease the FDA cannot grant an EUA for a competing treatment, in covid’s case, the vaccine. Put on your detective shoes and think critically about this for a minute.
And Biden would be sitting on a mountain as high as Everest of unused vials ! All paid for by taxpayer money. I wonder how many people have gotten expired shots. Is that why they die ? Or is it the PEG - just saw an article about 1.4 Dioxane, a side product of PEG. You want that under your skin? Of course, the needle worhsipers will. As for me, I will rather take my dog's trusted medicine. As you say, they can only use the shots as long as there is no treatment, and I think that is why no treatment has been approved. They must first finish that crap.
I’m an ICU RN. I worked SARS, and I volunteered in Sierra Leone. Nothing in my past experience prepared me for the hysteria and utter helplessness I witnessed at my hospital in Jan 2020. It was as though we had completely lost our critical thinking skills. We used HC for SARS. Using it for C19 seemed a logical choice and many MDs at the large teaching hospital where I work prescribed it, initially. Within weeks, this treatment was forbidden by Admin & our Marketing team. We were given the lame excuse that there wasn’t enough “supply” and it needed to be preserved for Rheumatoid Arthritis patients, etc. A few MDs protested but they soon stopped. Pre-“pandemic “, we used Ivermectin to treat pneumonia and also for types of leukemia. It has anti-viral and anti-bacterial properties. It’s also an anti-inflammatory. The aspect of C19 that is deadly is the pulmonary phase, which triggers a massive inflammatory response. This is why Ivermectin IS a powerful & effective drug for C19 and other lung infections. This notion that Ivermectin is a veterinary medicine is mystifying. Most of the drugs we use have both human and veterinary applications. The active ingredients are the same, the delivery is different, to account for different digestive systems.
It’s incredible how divided we’ve become over C19. One way or another, it’s killing us.
You are aware that if you die “with” covid, (False positives count also) Not even “from” Covid, covid goes on your death certificate? That brings those ACTUAL death stats down even lower, no?
Agreed. Though I think the broader point is that for the vulnerable population, ivermectin may be a non threatening intervention, with the likelihood of an upside.
The thing is, what reason is there not to try it given the volume of positive reports? It may or may not help, but it is extremely safe, less dangerous than aspirin or Tylenol, so what is the harm in trying? I don’t see anyone saying not to take aspirin or Tylenol when you have Covid because of the risk, so the vociferous resistance from medical authorities and the corporate media is extremely suspicious.
I think it is a combination. The link I posted higher stipulates that the virus is real, it is not new, but it is benign. Ivermectin is an antiparasitic med. I think it helps against the virus. But the main thing seems to have been the enormous amount of polution, according to the author, and particles entered peoples bodies with the virus and poisoned them. I remember from the beginning how many different symptoms occured, including blue fingers and toes etc. So I think this might be on to something.
eugyppius - When all the "Very Smart People" are rejecting early home treatments and treatment is only offered once hospitalized, those of us with high BS meters are put on alert. When doctors actively treating patients (like Kory) find something they think helps, well that beats the CDC's no treatment. When big pharma then comes out with a couple pills for early treatment and are touted by the three-letter government agencies before trials are complete, it only makes us more skeptical. I understand the difference between a cure and a treatment. Ivermectin and HCQ are not cures, but if they discourage viral replication, even a small amount, it can't hurt. I will try anything at this point to keep my elderly relatives out of the hospital where they go to die.
Totally agree. The "traditional" U.S. healthcare system is a total disgrace and a disaster. I have seen it first-hand.
Most dogmatic general practice doctors are refusing to administer early treatment to symptomatic patients and just advice Tylenol. If the patient's health worsens (and they are unable to breath), they are sent to the ER and get subsequently shoved into the hospital (annihilation) system. Once there, each patient becomes a money-making machine for the hospital and a lonely prisoner, since they are not allowed visits and they are at the mercy of a very corrupt system.
To treat Covid, U.S. hospitals are mostly using Remdisivir, a drug that has been proven to cause kidney and liver failure. It was used in the Ebola trials and promptly removed, because it was killing more people than it was saving.
Hospitals prescribing Remdisivir receive a 20% bonus (from CMS - Medicare/Madicaid) and are legally protected if a patient dies from the side effects. There is no informed consent provided to the patient.
Doctors/nurses in the hospital system are being either complicit or ignorant, both of these unacceptable. It would seem that they have forgotten their pledge to “do no harm”, and so does the hospital administration, prioritizing their income and Pharma-driven incentives over the quality of the care.
This is why so many people are desperate to get early Covid treatments. Who would want to be shoved inside the corrupt, and potentially deadly hospital system? I rather try Ivermectin, HCQ or anything else available before putting my body at the mercy of these morons. : )
From my perspective, Dr. Malone is not viewed as a “prophet”. He is a well-respected scientist with significant experience in the field of vaccination and who is trying to make a good difference in this world by remaining as balanced and ethical as possible. In his Substack newsletter, he provides the patent history of MRNA technology, and his name is there:
On the other hand, Berenson HAS NOT PROVIDED yet any DATA whatsoever to back up his claims/accusations against Dr. Malone.
His attack was totally out of context, irrational, illogical, unprofessional and frankly, a bit nuts. He has now alienated his subscribers and lost professional credibility. He revealed himself as an immature human being, who lacks wisdom, self-awareness and integrity.
Malone's provided a list of patents he shares with a number of other people. They make his claim to be THE inventor of mRNA tech an exaggeration. Maybe the co inventors beefed to Alex about Malone's claim. But Malone's reaction to being called out by Alex suggests a nerve was hit.
Berenson has not yet provided any DATA to back up his public accusation against Dr. Malone. The proof is in the data, not in empty words.
If you know anything about grad school, you probably know that usually papers involve a collaboration with other people (advisors, peers, etc). Even if ONE of them had the first idea on the topic. To my knowledge, the Salk institute has never disputed that mRNA technology was Malone's idea.
I have a patent that I share with two other people. When I talk about it, I say, "I have a patent." I don't say, "I have a patent that I share with two other people." I have a patent. Period. That's not a lie. It is the truth.
I haven't heard anybody say that Ivermectin and HCQ are silver bullets. What I've heard, over and over again, is that if you use them very early in the illness, in combination with Zinc and against a background of strong Vit D levels, you are far less likely to end up in the hospital. That position is strongly supported now by many studies as well as the testimony of physicians and patients. It's certainly good enough for me. I wonder whether, if Alex or his wife (or you) get Covid, you will prefer to sit back and wait until your lips turn blue rather than try what so many have said helps. Even if it only reduced your risk of hospitalization by 20 percent, it would certainly be better than doing nothing, and it reduces the risk by way more than that.
For the life of me I cannot believe we're still having this same stupid argument.
Totally agree. Would try anything. Well they tried Viagra and that seemed to help too. Better than wait till you get so sick you must go to hospital, which is full of sickness and many have resistant bacteria.
What's that got to do with Robert Malone who clearly invented mRNA vaccines and has good evidence for ivermectin? What does that have to do with Alex's false accusations?
We are all humbling stumbling humans. None of us is always right, and even a broken clock is right twice a day. So we all have to sift through the grub to find the grain of gold. Nevertheless there is more gold on Substack than in the NYT LOL
My 2 best friends and everyone at church, including the clergy, went right along. Luckily I had a few more distant friends, who like me, did not. At least we have a small group of true blood left LOL. No guru for me. Never tolerated anyone telling me what to do. That is probably what set me off in this whole mess. Bumbling ? Bees ? Soon... honey is good medicine you know. It might help just as good ! And it is pure - gold !
It doesn't make sense to overplay ivermectin - it seems to help in most cases, and with a very safe profile it makes sense for most people to at least try it instead of taking aspirin and waiting for their lips to turn blue. But ivermectin is not a perfect cure where people don't even get sick. At least not with current strains.
Edit: For the people who keep asking who is overplaying ivermectin, read the original comment from tritorch.
If you have spent any time listening to the Doctors who have been successful with early intervention treatment of Covid 19, they are CLEAR to say that there is NO one drug that will treat this virus. It requires a combination of a number of drugs and vitamins, minerals - used in concert - to keep SARS-Cov2 from becoming deadly. That is why the regimins include HCQ, Ivermectin, Zinc, Vitamins D & C - with other things.
BUT - HCQ and Ivermectin are two KEY components in that treatment regimine. They DO work in this regimine.
Totally agree JD. The FLCCC protocols are a combination of drugs and over the counter vitamins, minerals etc working together to assist your immune system to get well. Reducing the viral load it important. Nasal and throat sprays help reduce the viral load since the virus is airborne.
I took issue with that Kory quote from late 2020. If we're going to start debating IVM, it shouldn't be a strawman version of the perfect cure. It should be within the context you laid out.
So your 1st sentence in quotes is from Kory? I have to admit - I'm not sure I understand the quote (not much context) - or your whole 1st paragraph. Help me.
I do know that Kory and some of the other doctors believe that taking IVM as a preventative is a good strategy. I believe there was one study where one group of several hundred medical personnel took IVM and the control group of several hundred did not... I believe that none (or very few) of the IVM group caught covid while 50% or so of the contol did. That was a pretty stark result.
I procured a supply of IVM in the middle of 2020 (it was difficult to do so), as a standby in case I caught covid - because at that point the treatment was - "go home, take tylenol and come back when you can't breate and your lips are turning blue". Since then I've been taking all the other stuff that the FLCCC folks have listed on their preventative protocol... I chose not to take the IVM prophylactically to save it for when/if I got sick.
I'm not an IVM nut - but I DO believe that these doctors around the country who have - out of desperation and necessity worked with off-label meds to find something that keeps their patients out of the hospital and ICU - have found something that is effective. And I'm going to follow what they suggest.
Having listened to their explanations of the reason each drug/vitamin/compound helps deter the advance of the covid infection - it makes sense and can do no harm. So I cannot see why I should not do that.
That's exactly what I did too. Just a couple months ago, I as 67 yr old got chance to try out Ivermectin, first on more serious Delta infection at the end of November, then on (far milder-shorter) Omicrummy (but which heeds neither prior vax nor prior naturally acquired immunity to earlier strains) just 5 weeks later. Without cloning oneself in these situations, it's always going to be difficult to know for sure how much the Ivermectin helped in recovery but it certainly didn't hurt! I was taking other FLCCC-recommended vitamins as well and also ended up getting the Regeneron monoclonal antibody fusion (which seemed to work although I waited a week too long). Reportedly Regeneron doesn't work on Omicron (although a different monoclonal antibody might work but that one is in such short supply as to be non-existent). If Fauci Ilk had not been so hell-bent on their "one-size-fits-all" mass vaccination agenda as the sole solution, medical authorities would have discovered and provided a number of effective therapeutic treatments. Instead they allowed thousands to die to further their goal as "ends justify the means."
The original comment from tritorch quoted Kory - 'Telling the senate early on in near frustrated tears that if you take it early on "you will not get sick"'
I'm a big fan of Kory, but at this point in time, claiming you won't get sick is a strawman. If Berenson is opening the debate on ivermectin, let's debate its value within the context you mentioned (multi-drug, multi-phase), not as a perfect stand-alone cure where you won't get sick. The evidence is good that ivermectin is safe and effective, based on the original understanding of what safe and effective means.
I took IVM when I caught covid and my illness was very mild. I don't know if that was because of the ivm or because omicron is mild. My point was that claiming you won't even get sick is unnecessary and shouldn't be available to detractors.
"But ivermectin is not a perfect cure where people don't even get sick." Why would one need a cure if one is not sick? (Though in this report we hear it may be otherwise.)
As for current strains, the early investigation into Ivermectin showed it was broadly antiviral, not just anti-covid A&B. So, absent proof it is ineffective against current Covid strains, unless I missed that info (please if you have it share the link), it would seem potentially effective if one can get it. Certainly more effective than taking yet another jab that was geared to A&B strains.
And now the FDA/CDC is doing a study of Ivermectin. I have NO faith in how they conduct it, but find that interesting. There are hundreds of studies on the effectiveness of Ivermectin and HCQ, all done, of course, before the perpetrators of the jab and fear worked to dismiss them.
Covid is actually a progression of diseases. Competent docs aren't just pill pushers but treat symptoms as they present. Some docs are more competent than others. For every doc that gets it right there are a couple others who screw things up. There should be a whole lot of malpractice suits, but they've spread the culpability so broadly no one is likely to be blamed. The only rational result will be total overhaul of medical practice and us supporting industries.
One of the most integral pieces of the disastrous response has been the legal liability waivers only for CDC recommended treatment such as remdesevir and ventilators. And then for doctors that venture off the reservation into the actual practice of medicine, the threat of malpractice looms. This is why the majority of doctors won't touch ivermectin or HCQ.
No. Doctors are having their licenses taken away if they do not follow the narrative. It is clear CDC does not endorse Ivermectin as it is generic and no money in it. There is a clear push to get the jabs out as those make money. Anyone standing in the way of Pfizer gets their medical license removed. Just check out what they did to Malone's doctor in Maine. A travesty!
I had to bypass my own doctor and go well out of my way to obtain an IVM prescription. I intend to use it ONLY should I catch the Chinese virus.
But I'll tell ya, I was surprised when I looked at the bottle of IVM and saw a sticker that says "DANGEROUS DRUGS" stuck to the bottle. Mind you, I got the IVM from a willing doctor and a willing pharmacist, so it's not like they wanted to dissuade me from using it.
Still, I've *never* gotten a prescription that had a "DANGEROUS DRUGS" sticker attached. So for all IVM's apparent benefits, it's not like throwing back a daily multivitamin or whatever.
crazy...I have some in stock too which I ordered, but has no mention of dangerous. Interesting since it has one of the strongest safety profiles in Pharmacopeia
Oh, and this too - the US government itself requires incoming refugees to take IVM. Incoming refugees, who are likely undernourished if not malnourished, and who may not even be infected with anything IVM treats, THEY are required to take it. That's how "dangerous" it is.
And, even the WHO calls it an "essential drug" or some such compelling language. But yeah, after battling my own doc unsuccessfully and then bypassing him, I triumphantly opened the overnight package and pulled out my quarry...only to see "DANGEROUS DRUGS" slapped on the bottle!
More than a little surprised, I must say. But I'll still take it if I catch the WuFlu.
Where I live, I could only get the horse version. A comment I read a while ago struck me as very true: if IVM is given to million dollar race horses and it is, it can't be that dangerous.
If you're concerned, look at a website like rxlist.com or drugs.com to see what the adverse events might be. Either people version or horse version, over dosing is never a good idea. By the way, IVM is used to treat scabies. If you look at wikipedia scabies article, it matter of factly states that in poor countries where people can't afford the people version, they just get the animal version. Someone commented that in South Africa, they call it sheep dip.
Nope, not concerned. I'll take it if I catch the Chinese virus. Was just pointing out that I was surprised to see the sticker on the pill bottle, having never seen that on anything else, ever.
Something I recently learned is that ivermectin and quercetin should not be taken at the same time. Stagger them, take one at night and one in the morning. It's an FLCCC recommendation.
Adverse reactions to drug interactions is pretty common. My dad was in icu several days before a competent doc noticed the meds list. Changed one med and he recovered immediately.
The internet actually has greater wisdom than many docs. Even docs use it to learn. Medical errors is third or fourth leading cause of death. Internet is probably not even top 10.
Good to know, thanks. I've got Q and I take it with my multi, C, D, and Zinc in the morning. I'll be sure to stagger them if I need to take the IVM before it expires.
I generally don't like to take drugs of any kind, prescription or OTC, and I'm not on any regular prescriptions. But I had a neck injury 2 years ago (I'd make up a great story about how I fought off a carjacker or something, but I slept in a bad position) and so I was given some prescription painkiller. A common one, but I don't remember the name. I do remember being cautious with it the first dose, because I didn't want to go to sleep and not wake up, so I took it in the morning even though it said it could cause drowsiness (it didn't). Anyway, whatever that well-known painkiller was (percoset maybe? is that something?), I'm pretty sure I would've remembered seeing "DANGEROUS DRUGS" on it.
So at least with respect to this one anecdote, I can say "no".
I've taken one drug that had a danger label on it. It was Zyvox, one of the last antibiotics available to treat antibiotic resistant bacteria. And no surprise to me, I got all the most serious side effects - the kind where the package insert says: Stop taking this drug immediately if you have any of these symptoms. The drug can cause irreversible kidney damage, deafness, etc.
I consulted a doctor and he told me to stop taking it immediately. I would have done so even if he hadn't said to do so. I imagine it probably did damage my kidneys and my hearing to some unknown degree.
Ha! Wonder if they put that sticker on all the opioids they dispense every day? I took IVM when I got Covid back in October (starting on the first day of symptoms, and I never got very sick). I tolerated it quite well with no side effects. I don't know if it helped or I just had a very mild case, but I'd certainly take it again.
I tested positive for covid last night. All for of my car mates are sick, and the house we visited had 5 sick people. I took my first dose of ivermectin a half hour ago.
I've noticed another error. There were four of us in the car. That makes 3 car mates because I am the fourth. Oh, my. I need a covid nap, but the pre-schooler isn't sick enough to nap. Le sigh.
Dr. Malone is a well-respected scientist with significant experience in the field of vaccination and who is trying to make a good difference in this world by remaining as balanced and ethical as possible. In his Substack newsletter, he provides the patent history of MRNA technology, and his name is there:
Berenson HAS NOT PROVIDED yet any DATA whatsoever to back up his claims/accusations against Dr. Malone.
His attack was totally out of context, irrational, illogical, unprofessional and frankly, a bit nuts. He has now alienated his subscribers and lost professional credibility. He revealed himself as an immature human being, who lacks wisdom, self-awareness and integrity.
He's a liberal who has no liberal audience. His wife and children are losing friends because he's against the narrative. If he accepts liberal doctors killed hundreds of thousands because they refused to try ivermectin at first sign of covid, he'll lose anyone left in his circle. Perhaps.
I think the word "liberal" has lost all meaning at this point. "Liberal" used to refer to people who are for liberty, civil rights, human rights, inclusive democracy, etc. Now it seems to refer to people who are enthusiastic fascists and totalitarians. I think we should stop using the word entirely.
liberal comes from the word liberty... All of the enlightenment thinkers and American revolutionaries were liberals. The Democratic party taking an authoritarian turn is antithema to liberalism. Ironically even absolutist CRT and transactivism cannot be described as liberal anymore.
And when will Alex realize that he still CAN reclaim some dignity, but only when he unreservedly admits how wrong he was on FOX? He has an opportunity to grow, but it seems as though he is running from it (natural enough; saying I was wrong" is plenty tough, but essential for a whole human being). Not much point, for me at least, following him until he comes clean. Thank you for your links. Didn't know anything about them.
I don't expect to agree with everything Alex says or writes, nor do I expect anyone to fall in line behind a narrative. That's the problem with the Covidians, right? That's the problem with cancel culture right? Rather than impute some level of morality to an assertion by Alex or anyone else, if you disagree then make your counterpoint and the rest of us can soak it in. That's the value of free speech. You have to listen to everyone; it's a feature, not a bug.
I know MANY people who were suck with delta and a few were old people extremely overweight. They used ivermectin and felt 10 times better within 3 days. I'm on it right now and can tell a huge difference.
Berenson is still silent about this and has not provided any actual data to support the claims he blasted on the show. Perhaps he is hoping that, by writing about Israel or Australia, his subscribers will soon forget. I do not think so ...
I posted this earlier in the day but in my opinion, it is up to Papa Smurf to have credible data and to be honest. You do realize that a team of horses pull that stagecoach.
Effect of Ivermectin on Time to Resolution of Symptoms Among Adults With Mild COVID-19
Rapid Increase in Ivermectin Prescriptions and Reports of Severe Illness Associated with Use of Products Containing Ivermectin to Prevent or Treat COVID-19.
The first link that you provided was to a study conducted in Colombia. It states the following conflicts of interest: "Dr López-Medina reported receiving grants from Sanofi Pasteur, GlaxoSmithKline, and Janssen and personal fees from Sanofi Pasteur during the conduct of the study. Dr López reported receiving grants from Sanofi Pasteur, GlaxoSmithKline, and Janssen and personal fees from Sanofi Pasteur during the conduct of the study. Dr Oñate reported receiving grants from Janssen and personal fees from Merck Sharp & Dohme and Gilead outside the submitted work." As you know, Gilead is the maker of Remdesivir, which is the killer drug being administered at hospitals. Janssen is the vaccine marker.
The second link that you provided is from the CDC, which has well-known conflicts of interest with Big Pharma and is pushing the vaccines and no early treatments.
Just FYI - NIH actually includes Ivermectin as a possible Covid treatment (please scroll down, #4 in the table):
Okay Papa Smurf you have one chance and one chance only. You have a patient who has covid-19 on life support because the patient has 1 liter of fluid in the lungs. How is Ivermectin not going to kill this patient. How am i as a Critical Care Doctor even going to get the medicine. Not being a veterinarian. And the N.IH. does not approve this drug for covid. More so if death from overdoses is from Ivermectin.
Perhaps be you should speak with your Papa Smurf about it. Do not provide bogus or compromised references (with economic conflicts of interest). It is a waste of time for us both. Thank you.
You like Papa Smurf have zero clue what Covid truly is this is why misinformation is being spread. From people like yourself listening to CNN Fauci and Papa Smurf and believing Ivermectin saves lives.
Rapid Increase in Ivermectin Prescriptions and Reports of Severe Illness Associated with Use of Products Containing Ivermectin to Prevent or Treat COVID-19.
Your source is the CDC. A fake news organization. Have you read these links? Can you discuss the details? I doubt it. If I'm wrong let me know and let's discuss
All in - Dr Malone got a lot many more subscribers, Alex continues to show that he is undeterred by public noise (a good thing I will say), and his readers continue to remain critical thinkers.
Look nobody owes anyone anything here. You pay because you find value. Don’t find value? Don’t pay. Go elsewhere. If you REALLY are a critical thinker you will take points from Alex (not everything he says is right), from Malone (not everything HE says is right) Rogan etc…and form your own opinions. Why do we need this one Demi-God?
Not the point at all - the point is Alex highjacked a segment on censorship to take a couple of low blows on a colleague. Trashy, immature and disgusting.
Was that sarcasm? I remember a typical FoxNews "Fair & Balanced" panel was some liberal "R" moderating 2 Dems & 2 squishy RINOs. Then during Trump's 2015-16 campaign & beyond, it'd be a "Blue-Light" Federalist "R" interviewing 2 Dems & 2 NeverTrumps. Often the moderator would be a pseudosophisticated pretend bubbleboy or bubblegirl - shocked, SHOCKED I say! - by Trump using a BAD word in a private conversation. e.g. Priss Wallace or MeGyn Kelly. Surely it was the first time those innocents had EVER heard or used that word! Why they had to look it up to get offended!
I wonder if Tucker Carlson knew something was brewing between Alex & Malone. Controversy = Ratings.
What is your evidence that Fox News is not fair and balanced? Stop repeating narratives you don't have the evidence for. I can give you many more fake news segments from CNN & NYT than you can from Fox News. Would you like to play the example game?
Fox is less unfair & unbalanced than CNN et ilk. Doesn't mean it's Fair & Balanced. See below. The kind of Faux "Fair & Balanced" that globalist-owned Fox often does is far more destructive than the obvious crap from the Communist News Network. A traitor in your own command post is far more destructive than an open enemy outside the wire.
I'll make the case there's no value here anymore. Might as well get the last of my last $5 worth. Alex won't acknowledge 60+ IVM studies plus India and Japan, thinks an election was fair with 5 counties in 5 states obviously cheating and lies about Dr. Malone on LIVE TV like a sleazy little rat, what other information should I rely on him to interpret for me for $5 per month that I can't interpret myself? Why give him money unless you're a blind sucker or cult follower at this point? He spent 2 months on here just sending screenshots of his book sales. A critical thinker and his money would soon part this sub. The pandemic has been over for months and it's all about politics, society, culture and war now and Alex clearly has no idea about anything on those fronts.
This entire tempest in a teapot made me realize 80% of the commenters here are as rigidly anti-free speech as any bunch of numbskulls at Atlantic Monthly.
Oh so now this is about free speech-- ok so if you slag someone publicly you actually think that is about free speech. How about if Alex has questioned him publicly instead of attacking him?. The law actually distinguishes between the two. So if you think that is free speech-- go ahead do it to whoever you want publicly. Good luck.
I think Alex said his claim to be THE inventor of the mRNA tech was greatly exaggerated. I think Alex was correct on that score, and Malone didn't like hearing it. Is that "slagging" someone publically? It's free speech, it's just you don't like hearing it. And Malone siccing his little horde of worshippers on Alex, crying about being "bushwhacked" and likening himself to Socrates is cringeworthy. It suggests he believes Alex is right after all.
This is an absurd take. Several times per week Alex posts data and articles that I can share with friends and family. Actual numbers that are impossible to refute. They show that vaccines are ineffective at stopping spread, as are masks. His book is a great overview of the lunacy that we've been put through over the past two years. The more people that read it, the better off we will all be.
Malone offers nothing other than regurgitating what Alex, RFK Jr, and El Gato have posted weeks or even months before him. I've listened to his interviews. He rarely, if ever, gives attribution to these researchers. He passes off this research as his own. You're impressed by his resume and work that he did 35 years ago. Are you equally as impressed with "Dr." Anthony Fauci's resume? Which is much more impressive than Malone's?
Impossible to refute 🤣🤣🤣 are you serious? I am a medical professional who deals with stats on a daily basis-- I could spend an hour explaining how stats are manipulated or miscalculated on a daily basis. PLEASE
ROFL! You're such a busy "medical professional" that you spend your time trolling Alex's threads and posting misinformation. I hope no hospitals or doctors are relying on your "stats"! God help them.
Irrefutable in the sense that Alex uses data regarded as “true” by the mob. This serves to undermine the narrative driving the mob, and may have the added benefit of opening some eyes.
Who said anything about what Malone offers Joe? Alex did great work for the first year and a half but this thing has been over for months. Keep paying Alex if that information is useful to you but the sniffles virus is the common cold and the pandemic is over. It's time to make connections to bigger issues and take in the full ramifications of what has transpired the past year. Alex has much less to offer on that front than a dozen others I follow more worthy of $5.
Look at how he didn't even get the real story about Novak Djokovic-- he was tossed because he was deemed a threat to spread false information in the Country-- see my post above.
"On January 14, Immigration Minister Alex Hawke uses his ministerial powers to cancel Djokovic's visa on "health and good order grounds". Later that day, Djokovic's lawyers lodge an application at the Federal Circuit Court review the cancellation."
So not everything HE (Malone) says is right. Since you purport to be a Malone fact checker, please provide something Malone has said that is wrong (and has not since been corrected or evolved-Covid science is fluid), providing a citation.
Try again, you’ll have to do better. Try reading the entire article and not just the header, then listen to the entire interview for context. If this is your game, please don’t waste my time.
Couldn't agree more, we don't need a Holy Fauci representing us on this side, we make our own decisions on this. I read Alex for the articles like latest two to get real facts. I don't agree with him on all things but appreciate his and all others work. I stated before I find RFK JR. morally reprehensible but his book is excellent and well documented, Reading all the information out there that is documented not spewed and censored by MSM is as you say how we remain independent critical thinkers.
The fault of man is that he worships man, instead of following the truth. "The discerning heart seeks knowledge, but the mouth of a fool feeds on folly." Proverbs 15:14
Public noise? He falsely claimed that Robert Malone was not the inventor of the mRNA vaccine. Malone put up his credentials providing evidence for his assertion. Alex after the false accusation has been silent. Now that you know the facts what is your opinion?
whoa, Robert Malone was NOT the inventor of the mRNA vaccine. At least not one anyone is taking. He is one of the patent holders on the technology used in mRNA vaccines.
It's a stupid argument I know, but it's like saying the Wright brothers invented the Boeing 767.
I agree with you Barcode. I didn’t like what Alex said to Dr. Malone but Alex doesn’t and shouldn’t base what he says on what his readers do or don’t like. Somebut not all exceptions include lying guv authorities, lying politicians, murderous pharm companies, etc. If he starts defending those types I am gone, but I don’t think he will.
How many paid subscribers do you have, Alex? After all the money we've given you via subscriptions and the pamphlets and books we purchased, responding to our questions about your out-of-nowhere interview comments seems appropriate, no? (WHY did you choose that moment on national television to blindside all involved with those remarks about Dr. Malone?) After all, we are your customers and we’re simply asking you for the truth. That's what we're paying you for. Will you honor our simple request and provide it?
If not, we are left to come to our own conclusions. I would much rather you actually explain yourself, since that is (hopefully) the best way for us to arrive at the truth of the matter.
The longer you wait, the worse this becomes.
I gave you the benefit of the doubt at first (we all have our moments), but the more time that goes by, the more you have me rethinking things.
I used to have a lot of respect for you. Unfortunately I am now wondering if we were had by you this whole time.
Tell me I am wrong.
Like the cool kid who, when kicked out of the in crowd, uses the outsiders, only to refuse to be seen in public with them and quickly cast them aside when let back in…. That's how this appears. Again, correct us if we're wrong on this.
We get it that you're not a “conspiracy theorist.” We get it that you don't like Trump. We get it that you don't think the election was rigged. We get it that you're not a Dr. Malone fan. We get it that you DO NOT want to be considered one of THOSE people who identifies with any of these things.
But no one ever asked you, so why the constant need to remind us? People from all viewpoints and political ideologies came to you to dig into COVID truths that they didn't have the time to discover on their own. That was it. The fact that you continuously made sure we knew you weren't “one of those people” is odd. It has to be noted and not forgotten because it doesn't fit.
When asked about the Fox interview from The Daily Beast and by thousands of us, you chose to answer them and ignore us. If that doesn’t say something, I don’t know what does.
And you assumed we don't read The Daily Beast. That's another clue, no? You think we're very, very different from you and your actual friends, is that it?
Again, if I have it wrong, correct me.
Have you been using us all along? When you came to us, pleading with us to buy your pamphlets to teach Elizabeth Warren a lesson…were you just laughing in the background as you raked in the dough?
Tell me I am wrong.
Now that your book is out and has sold well, are you anxious for COVID to be over, to remind the world “I'm not one of THEM,” to move on and disassociate from everyone here? After all, you didn't ask for this arrangement in which you have a community of followers who think so differently from you in many areas. Twitter kicked you here. And left you with no choice but to hang with the out-crowd.
Who made you pretty rich in the meantime.
I hope I'm wrong in all this, Alex, but your refusal at all to acknowledge our questions leaves us no choice but to come to our own conclusions about your opinion of us and about the man who gladly takes our money and then ignores us.
If nothing else, your deafening silence to our legit questions shows a lack of respect for us, your paying customers. Again, if I'm wrong and there is something else going on, TELL US. Otherwise, what are we to think?
Like the husband who comes home at 1 a.m. smelling of another woman's perfume and won't answer to where he's been, with no explanation given in the face of such damning evidence, what other conclusion can be drawn?
You're clearly not stupid and your wife is a psychiatrist. So odds are you know exactly what you're doing, whatever that happens to be.
I hope we all learn what it is.
(If this unfortunate read on Alex is correct, anyone who would like to continue to comment with this great community without having to pay Alex, I was thinking we could have a parallel Substack where we just use the comment section of it. I know many of us have benefited a lot from other subscribers’ comments. I'll give Alex a chance to respond first, and if it's crickets or a slap in the face, I'll reply to this post with the parallel Substack details. Free of course.)
I don't want him to think in lockstep with everyone. Not at all. But he did something that left many of us wondering. It was odd. I'm giving him a chance to respond and if he doesn't, then obviously I and anyone else can leave. Just giving him one last chance to answer the thousands of questions.
I'd prefer that he just carry on with his reporting, and not waste his valuable time responding to the Karens' angry and irrational demands. He may or may not reply down the road, which will no doubt disappoint you that it's not on your rigid timeline. So while you're waiting, go complain about Starbucks' tea being too hot or people with more than 10 items in their carts who are in the express line at the grocery store. That should keep you busy for awhile.
Maybe he will. Not everything can happen on YOUR timeline. Only infants and narcissists believe they should get instant gratification when they demand something. You claim to be a "psychologist" so you should know that.
I'm merely noting that this has all been very strange. The interview. The lack of response. The Daily Beast article. The crickets. I've enjoyed reading Alex for the truth he provides and this is no different. I'm curious to know what that was all about and why he won't say. If he chooses not to say, that's his perogative. We'll generally all fighting for the same thing, right?
I'm a researcher. If you're a co author or co inventor, how shall I put it, you don't throw your ass around claiming to be THE author, THE inventor. That Malone had been doing that was going to be called out anyway by the vax and pharma bullies to the discredit of those of us who cite Malone's statements and claims. Alex pulled the rip cord before big pharma could.
Agreed that is exactly what I am doing. Not a good start with his post today. His first line is wrong. Read the deportation order. Read what Hawke et al said.
I like what Alex has to say in this substack. I DON'T like that he f'd up on national TV and wasted an opportunity to discuss censorship. I don't like that he cast shade on someone else trying to warn the world about the vaccines and in doing so compromised the credibility of both parties. He owes his paying subscribers an apology for a serious unforced error that harms all of us that are fighting the global move toward authoritarianism.
I don't have the slightest interest in how many paid subscribers Alex has (I am one of them). I am also totally uninterested in seeing every thread polluted with irrelevant commentary on the Malone/Berenson kerfuffle. Drop the drama and keep it to the topic.
If Alex refunds my subscription -- something I now requests that he do -- then I'll stop commenting. It doesn't cause me any stress to call out liars. It's just something I do.
You mean the incorrect statement of why Novak was booted from Australia? Yeah bodes well for all his "data" provision in the future. Blind, blind, blind
Yes, I’m beginning to think Alex is controlled opposition. I’m very close to canceling my subscription. I didn’t know that Alex did not think the election was rigged…maybe I’ll just cancel on THAT fact!
Yes, but he thinks the Big Pharma IVM copy cats are promising. Meanwhile, people denied IVM die and he really doesn’t care. Pretty abhorrent, actually.
Very well said. I’ve been checking my email to hopefully see a new substack from Alex that would explain what the heck is going on. Then received this one. Guessing he hopes to move on like nothing happened with no explanation…? I also felt like if I left this substack I would miss the comments and getting to chat with lots of like minded folks. I’ve gotten valuable help and information from many of you. I’m responding to your comment so I can stay in the loop. Alex owes us an explanation…period.
Why are you here? Just go. Or shut up. This conflict is between Berenson and Malone. They don't have to agree. They don't have to like each other. Berenson doesn't have to accept Malone's bona fides. Berenson doesn't have to have to think HCQ and ivermectin are effective against C19 disease. It has nothing to do with you. You are only furthering the conflict and discord...and we have much bigger problems.
If we cannot tolerate differing options, we are no different than the covidians.
You (and a few others) don't "get it," so I'll respond. Alex is a life-long liberal, so his principles (whatever they may be) do not align with the vast majority of people who oppose government over-reach, for which vaccine mandates and bans on alternative treatment, are the flavor of the day.
When Alex attacked Dr. Malone, he attacked the work being done by many of us here, most of whom also paid for a subscription. So, we got "conned" by Alex Berenson. Something I don't take lightly.
Alex Berenson is NOT A DOCTOR, he's a writer and entertainer. Dr. Malone IS A DOCTOR, with a long pedigree in the field of viruses and treatment (together with a plethora of other equally qualified doctors with whom Malone is affiliated). Not all of those affiliated with Malone agree with everything he says or does. Yet, they don't go around attacking each other but try to find areas in which they agree, and do so, against the common enemy.
The wanna-bes (of which Alex has identified himself as one) only serve to undermine the bigger battle. That is what Alex did, obviously because he felt so inferior to Malone on the program that was intended to discuss social media bans. So, no, not until Alex apologies for the damage he caused to OUR EFFORTS (with the apology to Malone being secondary) will he be "forgiven".
Not coordinated at all. I don't know Barcode. Wrote that comment in advance, waiting for a chance to post and finally had a chance. Nothing to see. Would appreciate a comment from Alex instead of sweeping it under the rug.
I speak the truth, and don't just "move on." When someone has been identified as controlled opposition. I call them out. I suspect Berenson will need to soon start deleting posts and censoring comments. That will be the height if irony.
That was my original analysis, which I wrote an article about, and I hope it's the case. But the longer he says nothing, the more I'm wondering if I was naive. Hope not!
I don't think that you (or we) are being naive. Time will tell. I do believe that his decision to address Dr. Malone in this way during the interview was horrid but I'm not holding my breath on him commenting about it or doing a mea culpa.
Malone is a bullshit artist. He did some original research on MRNA vaccines. His "work" on covid over the past year has consisted of reading RFK Jr, and Alex's posts and then regurgitating them almost verbatim to his readers. What has Malone told you in the past two years that you didn't hear from another prominent blogger first?
Don't agree. As one example, while I was familiar with studies showing people with Natural Immunity should not get the jab as it puts them at detrimental risk; no one is talking about it. In a recent interview with Dr. Malone, he highlighted those same studies. I don't see anyone else doing so.
This kind of sniping is so unproductive. I think many have (correctly) pointed this out to Alex. He's decided to weather the storm and just move on without further comment. I don't actually like that approach as it leaves a bad taste with the unneeded swipe at Dr. Malone. Worse, it leaves dangling the poor analogy about the "vax" to Ivermectin. This is far more grave IMHO. Ivermectin is proving beneficial at all stages of the ChiCom Virus infection: before, during and late. The latest study out of Brazil late last week shows its value again.
Malone clearly had some role in the development of the technology and that gives him some cred, I suppose. But his explanation for why he got the vax makes little sense. It sounds to me like until he was "discovered" by Bret Weinstein, he probably wasn't thinking that the community of skeptics would get much attention and didn't figure that being un-jabbed would top the list of bona fides for entrance into that community, so he came up with that story. Plus, he's a bit of a nut, and he's been very influenced by pushers of the "mass psychosis" narrative that may have an element of truth, but is a very non-productive distraction from the important work at hand. Blindsiding him on Fox, though, was bad form for Alex, but not a capital crime. Or maybe it was expected form for Alex, who's definitely got a bit of the narcissist provocateur in him. On the other hand, Alex has been a fairly consistent and reliable information source. Let it lie. Th great hope of the mainstream public health cult is an internecine war among skeptics.
Alex is the one who started the whole pissing match, and then refused to explain himself.
Malone doesn't need to justify his choices to you or anyone else. His credentials speak for themselves, and he has direct knowledge about mRNA technology that is useful in countering the wall of lies the establishment has been pushing for 2 years.
Wait a minute, you didn't know that Anthony Fauci was a totally and completely full of shit before Malone said he was? And did Malone provide any documentation proving that Fauci was full of shit? No, he just stated that he knew Anthony and alluded to how he lied in the past. Typical name dropper. Alex, RFK, El Gato all have receipts documenting that Fauci is a lying asshole. Don't need to take their word for it.
And he's done some clinical trials? He's brought drugs to market? He knows the FDA sucks and is full of shit? Wow, no one else on earth has done that! Only Doctor Malone knows the FDA sucks! Amazing. What fantastic information. Please tell me more oh wise and powerful inventor of MRNA technology.
What's that? Malone took the clot shot? And he took it AFTER he had natural immunity? All so he could "travel"? Hmmmmm.....Sounds like he's wildly naive, or doesn't actually think the clot shots are that much of a risk (they are). He's a bullshit artist who hasn't done original work in 30 years.
Joe, i am not defending Malone. He is not my superhero. But the fact that Alex attacks ivermectin really bothers me. It is not a matter of opinion. It is science.
Perhaps a better question for those "going to the mat for Malone" would be, "if Malone 'knew' Fauci was a fraud for '30 years', then why the HOLY HELL did Melone WAIT til now to 'report' it???". Malone can go on podcast after podcast saying "I've know Fauci was corrupt for 30 years", yet NO ONE questions Malone's integrity?? Now that's a question I'd love to hear the answer to!!
Lol. Malone is a total bullshit artist. Sorry there isn't a better word for it. Perhaps "con man"? He co-authored a few papers 30 years ago. None of his "reporting" on covid is even close to original. He reads other people's blog posts and then regurgitates their findings as his own. And then doesn't give attribution. Total piece of shit move.
His entire schtick is centered on the fact that he is the "inventor of MRNA technology". That's the same appeal to authority that Fauci has been using for two years.
My favorite part of the Rogan interview was when Malone claimed to be influential in the Zika response. Rogan then asked what year was that. And Malone was total deer in headlights. Couldn't even give a ballpark answer. Stuttered, stammered and changed the subject.
Bullshit artist living on 30 year old accomplishments and searching for relevance.
Quit clogging up this thread with your 10k word posts, that I didn’t read and won’t. I didn’t pay a subscription to read your thoughts. You write more than the author, Alex. Weird
Then don't read them. How about not making the comments section here read like the cesspool that Twitter is? Many of us came here to get away from that.
This conflict is between Berenson and Malone. They don't have to agree. They don't have to like each other. Berenson doesn't have to accept Malone's bona fides. Berenson doesn't have to have to think HCQ and ivermectin are effective against C19 disease. It has nothing to do with us.
If we cannot tolerate differing options, we are no different than the covidians.
I agree with most of your points, cmpalmer75, especially the last one, which is why Berenson’s unwarranted blindsiding of Malone was such a detrimental maneuver, and now MSM outlets are having a feeding frenzy on fresh anti-vaxxer meat.
Worse, it’s led to division amongst people in this thread when we’re ultimately all fighting for the same cause—saving lives and stopping tyranny.
The only way to heal this division is for Alex to address these concerns, and his failure to do so is simply stoking the coals.
Most worrisome in my eyes is his handwaving dismissal of ivermectin, the slandering of which has been a key BigPharma strategy and one that has cost countless lives. That tarnishes Alex’s credibility and makes him complicit in further harm caused by this lethal disinformation campaign.
Calling for Alex to address this matter is in his best interest as well as ours, but I won’t belabor the point if he chooses denial instead of disinfecting sunlight.
The problem is not the difference of opinion - it is HOW and WHERE that difference of opinion was surfaced.
Both men can share their opinions - AND back it up with data to support it. Then we can make informed decisions ourselves. That's the way it should work - but has NOT for the last 2+ years.
I think what is causeing the upset is that we believed that Alex shared those values, and this has seemed to expose that is not totally the case. It does not mean that everything he has done/said is not true or irrelevant - we just expected more of him.
We need both of them to act this way - we are depending on both of them.
I'm not defending Berenson's behavior. I'm not defending his positions. I'm also not defending Malone. IMO, he could have and should have provided the receipts of his bona fides without the personal attacks on Berenson. I understand his anger, but he should have taken a beat and calmed down before he released his article.
I don't believe Berenson is suffering from "professional jealously" and I don't think he's "controlled opposition". He believes what he said. Whether he should have said what he said where and when he said it is another matter.
This moment is bigger and more important than Malone or Berenson or any of us. They don't have to agree. They don't have to like each other. They don't have to accept each other's authority or expertise. We need to move on. Now.
But hey, if Alex wants to continue his campaign of self-immolation, that’s his choice. I was just trying to help him climb out of the 6-foot hole he’s carved out for himself.
He can allow the wound to continue festering, or he can clean it out and put the matter to rest. His choice, his consequences.
Hear you and yes Alex as we all do have to live by the sword-words we use. If he believes there is no valid use of early treatment options like Ivermectin so be it. I know many who don't think it works. I KNOW it does having personal experience and friends and family who have too. Many of us know it works well if used wisely and early as does HCQ etc
Worse it is distracting from the importance of this very article. Instead of examining the apparent connection between the vaccinated and Omicron we are lost in a sea of debate over a horrid exchange on TV.
"The vaccine should be tested on politicians first. If they survive, the vaccine is safe. If they don't, then the country is safe." -- Monika Wiśniewska.
It looks like he won't, so I just cancelled my paying subscription. I waited over the weekend, hoping he would have some humility. He may be smart, but his arrogance is too much for me. What a shame.
Alex, you know all about the issues with PCR testing, so why do you (of all people) persist in propagating a narrative about "cases" which you know to be false? They are not cases! They are positive tests results - most of them false, nearly all of them meaningless. You know these things!!
Agreed, thank-you-- and he does but like most if you included that -- his story all tied up in a bow (think MSM) doesn't translate as well AND it doesn't attract readers. Please understand he is doing the job he did at NYTimes. I admire him for his stand on vaccines -- his kids etc., but I have never looked to him to provide "the data". You need to take him and Malone with a grain of salt. Look at where they come from- Alex MSM Times, Malone early guy in Vaccinology-- MIC, CIA etc. Do I believe everything that either says, writes--no, I use my (sharp breath in) cognitive skills to analyze.
The problem with too many people here on this blog is that you expect a saviour, a guy who can do it all with no personal baggage. Wake up --there is no one like this alive.
I think we’re on this blog because we appreciate Alex’ insight and common sense analysis of the data. He may not have the credentials that the expertocracy considers acceptable, but he is able to interpret and critique the evidence as well as anyone I have worked with in 40+ years of academic medicine. Neither he or Malone are saviors, but they have been able in their own way, to keep an honest debate open so people can decide for themselves. Considering what I see in other countries, we’re fortunate to still be able to have a mutually respectful dialogue
Understand where you are coming from, but must disagree. More "cases" will only be used to fuel more hysteria, more restrictions, and more injections. We turn the tied with one small step at a time and Alex isn't helping on this front.
Demonstrating that the vaccines have not prevented “infection” - as they were touted by every “expert PHE” - is important. They tried to shift the narrative to preventing hospitalization and deaths, but numerous video clips have them promoting the false claim that they stop the infection cold. Omicron clearly exposed this claim. Alex analysis is spot on IMO
I'm astounded at how many of my friends - very well educated and thoughtful people --- know SO LITTLE about EVERYTHING related to Covid19.
It is because (I believe) that they watch the MSM (national and local) - and think that these sources are telling them the facts.
When I start explaining things like how the virus works, how it kills people (well not the virus but the body's attack on itself after the virus) - and how drugs and vitamin/mineral supplements help prevent infection and/or serious disease - they are ASTOUNDED - and cannot understand WHY they have not heard that before (yes some are skeptical because they are brainwashed). Then I go on to PCR tests and the flaws that they have is used incorrectly... again the same response.
I’m unvaccinated and my wife has been jabbed 3 times (because of where she works) she tested positive and was sick for 10 days and is still recovering…me I’m just fine
Great question she’s on the fence…she’s not sure what to think…she works at Dartmouth and all her friends are telling her it’s a breakthrough case…I’m not great at teaching her about the truth as I tend to rant!..I did show her a video about woman who all had issues with there cycles and where shut down from voicing their opinions and it was eye opening for her as she had some issues with her cycle
Well another approach would be to when you say it say it sarcastically so people can understand the idiocy of the term! Like I do breakthrough case aka vaccine failure!
Fuck the Australian government. This is what you get when you have a government that has adopted a radical approach to a problem that has been proven to be wildly counterproductive. When their Nazi like tactics are exposed as ineffective, they can't admit that they were Nazi's for nothing. So they double down.
Alex, your "drive-by" hit pn Malone and IVM seemed out of context and gratuitous. Are you going to elaborate on those comments? Don't your paid subscribers deserve an explanation?
I came to this post to ask the exact same thing. What in the world? Also, Malone just posted on Substack about the incident and shows patent info proving he invented RNA tech. Alex always does his research but may have failed miserably on this. I'm at a loss for words...
Looks like Alex’s taking an offense: “he called me a controlled opposition” had some basis. Alex’s silence in response to our requests raises some flags … which makes his IVM stance make sense too … 🙁
Malone was not "The" inventor of MRNA tech. Sorry, he co-authored several early papers on the subject.
He also took the clot shot AFTER catching COVID and recovering. He also steals the work of other substack and twitter contributors without attribution and passes it off as his own independent research.
Sorry, "Co-inventor". Lol. Everyone on the web repeats things without always citing sources. For example you just mentioned info about Malone and I could say your acting as if you went through all material and discovered this but you read it elsewhere. Where are your citations??
Yeah I'm a paid subscriber too. Alex usually doesn't shy away from things. I predict he is writing something lengthy on this. But honestly, he should have done that first rather than do what he did on FoxNews. He knows there would not be time for any lengthy debate, so why not debate elsewhere or via substack?
I was advised, long ago, to "pick your battles." I have found it to be very good advice. So my question is - why did Alex pick that battle with Dr Malone? Alex is a really smart guy. Anyone have any thoughts?
Yes I asked because I'd really like to understand. I don't think the "Pfizer shill" option is likely. So our options are: "he was picking a fight deliberately", or - "he had no idea he was picking a fight." For the latter to be true, his EQ has to be pretty low. But maybe that is actually true. All I can see is the public persona. Thanks for your thoughts.
Yes that makes sense. There's a big difference between writing and on-air performance.
If I wanted to burn anyone at the stake, I wouldn't have asked you why. So you can't be talking about me here. :)
That said - given the strength of the "pro mandate pro lockdown pro mask" power center, I wouldn't have chosen to spend energy "distancing myself" from one of the very few potential allies in the fight to return life back to something approaching common sense and rationality. Instead, I'd focus on common ground. "Big Tent", etc. Am I super-wise? Hah. I don't think so.
But Churchill once said: "If Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a favorable reference to the devil in the House of Commons."
Notice that Churchill didn't try to "distance himself" - from the Devil, for perceived flaws in the Devil's character. That's where we are at, I think. I love the Churchill quotes. Because we are definitely being attacked by "Hitler" at this point in history. And we don't have a lot of allies in this fight.
I’m not happy about this comment thread. I don’t see the relevance of hating on someone just because you disagree with them. That’s what the left does. All this cancel talk because of one remark Alex made is ridiculous. If people want to live in an echo chamber then read the New York Times and the Washington Post, et al. Don’t subscribe to substack if you want just one point of view. There’s room for many voices without canceling people.
Cut the shit people, this is a post about Australia! Don't you idiots see what you are doing? Post this shit someplace else... you're ruining substack. Keep the commentary relevant PLEASE!!!!! Alex already has another post about the Malone thing... go post your opinions there, that's what it's for. Keep going Alex, don't get derailed by this bullshit, we still love you man.
(Yes, yes, I know - he was deported because he was a threat to Australia's Soviet-style repression of non-State-permitted speech, not because he was unvaxxed. But that doesn't make as good a meme...)
Just saw your notorious Fox interview. I don't think you could have killed your credibility any quicker even if you immersed it in gasoline and set it on fire.
Regarding Ivermectin, here is Dr. Kory - one of the world's most widely published and accomplished doctors - telling the senate early on in near frustrated tears that if you take it early on "you will not get sick":
https://youtu.be/k8RyV3VEDKI?t=1820
Heed these words: "Wise men talk because they have something to say. Fools, because they have to say something."
And
"Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people."
The virus is just a virus. Fear is the disease.
Alex, is what clear to me now with what you did on Fox the other night is that we only ever had a super slim chance to win this fight, and that the lion's share of our morality, decency, bravery, shrewdness, and civility have only ever been skin deep... We were never more than one obvious-lying-media-scaremongering-blitz away from throwing all of those window dressing virtues right through the nearest window.
Here is the truth about the flim-flam-demic:
https://tritorch.com/flim-flam-demic
Why are you here? Just go. Or shut up. This conflict is between Berenson and Malone. They don't have to agree. They don't have to like each other. Berenson doesn't have to accept Malone's bona fides. Berenson doesn't have to have to think HCQ and ivermectin are effective against C19 disease. It has nothing to do with you. You are only furthering the conflict and discord...and we have much bigger problems.
If we cannot tolerate differing options, we are no different than the covidians.
If we fall into petty disputes, we will fail.
If that conflict is between them, perhaps Berenson should keep it between them and not involve the rest of us.
he's a journalist for pete's sake. We are allowed to debate ideas on the side of the mandate fence. Discourse and discussion makes us stronger.
This wasn't a debate. This was slander and unbacked opinion. He has said he will be coming up with something to justify his "opinion" on Ivermectin.
The topic of the show was censorship - which should have been more important to Berenson (especially being a journalist) than attacking Malone and Ivermectin. But it wasn't. The reason must be pretty monumental.
It wasn't slander. Because it is an exaggeration for Socrates to claim to be THE inventor of mRNA technology. Other people worked on it with him. See list of names on patents.
I've heard Malone in many interviews. I never heard him claim to be THE inventor of mRNA technology, only a part of it.
He didn't debate. Notice how silent he is now that Robert Malone gave his credentials.
Lets debate this......
Alex, I wonder if there will be more than "usual" number of heart attack deaths shoveling snow this winter due to the wide uptake of the Covid " Vaccines" , ie, Clot Shots.
The purpose of a journalist is not to debate facts but verify and present them. Commentators debate and opine. Attacking people is what the MSM calls journalism.
I think more than anyone it is Robert Malone driving the continuation of this, with two Substack posts on it. Not a further word from Alex.
No further word from Alex is not a good thing. Robert Malone put his credentials online. No response from Alex means he's wrong but won't admit it.
Read it but Dr. Malone briefly stated his case. He spent more time focusing on the matter of the kit provided in India that is making "waves." Ivermectin continues to make big waves because of its global success versus the ChiCom virus. Not sure what Alex plans to do to further claim Ivermectin is analogous to vax failure. That makes no damn sense to me as I've seen some of the global studies and know about its application domestically via the FLCCC website.
I have colleagues in Inda. Do you know what these kits are called? I'd like to ask about them.
This may help:
https://www.nooows.com/2022/01/17/the-protocol-that-crushed-the-pandemic-in-uttar-pradesh/?amp=1
DuckDuckGo Uttar Pradesh and covid
And how exactly did he involve you?
He involved others, including you and me, by broadcasting his vicious snark here and on TV. If you are NOT involved, why comment as you have?
I watched the clip. There was no snark. Alex made a point, Malone rebutted it and then went on to write two lengthy substacks mostly proving Alex Berenson right.
Go back and look at the earlier post by Berenson in this right here substack of Berenson's with his snark about Malone to the news. I am not discussing some clip.
The garbage came from Alex. Falsely accusing Dr. Malone of line regarding mRNA vaccines. Alex should educate himself.
It was on the Berenson substack that he falsely accused Dr. Malone. I don't give a hoot whether you like my comments or not.
Perhaps he should. So what?
My comment was directed to that commenter who was saying this kerfuffle is between the two. IMO Berenson chose to involve us by posting his nasty reply to some news place about Dr. Malone and Ivermectin. It's Berenson's substack, and he can surely post what he wants. But comments are to be expected when he does.
You're under the impression that agreement is our aim. No. Following the evidence is. Not misrepresenting the facts as Alex clearly did on this one.
To me it's clear that Alex had a breakdown of some type. I think being at the frontlines of this Plandemic realty takes its toll and is extremely stressful. I just wish he had breathed deep and thought more before he made such a suicidal career move. Yes, it was petty and was a major set-back for our team.
Lawsuits are enormously taxing especially when also trying to do your regular work. I doubt it's a breakdown.
If we tell people with whom we have a disagreement to shut up or go away, we become the enemy we are fighting as well. The vaccine mandate people are doing their best to censor and stifle free speech. We never should.
Sounds like you have a crush on Alex. Ask him out already....
All jokes aside, there is plently of evidence showing these meds work very well. Not sure why Alex went off the rails on facts with this. Very out of character
What ? Berenson doesn’t have to think ivermectin is effective against C19?
So, Alex doesn't need to think Gravity exists.
But Yes. Gravity exists (period).
Exactly. But when stating it isn't effective, it is imperative to say it is an opinion. Because that's all it is.
Probably because he paid a subscription fee, jackass
Exactly - I used to pay a subscription fee, but I cancelled it and put it towards a Malone sub.
Bona fides, eh? You sound like a spook, dude.
Hypocritical much?
Pretty intense dude :) This comment section is beginning to look like what we despise so much on the commiecRAT side of things lol. Let Alex do his "data is gonna data" thing. It IS why we follow him or at least I thought. Unless, of course you no longer believe his data reveals are real now because of his personal opinions on other areas of life-topics. God knows I have my own opinions and KNOW for a fact many do not agree with me on everything I say and do.
I'd feel a lot better if he apologized and realized HOW he disagreed and WHEN and WHERE hurt our cause. His tone and all. And was an over-statement compared to all the good Dr. Malone was contributing. I don't consider saying nothing enough, and I see he lost lots of subscribers which is too bad. I'll hang around a while and see what he does. Nobody expects to censor Alex's opinions on ivermectin or anything else but Malone's position matches RJK Jr. pretty close and he needs to learn how to have a debate with people basically on his side. But I'll wait a while and see what he does.
A one time answer would be good, but I think no matter what he says many here will not accept it and move on which is unfortunate. Just sayin
It IS too bad and he might have kept them if he'd done it. I will likely stay for the same reason I defended Rand Paul all along. People don't have to agree on all of it. BUT that is not how he should have handled that. Be nice if he said so. I hope he hasn't set us way back.
Sort of agree. If we are following Alex for his data-- why did he not read the deportation order and give the REAL REASON Novak was booted from Australia -- see my post above. IF all Alex has left is his "data' then he better frigging get it right-- right?
Personally, I still focus my attention on not what Alex feels politically-personally about things. If he applied his biases within his data now that is a horse of a different color and I would be the first to cancel my subscription. At this point I feel he is still in his lane on data. Just sayin...
Sorry? writing a false statement is "political-personal" It is a fact that Novak wasn't tossed from Australia because he was unvaxxed. Fact. I am starting to feel that some posters here are just stats sluts. As someone who did forecasting and stats for years and then as a medical professional did even more-- stats lie ALL the time. It depends on what you want them to say. Stop treating them like gold.
The only true stat is deaths--period.
If he was vaxxxed he'd be allowed to play. Who are you fooling?
no question!
wow....point taken
Carol...looking for the source of your statements on "real reason" on Novak...do you have it?
I'm from Melbourne. The 'real reason' was he was deemed a threat to public health because he 'may' have driven dissent amongst the population, encouraged an anti vax movement, and undermined the government's vax policy.
Given Australia is 93% double dosed, this can really only mean the boosters are about to be mandated. It is terrifying.
I would submit that that is the "stated reason", the real reason being that he is unvaxxed. The stated reason is scarier though, imo. No dissident opinions are to be tolerated in Australia apparently.
If true and not saying you are not telling your truth on this being from down under this HAS TO BE MADE more KNOWN!
I thought in the hearing Australian officials said it was because Novak might cause Aussies to doubt the health authorities.
Sounding more and more like that is in fact what happened. I know some here are ahead on this knowing as they see it so its GOOD its explained and shared more and more. I would THINK as it gains more traction some of the bigger names of conservative media will touch on it. At least I would like to think there are a few yet who have the balls!
There's excellent information in Glenn Greewald's Substack article from yesterday (January 16, 2022) about why Australia deported Djokovic.
Glenn Greenwald (greenwald@substack.com)
Australia's deportation of the unvaccinated tennis star Novak Djokovic creates serious dangers. Also: we produced shows this week on 1/6 and the new sedition charges.
Yep, that is the reason they gave. Unreal.
Your post about Novak is nonsense -- just like all your other ones.
Shed some light on that Beth if you have information which says otherwise please?
I was referring to the fake "doctor," Carol Jones. Read Alex's post - he explains it well.
Which of Alex's posts are you referring to here?
I did read it, but its Alex's opinion is all?
solid point!
I wish Alex followed his slogan on IVM instead of making dismissive comments. Uttar Pradesh, Argentina, Mexico etc etc counter his baseless comments on IVM with data.
Come to think of it, thinking about IVM example makes his baseless attack on Malone seem as a pattern.
Alex should follow the data regarding the mRNA vaccine which Robert Malone discovered and ivermectin
Its not like Malone "alone" did this...he and his team worked on the development of the tech and yes Malone's name is on the patents we have all seen. This is not like Al Gore who invented the internet *wink*
It's a mistake to cultivate Covid prophets whose views are sacred and demand allegiance, whether they're Fauci, or whether they're Malone. It's also a mistake to put your faith in silver-bullet solutions to SARS-2. Respiratory coronaviruses are extremely pervasive, and the credentials of whatever expert aside, antivirals aren't going to be able to solve them, in the way people like Kory seem to assert.
Have you seen the CDC survival rate numbers for SARS-CoV-2? They are so high they even combine the death rate numbers with co-morbidity causes (eg. COVID+pneumonia) to goose them higher because the survival rate for almost everyone is practically 100%.
I’ll say it again:
The virus is just a virus.
Fear is the disease.
then i'd imagine ivermectin, as a cure to a virus with a "practically 100%" survival rate, would be a distant secondary consideration for you.
Ivermectin is vouched for by a large number of doctors to be both safe and extraordinarily effective in treating COVID-19. It is also very cheap.
The entire edifice of authority from the media, to the pharmaceutical industry, to the government,, to the NGOs, wants to kill and bury Ivermectin as deep as possible as a treatment.
Follow the money.
http://tritorch.com/degradation/%21IvermectinHCQWereOnWHOsEssentialMedicinesListForDecades.png
In early January 2020, just as the plandemic was getting underway, France inexplicably banned HCQ labeling it as a poisonous substance. Up until that day, it had been as easy to get as tylenol is in America – over the counter.
If there is a treatment for a disease the FDA cannot grant an EUA for a competing treatment, in covid’s case, the vaccine. Put on your detective shoes and think critically about this for a minute.
Watch the following please:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs-DBOFWCpc&feature=emb_title
And Biden would be sitting on a mountain as high as Everest of unused vials ! All paid for by taxpayer money. I wonder how many people have gotten expired shots. Is that why they die ? Or is it the PEG - just saw an article about 1.4 Dioxane, a side product of PEG. You want that under your skin? Of course, the needle worhsipers will. As for me, I will rather take my dog's trusted medicine. As you say, they can only use the shots as long as there is no treatment, and I think that is why no treatment has been approved. They must first finish that crap.
I’m an ICU RN. I worked SARS, and I volunteered in Sierra Leone. Nothing in my past experience prepared me for the hysteria and utter helplessness I witnessed at my hospital in Jan 2020. It was as though we had completely lost our critical thinking skills. We used HC for SARS. Using it for C19 seemed a logical choice and many MDs at the large teaching hospital where I work prescribed it, initially. Within weeks, this treatment was forbidden by Admin & our Marketing team. We were given the lame excuse that there wasn’t enough “supply” and it needed to be preserved for Rheumatoid Arthritis patients, etc. A few MDs protested but they soon stopped. Pre-“pandemic “, we used Ivermectin to treat pneumonia and also for types of leukemia. It has anti-viral and anti-bacterial properties. It’s also an anti-inflammatory. The aspect of C19 that is deadly is the pulmonary phase, which triggers a massive inflammatory response. This is why Ivermectin IS a powerful & effective drug for C19 and other lung infections. This notion that Ivermectin is a veterinary medicine is mystifying. Most of the drugs we use have both human and veterinary applications. The active ingredients are the same, the delivery is different, to account for different digestive systems.
It’s incredible how divided we’ve become over C19. One way or another, it’s killing us.
You are aware that if you die “with” covid, (False positives count also) Not even “from” Covid, covid goes on your death certificate? That brings those ACTUAL death stats down even lower, no?
Agreed. Though I think the broader point is that for the vulnerable population, ivermectin may be a non threatening intervention, with the likelihood of an upside.
The thing is, what reason is there not to try it given the volume of positive reports? It may or may not help, but it is extremely safe, less dangerous than aspirin or Tylenol, so what is the harm in trying? I don’t see anyone saying not to take aspirin or Tylenol when you have Covid because of the risk, so the vociferous resistance from medical authorities and the corporate media is extremely suspicious.
I think it is a combination. The link I posted higher stipulates that the virus is real, it is not new, but it is benign. Ivermectin is an antiparasitic med. I think it helps against the virus. But the main thing seems to have been the enormous amount of polution, according to the author, and particles entered peoples bodies with the virus and poisoned them. I remember from the beginning how many different symptoms occured, including blue fingers and toes etc. So I think this might be on to something.
eugyppius - When all the "Very Smart People" are rejecting early home treatments and treatment is only offered once hospitalized, those of us with high BS meters are put on alert. When doctors actively treating patients (like Kory) find something they think helps, well that beats the CDC's no treatment. When big pharma then comes out with a couple pills for early treatment and are touted by the three-letter government agencies before trials are complete, it only makes us more skeptical. I understand the difference between a cure and a treatment. Ivermectin and HCQ are not cures, but if they discourage viral replication, even a small amount, it can't hurt. I will try anything at this point to keep my elderly relatives out of the hospital where they go to die.
Totally agree. The "traditional" U.S. healthcare system is a total disgrace and a disaster. I have seen it first-hand.
Most dogmatic general practice doctors are refusing to administer early treatment to symptomatic patients and just advice Tylenol. If the patient's health worsens (and they are unable to breath), they are sent to the ER and get subsequently shoved into the hospital (annihilation) system. Once there, each patient becomes a money-making machine for the hospital and a lonely prisoner, since they are not allowed visits and they are at the mercy of a very corrupt system.
To treat Covid, U.S. hospitals are mostly using Remdisivir, a drug that has been proven to cause kidney and liver failure. It was used in the Ebola trials and promptly removed, because it was killing more people than it was saving.
Hospitals prescribing Remdisivir receive a 20% bonus (from CMS - Medicare/Madicaid) and are legally protected if a patient dies from the side effects. There is no informed consent provided to the patient.
Doctors/nurses in the hospital system are being either complicit or ignorant, both of these unacceptable. It would seem that they have forgotten their pledge to “do no harm”, and so does the hospital administration, prioritizing their income and Pharma-driven incentives over the quality of the care.
This is why so many people are desperate to get early Covid treatments. Who would want to be shoved inside the corrupt, and potentially deadly hospital system? I rather try Ivermectin, HCQ or anything else available before putting my body at the mercy of these morons. : )
Hello Eugyppius,
I really enjoy your Substack newsletter.
From my perspective, Dr. Malone is not viewed as a “prophet”. He is a well-respected scientist with significant experience in the field of vaccination and who is trying to make a good difference in this world by remaining as balanced and ethical as possible. In his Substack newsletter, he provides the patent history of MRNA technology, and his name is there:
https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/p/bushwhacked-by-alex-berenson-on-fox
He also provides information about Ivermectin studies. Most people do not think that this is “a silver bullet” but one of the many tools available.
BTW - the NIH actually includes Ivermectin as a possible Covid treatment (please scroll down, #4 in the table):
https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/tables/antiviral-characteristics/
On the other hand, Berenson HAS NOT PROVIDED yet any DATA whatsoever to back up his claims/accusations against Dr. Malone.
His attack was totally out of context, irrational, illogical, unprofessional and frankly, a bit nuts. He has now alienated his subscribers and lost professional credibility. He revealed himself as an immature human being, who lacks wisdom, self-awareness and integrity.
Malone's provided a list of patents he shares with a number of other people. They make his claim to be THE inventor of mRNA tech an exaggeration. Maybe the co inventors beefed to Alex about Malone's claim. But Malone's reaction to being called out by Alex suggests a nerve was hit.
Berenson has not yet provided any DATA to back up his public accusation against Dr. Malone. The proof is in the data, not in empty words.
If you know anything about grad school, you probably know that usually papers involve a collaboration with other people (advisors, peers, etc). Even if ONE of them had the first idea on the topic. To my knowledge, the Salk institute has never disputed that mRNA technology was Malone's idea.
I have a patent that I share with two other people. When I talk about it, I say, "I have a patent." I don't say, "I have a patent that I share with two other people." I have a patent. Period. That's not a lie. It is the truth.
I haven't heard anybody say that Ivermectin and HCQ are silver bullets. What I've heard, over and over again, is that if you use them very early in the illness, in combination with Zinc and against a background of strong Vit D levels, you are far less likely to end up in the hospital. That position is strongly supported now by many studies as well as the testimony of physicians and patients. It's certainly good enough for me. I wonder whether, if Alex or his wife (or you) get Covid, you will prefer to sit back and wait until your lips turn blue rather than try what so many have said helps. Even if it only reduced your risk of hospitalization by 20 percent, it would certainly be better than doing nothing, and it reduces the risk by way more than that.
For the life of me I cannot believe we're still having this same stupid argument.
Really. I totally agree. Would do anything to avoid stepping into the death traps at the hospitals!
Totally agree. Would try anything. Well they tried Viagra and that seemed to help too. Better than wait till you get so sick you must go to hospital, which is full of sickness and many have resistant bacteria.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/our-species-genetically-modified-witnessing-humanity-march-toward-extinction-viruses-friends-not-foes/5763670
This is another vision on things, and it explains a lot. I am not completely done but I think it is worth reading
What's that got to do with Robert Malone who clearly invented mRNA vaccines and has good evidence for ivermectin? What does that have to do with Alex's false accusations?
We are all humbling stumbling humans. None of us is always right, and even a broken clock is right twice a day. So we all have to sift through the grub to find the grain of gold. Nevertheless there is more gold on Substack than in the NYT LOL
So true. Humility is truly underrated. It's less about not being a jerk, and more about not being clueless and bitter.
My 2 best friends and everyone at church, including the clergy, went right along. Luckily I had a few more distant friends, who like me, did not. At least we have a small group of true blood left LOL. No guru for me. Never tolerated anyone telling me what to do. That is probably what set me off in this whole mess. Bumbling ? Bees ? Soon... honey is good medicine you know. It might help just as good ! And it is pure - gold !
It doesn't make sense to overplay ivermectin - it seems to help in most cases, and with a very safe profile it makes sense for most people to at least try it instead of taking aspirin and waiting for their lips to turn blue. But ivermectin is not a perfect cure where people don't even get sick. At least not with current strains.
Edit: For the people who keep asking who is overplaying ivermectin, read the original comment from tritorch.
If you have spent any time listening to the Doctors who have been successful with early intervention treatment of Covid 19, they are CLEAR to say that there is NO one drug that will treat this virus. It requires a combination of a number of drugs and vitamins, minerals - used in concert - to keep SARS-Cov2 from becoming deadly. That is why the regimins include HCQ, Ivermectin, Zinc, Vitamins D & C - with other things.
BUT - HCQ and Ivermectin are two KEY components in that treatment regimine. They DO work in this regimine.
Totally agree JD. The FLCCC protocols are a combination of drugs and over the counter vitamins, minerals etc working together to assist your immune system to get well. Reducing the viral load it important. Nasal and throat sprays help reduce the viral load since the virus is airborne.
HOSPITALS use combinations of drugs the same way: to stop viral replication, stop cytokine storm, and stop blood clotting. DUH. You are right.
This was observed at least as far back as May 2021.
https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/The-Drug-that-Cracked-Covid-by-Michael-Capuzzo.pdf
I took issue with that Kory quote from late 2020. If we're going to start debating IVM, it shouldn't be a strawman version of the perfect cure. It should be within the context you laid out.
So your 1st sentence in quotes is from Kory? I have to admit - I'm not sure I understand the quote (not much context) - or your whole 1st paragraph. Help me.
I do know that Kory and some of the other doctors believe that taking IVM as a preventative is a good strategy. I believe there was one study where one group of several hundred medical personnel took IVM and the control group of several hundred did not... I believe that none (or very few) of the IVM group caught covid while 50% or so of the contol did. That was a pretty stark result.
I procured a supply of IVM in the middle of 2020 (it was difficult to do so), as a standby in case I caught covid - because at that point the treatment was - "go home, take tylenol and come back when you can't breate and your lips are turning blue". Since then I've been taking all the other stuff that the FLCCC folks have listed on their preventative protocol... I chose not to take the IVM prophylactically to save it for when/if I got sick.
I'm not an IVM nut - but I DO believe that these doctors around the country who have - out of desperation and necessity worked with off-label meds to find something that keeps their patients out of the hospital and ICU - have found something that is effective. And I'm going to follow what they suggest.
Having listened to their explanations of the reason each drug/vitamin/compound helps deter the advance of the covid infection - it makes sense and can do no harm. So I cannot see why I should not do that.
That's exactly what I did too. Just a couple months ago, I as 67 yr old got chance to try out Ivermectin, first on more serious Delta infection at the end of November, then on (far milder-shorter) Omicrummy (but which heeds neither prior vax nor prior naturally acquired immunity to earlier strains) just 5 weeks later. Without cloning oneself in these situations, it's always going to be difficult to know for sure how much the Ivermectin helped in recovery but it certainly didn't hurt! I was taking other FLCCC-recommended vitamins as well and also ended up getting the Regeneron monoclonal antibody fusion (which seemed to work although I waited a week too long). Reportedly Regeneron doesn't work on Omicron (although a different monoclonal antibody might work but that one is in such short supply as to be non-existent). If Fauci Ilk had not been so hell-bent on their "one-size-fits-all" mass vaccination agenda as the sole solution, medical authorities would have discovered and provided a number of effective therapeutic treatments. Instead they allowed thousands to die to further their goal as "ends justify the means."
The original comment from tritorch quoted Kory - 'Telling the senate early on in near frustrated tears that if you take it early on "you will not get sick"'
I'm a big fan of Kory, but at this point in time, claiming you won't get sick is a strawman. If Berenson is opening the debate on ivermectin, let's debate its value within the context you mentioned (multi-drug, multi-phase), not as a perfect stand-alone cure where you won't get sick. The evidence is good that ivermectin is safe and effective, based on the original understanding of what safe and effective means.
I took IVM when I caught covid and my illness was very mild. I don't know if that was because of the ivm or because omicron is mild. My point was that claiming you won't even get sick is unnecessary and shouldn't be available to detractors.
Exactly. Well said.
"But ivermectin is not a perfect cure where people don't even get sick." Why would one need a cure if one is not sick? (Though in this report we hear it may be otherwise.)
As for current strains, the early investigation into Ivermectin showed it was broadly antiviral, not just anti-covid A&B. So, absent proof it is ineffective against current Covid strains, unless I missed that info (please if you have it share the link), it would seem potentially effective if one can get it. Certainly more effective than taking yet another jab that was geared to A&B strains.
And now the FDA/CDC is doing a study of Ivermectin. I have NO faith in how they conduct it, but find that interesting. There are hundreds of studies on the effectiveness of Ivermectin and HCQ, all done, of course, before the perpetrators of the jab and fear worked to dismiss them.
Covid is actually a progression of diseases. Competent docs aren't just pill pushers but treat symptoms as they present. Some docs are more competent than others. For every doc that gets it right there are a couple others who screw things up. There should be a whole lot of malpractice suits, but they've spread the culpability so broadly no one is likely to be blamed. The only rational result will be total overhaul of medical practice and us supporting industries.
One of the most integral pieces of the disastrous response has been the legal liability waivers only for CDC recommended treatment such as remdesevir and ventilators. And then for doctors that venture off the reservation into the actual practice of medicine, the threat of malpractice looms. This is why the majority of doctors won't touch ivermectin or HCQ.
No. Doctors are having their licenses taken away if they do not follow the narrative. It is clear CDC does not endorse Ivermectin as it is generic and no money in it. There is a clear push to get the jabs out as those make money. Anyone standing in the way of Pfizer gets their medical license removed. Just check out what they did to Malone's doctor in Maine. A travesty!
exactly. no risk if you follow the protocol, even if it kills people. Stick your neck out and do the right thing and risk losing your license.
Collapse would be a bad thing for many. We can reconstruct without too much destruction if done right.
I had to bypass my own doctor and go well out of my way to obtain an IVM prescription. I intend to use it ONLY should I catch the Chinese virus.
But I'll tell ya, I was surprised when I looked at the bottle of IVM and saw a sticker that says "DANGEROUS DRUGS" stuck to the bottle. Mind you, I got the IVM from a willing doctor and a willing pharmacist, so it's not like they wanted to dissuade me from using it.
Still, I've *never* gotten a prescription that had a "DANGEROUS DRUGS" sticker attached. So for all IVM's apparent benefits, it's not like throwing back a daily multivitamin or whatever.
crazy...I have some in stock too which I ordered, but has no mention of dangerous. Interesting since it has one of the strongest safety profiles in Pharmacopeia
Oh, and this too - the US government itself requires incoming refugees to take IVM. Incoming refugees, who are likely undernourished if not malnourished, and who may not even be infected with anything IVM treats, THEY are required to take it. That's how "dangerous" it is.
And, even the WHO calls it an "essential drug" or some such compelling language. But yeah, after battling my own doc unsuccessfully and then bypassing him, I triumphantly opened the overnight package and pulled out my quarry...only to see "DANGEROUS DRUGS" slapped on the bottle!
More than a little surprised, I must say. But I'll still take it if I catch the WuFlu.
Where I live, I could only get the horse version. A comment I read a while ago struck me as very true: if IVM is given to million dollar race horses and it is, it can't be that dangerous.
If you're concerned, look at a website like rxlist.com or drugs.com to see what the adverse events might be. Either people version or horse version, over dosing is never a good idea. By the way, IVM is used to treat scabies. If you look at wikipedia scabies article, it matter of factly states that in poor countries where people can't afford the people version, they just get the animal version. Someone commented that in South Africa, they call it sheep dip.
Nope, not concerned. I'll take it if I catch the Chinese virus. Was just pointing out that I was surprised to see the sticker on the pill bottle, having never seen that on anything else, ever.
yep it's a gallon's worth of diluted IVM that they pour over the sheep to rid them a parasites.
Just as long as a sticker with a skull and cross bones were not on it too :)
LOL, thankfully no!
Something I recently learned is that ivermectin and quercetin should not be taken at the same time. Stagger them, take one at night and one in the morning. It's an FLCCC recommendation.
Adverse reactions to drug interactions is pretty common. My dad was in icu several days before a competent doc noticed the meds list. Changed one med and he recovered immediately.
The internet actually has greater wisdom than many docs. Even docs use it to learn. Medical errors is third or fourth leading cause of death. Internet is probably not even top 10.
Good to know, thanks. I've got Q and I take it with my multi, C, D, and Zinc in the morning. I'll be sure to stagger them if I need to take the IVM before it expires.
All drugs, even vitamins, can be dangerous if misused.
Good point! A person can drink to much water too. Anything, can be a problem if taken too much or too little.
Yes...but I've ONLY seen that sticker on IVM. No other prescription drug or ointment, etc. Only on this IVM bottle. That's my point.
I've never seen it on my vitamins, for example.
It's like the warning on your coffee cup that coffee is hot. Their lawyers make them do it.
Yeah, but wouldn't that apply to a whole host of drugs? This is the first time I've ever seen that sticker.
Maybe I'm just not taking the right kinds of drugs...
I wonder if they put anything similar on pain pills or benzos.
I generally don't like to take drugs of any kind, prescription or OTC, and I'm not on any regular prescriptions. But I had a neck injury 2 years ago (I'd make up a great story about how I fought off a carjacker or something, but I slept in a bad position) and so I was given some prescription painkiller. A common one, but I don't remember the name. I do remember being cautious with it the first dose, because I didn't want to go to sleep and not wake up, so I took it in the morning even though it said it could cause drowsiness (it didn't). Anyway, whatever that well-known painkiller was (percoset maybe? is that something?), I'm pretty sure I would've remembered seeing "DANGEROUS DRUGS" on it.
So at least with respect to this one anecdote, I can say "no".
I've taken one drug that had a danger label on it. It was Zyvox, one of the last antibiotics available to treat antibiotic resistant bacteria. And no surprise to me, I got all the most serious side effects - the kind where the package insert says: Stop taking this drug immediately if you have any of these symptoms. The drug can cause irreversible kidney damage, deafness, etc.
I consulted a doctor and he told me to stop taking it immediately. I would have done so even if he hadn't said to do so. I imagine it probably did damage my kidneys and my hearing to some unknown degree.
No sticker on ours either.
Ha! Wonder if they put that sticker on all the opioids they dispense every day? I took IVM when I got Covid back in October (starting on the first day of symptoms, and I never got very sick). I tolerated it quite well with no side effects. I don't know if it helped or I just had a very mild case, but I'd certainly take it again.
a valid early option right...not a magic bullet
What does it mean to overplay ivermectin? Who is overplaying it in on what basis? Who said it's a perfect cure? Stop contributing to fake news.
A new Brazil study counters your belief where "people don't even get sick." That was the focus of the study: https://www.cureus.com/articles/82162-ivermectin-prophylaxis-used-for-covid-19-a-citywide-prospective-observational-study-of-223128-subjects-using-propensity-score-matching
And obviously none of those doctors claimed it WAS a perfect cure. Nobody has that, obviously, right?
Has anybody read the original comment from tritorch?
I tested positive for covid last night. All for of my car mates are sick, and the house we visited had 5 sick people. I took my first dose of ivermectin a half hour ago.
I hope it goes well for you April!
Only symptom left is eye pain.
Not sure if that's good or bad, but I hope it's not too bad!
It's not too bad, but I've been chatting with other moms. It's a common symptom with this round.
And what do you think about this?
https://www.nothingsincurable.com/everything-about-diatomaceous-earth/
Thank you. Do I get to blame covid for my typo? *four* car mates!
ABC - Always blame the Covid!
I've noticed another error. There were four of us in the car. That makes 3 car mates because I am the fourth. Oh, my. I need a covid nap, but the pre-schooler isn't sick enough to nap. Le sigh.
download I Mask protocol PDF from the FLCCC website... Make sure to take all the recommended supplements.
https://covid19criticalcare.com/covid-19-protocols/i-mask-plus-protocol/
What happened in the interview IS relevant.
Dr. Malone is a well-respected scientist with significant experience in the field of vaccination and who is trying to make a good difference in this world by remaining as balanced and ethical as possible. In his Substack newsletter, he provides the patent history of MRNA technology, and his name is there:
https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/p/bushwhacked-by-alex-berenson-on-fox
He also provides information about Ivermectin studies. Most people do not think that this is “a silver bullet” but one of the many tools available.
BTW - the NIH actually includes Ivermectin as a possible Covid treatment (please scroll down, #4 in the table):
https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/tables/antiviral-characteristics/
Berenson HAS NOT PROVIDED yet any DATA whatsoever to back up his claims/accusations against Dr. Malone.
His attack was totally out of context, irrational, illogical, unprofessional and frankly, a bit nuts. He has now alienated his subscribers and lost professional credibility. He revealed himself as an immature human being, who lacks wisdom, self-awareness and integrity.
He's a liberal who has no liberal audience. His wife and children are losing friends because he's against the narrative. If he accepts liberal doctors killed hundreds of thousands because they refused to try ivermectin at first sign of covid, he'll lose anyone left in his circle. Perhaps.
I think the word "liberal" has lost all meaning at this point. "Liberal" used to refer to people who are for liberty, civil rights, human rights, inclusive democracy, etc. Now it seems to refer to people who are enthusiastic fascists and totalitarians. I think we should stop using the word entirely.
Point taken. Agree.
liberal comes from the word liberty... All of the enlightenment thinkers and American revolutionaries were liberals. The Democratic party taking an authoritarian turn is antithema to liberalism. Ironically even absolutist CRT and transactivism cannot be described as liberal anymore.
And when will Alex realize that he still CAN reclaim some dignity, but only when he unreservedly admits how wrong he was on FOX? He has an opportunity to grow, but it seems as though he is running from it (natural enough; saying I was wrong" is plenty tough, but essential for a whole human being). Not much point, for me at least, following him until he comes clean. Thank you for your links. Didn't know anything about them.
Now that's a useful comment. Revealing, though.
And no charge. How's that?
I don't expect to agree with everything Alex says or writes, nor do I expect anyone to fall in line behind a narrative. That's the problem with the Covidians, right? That's the problem with cancel culture right? Rather than impute some level of morality to an assertion by Alex or anyone else, if you disagree then make your counterpoint and the rest of us can soak it in. That's the value of free speech. You have to listen to everyone; it's a feature, not a bug.
well said Mike!
I agree with you. Did Alex ever say if he or members of his family are trading Covid related stocks?
I know MANY people who were suck with delta and a few were old people extremely overweight. They used ivermectin and felt 10 times better within 3 days. I'm on it right now and can tell a huge difference.
Berenson is still silent about this and has not provided any actual data to support the claims he blasted on the show. Perhaps he is hoping that, by writing about Israel or Australia, his subscribers will soon forget. I do not think so ...
I posted this earlier in the day but in my opinion, it is up to Papa Smurf to have credible data and to be honest. You do realize that a team of horses pull that stagecoach.
Effect of Ivermectin on Time to Resolution of Symptoms Among Adults With Mild COVID-19
A Randomized Clinical Trial.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2777389
Rapid Increase in Ivermectin Prescriptions and Reports of Severe Illness Associated with Use of Products Containing Ivermectin to Prevent or Treat COVID-19.
https://emergency.cdc.gov/han/2021/han00449.asp
By the 3rd year as a medical student with humans and not farm animals should already understand this without asking any questions.
The first link that you provided was to a study conducted in Colombia. It states the following conflicts of interest: "Dr López-Medina reported receiving grants from Sanofi Pasteur, GlaxoSmithKline, and Janssen and personal fees from Sanofi Pasteur during the conduct of the study. Dr López reported receiving grants from Sanofi Pasteur, GlaxoSmithKline, and Janssen and personal fees from Sanofi Pasteur during the conduct of the study. Dr Oñate reported receiving grants from Janssen and personal fees from Merck Sharp & Dohme and Gilead outside the submitted work." As you know, Gilead is the maker of Remdesivir, which is the killer drug being administered at hospitals. Janssen is the vaccine marker.
The second link that you provided is from the CDC, which has well-known conflicts of interest with Big Pharma and is pushing the vaccines and no early treatments.
Just FYI - NIH actually includes Ivermectin as a possible Covid treatment (please scroll down, #4 in the table):
https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/tables/antiviral-characteristics/
Okay Papa Smurf you have one chance and one chance only. You have a patient who has covid-19 on life support because the patient has 1 liter of fluid in the lungs. How is Ivermectin not going to kill this patient. How am i as a Critical Care Doctor even going to get the medicine. Not being a veterinarian. And the N.IH. does not approve this drug for covid. More so if death from overdoses is from Ivermectin.
Perhaps be you should speak with your Papa Smurf about it. Do not provide bogus or compromised references (with economic conflicts of interest). It is a waste of time for us both. Thank you.
You like Papa Smurf have zero clue what Covid truly is this is why misinformation is being spread. From people like yourself listening to CNN Fauci and Papa Smurf and believing Ivermectin saves lives.
A reporter is manipulating the public? Someone call a waaaaambulance!
Fauci house of cards are crumbling.
I read this recently. State Economist, This disaster ended up being a gigantic financial windfall for the state.
Whose show was he on? Tucker's? I haven't seen the interchange yet.
I think Papa Smurf is contributing to the health crisis.
Resolution of Symptoms Among Adults With Mild COVID-19
A Randomized Clinical Trial.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2777389
Rapid Increase in Ivermectin Prescriptions and Reports of Severe Illness Associated with Use of Products Containing Ivermectin to Prevent or Treat COVID-19.
https://emergency.cdc.gov/han/2021/han00449.asp
Papa Smuf has bitten off more than he can chew and has some explaining to do.
Your source is the CDC. A fake news organization. Have you read these links? Can you discuss the details? I doubt it. If I'm wrong let me know and let's discuss
All in - Dr Malone got a lot many more subscribers, Alex continues to show that he is undeterred by public noise (a good thing I will say), and his readers continue to remain critical thinkers.
Look nobody owes anyone anything here. You pay because you find value. Don’t find value? Don’t pay. Go elsewhere. If you REALLY are a critical thinker you will take points from Alex (not everything he says is right), from Malone (not everything HE says is right) Rogan etc…and form your own opinions. Why do we need this one Demi-God?
Not the point at all - the point is Alex highjacked a segment on censorship to take a couple of low blows on a colleague. Trashy, immature and disgusting.
I'm sure he knows it cost him. Now he's got some 'splainin' to do. ...<Crickets>
^^The best username and profile image on Substack ^^
I like the sheep with a mask over the eyes.
🤣Thanks
Was that sarcasm? I remember a typical FoxNews "Fair & Balanced" panel was some liberal "R" moderating 2 Dems & 2 squishy RINOs. Then during Trump's 2015-16 campaign & beyond, it'd be a "Blue-Light" Federalist "R" interviewing 2 Dems & 2 NeverTrumps. Often the moderator would be a pseudosophisticated pretend bubbleboy or bubblegirl - shocked, SHOCKED I say! - by Trump using a BAD word in a private conversation. e.g. Priss Wallace or MeGyn Kelly. Surely it was the first time those innocents had EVER heard or used that word! Why they had to look it up to get offended!
I wonder if Tucker Carlson knew something was brewing between Alex & Malone. Controversy = Ratings.
Got it. I have, many times. Maybe you mean decorum, not fairness & balance.
What is your evidence that Fox News is not fair and balanced? Stop repeating narratives you don't have the evidence for. I can give you many more fake news segments from CNN & NYT than you can from Fox News. Would you like to play the example game?
Fox is less unfair & unbalanced than CNN et ilk. Doesn't mean it's Fair & Balanced. See below. The kind of Faux "Fair & Balanced" that globalist-owned Fox often does is far more destructive than the obvious crap from the Communist News Network. A traitor in your own command post is far more destructive than an open enemy outside the wire.
I'll make the case there's no value here anymore. Might as well get the last of my last $5 worth. Alex won't acknowledge 60+ IVM studies plus India and Japan, thinks an election was fair with 5 counties in 5 states obviously cheating and lies about Dr. Malone on LIVE TV like a sleazy little rat, what other information should I rely on him to interpret for me for $5 per month that I can't interpret myself? Why give him money unless you're a blind sucker or cult follower at this point? He spent 2 months on here just sending screenshots of his book sales. A critical thinker and his money would soon part this sub. The pandemic has been over for months and it's all about politics, society, culture and war now and Alex clearly has no idea about anything on those fronts.
This entire tempest in a teapot made me realize 80% of the commenters here are as rigidly anti-free speech as any bunch of numbskulls at Atlantic Monthly.
Oh so now this is about free speech-- ok so if you slag someone publicly you actually think that is about free speech. How about if Alex has questioned him publicly instead of attacking him?. The law actually distinguishes between the two. So if you think that is free speech-- go ahead do it to whoever you want publicly. Good luck.
I think Alex said his claim to be THE inventor of the mRNA tech was greatly exaggerated. I think Alex was correct on that score, and Malone didn't like hearing it. Is that "slagging" someone publically? It's free speech, it's just you don't like hearing it. And Malone siccing his little horde of worshippers on Alex, crying about being "bushwhacked" and likening himself to Socrates is cringeworthy. It suggests he believes Alex is right after all.
Yup. Hypocrisy at it's finest!
This is an absurd take. Several times per week Alex posts data and articles that I can share with friends and family. Actual numbers that are impossible to refute. They show that vaccines are ineffective at stopping spread, as are masks. His book is a great overview of the lunacy that we've been put through over the past two years. The more people that read it, the better off we will all be.
Malone offers nothing other than regurgitating what Alex, RFK Jr, and El Gato have posted weeks or even months before him. I've listened to his interviews. He rarely, if ever, gives attribution to these researchers. He passes off this research as his own. You're impressed by his resume and work that he did 35 years ago. Are you equally as impressed with "Dr." Anthony Fauci's resume? Which is much more impressive than Malone's?
Impossible to refute 🤣🤣🤣 are you serious? I am a medical professional who deals with stats on a daily basis-- I could spend an hour explaining how stats are manipulated or miscalculated on a daily basis. PLEASE
ROFL! You're such a busy "medical professional" that you spend your time trolling Alex's threads and posting misinformation. I hope no hospitals or doctors are relying on your "stats"! God help them.
Nope today is a snow day where I live. I treat patients all over the world and work weekends-- you?
Riiiiight "doctor."
you are on here constantly when do you work
Irrefutable in the sense that Alex uses data regarded as “true” by the mob. This serves to undermine the narrative driving the mob, and may have the added benefit of opening some eyes.
Who said anything about what Malone offers Joe? Alex did great work for the first year and a half but this thing has been over for months. Keep paying Alex if that information is useful to you but the sniffles virus is the common cold and the pandemic is over. It's time to make connections to bigger issues and take in the full ramifications of what has transpired the past year. Alex has much less to offer on that front than a dozen others I follow more worthy of $5.
Cut and paste
Look at how he didn't even get the real story about Novak Djokovic-- he was tossed because he was deemed a threat to spread false information in the Country-- see my post above.
"On January 14, Immigration Minister Alex Hawke uses his ministerial powers to cancel Djokovic's visa on "health and good order grounds". Later that day, Djokovic's lawyers lodge an application at the Federal Circuit Court review the cancellation."
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-14/novak-djokovic-visa-cancellation-decision-immigration-minister/100748386
Ok. Thanks Tammy I won't.
I thought Malone's crying and whining to his substack followers was embarrassing.
So not everything HE (Malone) says is right. Since you purport to be a Malone fact checker, please provide something Malone has said that is wrong (and has not since been corrected or evolved-Covid science is fluid), providing a citation.
Knock yourself out.
https://nationalfile.com/dr-robert-malone-warns-ebola-like-hemorrhagic-fever-super-virus-china-caused-mutations-due-mass-vaccination/
Try again, you’ll have to do better. Try reading the entire article and not just the header, then listen to the entire interview for context. If this is your game, please don’t waste my time.
Oh I heard the interview. And I heard him talk about the fever in China. So that was enough for me.
You “heard” but you didn’t listen. Try again.
He was doing the Fauci equivalent of Kawasaki disease on MSNBC.
He claims to be "THE inventor...". But his name is in a list of other names on his multiple patents. Go look. He is a co-inventor.
FFS people-- good god-- splitting hairs, Malone has always said that. WAKE UP
And not the senior author. Typically you list researchers in order of seniority and contribution to the research.
Pharma Troll-- see the push v. Malone 🙄
This is not always true. For me, it is alphabetical unless there is an obvious lead.
It was cheap of him not to acknowledge his co researchers in that case. His overreaction suggests Alex hit a nerve.
hmmm pharma?
Exactly
Showing my age I guess. In the dark ages it wasn’t that way.
People should be asking why Fauci is on patents (Moderna)
To be listed on the patent you must contribute.
Does anyone believe this isn't a flat-out bribe?
sigh
On denying med treatment to the unvaxxed.
https://markoshinskie8de.substack.com/p/denying-medical-treatment-to-the
Couldn't agree more, we don't need a Holy Fauci representing us on this side, we make our own decisions on this. I read Alex for the articles like latest two to get real facts. I don't agree with him on all things but appreciate his and all others work. I stated before I find RFK JR. morally reprehensible but his book is excellent and well documented, Reading all the information out there that is documented not spewed and censored by MSM is as you say how we remain independent critical thinkers.
The fault of man is that he worships man, instead of following the truth. "The discerning heart seeks knowledge, but the mouth of a fool feeds on folly." Proverbs 15:14
Spot on. You accomplished in two paragraphs what took me about 10 minutes to spit out this am: https://faybomb.substack.com/p/malone-v-berenson
Public noise? He falsely claimed that Robert Malone was not the inventor of the mRNA vaccine. Malone put up his credentials providing evidence for his assertion. Alex after the false accusation has been silent. Now that you know the facts what is your opinion?
whoa, Robert Malone was NOT the inventor of the mRNA vaccine. At least not one anyone is taking. He is one of the patent holders on the technology used in mRNA vaccines.
It's a stupid argument I know, but it's like saying the Wright brothers invented the Boeing 767.
I agree with you Barcode. I didn’t like what Alex said to Dr. Malone but Alex doesn’t and shouldn’t base what he says on what his readers do or don’t like. Somebut not all exceptions include lying guv authorities, lying politicians, murderous pharm companies, etc. If he starts defending those types I am gone, but I don’t think he will.
Yeah, everyone should remember the reason we were given for Brandon's election win. Trump was mean so suburban women voted Biden.
I always thought that was bullshit, but now I'm starting to rethink that position :-)
Wow, well said.
How many paid subscribers do you have, Alex? After all the money we've given you via subscriptions and the pamphlets and books we purchased, responding to our questions about your out-of-nowhere interview comments seems appropriate, no? (WHY did you choose that moment on national television to blindside all involved with those remarks about Dr. Malone?) After all, we are your customers and we’re simply asking you for the truth. That's what we're paying you for. Will you honor our simple request and provide it?
If not, we are left to come to our own conclusions. I would much rather you actually explain yourself, since that is (hopefully) the best way for us to arrive at the truth of the matter.
The longer you wait, the worse this becomes.
I gave you the benefit of the doubt at first (we all have our moments), but the more time that goes by, the more you have me rethinking things.
I used to have a lot of respect for you. Unfortunately I am now wondering if we were had by you this whole time.
Tell me I am wrong.
Like the cool kid who, when kicked out of the in crowd, uses the outsiders, only to refuse to be seen in public with them and quickly cast them aside when let back in…. That's how this appears. Again, correct us if we're wrong on this.
We get it that you're not a “conspiracy theorist.” We get it that you don't like Trump. We get it that you don't think the election was rigged. We get it that you're not a Dr. Malone fan. We get it that you DO NOT want to be considered one of THOSE people who identifies with any of these things.
But no one ever asked you, so why the constant need to remind us? People from all viewpoints and political ideologies came to you to dig into COVID truths that they didn't have the time to discover on their own. That was it. The fact that you continuously made sure we knew you weren't “one of those people” is odd. It has to be noted and not forgotten because it doesn't fit.
When asked about the Fox interview from The Daily Beast and by thousands of us, you chose to answer them and ignore us. If that doesn’t say something, I don’t know what does.
And you assumed we don't read The Daily Beast. That's another clue, no? You think we're very, very different from you and your actual friends, is that it?
Again, if I have it wrong, correct me.
Have you been using us all along? When you came to us, pleading with us to buy your pamphlets to teach Elizabeth Warren a lesson…were you just laughing in the background as you raked in the dough?
Tell me I am wrong.
Now that your book is out and has sold well, are you anxious for COVID to be over, to remind the world “I'm not one of THEM,” to move on and disassociate from everyone here? After all, you didn't ask for this arrangement in which you have a community of followers who think so differently from you in many areas. Twitter kicked you here. And left you with no choice but to hang with the out-crowd.
Who made you pretty rich in the meantime.
I hope I'm wrong in all this, Alex, but your refusal at all to acknowledge our questions leaves us no choice but to come to our own conclusions about your opinion of us and about the man who gladly takes our money and then ignores us.
If nothing else, your deafening silence to our legit questions shows a lack of respect for us, your paying customers. Again, if I'm wrong and there is something else going on, TELL US. Otherwise, what are we to think?
Like the husband who comes home at 1 a.m. smelling of another woman's perfume and won't answer to where he's been, with no explanation given in the face of such damning evidence, what other conclusion can be drawn?
You're clearly not stupid and your wife is a psychiatrist. So odds are you know exactly what you're doing, whatever that happens to be.
I hope we all learn what it is.
(If this unfortunate read on Alex is correct, anyone who would like to continue to comment with this great community without having to pay Alex, I was thinking we could have a parallel Substack where we just use the comment section of it. I know many of us have benefited a lot from other subscribers’ comments. I'll give Alex a chance to respond first, and if it's crickets or a slap in the face, I'll reply to this post with the parallel Substack details. Free of course.)
I don't expect Alex to think in "lockstep" with every person on here. He doesn't owe us anything. You don't like what he says/thinks, then leave.
I don't want him to think in lockstep with everyone. Not at all. But he did something that left many of us wondering. It was odd. I'm giving him a chance to respond and if he doesn't, then obviously I and anyone else can leave. Just giving him one last chance to answer the thousands of questions.
I'd prefer that he just carry on with his reporting, and not waste his valuable time responding to the Karens' angry and irrational demands. He may or may not reply down the road, which will no doubt disappoint you that it's not on your rigid timeline. So while you're waiting, go complain about Starbucks' tea being too hot or people with more than 10 items in their carts who are in the express line at the grocery store. That should keep you busy for awhile.
I don't drink coffee. It's strange Alex didn't acknowledge the thousands of comments. That's all.
Maybe he will. Not everything can happen on YOUR timeline. Only infants and narcissists believe they should get instant gratification when they demand something. You claim to be a "psychologist" so you should know that.
Perhaps he will. That's what we're asking and waiting for. No need to get so upset.
ooohhhh thats lovely. Wow-- chill
i wouldn't acknowledge mob mentality either. Give him time and stop attacking.
Wow lady what's the bee in your bonnet? Chill out
One last chance?
Seriously Karen?
Some self-awareness would do you good.
I'm merely noting that this has all been very strange. The interview. The lack of response. The Daily Beast article. The crickets. I've enjoyed reading Alex for the truth he provides and this is no different. I'm curious to know what that was all about and why he won't say. If he chooses not to say, that's his perogative. We'll generally all fighting for the same thing, right?
But, Mrs. Malone, “merely noting” would be a comment or two.
You've certainly moved beyond that, into Karen territory.
Clearly I should've made my name Dr. "Joe" to avoid all the sexist Karen comments.
Bully much? Wow-- oh yeah its John 🙄
Have you thought about therapy?
bully much?
I'm a researcher. If you're a co author or co inventor, how shall I put it, you don't throw your ass around claiming to be THE author, THE inventor. That Malone had been doing that was going to be called out anyway by the vax and pharma bullies to the discredit of those of us who cite Malone's statements and claims. Alex pulled the rip cord before big pharma could.
Wonderful 😊 you are a researcher--clearly with a chip on your shoulder. 🙄
Agreed that is exactly what I am doing. Not a good start with his post today. His first line is wrong. Read the deportation order. Read what Hawke et al said.
I like what Alex has to say in this substack. I DON'T like that he f'd up on national TV and wasted an opportunity to discuss censorship. I don't like that he cast shade on someone else trying to warn the world about the vaccines and in doing so compromised the credibility of both parties. He owes his paying subscribers an apology for a serious unforced error that harms all of us that are fighting the global move toward authoritarianism.
This 💯
I don't have the slightest interest in how many paid subscribers Alex has (I am one of them). I am also totally uninterested in seeing every thread polluted with irrelevant commentary on the Malone/Berenson kerfuffle. Drop the drama and keep it to the topic.
And we don't care to see Alex polite Fox News with his gratituiitously contentious BS. you're welcome.
Then stop watching, reading, listening and hanging out in the comment section of a guy you don't care to see.
It'll reduce your stress level.
You're welcome.
If Alex refunds my subscription -- something I now requests that he do -- then I'll stop commenting. It doesn't cause me any stress to call out liars. It's just something I do.
Full amount I paid.
You mean the incorrect statement of why Novak was booted from Australia? Yeah bodes well for all his "data" provision in the future. Blind, blind, blind
Stop spreading stupid misinformation, Karen. Alex is correct.
🙄🙄 blind blind blind
Yes, I’m beginning to think Alex is controlled opposition. I’m very close to canceling my subscription. I didn’t know that Alex did not think the election was rigged…maybe I’ll just cancel on THAT fact!
Controlled opposition??? He’s done everything in his power to say avoid the vaccines!
Yes, but he thinks the Big Pharma IVM copy cats are promising. Meanwhile, people denied IVM die and he really doesn’t care. Pretty abhorrent, actually.
SO HE SAYS
Troll.
LOL! seriously? on it from day one-- projecting are we?
Bye
Very well said. I’ve been checking my email to hopefully see a new substack from Alex that would explain what the heck is going on. Then received this one. Guessing he hopes to move on like nothing happened with no explanation…? I also felt like if I left this substack I would miss the comments and getting to chat with lots of like minded folks. I’ve gotten valuable help and information from many of you. I’m responding to your comment so I can stay in the loop. Alex owes us an explanation…period.
Well, aren't you entitled?
Alex owes you nothing.
Have a nice day.
I wrote this comment above, but it applies here.
Why are you here? Just go. Or shut up. This conflict is between Berenson and Malone. They don't have to agree. They don't have to like each other. Berenson doesn't have to accept Malone's bona fides. Berenson doesn't have to have to think HCQ and ivermectin are effective against C19 disease. It has nothing to do with you. You are only furthering the conflict and discord...and we have much bigger problems.
If we cannot tolerate differing options, we are no different than the covidians.
If we fall into petty disputes, we will fail.
You (and a few others) don't "get it," so I'll respond. Alex is a life-long liberal, so his principles (whatever they may be) do not align with the vast majority of people who oppose government over-reach, for which vaccine mandates and bans on alternative treatment, are the flavor of the day.
When Alex attacked Dr. Malone, he attacked the work being done by many of us here, most of whom also paid for a subscription. So, we got "conned" by Alex Berenson. Something I don't take lightly.
Alex Berenson is NOT A DOCTOR, he's a writer and entertainer. Dr. Malone IS A DOCTOR, with a long pedigree in the field of viruses and treatment (together with a plethora of other equally qualified doctors with whom Malone is affiliated). Not all of those affiliated with Malone agree with everything he says or does. Yet, they don't go around attacking each other but try to find areas in which they agree, and do so, against the common enemy.
The wanna-bes (of which Alex has identified himself as one) only serve to undermine the bigger battle. That is what Alex did, obviously because he felt so inferior to Malone on the program that was intended to discuss social media bans. So, no, not until Alex apologies for the damage he caused to OUR EFFORTS (with the apology to Malone being secondary) will he be "forgiven".
1- you need a hobby
2- if you're so offended, leave
3- why would you pay for an “entertainer,” then be offended that he's not a doctor?
3 is rhetorical….you're posts speak for themselves.
Unprincipled leftist liberals need to go back to promoting "gay marriage" LGBTQ, and "climate change".
I don't tolerate liars. Alex lied about Malone and Ivermectin. I'm calling him out.
How interesting that you and “Barcode” had same comment within 1 minute. It’s as if it’s coordinated. We see you.
Not coordinated at all. I don't know Barcode. Wrote that comment in advance, waiting for a chance to post and finally had a chance. Nothing to see. Would appreciate a comment from Alex instead of sweeping it under the rug.
It's like a coordinated attack to screw up Alex's stack & especially his comment section which is what Twitter would be like with a triple digit IQ.
sure feels like it doesn't it!
Ooooh, thanks, detective.
Travis posts that he was “only 1/2 as excited to read this article” plus this. Not a plant at all. Nope.
Brooke doesn't like dissenting opinions. But she sure loves the word “plant.”
we do!
I think you are over- analyzing this. Alex speaks the truth as he sees it and then he moves on.
I speak the truth, and don't just "move on." When someone has been identified as controlled opposition. I call them out. I suspect Berenson will need to soon start deleting posts and censoring comments. That will be the height if irony.
That (controlled opposition) is too conspiracy theory for me. Time will tell.
I truly hope that's the case. Hopefully he'll confirm so!
That was my original analysis, which I wrote an article about, and I hope it's the case. But the longer he says nothing, the more I'm wondering if I was naive. Hope not!
I don't think that you (or we) are being naive. Time will tell. I do believe that his decision to address Dr. Malone in this way during the interview was horrid but I'm not holding my breath on him commenting about it or doing a mea culpa.
!!!
Yes and the question is does his truth meet the smell test. Does his way of dealing with difference meet the smell test. Your choice
Malone is a bullshit artist. He did some original research on MRNA vaccines. His "work" on covid over the past year has consisted of reading RFK Jr, and Alex's posts and then regurgitating them almost verbatim to his readers. What has Malone told you in the past two years that you didn't hear from another prominent blogger first?
I'm not defending Malone, but thousands of comments were asked of Alex and some of us appear to want a response, that's all.
Don't agree. As one example, while I was familiar with studies showing people with Natural Immunity should not get the jab as it puts them at detrimental risk; no one is talking about it. In a recent interview with Dr. Malone, he highlighted those same studies. I don't see anyone else doing so.
This kind of sniping is so unproductive. I think many have (correctly) pointed this out to Alex. He's decided to weather the storm and just move on without further comment. I don't actually like that approach as it leaves a bad taste with the unneeded swipe at Dr. Malone. Worse, it leaves dangling the poor analogy about the "vax" to Ivermectin. This is far more grave IMHO. Ivermectin is proving beneficial at all stages of the ChiCom Virus infection: before, during and late. The latest study out of Brazil late last week shows its value again.
Horsey...don't take the bait!
I took it. These questions IMHO should be addressed.
Malone clearly had some role in the development of the technology and that gives him some cred, I suppose. But his explanation for why he got the vax makes little sense. It sounds to me like until he was "discovered" by Bret Weinstein, he probably wasn't thinking that the community of skeptics would get much attention and didn't figure that being un-jabbed would top the list of bona fides for entrance into that community, so he came up with that story. Plus, he's a bit of a nut, and he's been very influenced by pushers of the "mass psychosis" narrative that may have an element of truth, but is a very non-productive distraction from the important work at hand. Blindsiding him on Fox, though, was bad form for Alex, but not a capital crime. Or maybe it was expected form for Alex, who's definitely got a bit of the narcissist provocateur in him. On the other hand, Alex has been a fairly consistent and reliable information source. Let it lie. Th great hope of the mainstream public health cult is an internecine war among skeptics.
Alex is the one who started the whole pissing match, and then refused to explain himself.
Malone doesn't need to justify his choices to you or anyone else. His credentials speak for themselves, and he has direct knowledge about mRNA technology that is useful in countering the wall of lies the establishment has been pushing for 2 years.
“I’ve known Tony for 30 years…..the lies….that’s just how he is.”
“Based on my experience of running clinical trials, bringing drugs to market, interacting within all levels of all agencies ….”
The list is near endless.
Wait a minute, you didn't know that Anthony Fauci was a totally and completely full of shit before Malone said he was? And did Malone provide any documentation proving that Fauci was full of shit? No, he just stated that he knew Anthony and alluded to how he lied in the past. Typical name dropper. Alex, RFK, El Gato all have receipts documenting that Fauci is a lying asshole. Don't need to take their word for it.
And he's done some clinical trials? He's brought drugs to market? He knows the FDA sucks and is full of shit? Wow, no one else on earth has done that! Only Doctor Malone knows the FDA sucks! Amazing. What fantastic information. Please tell me more oh wise and powerful inventor of MRNA technology.
What's that? Malone took the clot shot? And he took it AFTER he had natural immunity? All so he could "travel"? Hmmmmm.....Sounds like he's wildly naive, or doesn't actually think the clot shots are that much of a risk (they are). He's a bullshit artist who hasn't done original work in 30 years.
Joe, i am not defending Malone. He is not my superhero. But the fact that Alex attacks ivermectin really bothers me. It is not a matter of opinion. It is science.
Science can't attack a substance. To be convinced or not by the given data is what scientists often do.
This may be the wrong platform to have the conversation you are longing for.
Alternatively, maybe you should hit a meeting or call your Sponsor.
Perhaps a better question for those "going to the mat for Malone" would be, "if Malone 'knew' Fauci was a fraud for '30 years', then why the HOLY HELL did Melone WAIT til now to 'report' it???". Malone can go on podcast after podcast saying "I've know Fauci was corrupt for 30 years", yet NO ONE questions Malone's integrity?? Now that's a question I'd love to hear the answer to!!
Give it a rest researcher
Hmmm… bullshit artist, indeed. If you want to convince thinking people then it is better not to lead with a childish ad hominem.
Lol. Malone is a total bullshit artist. Sorry there isn't a better word for it. Perhaps "con man"? He co-authored a few papers 30 years ago. None of his "reporting" on covid is even close to original. He reads other people's blog posts and then regurgitates their findings as his own. And then doesn't give attribution. Total piece of shit move.
His entire schtick is centered on the fact that he is the "inventor of MRNA technology". That's the same appeal to authority that Fauci has been using for two years.
My favorite part of the Rogan interview was when Malone claimed to be influential in the Zika response. Rogan then asked what year was that. And Malone was total deer in headlights. Couldn't even give a ballpark answer. Stuttered, stammered and changed the subject.
Bullshit artist living on 30 year old accomplishments and searching for relevance.
Who is this "we" you keep referring to, Karen? "We" have moved on. So should you.
Many, many commenters asked Alex what that was all about. No need for the low blow Karen comment.
Beth I so look forward to next season Yellowstone! :)
Quit clogging up this thread with your 10k word posts, that I didn’t read and won’t. I didn’t pay a subscription to read your thoughts. You write more than the author, Alex. Weird
Then don't read them. How about not making the comments section here read like the cesspool that Twitter is? Many of us came here to get away from that.
I don’t read long posts. I came here for Alex’s posts and comments but not peoples long emotionally laden cries for attention
Helpful hint: stop reading Alex, Mrs Malone. It will cause you less stress & it’ll stop wasting time for the rest of us.
Aren't you the jokester 🙄
Mrs. Malone. Hahaha
Well said.
I gave you an update, but I can tell you, you're wasting your time and energy. Detractors (in this case, Berenskn) do that by design.
As promised...
If you'd like to have a place to communicate with former subscribers instead of staying here, here's a free Substack with that purpose:
https://truthcomments.substack.com/p/truth-comments
The elephant only gets bigger the longer you ignore it, Alex.
The lack of response is stunning and sad.
This conflict is between Berenson and Malone. They don't have to agree. They don't have to like each other. Berenson doesn't have to accept Malone's bona fides. Berenson doesn't have to have to think HCQ and ivermectin are effective against C19 disease. It has nothing to do with us.
If we cannot tolerate differing options, we are no different than the covidians.
If we fall into petty disputes, we will fail.
I agree with most of your points, cmpalmer75, especially the last one, which is why Berenson’s unwarranted blindsiding of Malone was such a detrimental maneuver, and now MSM outlets are having a feeding frenzy on fresh anti-vaxxer meat.
Worse, it’s led to division amongst people in this thread when we’re ultimately all fighting for the same cause—saving lives and stopping tyranny.
The only way to heal this division is for Alex to address these concerns, and his failure to do so is simply stoking the coals.
Most worrisome in my eyes is his handwaving dismissal of ivermectin, the slandering of which has been a key BigPharma strategy and one that has cost countless lives. That tarnishes Alex’s credibility and makes him complicit in further harm caused by this lethal disinformation campaign.
Calling for Alex to address this matter is in his best interest as well as ours, but I won’t belabor the point if he chooses denial instead of disinfecting sunlight.
Well put Margaret
The problem is not the difference of opinion - it is HOW and WHERE that difference of opinion was surfaced.
Both men can share their opinions - AND back it up with data to support it. Then we can make informed decisions ourselves. That's the way it should work - but has NOT for the last 2+ years.
I think what is causeing the upset is that we believed that Alex shared those values, and this has seemed to expose that is not totally the case. It does not mean that everything he has done/said is not true or irrelevant - we just expected more of him.
We need both of them to act this way - we are depending on both of them.
I'm not defending Berenson's behavior. I'm not defending his positions. I'm also not defending Malone. IMO, he could have and should have provided the receipts of his bona fides without the personal attacks on Berenson. I understand his anger, but he should have taken a beat and calmed down before he released his article.
I don't believe Berenson is suffering from "professional jealously" and I don't think he's "controlled opposition". He believes what he said. Whether he should have said what he said where and when he said it is another matter.
This moment is bigger and more important than Malone or Berenson or any of us. They don't have to agree. They don't have to like each other. They don't have to accept each other's authority or expertise. We need to move on. Now.
The biggest problem that covid has is the AUTHORTARIANISM.
we will fail? that assumes you will win at some point-- think about that
What the hell does that mean, Carol? What's the point of any of this if we don't think we can prevail against the covidians?
Yes, I do think we will win. When? How? At what cost? All TBD.
It means there are many ways to win, not just the one you stated.
This place could very well attract 'concern trolls', but they wouldn't be paying $6/month, waiting for an opportunity to attack, would they?
“Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, one by one.”
― Charles MacKay, Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds
Worse are the Us and them-- everything isnt available in one person. It isnt him or him. Stop looking for saviours-- then you won't get disappointed.
Agreed.
so if Alex simply said "hey I am sorry I was wrong in calling out Malone like I did" How many would still not be obsessed with this?
That’s only half the equation. Parroting BigPharma smear campaigns against ivermectin despite a gargantuan amount of evidence proving its efficacy (https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/letter-to-a-scientifically-minded and https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/profiles-in-courage-dr-tess-lawrie) puts him on the side of the colluders, shills, and homicidal tyrants.
But hey, if Alex wants to continue his campaign of self-immolation, that’s his choice. I was just trying to help him climb out of the 6-foot hole he’s carved out for himself.
He can allow the wound to continue festering, or he can clean it out and put the matter to rest. His choice, his consequences.
Hear you and yes Alex as we all do have to live by the sword-words we use. If he believes there is no valid use of early treatment options like Ivermectin so be it. I know many who don't think it works. I KNOW it does having personal experience and friends and family who have too. Many of us know it works well if used wisely and early as does HCQ etc
Worse it is distracting from the importance of this very article. Instead of examining the apparent connection between the vaccinated and Omicron we are lost in a sea of debate over a horrid exchange on TV.
Alex’s mom chimes in
That was a measured and appropriate response, Tammy.
😆
Why?????
No worries, Tammy, I get it 🕊
Thank you, Janti. Here’s one for you, too 🤗
🤗
Breathe-- get outside--
I was about half as excited as normal to see this in my inbox today.
Oh look another plant. We see you too, Travis. Next.
I disagree with you. Please immediately add me to your plant list, preferably in the succulents column.
He's not going to date you Brooke.
I've been with Alex since the beginning. He has even used two of my comments as posts. So, please, stop embarrassing yourself.
Spy hunting is hard.
"The vaccine should be tested on politicians first. If they survive, the vaccine is safe. If they don't, then the country is safe." -- Monika Wiśniewska.
Brilliant, not the old, kids, and general force mandates. They are.. “experimental “
Still waiting for you to apologize for your disgusting display on Fox with Dr Malone last week.
It looks like he won't, so I just cancelled my paying subscription. I waited over the weekend, hoping he would have some humility. He may be smart, but his arrogance is too much for me. What a shame.
Alex wrote this:
'The Daily Beast asked me to comment about the Fox News interview last night
And how Dr. Robert Malone had called me “controlled opposition” (or, as he put it, “CONTROLLED OPPOSITION”). Lolcatz'
Alex, you know all about the issues with PCR testing, so why do you (of all people) persist in propagating a narrative about "cases" which you know to be false? They are not cases! They are positive tests results - most of them false, nearly all of them meaningless. You know these things!!
Agreed, thank-you-- and he does but like most if you included that -- his story all tied up in a bow (think MSM) doesn't translate as well AND it doesn't attract readers. Please understand he is doing the job he did at NYTimes. I admire him for his stand on vaccines -- his kids etc., but I have never looked to him to provide "the data". You need to take him and Malone with a grain of salt. Look at where they come from- Alex MSM Times, Malone early guy in Vaccinology-- MIC, CIA etc. Do I believe everything that either says, writes--no, I use my (sharp breath in) cognitive skills to analyze.
The problem with too many people here on this blog is that you expect a saviour, a guy who can do it all with no personal baggage. Wake up --there is no one like this alive.
I think we’re on this blog because we appreciate Alex’ insight and common sense analysis of the data. He may not have the credentials that the expertocracy considers acceptable, but he is able to interpret and critique the evidence as well as anyone I have worked with in 40+ years of academic medicine. Neither he or Malone are saviors, but they have been able in their own way, to keep an honest debate open so people can decide for themselves. Considering what I see in other countries, we’re fortunate to still be able to have a mutually respectful dialogue
What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. Same rules should apply pre-vax as post-vax, especially if you’re doing a “scientific” experiment
Understand where you are coming from, but must disagree. More "cases" will only be used to fuel more hysteria, more restrictions, and more injections. We turn the tied with one small step at a time and Alex isn't helping on this front.
Demonstrating that the vaccines have not prevented “infection” - as they were touted by every “expert PHE” - is important. They tried to shift the narrative to preventing hospitalization and deaths, but numerous video clips have them promoting the false claim that they stop the infection cold. Omicron clearly exposed this claim. Alex analysis is spot on IMO
Hard to understand how the anyone at this point does not see that clearly isn't it Dave!
I'm astounded at how many of my friends - very well educated and thoughtful people --- know SO LITTLE about EVERYTHING related to Covid19.
It is because (I believe) that they watch the MSM (national and local) - and think that these sources are telling them the facts.
When I start explaining things like how the virus works, how it kills people (well not the virus but the body's attack on itself after the virus) - and how drugs and vitamin/mineral supplements help prevent infection and/or serious disease - they are ASTOUNDED - and cannot understand WHY they have not heard that before (yes some are skeptical because they are brainwashed). Then I go on to PCR tests and the flaws that they have is used incorrectly... again the same response.
So NO - MANY people are still clueless.
Sotomayor last week proved your point!
I live in alternative universe where bodily autonomy is a human right. This is the strangest time of my lifetime.
Your username and post were so on point that I had to check your substack. Nothing yet, but I will check back later.
I’m unvaccinated and my wife has been jabbed 3 times (because of where she works) she tested positive and was sick for 10 days and is still recovering…me I’m just fine
Does she feel duped or is she in the "I would be in the hospital if not for the vaccine" camp?
Great question she’s on the fence…she’s not sure what to think…she works at Dartmouth and all her friends are telling her it’s a breakthrough case…I’m not great at teaching her about the truth as I tend to rant!..I did show her a video about woman who all had issues with there cycles and where shut down from voicing their opinions and it was eye opening for her as she had some issues with her cycle
I'm so sick and tired of hearing "break through case". She Got Covid. That's it!
Break Through Case is an Euphemism. We all need to call a Virus a Virus.
Well another approach would be to when you say it say it sarcastically so people can understand the idiocy of the term! Like I do breakthrough case aka vaccine failure!
Fuck the Australian government. This is what you get when you have a government that has adopted a radical approach to a problem that has been proven to be wildly counterproductive. When their Nazi like tactics are exposed as ineffective, they can't admit that they were Nazi's for nothing. So they double down.
Alex, your "drive-by" hit pn Malone and IVM seemed out of context and gratuitous. Are you going to elaborate on those comments? Don't your paid subscribers deserve an explanation?
I came to this post to ask the exact same thing. What in the world? Also, Malone just posted on Substack about the incident and shows patent info proving he invented RNA tech. Alex always does his research but may have failed miserably on this. I'm at a loss for words...
Yeah, I have no idea what's going on here. Like Alex went temporarily insane or something.
Looks like Alex’s taking an offense: “he called me a controlled opposition” had some basis. Alex’s silence in response to our requests raises some flags … which makes his IVM stance make sense too … 🙁
Malone was not "The" inventor of MRNA tech. Sorry, he co-authored several early papers on the subject.
He also took the clot shot AFTER catching COVID and recovering. He also steals the work of other substack and twitter contributors without attribution and passes it off as his own independent research.
Sorry.
Sorry, "Co-inventor". Lol. Everyone on the web repeats things without always citing sources. For example you just mentioned info about Malone and I could say your acting as if you went through all material and discovered this but you read it elsewhere. Where are your citations??
Apparently, he doesn't feel paid subscribers deserve any explanation for the damage he did. Over 2,000 comments on that issue, and.........crickets.
Yeah I'm a paid subscriber too. Alex usually doesn't shy away from things. I predict he is writing something lengthy on this. But honestly, he should have done that first rather than do what he did on FoxNews. He knows there would not be time for any lengthy debate, so why not debate elsewhere or via substack?
I was advised, long ago, to "pick your battles." I have found it to be very good advice. So my question is - why did Alex pick that battle with Dr Malone? Alex is a really smart guy. Anyone have any thoughts?
Yes...really want to know from Alex himself and I'm starting to wonder if we ever will.
Yes I asked because I'd really like to understand. I don't think the "Pfizer shill" option is likely. So our options are: "he was picking a fight deliberately", or - "he had no idea he was picking a fight." For the latter to be true, his EQ has to be pretty low. But maybe that is actually true. All I can see is the public persona. Thanks for your thoughts.
Yes that makes sense. There's a big difference between writing and on-air performance.
If I wanted to burn anyone at the stake, I wouldn't have asked you why. So you can't be talking about me here. :)
That said - given the strength of the "pro mandate pro lockdown pro mask" power center, I wouldn't have chosen to spend energy "distancing myself" from one of the very few potential allies in the fight to return life back to something approaching common sense and rationality. Instead, I'd focus on common ground. "Big Tent", etc. Am I super-wise? Hah. I don't think so.
But Churchill once said: "If Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a favorable reference to the devil in the House of Commons."
Notice that Churchill didn't try to "distance himself" - from the Devil, for perceived flaws in the Devil's character. That's where we are at, I think. I love the Churchill quotes. Because we are definitely being attacked by "Hitler" at this point in history. And we don't have a lot of allies in this fight.
Anyhow, thanks for responding.
I’m not happy about this comment thread. I don’t see the relevance of hating on someone just because you disagree with them. That’s what the left does. All this cancel talk because of one remark Alex made is ridiculous. If people want to live in an echo chamber then read the New York Times and the Washington Post, et al. Don’t subscribe to substack if you want just one point of view. There’s room for many voices without canceling people.
Cut the shit people, this is a post about Australia! Don't you idiots see what you are doing? Post this shit someplace else... you're ruining substack. Keep the commentary relevant PLEASE!!!!! Alex already has another post about the Malone thing... go post your opinions there, that's what it's for. Keep going Alex, don't get derailed by this bullshit, we still love you man.
Damn straight!
As the meme says, Novak Djokovic became the first athlete in history to be deported and banned for *not* taking drugs.
(Yes, yes, I know - he was deported because he was a threat to Australia's Soviet-style repression of non-State-permitted speech, not because he was unvaxxed. But that doesn't make as good a meme...)