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Dr. Scott Atlas said children should NEVER be given a drug under the guise of saving adults. It’s heinous. There are NO long term studies to show what the ramifications will be. This is tantamount to child sacrifice.

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One of Trump's biggest mistakes was letting him go and keeping Fauxi.

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I believe it was a forced deal

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No doubt.

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This is why I would LOVE to see TRUMP re-elected. He wasn't a politician and was taken advantage of in many ways. However, I believe he is a fast learner and a good student and if he were re-elected I imagine many people would simply quit b/c they KNOW he would CLEAN HOUSE this time and it would be spotless!! I imagine he would hold many accountable and perhaps impact the deep state and bureaucracy.

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Yep!

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Interesting Report; The link to the actual slide presentation can be found in the article so the entire AI study can be viewed. The Most important part confirmed is NATURAL IMMUNITY WORKS !!!

https://healthimpactnews.com/2021/breaking-ai-powered-dod-data-analysis-program-named-project-salus-shatters-official-vaccine-narrative-shows-a-d-e-accelerating-in-the-fully-vaccinated-with-each-passing-week/

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And child sacrifice is the triumph of the diabolical.

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Amen. This is child abuse for the sake of alleviating mass psychosis

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And what about parents who subject their children to this?

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Another California mom here. 2 kids in HS. Both fully vaccinated except for Covid. My kids even have HPV vaccines (and I did them for my 18yo when they were brand new). My hubby and I are fully Pfizer vaccinated and I did it more to be part of the guinea pigs so my kids wouldn't have to do it. Now they are forcing it on them. TBH, we lie to folks b/c where we live, people are trying to sneak and get their 4 and 5yo's vaccinated. Like a previous commenter said, "if folks could sell their kids into slavery to keep them safe, they would." The religion around COVID is so strong here in the Bay Area and it is unbelievable b/c I don't really know anyone who knows anyone who has died from it. They still believe it. This is the media's fault. Anyway, I am hopeful that we have until next July b/c my kids LOVE their school, their friends, etc. Despite me wanting to move ASAP, I also know how difficult HS can be at a new school. My hope is that there are lawsuits and lots of them. If the CA Teachers Union can refuse a mandate, how can he mandate that the kids be vaccinated? It makes no sense. I know $$ talks but the optics around this are really bad and very inconsistent.

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Did you voted "yes" to recall the governor. Those that did not, or that voted "no" to retain him, really don't have any legs to stand on in opposition to vaccine mandates.

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I voted to RECALL him and I signed the original petition. I was incredibly disappointed with the result. So, yes, I can have a voice. I tried to warn all my friends who still vote straight Democrat "b/c they do" that they could no longer complain about lockdowns, etc. Unfortunately, they all think mandatory Covid vaccines are wonderful to get "stupid Trump voters" to get vaccinated.

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"stupid Trump voters" - They probably voted for Biden/Harris and Newsom but Trump voters are the stupid ones? smh

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"Trump voters" ...

Trump declared the vaccines were miracles and he was responsible and you should get them, they're good! So ... if Trump says the vaccines are good and you should get them, and his supporters don't, are they really Trump supporters?

All my Trump voting relatives got vaccinated. That's anecdotal, I know.

What's not anecdotal: black people are refusing the shots much more often than any other group. Let's throw that fact back whenever someone tries to make this about Trump voters. It's not.

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I'm a Trump voter. His recommendation one way or the other makes not a single bit of difference to me. I like the guy, he's not perfect and he clearly makes mistakes. This is one of them in my opinion. Besides, I have this nasty habit of thinking for myself and I really balk at being made to do anything against my will. Something, Trump would not have done, btw.

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Trump voter here. Trump is just a guy I hired to do a job. I'm not in a cult and disappointed Trump is MIA on this issue.

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I agree that he's been MIA on this, and I think it has to do with his advisors. For a shrewd business guy, he sure makes some awful personnel decisions. From his last rally and interviews, looks like he's been clued in to the vaccine mandate issue and he's spoken out, but not as forcefully as he needs to. I'm betting we'll see him being quite vocal against the mandates.

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Me too. Anyone would have been better than HRC so I voted for Trump. I never liked DJT and still don’t . I voted for him over Biden but I don’t want Trump back. I like the MAGA idea and yeah, Gavin is a schmuck, sorry for you guys in Ca..

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I’m sick and tired of all sides politicizing a public health issue. Rational people would fight to end regulatory capture and politicization of our supposed watchdogs (FDA, CDC, etc.) and provide a true reasoned response based on science and not TheScience™️. To hell with Trump, Biden, and 99.9% of politicians.

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I agree wholeheartedly with you. I’m just boiling it down to what the really insane people hearsay. They equate the unvaccinated with Trump voters. I have tried to present the data about the people of color not wanting to get vaccinated and they literally refute it and say no it is all stupid white evangelicals. You have to bear in mind that in the bay area, people have a very simplistic view of what a Trump voter is and but it is equated wholeheartedly with being unvaccinated. If Trump is still president and he was making this push, you can be sure none of these folks would be getting vaccinated.

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I am here in CA and echo your experience. We are unapologetically anti-Newsom and will have “let them choose” signs in our front yard. We started homeschooling 6th grade best decision ever. Hang in there! 💙

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My fear is that Dictator Newsom will try to outlaw homeschooling. I truly think that between the hair gel and the cocaine and knowing he has all the evil gazilionnaires on his side that he's going to get worse and worse.

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It's so frustrating, isn't it? Like they just want to see it the way they see it, facts be damned.

Like how schools in other parts of the world, or even in other states, have been open, no masks, no social distancing, no problems, yet people still insist that all the covid theater in blue state school is necessary. It's all very weird to me.

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Call it what it is the Trump vaccine.

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Agree - I was a Trump voter, but his ridiculous “warp speed” nonsense has made me decide that if he runs again, I will not support him.

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Desantis is actually for the same overall Trump policies but is much less hyperbolic and articulate, and gets the job done. I think he is the best choice in 2024. Unfortunately, whether you like him or not, Trump brings the personality factor that turns many off. It’s time to move on to a fresh, younger face and one who is a true Conservative

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Sadly, with Casey DeSantis being diagnosed with breast cancer, there is less likelihood of Ron running for President in 2024. I pray that she gets the best treatment and is able to recover quickly but there is no guarantee of anything.

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Horrible discernment.

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I voted for Trump but because I'm able to process information in my own mind, I think the vaccines are SHIT. Dangerous, society-collapsing DOG-SHIT. Just like what's between Biden's ears

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Does it never occur to self-proclaimed liberals that mandating your choices onto others is decidedly illiberal?

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I voted Dems and I just cant get over how everything we are going through would seem to be something Dems oppose but they are all onboard. My body my choice, no discrimination etc.. where did that go?

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Do you mean you voted Dem this past election? If so, the red pill right now must be truly difficult to swallow. But the truth is, the Dems have always been excellent at framing and misdirection. Their policies are always about destruction, power and control while framing themselves as the party of compassion and equity (not equality).

Not that the Repubs are much better. They really are a uniparty with a distinction without a difference. Our entire system is hopelessly corrupt which is why we're in the trouble we're currently in.

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Actually it's emotionally coherent. Abortion and the vaccination of children and others is driven by fear. The mantra is incoherent and BS. The fear always will win out.

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Maybe because liberals have been hijacked by the progressives who are basically communists who believe in the greater good of the community over individuality. Just my opinion .

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Interestingly, I know many democrats who oppose the vaccine. I don’t know why people connect trumpers with anti -vax. It annoys me that he still brags about operation warpspeed.

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I'm a Democrat and I am against everything about this vaccine. Changing back to independent at the least.

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I’ve been an independent and have voted for both democrats and republicans . Plan to stay that way

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Trump is out of his league with all things science and medicine. At the beginning of this when Fauci took over (because he did), Trump always stood in the back looking like it was a hostage situation.

At one of the last rallys when Trump touted the jabs and got booed he chimed in “I’m not getting the booster. I’m feeling great!”

And then there is the incompetent pharmacist in Baltimore at Walgreens who “accidentally” gave a four year girl an adult dose Covid jab instead of a flu shot:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10041613/Pharmacist-accidentally-gave-girl-4-Covid-vaccine-instead-flu-shot.html

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What was interesting was how the media Pooh Poohed the meds for treating Covid that Trump first talked about just dissed them only because Yrump supported their use. Then other doctors and scientists who concurred were silenced just to get back at Trump. Turns out now Trump was right, those meds are effective and preferable to an experimental vax with a high rate of adverse effects. How many people would now not be living with the potential for life threatening adverse reactions and death as a result of this concerted effort to dismiss all things Trump is/was for? Playing politics by the media has had irreversible damage on the entire world. The MSM should be ashamed of what they e done.

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"I was incredibly disappointed with the result."

Someone will have to do the actual research, but my hypothesis is that the motion failed because the vast majority of people that supported it had literally already fled the state.

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So they want Trump Voters dead too?

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I've heard a couple of people on cable news imply that if "non-vaxers" die from covid then they get what they deserve because "MAGAs" don't believe in science. And on Twitter it's easy to find thousands of people who literally don't care if we die and that the world would be better off.

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The MSM is so vicious right now. Glad I turned them off in 2012 for good.

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Took me until election night 2016.

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And the Vaxers that die from Covid is because they believe the Science would save them...hmmmm.

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Good point! I can't tell if they want Trump voters vaccinated OR they want to force them to comply? Maybe the arrogance (Newsom, London Breed) and rubbing the ability to force something is the pleasure they seek?

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I tell liberal co-workers "there is no way I'm get that Trump vaccine." Then I stand back and look at their reactions.

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Ha, me too!

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hahahahahaha :)

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Hilarious

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I might need to borrow this!

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“How does one man assert his power over another, Winston?“

Winston thought. “By making him suffer”, he said.

“Exactly. By making him suffer. Obedience is not enough. Unless he is suffering, how can you be sure that he is obeying your will and not his own?"

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They get off watching you suffer because that's how they know they have power over you.

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Exactly right!

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Bingo. They ENJOY it. What about that don't people get?

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TDS is doing far more damage to this country and there doesn’t seem to be an end to it.

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I am sure we here all did. A lot of people voted to recall. The vote by mail system is total trash, easy for a party in power to manipulate. And now it is mandated permanently.

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Agreed. That other Governor EO that he signed guarantees the end of any pretense of "free and fair" elections. Done. It's crazy. People might start to wake up but where I live (Bay Area), they are INSANE.

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My Bay Area brothers head is going to explode when I tell him I’m moving to Tennessee

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The biggest reason we need to take a page from most Euro countries about. They have no electronic or mail in voting because of the potential for manipulating. I D is also required and should be. You need ID for everything else so why when it comes to voting is it suddenly an unreasonable request?

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So many people I know (democrats) voted yes. But it seemed to make no difference.

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It was depressing and surprising how many people in this state voted against the recall. The Dems spent so much on their advertising to generate fear connecting Larry Elder with Trump and to gin up COVID fear.

Fear motivates apparently.

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Fear is ignorance. Larry Elder the black white supremacist...it's ludicrous.

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Fear is the wildcard in every game of chance.

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I also live in the Bay Area. I have only 2 people who have died of Covid both them ironically were fully vaccinated. Something is not right.

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I live is a 60% fully vaxxed area in PA and I know of 5 Covid infections with 1 hospitalization and they were all fully vaxxed !! Yes, something is definitely not right !!

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I watched a video yesterday about the unbridled censorship in China over their vaccine. All it made me think about was how much most of the world right now is being railroaded over the whole affair. It’s global hysteria on steroids!! How long are we all gonna run away from this freaking virus?? If I get it and die then it was my time. Even high risk groups run a great chance of surviving. I just learned yesterday that pregnant women are being advised to get the vax!! INSANITY!!!

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I'm hearing more cases pop up everywhere. These vaccines might be having very modest effect to most.

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Part of nature though is our systems immune function it can and will protect you better than the vax.

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But the argument is they didn’t die....every time .

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It’s been about control since day 1. People need to realize that.

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Yup. And money. There’s always cash involved but power is a form of greed too

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They died of vax injury.

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Most of the people infected with so-called 'covid19' in the hospital now were jabbed. We were down to nothing when the jabbing began.

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To be specific, they are reported as unvaccinated covid deaths, because so many of these cases are within 2 weeks of the first shot, when a certain part of the immune system seems to shut down. They are more susceptible to infection then. Much data around world shows a spike in cases and deaths after mass max campaigns start. Others die within 2 weeks of the second shot from reactions to the spike protein overload. Many times they are counted as unvaxed covid deaths as well.

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I am the CA dad that posted below, I have a gab handle if you want to chat there. We should all be putting our heads together.

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Please share your handle

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I got the hell out of Nazifornia a little over a year ago. I saw this coming. This is the tip of the iceberg. I was also in the Bay area.

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Probably one of the worst things you can do is perpetuate a lie to those around you. If you love your neighbors and friends stand firm in the truth and tell them they are unsafe for children. There will be kids who get these shots who will die, contract permanent disabilities, or will be rendered sterile for the rest of their lives. Never go along to get along when lives are at stake and tyranny is running wild around you. You never know if your leadership on the issue might change the minds of those who respect you.

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Yes. We have to stop the cowardly behavior of worrying what people think about us, or that they might stop being our friend. IF they do, that's on them, and you don't need them (for now). As long as you do it in a loving fashion, it's on them if they don't want to listen or decide you're an insane crackpot. That's how people in cults behave. And I also think there are some people not worth bothering with - the ones so indoctrinated that their ability to think critically is completely gone.

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Thank you! I have just been through a rather dark night of the soul while dealing with this issue over the past few months. I have had Incredible feelings of judgement and shame for not fitting into my dominant peer group anymore. But I have realized that so much (90%?)of it is projection as I am dealing with my own stuck stuffed muck from long ago. When we have these isolating and judged feelings, it's good to look inside and clear whatever self-judgement and loathing may be left deep down. Since realizing this, and working on centering myself, I've been able to speak my truth without fear, and try to wake up others. After doing a fair amount of research into this covid clown world, I feel it is my duty to our free society to do so. Sounds like psycho-babble perhaps, but it really opened my eyes and heart to look within.

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Agree so much, Susan. It also made me aware of just how programmed we are! We have been groomed to be docile sheep and to listen to authority. I always had an independent/contrary streak, and I question everything, but I was surprised still at the beginning of this thing, I didn't question mask-wearing. Now I understand it's part of the psychosis. Along with the seemingly new Covid Religion that people have been culted into.

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You are so right. Having some people stop speaking to you because of a difference of opinion is worth the possibility that even one child might be spared. This is a nightmare. It’s gonna get worse so stand strong. Listen to the little voice that tells you something isn’t right.

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Kids are not unionized!

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They don't call them Students' Unions.......

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Are the HPV vaccines mandated? I don't believe they are on the "childhood required immunization schedule" for Public School kids. Why is that? STD's are very contagious and very popular. It can also lead to cervical cancer, tongue/mouth cancers, etc. Still not mandated but Covid (not flu) are. Insane!

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There should be a STD passport for Bars and Night Clubs, since it's becoming required for Covid. Well, there goes the night life !!

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Abstinence is a much safer prevention for STDs. Some young people have been seriously vaccine-injured by the HPV vaccine.

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Are you allowed any exemptions in CA? Religious or medical?

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Drs in CA can only write 5 medical exemptions a year before they are investigated. Schools have to maintain 95% vaccination status. We eliminated personal belief exemptions in 2016. Religious are in question but should be under “state funded place of accommodation” however exemptions mean they have to provide accommodation- which in this case would be - at home independent study.

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Truth!!! The whole thing is just surreal.

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They are not mandated

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I've never heard an explanation why a traditional vaccine cannot work on corona virus.

The flue virus is also a corona virus. The flue vaccine is a traditional vaccine. I admit, this is way outside of my area of expertise. That said, why won't the technology that is well-known and well-understood work on THIS virus?

Medications that treat chronic afflictions, like insulin for diabetes, are big money-makers for pharma companies.

To me it looks like the need to have the corona virus vaccine repeated periodically is a feature, not a bug. At the same time, it's impossible to know the long term effects of these novel vaccines.

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Traditional Vax vs mRNA Vax. mRNA technology has been touted 20 years or more and Big Pharma boasted about it becoming the perfect overhaul for traditional vaccines which use dead viruses. However, no one could make an mRNA vaccine that worked or that didn't cause test animals to die.

Then comes covid, and like magic suddenly the mRNA technology works just fine although NEVER tested on humans. But Big Pharma got to work right away manufacturing mRNA vaxes for covid and began contracting sales/distribution plans with various countries for Billions of $$$.

I believe the USA covid vaccines were made with untested mRNA technology because Millions of $$$ had already been invested on its development over the decades, and because Big Pharma bragged about it for so long.

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Agree. Moderna (partnering with NIH (Fauci was the signer) put mRNA patents through, all animal testing failed, they pulled the plug on this venture in 2016. Moderna had no other purpose. It has only one product to date= mRNA vax in a Pandemic. The Perfect Storm. Moderna stock price 1/31/20 = $20.21. Moderna stock price 9/10/21 = $449.38. Landscapers have done this too. Plant the leyandiis and 30 years later get paid $$$ to remove them. Excellent business model.

I don't want to compare Mankind with invasive shrubs, but those on a high level do just that.

I agree about the investment angle, but investors (smart ones ) know deeply what they are investing in. Long term returns at any cost.....hey we need our returns!

Open your eyes good people.

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Moderna = ModeRNA. MRNA. Open your eyes.

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Bowie saw it coming 50 years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-AMec7yr7c

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The Common Cold is a Fact of Life. Hey it wiped out the aliens in War of the Worlds! The flu virus is indeed a coronavirus, and has the ability to mutate rapidly and spread, while getting less dangerous (don't ever kill the host - mankind). Ever heard the expression "...if I had a cure for the common cold..."?. It's impossible to create an antidote. Even the flu virus is a hit or miss. 9 months before the flu vax is rolled out across the northern hemisphere, there are at least 6 chicken viruses becoming prevalent in China, and pharma companies can only pick one of those 6 and work on a "flu vax". It's a gamble. Most times, the flu vax is 25% effective. But hey - eveyone who gets that shot thinks they have an iron dome around them, while in reality their own immune system will handle it. Unless you are elderly, or have co-morbidities. The Weak always succumb.

You are spot on about the money-making perspective. I won't go down the rabbit hole of cr*p food many folks eat vs. diabetes rates soaring. Just take your vitamins (B complex C, D) L-Lysine is a powerful anti-viral, stay healthy, try not to be obese, eat clean (that includes meat!), don't but into the propaganda, listen to your body, buy a nebulizer and saline solution (in case of a case).

Technology is not God. In fact, the data seems to show technology is the very opposite. Do not put your faith in something that generates profit at your personal expense. There's always a catch...

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I have been taking Vitamin C and Garlic supplements for 35 years and have not had a single cold in all those years. I have added Zinc and Vitamin D3 to prevent Covid-19. live a healthy lifestyle as others have said and you will avoid most colds and other diseases. Just be sure to get the best quality supplements you can afford.

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So true Quiltlady. Thank you. You listen to your body and the old advice. Totally agree about the quality of supplements, Love the fact you have never had a cold! Stay true to old advice and self protection. You should be proud that you go by nature and not the latest jabs. Vit C & D, and garlic, melatonin, l-lysine, coq-10, anything this natural world gives you - take it. OK we are living in a strange world these days, no excuse for not taking your vits and supps. I would be careful about Zinc, as a heavy metal, I feel it should be reactive not proactive. But your body will let you know. Thanks Quiltlady for reminding us about what naturally works! This is Key Advice. Thank you for your wisdom.

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Respectfully, just to clarify, the flu virus is not a coronavirus, but both are RNA viruses. Influenza belongs to family Orthomyxoviridae vs. SARS-CoV-2 belongs to family Coronaviridae. Antigenic shift can allow (and has allowed) influenza to become more dangerous. Contrasted with influenza antigenic drift, which is akin to mutations that occur with SARS-CoV-2 giving rise to variants.

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Thank you for the clarification. That is one of the reasons I appreciate these sites that allow us to share information. I always appreciate an opportunity to learn.

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Thank you Making waves for clarifying the difference between the cold and flu viruses. My post was not scientifically correct and I regret that. I try to stick with the facts. The last thing I want to do is promote misinformation, so your correction is appreciated.

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No worries, thank you Sunshine. I feel like we all wouldn't want to be called misinformation these days (sometimes I still can't believe it's happening). I only want everyone armed with facts and truth, since that's how we dispel darkness. I don't want to give "them" the excuse to jump down anyone's throat. If I went to school for years for this stuff, I only want to help share the information to the best of my ability:)

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If this is your area of expertise, I am even more appreciative of a correction. 100% agree we keep the "i's" dotted and "t's" crossed, or else we are not factually bulletproof. And eventually, it will all come down to the facts. At least we hope so. Bizarre days indeed. That said, have you come across this article https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3563? Seems Covid was here for years, with a significant percentage of major cities having a significant number of T Cell immunity: "In a study of donor blood specimens obtained in the US between 2015 and 2018, 50% displayed various forms of T cell reactivity to SARS-CoV-2.511 A similar study that used specimens from the Netherlands reported T cell reactivity in two of 10 people who had not been exposed to the virus."

T Cells seem to be coming to the front now, so I find this fascinating.

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Some sources claim that no one has ever actually isolated the virus, dead or alive. Can't make a vaccine for something you can't see under a microscope.

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I've read that, and to me it's believable.

Yet, vaccines have been produced for other viruses. How were THOSE viruses isolated? Why don't the same techniques apply?

There may be very good technical reasons. Someone who really knows their virology can explain it in terms a dummy like me can understand.

My woke 20-something niece thinks that b/c Pfizer wrote a paper about their vaccine, and it's been peer-reviewed, that's good enough for her.

I'm not as trusting as she is.

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trusting is another word for naive.

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The current covid-19 virus is from the family of Coronaviridae (aka coronaviruses).

The flu is an influenza virus - family is Orthomyxoviridae. They are quite different one from another.

This might be an informative article - https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2020-04-17/coronavirus-vaccine-ian-frazer/12146616

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Correct BC. Making waves called me out on this further down. It is good to have fact checkers. Happy to be corrected on anything, I try to stick with the facts. OTOH if you are female you are also familiar with the "Man Flu", so the two can be interchangeable at times!

From Making waves: "Respectfully, just to clarify, the flu virus is not a coronavirus, but both are RNA viruses. Influenza belongs to family Orthomyxoviridae vs. SARS-CoV-2 belongs to family Coronaviridae. Antigenic shift can allow (and has allowed) influenza to become more dangerous. Contrasted with influenza antigenic drift, which is akin to mutations that occur with SARS-CoV-2 giving rise to variants."

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there are attenuated virus vaccines for corona in livestock but they are considered much more dangerous. I read some info here: https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/bovine-coronavirus-and-us . Apparently the Novavax will be attenuated virus.

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No, novavax is a protein based vaccine , so they are injecting a fixed amount of the spike protein in your body vs mrna/dna vector vaccines which make your body the spike protein factory. I believe there is a French vaccine coming out that is an attenuated virus .

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"There are several vaccine types currently being pursued including mRNA, DNA, recombinant protein, virus-like particle, and live-attenuated or killed virus. With the potential exception of live, attenuated virus vaccines, the general goal is to induce adaptive immune response resulting in high-affinity IgG against S or N viral capsid proteins. However, unless care is taken to modify the protein sequences to remove or inactivate regions highly associated with ADE, if this is even possible, we may produce vaccines that enhance, rather than protect against, severe SARS-CoV-2 infection. This could be particularly problematic in children, with their reduced risk of severe infection."

Wang, J., & Zand, M. (2021). The potential for antibody-dependent enhancement of SARS-CoV-2 infection: Translational implications for vaccine development. Journal of Clinical and Translational Science, 5(1), E2. doi:10.1017/cts.2020.39

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I say regarding Covid-19 that if children up to 18 are 99.6% likely to survive (most who are healthy with no more than a cold-type flu), then they should be off-limits for these jabs.

It is unconscionable to allow children under 18 to receive these jabs unless they are unhealthy, obese, diabetics etc., especially with the myocarditis problem being studied.

I think Newsom’s mandate that ALL California kids must be jabbed in public and private schools will backfire on him, especially while his biggest donors, the teachers, are exempt.

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I didn’t know teachers were exempt. I know that lausd is mandating for students 12 and up as well as teachers and staff. I read that prison guard union is also exempt as they paid millions to his recall campaign. So tell me this is about health and not politics .

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Did you vote for said governor? Honestly?

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Absolutely not. I am planning my escape from this woke nonsense.

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California used to be the greatest state in the nation until the democrats did to it what they are doing to the country. From middle class dominated to a handful of white, liberal elitists and a tremendous majority of poor, minorities willing to vote for them at all costs. Coming to a state near you.

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I’m praying my daughters and their spouses do not allow this “vaccine” to be injected into my grandchildren.

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Funny- my m-in-law asked if ours was getting her first dose on her 12 bday in a few weeks 🤦🏼‍♀️ Wanna switch? 😂

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And when they are damages there will be no one to help. No lawyers to call. No liability. You’re out on your own. This is one of the biggest reasons to refuse!

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same with me

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Pure evil. The hill is here people, make a stand. It’s now or never.

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California family here. Fortunately we seem to have until July 2022. So we can see this year out. We think maybe one year of independent study after that. Then our plan is to move out of the state if the insanity is still on high.

He's even mandating for little kids when they haven't even had emergency approval for the shot yet.

Does anyone think this could all be blocked via a lawsuit?

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I am contacting a lawyer already

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The current CA law for school requirements states that vaccines for non-listed diseases "added" to school requirements for first admissions "only if exemptions are allowed for both medical reasons **and personal beliefs**."

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?sectionNum=120338.&nodeTreePath=44.2.1&lawCode=HSC

"Notwithstanding Sections 120325 and 120335, any immunizations deemed appropriate by the department pursuant to paragraph (11) of subdivision (a) of Section 120325 or paragraph (11) of subdivision (b) of Section 120335, may be mandated before a pupil’s first admission to any private or public elementary or secondary school, child care center, day nursery, nursery school, family day care home, or development center, only if exemptions are allowed for both medical reasons and personal beliefs.

(Added by Stats. 2015, Ch. 35, Sec. 3. (SB 277) Effective January 1, 2016.)"

Use previous button to see what "11" refers to in both cases:

"(11) Any other disease deemed appropriate by the department, taking into consideration the recommendations of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices of the United States Department of Health and Human Services, the American Academy of Pediatrics, and the American Academy of Family Physicians."

There seems to be a loophole for the currently-admitted.

Also they can just change the law, easily. There's no protection against medical coercion in the CA bill of rights, just like every other state constitution.

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A Voice for Choice Advocacy has warned this was inevitable, given Governor Newsom was not recalled. For K-12 staff, religious and medical exemption must be allowed per Title VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act. For K-12 students a personal belief exemption and a medical exemption must be allowed if the California Public Health Department creates the requirement, per current CA statute. While the COVID-19 vaccine will only be required under this order, when the vaccine is fully FDA approved for each grade span, Governor Newsom encouraged individual school districts to accelerate this.

It was made very clear in this press conference that legislators will work to remove the personal belief exemption in 2022. This Executive Order is a calculated set up for that legislation. It will allow legislators, such as Senators Pan and Wiener and Assembly Members Wicks and Weber, to quantify the number of personal belief exemptions statewide and thereby validate the need to remove the personal belief exemption. Remember in 2015, when the legislature removed the personal belief exemption for all the other school required childhood vaccines, the personal belief exemption rate was 2.7% of all school children. So for the COVID-19 vaccine anything below a 97.5% vaccination rate will justify the legislature removing the personal belief exemption. Do NOT submit a personal beleif exemption unless your child is actively being mandated to get the COVID-19 vaccination, as you only add to their data.

While A Voice for Choice Advocacy’s anticipation of such a requirement, has meant we have been strategically planning with our two lobbyists in Sacramento to counter such legislation, if history has a bearing, it will be extremely difficult to do so. Our expectation is that by January 2023 all children in California attending K-12 school in-person will have to be fully vaccinated for COVID-19 (including boosters), with only a medical exemptions available. As is the case with other required childhood vaccines, medical exemptions will be required to be entered into the CAIR-ME system and will only be allowed for children who have contraindications or precautions to the vaccine (https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/clinical-considerations/covid-19-vaccines-us.html). Existing vaccine medical exemptions will be unlikely to be grandfathered. AKA it will be impossible to get a medical exemption for the COVID-19 vaccine.

Children with special needs, on Individualized Education Programs (IEPs), are expected to be able to continue attending in person under the Federal Disabilities Act. If your child is not on an IEP, your options will be to vaccinate, homeschool/independent study or move out of state. As I have said many times, if you don’t want to be forced to get the COVID-19 vaccine you have to have a Plan B. On the school K-12 COVID-19 vaccination front, having to implement your Plan B for your children may come as soon as July 2023.

K-12 Student COVID-19 Vaccine Executive Order Details:

The COVID-19 vaccine will be added to other vaccinations required for in-person school attendance. Those in independent study or homeschool will be exempt.

Students will be required to be vaccinated for in person learning starting the term (January 1st or July 1st) following FDA full approval of the vaccine for their grade span (grades K-6 and 7-12).

Students who are under the age of full approval, but within the grade span, will be required to be vaccinated once they reach the age of full approval (with a reasonable period of time to receive both doses).

Requirements established by regulation, not legislation, must be subject to exemptions “for both medical reasons and personal beliefs.” CDPH will formulate the form to be used.

K-12 Staff COVID-19 Vaccine Executive Order Details:

All staff will be required to be vaccinated no later than when the requirement takes effect for students. The current verify-or-test requirement for staff will be converted to a vaccine mandate no later than when the first phase of the student requirement becomes effective.

The full Executive Order can be read here: https://www.gov.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/California-Becomes-First-State-in-Nation-to-Announce-COVID-19-Vaccine-to-List-of-Required-School-Vaccinations.pdf

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I’m at a fully open in n out in carlsbad rn and as usual the kids look like t-shirt clad royalty. I bet all their parents work in biotech and none have been vaccinated. Something’s got to give in CA

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Actually, reading the nytimes article on the story, it sounds like changing the law to write the Covid vaccines into the main list is exactly what they are planning to do.

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Pfizer CEO came out and said that we will need to have the annual booster probably for the rest of our life. Seriously. Youngster at 10 gets a shot. At 75 if he wants to take an airplane to visit his nephew. Sir have you had your Covid vaccine and all boosters. No I almost died from it. Airplane sorry you can’t board

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Sue. Sue. Sue. Discovery will be amazing.

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@eric go to letthembreathe.net their tab let them choose is suing the state.

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Find in this piece a hot link to a CA law firm that has represented parents fighting both school closures and mandatory masking in schools. Possibly a resource to fight vaccine mandates, too.

https://spectatorworld.com/topic/school-closures-trial-lawsuit-mental-health/

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Another unreported concern is that exposure to the spike protein raises the risk of autoimmune reactions to more than two dozen tissues, including neurological tissue. Every booster means increased risk. We are already in the midst of unprecedented rates of autoimmune disease (a disease of industrialization). Autoimmunity and autommine brain development disorders are already skyrocketing in children. This often begins in utero thanks to undiagnosed maternal autoimmunity. Some researchers have predicted we will see an even bigger rise in autoimmunity. But here’s the part that sucks: Medicine is woefully inadequate at recognizing and treating autoimmunity until it’s in advanced stages of significant tissue damage. The average patient must see multiple doctors over many years to get a diagnosis while suffering from symptoms, gaslighting, and minimizing. So while this will rage on, medical ignorance and acquiescence to the dominant narrative will continue sweeping adverse effects under the rug. Most of us have vaccine injury and death stories among our networks. How many children will have to be sacrificed for the tipping point to be reached?

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I have Chron's disease, from DNA testing it has been established that most patients diagnosed with it have eastern European ancestry which is one of the contributors causing the disease.

I started having symptoms in 1990 and it took until 2003 to get a handle on it. Cedars Sinai in LA has a world renowned staff of doctors who have dealt with it for years, I was one of the first patients to take Remicade then Humira after they came off clinical trials. It greatly reduced my symptoms but 4 years later I suffered from 2 different cancers which I was warned could happen, I survived all of that and we have found a regimen of therapeutics for me that works. That is one of the reasons I am so against the insanity of the Covid vaccines. I have experienced the side effects of an FDA "approve" medication fortunately I survived but no one knows right now the short term effects, they are being suppressed, and there is no way to know the long term effects at this point, For all we know we are putting a huge portion of our population, many needlessly, to satisfy a mad scientist.

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Absolutely. Nut allergies are through the roof for decades. Our kids will just get more and more chronically unwell which just means more and more $$ for big pharma.

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Pollution doesn't cause nut allergies.

I was born in 82. Likely the peak era for amount of pollution that was normal to encounter in the home. Later, tons of on-the-job exposure to nasty chemicals over the last two decades. I don't have any auto-immune issues.

What I wasn't exposed to, is the new normal for childhood vaccines.

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You can’t use you as an example that applies to everyone. Genetic, immune, and environmental susceptibility vary wildly from person to person.

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If ~1/10 - 1/100 kids have autoimmune issues, and I have had ~10,000 times the exposure to synthetic oils, CO / diesel exhaust, mold, second-hand cigarette smoke, airborne powdered mercury, airborne gypsum, heated grill metal, etc. etc. of any single living child, it gets a bit far-fetched to blame pollution for their issues from where I stand. I was ambivalent on this subject for a long time, until I looked at the current childhood vaccine schedule. It's as much stuff in the first 12 months as I had my entire life.

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"I was ambivalent on this subject for a long time, until I looked at the current childhood vaccine schedule. It's as much stuff in the first 12 months as I had my entire life."

Pretty interesting (and potentially frightening) when you think about it. The only other plausible possibilities that come to mind are the exponential rise in plastic use (and its subsequent "decay") and nutrient loss in foods due to soil depletion. I think, also, that the "American diet" and its subsequent negative effect on overall metabolic health could also be driving immune deficiencies and developmental disorders.

It's also possible that it's not so much the problems/disorders that have increased, but our willingness to diagnose/treat things.

Tough nut to crack.

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Not when you start looking at the 100s and 100s of studies. It’s just not sexy for the media.

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Exactly! I became a vaccine questioner about five years ago when I saw a vaccine schedule for the first time since my daughter was in school. The number of required shots had exploded - twice what my daughter got and three times what I got growing up. Not okay!

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Just look at the research. There are tons of triggers for autoimmunity. Environmental pollutants are among them. Genetics play a role. Again, you can’t use yourself as a yardstick.

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I'm sure there's non-zero "environmentally" triggered autoimmunity, especially in areas that have enough persistent airborne pollution to impact the respiratory and gut microbiomes.

If you can list a single study showing that per-capita childhood exposure to pollution has gone up in the US in the last 40 years, be my guest.

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Peanut proteins are used in childhood vaccines that can cause many kids to have an allergy to them. Pharma knows this but nut allergies have made them a fortune so they leave it in the Ingredients.

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I couldn’t have said that better myself. Living with autoimmune diseases is isolating and frustrating. I began waking up when I was first diagnosed. I haven’t trusted doctors ever since.

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I suffered a brain aneurysm in September of 2007. They did surgery through a catheter and put a coil of metal wire in the aneurysm. That stopped the bleeding and all was assumed to be well. In July of 2009 I was diagnosed with Sjogrens Syndrome. In researching that disease, I discovered that there is a theory that a trauma to the brain can trigger the gene for Sjogren's Syndrome. A short time later I was diagnosed with Reynauds, another autoimmune disease. I set about improving my overall health by changing my eating habits and exercising more and my health improved. If all the autoimmune diseases are genetic in nature, and there are over 100 of them, then almost anyone could be vulnerable. It is estimated that as many as 4 million people in the United States could have Sjogrens alone. Because Doctors don't have a bacteria, virus or other pathogen to kill, they don't really know how to help their patients, since that's about all they know about making people "well". The pharmaceutical companies are having a field day coming up with drugs that may help with the symptoms of these conditions, none of which I will take as they all have nasty side effects. Improve your health any way you can by natural methods. Take care and keep praying for those that are suffering.

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Oh wow! I have been diagnosed with Lupus, Sjogrens and Raynauds. I am sorry you have to deal with this. I know what you are fighting against. #spoonielife

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This is soooo common among people with autoimmunity. And I personally feel and have seen many people with chronic health disorders call the vaccines ableist. Many are walking a fine line between function and health failure. I’ve seen the vax cause huge long flare ups in many (though not all).

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Well, Newsom also mandated that CA children don't have to tell their parents before getting an abortion or sex change operation. So why wouldn't he mandate Covid vaccines for teenagers? He's the embodiment of American Psycho.

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Why isn't there a "Pitch Fork" Revolution in California? How much more abuse will the People take?

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I've lived in California for over 50 years and was trying to make it another 18 months before leaving. Commiefornia has been lost for a long time... Unfortunately once it became a state of the political elite and the legislature became a super majority there's nothing that can be done. I told everyone who would listen that this was going to happen if he wasn't recalled. I actually thought he would roll out a vaccine passport system first, but I am sure that will be next. If you can't tell already, California will be nothing but politicians, Hollywood elites and illegal immigrants. All the smart people are leaving!!

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Although I do not disagree and often feel the same- Let’s not forget about industries that can’t thrive anywhere else. From SD to Eureka there is a who bunch of small business, independent, commercial fishermen along the coast who supply the nation and the world with Fish (while paying a premium to live near their “office”). Many are not wealthy, but only have this one specific trade skill built on generations of knowledge. CA & USA Fishermen are among the most regulated in the world, over seen by either Nat. Marine fisheries (feds) or dept of fish & wildlife (state) They have had to comply- or fold- with every regulation thrown at them, they cannot do their jobs anywhere else because CA many species caught in CA are specific and Ocean knowledge is not a classroom skill. I would venture to Say that Dairy Farmers and anyone else in Agriculture can probably say the same. - just can’t speak to that because I know nothing about it. We can’t all run, so we stay and fight, as futile as it may be. We have to have HOPE that people will start waking up to the hypocrisy. Which is why I even comment - because maybe I know about something that can help someone, and why I read comments, b/c maybe I will learn something that can help me 🤷‍♀️. That’s all we can do right? (And pray)

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I agree. Btw, I have been subscribing to GetHooked for two years. Love every single share we get.

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I agree. But 53 inland counties voted to recall him. I think the eastern inland may secede.

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Yes I am pro the new "national divorce" idea. David Reaboi's stack is a good place for discussion of it.

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"Yes I am pro the new "national divorce" idea."

The divisions in this country are real and deep, but (IMO) this is one of the absolute worst solutions.

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I still believe that a national divorce is a last resort but a few more months of what we've seen in the last year and a half and my opinion could change. If my choices are George Orwell's 1984 or a national divorce then it's an easy choice.

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Thanks, will look at his stack.

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That is exactly our timeframe. 18 months till our kid is done with 8th grade. All we wanted was to make it till then. We will see.

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They're just leaving. We have lost several families from my church to other states. We're in the process as well.

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Yeah we would love to see our boy through 8th grade at his school, then we are gone baby gone, and our little piece of the tech economy with it.

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That makes sense. We see a lot of friends moving out of Washington too. Oddly enough, people from states like new York are moving into our neighborhood now that they can work online. The red states will probably get more red and the blue more blue. The only exception would probably be Nevada. Californians want to move there for the cheaper lifestyle but close enough drive back to california. Once I leave here I have no plans on ever even visiting again.

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Good question. My dad's family came to the Central CA Coast in the 1840s. They were involved with some sketchy people - apparently hid out Frank and Jesse James when they were on the lam. But I think the James brothers were preferable to the stupid Hollywood and other vulture elites of coastal California.

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CA has a massive water crisis, there is no water but the governor decided that covid mandate for kids was better.

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I live on the central coast too.

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I just moved from Salinas to Fort Bragg last year. After 30 years, I could no longer afford the housing there.

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I have a longtime friend who moved to Fort Bragg years ago. It's beautiful but seems awfully NPR, or maybe that's just him and his wife.

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I agree and I don't understand. I think a lot of liberals crave abuse.

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Yep. Unhinged.

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Me too. He has an 80s cokeheadlook.

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Mr. Berenson:

I implore you to make this your number one priority in reporting. This is DEMOCIDE. There is NO medical justification for vaccinating children at statistically zero chance of dying from Covid. There is only the risk of death and serious adverse reactions from the vaccinations. Please quantify the risks for the public. Help them understand the estimated number of deaths that will result from this. If we do not protect those incapable of protecting themselves (our children), what kind of nation are we?

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A nation that has aborted over 65 million babies since 1973.

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THIS is the direct result of Facebook/YouTube/Twitter censorship of any and all reports of covid vaccine failures and side effects. Most parents have no clue what they are signing their kids up for.

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An old friend made a post on FB two days ago. It said her 12 year old daughter was having a very high fever after getting the covid vaccine. And people commented “that means it’s working”. I wanted to throw up. I think it’s child abuse.

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It puts the vaccine in the basket or else it gets the hose again

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LOL…this is great. I needed to laugh this morning. All this stuff has me so down.

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Exactly. It's hard to blame people. I have to try to suffer fools gladly. But I weep for all the kids who will have lifelong heart problems soon.

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We should definitely blame these brainwashed parents. It's one thing to inject this poison in your own body, it's another thing to not do your job as a parent and protect your children. They have failed to do their due diligence because they are lazy and irresponsible and would rather let the government tell them what to do. We absolutely have to hold these parents responsible. They aren't lining up their children to get the jab for health reasons, it's so they can virtue signal and show the world how woke they are.

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They care more about what other parents think about them than whether they are looking out for their children. Approval > child.

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I think these parents really believe covid is that deadly for their children....they aren’t doing to virtue signal but bc they are afraid for their lives. If you listen to fraudci, you will certainly believe that many kids will land in the icu with covid if they don’t get vaccinated . Yes this corrupt bureaucrat who has financial interests in the Moderna vaccines and was certainly involved in funding gain of function in Wuhan using our taxpayer money.

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I agree. My sister and her husband are teachers and so completely ignorant of anything but what they have been told. Mask the kids everywhere and can't wait to vaccinate them because "she will never be able to live with herself when her 5 yo ends up in ICU dying of Covid ". They absolutely refuse to listen to even the most common sense information against the narrative. It keeps me awake at night racking my brain for some way to get through to them.

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Amy do you and your sister get along? Will your sister let you see her kids (assuming you are not vaccinated but I could be wrong). I have friends whose siblings refuse them to be near their unvaccinated children . It’s truly maddening and sad .

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We get along, but can't discuss anything deeper than basic info about our lives. We aren't in the same state so I don't know what would happen if we wanted to see them. However, my brother and his family live near them and are also unvaccinated (as we are not), and they were just told not to come to their house for a family birthday party. Our Mom has tried to share all the things that I have researched and learned and my sister tells her I can't know because I am not in the medical field. Ugh like that means I can't think and disseminate information. I don't even try to talk about it with her anymore because 8 know it would sever our relationship. She is everything we hate about all of this. Masks her kids everywhere also. I have reached the point where I just want to punch those moms in the face lol lol, so I just avoid the issue with her. It's so frustrating and heartbreaking.

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I am not as patient with these parents as you because at this point willful ignorance is no longer an excuse. I am come from a family of physicians and I see Pediatricians believe this crap despite the fact that none of their patients have gotten symptomatic Covid. Kids breeze thru Covid with no problems and most of the time they have no symptoms. None of their patients are in the ICU or hospitalized. So despite seeing with their own eyes that Covid is not a risk to children, they still push the vaxx. Doctors have become nothing more but drug pushers. They are no different than the med reps that work for these pharma companies.

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I don’t understand the pediatricians pushing the vaccine when the risk for myocarditis in young boys is higher with vaxx than hospitalization from covid

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People argue that myocarditis can be resolved but do we really understand the longterm risks of permanent heart muscle damage??

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You don’t take risks with your brain and heart.

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Myocarditis has a 72% 5 year mortality rate. Those lives might not be long. This was our plane hit the building moment. Do not remain at your desks.

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Thank you for this. Chiming in with the CA parents — I have a 7 and 10 year old in public school. Yes, it’s not just the politicians — The zeal with which most parents I know here in SF want this for their grade school kids by Halloween is out of an actual horror flick. I spent the day feeling heartsick and looking into jobs / real estate elsewhere. This is just awful. Stay strong everyone!

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Thank you, I think I am insane for thinking otherwise, but I am happy to know i am not alone

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I think you and others vastly underestimate myocarditis risk from the COVID shots. Please keep in mind the majority of myocarditis victims have no symptoms at onset. Yet mortality is 20% after one year, and between 50 and 72% at 5 years, the range being due to clinical overlap and ambiguity between myocarditis and other myocardial injury. In my substack on myocarditis, I look for possible paths to (1) receive a perpetual spike protein generating mechanism, aka COVID vaccine, while (2) hoping to avoid a mortal wound. I can't find any likely biochemical paths.

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I couldn’t believe it when the media told Americans it was not a serious risk. My son will be forced to get the vax or be fired from his job. He’s 23, and I am just constantly worried about this risk as well as the myriad of other risks.

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I think later he will look back, and say thank God I did not get that shot, in order to keep that job. He should take stock of all the risks:

One of my substack articles describes all known major risks of the COVID shot. Please have him read that first, before his decision.

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I wish that were the case. He advised he was thinking about getting the J&J vaccine. I did send him the link to the article you mention here. Thank you!

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"Please keep in mind the majority of myocarditis victims have no symptoms at onset. Yet mortality is 20% after one year, and between 50 and 72% at 5 years, the range being due to clinical overlap and ambiguity between myocarditis and other myocardial injury."

This needs to be publicly stated more often.

The shot-pushers will say, "look how many millions of people we injected that didn't immediately drop dead; it's obviously safe!"

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I keep hearing that the form of myocarditis caused by the vaccines is benign and most people make a full recovery. But my understanding of myocarditis is that it is irreversible and the damage is permanent because heart tissue does not regenerate naturally. Any thoughts or reflections on this?

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You are correct that myocarditis did not suddenly become benign. Please see quote from widely cited pathologist Roger Hodkinson addressing this very question of yours, in my substack article on myocarditis risk.

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You Are Correct !! Heart Damage is Permanent , Only the degree of damage remains to be determine over time !!

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Reality is we dont know what the natural history of myocarditis from Covid jabs is. We dont know. It could resolve and be benign - or it could be potentially devastating to 10's of thousands of children.

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We know for a fact that myocarditis is never benign. It is unacceptably reckless to vaccinate now and regret later.

Pathologist Roger Hodkinson:

“Myocarditis is never mild, particularly in young healthy males. It’s an inflammation of the heart muscle, the pump of the body. And we don’t know what percent of the heart muscle cells would have died in any one attack of myocarditis. The big thing about heart muscle, heart muscle fibers, is that they do not regenerate, . . . so you’re stuck with an unknown percentage of your heart muscle cells having died. We can’t estimate the number, and therefore the long-term results are utterly unpredictable. We do know . . . that myocarditis can present decades later, with premature onset of heart failure that would otherwise not have been expected. So it’s a terrible worry for these people to know what’s going to happen to them in the future. . . . It’s not trivial.”

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I dont disagree that vaccinating children is reckless. But we need more information. I know a little about cardiac physiology...

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Can the kids identify as vaccinated?

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Since biology is a fake system of colonial oppression, obviously they can 😂😂

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California is populated primarily with single, childless, crazy cat people. Requiring cats to be vaccinated would cause outrage in opposition.

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There are a lot of crazy people, but there are decent, sane people, too. I’m a CA native: born and raised. My aging parents are here. My husband’s job is here. We’re not all crazy and childless.

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Me too! Born here raised elsewhere but returned. No my kids are native Californians but I am encouraging them to go elsewhere to college to get away from it all. It's not what it was. The worship of government has completely changed it. Politics IS the religion here.

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California is driving out every offbeat interesting person that they used to attract. It is turning into a sterile Frankfurt with good weather and views for the rich. And Calcutta for the rest.

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💯

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It’s the demonic leadership that’s the problem.

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Being single and childless gives me an opportunity to research and write about covid vaccines. I love cats (and dogs) too. We're not all crazy.

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True, not all are crazy!

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Nothing wrong with cat people!

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I definitely live in an area of California there this is true. My teens always complain about the lack of young people

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To everyone thinking, “Well, it’s just in California”, they’re coming for your children next. Where is our “line in the sand”? How many children’s deaths will it take before we say, “Enough!”?

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Yes!!! Please learn from our failures- so it has some value. Stop it before it comes to your town/ state 🙏

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Not sure if real, but apparently 56%, a majority, support Biden's vaccine mandates. These zombies are the real enemy, even more than the "experts" that fool them.

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I believe a lot of this is buyer's remorse. Those that bought it hook, line and sinker early now regret it and want others to validate their decision. Misery loves company.

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preach

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The great irony is that most of these parents have lived in absolute terror for their children since the pandemic began but now they have no worries injecting a new vaccine into their children. Their terror was so great that they forced their small children to wear masks and were fine with them not going to school. They forced children to social distance, depriving them of the human interaction that children need so much to become normal, functioning adults. And now, they are going to allow an injection into their children with no data on long term consequences. Already, the risk of myocarditis in young men is greater than the risk of being hospitalized with Covid. But that doesn't stop any of the mandates. The really sad thing is that it is the children who will pay the ultimate price, not the adults who force them into these injections.

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It’s sad, we have a family member who is so careful about doing everything organic for her toddler... won’t let her even go to an amusement park now until a vaccine is available for her age.

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The won't let a kid eat GMO corn chips, but they'll happily GMO the kid.

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It is almost enough to make me get on board with the de-population crowd that I fear is behind this universal vaccine push. Almost.

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