Dr. Scott Atlas said children should NEVER be given a drug under the guise of saving adults. It’s heinous. There are NO long term studies to show what the ramifications will be. This is tantamount to child sacrifice.
This is why I would LOVE to see TRUMP re-elected. He wasn't a politician and was taken advantage of in many ways. However, I believe he is a fast learner and a good student and if he were re-elected I imagine many people would simply quit b/c they KNOW he would CLEAN HOUSE this time and it would be spotless!! I imagine he would hold many accountable and perhaps impact the deep state and bureaucracy.
Interesting Report; The link to the actual slide presentation can be found in the article so the entire AI study can be viewed. The Most important part confirmed is NATURAL IMMUNITY WORKS !!!
Another California mom here. 2 kids in HS. Both fully vaccinated except for Covid. My kids even have HPV vaccines (and I did them for my 18yo when they were brand new). My hubby and I are fully Pfizer vaccinated and I did it more to be part of the guinea pigs so my kids wouldn't have to do it. Now they are forcing it on them. TBH, we lie to folks b/c where we live, people are trying to sneak and get their 4 and 5yo's vaccinated. Like a previous commenter said, "if folks could sell their kids into slavery to keep them safe, they would." The religion around COVID is so strong here in the Bay Area and it is unbelievable b/c I don't really know anyone who knows anyone who has died from it. They still believe it. This is the media's fault. Anyway, I am hopeful that we have until next July b/c my kids LOVE their school, their friends, etc. Despite me wanting to move ASAP, I also know how difficult HS can be at a new school. My hope is that there are lawsuits and lots of them. If the CA Teachers Union can refuse a mandate, how can he mandate that the kids be vaccinated? It makes no sense. I know $$ talks but the optics around this are really bad and very inconsistent.
Did you voted "yes" to recall the governor. Those that did not, or that voted "no" to retain him, really don't have any legs to stand on in opposition to vaccine mandates.
I voted to RECALL him and I signed the original petition. I was incredibly disappointed with the result. So, yes, I can have a voice. I tried to warn all my friends who still vote straight Democrat "b/c they do" that they could no longer complain about lockdowns, etc. Unfortunately, they all think mandatory Covid vaccines are wonderful to get "stupid Trump voters" to get vaccinated.
Trump declared the vaccines were miracles and he was responsible and you should get them, they're good! So ... if Trump says the vaccines are good and you should get them, and his supporters don't, are they really Trump supporters?
All my Trump voting relatives got vaccinated. That's anecdotal, I know.
What's not anecdotal: black people are refusing the shots much more often than any other group. Let's throw that fact back whenever someone tries to make this about Trump voters. It's not.
I'm a Trump voter. His recommendation one way or the other makes not a single bit of difference to me. I like the guy, he's not perfect and he clearly makes mistakes. This is one of them in my opinion. Besides, I have this nasty habit of thinking for myself and I really balk at being made to do anything against my will. Something, Trump would not have done, btw.
I agree that he's been MIA on this, and I think it has to do with his advisors. For a shrewd business guy, he sure makes some awful personnel decisions. From his last rally and interviews, looks like he's been clued in to the vaccine mandate issue and he's spoken out, but not as forcefully as he needs to. I'm betting we'll see him being quite vocal against the mandates.
Me too. Anyone would have been better than HRC so I voted for Trump. I never liked DJT and still don’t . I voted for him over Biden but I don’t want Trump back. I like the MAGA idea and yeah, Gavin is a schmuck, sorry for you guys in Ca..
I’m sick and tired of all sides politicizing a public health issue. Rational people would fight to end regulatory capture and politicization of our supposed watchdogs (FDA, CDC, etc.) and provide a true reasoned response based on science and not TheScience™️. To hell with Trump, Biden, and 99.9% of politicians.
I agree wholeheartedly with you. I’m just boiling it down to what the really insane people hearsay. They equate the unvaccinated with Trump voters. I have tried to present the data about the people of color not wanting to get vaccinated and they literally refute it and say no it is all stupid white evangelicals. You have to bear in mind that in the bay area, people have a very simplistic view of what a Trump voter is and but it is equated wholeheartedly with being unvaccinated. If Trump is still president and he was making this push, you can be sure none of these folks would be getting vaccinated.
I am here in CA and echo your experience. We are unapologetically anti-Newsom and will have “let them choose” signs in our front yard. We started homeschooling 6th grade best decision ever. Hang in there! 💙
My fear is that Dictator Newsom will try to outlaw homeschooling. I truly think that between the hair gel and the cocaine and knowing he has all the evil gazilionnaires on his side that he's going to get worse and worse.
It's so frustrating, isn't it? Like they just want to see it the way they see it, facts be damned.
Like how schools in other parts of the world, or even in other states, have been open, no masks, no social distancing, no problems, yet people still insist that all the covid theater in blue state school is necessary. It's all very weird to me.
Desantis is actually for the same overall Trump policies but is much less hyperbolic and articulate, and gets the job done. I think he is the best choice in 2024. Unfortunately, whether you like him or not, Trump brings the personality factor that turns many off. It’s time to move on to a fresh, younger face and one who is a true Conservative
Sadly, with Casey DeSantis being diagnosed with breast cancer, there is less likelihood of Ron running for President in 2024. I pray that she gets the best treatment and is able to recover quickly but there is no guarantee of anything.
I voted for Trump but because I'm able to process information in my own mind, I think the vaccines are SHIT. Dangerous, society-collapsing DOG-SHIT. Just like what's between Biden's ears
I voted Dems and I just cant get over how everything we are going through would seem to be something Dems oppose but they are all onboard. My body my choice, no discrimination etc.. where did that go?
Do you mean you voted Dem this past election? If so, the red pill right now must be truly difficult to swallow. But the truth is, the Dems have always been excellent at framing and misdirection. Their policies are always about destruction, power and control while framing themselves as the party of compassion and equity (not equality).
Not that the Repubs are much better. They really are a uniparty with a distinction without a difference. Our entire system is hopelessly corrupt which is why we're in the trouble we're currently in.
Actually it's emotionally coherent. Abortion and the vaccination of children and others is driven by fear. The mantra is incoherent and BS. The fear always will win out.
Maybe because liberals have been hijacked by the progressives who are basically communists who believe in the greater good of the community over individuality. Just my opinion .
Interestingly, I know many democrats who oppose the vaccine. I don’t know why people connect trumpers with anti -vax. It annoys me that he still brags about operation warpspeed.
Trump is out of his league with all things science and medicine. At the beginning of this when Fauci took over (because he did), Trump always stood in the back looking like it was a hostage situation.
At one of the last rallys when Trump touted the jabs and got booed he chimed in “I’m not getting the booster. I’m feeling great!”
And then there is the incompetent pharmacist in Baltimore at Walgreens who “accidentally” gave a four year girl an adult dose Covid jab instead of a flu shot:
What was interesting was how the media Pooh Poohed the meds for treating Covid that Trump first talked about just dissed them only because Yrump supported their use. Then other doctors and scientists who concurred were silenced just to get back at Trump. Turns out now Trump was right, those meds are effective and preferable to an experimental vax with a high rate of adverse effects. How many people would now not be living with the potential for life threatening adverse reactions and death as a result of this concerted effort to dismiss all things Trump is/was for? Playing politics by the media has had irreversible damage on the entire world. The MSM should be ashamed of what they e done.
Someone will have to do the actual research, but my hypothesis is that the motion failed because the vast majority of people that supported it had literally already fled the state.
I've heard a couple of people on cable news imply that if "non-vaxers" die from covid then they get what they deserve because "MAGAs" don't believe in science. And on Twitter it's easy to find thousands of people who literally don't care if we die and that the world would be better off.
Good point! I can't tell if they want Trump voters vaccinated OR they want to force them to comply? Maybe the arrogance (Newsom, London Breed) and rubbing the ability to force something is the pleasure they seek?
I am sure we here all did. A lot of people voted to recall. The vote by mail system is total trash, easy for a party in power to manipulate. And now it is mandated permanently.
Agreed. That other Governor EO that he signed guarantees the end of any pretense of "free and fair" elections. Done. It's crazy. People might start to wake up but where I live (Bay Area), they are INSANE.
The biggest reason we need to take a page from most Euro countries about. They have no electronic or mail in voting because of the potential for manipulating. I D is also required and should be. You need ID for everything else so why when it comes to voting is it suddenly an unreasonable request?
It was depressing and surprising how many people in this state voted against the recall. The Dems spent so much on their advertising to generate fear connecting Larry Elder with Trump and to gin up COVID fear.
I live is a 60% fully vaxxed area in PA and I know of 5 Covid infections with 1 hospitalization and they were all fully vaxxed !! Yes, something is definitely not right !!
I watched a video yesterday about the unbridled censorship in China over their vaccine. All it made me think about was how much most of the world right now is being railroaded over the whole affair. It’s global hysteria on steroids!! How long are we all gonna run away from this freaking virus?? If I get it and die then it was my time. Even high risk groups run a great chance of surviving. I just learned yesterday that pregnant women are being advised to get the vax!! INSANITY!!!
To be specific, they are reported as unvaccinated covid deaths, because so many of these cases are within 2 weeks of the first shot, when a certain part of the immune system seems to shut down. They are more susceptible to infection then. Much data around world shows a spike in cases and deaths after mass max campaigns start. Others die within 2 weeks of the second shot from reactions to the spike protein overload. Many times they are counted as unvaxed covid deaths as well.
Probably one of the worst things you can do is perpetuate a lie to those around you. If you love your neighbors and friends stand firm in the truth and tell them they are unsafe for children. There will be kids who get these shots who will die, contract permanent disabilities, or will be rendered sterile for the rest of their lives. Never go along to get along when lives are at stake and tyranny is running wild around you. You never know if your leadership on the issue might change the minds of those who respect you.
Yes. We have to stop the cowardly behavior of worrying what people think about us, or that they might stop being our friend. IF they do, that's on them, and you don't need them (for now). As long as you do it in a loving fashion, it's on them if they don't want to listen or decide you're an insane crackpot. That's how people in cults behave. And I also think there are some people not worth bothering with - the ones so indoctrinated that their ability to think critically is completely gone.
Thank you! I have just been through a rather dark night of the soul while dealing with this issue over the past few months. I have had Incredible feelings of judgement and shame for not fitting into my dominant peer group anymore. But I have realized that so much (90%?)of it is projection as I am dealing with my own stuck stuffed muck from long ago. When we have these isolating and judged feelings, it's good to look inside and clear whatever self-judgement and loathing may be left deep down. Since realizing this, and working on centering myself, I've been able to speak my truth without fear, and try to wake up others. After doing a fair amount of research into this covid clown world, I feel it is my duty to our free society to do so. Sounds like psycho-babble perhaps, but it really opened my eyes and heart to look within.
Agree so much, Susan. It also made me aware of just how programmed we are! We have been groomed to be docile sheep and to listen to authority. I always had an independent/contrary streak, and I question everything, but I was surprised still at the beginning of this thing, I didn't question mask-wearing. Now I understand it's part of the psychosis. Along with the seemingly new Covid Religion that people have been culted into.
You are so right. Having some people stop speaking to you because of a difference of opinion is worth the possibility that even one child might be spared. This is a nightmare. It’s gonna get worse so stand strong. Listen to the little voice that tells you something isn’t right.
Are the HPV vaccines mandated? I don't believe they are on the "childhood required immunization schedule" for Public School kids. Why is that? STD's are very contagious and very popular. It can also lead to cervical cancer, tongue/mouth cancers, etc. Still not mandated but Covid (not flu) are. Insane!
Drs in CA can only write 5 medical exemptions a year before they are investigated. Schools have to maintain 95% vaccination status. We eliminated personal belief exemptions in 2016. Religious are in question but should be under “state funded place of accommodation” however exemptions mean they have to provide accommodation- which in this case would be - at home independent study.
I've never heard an explanation why a traditional vaccine cannot work on corona virus.
The flue virus is also a corona virus. The flue vaccine is a traditional vaccine. I admit, this is way outside of my area of expertise. That said, why won't the technology that is well-known and well-understood work on THIS virus?
Medications that treat chronic afflictions, like insulin for diabetes, are big money-makers for pharma companies.
To me it looks like the need to have the corona virus vaccine repeated periodically is a feature, not a bug. At the same time, it's impossible to know the long term effects of these novel vaccines.
Traditional Vax vs mRNA Vax. mRNA technology has been touted 20 years or more and Big Pharma boasted about it becoming the perfect overhaul for traditional vaccines which use dead viruses. However, no one could make an mRNA vaccine that worked or that didn't cause test animals to die.
Then comes covid, and like magic suddenly the mRNA technology works just fine although NEVER tested on humans. But Big Pharma got to work right away manufacturing mRNA vaxes for covid and began contracting sales/distribution plans with various countries for Billions of $$$.
I believe the USA covid vaccines were made with untested mRNA technology because Millions of $$$ had already been invested on its development over the decades, and because Big Pharma bragged about it for so long.
Agree. Moderna (partnering with NIH (Fauci was the signer) put mRNA patents through, all animal testing failed, they pulled the plug on this venture in 2016. Moderna had no other purpose. It has only one product to date= mRNA vax in a Pandemic. The Perfect Storm. Moderna stock price 1/31/20 = $20.21. Moderna stock price 9/10/21 = $449.38. Landscapers have done this too. Plant the leyandiis and 30 years later get paid $$$ to remove them. Excellent business model.
I don't want to compare Mankind with invasive shrubs, but those on a high level do just that.
I agree about the investment angle, but investors (smart ones ) know deeply what they are investing in. Long term returns at any cost.....hey we need our returns!
The Common Cold is a Fact of Life. Hey it wiped out the aliens in War of the Worlds! The flu virus is indeed a coronavirus, and has the ability to mutate rapidly and spread, while getting less dangerous (don't ever kill the host - mankind). Ever heard the expression "...if I had a cure for the common cold..."?. It's impossible to create an antidote. Even the flu virus is a hit or miss. 9 months before the flu vax is rolled out across the northern hemisphere, there are at least 6 chicken viruses becoming prevalent in China, and pharma companies can only pick one of those 6 and work on a "flu vax". It's a gamble. Most times, the flu vax is 25% effective. But hey - eveyone who gets that shot thinks they have an iron dome around them, while in reality their own immune system will handle it. Unless you are elderly, or have co-morbidities. The Weak always succumb.
You are spot on about the money-making perspective. I won't go down the rabbit hole of cr*p food many folks eat vs. diabetes rates soaring. Just take your vitamins (B complex C, D) L-Lysine is a powerful anti-viral, stay healthy, try not to be obese, eat clean (that includes meat!), don't but into the propaganda, listen to your body, buy a nebulizer and saline solution (in case of a case).
Technology is not God. In fact, the data seems to show technology is the very opposite. Do not put your faith in something that generates profit at your personal expense. There's always a catch...
I have been taking Vitamin C and Garlic supplements for 35 years and have not had a single cold in all those years. I have added Zinc and Vitamin D3 to prevent Covid-19. live a healthy lifestyle as others have said and you will avoid most colds and other diseases. Just be sure to get the best quality supplements you can afford.
So true Quiltlady. Thank you. You listen to your body and the old advice. Totally agree about the quality of supplements, Love the fact you have never had a cold! Stay true to old advice and self protection. You should be proud that you go by nature and not the latest jabs. Vit C & D, and garlic, melatonin, l-lysine, coq-10, anything this natural world gives you - take it. OK we are living in a strange world these days, no excuse for not taking your vits and supps. I would be careful about Zinc, as a heavy metal, I feel it should be reactive not proactive. But your body will let you know. Thanks Quiltlady for reminding us about what naturally works! This is Key Advice. Thank you for your wisdom.
Respectfully, just to clarify, the flu virus is not a coronavirus, but both are RNA viruses. Influenza belongs to family Orthomyxoviridae vs. SARS-CoV-2 belongs to family Coronaviridae. Antigenic shift can allow (and has allowed) influenza to become more dangerous. Contrasted with influenza antigenic drift, which is akin to mutations that occur with SARS-CoV-2 giving rise to variants.
Thank you for the clarification. That is one of the reasons I appreciate these sites that allow us to share information. I always appreciate an opportunity to learn.
Thank you Making waves for clarifying the difference between the cold and flu viruses. My post was not scientifically correct and I regret that. I try to stick with the facts. The last thing I want to do is promote misinformation, so your correction is appreciated.
No worries, thank you Sunshine. I feel like we all wouldn't want to be called misinformation these days (sometimes I still can't believe it's happening). I only want everyone armed with facts and truth, since that's how we dispel darkness. I don't want to give "them" the excuse to jump down anyone's throat. If I went to school for years for this stuff, I only want to help share the information to the best of my ability:)
If this is your area of expertise, I am even more appreciative of a correction. 100% agree we keep the "i's" dotted and "t's" crossed, or else we are not factually bulletproof. And eventually, it will all come down to the facts. At least we hope so. Bizarre days indeed. That said, have you come across this article https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3563? Seems Covid was here for years, with a significant percentage of major cities having a significant number of T Cell immunity: "In a study of donor blood specimens obtained in the US between 2015 and 2018, 50% displayed various forms of T cell reactivity to SARS-CoV-2.511 A similar study that used specimens from the Netherlands reported T cell reactivity in two of 10 people who had not been exposed to the virus."
T Cells seem to be coming to the front now, so I find this fascinating.
Some sources claim that no one has ever actually isolated the virus, dead or alive. Can't make a vaccine for something you can't see under a microscope.
Correct BC. Making waves called me out on this further down. It is good to have fact checkers. Happy to be corrected on anything, I try to stick with the facts. OTOH if you are female you are also familiar with the "Man Flu", so the two can be interchangeable at times!
From Making waves: "Respectfully, just to clarify, the flu virus is not a coronavirus, but both are RNA viruses. Influenza belongs to family Orthomyxoviridae vs. SARS-CoV-2 belongs to family Coronaviridae. Antigenic shift can allow (and has allowed) influenza to become more dangerous. Contrasted with influenza antigenic drift, which is akin to mutations that occur with SARS-CoV-2 giving rise to variants."
there are attenuated virus vaccines for corona in livestock but they are considered much more dangerous. I read some info here: https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/bovine-coronavirus-and-us . Apparently the Novavax will be attenuated virus.
No, novavax is a protein based vaccine , so they are injecting a fixed amount of the spike protein in your body vs mrna/dna vector vaccines which make your body the spike protein factory. I believe there is a French vaccine coming out that is an attenuated virus .
"There are several vaccine types currently being pursued including mRNA, DNA, recombinant protein, virus-like particle, and live-attenuated or killed virus. With the potential exception of live, attenuated virus vaccines, the general goal is to induce adaptive immune response resulting in high-affinity IgG against S or N viral capsid proteins. However, unless care is taken to modify the protein sequences to remove or inactivate regions highly associated with ADE, if this is even possible, we may produce vaccines that enhance, rather than protect against, severe SARS-CoV-2 infection. This could be particularly problematic in children, with their reduced risk of severe infection."
Wang, J., & Zand, M. (2021). The potential for antibody-dependent enhancement of SARS-CoV-2 infection: Translational implications for vaccine development. Journal of Clinical and Translational Science, 5(1), E2. doi:10.1017/cts.2020.39
I say regarding Covid-19 that if children up to 18 are 99.6% likely to survive (most who are healthy with no more than a cold-type flu), then they should be off-limits for these jabs.
It is unconscionable to allow children under 18 to receive these jabs unless they are unhealthy, obese, diabetics etc., especially with the myocarditis problem being studied.
I think Newsom’s mandate that ALL California kids must be jabbed in public and private schools will backfire on him, especially while his biggest donors, the teachers, are exempt.
I didn’t know teachers were exempt. I know that lausd is mandating for students 12 and up as well as teachers and staff. I read that prison guard union is also exempt as they paid millions to his recall campaign. So tell me this is about health and not politics .
Dr. Scott Atlas said children should NEVER be given a drug under the guise of saving adults. It’s heinous. There are NO long term studies to show what the ramifications will be. This is tantamount to child sacrifice.
One of Trump's biggest mistakes was letting him go and keeping Fauxi.
I believe it was a forced deal
No doubt.
This is why I would LOVE to see TRUMP re-elected. He wasn't a politician and was taken advantage of in many ways. However, I believe he is a fast learner and a good student and if he were re-elected I imagine many people would simply quit b/c they KNOW he would CLEAN HOUSE this time and it would be spotless!! I imagine he would hold many accountable and perhaps impact the deep state and bureaucracy.
Yep!
Interesting Report; The link to the actual slide presentation can be found in the article so the entire AI study can be viewed. The Most important part confirmed is NATURAL IMMUNITY WORKS !!!
https://healthimpactnews.com/2021/breaking-ai-powered-dod-data-analysis-program-named-project-salus-shatters-official-vaccine-narrative-shows-a-d-e-accelerating-in-the-fully-vaccinated-with-each-passing-week/
And child sacrifice is the triumph of the diabolical.
Amen. This is child abuse for the sake of alleviating mass psychosis
And what about parents who subject their children to this?
Another California mom here. 2 kids in HS. Both fully vaccinated except for Covid. My kids even have HPV vaccines (and I did them for my 18yo when they were brand new). My hubby and I are fully Pfizer vaccinated and I did it more to be part of the guinea pigs so my kids wouldn't have to do it. Now they are forcing it on them. TBH, we lie to folks b/c where we live, people are trying to sneak and get their 4 and 5yo's vaccinated. Like a previous commenter said, "if folks could sell their kids into slavery to keep them safe, they would." The religion around COVID is so strong here in the Bay Area and it is unbelievable b/c I don't really know anyone who knows anyone who has died from it. They still believe it. This is the media's fault. Anyway, I am hopeful that we have until next July b/c my kids LOVE their school, their friends, etc. Despite me wanting to move ASAP, I also know how difficult HS can be at a new school. My hope is that there are lawsuits and lots of them. If the CA Teachers Union can refuse a mandate, how can he mandate that the kids be vaccinated? It makes no sense. I know $$ talks but the optics around this are really bad and very inconsistent.
Did you voted "yes" to recall the governor. Those that did not, or that voted "no" to retain him, really don't have any legs to stand on in opposition to vaccine mandates.
I voted to RECALL him and I signed the original petition. I was incredibly disappointed with the result. So, yes, I can have a voice. I tried to warn all my friends who still vote straight Democrat "b/c they do" that they could no longer complain about lockdowns, etc. Unfortunately, they all think mandatory Covid vaccines are wonderful to get "stupid Trump voters" to get vaccinated.
"stupid Trump voters" - They probably voted for Biden/Harris and Newsom but Trump voters are the stupid ones? smh
"Trump voters" ...
Trump declared the vaccines were miracles and he was responsible and you should get them, they're good! So ... if Trump says the vaccines are good and you should get them, and his supporters don't, are they really Trump supporters?
All my Trump voting relatives got vaccinated. That's anecdotal, I know.
What's not anecdotal: black people are refusing the shots much more often than any other group. Let's throw that fact back whenever someone tries to make this about Trump voters. It's not.
I'm a Trump voter. His recommendation one way or the other makes not a single bit of difference to me. I like the guy, he's not perfect and he clearly makes mistakes. This is one of them in my opinion. Besides, I have this nasty habit of thinking for myself and I really balk at being made to do anything against my will. Something, Trump would not have done, btw.
Trump voter here. Trump is just a guy I hired to do a job. I'm not in a cult and disappointed Trump is MIA on this issue.
I agree that he's been MIA on this, and I think it has to do with his advisors. For a shrewd business guy, he sure makes some awful personnel decisions. From his last rally and interviews, looks like he's been clued in to the vaccine mandate issue and he's spoken out, but not as forcefully as he needs to. I'm betting we'll see him being quite vocal against the mandates.
Me too. Anyone would have been better than HRC so I voted for Trump. I never liked DJT and still don’t . I voted for him over Biden but I don’t want Trump back. I like the MAGA idea and yeah, Gavin is a schmuck, sorry for you guys in Ca..
I’m sick and tired of all sides politicizing a public health issue. Rational people would fight to end regulatory capture and politicization of our supposed watchdogs (FDA, CDC, etc.) and provide a true reasoned response based on science and not TheScience™️. To hell with Trump, Biden, and 99.9% of politicians.
I agree wholeheartedly with you. I’m just boiling it down to what the really insane people hearsay. They equate the unvaccinated with Trump voters. I have tried to present the data about the people of color not wanting to get vaccinated and they literally refute it and say no it is all stupid white evangelicals. You have to bear in mind that in the bay area, people have a very simplistic view of what a Trump voter is and but it is equated wholeheartedly with being unvaccinated. If Trump is still president and he was making this push, you can be sure none of these folks would be getting vaccinated.
I am here in CA and echo your experience. We are unapologetically anti-Newsom and will have “let them choose” signs in our front yard. We started homeschooling 6th grade best decision ever. Hang in there! 💙
My fear is that Dictator Newsom will try to outlaw homeschooling. I truly think that between the hair gel and the cocaine and knowing he has all the evil gazilionnaires on his side that he's going to get worse and worse.
It's so frustrating, isn't it? Like they just want to see it the way they see it, facts be damned.
Like how schools in other parts of the world, or even in other states, have been open, no masks, no social distancing, no problems, yet people still insist that all the covid theater in blue state school is necessary. It's all very weird to me.
Call it what it is the Trump vaccine.
Agree - I was a Trump voter, but his ridiculous “warp speed” nonsense has made me decide that if he runs again, I will not support him.
Desantis is actually for the same overall Trump policies but is much less hyperbolic and articulate, and gets the job done. I think he is the best choice in 2024. Unfortunately, whether you like him or not, Trump brings the personality factor that turns many off. It’s time to move on to a fresh, younger face and one who is a true Conservative
Sadly, with Casey DeSantis being diagnosed with breast cancer, there is less likelihood of Ron running for President in 2024. I pray that she gets the best treatment and is able to recover quickly but there is no guarantee of anything.
Horrible discernment.
I voted for Trump but because I'm able to process information in my own mind, I think the vaccines are SHIT. Dangerous, society-collapsing DOG-SHIT. Just like what's between Biden's ears
Does it never occur to self-proclaimed liberals that mandating your choices onto others is decidedly illiberal?
I voted Dems and I just cant get over how everything we are going through would seem to be something Dems oppose but they are all onboard. My body my choice, no discrimination etc.. where did that go?
Do you mean you voted Dem this past election? If so, the red pill right now must be truly difficult to swallow. But the truth is, the Dems have always been excellent at framing and misdirection. Their policies are always about destruction, power and control while framing themselves as the party of compassion and equity (not equality).
Not that the Repubs are much better. They really are a uniparty with a distinction without a difference. Our entire system is hopelessly corrupt which is why we're in the trouble we're currently in.
Actually it's emotionally coherent. Abortion and the vaccination of children and others is driven by fear. The mantra is incoherent and BS. The fear always will win out.
Maybe because liberals have been hijacked by the progressives who are basically communists who believe in the greater good of the community over individuality. Just my opinion .
Interestingly, I know many democrats who oppose the vaccine. I don’t know why people connect trumpers with anti -vax. It annoys me that he still brags about operation warpspeed.
I'm a Democrat and I am against everything about this vaccine. Changing back to independent at the least.
I’ve been an independent and have voted for both democrats and republicans . Plan to stay that way
Trump is out of his league with all things science and medicine. At the beginning of this when Fauci took over (because he did), Trump always stood in the back looking like it was a hostage situation.
At one of the last rallys when Trump touted the jabs and got booed he chimed in “I’m not getting the booster. I’m feeling great!”
And then there is the incompetent pharmacist in Baltimore at Walgreens who “accidentally” gave a four year girl an adult dose Covid jab instead of a flu shot:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10041613/Pharmacist-accidentally-gave-girl-4-Covid-vaccine-instead-flu-shot.html
What was interesting was how the media Pooh Poohed the meds for treating Covid that Trump first talked about just dissed them only because Yrump supported their use. Then other doctors and scientists who concurred were silenced just to get back at Trump. Turns out now Trump was right, those meds are effective and preferable to an experimental vax with a high rate of adverse effects. How many people would now not be living with the potential for life threatening adverse reactions and death as a result of this concerted effort to dismiss all things Trump is/was for? Playing politics by the media has had irreversible damage on the entire world. The MSM should be ashamed of what they e done.
"I was incredibly disappointed with the result."
Someone will have to do the actual research, but my hypothesis is that the motion failed because the vast majority of people that supported it had literally already fled the state.
So they want Trump Voters dead too?
I've heard a couple of people on cable news imply that if "non-vaxers" die from covid then they get what they deserve because "MAGAs" don't believe in science. And on Twitter it's easy to find thousands of people who literally don't care if we die and that the world would be better off.
The MSM is so vicious right now. Glad I turned them off in 2012 for good.
Took me until election night 2016.
And the Vaxers that die from Covid is because they believe the Science would save them...hmmmm.
Good point! I can't tell if they want Trump voters vaccinated OR they want to force them to comply? Maybe the arrogance (Newsom, London Breed) and rubbing the ability to force something is the pleasure they seek?
I tell liberal co-workers "there is no way I'm get that Trump vaccine." Then I stand back and look at their reactions.
Ha, me too!
hahahahahaha :)
Hilarious
I might need to borrow this!
“How does one man assert his power over another, Winston?“
Winston thought. “By making him suffer”, he said.
“Exactly. By making him suffer. Obedience is not enough. Unless he is suffering, how can you be sure that he is obeying your will and not his own?"
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They get off watching you suffer because that's how they know they have power over you.
Exactly right!
Bingo. They ENJOY it. What about that don't people get?
Touche
TDS is doing far more damage to this country and there doesn’t seem to be an end to it.
I am sure we here all did. A lot of people voted to recall. The vote by mail system is total trash, easy for a party in power to manipulate. And now it is mandated permanently.
Agreed. That other Governor EO that he signed guarantees the end of any pretense of "free and fair" elections. Done. It's crazy. People might start to wake up but where I live (Bay Area), they are INSANE.
My Bay Area brothers head is going to explode when I tell him I’m moving to Tennessee
The biggest reason we need to take a page from most Euro countries about. They have no electronic or mail in voting because of the potential for manipulating. I D is also required and should be. You need ID for everything else so why when it comes to voting is it suddenly an unreasonable request?
So many people I know (democrats) voted yes. But it seemed to make no difference.
It was depressing and surprising how many people in this state voted against the recall. The Dems spent so much on their advertising to generate fear connecting Larry Elder with Trump and to gin up COVID fear.
Fear motivates apparently.
Fear is ignorance. Larry Elder the black white supremacist...it's ludicrous.
Fear is the wildcard in every game of chance.
I also live in the Bay Area. I have only 2 people who have died of Covid both them ironically were fully vaccinated. Something is not right.
I live is a 60% fully vaxxed area in PA and I know of 5 Covid infections with 1 hospitalization and they were all fully vaxxed !! Yes, something is definitely not right !!
I watched a video yesterday about the unbridled censorship in China over their vaccine. All it made me think about was how much most of the world right now is being railroaded over the whole affair. It’s global hysteria on steroids!! How long are we all gonna run away from this freaking virus?? If I get it and die then it was my time. Even high risk groups run a great chance of surviving. I just learned yesterday that pregnant women are being advised to get the vax!! INSANITY!!!
I'm hearing more cases pop up everywhere. These vaccines might be having very modest effect to most.
Part of nature though is our systems immune function it can and will protect you better than the vax.
Amen
But the argument is they didn’t die....every time .
It’s been about control since day 1. People need to realize that.
Yup. And money. There’s always cash involved but power is a form of greed too
They died of vax injury.
Most of the people infected with so-called 'covid19' in the hospital now were jabbed. We were down to nothing when the jabbing began.
To be specific, they are reported as unvaccinated covid deaths, because so many of these cases are within 2 weeks of the first shot, when a certain part of the immune system seems to shut down. They are more susceptible to infection then. Much data around world shows a spike in cases and deaths after mass max campaigns start. Others die within 2 weeks of the second shot from reactions to the spike protein overload. Many times they are counted as unvaxed covid deaths as well.
I am the CA dad that posted below, I have a gab handle if you want to chat there. We should all be putting our heads together.
Please share your handle
I got the hell out of Nazifornia a little over a year ago. I saw this coming. This is the tip of the iceberg. I was also in the Bay area.
Probably one of the worst things you can do is perpetuate a lie to those around you. If you love your neighbors and friends stand firm in the truth and tell them they are unsafe for children. There will be kids who get these shots who will die, contract permanent disabilities, or will be rendered sterile for the rest of their lives. Never go along to get along when lives are at stake and tyranny is running wild around you. You never know if your leadership on the issue might change the minds of those who respect you.
Yes. We have to stop the cowardly behavior of worrying what people think about us, or that they might stop being our friend. IF they do, that's on them, and you don't need them (for now). As long as you do it in a loving fashion, it's on them if they don't want to listen or decide you're an insane crackpot. That's how people in cults behave. And I also think there are some people not worth bothering with - the ones so indoctrinated that their ability to think critically is completely gone.
Thank you! I have just been through a rather dark night of the soul while dealing with this issue over the past few months. I have had Incredible feelings of judgement and shame for not fitting into my dominant peer group anymore. But I have realized that so much (90%?)of it is projection as I am dealing with my own stuck stuffed muck from long ago. When we have these isolating and judged feelings, it's good to look inside and clear whatever self-judgement and loathing may be left deep down. Since realizing this, and working on centering myself, I've been able to speak my truth without fear, and try to wake up others. After doing a fair amount of research into this covid clown world, I feel it is my duty to our free society to do so. Sounds like psycho-babble perhaps, but it really opened my eyes and heart to look within.
Agree so much, Susan. It also made me aware of just how programmed we are! We have been groomed to be docile sheep and to listen to authority. I always had an independent/contrary streak, and I question everything, but I was surprised still at the beginning of this thing, I didn't question mask-wearing. Now I understand it's part of the psychosis. Along with the seemingly new Covid Religion that people have been culted into.
You are so right. Having some people stop speaking to you because of a difference of opinion is worth the possibility that even one child might be spared. This is a nightmare. It’s gonna get worse so stand strong. Listen to the little voice that tells you something isn’t right.
Kids are not unionized!
They don't call them Students' Unions.......
Are the HPV vaccines mandated? I don't believe they are on the "childhood required immunization schedule" for Public School kids. Why is that? STD's are very contagious and very popular. It can also lead to cervical cancer, tongue/mouth cancers, etc. Still not mandated but Covid (not flu) are. Insane!
There should be a STD passport for Bars and Night Clubs, since it's becoming required for Covid. Well, there goes the night life !!
Abstinence is a much safer prevention for STDs. Some young people have been seriously vaccine-injured by the HPV vaccine.
Are you allowed any exemptions in CA? Religious or medical?
Drs in CA can only write 5 medical exemptions a year before they are investigated. Schools have to maintain 95% vaccination status. We eliminated personal belief exemptions in 2016. Religious are in question but should be under “state funded place of accommodation” however exemptions mean they have to provide accommodation- which in this case would be - at home independent study.
Truth!!! The whole thing is just surreal.
They are not mandated
I've never heard an explanation why a traditional vaccine cannot work on corona virus.
The flue virus is also a corona virus. The flue vaccine is a traditional vaccine. I admit, this is way outside of my area of expertise. That said, why won't the technology that is well-known and well-understood work on THIS virus?
Medications that treat chronic afflictions, like insulin for diabetes, are big money-makers for pharma companies.
To me it looks like the need to have the corona virus vaccine repeated periodically is a feature, not a bug. At the same time, it's impossible to know the long term effects of these novel vaccines.
Traditional Vax vs mRNA Vax. mRNA technology has been touted 20 years or more and Big Pharma boasted about it becoming the perfect overhaul for traditional vaccines which use dead viruses. However, no one could make an mRNA vaccine that worked or that didn't cause test animals to die.
Then comes covid, and like magic suddenly the mRNA technology works just fine although NEVER tested on humans. But Big Pharma got to work right away manufacturing mRNA vaxes for covid and began contracting sales/distribution plans with various countries for Billions of $$$.
I believe the USA covid vaccines were made with untested mRNA technology because Millions of $$$ had already been invested on its development over the decades, and because Big Pharma bragged about it for so long.
Agree. Moderna (partnering with NIH (Fauci was the signer) put mRNA patents through, all animal testing failed, they pulled the plug on this venture in 2016. Moderna had no other purpose. It has only one product to date= mRNA vax in a Pandemic. The Perfect Storm. Moderna stock price 1/31/20 = $20.21. Moderna stock price 9/10/21 = $449.38. Landscapers have done this too. Plant the leyandiis and 30 years later get paid $$$ to remove them. Excellent business model.
I don't want to compare Mankind with invasive shrubs, but those on a high level do just that.
I agree about the investment angle, but investors (smart ones ) know deeply what they are investing in. Long term returns at any cost.....hey we need our returns!
Open your eyes good people.
Moderna = ModeRNA. MRNA. Open your eyes.
Bowie saw it coming 50 years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-AMec7yr7c
The Common Cold is a Fact of Life. Hey it wiped out the aliens in War of the Worlds! The flu virus is indeed a coronavirus, and has the ability to mutate rapidly and spread, while getting less dangerous (don't ever kill the host - mankind). Ever heard the expression "...if I had a cure for the common cold..."?. It's impossible to create an antidote. Even the flu virus is a hit or miss. 9 months before the flu vax is rolled out across the northern hemisphere, there are at least 6 chicken viruses becoming prevalent in China, and pharma companies can only pick one of those 6 and work on a "flu vax". It's a gamble. Most times, the flu vax is 25% effective. But hey - eveyone who gets that shot thinks they have an iron dome around them, while in reality their own immune system will handle it. Unless you are elderly, or have co-morbidities. The Weak always succumb.
You are spot on about the money-making perspective. I won't go down the rabbit hole of cr*p food many folks eat vs. diabetes rates soaring. Just take your vitamins (B complex C, D) L-Lysine is a powerful anti-viral, stay healthy, try not to be obese, eat clean (that includes meat!), don't but into the propaganda, listen to your body, buy a nebulizer and saline solution (in case of a case).
Technology is not God. In fact, the data seems to show technology is the very opposite. Do not put your faith in something that generates profit at your personal expense. There's always a catch...
I have been taking Vitamin C and Garlic supplements for 35 years and have not had a single cold in all those years. I have added Zinc and Vitamin D3 to prevent Covid-19. live a healthy lifestyle as others have said and you will avoid most colds and other diseases. Just be sure to get the best quality supplements you can afford.
So true Quiltlady. Thank you. You listen to your body and the old advice. Totally agree about the quality of supplements, Love the fact you have never had a cold! Stay true to old advice and self protection. You should be proud that you go by nature and not the latest jabs. Vit C & D, and garlic, melatonin, l-lysine, coq-10, anything this natural world gives you - take it. OK we are living in a strange world these days, no excuse for not taking your vits and supps. I would be careful about Zinc, as a heavy metal, I feel it should be reactive not proactive. But your body will let you know. Thanks Quiltlady for reminding us about what naturally works! This is Key Advice. Thank you for your wisdom.
Respectfully, just to clarify, the flu virus is not a coronavirus, but both are RNA viruses. Influenza belongs to family Orthomyxoviridae vs. SARS-CoV-2 belongs to family Coronaviridae. Antigenic shift can allow (and has allowed) influenza to become more dangerous. Contrasted with influenza antigenic drift, which is akin to mutations that occur with SARS-CoV-2 giving rise to variants.
Thank you for the clarification. That is one of the reasons I appreciate these sites that allow us to share information. I always appreciate an opportunity to learn.
Thank you Making waves for clarifying the difference between the cold and flu viruses. My post was not scientifically correct and I regret that. I try to stick with the facts. The last thing I want to do is promote misinformation, so your correction is appreciated.
No worries, thank you Sunshine. I feel like we all wouldn't want to be called misinformation these days (sometimes I still can't believe it's happening). I only want everyone armed with facts and truth, since that's how we dispel darkness. I don't want to give "them" the excuse to jump down anyone's throat. If I went to school for years for this stuff, I only want to help share the information to the best of my ability:)
If this is your area of expertise, I am even more appreciative of a correction. 100% agree we keep the "i's" dotted and "t's" crossed, or else we are not factually bulletproof. And eventually, it will all come down to the facts. At least we hope so. Bizarre days indeed. That said, have you come across this article https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3563? Seems Covid was here for years, with a significant percentage of major cities having a significant number of T Cell immunity: "In a study of donor blood specimens obtained in the US between 2015 and 2018, 50% displayed various forms of T cell reactivity to SARS-CoV-2.511 A similar study that used specimens from the Netherlands reported T cell reactivity in two of 10 people who had not been exposed to the virus."
T Cells seem to be coming to the front now, so I find this fascinating.
Some sources claim that no one has ever actually isolated the virus, dead or alive. Can't make a vaccine for something you can't see under a microscope.
I've read that, and to me it's believable.
Yet, vaccines have been produced for other viruses. How were THOSE viruses isolated? Why don't the same techniques apply?
There may be very good technical reasons. Someone who really knows their virology can explain it in terms a dummy like me can understand.
My woke 20-something niece thinks that b/c Pfizer wrote a paper about their vaccine, and it's been peer-reviewed, that's good enough for her.
I'm not as trusting as she is.
trusting is another word for naive.
A qwinkadink? I think Not !! Coming to a neighborhood near you !!
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/mystery-rise-in-heart-attacks-from-blocked-arteries-m253drrnf
The current covid-19 virus is from the family of Coronaviridae (aka coronaviruses).
The flu is an influenza virus - family is Orthomyxoviridae. They are quite different one from another.
This might be an informative article - https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2020-04-17/coronavirus-vaccine-ian-frazer/12146616
Correct BC. Making waves called me out on this further down. It is good to have fact checkers. Happy to be corrected on anything, I try to stick with the facts. OTOH if you are female you are also familiar with the "Man Flu", so the two can be interchangeable at times!
From Making waves: "Respectfully, just to clarify, the flu virus is not a coronavirus, but both are RNA viruses. Influenza belongs to family Orthomyxoviridae vs. SARS-CoV-2 belongs to family Coronaviridae. Antigenic shift can allow (and has allowed) influenza to become more dangerous. Contrasted with influenza antigenic drift, which is akin to mutations that occur with SARS-CoV-2 giving rise to variants."
there are attenuated virus vaccines for corona in livestock but they are considered much more dangerous. I read some info here: https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/bovine-coronavirus-and-us . Apparently the Novavax will be attenuated virus.
No, novavax is a protein based vaccine , so they are injecting a fixed amount of the spike protein in your body vs mrna/dna vector vaccines which make your body the spike protein factory. I believe there is a French vaccine coming out that is an attenuated virus .
"There are several vaccine types currently being pursued including mRNA, DNA, recombinant protein, virus-like particle, and live-attenuated or killed virus. With the potential exception of live, attenuated virus vaccines, the general goal is to induce adaptive immune response resulting in high-affinity IgG against S or N viral capsid proteins. However, unless care is taken to modify the protein sequences to remove or inactivate regions highly associated with ADE, if this is even possible, we may produce vaccines that enhance, rather than protect against, severe SARS-CoV-2 infection. This could be particularly problematic in children, with their reduced risk of severe infection."
Wang, J., & Zand, M. (2021). The potential for antibody-dependent enhancement of SARS-CoV-2 infection: Translational implications for vaccine development. Journal of Clinical and Translational Science, 5(1), E2. doi:10.1017/cts.2020.39
I say regarding Covid-19 that if children up to 18 are 99.6% likely to survive (most who are healthy with no more than a cold-type flu), then they should be off-limits for these jabs.
It is unconscionable to allow children under 18 to receive these jabs unless they are unhealthy, obese, diabetics etc., especially with the myocarditis problem being studied.
I think Newsom’s mandate that ALL California kids must be jabbed in public and private schools will backfire on him, especially while his biggest donors, the teachers, are exempt.
I didn’t know teachers were exempt. I know that lausd is mandating for students 12 and up as well as teachers and staff. I read that prison guard union is also exempt as they paid millions to his recall campaign. So tell me this is about health and not politics .