You dare to trust Zuckerberg? He will drag back censorship at the slightest change in the political winds. This is about power. They know that if Section230 is changed and they lose their liability shield that their power is gone.
No censorship. If they censor they must be liable. That must be the deal. .
Imagine the power that one single "fact checker" has when they can essentially wipe the internet of an opinion or fact. It's intoxicating to them...and now they no longer have their "drug" to keep them high.
It was always about POWER. Power attracts pathological liars -- it is a magnet to corruption.
I hope every single fact checker goes broke pushing a grocery cart under a bridge eating out of cold soup cans for all the damage they've caused honest Americans!
If they censor , they lose their liability shield. The Donald could easily get the legislation done. There must be no censorship. Nonetheless , there must be responsibility for what is posted and that must fall to the poster and the reader not the conduit.
About as easily as they can wipe out your bank accounts with a delete. While words on paper in books can be burned it is harder to find all the copies of books. Computer deletes are much easier and cuts down on the CO2 from bonfires.
real courage from Zuck here... comes out AFTER the horse left the barn... it's laughable.... look, we will take it, but you have to marvel at his cowardice, and as you point out, he'll switch back on a dime
Agree. Think it relates more to fear of changes to Sec. 230 but is packaged as support for free speech. I doubt he went down to the moral compass store for a new model.
In George Orwell’s “1984,” Inner Party member (and interrogator and torturer of Winston Smith) O’Brien declares to Smith: “The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power.”
That is a succinct and accurate description of the mindset of the would-be “fact checkers,” a/k/a censors.
It’s not about trust but opportunity. Why not take the win? Enough pressure has been placed that even Zuck bucked the very powerful interests that he previously went all in on. The censorship industrial complex lost a major hub. Take a moment to check mindset. It’s really amazing how wins are brushed aside in the service of negative future expectancies. Remember negative future expectancies are projections and mindset more often controls what we possibilities we see, impairing our ability to act in an empowered vs reactive way. Trump sure didn’t let negative mindset takeover when all seemed impossible. Be inspired by that.
It's not a matter of trust. Zuckerberg has done the right thing. The fact that he could change that tomorrow, next week or next year doesn't take away from the fact that he's moved in the right direction. You can say it's too little or too late, but the perfect is the enemy of the good. FB and Insta will be better at least for now.
I'm no longer certain Zuckerberg has a human suit covering a lizard-borg. I'm not sure a lizard-borg would be looking for a plea deal in the court of public opinion. Humans may be the only species capable of throwing co-conspirators under the bus to receive a slap on the wrist by admitting guilt on a lesser offense.
That’s not justice, and other humans should reject it. Whether or not the tech companies wanted to admit it, much of Silicon Valley’s anger over Trump’s victory was about their inability to control American opinion.
If Meta is upset it created a tool to censor, it should look in the mirror.
The now repentant Zuck fears the European crackdown on online speech. As CEO, he has a fiduciary obligation to protect Meta. He wants Trump's help in fighting Europe. He made concessions and this modified limited hangout to convince Trump to help. I'm deeply moved.
Does anyone else think this is a rope-a-dope move? Drop the “fact checking” so all the critics can freely post whatever they want about the incoming administration?
It hardly matters what critics post at this point. They've tried everything for years and all they've done is trained much (maybe most) of the population to recognize their nonsense. Only if the critics are freely posting something that is valid and legitimate will it be effective which is how it should be. I say let them post away!
Ryan, Streisand true, my wife looked into illegal immigration cuz the NY Times (she religiously reads) was so busy refuting it. Now two weeks ago the Times gave up with a simple headline that is 3 1/2 years late: "Illegal Immigration Highest Ever Under Biden". I mighta snuck in "2nd Highest" just to save 1/100th face.
But, we will have our own free speech restored on FB, etc. to respond cleverly and w/ sound counter info/argument/ (links too?) to these "critics", many bald-faced liars.
So tired of all these liberal elites acting as though they suddenly have a conscience. Amazing how the closer we get to January 20th, the more "honest" they try to act. None of these people should EVER be trusted again and we should never let them forget it. Sorry, it's not about forgiveness. They ruined millions of innocent lives by their actions.
Anyone else pulling their hair out on how quick everyone is to forget the last few years without any true apology or accountability?! Sure, maybe there is good news but I want some accountability which I know we will never get. The decisions of these corporations and government had permanent negative consequences that no one is going to ever pay for other than those of us who went through it.
I'm happy that you are happy about what Zuckerberg said. I don't trust him or his platform. X still has some problems. I assume it is in the code. Good intentions are great but I await the actions.
I am certainly not convinced by his timely change of heart. He is in big time CYA mode. Meta or whatever dumbass name they go by in 4 years will blow with the political winds then as now.
Never ever trust anything from Zuckerberg he is a scumbag lying piece of shit. There is zero truth ever there. Every promotion you are bombarded with every time you go on Facebook is a fraudulent activity from some Chinese company that will never deliver
It is very precious that Zuck was concerned with "fact-checking", when every time a male posts a comment on Facebook....some half naked female fraudster wants to "chat" with you. And the Facebook MarketPlace has more scams then Nigeria has Princes.
But..yes Zuck....make sure all the content on Facebook has been checked on by the fact checkers.
Alex, you are correct. They are slaves to Section 230. Like all big private entities --- they are slaves to our Big Government [Feds, states, and locals]. This has to stop.
It’s been clear that government exerted pressure on FB to suppress stories and viewpoints unfavorable to the government. That was shown even before Zuckerberg admitted it.
Why, then, did Zuckerberg donate the much-celebrated $400 mil Zuckbucks to the people who were subjecting him to this treatment?
It could be that he is just changing to blow with the current political winds. Or was there pressure behind the Zuckbucks too?
Was the “false information” from “3rd party fact checkers” I saw covering this piece for real or done in jest by AB? Anyhoo, all of this is fine and dandy but Zuckerberg committed the crime of election interference in 2020 and must be indicted.
If Fact Checkers are the first responders in an information environment, it is quite obvious the Hippocratic oath is being tortured relentlessly as the information is maimed and killed, as opposed to being placed on a health and wellness journey.
You dare to trust Zuckerberg? He will drag back censorship at the slightest change in the political winds. This is about power. They know that if Section230 is changed and they lose their liability shield that their power is gone.
No censorship. If they censor they must be liable. That must be the deal. .
Bingo.
Imagine the power that one single "fact checker" has when they can essentially wipe the internet of an opinion or fact. It's intoxicating to them...and now they no longer have their "drug" to keep them high.
It was always about POWER. Power attracts pathological liars -- it is a magnet to corruption.
I hope every single fact checker goes broke pushing a grocery cart under a bridge eating out of cold soup cans for all the damage they've caused honest Americans!
I'd be satisfied if they just went to flip burgers at Mickey D's -- they'd be adding more value to society that way than as "fact-checkers."
If they censor , they lose their liability shield. The Donald could easily get the legislation done. There must be no censorship. Nonetheless , there must be responsibility for what is posted and that must fall to the poster and the reader not the conduit.
Nailed it
About as easily as they can wipe out your bank accounts with a delete. While words on paper in books can be burned it is harder to find all the copies of books. Computer deletes are much easier and cuts down on the CO2 from bonfires.
real courage from Zuck here... comes out AFTER the horse left the barn... it's laughable.... look, we will take it, but you have to marvel at his cowardice, and as you point out, he'll switch back on a dime
Agree.
I wonder if Zuckborgs "confession" will help AB's case?
Great point
Agree. Think it relates more to fear of changes to Sec. 230 but is packaged as support for free speech. I doubt he went down to the moral compass store for a new model.
Who cares about why? It's the "what" that matters.
“This is about power.”
In George Orwell’s “1984,” Inner Party member (and interrogator and torturer of Winston Smith) O’Brien declares to Smith: “The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power.”
That is a succinct and accurate description of the mindset of the would-be “fact checkers,” a/k/a censors.
It’s not about trust but opportunity. Why not take the win? Enough pressure has been placed that even Zuck bucked the very powerful interests that he previously went all in on. The censorship industrial complex lost a major hub. Take a moment to check mindset. It’s really amazing how wins are brushed aside in the service of negative future expectancies. Remember negative future expectancies are projections and mindset more often controls what we possibilities we see, impairing our ability to act in an empowered vs reactive way. Trump sure didn’t let negative mindset takeover when all seemed impossible. Be inspired by that.
Yes. We just might get sick of winning.
Nah...it'll never get old!
It's not a matter of trust. Zuckerberg has done the right thing. The fact that he could change that tomorrow, next week or next year doesn't take away from the fact that he's moved in the right direction. You can say it's too little or too late, but the perfect is the enemy of the good. FB and Insta will be better at least for now.
No trust involved. Just observation.
We DESERVE better PSYOPS!
I'm no longer certain Zuckerberg has a human suit covering a lizard-borg. I'm not sure a lizard-borg would be looking for a plea deal in the court of public opinion. Humans may be the only species capable of throwing co-conspirators under the bus to receive a slap on the wrist by admitting guilt on a lesser offense.
That’s not justice, and other humans should reject it. Whether or not the tech companies wanted to admit it, much of Silicon Valley’s anger over Trump’s victory was about their inability to control American opinion.
If Meta is upset it created a tool to censor, it should look in the mirror.
BUT WE ARE WINNING....and it feels good!
The now repentant Zuck fears the European crackdown on online speech. As CEO, he has a fiduciary obligation to protect Meta. He wants Trump's help in fighting Europe. He made concessions and this modified limited hangout to convince Trump to help. I'm deeply moved.
Spot on.
Does anyone else think this is a rope-a-dope move? Drop the “fact checking” so all the critics can freely post whatever they want about the incoming administration?
Yes.
Behold this Babylon-Bee like headline from the NYT's:
"Meta says fact-checkers were the problem. Fact-checkers rule that false".
Lol. You have to admire their perfect mirror-like inversion of reality.
Its just hilarious.
Or the Bee itself: Guy Who Said Facebook Was Not Suppressing Free Speech Announces Facebook Will Stop Suppressing Free Speech
It's like in Missouri vs. The Government lawsuit.
The Administrations entire case was based on them claiming that not being able to censor was a violation of their 1A rights.
You can't make this shit up!
Love the Bee! Thank god they could give us a good laugh during all of this insanity.
We found that criticism of us to be false. --NYT fact checkers. You can't make this stuff up.
Hahaha
It hardly matters what critics post at this point. They've tried everything for years and all they've done is trained much (maybe most) of the population to recognize their nonsense. Only if the critics are freely posting something that is valid and legitimate will it be effective which is how it should be. I say let them post away!
Yup. Streisand effect.
Ryan, Streisand true, my wife looked into illegal immigration cuz the NY Times (she religiously reads) was so busy refuting it. Now two weeks ago the Times gave up with a simple headline that is 3 1/2 years late: "Illegal Immigration Highest Ever Under Biden". I mighta snuck in "2nd Highest" just to save 1/100th face.
But, we will have our own free speech restored on FB, etc. to respond cleverly and w/ sound counter info/argument/ (links too?) to these "critics", many bald-faced liars.
So tired of all these liberal elites acting as though they suddenly have a conscience. Amazing how the closer we get to January 20th, the more "honest" they try to act. None of these people should EVER be trusted again and we should never let them forget it. Sorry, it's not about forgiveness. They ruined millions of innocent lives by their actions.
Anyone else pulling their hair out on how quick everyone is to forget the last few years without any true apology or accountability?! Sure, maybe there is good news but I want some accountability which I know we will never get. The decisions of these corporations and government had permanent negative consequences that no one is going to ever pay for other than those of us who went through it.
WHO believes the ZUCK would not revert back to his old ways in any future change in the WH?
I'm happy that you are happy about what Zuckerberg said. I don't trust him or his platform. X still has some problems. I assume it is in the code. Good intentions are great but I await the actions.
As the old saying goes, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Actions speak louder than words. So now is the time to put up or shut up.
I am certainly not convinced by his timely change of heart. He is in big time CYA mode. Meta or whatever dumbass name they go by in 4 years will blow with the political winds then as now.
Never ever trust anything from Zuckerberg he is a scumbag lying piece of shit. There is zero truth ever there. Every promotion you are bombarded with every time you go on Facebook is a fraudulent activity from some Chinese company that will never deliver
Tell us what you really think about Zuckerberg, 😆
Did Zuckerberg pinkie swear that he will not ban President Trump's account this time around?
It is very precious that Zuck was concerned with "fact-checking", when every time a male posts a comment on Facebook....some half naked female fraudster wants to "chat" with you. And the Facebook MarketPlace has more scams then Nigeria has Princes.
But..yes Zuck....make sure all the content on Facebook has been checked on by the fact checkers.
Alex, you are correct. They are slaves to Section 230. Like all big private entities --- they are slaves to our Big Government [Feds, states, and locals]. This has to stop.
It’s been clear that government exerted pressure on FB to suppress stories and viewpoints unfavorable to the government. That was shown even before Zuckerberg admitted it.
Why, then, did Zuckerberg donate the much-celebrated $400 mil Zuckbucks to the people who were subjecting him to this treatment?
It could be that he is just changing to blow with the current political winds. Or was there pressure behind the Zuckbucks too?
You bring up the most critical point
Zuckerberg strikes me as the prototypical kid who was bullied in school, finally getting protection from a stronger person who stands up to bullies.
Yeah it must be tough going through life with a wedgie tucked over your dome with a permanent purchase on your forehead!...lol
Was the “false information” from “3rd party fact checkers” I saw covering this piece for real or done in jest by AB? Anyhoo, all of this is fine and dandy but Zuckerberg committed the crime of election interference in 2020 and must be indicted.
If Fact Checkers are the first responders in an information environment, it is quite obvious the Hippocratic oath is being tortured relentlessly as the information is maimed and killed, as opposed to being placed on a health and wellness journey.
And lastly, this ought to put a few of the "fact checkers" out of business!!
McDonalds is hiring. I hear their drive-thru guy starts a new job on the 20th.
Glad to see this happening, for sure. But I will wait to see how this plays out before I sign back onto FB.