The other side of the same coin is that when justice is blatantly not served for preferential reasons you can guarantee the other "sort" of justice.
They are walking on very dangerous ground at the highest levels as evidenced by the new "definition" of pardon.
We've entered the realm of "Minority Report" blanket pardons territory for crimes that MAY be committed...or to simply keep crimes from being investigated.
I actually never really expected justice as we will not see it for so many things in this life. God is in control and I have peace with that. But you are right Ryan, there are many with a simmering fury who will be unable to cope with these stark injustices.
At the same time, i belive it was last week, that crazy homeless dude that pushed an elderly man onto the NYC subway tracks, resulting in that mans death, has had his sentence reduced recently and will be released on some arcane law that's never been used, by the very same corrupt prosecutor that is trying to lynch Penny for doing the right thing.
Complete inversion of Penny's incident.
In fact the law is being deployed for illegality. That's a tinderbox.
The Daniel Penny trial drives me insane! Any rational society should be giving him a ticker-tape parade rather than prosecuting him. Alvin Bragg deserves to burn in Hell.
My thoughts exactly…sometimes we need to make peace with things like this being in God’s hands…as much as we might like to hear the truth be forced from his evil mouth for all to hear
Those that serve the institution get the promotions/sinecures, those that serve the mission of the institution get persecuted.
This is eventually the end result of all institutions throughout history. And that's why The Founders put checks and balances, as well as blind justice as cornerstones in our constitution precisely for all the reasons Alex points out in this excellence article.
We have entered dangerous territory when institutions metamorphosize into guilds.. When this happens you can expect a maladapted lawless society, run roughshod by institutions, perverted by those in the high towers of the guilds they've created to take advantage of a population terrified to push back against the institutions that are foundationally there to protect We The People
My guess is that this is coming from the intel agencies. Fauci doesn’t actually need a pardon because he’s likely got an immunity deal, but nobody wants the DARPA-NIH investigation either.
I think Federal employees may also enjoy sovereign immunity in civil suits for actions arguably performed within the scope of duty. Federal tort claims act etc. Some exceptions like police brutality etc.
This securing Biden's position as one of the absolute worst Presidents to ever "serve" this country. Counting the days to the inauguration of DJT...and yes, we are hosting a party!
I can't say I don't love having Fauci and Hunter grouped together in these headlines. Two corrupt dishonest cretins whose only escape from justice will be the protection of the corrupt dishonest cretin-in-chief.
I rather doubt that any of these pardons are going to withstand a judicial review, not even Hunter's. You cannot pardon somebody for crimes they have not been accused or convicted of. It is not logical and it is not legal. This will be reversed.
Yes, pre-emptive pardons are valid, legal and binding. Pardons are not subject to judicial review and the power is plenary. Be careful who you elect as president.
Open pardons are a disputed constitutional question about which the Supreme Court has never ruled. The proper matter of a pardon must be a specific offense. It cannot be "anything he might have done between this time and that time."
Yep I was writing something similar. The supreme court on occasion has stated that the president's pardon power is absolute except in the case of impeachment, it's just following the constitution. Like you all have said, it's not been tried, but it may be tried soon. This is a waste of time however. President's shouldn't be preemptively pardoning people, it's not the intention although the anti-federalists predicted this would happen. Indeed be careful who we elect as president.
Now the states on the other hand are free to prosecute someone who broke state law, regardless of the federal pardon. Once again, this hasn't been tested, but state crimes are not covered in a federal pardon, only federal crimes such as gun charges or income tax. Hunter could still see jail time...
Yes, I was thinking about state charges as a means to some measure of justice here. If Hunter didn't pay his federal income taxes in an accurate, timely fashion, does anyone really think he would have done so with respect to state income taxes? Even so, for any state income tax issues not foreclosed by an applicable statute of limitations, there's still the issue of what state(s) would have jurisdiction. Delaware? California? Anybody see those states choosing to go after Hunter? I think we have to accept that he's going to get away with it ... in this life.
Has the concept ever been challenged in court? The only comparable blanket pardon was Nixon, and while there was a lot of grousing I don’t recall a court challenge?
You already may have noticed that the determination of the court is not of concern to the horrible excuse for POTUS we have. The court rules and he just turns around, doing as he pleases.
Hunter's pardon is rock solid because he was actually convicted of committing Federal crimes. It cannot be reversed nor will it be because no attempt will be made to do so.
Biden cannot grant a prospective pardon. If any of these officials are called before a Congressional inquiry, and they are untruthful, they can then be prosecuted.
I would honestly welcome a Pardon. It would confirm guilt. As much as I want Tony Fauci in jail, the biggest issue going forward is transparency. And shutting down these labs.
Insert devil's advocate comment here: But will the duped even believe the evidence? Data apparently isn't real to many unless in the NYT, Post, or MSNBC/CNN.
Conductor or puppet delegated to North America. Many puppets across the world who are pseudo elf frauds like Fauci in the plandemic following the puppeteers PLAN. Remember...the USA is like 330 million on a planet of 8.2 BILLION. Its ALL relative
A pardon does not confirm or even imply guilt if the pardon is issued by reason of innocence. If the pardon is pre-emptive, guilt or culpability is only speculative, but innocence is presumed under the Constitution.
You say that 'no one has offered hard evidence that Fauci knew early on that Sars-Cov-2 was manmade'. I disagree. There is an IP contract between Fauci, Baric, and Moderna for the Sars-Cov-2 vaccine -- meaning, they knew what its DNA sequence will be! And it's signed DECEMBER 2019!! (I have a copy)
We all knew that Joe was going to pardon Hunter. Not great, but not unexpected and not too big a deal. Fauci's crimes are worse than Hunter's. The economy of the whole country suffered, and children's learning progress was set back years. Some even lost their lives. Please, NO, do not pardon Fauci!
The fact that Fauci requires a pardon tells you all you need to know. An all powerful escape artist and modern day war criminal. He was saved by the Senate elections- which prevented Rand Paul from getting at him. The only consolation for those of us who believe we will someday meet our maker is that he won't escape that.
To quote Ron DeSantis, "Grab that little elf and chuck him across the Potomac."
Well i can tell you this:
The other side of the same coin is that when justice is blatantly not served for preferential reasons you can guarantee the other "sort" of justice.
They are walking on very dangerous ground at the highest levels as evidenced by the new "definition" of pardon.
We've entered the realm of "Minority Report" blanket pardons territory for crimes that MAY be committed...or to simply keep crimes from being investigated.
Mob law results in bloodthirsty mobs
I actually never really expected justice as we will not see it for so many things in this life. God is in control and I have peace with that. But you are right Ryan, there are many with a simmering fury who will be unable to cope with these stark injustices.
Exactly. For example with the Daniel Penny trial.
At the same time, i belive it was last week, that crazy homeless dude that pushed an elderly man onto the NYC subway tracks, resulting in that mans death, has had his sentence reduced recently and will be released on some arcane law that's never been used, by the very same corrupt prosecutor that is trying to lynch Penny for doing the right thing.
Complete inversion of Penny's incident.
In fact the law is being deployed for illegality. That's a tinderbox.
The Daniel Penny trial drives me insane! Any rational society should be giving him a ticker-tape parade rather than prosecuting him. Alvin Bragg deserves to burn in Hell.
Alvin Bragg the lake of fire awaits you.
I know, man.
I would add, the evil twerp with the devilish smirk, a millstone around his neck and chuck him in the deepest sea, is where he belongs.
Exactly.
At 84 I would say his punishment is coming, maybe not in this life, but it will sure be a hot one.
I have to trust in karma or I will go insane...especially with this one, but it sure is hard!
My thoughts exactly…sometimes we need to make peace with things like this being in God’s hands…as much as we might like to hear the truth be forced from his evil mouth for all to hear
All of these Swamp creatures seem to live a very long time.
They're being given every chance possible to repent so that there are no excuses left to them when the time comes to account for things.
i think he has enough faith in himself to build his own heaven which will be better than the one for normal people when that time comes.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/lifestyle-buzz/fauci-says-he-doesn-t-need-church-anymore-claims-his-personal-ethics-on-life-are-enough/ar-AA1lkleN
(the first draft of this included the Futurama joke "...with blackjack and hookers!", but i didn't want to jeopardize my own afterlife)
Those that serve the institution get the promotions/sinecures, those that serve the mission of the institution get persecuted.
This is eventually the end result of all institutions throughout history. And that's why The Founders put checks and balances, as well as blind justice as cornerstones in our constitution precisely for all the reasons Alex points out in this excellence article.
We have entered dangerous territory when institutions metamorphosize into guilds.. When this happens you can expect a maladapted lawless society, run roughshod by institutions, perverted by those in the high towers of the guilds they've created to take advantage of a population terrified to push back against the institutions that are foundationally there to protect We The People
Justice is not so blind these days
That doesn't end well
^^ Exactly. Might I suggest Yellowstone justice as a fair consequence?
Yes. Lolol. That's what's coming if they keep using the law as an instrument for illegality
Fauci has far more on the line than answering questions about the origins of the corona virus. Mr. Berenson, have you even glanced at RFK’s book?
Yes. AIDS.
BINGO
Indeed. Well said.
If 10% of RFK Jr’s assertions are true, Fauci is a monster with few peers.
My guess is that this is coming from the intel agencies. Fauci doesn’t actually need a pardon because he’s likely got an immunity deal, but nobody wants the DARPA-NIH investigation either.
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That would not prevent civil process against him...
I think Federal employees may also enjoy sovereign immunity in civil suits for actions arguably performed within the scope of duty. Federal tort claims act etc. Some exceptions like police brutality etc.
This securing Biden's position as one of the absolute worst Presidents to ever "serve" this country. Counting the days to the inauguration of DJT...and yes, we are hosting a party!
Can I wangle an invite?
As long as you bring a beverage to share! Red cocktails are preferred. ;)
But they could and should investigate him anyway even if any charges would immediately be dropped.
The fact that he needs a pardon is actually a really great outcome and perhaps just as convincing as charges themselves
Excellent way to frame it. This may be the most conclusive evidence of crimes committed by that weasel Fauci, that we are going to get.
i just said that to a friend yesterday.
I can't say I don't love having Fauci and Hunter grouped together in these headlines. Two corrupt dishonest cretins whose only escape from justice will be the protection of the corrupt dishonest cretin-in-chief.
not may favorite pair either. now, if hunter and diddy were thrown in the same cell, they may have made prison into a fun and exciting place.
I rather doubt that any of these pardons are going to withstand a judicial review, not even Hunter's. You cannot pardon somebody for crimes they have not been accused or convicted of. It is not logical and it is not legal. This will be reversed.
Yes, pre-emptive pardons are valid, legal and binding. Pardons are not subject to judicial review and the power is plenary. Be careful who you elect as president.
Open pardons are a disputed constitutional question about which the Supreme Court has never ruled. The proper matter of a pardon must be a specific offense. It cannot be "anything he might have done between this time and that time."
Yep I was writing something similar. The supreme court on occasion has stated that the president's pardon power is absolute except in the case of impeachment, it's just following the constitution. Like you all have said, it's not been tried, but it may be tried soon. This is a waste of time however. President's shouldn't be preemptively pardoning people, it's not the intention although the anti-federalists predicted this would happen. Indeed be careful who we elect as president.
Now the states on the other hand are free to prosecute someone who broke state law, regardless of the federal pardon. Once again, this hasn't been tested, but state crimes are not covered in a federal pardon, only federal crimes such as gun charges or income tax. Hunter could still see jail time...
Yes, I was thinking about state charges as a means to some measure of justice here. If Hunter didn't pay his federal income taxes in an accurate, timely fashion, does anyone really think he would have done so with respect to state income taxes? Even so, for any state income tax issues not foreclosed by an applicable statute of limitations, there's still the issue of what state(s) would have jurisdiction. Delaware? California? Anybody see those states choosing to go after Hunter? I think we have to accept that he's going to get away with it ... in this life.
Has the concept ever been challenged in court? The only comparable blanket pardon was Nixon, and while there was a lot of grousing I don’t recall a court challenge?
You already may have noticed that the determination of the court is not of concern to the horrible excuse for POTUS we have. The court rules and he just turns around, doing as he pleases.
Unfortunately I think the President can…
Hunter's pardon is rock solid because he was actually convicted of committing Federal crimes. It cannot be reversed nor will it be because no attempt will be made to do so.
Biden cannot grant a prospective pardon. If any of these officials are called before a Congressional inquiry, and they are untruthful, they can then be prosecuted.
I would honestly welcome a Pardon. It would confirm guilt. As much as I want Tony Fauci in jail, the biggest issue going forward is transparency. And shutting down these labs.
I think the biggest issue is that the general public needs to know the truth.
If not you can count on a reBLEAT, plandemic or otherwise.
The Scamdemic was the world's first perfect proof of concept exercise.
The people validated the product wholesale.
The product is:
CONTROL
Fauci is just one variable.
Insert devil's advocate comment here: But will the duped even believe the evidence? Data apparently isn't real to many unless in the NYT, Post, or MSNBC/CNN.
He is not just avariable. More like the conductor, or at least the public face..
He's a "weighted" variable. But not the only variable.
The heaviest variable is the ignorance of the public.
Fauci is short for this world, the general population is not.
I stand by my assertion.
Conductor or puppet delegated to North America. Many puppets across the world who are pseudo elf frauds like Fauci in the plandemic following the puppeteers PLAN. Remember...the USA is like 330 million on a planet of 8.2 BILLION. Its ALL relative
Excellent point as usual!
A pardon does not confirm or even imply guilt if the pardon is issued by reason of innocence. If the pardon is pre-emptive, guilt or culpability is only speculative, but innocence is presumed under the Constitution.
You say that 'no one has offered hard evidence that Fauci knew early on that Sars-Cov-2 was manmade'. I disagree. There is an IP contract between Fauci, Baric, and Moderna for the Sars-Cov-2 vaccine -- meaning, they knew what its DNA sequence will be! And it's signed DECEMBER 2019!! (I have a copy)
The very idea of Fauci getting a pardon makes my head explode.
The only possible "up side," is that a pardon would tacitly mean he's guilty. If he didn't do anything wrong he wouldn't need a pardon .
Its not surprising. This is the most lawless administration since the Wilson regime.
It would sum up the worst president in the history of this country. Go ahead Mr Biden. Show us all your true colors and illegal connections.
We all knew that Joe was going to pardon Hunter. Not great, but not unexpected and not too big a deal. Fauci's crimes are worse than Hunter's. The economy of the whole country suffered, and children's learning progress was set back years. Some even lost their lives. Please, NO, do not pardon Fauci!
'Some' is a huge understatement. Fauci is responsible for deaths of 100's of THOUSANDS of people.
Its amazing how so FEW truly understand the scope of what Fauci is complicit with doing
The fact that Fauci requires a pardon tells you all you need to know. An all powerful escape artist and modern day war criminal. He was saved by the Senate elections- which prevented Rand Paul from getting at him. The only consolation for those of us who believe we will someday meet our maker is that he won't escape that.
My sentiments exactly