Pilots at Southwest appear to be sicking out in a rebellion against vaccine mandates that has crippled the airline since Friday.
Why Southwest and not United? Maybe because LUV is based in Dallas and has a 50-year-history of standing up to government overreach. On Friday the pilots’ union asked for a temporary halt to the mandate.
The flight cancellations began almost immediately and are continuing today.
This is a live update from Southwest in Orlando:
But don’t worry. Everything is fine. Uncle Joe and the media promise! As long as you don’t have to go anywhere or buy anything (including heating oil, soon enough - more on that coming).
This is what needs to happen across all industries. There is still no mandate and no FDA approved vaccine. Don’t let them force you to do anything which is unlawful, and while you’re at it, take that stupid piece of paper off your face!
We sure do! I don’t mind paying slightly more either and always try to support my local small businesses unless it’s truly out of my price budget, but a list would be helpful because I used to support a local bookstore in AZ that is otherwise a great shop, but 2 elections in a row their newsletter was bashing Republicans and Trump supporters (more than just implied but not said outright). I’ve stopped shopping there. Same with a Spice Shop. Had it not been for their stupidity in putting their political views in their newsletter, I’d probably would be unknowingly be supporting their cause.
That would be Penzey's Spices. I remember getting a vulgar email from them right after the election about not wanting my business if I voted for Trump. It was both dumb from a business perspective & insulting on a personal level even tho I didn't pull the lever for either candidate in 2016. And I have a food website that used to link to them. Not anymore.
Me, too. Bill Penzey is the only CEO I have ever written. Twice. They are headquartered fifteen minutes from my house and I could never walk in their store without dropping a significant amount of money. I am now down to my last couple of spice jars. Very sad.
You guess right! Plus they actually participated in the rioting and looting of their original location in MN or MO! That’s insurance fraud in my book (having been in the insurance industry 19+ years). I let them know too I was never shopping their store again and that it was a stupid business move
A local sandwich shop opened up and the owners Facebook page was all anti Trump. They never got my business. And yet I still support Amazon too much. I need to do better.
Agreed and I could also. I barely shop at Amazon anymore and only do if I can’t get directly from the company itself or I really need it ASAP but most times I can wait. We do the best we can which still leads to positive change (maybe not fast enough in this situation but still….).
This is great, thank you. Since I’m stuck in Chicago for now, I make it a game to see how much stuff I can buy in neighboring states from liberty-supporting companies. It’s actually fun to challenge yourself to do this and it feels GREAT to not support Marxists.
I canceled a fencing job last week after I went to their office and saw a Biden/Harris sticker. I have used this company several times over the years, no more. I canceled Amazon, Netflix, eBay, PayPal and American Express a while ago ... no longer buy Coke, Unilever products... don't go to McDonald's, Target or Macy's... don't use Facebook, Google, Twitter, Instagram....yep it's an adjustment, but America is worth it.
100%. Susan Rice on Netflix board was bad enough. But once the Obama deal was announced, we canceled that shit immediately and told them why: #NoObamaTV in this house.
Caro Lolita... if you are honest, congratulations. I won't lie, due to my situation (kind of like Paul the Apostle, not all that mobile), at times i have to use Ebay and Amazon but i do not have credit cards, nor PayPal account, nor subscribe to Netflix, don't go to fast food joints (i'm Italian-Canadian, and strong on being like my parents from the old country), never signed up to Facebook or IG, but do have a twitter account to spread truth like Jesus commands and expose evil and for the news. It is not so much about America being worth it, but rather it's worth doing what is righteous and true in God's eyes as best as you are able which is what makes a nation.
I'm becoming more and more convinced that people who go on wearing masks regardless of how much proof there is that they are ineffective are ugly and want to hide their faces or they're criminals. Why else would you do that to yourself, especially when you're out at public places where they're not required? We don't have mandates in stores (yet), but these people are everywhere, most of them younger, some who are older with purple hair. Why do that without an overwhelming range of proofs that they work unless you're going to rob a place or because you're ashamed of your face?
I was just musing the other day that if one airline stood up and resisted the govt’s unconstitutional mandate, we would all flock to use them. Just saying …
Same with facial piercings. It's an announcement of the 1000% victim drama, that will be played out in one way or another, in any interaction you have with them.
I was at a family event yesterday with my 88 year old parents. Everyone except my parents were fear baiting every Covid Topic! All grandmas and mothers remain committed to masks and vaccines for their kids etc! I was crazy inside but knew they were lost even in Montana. For Christmas they are all getting Fauchi Candles!!
Mental illness is being normalized in our progressive world. Look at the squad. Do normal, stable people pursue House members into the restroom stalls and yell at them. Years ago you would be put in a mental asylum or jail for similar actions.
l wear a mask in stores and public buildings. You judge and criticize me? It's none of your d****d business.
1) I have a blood cancer that's wrecked my immune system.
2) I will not get the vaxx - it's toxic, and besides, will not work on me, as myeloma reduces my ability to make antibodies to just 5-10% of a normal person's.
3) I use an N95, it may reduce transmission, or not, but it's worth the small sacrifice to me.
Please don't judge everyone you see. I'm not telling others they need to wear a mask, I'm not criticizing you. You don't know others' reasons or feelings - try being tolerant.
You are an exception to the norm is the point. Here's one question though: Were you wearing a mask before COVID? B/c there are a lot of airborne diseases that can kill you, probably much worse than covid.
No, I did not wear a mask, but long taken lots of vit. D, tons of supplements, and am careful. COVID is new, and involves unknowns. I hope I'd get a mild case (otherwise healthy) and plan to "treat myself", but no way to know if my particular immune dysfunction could get me condemned to death by ventilator.
Case in point: I was slicing some onions today and my eyes started tearing up. Ah...I have an N95 mask in the closet! I put it on and it slowed the tearing down, but finally was again overcome. So I went for the big gun....my Israeli tear-gas mask. The onion even seeped into it a wee bit. Bottom line.... if any air seeps around the mask, or your eyes and ears are unprotected, you still get exposed. So live your life and opt for prevention through wellness.
My great grandparents went through the same thing in 1917-18 with the Spanish flu, and guess what, Government then was just as stupid as it is today! They were also faced with mandates, but the country as a whole was still sane enough to to say hell no!
No, they approved Comirnaty - not available in the US and legally distinct from Pfizer. Pfizer just had the EUA extended. You can read the actual extension on the FDAs website. It is a very sketch bait and switch for reasons not disclosed
Except now the FDA has also released an updated info sheet that states “ The FDA-approved COMIRNATY (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA) and the FDA-authorized Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine under Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) have the same formulation and ***CAN BE USED INTERCHANGEABLY*** to provide the COVID-19 vaccination series.” (emphasis mine)
PS - The only reason I even know this is because I came across Sydney Powell’s legal filing suing the DoD to stop their vaccine mandate and it specifically mentions that this “can be used interchangeably” wording came from the FDA.
It appears that they quietly added this document and the specific wording in late September, likely to prevent people from being able to push back that the currently available jabs are not the actual FDA-approved ones. They really are trying to block every avenue for those of us who want freedom of medical choice.
If you get the Comirnaty-labeled shot (hypothetically speaking here, because you can't get it), you at least have some legal recourse if you are harmed by it. If you get the EUA shot, which is the only Pfizer one you can get here in the U.S., you have no legal recourse. Doesn't matter if the FDA says the compounds are interchangeable. The compounds don't matter. Only the label matters
"CAN BE USED INTERCHANGEABLY" does not mean you're getting a licensed product. If the dose does not say Comirnaty, it's not a licensed product with associated legal consequences. What's worse, the licensed product Comirnaty doesn't even have to prove it is safe against scientificaly sufficient data of concern for cardiac issues until October 31, 2025.
I just read the FDA site on this and my interpretation it’s approved for 16 and up and only extended for EU for 12-15 year olds and that it is being marketed now as Comirnaty
I’ve worked in a pharmacy and I understand the relevance of a brand name.
Is there a difference in terms of liability? Or is this a distinction without difference? As in, is there something I can point to tell my employer why I would only take the Comirnaty product?
Big difference in legal liability. Under EUA, NO ONE involved in giving you that shot — from the manufacturer, to the person who actually sticks the needle in your arm — has any liability for anything that might go wrong. Once a vaccine is approved and added to the childhood vaccine schedule (which already happened for Comirnaty) only the manufacturer has immunity from liability and any injuries you sustain go to Vaccine Court established under the 1986 law (even for adults, not just kids). They’ve already paid out billions over the years. Under EUA, if you are injured, you have to file a claim with a special office under HHS. It’s very restrictive and very hard to get compensated.
Plus, you must file within one year of the date of vaccination--if you have long-term adverse effects or if it takes months to figure out where your health went haywire, too bad. If these were normally trialled vaccines the time limit would be understandable as there would be data on long-term effects.
Another very good reason to never allow any child to receive more than one vaccine at a time. If there is an injury you will know exactly what caused it.
Thank you. That’s exactly what I needed to know. I’ve seen a lot of people talk about the distinction but haven’t seen a good explanation as for why that matters. Luckily my employer hasn’t mandated it yet but I do work for a law firm so I think they would be more receptive about the difference in terms of liability.
The distinction is the current EUA pfizer jabbie carries no liability. The supposedly "approved", but not available Cominarty jabbie does carry some limited liability.
This isn’t true. Go do more research, you’ll find out that the FDA approved stuff isn’t available and likely will not be available until 2023. They approved the future stuff and are just hoping people won’t pay attention to that.
It's already obsolete, that's why they're never going to manufacture it. It's a bait and switch to force people to accept the jabbie. That vax is 5 levels away from the current strains floating around. Getting that jabbie is the equivalent of getting an old flu shot from 5 years ago, as explained by a virologist on a panel I watched the other day. Boom!
FDA approved "Comirnaty" which can only be used once the current inventory of the exact same drug is used up, expected in 2023. The current Pfizer vax is still under EUA.
The FDA approved a vaccine that is not available. All the EUAs Vaccines are Now Illegal per Federal Law and FDA's own guidelines!! I guess rules do not apply anymore !!!!
Correct. FDA illegally extended Pfizer's EUA when the rules say that once they have an approved product the EUA goes away. The rules are only for the "little" people. We need to change that.
But since Comirnaty is not yet available, the conditions for EUA are still met. An alternative has to be available. If Pfizer never gets around to manufacturing Comirnaty it will never be available. We know they’re lying just because ivermectin is available, but as you said, rules don’t really apply to this. Jabs for everyone!
Actually, the rule is if a drug is approved, the EUA is AUTOMATICALLY NULL & VOID. So, the FDA illegally extended the EUA for Pfizer, against their own rules.
Their bait-and-switch is that Pfizer is legally distinct from Comirnaty. So Pfizer can be EUA, while Comirnaty is “approved” but not available. But, on the other hand, they’re interchangeable. It’s hard to wrap your head around it! Big question, if they are interchangeable then why didn’t FDA just “approve” Pfizer?
That's not how the system works. Both jabbies are from the same manufacturer. Once one jabbie got "approved", the other jabbie EUA is supposed to go away according to the FDA's rules. Instead, they illegally extended the EUA for the Pfizer jabbie in order to fool the public. The only bait n'switch is that they gave corporations the "cover" to force the vac on people because of the faux "approval". They are betting on people's ignorance of the reality that the approved jabbie isn't available, and people have a legal right to reject it (not that they don't have a legal right to reject the EUA one BTW).
Actually, the FDA approved Comirnaty, which is not available, not even being produced.
It was a deceitful bait-and-switch announcement, intended to obfuscate the matter and to confuse people. It apparently worked. The Pfizer drug for the Chinese virus is NOT FDA-approved. It is STILL only available under the longstanding EUA - Emergency Use Authorization.
Look, I don't care if people want the vaccine or not but if you read the above article which basically states
"On August 23, 2021, the FDA approved the first COVID-19 vaccine. The vaccine has been known as the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine, and will now be marketed as Comirnaty, for the prevention of COVID-19 disease in individuals 16 years of age and older." The EUA still in effect is for those under 16
I understand your confusion. I read the original approval/extension but the FDA has now removed it from their website. Sen Ron Johnson also notes that the FDA removed the original letter
Did they really? what lying scumbags. It was obvious from the original approval letter that the Pfizer and Comrinaty vaccine were 2 distinct products. It said exactly that.
The question is; is a person still required to indemnify the company before getting the currently available Pfizer jab (not Comirnaty) ... if so, then it's still considered EUA ... I don't have the answer to this, but that seems to be the question.
"The vaccine also continues to be available under emergency use authorization (EUA), including for individuals 12 years of age and older, for the administration of a third dose in certain immunocompromised people, and for a single booster dose in people: [...]"
So... Comirnaty is the licensed product. And the FDA acknowledges the EUA for Pfizer BioNTech.
Yep, right at the beginning they say that getting everyone jabbed is “the key to ending the pandemic.” False! The virus is and will be endemic like the flu, and we will never be rid of it. We need to live with that! We need REAL public health measures like information about vitamin d, eating well, exercise etc.
If you ask someone to walk you step by step through the process of how higher vaccination rates will end the pandemic you will get crickets. I do, however, believe that you can find someone that will create their own definition of "end the pandemic" in an attempt to answer the question. They've changed the definition of herd immunity, vaccine, anti-vax, effective, and safe so why not one more.
There is no new virus, CCP or otherwise. No one feared the ‘flu’ season, that flu vaccination campaign failed, so something needed to be done to cause new fear and compliance and thus a new jab campaign using a coronavirus which also causes colds/severe colds and flu and was likely causative in past FLU seasons (but no one knew) as well. Simple coronaviruses, of which we humans have a few, used to instill fear since most are not aware that we have been lied to for so very long…. Oh, for some education on viruses and how they are part of us, check out: virusesarenotcontagious.com and be uplifted!’
I don't disagree that we've been psy-opped and driven to levels of unnecessary fear, I've had the flu and I've had Covid-19. They're not the same. This was something new and different.
The problem is, with these PCR tests over the years they can be manipulated to show whatever they want them to…so you probably have had the FLU in the past from a coronavirus but they weren’t testing for it as the focus of fear was on Influenza A/B…. We all get sick from time to time and think we are feeling like dying.. Right now it seems like people forget that we DO get sick as our bodies are trying to detoxify from all of the crap in our environment and what we take in (meds/antibiotics/vaccines/drugs/bad food/etc. Take care
Very quickly I arrived to the very same conclusion. Omitting the reality that the larger number of infections, let alone multiple side effects, afflict the ones injected with experimental substances.
I posted on another thread that a healthy, active older woman who has been anti-vaxx was told to be vaxxed if she wanted to attend her granddaughter’s wedding this past June. For months she refused and the family didn’t budge. She finally went and got a vaxx just so she could attend her beloved granddaughter’s wedding. But she couldn’t go after all, because within a week of the vaxx she was paralyzed from the waist down. PT over the summer and continuing to now is slowly bringing back some movement. Thus — this loving grandmother missed her granddaughter’s wedding BECAUSE she got vaxxed. How cruel a fate! I wonder how “the family” feels now about pretty much FORCING her??
they feel nothing because they're going to go to great lengths to prove their opinion. That is what pride does! It blocks you from truth and in a weird way, you bring damage (destruction) to yourself because you're not listening to God. They missed "the memo" from the bible that says "do not fear, do not worry, be anxious for nothing". Everyone vaccinated ran like wild pigs for slaughter to get the vaccine, their shortsightedness was their own peril. THEY WERE LISTENING TO MESSAGES FROM EVIL MEN THAT WERE INTENTIONALLY DELIVERED TO PRODUCE FEAR AND CONTROL.
THE PROBLEM NOW IS, TO SAVE FACE....THE VACCINATED WILL HAVE TO DEFEND THEIR DECISION (TAKEN BASED ON FEAR) AND WON'T BE ABLE TO CONNECT THE DOTS OF CAUSE AND EFFECT, SHOULD THEY HAVE LONG TERM ILLNESS FROM THE VACCINES. THEN ANOTHER VACCINE AND A PILL FOR THIS AND ANOTHER DOC APPT FOR THIS MYSTERIOUS AILMENT... Then their mental state might not be able to resist...just keep them doped up on medications. It is possible to return to humility, but not likely.
modern day indian reservations. The same mentality that took over the indigenous people and pushed them further into obscurity! IS the evil spirit behind all you see in Biden/Obama/Clinton/Bush/Fauci/Gates/JNJ/Phizer/Moderna ETAL....they have no regard for human life or spirit and hide their evil behind "the good of all" but it'sreally at the expense of ALL.
My brother's office closed again a month ago because several people...double vaxxed...caught the 'ro while attending a family wedding where everyone was fully vaxxed.
Same thing is happening with a 84 year old friend that I help because she has no family in the state. Her daughter lives in Colorado and hasn't visited in two years, finally planned a trip to see her for thanksgiving then tells her she won't come unless her mother gets vaccinated. She doesn't want it becaUse two ladies in her tiny church, one had a stroke and the other a heart attack within days of it. But her daughter doesn't care.
I can’t begin to describe the rage I feel when I read this. This is not love. It is not care. At that age anything can kill them. The point of life is to LIVE. That poor woman. I hear about this all the time. I know a woman in her 70s whose children threatened to prevent her from ever seeing her young grandchildren again. I mean-the risk to the children is all but zero. And who are they to say they are doing it for the grandmother? Is it not her decision how she lives her life?
There is a special place in hell for people like that.
I agree, and the irony in it all is my friend told me her daughter got covid after she got the shot meanwhile my friend has been going to church, coming to friend's houses for holidays, all through covid when she was supposed to be hiding away in her home alone. She's coming to our family thanksgiving now since her daughter has cancelled.
Let me guess: Her daughter’s case would have been SO MUCH WORSE!!!! had she not been vaxxed, amirite?
Wow. Just wow. I pray you have the most wonderful Thanksgiving. I hope she has a great time. Covid is real and it can kill. But I want people to LIVE! To be healthy and active and interactive with others. God bless you and her.
Same happened with my friend, so she got the jab and May now be getting a booster even though they disagree with all this but they love their grandchildren so they risk dying for them. Even one of the kids and soon a second one will be vaccinated and the DIL is a pediatric nurse! Crazy. My daughter isn’t for these mandates but threatened to disown me because I’m not pro-choice
That’s just so sad! It angers me as well. She will regret it terribly when her Mother is gone and she sees the truth. In some ways, I’m thankful my parents didn’t have to go through this. For me, not seeing them would have killed me not the virus!
I have thought the same. So very thankful my grandparents are in heaven. They did not live to see the madness. My mom is in her late 70s and it is killing her. She grew up in what was like a Norman Rockwell painting. It was a beautiful life. Now she feels like a foreigner in our own country.
Yeah it’s just so horribly sad and I’m sure the shock of it all is actually killing people. I feel like a foreigner in our country so it’s gotta feel worse for those older than me
Guilty AF! As they should! No one should be coerced to be vaxxed. If they get vaxxed of their own volition and get injured or die, it was their decision.
This is a classic example of why I will not be jabbed. I am 71 and worked for over 40 years in the hospital trenches as a Registered Nurse and never got a flu shot and never had but a few bad colds (mostly dragged home by the little ones).
I have seen more than enough stats on deaths and injuries from the jabs. I follow the preventive protocol from FLCCC docs plus I will be getting my Ivermectin stash in a few days. In the meantime I have added Lysine to my daily supplements.
I only wear a mask to enter some stores and still frequent my favorite Mexican and Italian restaurants here in LA on the patios. (Pacos in Culver City and Alejos near LAX).
God has given me a good life with a robust immune system and I am not about to let liars like Biden, Fauci and Co. force me to get a jab that is not “safe” as advertised.
You are right on! Keep the faith. I am 68, had covid and recovered. I will not take a vaccine for this ..I also oppose using fetal cell lines in testing and development of any vaccine, have for my entire life! I choose not to comply.
I’m 69, very healthy, and had covid last Dec. Took vit D, C, quercetin, and zinc and did fine. Was back at the gym in 2 weeks, good as new, lol. I could name 50 people who had it last winter, many over 60. All recover and not one required hospitalization.
I was curious too. I taking NAC now in addition to the usual protocol. I’m afraid to add any more plus it’s getting expensive. I’m still waiting for my stash of Ivermectin as well.
Their use of the word, "recalcitrant" is better than a poker tell. They are saying right out of the gate that this is about obeying authority, and not science, medicine or public health.
But in 3D consciousness.."recalcitrant" IS the reality. They literally cannot think out of those boxes. Any attempt to persuade them otherwise is interpreted as like a terroristic assault. We aren't dealing with people that have perceptions that are on the same plane as ours. And there are a subset of consciousness-grifters that are highly profiting in a variety of ways from this dichotomy.
This has been on my mind a lot. How could this be worldwide? Makes ya wonder if you have the flu, it gives a Covid positive test if they run it too many cycles
It's worldwide because there exists an actual, real-life global cabal of egocentric, powerfully influencial people who are able to use this pandemic hysteria as a means to accomplish whatever their evil goal is.
an unvaxxed friend tested+ for covid and the flu in august?! No how is that happening. She swears she caught covid from a vaccinated client with breakthrough covid.
You also have to subtract all the deaths which had nothing to do with either including traffic and suicides but marked, "Covid related" or "probable Covid" in order to justify the continued state of emergency that never was.
The “authorities” have released the flu figures from last year. And the numbers were Rediculously low. So now they are encouraging us all to get the flu and Covid jabs all at once! No thank you🙀
The statistics are unreliable. Some diagnoses are based on tests but many are clinical decisions on symptoms, and billing. Early covid symptoms are same as flu, and they get paid better for covid. Flu isn't down, it's just misreported as covid. We set up pathological motives to fulfill the prophesy. It's entirely a manufactured crisis.
There is no new virus, CCP or otherwise. No one feared the ‘flu’ season, that flu vaccination campaign failed, so something needed to be done to cause new fear and compliance and thus a new jab campaign using a coronavirus which also causes colds/severe colds and flu and was likely causative in past FLU seasons (but no one knew) as well. Simple coronaviruses, of which we humans have a few, used to instill fear since most are not aware that we have been lied to for so very long…. Oh, for some education on viruses and how they are part of us, check out: virusesarenotcontagious.com and be uplifted!’
I just read the article and tweeted a message to Wired & the author pointing out the glaring omission of reasons people refuse these vaccines. I doubt either will reply.
I applaud you for this action! Like any statistical measure, what research “shows” is not the only important measure; what the research results do NOT show is equally important. That questionnaire at least should have had some blank lines below, inviting “Other reason(s) for not getting a vaccination.”
It's funny. Remember that whole 2012 hype? Supposedly that was an opportunity to transcend from "old" consciousness to next level consciousness. The true "question authority" consciousness. The reason 2012 was such a big deal was that if you didn't make the transition by then, you would be stuck for decades or centuries in the old consciousness. Like Dorothy being stuck in Oz. I swear we have been watching the two different planes of consciousness seriously delineate and define themselves over time since that year. Slowly at first, now all at once.
I also think they are either lying or manipulating the numbers on those who are refusing the jab. I think they are much larger than being reported. Also manipulating the corporate numbers for those who have been been fully jabbed.
of course they are! propaganda trying to make ppl think they're outnumbered so they better give in. You can't tell me as huge as United Airlines is, there were only 600 unvaxed?!! then the next week the news said it was 300. I seriously call bullshit on that report.
Of course they will not ask, leftists <i>(falsely called liberals)</i> are power and control freak diabolists and it's a historical fact that Communists like Lenin said something to the effect they will get you by slogans. Since the word "planet" comes from Greek "planetes" which means "wandering star"... they belong on the sun, what do you think Larvatus?
For a long time I have said pilots and doctors are the last real professionals in the country. I have lost faith in most docs. This give me hope. People with real jobs standing up to people who have fake jobs.
Isn't that what is called, "Corporate Medicine" and in theory is illegal in the US? How did we get from "Get a second opinion" to all doctors have to spout government propaganda, even if they know its a lie or bad science?
It’s incredibly disappointing to me. Most have simply given in, afraid of losing their job. We actually have doctors and nursing advocating withholding care if you’re not jabbed. It’s absolutely sickening these people are in healthcare.
It’s called Socialized Medicine and it’s what they are wanting. In theory it sounded great, but I’ve seen from my Canadian relatives how the whole notion has changed. It started off being something good into something bad. If you really want better treatment or a doctor you have to have separate private insurance which they’ll probably cut out there or pay out of pocket for a practitioner.
I work in medicine. ALL of my colleagues are aware of the true risk of COVID and are anti vaccination mandate. They may be "towing the line" in front of patients but, those who are true followers of the research know that this is baloney. Corporate medicine has, unfortunately, made public cowards of many very smart, very rigorous medical practitioners.
Pilots are very concerned they could have a jab injury that would disqualify them from flying. They need to make sure they can get disability if that happens. Then they will give in.
Haven't been to a doctor in 20+ years. I was t-boned by a 19 year old texting, red light runner a couple years ago and went to the ER to make sure neck was ok. When they found out I had no doctors and no medical history that they could access, I thought that I was going to be arrested. Seriously bad vibes and interrogations. How could I not have been tithing to big medicine/pharma for all of that time?? What kind of citizen was I?
Sad but true, but this lot doesn't even care to make a pretense of having at least one pair among them. Not even enough sense to be ashamed of their cowardice.
Good for them. Our neighbor is a Southwest pilot... got Covid in April... and is absolutely refusing to get the shot. A friend saw their flight out of Indianapolis canceled last night.
He, his wife and two kids tested positive at the same time. He and his wife described it as somewhere between a moderate to bad flu; the kids had a stuffy nose - and that was it. Unbelievable how the country is being destroyed for something as minor as this.
I just canceled three flights for a bit later on this month. I promised myself that if Southwest mandates the injections I’d be taking my business back. I hate it, it’s $1000 I’m never going to get back most likely (I don’t see this getting resolved by May of next year when these funds expire since I booked them back in 2019 before Covid mania happened), but the idea of flying while pilots have this weighing on them, on top of dealing with the anger and dismay so palpable in every airport in the country right now, I’m out.
I didn’t. I thought about it, but all I can think is that they’ll end up black losing me for future flights. I’m comfortable with not spending money there, but at the moment I have zero trust in any of these places to take a comment in the manner they would have two years ago. Note if you complain you might end up with the FBI at your door. Half joking there…. Maybe one quarter joking.
Still write them. If more people did, it may (or may not) it will send hopefully a message and you’ll know you at least you gave feedback as to why you cancelled your flight and ask for an extension for your funds.
Yes definitely. Sadly, I also wrote my thoughts on all this to Southwest way before all this happened as it’s the only airline I’ll fly on even though I have family working for AA. All I got was that it would be forwarded on and I never heard back :-( When that happened it was cause for concern. They’ve always written me back if I wrote about an issue.
I get that you’re making fun of me, but I’m okay with that. The well being of myself, my mom, and my son are worth that money. I don’t want to fly through the skies with pilots who are saddled with this sort of decision, inject or get fired. No thanks. I hope your day is a little better though now that you’ve pooped on someone else.
I love this airline too. Last time I flew was before the plandemic and I was pleasantly surprised at the patriotism of the entire crew. The pilot even had an American flag tie!
I felt like Lee Greenwood was playing in the background
I have had 2 good experiences myself. First time I flew was at the tail end of the lockdowns and start of mask mandates. I’m deaf with cochlears and always let the crew know I’m deaf in case of an Emergency. The flight attendant lowered her mask for all the flight instructions so I could read her lips and then asked if it was helpful as I don’t sign (not well anyway). The second time was this past Spring during all the craziness with the masks, but afterwards stopped by my seat and wrote out to ask if I needed help understanding. I always take note of things on my own like exits and try to count seats in case of a crash and it’s dark (sister is a former flight attendant) but I really appreciated this effort on her part knowing she couldn’t take off her mask because of rules.
I've been flying SW exclusively for over 10 years. Never felt safer flying with them than during Covid! We used to always get sick on planes it was just the price of flying, but now with fresh air instead of recirculating air planes feel so safe!! Making employees get vaccinated after flying this entire time without huge outbreaks is against logic.
While I am not a pilot, our company issued their mandate on Friday, tight before our Thanksgiving weekend up here in Cda. I dont particularly see it as a carrot, but another stick. Poke poke, poke. GTFO.
Don’t know. Everyone but 300 people caved at United and it will probably be the same at SWA. The pilot union might negotiate a deal for pilots but the flight attendant and mechanics unions refuse to get involved and those work groups are scared and likely to cave. Delta hasn’t announced anything yet but I have a feeling they are panicking. Being Atlanta based, they have a lot of black employees and the vax rates in that population are really low for a good reason. We’ll see.
The parasitical mind of unions has evolved from sucking money from workers to the inclusion of employers exploitation as well. It's all about "equity". The least important factor in that equation is the worker.
Your statement assumes that unions were actually relevant at some point in the past. Their actual value to workers is vastly overstated, and their supposed role in improving working conditions is largely a myth of their own making.
We all are encouraged and support these folks who are courageous enough to put their careers on the line . . . until whatever it is affects us directly. Like having your flight canceled the day before you’re scheduled to leave on a trip you booked weeks ago. Very frustrating. But it’s time to nut-up to this crap and stand tough, even if means our lives are significantly disrupted.
Thank goodness; this is the template to follow in pushing back. Marches and protests don’t matter - show that it is not possible for them to get what they want.
Especially Southwest! They make a big effing deal of telling us that the cabin air is completely replaced ever 2-3 minutes. The New England Journal of Medicine points out that "Public health authorities define a significant exposure to Covid-19 as face-to-face contact within 6 feet with a patient with symptomatic Covid-19 that is sustained for at least a few minutes (and some say more than 10 minutes or even 30 minutes."
That's face-to-face contact (not passive sitting near or even next to) within 6 feet of a SYMPTOMATIC person, and for anywhere from a few minutes to THIRTY minutes. And yet Southwest replaces the entirety of the cabin air every 2-3 minutes.
So WTF, Southwest?? Why masks? Why Chinese virus jabs? Can you be any more inconsistent and hypocritical and asinine?
I’m not disagreeing with anything you’ve said here, but I will say this: I’ve been blessed with a pretty good immune system. 27 years in my company (today) and I’ve been out sick (really sick, not brown bottle flu) less than a dozen times. But every time I fly, I catch something that produces an immune response. So I say the replaced air is total BS.
Airplane air can be very drying, and flying at high altitude in a pressurized tube is a change the body has to deal with. The “minor cold” symptoms - stuffy nose, sore throat, etc. - that many experience after flying are usually due to those factors and not exposure to germs in flight.
People interested in the legal authority of Southwest and other employers to impose these vaccine mandates can get a lot of helpful information from https://vivabarneslaw.locals.com. You need to scroll through to relevant sections but in many videos Robert Barnes spends 10-20 minutes laying out various aspects of employment law. And the employment law is pretty strong to protect employees from vaccine mandates. That's why jabbering joe and his handlers are trying to rush this through; they don't want courts looking at this. Robert Barnes is also on youtube but censorship means most of his vaccine legal analysis is not available on that platform. You can also find Robert Barnes on other platforms if you search around.
I disagree with this: "That's why jabbering joe and his handlers are trying to rush this through; they don't want courts looking at this." Resident Biden isn't rushing anything. He issued a press release that said he was gonna do something, and that was it. Southwest et al are doing this on their own. They have no governmental edict or mandate or rule or law or ANYTHING. The POS Biden Administration has done nothing to turn this into a mandate...because they know they don't need to! They know the unholy marriage of government and corporate America will have corporate aholes like Southwest do the dirty work for them.
Repeat: there IS no Biden Administration vaxx mandate, and yet corporate America is imposing that which does NOT exist.
Bravo pilots!!! Did the airline CEOs cave so quickly because of the huge Federal bailouts? And with colleges were student mandates imposed cause of fear of losing federal research grants?
Southwest is a public corporation. Most public corporations are controlled by institutional investors such as Vanguard and Blackrock. The stock market is an illusion of diffused ownership, when in fact, most corporations are controlled by the same people.
This is how Lynn Forester de Rothschild, who with her husband owns the Economist Group, can recruit hundreds of corporations to join hands and chant "Voter ID is racist, but only in the US:"
These are the same people who planned the pandemic, developed the virus as well as the vaccine, and are now trying to force the vaccine into every 6-month-old baby.
How does this relate to Southwest?
These people DO NOT CARE if Southwest goes bankrupt. The entire purpose of this exercise is to decimate Western economies - if not also the Western people. The purpose is to reduce real GDP per capita in Western countries by about 5x and bring it to the level of China or Costa Rica.
These people do not care if Southwest goes bankrupt. As far as they're concerned, you should not be allowed to fly.
Pilots and employees from all airlines and transport companies. Lots of passengers are joining them. As of last week they had more than 50,000 who have joined them. Please join if you value freedom.
Here's the problem with that group's efforts, IMO:
"While we can’t divulge specific case details, we can tell you that as soon as President Biden’s Executive Order is issued mandating all companies over 100 employees enforce vaccinations or be subject to weekly testing, our Council is ready to file suit immediately to stop this."
The problem is that there currently ISN'T an executive order mandating the jabs...and yet the corporate mandates and firings are proceeding quickly and broadly. There doesn't NEED to be a federal mandate, if corporate America is acting as if there WERE a federal mandate.
So waiting to file a lawsuit until Resident Biden issues an executive order is pointless and meaningless, precisely because there IS no EO. And there won't be, because Resident Biden's administration knows that they only need to issue a press release about an EO.
Their fights need to be at the corporate America level. THAT'S where this sh*t is happening.
They need to be suing the pants off the Southwests and Uniteds and EVERY other major corporate entity that's forcing their employees to choose between unemployment and being jabbed with experimental drugs.
As a retired flight attendant I know these people have everything to lose. God gives strong men and women courage for a time such as this, God continue to sustain these brave professionals.
If this happened with all airlines and all industries there would be a stop to this insanity. It really astounds me how people can still believe in this obvious scam.
Forcing healthy people to take an EAU injection that does not stop infection or transmission in order to keep their jobs. I no longer recognize my country.
So funny...actually not. My friend just texted me that she is stuck in Arkansas because her flights have been cancelled. They told her it was because the pilot had Covid and had to quarantine entire flight crew. Her husband looked it up and said flights were cancelled because of weather. And of course, the truth comes out here. Good for southwest pilots!
Saw a headline about ferry boats being canceled in Washington due to lack of staff.
Let's hope this rebellion is more contagious than the disease.
This whole "Pandemic" just reeks of criminality. Anyone remember the Opioid Pandemic? Big Pharma learned some lessons from that one. Make your products liability free and have the government pay for the whole shebang.
And Uncle Joe and Gavin Newsom have become shills for Big Pharma, mandating injections for workers and then even for children for a virus that doesn't affect children. Wait, what?
I am thinking the pilots can do this themselves. Think about it, if all the major airlines have to cancel thousands of flights per day, the mandates would end very quickly thereafter. Come on pilots, the ball is in your court.
I wish the pilots had more sense and guts to revolt against a pointless mask mandate as well. We will NEVER fly Southwest ever again due to their Nazi like treatment of disabled children on the flights. The crews are aggressive, rude, intimidating, angry, spiteful, ignorant, condescending, and like little Stasi spies throughout their flights. Yelling at poor kids and their caregivers if a mask slips below their version of the Nasal Mendoza Line. It is appalling.
They and other airlines ( like American) have a means to REQUEST a waiver but they do everything they can to make this a huge insurmountable hurdle. For example American does not openly advise they have this option. They make one find a secret number to call. Then, the agents WILL NOT even email the appropriate instructions which are odious and require renewal 30 days after a physician letter is dated, not from the time of the original flight mind you. So caregivers and adult patients need to be burdened with multiple time pressured visits to physicians every time they need to fly.
Somehow this seems to smack of a violation of the spirit and letter of the law pertaining to the Americans with Disabilities Act.
Pathetic. All for what? 1.2 billion passengers and 62 “possible “ CV19 cases? FWIW the US government last September STOPPED screening arriving passengers to the entry site airports because there were 19 possible cases out of a survey of approximately 700,000. In other words, they know the futility of this but need to ride Joe and the left’s hard on against what they still see as a “Trump” follower boogy man. It is irrelevant what the science is. It is a decisive issue so they run with it. Now finally we are seeing push back. The powers will scramble to find a way to prop up their position and punish the “unnecessary” members of the economy to keep the fear factor going.
My sister was visiting in PHX and due to fly to MDW yesterday. We received a cancellation notice from SWA around 1:45 and noticed there were NO flights on SWA available for rebooking yesterday (Saturday) nor today (Sunday). AA also had nothing which was weird--must be some sort of relationship between the two. I quickly found a flight for her on United and she got home. BUT, the AZCentral news reported it was an Air Traffic Control issue and weather in the East. That sounded super-fishy. The other airlines didn't have cancellations...
Orlando Florida, FAA walked out due to mandates , can’t confirm actual times , but it happened! Remember when they all walked out years ago and Reagan fired them ?? This time , they had every reason to and I’m okay with it ! Keep fighting back !
Sometimes to fight or get your point across, you have to hit where it hurts, the money train. This is what gets heads turned and changes made. Good for you pilots, good for you. Problem is, the other side can do it to us by mandates and losing our jobs but we fight back the same way when we can. Hit companies in the pocketbook, boycott those making mandates. If we all do our part, we can change this.
You’re spot on-from school board to school board, Governor to Governor, letters to the editors, letters to CEOs, and every media opportunity we have to get this point across- we’re awake now and we’ve absolutely had it!
Flood Southwest's Twitter account with complaints, if you can. I just Tweeted this:
"Stay strong, @SouthwestAir pilots. We have your back. Southwest is my go-to airline, but this asinine, disgraceful, stupid mandate has me staying grounded for the foreseeable future.
Mandating experimental drugs (no, they are NOT vaccines; the execrable @CDCgov had to change the long-standing definition of "vaccine" solely and exclusively so that the Chinese virus experimental drugs could be called vaccines) is immoral and unethical. And that's especially so, given the FACT that there are ZERO long-term data about their safety. Literally zero.
The Chinese virus experimental nonvaccine drugs have been around for less than one year. It took FOUR YEARS to learn of the Thalidomide disaster. So why, @SouthwestAir, are you so unethical as to mandate the jabs? Hmmm???"
Keep the updates coming Alex ... I got punted from Twitter last week ... one and done. They had ignored my 100s of re-tweets and comments UNTIL the one where I claimed that the spike protein manufactured by the body from the mRNA vax is toxic and can result in viral shedding.
According to Dr. Pierre Kory and verified by Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance ( FLCCC), 100 to 200 Congressmen/staff/family who contracted COVID were treated with Ivermectin.
So while Congress pummels us to take the jab, they don't- and then do all they can to prevent us from getting the very therapeutics that they used themselves.
I’m in Jacksonville and the word is Air Traffic Control walked out Friday night at Jacksonville center over vax mandate. There’s little media coverage of this even locally. Southwest had put out a statement Friday night that blamed ATC “issues” and bad weather There was no bad weather Friday night. It had moved out of the area by 2-3pm. Guess they don’t realize people actually live here and can debunk their bs
We need to support the field workers more than ever in this fight. White collar corporate folks like myself the corporations will just be offshored, but you can’t offshore truck drivers or utility line repair guys. Wait until there is a pumpkin shortage in a week because there are no truck drivers to haul them (seriously, church has already cancelled the pumpkin patch fundraiser)
In Russia the people punished the businesses requiring vaccine passports by refusing to do any business with them. The businesses then went after their local politicians and the local politicians stopped the passport requirement.
But that is Russia... not America where the people don't seem to care about their earned freedoms.
Meanwhile the media upholds its soviet standards by not reporting the Southwest plots or the Jacksonville flight controllers. Major stories of disruption to US travel are ignored so as not to undermine mandates and pandementia. The media is the virus.
This is what needs to happen across all industries. There is still no mandate and no FDA approved vaccine. Don’t let them force you to do anything which is unlawful, and while you’re at it, take that stupid piece of paper off your face!
The people have the power! All it takes are a few courageous people to show the way.
By the People, For the People, Of the People....It's about time we start acting like the PEOPLE !!!
RESIST !!!!!!
Yes!
YES !! Stop empowering companies by buying their products!! Time for a Buyers Strike !!!
We need a list of unwoke businesses!
We sure do! I don’t mind paying slightly more either and always try to support my local small businesses unless it’s truly out of my price budget, but a list would be helpful because I used to support a local bookstore in AZ that is otherwise a great shop, but 2 elections in a row their newsletter was bashing Republicans and Trump supporters (more than just implied but not said outright). I’ve stopped shopping there. Same with a Spice Shop. Had it not been for their stupidity in putting their political views in their newsletter, I’d probably would be unknowingly be supporting their cause.
That would be Penzey's Spices. I remember getting a vulgar email from them right after the election about not wanting my business if I voted for Trump. It was both dumb from a business perspective & insulting on a personal level even tho I didn't pull the lever for either candidate in 2016. And I have a food website that used to link to them. Not anymore.
I also got that email. I immediately fired off an email of my own to them, explaining why I would never buy a Penzey's product again.
Me, too. Bill Penzey is the only CEO I have ever written. Twice. They are headquartered fifteen minutes from my house and I could never walk in their store without dropping a significant amount of money. I am now down to my last couple of spice jars. Very sad.
You guess right! Plus they actually participated in the rioting and looting of their original location in MN or MO! That’s insurance fraud in my book (having been in the insurance industry 19+ years). I let them know too I was never shopping their store again and that it was a stupid business move
I received that email as well. It's a darn shame they some of the freshest spices and best blends around.
Penzys! So annoying! I stopped shopping there. So stupid of them. I miss the Tandoori blend tho.
Yes!! I also remember getting that email from them and I unsubscribed and haven't ordered anything since. I almost forgot about that!
See how dumb libtards are!
Thank you for the heads up! I usually buy spices from them, but don't get their emails. Will switch to the Spice House.
They has to close where I am. Ha!
Yes!
A local sandwich shop opened up and the owners Facebook page was all anti Trump. They never got my business. And yet I still support Amazon too much. I need to do better.
Agreed and I could also. I barely shop at Amazon anymore and only do if I can’t get directly from the company itself or I really need it ASAP but most times I can wait. We do the best we can which still leads to positive change (maybe not fast enough in this situation but still….).
Under the rubric of the lesser to the two evils, give Walmart online a try. They're far from perfect. Delivery times are typically longer.
I don't strictly boycott Amazon. But I put extra effort into letting them have as little of my $ as possible.
2nd Vote. Check out their website. They grade companies on Left/Right donations as an indicator of what they believe in.
This is great, thank you. Since I’m stuck in Chicago for now, I make it a game to see how much stuff I can buy in neighboring states from liberty-supporting companies. It’s actually fun to challenge yourself to do this and it feels GREAT to not support Marxists.
Thanks, will check it out 👍
Do you have to pay a membership fee to get the list from 2nd Vote?
Go to The Spice House instead - it's the sister of the Penzey's Spices guy (whose parents started Penzey's).
Great spices, and she refuses to get political with her business.
Agree 100%.
Try starve the beast.com and I think lin wood the attorney has a list or website
Thanks! 👍
Local businesses, definitely. Use cash whenever possible.
Good idea on the cash!
please! and can we have a list of the completely WOKE BUSINESSES so we know clearly who to take down?
I read yesterday that Delta Airlines management will not enforce a vaccine mandate.
Where did you read that? Cite your sources please. This is not an MSM website, lol.
https://skift.com/2021/10/05/why-holdout-delta-air-lines-is-still-not-mandating-vaccines-for-workers/
WE ARE PUTTING THE WOKE TO SLEEP.
Look at 2nd Vote and donate to them, too, They do the work.
Thank you Susan.
I canceled a fencing job last week after I went to their office and saw a Biden/Harris sticker. I have used this company several times over the years, no more. I canceled Amazon, Netflix, eBay, PayPal and American Express a while ago ... no longer buy Coke, Unilever products... don't go to McDonald's, Target or Macy's... don't use Facebook, Google, Twitter, Instagram....yep it's an adjustment, but America is worth it.
100%. Susan Rice on Netflix board was bad enough. But once the Obama deal was announced, we canceled that shit immediately and told them why: #NoObamaTV in this house.
Caro Lolita... if you are honest, congratulations. I won't lie, due to my situation (kind of like Paul the Apostle, not all that mobile), at times i have to use Ebay and Amazon but i do not have credit cards, nor PayPal account, nor subscribe to Netflix, don't go to fast food joints (i'm Italian-Canadian, and strong on being like my parents from the old country), never signed up to Facebook or IG, but do have a twitter account to spread truth like Jesus commands and expose evil and for the news. It is not so much about America being worth it, but rather it's worth doing what is righteous and true in God's eyes as best as you are able which is what makes a nation.
Agreed
330 million Americans.
Far fewer government enforcement agents.
Tie them up in knots by Not Showing Up.
I'm becoming more and more convinced that people who go on wearing masks regardless of how much proof there is that they are ineffective are ugly and want to hide their faces or they're criminals. Why else would you do that to yourself, especially when you're out at public places where they're not required? We don't have mandates in stores (yet), but these people are everywhere, most of them younger, some who are older with purple hair. Why do that without an overwhelming range of proofs that they work unless you're going to rob a place or because you're ashamed of your face?
I was just musing the other day that if one airline stood up and resisted the govt’s unconstitutional mandate, we would all flock to use them. Just saying …
I totally would! And I bet there wouldn’t be a huge spread of illness either!
We would too!
And the political fallout would be enormous and then the govt using big tech and the media would find a way to severely punish them for disobeying.
Purple haired people have a mental illness 90%+ of the time. It’s one of the clearest indicators.
Same with facial piercings. It's an announcement of the 1000% victim drama, that will be played out in one way or another, in any interaction you have with them.
Don’t get me started on the victim drama of people with facial piercings !
Let’s not sweep with too broad a brush. I don’t appreciate “the look,” but many are just lonely sheeple.
Yeah I don’t like to stereotype
My brother has purple hair and has a handful of diagnosed mental illnesses.
The only time I had purple hair was do to a DIY dye job. LOL
It is fear....fear psychosis. Their only salvation is the complete eradication of the virus which is never going to happen. I know several.
2nd behind ppl who still have BETO bumper stickers on their cars.
Or Hillary stickers
I was at a family event yesterday with my 88 year old parents. Everyone except my parents were fear baiting every Covid Topic! All grandmas and mothers remain committed to masks and vaccines for their kids etc! I was crazy inside but knew they were lost even in Montana. For Christmas they are all getting Fauchi Candles!!
! Aye Caramba !
How in the world did you stay composed?
Mental illness is being normalized in our progressive world. Look at the squad. Do normal, stable people pursue House members into the restroom stalls and yell at them. Years ago you would be put in a mental asylum or jail for similar actions.
There’s been several studies that show Progressives have more mental illnesses especially females
She is a Senator. Krysten Sinema.
l wear a mask in stores and public buildings. You judge and criticize me? It's none of your d****d business.
1) I have a blood cancer that's wrecked my immune system.
2) I will not get the vaxx - it's toxic, and besides, will not work on me, as myeloma reduces my ability to make antibodies to just 5-10% of a normal person's.
3) I use an N95, it may reduce transmission, or not, but it's worth the small sacrifice to me.
Please don't judge everyone you see. I'm not telling others they need to wear a mask, I'm not criticizing you. You don't know others' reasons or feelings - try being tolerant.
You are an exception to the norm is the point. Here's one question though: Were you wearing a mask before COVID? B/c there are a lot of airborne diseases that can kill you, probably much worse than covid.
I don't think masks should be required, but I'm MUCH more concerned about lack of early treatment, and sensorship of all "non-Narrative" information.
No, I did not wear a mask, but long taken lots of vit. D, tons of supplements, and am careful. COVID is new, and involves unknowns. I hope I'd get a mild case (otherwise healthy) and plan to "treat myself", but no way to know if my particular immune dysfunction could get me condemned to death by ventilator.
I wonder if makeup sales have taken a hit?
It's called virtue signaling.
My husband said the same thing
Yes....
By the People, For the People, Of the People....It's about time we start acting like the PEOPLE !!!
RESIST !!!!!!
Masks are the American burkas
The Revolt is coming.....
https://www.ctpost.com/news/article/Hundreds-of-thousands-of-U-S-troops-have-not-yet-16522715.php
This.
All the pilots should bring the airlines down simple as that. All of them! Then the rest of us stop flying.
Perfect solution!! We need to really push back and take that shit off your face !!
Case in point: I was slicing some onions today and my eyes started tearing up. Ah...I have an N95 mask in the closet! I put it on and it slowed the tearing down, but finally was again overcome. So I went for the big gun....my Israeli tear-gas mask. The onion even seeped into it a wee bit. Bottom line.... if any air seeps around the mask, or your eyes and ears are unprotected, you still get exposed. So live your life and opt for prevention through wellness.
Amen!
Amen!
Boom!
My great grandparents went through the same thing in 1917-18 with the Spanish flu, and guess what, Government then was just as stupid as it is today! They were also faced with mandates, but the country as a whole was still sane enough to to say hell no!
It may feel good to post to one another here, but why not support the pilots and let your voices be heard by Southwest?
https://support.southwest.com/email-us/s/
https://community.southwest.com/t5/Discussion-Forum/ct-p/Support
Thank you Beanie, you do make a valid point, and i usually take initiative like this to go and email them so thanks.
@NickC. You mean thrall muzzle and that these are not vaccines but mRNA Gene Altering Injections... but other than that i agree.
Yes.
Actually, FDA has approved Pfizer as of August 23 for 16 and up...just keeping the facts straight.
No, they approved Comirnaty - not available in the US and legally distinct from Pfizer. Pfizer just had the EUA extended. You can read the actual extension on the FDAs website. It is a very sketch bait and switch for reasons not disclosed
Except now the FDA has also released an updated info sheet that states “ The FDA-approved COMIRNATY (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA) and the FDA-authorized Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine under Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) have the same formulation and ***CAN BE USED INTERCHANGEABLY*** to provide the COVID-19 vaccination series.” (emphasis mine)
https://www.fda.gov/media/144414/download Third paragraph and footnote 1.
Bait and switch. If they can be used interchangeably then they should have approved Pfizer and dropped the EUA. Why didn’t they?
PS - The only reason I even know this is because I came across Sydney Powell’s legal filing suing the DoD to stop their vaccine mandate and it specifically mentions that this “can be used interchangeably” wording came from the FDA.
It appears that they quietly added this document and the specific wording in late September, likely to prevent people from being able to push back that the currently available jabs are not the actual FDA-approved ones. They really are trying to block every avenue for those of us who want freedom of medical choice.
If you get the Comirnaty-labeled shot (hypothetically speaking here, because you can't get it), you at least have some legal recourse if you are harmed by it. If you get the EUA shot, which is the only Pfizer one you can get here in the U.S., you have no legal recourse. Doesn't matter if the FDA says the compounds are interchangeable. The compounds don't matter. Only the label matters
Exactly.
"CAN BE USED INTERCHANGEABLY" does not mean you're getting a licensed product. If the dose does not say Comirnaty, it's not a licensed product with associated legal consequences. What's worse, the licensed product Comirnaty doesn't even have to prove it is safe against scientificaly sufficient data of concern for cardiac issues until October 31, 2025.
I just read the FDA site on this and my interpretation it’s approved for 16 and up and only extended for EU for 12-15 year olds and that it is being marketed now as Comirnaty
I’ve worked in a pharmacy and I understand the relevance of a brand name.
Is there a difference in terms of liability? Or is this a distinction without difference? As in, is there something I can point to tell my employer why I would only take the Comirnaty product?
Big difference in legal liability. Under EUA, NO ONE involved in giving you that shot — from the manufacturer, to the person who actually sticks the needle in your arm — has any liability for anything that might go wrong. Once a vaccine is approved and added to the childhood vaccine schedule (which already happened for Comirnaty) only the manufacturer has immunity from liability and any injuries you sustain go to Vaccine Court established under the 1986 law (even for adults, not just kids). They’ve already paid out billions over the years. Under EUA, if you are injured, you have to file a claim with a special office under HHS. It’s very restrictive and very hard to get compensated.
Plus, you must file within one year of the date of vaccination--if you have long-term adverse effects or if it takes months to figure out where your health went haywire, too bad. If these were normally trialled vaccines the time limit would be understandable as there would be data on long-term effects.
Another very good reason to never allow any child to receive more than one vaccine at a time. If there is an injury you will know exactly what caused it.
Good point, also.
Thank you. That’s exactly what I needed to know. I’ve seen a lot of people talk about the distinction but haven’t seen a good explanation as for why that matters. Luckily my employer hasn’t mandated it yet but I do work for a law firm so I think they would be more receptive about the difference in terms of liability.
The distinction is the current EUA pfizer jabbie carries no liability. The supposedly "approved", but not available Cominarty jabbie does carry some limited liability.
This isn’t true. Go do more research, you’ll find out that the FDA approved stuff isn’t available and likely will not be available until 2023. They approved the future stuff and are just hoping people won’t pay attention to that.
It's already obsolete, that's why they're never going to manufacture it. It's a bait and switch to force people to accept the jabbie. That vax is 5 levels away from the current strains floating around. Getting that jabbie is the equivalent of getting an old flu shot from 5 years ago, as explained by a virologist on a panel I watched the other day. Boom!
Can you point out where on the site we can find this? If this is true they sure fooled me!
https://www.fda.gov/media/151710/download
Now go to page 6 and read all about the studies they have yet to do. Cardiac studies due in Oct 2025; pregnancy study due Dec 2025. Yikes!
FDA approved "Comirnaty" which can only be used once the current inventory of the exact same drug is used up, expected in 2023. The current Pfizer vax is still under EUA.
And thus cannot be mandated, Period !!!
The FDA approved a vaccine that is not available. All the EUAs Vaccines are Now Illegal per Federal Law and FDA's own guidelines!! I guess rules do not apply anymore !!!!
Correct. FDA illegally extended Pfizer's EUA when the rules say that once they have an approved product the EUA goes away. The rules are only for the "little" people. We need to change that.
But since Comirnaty is not yet available, the conditions for EUA are still met. An alternative has to be available. If Pfizer never gets around to manufacturing Comirnaty it will never be available. We know they’re lying just because ivermectin is available, but as you said, rules don’t really apply to this. Jabs for everyone!
Actually, the rule is if a drug is approved, the EUA is AUTOMATICALLY NULL & VOID. So, the FDA illegally extended the EUA for Pfizer, against their own rules.
Their bait-and-switch is that Pfizer is legally distinct from Comirnaty. So Pfizer can be EUA, while Comirnaty is “approved” but not available. But, on the other hand, they’re interchangeable. It’s hard to wrap your head around it! Big question, if they are interchangeable then why didn’t FDA just “approve” Pfizer?
That's not how the system works. Both jabbies are from the same manufacturer. Once one jabbie got "approved", the other jabbie EUA is supposed to go away according to the FDA's rules. Instead, they illegally extended the EUA for the Pfizer jabbie in order to fool the public. The only bait n'switch is that they gave corporations the "cover" to force the vac on people because of the faux "approval". They are betting on people's ignorance of the reality that the approved jabbie isn't available, and people have a legal right to reject it (not that they don't have a legal right to reject the EUA one BTW).
Actually, the FDA approved Comirnaty, which is not available, not even being produced.
It was a deceitful bait-and-switch announcement, intended to obfuscate the matter and to confuse people. It apparently worked. The Pfizer drug for the Chinese virus is NOT FDA-approved. It is STILL only available under the longstanding EUA - Emergency Use Authorization.
Exactly right. No FDA approved jab available in the US.
Thank you !! So many people don’t know that !
Correct and even on that day as I was waiting in the lobby of a Dr.’s office the news channel they had on lied and said it was 12 and up!
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-covid-19-vaccine
That is what they have "named" it but it is the same vaccine that has been distributed...if interested read the info on the web page.
The two are legally distinct. So the one we are using is not approved. It’s word salad.
Important word salad.
https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19/comirnaty-and-pfizer-biontech-covid-19-vaccine
Look, I don't care if people want the vaccine or not but if you read the above article which basically states
"On August 23, 2021, the FDA approved the first COVID-19 vaccine. The vaccine has been known as the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine, and will now be marketed as Comirnaty, for the prevention of COVID-19 disease in individuals 16 years of age and older." The EUA still in effect is for those under 16
I understand your confusion. I read the original approval/extension but the FDA has now removed it from their website. Sen Ron Johnson also notes that the FDA removed the original letter
Did they really? what lying scumbags. It was obvious from the original approval letter that the Pfizer and Comrinaty vaccine were 2 distinct products. It said exactly that.
https://www.fda.gov/media/151710/download
Still wrong about the jab out there now ! Not future drugs
Except they say comirnaty is not available yet but the one w EUA approval is basically similiar.
The question is; is a person still required to indemnify the company before getting the currently available Pfizer jab (not Comirnaty) ... if so, then it's still considered EUA ... I don't have the answer to this, but that seems to be the question.
Quote from the link you posted:
"The vaccine also continues to be available under emergency use authorization (EUA), including for individuals 12 years of age and older, for the administration of a third dose in certain immunocompromised people, and for a single booster dose in people: [...]"
So... Comirnaty is the licensed product. And the FDA acknowledges the EUA for Pfizer BioNTech.
Nice catch.
Wow, every single one of their arguments included a lie, either direct or omission eg; still pretending the vaccine somehow protects those around you.
Yep, right at the beginning they say that getting everyone jabbed is “the key to ending the pandemic.” False! The virus is and will be endemic like the flu, and we will never be rid of it. We need to live with that! We need REAL public health measures like information about vitamin d, eating well, exercise etc.
Agreed, but oh that wouldn’t make them rich elites!
If you ask someone to walk you step by step through the process of how higher vaccination rates will end the pandemic you will get crickets. I do, however, believe that you can find someone that will create their own definition of "end the pandemic" in an attempt to answer the question. They've changed the definition of herd immunity, vaccine, anti-vax, effective, and safe so why not one more.
There is no new virus, CCP or otherwise. No one feared the ‘flu’ season, that flu vaccination campaign failed, so something needed to be done to cause new fear and compliance and thus a new jab campaign using a coronavirus which also causes colds/severe colds and flu and was likely causative in past FLU seasons (but no one knew) as well. Simple coronaviruses, of which we humans have a few, used to instill fear since most are not aware that we have been lied to for so very long…. Oh, for some education on viruses and how they are part of us, check out: virusesarenotcontagious.com and be uplifted!’
I don't disagree that we've been psy-opped and driven to levels of unnecessary fear, I've had the flu and I've had Covid-19. They're not the same. This was something new and different.
The problem is, with these PCR tests over the years they can be manipulated to show whatever they want them to…so you probably have had the FLU in the past from a coronavirus but they weren’t testing for it as the focus of fear was on Influenza A/B…. We all get sick from time to time and think we are feeling like dying.. Right now it seems like people forget that we DO get sick as our bodies are trying to detoxify from all of the crap in our environment and what we take in (meds/antibiotics/vaccines/drugs/bad food/etc. Take care
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SHUN! Shun the non-believers who don’t worship Lord Pfauci!
We need the unvaccinated to get vaccinated to protect the vaccinated.
???. WTF is the current usage, I think.
Very quickly I arrived to the very same conclusion. Omitting the reality that the larger number of infections, let alone multiple side effects, afflict the ones injected with experimental substances.
It ain't just the vaccine article that has been all smoke and mirrors over at Wired...from the get go.
Wired is a propaganda operation disguised as a tech journal.
True, but remember it is not a vaccine!
I posted on another thread that a healthy, active older woman who has been anti-vaxx was told to be vaxxed if she wanted to attend her granddaughter’s wedding this past June. For months she refused and the family didn’t budge. She finally went and got a vaxx just so she could attend her beloved granddaughter’s wedding. But she couldn’t go after all, because within a week of the vaxx she was paralyzed from the waist down. PT over the summer and continuing to now is slowly bringing back some movement. Thus — this loving grandmother missed her granddaughter’s wedding BECAUSE she got vaxxed. How cruel a fate! I wonder how “the family” feels now about pretty much FORCING her??
they feel nothing because they're going to go to great lengths to prove their opinion. That is what pride does! It blocks you from truth and in a weird way, you bring damage (destruction) to yourself because you're not listening to God. They missed "the memo" from the bible that says "do not fear, do not worry, be anxious for nothing". Everyone vaccinated ran like wild pigs for slaughter to get the vaccine, their shortsightedness was their own peril. THEY WERE LISTENING TO MESSAGES FROM EVIL MEN THAT WERE INTENTIONALLY DELIVERED TO PRODUCE FEAR AND CONTROL.
THE PROBLEM NOW IS, TO SAVE FACE....THE VACCINATED WILL HAVE TO DEFEND THEIR DECISION (TAKEN BASED ON FEAR) AND WON'T BE ABLE TO CONNECT THE DOTS OF CAUSE AND EFFECT, SHOULD THEY HAVE LONG TERM ILLNESS FROM THE VACCINES. THEN ANOTHER VACCINE AND A PILL FOR THIS AND ANOTHER DOC APPT FOR THIS MYSTERIOUS AILMENT... Then their mental state might not be able to resist...just keep them doped up on medications. It is possible to return to humility, but not likely.
As if autoimmune disorders weren't out of control before the poison shot.
I have heard the CDC FEMA camps are really for the vaxxed when they snap after reality rears its ugly head !
modern day indian reservations. The same mentality that took over the indigenous people and pushed them further into obscurity! IS the evil spirit behind all you see in Biden/Obama/Clinton/Bush/Fauci/Gates/JNJ/Phizer/Moderna ETAL....they have no regard for human life or spirit and hide their evil behind "the good of all" but it'sreally at the expense of ALL.
The kind of people who would force her to get vaccinated don't care. That's the sad truth.
Their righteous crusade blinds them to truth.
I'm not sure it's just not-caring. Some may be a fear they don't want to face, i.e., that they, the vaxxed, might also be in danger.
I'm pretty sure the massive cognitive dissonance of the pro- EUA crowd is redirecting and projecting away on that one.
She needs a new family.
My brother's office closed again a month ago because several people...double vaxxed...caught the 'ro while attending a family wedding where everyone was fully vaxxed.
Agreed!
Same thing is happening with a 84 year old friend that I help because she has no family in the state. Her daughter lives in Colorado and hasn't visited in two years, finally planned a trip to see her for thanksgiving then tells her she won't come unless her mother gets vaccinated. She doesn't want it becaUse two ladies in her tiny church, one had a stroke and the other a heart attack within days of it. But her daughter doesn't care.
I can’t begin to describe the rage I feel when I read this. This is not love. It is not care. At that age anything can kill them. The point of life is to LIVE. That poor woman. I hear about this all the time. I know a woman in her 70s whose children threatened to prevent her from ever seeing her young grandchildren again. I mean-the risk to the children is all but zero. And who are they to say they are doing it for the grandmother? Is it not her decision how she lives her life?
There is a special place in hell for people like that.
I agree, and the irony in it all is my friend told me her daughter got covid after she got the shot meanwhile my friend has been going to church, coming to friend's houses for holidays, all through covid when she was supposed to be hiding away in her home alone. She's coming to our family thanksgiving now since her daughter has cancelled.
Let me guess: Her daughter’s case would have been SO MUCH WORSE!!!! had she not been vaxxed, amirite?
Wow. Just wow. I pray you have the most wonderful Thanksgiving. I hope she has a great time. Covid is real and it can kill. But I want people to LIVE! To be healthy and active and interactive with others. God bless you and her.
Awww…. I’m so happy for her she has such good friends at least! 💕
Same happened with my friend, so she got the jab and May now be getting a booster even though they disagree with all this but they love their grandchildren so they risk dying for them. Even one of the kids and soon a second one will be vaccinated and the DIL is a pediatric nurse! Crazy. My daughter isn’t for these mandates but threatened to disown me because I’m not pro-choice
I am so sorry for your friend. I can’t comprehend this.
That’s just so sad! It angers me as well. She will regret it terribly when her Mother is gone and she sees the truth. In some ways, I’m thankful my parents didn’t have to go through this. For me, not seeing them would have killed me not the virus!
I have thought the same. So very thankful my grandparents are in heaven. They did not live to see the madness. My mom is in her late 70s and it is killing her. She grew up in what was like a Norman Rockwell painting. It was a beautiful life. Now she feels like a foreigner in our own country.
Yeah it’s just so horribly sad and I’m sure the shock of it all is actually killing people. I feel like a foreigner in our country so it’s gotta feel worse for those older than me
My guess is, they just blamed her age!
Guilty AF! As they should! No one should be coerced to be vaxxed. If they get vaxxed of their own volition and get injured or die, it was their decision.
Wait, wait..if someone clots up and dies from the vax, it was your fault because you didn't get vaxxed. Get with the program.
Do they now? What cold comfort.
This is a classic example of why I will not be jabbed. I am 71 and worked for over 40 years in the hospital trenches as a Registered Nurse and never got a flu shot and never had but a few bad colds (mostly dragged home by the little ones).
I have seen more than enough stats on deaths and injuries from the jabs. I follow the preventive protocol from FLCCC docs plus I will be getting my Ivermectin stash in a few days. In the meantime I have added Lysine to my daily supplements.
I only wear a mask to enter some stores and still frequent my favorite Mexican and Italian restaurants here in LA on the patios. (Pacos in Culver City and Alejos near LAX).
God has given me a good life with a robust immune system and I am not about to let liars like Biden, Fauci and Co. force me to get a jab that is not “safe” as advertised.
You are right on! Keep the faith. I am 68, had covid and recovered. I will not take a vaccine for this ..I also oppose using fetal cell lines in testing and development of any vaccine, have for my entire life! I choose not to comply.
I’m 69, very healthy, and had covid last Dec. Took vit D, C, quercetin, and zinc and did fine. Was back at the gym in 2 weeks, good as new, lol. I could name 50 people who had it last winter, many over 60. All recover and not one required hospitalization.
I have not yet come across lysine as beneficial with regard to Covid. What have you read?
I was curious too. I taking NAC now in addition to the usual protocol. I’m afraid to add any more plus it’s getting expensive. I’m still waiting for my stash of Ivermectin as well.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/344210822_Lysine_Therapy_for_SARS-CoV-2
Their use of the word, "recalcitrant" is better than a poker tell. They are saying right out of the gate that this is about obeying authority, and not science, medicine or public health.
But in 3D consciousness.."recalcitrant" IS the reality. They literally cannot think out of those boxes. Any attempt to persuade them otherwise is interpreted as like a terroristic assault. We aren't dealing with people that have perceptions that are on the same plane as ours. And there are a subset of consciousness-grifters that are highly profiting in a variety of ways from this dichotomy.
I read it, and there was no option for “Reason Why I Won’t Vaxx” that read: “the vaccination itself could kill me, soon or later.”
I disregard ANY article pushing the bogus number of people who have died from covid. CDC number of 700000 is that. Otherwise thanks for the article.
No one has a serious answer to why zero flu deaths for over a year. I guess that answer is that haven't yet fully co-opted state statistics orgs. Yet.
This has been on my mind a lot. How could this be worldwide? Makes ya wonder if you have the flu, it gives a Covid positive test if they run it too many cycles
It's worldwide because there exists an actual, real-life global cabal of egocentric, powerfully influencial people who are able to use this pandemic hysteria as a means to accomplish whatever their evil goal is.
an unvaxxed friend tested+ for covid and the flu in august?! No how is that happening. She swears she caught covid from a vaccinated client with breakthrough covid.
PCR test is flawed and everything was called Covid for scary effects !!
Just take the average number of flu deaths, maybe from 2014, and subtract that number from the 700,000. Bingo!
You also have to subtract all the deaths which had nothing to do with either including traffic and suicides but marked, "Covid related" or "probable Covid" in order to justify the continued state of emergency that never was.
Yes!
The “authorities” have released the flu figures from last year. And the numbers were Rediculously low. So now they are encouraging us all to get the flu and Covid jabs all at once! No thank you🙀
The statistics are unreliable. Some diagnoses are based on tests but many are clinical decisions on symptoms, and billing. Early covid symptoms are same as flu, and they get paid better for covid. Flu isn't down, it's just misreported as covid. We set up pathological motives to fulfill the prophesy. It's entirely a manufactured crisis.
PCR tests detect flu as well. How many COVID positives are actually the flu? We can only guess.
I was at my chiropractor last year and was positively stunned when he said that, no flu deaths this past couple years! Unbelievable..
There is no new virus, CCP or otherwise. No one feared the ‘flu’ season, that flu vaccination campaign failed, so something needed to be done to cause new fear and compliance and thus a new jab campaign using a coronavirus which also causes colds/severe colds and flu and was likely causative in past FLU seasons (but no one knew) as well. Simple coronaviruses, of which we humans have a few, used to instill fear since most are not aware that we have been lied to for so very long…. Oh, for some education on viruses and how they are part of us, check out: virusesarenotcontagious.com and be uplifted!’
Right. The government NEVER lies. EVER. You can take anything the CDC says right to the bank. FDC too. TRUTH, it all is.
Don’t forget truth teller Pfauci
Oh, yes, of course...right up there with the BIBLE
"Researchers are struggling to figure out why people don’t get their Covid shots..."
First of all...not my Covid shot.
Second...we're not stupid.
I just read the article and tweeted a message to Wired & the author pointing out the glaring omission of reasons people refuse these vaccines. I doubt either will reply.
I applaud you for this action! Like any statistical measure, what research “shows” is not the only important measure; what the research results do NOT show is equally important. That questionnaire at least should have had some blank lines below, inviting “Other reason(s) for not getting a vaccination.”
It's funny. Remember that whole 2012 hype? Supposedly that was an opportunity to transcend from "old" consciousness to next level consciousness. The true "question authority" consciousness. The reason 2012 was such a big deal was that if you didn't make the transition by then, you would be stuck for decades or centuries in the old consciousness. Like Dorothy being stuck in Oz. I swear we have been watching the two different planes of consciousness seriously delineate and define themselves over time since that year. Slowly at first, now all at once.
you mean stuck "like OLD WHITE MEN" that they kept denigrating? LOL!
I just read it what a joke ! People refusing a non approved vaccine, NOT , are literate not watching Fake News on the boob tube !!
I also think they are either lying or manipulating the numbers on those who are refusing the jab. I think they are much larger than being reported. Also manipulating the corporate numbers for those who have been been fully jabbed.
of course they are! propaganda trying to make ppl think they're outnumbered so they better give in. You can't tell me as huge as United Airlines is, there were only 600 unvaxed?!! then the next week the news said it was 300. I seriously call bullshit on that report.
Beam Me Up Scotty !
Thank you for sharing
Are they for real? They didn’t actually ask one person. They just tested out slogans on them. These people belong on another planet.
Of course they will not ask, leftists <i>(falsely called liberals)</i> are power and control freak diabolists and it's a historical fact that Communists like Lenin said something to the effect they will get you by slogans. Since the word "planet" comes from Greek "planetes" which means "wandering star"... they belong on the sun, what do you think Larvatus?
It’s the Mao Tse Tung method of brainwashing:
Convince people that they are sick and that they’re not going to make it in the world, and that they’re going to be helped
Apply in a group setting where people work on you to help you see the light.
Employ media to use slogans and pressure.
True on the Mao statement, and convincing people etc, and apply in a group setting and employ media to use slogans and pressure.
So we are in agreement then. I was actually asking you what do you think about belonging on the sun.
For a long time I have said pilots and doctors are the last real professionals in the country. I have lost faith in most docs. This give me hope. People with real jobs standing up to people who have fake jobs.
Sadly, most of my doctor colleagues simply regurgitate the Fraudci talking points. They can’t think for themselves anymore.
Isn't that what is called, "Corporate Medicine" and in theory is illegal in the US? How did we get from "Get a second opinion" to all doctors have to spout government propaganda, even if they know its a lie or bad science?
It’s incredibly disappointing to me. Most have simply given in, afraid of losing their job. We actually have doctors and nursing advocating withholding care if you’re not jabbed. It’s absolutely sickening these people are in healthcare.
It’s called Socialized Medicine and it’s what they are wanting. In theory it sounded great, but I’ve seen from my Canadian relatives how the whole notion has changed. It started off being something good into something bad. If you really want better treatment or a doctor you have to have separate private insurance which they’ll probably cut out there or pay out of pocket for a practitioner.
I work in medicine. ALL of my colleagues are aware of the true risk of COVID and are anti vaccination mandate. They may be "towing the line" in front of patients but, those who are true followers of the research know that this is baloney. Corporate medicine has, unfortunately, made public cowards of many very smart, very rigorous medical practitioners.
Pilots are very concerned they could have a jab injury that would disqualify them from flying. They need to make sure they can get disability if that happens. Then they will give in.
Sigh, sad but mist likely true.
Really well thought. And those fake jobs? I think the term is, 'Apparatchiks'.
Or Nomenklatura.
We literally have an IC unit in our house to avoid doctors/hospitals at all cost. Never thought it would come down to this.
Haven't been to a doctor in 20+ years. I was t-boned by a 19 year old texting, red light runner a couple years ago and went to the ER to make sure neck was ok. When they found out I had no doctors and no medical history that they could access, I thought that I was going to be arrested. Seriously bad vibes and interrogations. How could I not have been tithing to big medicine/pharma for all of that time?? What kind of citizen was I?
Someone who has put their health in their own hands. Should payoff for you 10x over in todays chaos. Good on you.
Too bad the GOP doesn't have the chutzpah these pilots do.
The GOP should announce immediate and full support for the pilots. They won't.
Absolutely! Shame on the GOP!
WOW! Amen to THAT! Our so-called conservative leadership members have really let us down. I guess that kickbacks are just too good to resist.
there is one party with a branch a little less in to marxism.....
Yeah!
Sad but true, but this lot doesn't even care to make a pretense of having at least one pair among them. Not even enough sense to be ashamed of their cowardice.
Good for them. Our neighbor is a Southwest pilot... got Covid in April... and is absolutely refusing to get the shot. A friend saw their flight out of Indianapolis canceled last night.
If you are a friend of theirs, please convey our admiration and appreciation
He, his wife and two kids tested positive at the same time. He and his wife described it as somewhere between a moderate to bad flu; the kids had a stuffy nose - and that was it. Unbelievable how the country is being destroyed for something as minor as this.
Covid is just an "excuse" to destroy America, and neutralize the opposition.
They apparently went from “never let a crisis go to waste” to “let’s make up a crisis.”
I just canceled three flights for a bit later on this month. I promised myself that if Southwest mandates the injections I’d be taking my business back. I hate it, it’s $1000 I’m never going to get back most likely (I don’t see this getting resolved by May of next year when these funds expire since I booked them back in 2019 before Covid mania happened), but the idea of flying while pilots have this weighing on them, on top of dealing with the anger and dismay so palpable in every airport in the country right now, I’m out.
I hope you wrote the company as to why you cancelled. They need to hear it.
I didn’t. I thought about it, but all I can think is that they’ll end up black losing me for future flights. I’m comfortable with not spending money there, but at the moment I have zero trust in any of these places to take a comment in the manner they would have two years ago. Note if you complain you might end up with the FBI at your door. Half joking there…. Maybe one quarter joking.
Still write them. If more people did, it may (or may not) it will send hopefully a message and you’ll know you at least you gave feedback as to why you cancelled your flight and ask for an extension for your funds.
*listing
Yes definitely. Sadly, I also wrote my thoughts on all this to Southwest way before all this happened as it’s the only airline I’ll fly on even though I have family working for AA. All I got was that it would be forwarded on and I never heard back :-( When that happened it was cause for concern. They’ve always written me back if I wrote about an issue.
That right there is Support...thank you
Good for you!
So wait, to protest SWA you just gifted them $1000 without them needing to provide a service? That’s awfully generous of you.
I get that you’re making fun of me, but I’m okay with that. The well being of myself, my mom, and my son are worth that money. I don’t want to fly through the skies with pilots who are saddled with this sort of decision, inject or get fired. No thanks. I hope your day is a little better though now that you’ve pooped on someone else.
I LUV Southwest.
Hold the line!!!
I love this airline too. Last time I flew was before the plandemic and I was pleasantly surprised at the patriotism of the entire crew. The pilot even had an American flag tie!
I felt like Lee Greenwood was playing in the background
Aww, thank you for that positive review! We try hard ❤️
I have had 2 good experiences myself. First time I flew was at the tail end of the lockdowns and start of mask mandates. I’m deaf with cochlears and always let the crew know I’m deaf in case of an Emergency. The flight attendant lowered her mask for all the flight instructions so I could read her lips and then asked if it was helpful as I don’t sign (not well anyway). The second time was this past Spring during all the craziness with the masks, but afterwards stopped by my seat and wrote out to ask if I needed help understanding. I always take note of things on my own like exits and try to count seats in case of a crash and it’s dark (sister is a former flight attendant) but I really appreciated this effort on her part knowing she couldn’t take off her mask because of rules.
That's because most SW pilots are retired military pilots.
I've been flying SW exclusively for over 10 years. Never felt safer flying with them than during Covid! We used to always get sick on planes it was just the price of flying, but now with fresh air instead of recirculating air planes feel so safe!! Making employees get vaccinated after flying this entire time without huge outbreaks is against logic.
By the People, For the People, Of the People....It's about time we start acting like the PEOPLE !!!
RESIST !!!!!!
American Airlines announced a vaccination deadline of the day before Thanksgiving. The busiest travel day of the year. Let's see how that works out.
Let’s pray their pilots do the same🤞🏻🤞🏻
That deadline can't be accidental.
They’ll be recruiting new pilots from among the border hoppers.
Haha…except it takes roughly 3 months from hire date to train pilots. It’s going to be an interesting holiday travel season. Hold on tight folks!
Who says they're going to train them?
While I am not a pilot, our company issued their mandate on Friday, tight before our Thanksgiving weekend up here in Cda. I dont particularly see it as a carrot, but another stick. Poke poke, poke. GTFO.
AA has always been an awful and evil company.
It’s the same with SWA. Nov 24.
Somehow gotta think the resulting chaos intentional.
Don’t know. Everyone but 300 people caved at United and it will probably be the same at SWA. The pilot union might negotiate a deal for pilots but the flight attendant and mechanics unions refuse to get involved and those work groups are scared and likely to cave. Delta hasn’t announced anything yet but I have a feeling they are panicking. Being Atlanta based, they have a lot of black employees and the vax rates in that population are really low for a good reason. We’ll see.
If Unions want to be relevant again, this is time to show their worth. Fight for employee rights. Was this not part of their original intent?
They’ve been corrupted by big money and ties to the left. They haven’t represented the worker in decades.
Unions have largely become whores of the Democrat party.
And vice versa, depending on the issue. Symbiotic whoredom.
The parasitical mind of unions has evolved from sucking money from workers to the inclusion of employers exploitation as well. It's all about "equity". The least important factor in that equation is the worker.
Your statement assumes that unions were actually relevant at some point in the past. Their actual value to workers is vastly overstated, and their supposed role in improving working conditions is largely a myth of their own making.
Currently at Nashville airport (BNA) and many Southwest flights are canceled! Just saw your email and now I know why! I’ve always loved Southwest!
Love their pilots, not their ceos.
We all are encouraged and support these folks who are courageous enough to put their careers on the line . . . until whatever it is affects us directly. Like having your flight canceled the day before you’re scheduled to leave on a trip you booked weeks ago. Very frustrating. But it’s time to nut-up to this crap and stand tough, even if means our lives are significantly disrupted.
Thank goodness; this is the template to follow in pushing back. Marches and protests don’t matter - show that it is not possible for them to get what they want.
Didn’t the airlines reassure us on multiple occasions that flying was covid safe?
HEPA filters on planes crush e virus. So why do they need vaccine cards?
They don’t deserve our business.
Especially Southwest! They make a big effing deal of telling us that the cabin air is completely replaced ever 2-3 minutes. The New England Journal of Medicine points out that "Public health authorities define a significant exposure to Covid-19 as face-to-face contact within 6 feet with a patient with symptomatic Covid-19 that is sustained for at least a few minutes (and some say more than 10 minutes or even 30 minutes."
That's face-to-face contact (not passive sitting near or even next to) within 6 feet of a SYMPTOMATIC person, and for anywhere from a few minutes to THIRTY minutes. And yet Southwest replaces the entirety of the cabin air every 2-3 minutes.
So WTF, Southwest?? Why masks? Why Chinese virus jabs? Can you be any more inconsistent and hypocritical and asinine?
I’m not disagreeing with anything you’ve said here, but I will say this: I’ve been blessed with a pretty good immune system. 27 years in my company (today) and I’ve been out sick (really sick, not brown bottle flu) less than a dozen times. But every time I fly, I catch something that produces an immune response. So I say the replaced air is total BS.
Airplane air can be very drying, and flying at high altitude in a pressurized tube is a change the body has to deal with. The “minor cold” symptoms - stuffy nose, sore throat, etc. - that many experience after flying are usually due to those factors and not exposure to germs in flight.
Govern me harder, daddy.
LOLOL
People interested in the legal authority of Southwest and other employers to impose these vaccine mandates can get a lot of helpful information from https://vivabarneslaw.locals.com. You need to scroll through to relevant sections but in many videos Robert Barnes spends 10-20 minutes laying out various aspects of employment law. And the employment law is pretty strong to protect employees from vaccine mandates. That's why jabbering joe and his handlers are trying to rush this through; they don't want courts looking at this. Robert Barnes is also on youtube but censorship means most of his vaccine legal analysis is not available on that platform. You can also find Robert Barnes on other platforms if you search around.
I disagree with this: "That's why jabbering joe and his handlers are trying to rush this through; they don't want courts looking at this." Resident Biden isn't rushing anything. He issued a press release that said he was gonna do something, and that was it. Southwest et al are doing this on their own. They have no governmental edict or mandate or rule or law or ANYTHING. The POS Biden Administration has done nothing to turn this into a mandate...because they know they don't need to! They know the unholy marriage of government and corporate America will have corporate aholes like Southwest do the dirty work for them.
Repeat: there IS no Biden Administration vaxx mandate, and yet corporate America is imposing that which does NOT exist.
And no way to fight it in court if it was never issued.
Exactly. Bonus: "It was always a choice." Someone got sick or died from the vax? It was their choice. We never made them do it.
I’m on the Barnes Locals page as well, it’s invaluable.
Thank you. Just signed up.
He’s the man!
They claim they are implementing the federal mandate — which does not yet exist
Bravo pilots!!! Did the airline CEOs cave so quickly because of the huge Federal bailouts? And with colleges were student mandates imposed cause of fear of losing federal research grants?
This is awesome. Thanks for sharing, Alex. Let the disobedience begin.
Gonna put that on a shirt and my front door: "Let the disobedience begin."
Good! I hope they continue to stand strong just like us nurses!
God bless these pilots at SWest! I hope they hear the cheers of support from many!
the more you tighten your grip, the more freedom loving patriots will slip through your fingers
By the People, For the People, Of the People....It's about time we start acting like the PEOPLE !!!
RESIST !!!!!!
Yes! Biden is just Governor Tarkin in disguise
So I had a thought. "Workers of the world, unite!" :) Seriously though. We really do need to unite.
God bless these airline pilots! I stand with them!!!! Will not fly an airline that invokes these standards!!!!
Southwest is a public corporation. Most public corporations are controlled by institutional investors such as Vanguard and Blackrock. The stock market is an illusion of diffused ownership, when in fact, most corporations are controlled by the same people.
This is how Lynn Forester de Rothschild, who with her husband owns the Economist Group, can recruit hundreds of corporations to join hands and chant "Voter ID is racist, but only in the US:"
https://www.civicalliance.com/votingaccess/
The same Lynn Forester de Rothschild is able to recruit hundreds of corporations to join hands with the Vatican in an alliance for globalist Marxism:
https://www.inclusivecapitalism.com/
These are the same people who planned the pandemic, developed the virus as well as the vaccine, and are now trying to force the vaccine into every 6-month-old baby.
How does this relate to Southwest?
These people DO NOT CARE if Southwest goes bankrupt. The entire purpose of this exercise is to decimate Western economies - if not also the Western people. The purpose is to reduce real GDP per capita in Western countries by about 5x and bring it to the level of China or Costa Rica.
These people do not care if Southwest goes bankrupt. As far as they're concerned, you should not be allowed to fly.
Also highly relevant - the role of the World Economic Forum in the pandemic:
https://swprs.org/the-wef-and-the-pandemic/
Couldn't have said it better (or more accurately).
Check out https://www.usfreedomflyers.org/
Pilots and employees from all airlines and transport companies. Lots of passengers are joining them. As of last week they had more than 50,000 who have joined them. Please join if you value freedom.
Here's the problem with that group's efforts, IMO:
"While we can’t divulge specific case details, we can tell you that as soon as President Biden’s Executive Order is issued mandating all companies over 100 employees enforce vaccinations or be subject to weekly testing, our Council is ready to file suit immediately to stop this."
The problem is that there currently ISN'T an executive order mandating the jabs...and yet the corporate mandates and firings are proceeding quickly and broadly. There doesn't NEED to be a federal mandate, if corporate America is acting as if there WERE a federal mandate.
So waiting to file a lawsuit until Resident Biden issues an executive order is pointless and meaningless, precisely because there IS no EO. And there won't be, because Resident Biden's administration knows that they only need to issue a press release about an EO.
Their fights need to be at the corporate America level. THAT'S where this sh*t is happening.
They need to be suing the pants off the Southwests and Uniteds and EVERY other major corporate entity that's forcing their employees to choose between unemployment and being jabbed with experimental drugs.
Actually airlines are being considered federal employees/contractors, not part of the 100+ company announcement.
If you fly and see a crew member with their wing pin upside down, you are looking at a patriot. Let them know you support them.
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As a retired flight attendant I know these people have everything to lose. God gives strong men and women courage for a time such as this, God continue to sustain these brave professionals.
If this happened with all airlines and all industries there would be a stop to this insanity. It really astounds me how people can still believe in this obvious scam.
Forcing healthy people to take an EAU injection that does not stop infection or transmission in order to keep their jobs. I no longer recognize my country.
I hope they don't back down from this stance!
So funny...actually not. My friend just texted me that she is stuck in Arkansas because her flights have been cancelled. They told her it was because the pilot had Covid and had to quarantine entire flight crew. Her husband looked it up and said flights were cancelled because of weather. And of course, the truth comes out here. Good for southwest pilots!
Oh it's weather alright. Raining hellfire is a'coming.
They don't cancel flights for weather this time of year, unless a late-season hurricane rolls thru.
Saw a headline about ferry boats being canceled in Washington due to lack of staff.
Let's hope this rebellion is more contagious than the disease.
This whole "Pandemic" just reeks of criminality. Anyone remember the Opioid Pandemic? Big Pharma learned some lessons from that one. Make your products liability free and have the government pay for the whole shebang.
And Uncle Joe and Gavin Newsom have become shills for Big Pharma, mandating injections for workers and then even for children for a virus that doesn't affect children. Wait, what?
If liability was returned to the producers, this all goes away fast, no?
Love it. I have a lot of friends flying for SWA.
boycott any firm that imposes medical tyranny! i do not frequent restaurants who staff is masked.
YES !! Stop empowering companies by buying their products!! Time for a Buyers Strike !!!
Whose got a list?!?
Good for them! Stand tall. Stand strong!
I am thinking the pilots can do this themselves. Think about it, if all the major airlines have to cancel thousands of flights per day, the mandates would end very quickly thereafter. Come on pilots, the ball is in your court.
I wish the pilots had more sense and guts to revolt against a pointless mask mandate as well. We will NEVER fly Southwest ever again due to their Nazi like treatment of disabled children on the flights. The crews are aggressive, rude, intimidating, angry, spiteful, ignorant, condescending, and like little Stasi spies throughout their flights. Yelling at poor kids and their caregivers if a mask slips below their version of the Nasal Mendoza Line. It is appalling.
They and other airlines ( like American) have a means to REQUEST a waiver but they do everything they can to make this a huge insurmountable hurdle. For example American does not openly advise they have this option. They make one find a secret number to call. Then, the agents WILL NOT even email the appropriate instructions which are odious and require renewal 30 days after a physician letter is dated, not from the time of the original flight mind you. So caregivers and adult patients need to be burdened with multiple time pressured visits to physicians every time they need to fly.
Somehow this seems to smack of a violation of the spirit and letter of the law pertaining to the Americans with Disabilities Act.
Pathetic. All for what? 1.2 billion passengers and 62 “possible “ CV19 cases? FWIW the US government last September STOPPED screening arriving passengers to the entry site airports because there were 19 possible cases out of a survey of approximately 700,000. In other words, they know the futility of this but need to ride Joe and the left’s hard on against what they still see as a “Trump” follower boogy man. It is irrelevant what the science is. It is a decisive issue so they run with it. Now finally we are seeing push back. The powers will scramble to find a way to prop up their position and punish the “unnecessary” members of the economy to keep the fear factor going.
Pure insanity.
My sister was visiting in PHX and due to fly to MDW yesterday. We received a cancellation notice from SWA around 1:45 and noticed there were NO flights on SWA available for rebooking yesterday (Saturday) nor today (Sunday). AA also had nothing which was weird--must be some sort of relationship between the two. I quickly found a flight for her on United and she got home. BUT, the AZCentral news reported it was an Air Traffic Control issue and weather in the East. That sounded super-fishy. The other airlines didn't have cancellations...
American Airlines employees staged a protest at the headquarters in Texas. Maybe some of them are also calling in "sick."
Good ! It’s Dallas
That's right! Dallas. I couldn't remember. My mother used to go there for training back when she was a stewardess at American Airlines.
Ah! Interesting.
Orlando Florida, FAA walked out due to mandates , can’t confirm actual times , but it happened! Remember when they all walked out years ago and Reagan fired them ?? This time , they had every reason to and I’m okay with it ! Keep fighting back !
Talk last night that air traffic controllers walked out in JAX. Wondering if they meant SWA pilot walkout?
Sometimes to fight or get your point across, you have to hit where it hurts, the money train. This is what gets heads turned and changes made. Good for you pilots, good for you. Problem is, the other side can do it to us by mandates and losing our jobs but we fight back the same way when we can. Hit companies in the pocketbook, boycott those making mandates. If we all do our part, we can change this.
You’re spot on-from school board to school board, Governor to Governor, letters to the editors, letters to CEOs, and every media opportunity we have to get this point across- we’re awake now and we’ve absolutely had it!
Glad to see a group of employees with intestinal fortitude. Need far more of instead of rolling over to the Covid God's Biden, Fauci and the rest.
Well, to be fair, what’s the company going to do? Threaten to fire them all? Lol
Flood Southwest's Twitter account with complaints, if you can. I just Tweeted this:
"Stay strong, @SouthwestAir pilots. We have your back. Southwest is my go-to airline, but this asinine, disgraceful, stupid mandate has me staying grounded for the foreseeable future.
Mandating experimental drugs (no, they are NOT vaccines; the execrable @CDCgov had to change the long-standing definition of "vaccine" solely and exclusively so that the Chinese virus experimental drugs could be called vaccines) is immoral and unethical. And that's especially so, given the FACT that there are ZERO long-term data about their safety. Literally zero.
The Chinese virus experimental nonvaccine drugs have been around for less than one year. It took FOUR YEARS to learn of the Thalidomide disaster. So why, @SouthwestAir, are you so unethical as to mandate the jabs? Hmmm???"
Keep the updates coming Alex ... I got punted from Twitter last week ... one and done. They had ignored my 100s of re-tweets and comments UNTIL the one where I claimed that the spike protein manufactured by the body from the mRNA vax is toxic and can result in viral shedding.
They canned my 8 year acct for saying that the Boston marathon bomber who received 6 death penalties should have already been executed
Hope they stay strong. This is the only way to end this madness.
wanna get really pissed?
According to Dr. Pierre Kory and verified by Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance ( FLCCC), 100 to 200 Congressmen/staff/family who contracted COVID were treated with Ivermectin.
https://t.co/OvU8SLfLJq. None have gone to hospital. Just sayin'
https://twitter.com/PierreKory/status/1446312291302055940?s=20
So while Congress pummels us to take the jab, they don't- and then do all they can to prevent us from getting the very therapeutics that they used themselves.
PUBLISH THEIR NAMES!
All pilots need to follow Southwest’s lead. Someone has to stand up to the tyranny!
And WE need to back the pilots in any and every way possible.
Civil disobedience is (hopefully the only required) way to break this ominous trend
I’m in Jacksonville and the word is Air Traffic Control walked out Friday night at Jacksonville center over vax mandate. There’s little media coverage of this even locally. Southwest had put out a statement Friday night that blamed ATC “issues” and bad weather There was no bad weather Friday night. It had moved out of the area by 2-3pm. Guess they don’t realize people actually live here and can debunk their bs
We need to support the field workers more than ever in this fight. White collar corporate folks like myself the corporations will just be offshored, but you can’t offshore truck drivers or utility line repair guys. Wait until there is a pumpkin shortage in a week because there are no truck drivers to haul them (seriously, church has already cancelled the pumpkin patch fundraiser)
In Russia the people punished the businesses requiring vaccine passports by refusing to do any business with them. The businesses then went after their local politicians and the local politicians stopped the passport requirement.
But that is Russia... not America where the people don't seem to care about their earned freedoms.
We really are in the Upside Down
Meanwhile the media upholds its soviet standards by not reporting the Southwest plots or the Jacksonville flight controllers. Major stories of disruption to US travel are ignored so as not to undermine mandates and pandementia. The media is the virus.
I’d prefer my pilot to not have a stroke mid-flight…