“another possibility is that Xi and the Chinese leadership in Beijing are using Covid to clamp down on Shanghai, which is more liberal and Western-facing than the Chinese capital. China has carried out purges of Shanghai officials before, including the city’s chief prosecutor in 2018.”
this is exactly it. Shanghai is more liberal, more educated, wealthy and many have experience more open (at least relatively) societies of the west.
this is being done to ensure obedience. the way jan 6 insurrectionist are kept in prison with no arraignment more than two year later. in the same way USAG Garland labels parents at school board meetings domestic terrorists. in the same way the DOJ and FBI raided Project Veritas over a fucking diary. in the same way medical boards are witch hunting doctors who don’t toe the CDC/NIH line- ‘quick and devastating takes downs’ not only have the effect of silencing those who would oppose you, but also those paying attention.
Michael Osterholm seems like a nut. Listened to him, he wants us masked and force vaxed til 2024. Send him to China? Also Can we just transition / pivot now to doing business with non commy countries like India and Brazil. Singapore, Japan, Maybe Mexico? How about we just stop buying from china ?
I will forever be puzzled as to why more people everywhere (not just the US) were not more outraged over all these lockdowns and mandates. So few of my friends and family and colleagues were angry about what was happening here during lock down madness or what Canada did to the truckers convoy. Does nothing enrage us anymore that doesn't involve pronouns?
What exactly is the goal here of the Chinese authorities? To make people suffer just for the hell of it? To remind the Chinese people how powerless they are? Do they really believe in zero Covid?
Even from the standpoint of a tyrant I have a hard time making sense of this.
- Reinstall a sense of fear and panic in the world. It worked so well the first time they did it, seems obvious, as the fear is lifting, they would try to rekindle it. It's awfully similar to the BS they presented out of Wuhan. And we now know that was all smoke and mirrors.
- Further erosion of our supply chain. I have no doubt the current supply chain issues are an intentional part of their plan. This is really gonna make the situation worse and they will be able to blame covid as usual. Just seems a bit odd that China would do this to help implement the crisis, like self sabotage. It is bound to have major negative affects on their own economy. Of all things we will learn to move away from any reliance on China.
One thing I am sure of, it isn't actually about the virus.
We got played two years ago with the fake videos of people collapsing in the street... which spurred out "leaders" into lockdowns and other economic destruction. Is China trying to play us again?
I think Alex was pretty close to why they are doing this, but the theory that I have heard that seems to make the most sense is cultural to the CCP. If Xi allows a virus to devastate the people while he is in power it is more or less a sign that he is no longer capable of leading. The joke is on him though. If he would have just let COVID run its course, people in China would never have noticed. Just like they didn't notice it circulating from 2017 until late 2019.
The funny thing about this is that people really think there is some grand plan here -- or some ACTUAL reason Xi is doing this. But there isn't -- Westerners do not understand Asian Face-Saving culture.
The simplest and most direct explanation of "why" is this: Xi Wants To Save Face.
He said there would be zero Covid. Therefore he CANNOT stop all the zero Covid lockdowns and plans otherwise it would make him lose face. It would force him to admit he was wrong or that he can't control it.
In Asia -- especially China -- it doesn't matter if EVERYBODY knows you are wrong. It doesn't matter if EVERYBODY knows what the truth is. What's more important is simply not admitting that you were wrong or what the truth is.
I have lived in Thailand since 2016 in Chiang Mai -- pretty much the most popular tourist spot for Chinese in the world. So there's a big mix of Southeast Asia and Mainland Chinese here.
I've seen it time and time again. For example, a 25-year-old programmer trying to teach a 45-year-old employee about a new software.
It's rude to "talk down" to someone older than you, as if you know more than them. It can make them lose face. And as I've pointed out -- losing face is the worst possible thing that could ever happen to you.
So to teach the 45-year-old employee, the younger, more knowledgeable man had to do it like this:
"I know you understand this already, but I'm having a hard time figuring this out. So first I open this menu, and then click this option, right?"
And the 45-year-old guy would say "Yes, that's right."
In other words, the 25-year-old had to teach the 45-year-old about the software in a way that made it SOUND like the 45-year-old was actually teaching him.
That's how extremely absurd the face saving culture is here. And that's all you're witnessing.
I'm so over this shit that I no longer believe suicide is a cowards way out. I will not be ruled, period. I will go down with a fight, but no doubt lose.
There's not enough men in America to save America and that's a dam fact. Young dudes have been feminized, weak minded girlymen!
Let’s be real. China’s “miracle” was a one time gift from Western politicians and the lazy big businesses that support them, who giveaway our capital, technology & our industries so these traitors could receive outsized cash payola by leveraging slave labor. Those days are over — for both sides. The same mindset that believes communism is a viable political & economic system is the one that believes one can lock down a city of 25 million people to stop a respiratory cold. The idiocracy knows no geographical boundaries.
“another possibility is that Xi and the Chinese leadership in Beijing are using Covid to clamp down on Shanghai, which is more liberal and Western-facing than the Chinese capital. China has carried out purges of Shanghai officials before, including the city’s chief prosecutor in 2018.”
this is exactly it. Shanghai is more liberal, more educated, wealthy and many have experience more open (at least relatively) societies of the west.
this is being done to ensure obedience. the way jan 6 insurrectionist are kept in prison with no arraignment more than two year later. in the same way USAG Garland labels parents at school board meetings domestic terrorists. in the same way the DOJ and FBI raided Project Veritas over a fucking diary. in the same way medical boards are witch hunting doctors who don’t toe the CDC/NIH line- ‘quick and devastating takes downs’ not only have the effect of silencing those who would oppose you, but also those paying attention.
Michael Osterholm seems like a nut. Listened to him, he wants us masked and force vaxed til 2024. Send him to China? Also Can we just transition / pivot now to doing business with non commy countries like India and Brazil. Singapore, Japan, Maybe Mexico? How about we just stop buying from china ?
I will forever be puzzled as to why more people everywhere (not just the US) were not more outraged over all these lockdowns and mandates. So few of my friends and family and colleagues were angry about what was happening here during lock down madness or what Canada did to the truckers convoy. Does nothing enrage us anymore that doesn't involve pronouns?
You missed one more alternative: A new wave of 'covid fear' will be an excuse for mail-in ballots in the midterms.
For all the gnashing of teeth over globalism and resets, this just proves how inept and incompetent central planning truly is.
Can you imagine if some of these folks find the balls [or ovaries] to simply not comply?
There wouldn't be enough jackbooted thugs in the world to contain it.
It only takes a few people to have a little bit of courage...
What exactly is the goal here of the Chinese authorities? To make people suffer just for the hell of it? To remind the Chinese people how powerless they are? Do they really believe in zero Covid?
Even from the standpoint of a tyrant I have a hard time making sense of this.
A few theories:
- Reinstall a sense of fear and panic in the world. It worked so well the first time they did it, seems obvious, as the fear is lifting, they would try to rekindle it. It's awfully similar to the BS they presented out of Wuhan. And we now know that was all smoke and mirrors.
- Further erosion of our supply chain. I have no doubt the current supply chain issues are an intentional part of their plan. This is really gonna make the situation worse and they will be able to blame covid as usual. Just seems a bit odd that China would do this to help implement the crisis, like self sabotage. It is bound to have major negative affects on their own economy. Of all things we will learn to move away from any reliance on China.
One thing I am sure of, it isn't actually about the virus.
How a single person trusts ANYthing originating with the CCP is astonishing. Crazy to think Gates and Fauci feel the CCP is the perfect model
We got played two years ago with the fake videos of people collapsing in the street... which spurred out "leaders" into lockdowns and other economic destruction. Is China trying to play us again?
What i dont understand is why no blue checks or leaders in America coming out against the human rights violations in China.
I think Alex was pretty close to why they are doing this, but the theory that I have heard that seems to make the most sense is cultural to the CCP. If Xi allows a virus to devastate the people while he is in power it is more or less a sign that he is no longer capable of leading. The joke is on him though. If he would have just let COVID run its course, people in China would never have noticed. Just like they didn't notice it circulating from 2017 until late 2019.
China has no place in the 21st century.
The funny thing about this is that people really think there is some grand plan here -- or some ACTUAL reason Xi is doing this. But there isn't -- Westerners do not understand Asian Face-Saving culture.
The simplest and most direct explanation of "why" is this: Xi Wants To Save Face.
He said there would be zero Covid. Therefore he CANNOT stop all the zero Covid lockdowns and plans otherwise it would make him lose face. It would force him to admit he was wrong or that he can't control it.
In Asia -- especially China -- it doesn't matter if EVERYBODY knows you are wrong. It doesn't matter if EVERYBODY knows what the truth is. What's more important is simply not admitting that you were wrong or what the truth is.
I have lived in Thailand since 2016 in Chiang Mai -- pretty much the most popular tourist spot for Chinese in the world. So there's a big mix of Southeast Asia and Mainland Chinese here.
I've seen it time and time again. For example, a 25-year-old programmer trying to teach a 45-year-old employee about a new software.
It's rude to "talk down" to someone older than you, as if you know more than them. It can make them lose face. And as I've pointed out -- losing face is the worst possible thing that could ever happen to you.
So to teach the 45-year-old employee, the younger, more knowledgeable man had to do it like this:
"I know you understand this already, but I'm having a hard time figuring this out. So first I open this menu, and then click this option, right?"
And the 45-year-old guy would say "Yes, that's right."
In other words, the 25-year-old had to teach the 45-year-old about the software in a way that made it SOUND like the 45-year-old was actually teaching him.
That's how extremely absurd the face saving culture is here. And that's all you're witnessing.
I'm so over this shit that I no longer believe suicide is a cowards way out. I will not be ruled, period. I will go down with a fight, but no doubt lose.
There's not enough men in America to save America and that's a dam fact. Young dudes have been feminized, weak minded girlymen!
The American Left would sell their own transgender children to be able to do this to American citizens.
Let’s be real. China’s “miracle” was a one time gift from Western politicians and the lazy big businesses that support them, who giveaway our capital, technology & our industries so these traitors could receive outsized cash payola by leveraging slave labor. Those days are over — for both sides. The same mindset that believes communism is a viable political & economic system is the one that believes one can lock down a city of 25 million people to stop a respiratory cold. The idiocracy knows no geographical boundaries.