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"I have a de-googled phone,"

:)

"... and also a Pinephone, which is unfortunately not yet suitable for daily use."

I think i remember that one, in your quick view, what you mean not suitable for daily use?

By the way, you ever heard of that website selling those 1000 dollar black phones totally encrypted? I ask because where you stated "not yet suitable for daily use" reminded me of it.

"..However, Rob Braxman's latest YT reveals the latest disturbing surveillance twist in the Google/Gmail story - he's the best privacy guy by far, and this is his livestream from the 20th detailing the problem as he is in the process of working out some kind of solution:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uu4c9BbCEt4"

Yes i've known about that guy for some time, no doubt that man is quite well-read, well-experienced in what he knows, quite a resource and man he is at like master level it seems with what he knows. Thanks for the update and link i will check it out.

"...He normally uploads to Odysee as well (which I recommend) but this one has not appeared there yet."

Yea i'm on Odysee... thanks again and i will look for his account.

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Just recently there was that story about how the FBI seized an anonymous, encrypted phone provider, and continued selling the phones - "FBI sold phones to organized crime and read 27 million “encrypted” messages" https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/06/fbi-sold-phones-to-organized-crime-and-read-27-million-encrypted-messages/

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Thanks - the Pinephone just isn't reliable enough yet. I've tried several mobile Linux versions on it, and they're either too resource-heavy for it and the battery runs down after a couple of hours (!) or it exhibits odd behaviour which is not recoverable without an unfathomable and unpredictable sequence likely involving power-off, battery out and the like.

There's a new, more powerful version either out now or coming real soon. Maybe that will work well, but it took them 3-4 months to deliver mine to the UK, and I won't be hanging round for a new one.

Meanwhile I ordered a simple, very cheap phone (Nokia 105) which has no visible apps from Google or Microsoft, does 4G and will no doubt be a pain to use. However, I'm moving to a more compartmentalised, systems, approach to things, and it will do what I need without compromising my privacy too much if that's necessary in the future. We'll see.

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PS I've heard of those black phones and other similar ones. Having had a super-secure Blackberry running on/within Android, I realised that their idea of security (and privacy) is not what you think it is. Like the Apple model, it's designed to stop threat-vectors from physical theft or loss, to 3rd-party interference within the phone ecosystem. It is not capable of dealing with either a compromised basic software system at the OS level, and is not intended to. It can't deal with ISP or telcoms provider data-harvesting, for instance. It can only deal with the visible manifestations of that at, say, the browser level. Maybe the black phones etc are better, but if they work on a basis of firmware (or even modem capabilities) provided by one of the regular suppliers, there are limits to the hardening that can be applied - as Rob Braxman seems to be finding out.

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