I was hoping you would say how the conversation ended. Did she listen? Did she sweep all the dishes off of the table and run away screaming into the night? Please let us know.
Do you believe in science? Why of course! I always follow the science. Do you believe in the science of how more doctors smoke camels than any other cigarette? The science of thalidomide, DDT, diethylstilbestrol, statins, glyphosate, Vioxx, to name a few?
The past few years really has made a circus of so called scientists and their blindness to see what's happening right in front of their faces. Look at Neil Degrasse Tyson, for example. "The science only matters if everyone agrees on it!" I wanna puke.
Now excuse me while I go get a lobotomy, I can't stomach this any longer.
A possible response: " I understand why you trust the covid vaccine. Because you fucking HAVE to. If this stuff causes cancer, there's not a fucking thing you can do. You can't untake the vaccine. And by the way, it does cause cancer and more. So good luck with that."
Your strategy of bluntness is very helpful, if and when I get into a conversation such a a this. However, I find that people don’t want to talk about it at all. Meaning any of the Covid topics: masking, vaccines, lockdowns. Maybe because they are realizing how wrong they were, they want to put it behind them. They hear nothing about excess deaths, harmful consequences of masking, etc from their news sources. When it does come up and I respond with facts, they give me a strange look and change the topic.
The unique brilliance of the psyop is that it targeted and created a belief among our intelligentsia that there is only one objective truth called “the science” and that anyone who questions it is a knuckle-dragging Luddite incapable of rational thought. The intelligentsia are basically the apostles in the new mRNA religion.
The problem is that their gospel does not withstand scrutiny when presented with “the evidence”. Listening to Neil deGrasse Tyson engaging in verbal gymnastics with Del Bigtree to defend his position on vaccines and the social contract is just one example.
That Alex was so smugly dismissed shouldn't surprise anyone. These are people who have been told how smart and superior they are their entire lives.
I suspect that even Alex suffers from this affliction as a Yalie and a NYT alum. As staunch believers in "the science" and the narrative, they are part of a privileged caste of cognoscenti who not only know they are better, but ARE better because of their credentials, beliefs and actions in support of their beliefs.
How earth-shattering it would be to these superior people to find out, let alone admit, that they may have been duped and that the rubes appear to have been right all along.
How I have responded: “I will consider taking the shot once it has been approved” (still a no). Then we untangle approved vs. authorized emphasizing it takes 7-10 years for FDA approval. I will add “clinical trials take years and we ARE the clinical trials”. The cohorts are self-selected. One shot, two shot, boosted, mRNA, non-mRNA, time between shots, mixed shots, pre-covid infection shot, post-covid infection shot, etc….. “I elected to be in the unvaxxed control group”. Doing my part to help The Science.
My response to patronizing individuals like this who ask me if I believe in "science" by which they mean do I subscribe to the patent COVID nonsense being foisted on the general public, my response is that I am a Jew and I already adhere to my religion. I don't need or want another one like the one you are peddling.
Hi 🙂 Happy Easter! I'm related to Swamp. I got an email like 2 weeks ago about a family event with "masking and social distancing." These are supposedly educated people 👍 The die hards will go down with the ship 🙂
I am having the same issue as many of you. When you start to discuss the Vaccine, Masks, excess deaths etc., they shut down. Nobody wants to talk about it. That in itself is an interesting phenomenon. I agree, it simply may be nobody wants to acknowledge they were wrong. Because they would also have to acknowledge the government in whom they trusted were not straight with them. That they would have to acknowledge we live in a scary world now. its frustrating.
Did ANY of the Vaxxed read ANY white papers about the Vaxx?? That’s a great place to start. I read and read and read and made an EDUCATED decision, did they?
I really enjoy your perspective here.... your personal encounter leads into your high-altitude view of the whole “debate” down here. Seriously. I’ve tried to have such a discussion with my (soon to be former) GP.... who is the little brother of a close friend, both whom I’ve known for many decades. He was trying to be funny and brought up the topic of “flat earthers.” So, how does one continue a conversation when you’ve been, basically, humiliated from the start? It’s rude and arrogant. How does one deal with that?
A very, very useful article, Alex. Because this is a wall that needs to come down. Too many of my friends and relatives are victims of the psyops campaign and it is painful to feel this disconnect with people we love and care for.
The short answer to your relative's question is, "Yes, I believe in science. I believe that science showed the mRNA shots are NOT vaccines. They don't work. Science--done after the widespread injections--showed the shots do not work. They are not safe, nor are they effective, according to science."
Look, she took the time to search for you, Alex, online. That means she could've taken the time to search about the mRNA shots, which she obviously did not do. The lid is now off the cookie jar of doctors who've questioned & objected to the mRNA shots. The censorship seems to have ended.
Doctors Bhattachaarya, Malone, McCullough, Mercola et al are on the podcast circuit.--they've been making the rounds for the last six months,
So, I conclude that she wanted to know about YOU but not about the mRNA shots. She doesn't want to know more.
But I guess it's something that she wanted to go to lunch with you.
In the end, one indisputable fact is true: the intellectually lazy people who blindly cling to dogma vs reason are providing a fascinating experiment in natural selection. We are, as a society, seeing why skeptical people who think rationally tend to survive through much of humanity’s periodic bouts with delusional madness. Time for another booster?
I was a history major in college and after 30 years in Corporate America, have returned to reading history for fun. What weighs on me, heavily, is how I can forgive and live among the friends and family who felt so strongly about this issue and acted with icy, polite hostility. Invitations retracted, eyebrows raised, distanced holidays, a declaration that I should lose my job for refusing a COVID vaccine. It makes me feel more kinship with (for example) those who were against Franco but had to live for so many years under his dictatorship. How do you live among those who betrayed you? It wasn't a war, but it felt like it to those (like me) who never lived through a war in their own homeland. How do I let go of the anger and sense of betrayal and just move on myself? When most people seem downright desperate NOT to talk about the dark days? The 'forgetting' is a gift they have given themselves. I wish I could move on, but not just yet.
I was hoping you would say how the conversation ended. Did she listen? Did she sweep all the dishes off of the table and run away screaming into the night? Please let us know.
Do you believe in science? Why of course! I always follow the science. Do you believe in the science of how more doctors smoke camels than any other cigarette? The science of thalidomide, DDT, diethylstilbestrol, statins, glyphosate, Vioxx, to name a few?
The past few years really has made a circus of so called scientists and their blindness to see what's happening right in front of their faces. Look at Neil Degrasse Tyson, for example. "The science only matters if everyone agrees on it!" I wanna puke.
Now excuse me while I go get a lobotomy, I can't stomach this any longer.
A possible response: " I understand why you trust the covid vaccine. Because you fucking HAVE to. If this stuff causes cancer, there's not a fucking thing you can do. You can't untake the vaccine. And by the way, it does cause cancer and more. So good luck with that."
Your strategy of bluntness is very helpful, if and when I get into a conversation such a a this. However, I find that people don’t want to talk about it at all. Meaning any of the Covid topics: masking, vaccines, lockdowns. Maybe because they are realizing how wrong they were, they want to put it behind them. They hear nothing about excess deaths, harmful consequences of masking, etc from their news sources. When it does come up and I respond with facts, they give me a strange look and change the topic.
Frustrating to say the least.
The unique brilliance of the psyop is that it targeted and created a belief among our intelligentsia that there is only one objective truth called “the science” and that anyone who questions it is a knuckle-dragging Luddite incapable of rational thought. The intelligentsia are basically the apostles in the new mRNA religion.
The problem is that their gospel does not withstand scrutiny when presented with “the evidence”. Listening to Neil deGrasse Tyson engaging in verbal gymnastics with Del Bigtree to defend his position on vaccines and the social contract is just one example.
That Alex was so smugly dismissed shouldn't surprise anyone. These are people who have been told how smart and superior they are their entire lives.
I suspect that even Alex suffers from this affliction as a Yalie and a NYT alum. As staunch believers in "the science" and the narrative, they are part of a privileged caste of cognoscenti who not only know they are better, but ARE better because of their credentials, beliefs and actions in support of their beliefs.
How earth-shattering it would be to these superior people to find out, let alone admit, that they may have been duped and that the rubes appear to have been right all along.
How I have responded: “I will consider taking the shot once it has been approved” (still a no). Then we untangle approved vs. authorized emphasizing it takes 7-10 years for FDA approval. I will add “clinical trials take years and we ARE the clinical trials”. The cohorts are self-selected. One shot, two shot, boosted, mRNA, non-mRNA, time between shots, mixed shots, pre-covid infection shot, post-covid infection shot, etc….. “I elected to be in the unvaxxed control group”. Doing my part to help The Science.
My response to patronizing individuals like this who ask me if I believe in "science" by which they mean do I subscribe to the patent COVID nonsense being foisted on the general public, my response is that I am a Jew and I already adhere to my religion. I don't need or want another one like the one you are peddling.
Hi 🙂 Happy Easter! I'm related to Swamp. I got an email like 2 weeks ago about a family event with "masking and social distancing." These are supposedly educated people 👍 The die hards will go down with the ship 🙂
I am having the same issue as many of you. When you start to discuss the Vaccine, Masks, excess deaths etc., they shut down. Nobody wants to talk about it. That in itself is an interesting phenomenon. I agree, it simply may be nobody wants to acknowledge they were wrong. Because they would also have to acknowledge the government in whom they trusted were not straight with them. That they would have to acknowledge we live in a scary world now. its frustrating.
Did ANY of the Vaxxed read ANY white papers about the Vaxx?? That’s a great place to start. I read and read and read and made an EDUCATED decision, did they?
I really enjoy your perspective here.... your personal encounter leads into your high-altitude view of the whole “debate” down here. Seriously. I’ve tried to have such a discussion with my (soon to be former) GP.... who is the little brother of a close friend, both whom I’ve known for many decades. He was trying to be funny and brought up the topic of “flat earthers.” So, how does one continue a conversation when you’ve been, basically, humiliated from the start? It’s rude and arrogant. How does one deal with that?
A very, very useful article, Alex. Because this is a wall that needs to come down. Too many of my friends and relatives are victims of the psyops campaign and it is painful to feel this disconnect with people we love and care for.
The short answer to your relative's question is, "Yes, I believe in science. I believe that science showed the mRNA shots are NOT vaccines. They don't work. Science--done after the widespread injections--showed the shots do not work. They are not safe, nor are they effective, according to science."
Look, she took the time to search for you, Alex, online. That means she could've taken the time to search about the mRNA shots, which she obviously did not do. The lid is now off the cookie jar of doctors who've questioned & objected to the mRNA shots. The censorship seems to have ended.
Doctors Bhattachaarya, Malone, McCullough, Mercola et al are on the podcast circuit.--they've been making the rounds for the last six months,
So, I conclude that she wanted to know about YOU but not about the mRNA shots. She doesn't want to know more.
But I guess it's something that she wanted to go to lunch with you.
In the end, one indisputable fact is true: the intellectually lazy people who blindly cling to dogma vs reason are providing a fascinating experiment in natural selection. We are, as a society, seeing why skeptical people who think rationally tend to survive through much of humanity’s periodic bouts with delusional madness. Time for another booster?
I notice that most of the people yammering on about how they believe in science avoided taking any science or math classes like the plague.
I was a history major in college and after 30 years in Corporate America, have returned to reading history for fun. What weighs on me, heavily, is how I can forgive and live among the friends and family who felt so strongly about this issue and acted with icy, polite hostility. Invitations retracted, eyebrows raised, distanced holidays, a declaration that I should lose my job for refusing a COVID vaccine. It makes me feel more kinship with (for example) those who were against Franco but had to live for so many years under his dictatorship. How do you live among those who betrayed you? It wasn't a war, but it felt like it to those (like me) who never lived through a war in their own homeland. How do I let go of the anger and sense of betrayal and just move on myself? When most people seem downright desperate NOT to talk about the dark days? The 'forgetting' is a gift they have given themselves. I wish I could move on, but not just yet.