I was hoping you would say how the conversation ended. Did she listen? Did she sweep all the dishes off of the table and run away screaming into the night? Please let us know.
Fair question. Lunch was almost over when she asked, so we didn't have much time - by the time I'd finished telling her why I thought the premise of her question was so patronizing, we were basically done, so we had no time even to begin talking about the facts around the vaccines. (And I'm not sure she even entirely accepted my objection, because she is not a rude person and thus doesn't think of herself that way and was not TRYING to offend. But I'd say she began to.)
Thank you for responding. I was forced to retire earlier than I wanted to because I didn't want to take the vaccine. People would either avoid me, or commiserate and say"I didn't want to take it, but....." I did overhear a group talking about myself and others in the same situation with the exact condescending attitude that your relative expressed. I've had every other vaccine required, and took the flu shot every year, but I was a stupid caveman in their eyes.Even though it effected me financially I am still convinced I did the right thing.
I, too, lost a job because I refused the jab. I had a terrible reaction to the flu vaccine and legitimately wanted to wait to see how this one went after roll out. When I was told that wasn’t a valid reason to not get it, I dug my heels in. I needed my job but not at the cost of violating my principles of individual liberty. When someone asks me to this day if I’m retired, I tell them I was forced out of the job market because I refused to take the jab. I’m not sugar coating it.
We need more people like you. Thank you! My husband was 2 weeks away from losing his job before the mandate was lifted. I am so sorry you lost yours. We all need to stand up. Do NOT forget they added it to the list of normal childhood vaccines. I GUARANTEE you in the future these lunatics (like Hochul in NY) will quietly mandate them for school! Guarantee it! And what is worse, I USE to believe parents would stand up against it, but who knows anymore??!
tried to avoid jabs all my life, had a few immunisations as a child, but not jabs, they were oral. When I came to the US I had 7 all at once, and because I was rejected the first time, the next year I had to redo, luckily the doc understood my reluctance and only gave me 4. Hopefully that will be the last ones in my lifetime! Flu shots have been known to cause side effects and have little benefit, there are much better products on the market than the shots. I am a seemstress and get enough shots as is LOL
I didn't have to quit, but I was passed over for a promotion and not allowed in the office for a year and a half because I wouldn't take the spike. I just laugh at them now, when they talk about "Bob" getting covid or "Sally" always being sick now.
I’m impressed your relative wanted to talk about it and asked about your journey! What I’ve run into with team apocalypse friends and relatives is the exact opposite, all conversation about anything Covid, the government response to it, the vaccines, is immediately shut down and no discussion will be tolerated. Team Apocalypse knows they’re wrong, they know they’re cowards and were bamboozled by the press and public health officials and they just want all discussion to go away. You might have been a slight touchy sensitive when she asked if you believed in science, yes she was calling you a moron but you want to keep the conversation going! Sometimes you take one for the team to get to the end goal of penetrating their skull with facts.
My super-vaxx parents won't talk about it, even though knew two of my friends who suddenly died in their sleep. At least they never cut me out. My only sibling, my brother, still thinks me and my wife should be in a camp for refusing the shots, but that is the way people are in Silicon Valley, very woke, very racist, and very stupid.
The publicly held company I worked for during Covid paid workers $100 for proof of vaccination. I asked how we could do that with HIPA and add pressure to take an untested and new technology. It was not open to debate. Not a lot of open minds during this period of time.
FWIW, HIPAA does not apply if the issue at hand impacts work safety. Like drug testing for forklift drivers. For a while, when we were all told the vaccine would reduce your ability to get and spread COVID, it was considered an OSHA work safety issue so not subject to privacy regs. My employer paid $1,000 for proof of vaccination.
You did, you have your integrity and don’t have that poison running through your veins. I took was vilified especially at work. I work for a us law firm in London who are so woke too btw. They mandated it for their us offices and tried to in London but 7 of us out of 400 held strong. It was never a line I was prepared to cross, ever. In fact like Alex’s relative my liberal boss joked with me on zoom during a catch up at Christmas 2021. Hey Jan you should get the vaccine, whilst also she’d just had covid and I just laughed. She has vaccine damage, loss of sight in part of her eye, continuing to have injections but of course they’re not doing anything because they cannot rectify vaccine damage and both she and her consultant believe this is impossible. But however much they bullied me I was prepared to walk away from my job. From the start I’d already decided no. Best decision of my life. My husband was like Alex’s relative so believing in covid, masks and told me get the vaccine and it’s our way out. As a taxi driver, he had many many customers working throughout but so early on many were telling him of their side effects, people he’d known for years. This was the deciding factor and he changed his mind completely, he wasn’t listening to me but day in day out customers who had eye problems, blood clots, heart attacks, strokes, micro clots and it went on and on and there still isn’t a day that goes by and someone else tells him a story of their injuries. From the moment he woke up.
you did! We were all up against a tidal wave, Im happy I came across Alex thru Hans Mahncke, I also was following RFK jr and Dennis Prager, Im very grateful! We r battle hardened! Question everything !
I'm beginning to believe that the problem with people like your friend is that they don't seem to believe that they have opinions. In their minds they only have facts. That is why they cannot fathom why anyone would disagree with them.
Great piece you have done here for Easter 🐣 Sunday 2023. I would add one thing that no one really knows or understands. Is being a skeptic is when our government leaders are receiving royalty payments for these mRNA shots even what they call a vaccine prior to mRNA. This should be about Protecting People not themselves and don't show no love or respect for Human life. Maybe it's better your relative doesn't know what you do reason is most couldn't handle truths and we don't have any Places for them to go if they knew. You can put innocent people in Prison this is not our fault our government leaders are disciple of Satan committing mortal sin and not called out for doing so.
Alex, I applaud you for continuing to stand up for the truth. I do have a question. It is a little off topic but it is this mindset that we are crazy anti-vaxxers that is permeating certain segments of society. You’re lunch was “civil” but unfortunately we know these people do not take no for an answer. They consider themselves so much smarter then us. Of course, it’s “the science!” So, I think we need to stay one step ahead of them. Obviously, we are too stupid to protect society and our kids! How do we fight against the vaccine for children now that it’s approved as a regular childhood vaccine? I know the vaccination rate is low for it in children, but like you I live in the insane state of New York. You know it will be required for school soon. How do we stop this?? I hate to be a “conspiracy theorist” but I am sure one day soon it will be combined with some other necessary vaccine for kids and the normal good intentioned parent will be none the wiser when it’s injected into their kids when they receive their “school shots!” I think we are foolish to think they will just drop it! After all they are “the science” Lord Fauci told them so! Any suggestions?
I don't even know that you necessarily have to convince someone we understand the basics of the "scientific method." A simple understanding of statistics and probabilities would suffice to make the point that a new type of mandated "vaccine" isn't warranted. I would have asked my relative how many people that he/she personally knew died "from" Covid in the past three years. How many children or healthy young adults that you knew have died?
I'd also point out that official statistics can be doctored/manipulated and and should not be accepted as gospel. Or that experts and authorities have been wrong countless times. Did Saddam really have weapons of mass destruction? Even if he did, was he planning to use Iraq's Navy or Air Force to use those weapons to attack and conquer the United States? Does she really believe everything she's been told by officials is the gospel truth? If so, why does she still believe that ... if she's so smart and everything.
Do you believe in science? Why of course! I always follow the science. Do you believe in the science of how more doctors smoke camels than any other cigarette? The science of thalidomide, DDT, diethylstilbestrol, statins, glyphosate, Vioxx, to name a few?
The past few years really has made a circus of so called scientists and their blindness to see what's happening right in front of their faces. Look at Neil Degrasse Tyson, for example. "The science only matters if everyone agrees on it!" I wanna puke.
Now excuse me while I go get a lobotomy, I can't stomach this any longer.
This is 💯. I think respect for scientists, who are as human as the next person, is way overblown. Sure they're smart, but often smart the way an autistic person is smart, or an academic, or a psychopath is smart. They can be hyper focused on a pet idea and not actually interested in humans or real outcomes. They can be cruel, unfeeling, and unsympathetic. They can also be bought and paid for.
You hit the nail on the head. It only takes a relatively small group of scientists to decide that they need to do gain of function on a deadly virus to see what they can create, or fulfill a government contract. No different than a determined terrorist group bent on crashing planes into buildings. Their cause is the right one - whether it’s the science or the ideology.
Not to mention, multiple COVID SHOTS were pulled off the market -- yet the 'experts' all called them safe and effective right up until the point they were pulled.
Isn’t Moderna pretty much withdrawn from Europe? Interestingly my Methodist Hospital (Houston) PCP got called out by name on Twitter by a patient who was injured by ModeRNA jabs.
After nightmares such as Vioxx and the recent studies about SSRIs, a sane world would have changed the approval process, making it both longer and more onerous. We went the other way, fake shorter studies. What could go wrong!?!?
A possible response: " I understand why you trust the covid vaccine. Because you fucking HAVE to. If this stuff causes cancer, there's not a fucking thing you can do. You can't untake the vaccine. And by the way, it does cause cancer and more. So good luck with that."
I call this the 2 x4 rule. You see, some people like my wife I can whisper in her hear and she understands and does what is right. On the other hand some people have to be hit over the head with a 2x4 before they can understand what needs to be done, even it it is to save their own ass.
Even after being wacked over the head with a 2 x 4, they still repeat the mantra: "Safe and Effective". Point being, some (most) of these people are beyond any sort of reasoning.
My brother-in-law has had seven(!) melanomas taken off his body since he’s been double jabbed and boosted and still refuses to accept that the jabs cause cancer! They’re all totally brainwashed.
Your strategy of bluntness is very helpful, if and when I get into a conversation such a a this. However, I find that people don’t want to talk about it at all. Meaning any of the Covid topics: masking, vaccines, lockdowns. Maybe because they are realizing how wrong they were, they want to put it behind them. They hear nothing about excess deaths, harmful consequences of masking, etc from their news sources. When it does come up and I respond with facts, they give me a strange look and change the topic.
My exact experience as well. They want to move on. I will randomly bring up how ridiculous the “safety measures” were and they look at me like I have a horn growing out of my forehead.
That seems to be a common response by many. At that point, I know they have been so overwhelmed by false info, they cannot unsee it or unhear it. They’re toast!
Keep educating them pls. They would/did do the same to you...How great the Bioweapon injections are because they heard it on TV.
And if you don't, you know they will be the first to say why didn't you tell me you knew that they were bad ? or why didn't you pass on the research information to me ? ( with a sad but accusatory face ).
These cretons hop from side to side. No logic, no responsibility. Worse then
When our grown kids said we MUST get the vaxx (and be away from grandkids or they’d make us sick), we told them we’d researched & the shots weren’t safe, but they said they trusted their doctors. So I believe they’ll just keep believing the narrative (as they all have had covid, some more than once & seem to have been sick for a year straight…hmmmm).
I have been in a church group in which one person obviously has developed severe health issues since being jabbed. It was sort of alluded to by this person, but you sort of hesitate to confirm their worse fears, esp as it can’t be undone. It’s very heartbreaking.
The unique brilliance of the psyop is that it targeted and created a belief among our intelligentsia that there is only one objective truth called “the science” and that anyone who questions it is a knuckle-dragging Luddite incapable of rational thought. The intelligentsia are basically the apostles in the new mRNA religion.
The problem is that their gospel does not withstand scrutiny when presented with “the evidence”. Listening to Neil deGrasse Tyson engaging in verbal gymnastics with Del Bigtree to defend his position on vaccines and the social contract is just one example.
That Alex was so smugly dismissed shouldn't surprise anyone. These are people who have been told how smart and superior they are their entire lives.
I suspect that even Alex suffers from this affliction as a Yalie and a NYT alum. As staunch believers in "the science" and the narrative, they are part of a privileged caste of cognoscenti who not only know they are better, but ARE better because of their credentials, beliefs and actions in support of their beliefs.
How earth-shattering it would be to these superior people to find out, let alone admit, that they may have been duped and that the rubes appear to have been right all along.
I have rattled a crazy theory in my mind on the psyop part. I keep thinking the correlation between tv shows and the vax uptake. It's a vague Venn diagram in my mind but I bet you can point to shows or news watched is in direct proportion to not just how many jabs someone got but the blind confidence in them. Just a theory...
Dig your handle. Steely Dan is one of my favorite bands. Donald Fagen's Nightfly is a constant on my playlist.
As for your comment, I agree with you completely. A multi-pronged mass media programming effort was and remains integral and I believe some very smart people will find a direct correlation between uptake and information sources.
Everything that occurred in 2020 and beyond seemed to mirror the response to 9/11 and the mass media build-up to the Iraq War, even down to jingoism and the involvement of religious leaders. COVID was just an extension of the GWOT as a brilliant article in Tablet recently pointed out.
The only thing missing from 2001 was the digital infrastructure and the interdependence of traditional media with social media. It was so much easier to herd the sheep when all government needed was cellphones and social media dependence.
All of this was war-gamed in 2019 in Event 201 but was also part of similar pandemic response exercises that go back decades. I wish I could find the great German documentary that broke this down brilliantly.
Look how many have been sucked in to believing that there was no world wide flood despite billions of dead thing in rock layer laid down by water over all the continents. That was the biggest denial of "died suddenly."
How I have responded: “I will consider taking the shot once it has been approved” (still a no). Then we untangle approved vs. authorized emphasizing it takes 7-10 years for FDA approval. I will add “clinical trials take years and we ARE the clinical trials”. The cohorts are self-selected. One shot, two shot, boosted, mRNA, non-mRNA, time between shots, mixed shots, pre-covid infection shot, post-covid infection shot, etc….. “I elected to be in the unvaxxed control group”. Doing my part to help The Science.
My response to patronizing individuals like this who ask me if I believe in "science" by which they mean do I subscribe to the patent COVID nonsense being foisted on the general public, my response is that I am a Jew and I already adhere to my religion. I don't need or want another one like the one you are peddling.
Hi 🙂 Happy Easter! I'm related to Swamp. I got an email like 2 weeks ago about a family event with "masking and social distancing." These are supposedly educated people 👍 The die hards will go down with the ship 🙂
They are suffering from the epidemic of Government Induced Anxiety Disorder. Turns out masks are good therapy for this epidemic. Be aware the condition can be compounded by Climate Change anxiety.
I am having the same issue as many of you. When you start to discuss the Vaccine, Masks, excess deaths etc., they shut down. Nobody wants to talk about it. That in itself is an interesting phenomenon. I agree, it simply may be nobody wants to acknowledge they were wrong. Because they would also have to acknowledge the government in whom they trusted were not straight with them. That they would have to acknowledge we live in a scary world now. its frustrating.
"Because they would also have to acknowledge the government in whom they trusted were not straight with them. That they would have to acknowledge we live in a scary world now."
I suspect that only a small percentage of those vaccinated are aware of adverse reactions and other issues because the state/pharma-controlled media and entertainment sources they rely upon do not report these things. They dutifully watch CNN, MSNBC, read the NYT and WaPO, or their local Gannett-affiliated newspaper.
"Howard Stern, Dave Grohl, and The Boss said that anyone who refuses the miracle shot is a cretin who should be cast from society. I'm rolling up my sleeves."
To the extent they hear names like "Alex Berenson", "Steve Kirsch", or "Dr. Robert Malone", they are part of the flat-earth, science-denying fringe and nothing they say is true. These people live in a very large information and climate-controlled vacuum that houses the majority of the population.
Those who may have ventured down the rabbit hole are of two types: those finding it humbling to admit that they blindly trusted governments, media, and corporations with documented track records of lying that go back decades; those who live in fear of being the next "sudden and unexpected" fatality.
Exactly. When I mentioned to my relatively new mask wearing girlfriend if she heard of Alex B. She said, "oh, the conspiracy theorist?". I asked where she got that. Her reply, "I googled it". And that was the extent of that conversation.
Hopefully, she's now your ex-mask wearing girlfriend. ;)
I couldn't be with someone with diametrically opposed views on what is essentially an existential issue, but of course it's none of my business. If not, here's to you converting her.
I’m not sure of the exact percentage but isn’t something like 85% of people do not have common sense? It seems like that correlates with how so many people can not see such obvious realities.
Did ANY of the Vaxxed read ANY white papers about the Vaxx?? That’s a great place to start. I read and read and read and made an EDUCATED decision, did they?
I read about covid death rates near the beginning of the so called pandemic and realized it was a scam. I would drive by my local hospital and see it was obviously empty, contrary to news reports. Then I turned off the tv do I wouldn’t have to hear how we are all in this together, wear a mask, ad infinitum. That was enough for me to say no to the jab. So thankful I did!
From the beginning, before most of us understood what was really happening and before we could accurately define our personal risk, I thought....why are we not seeing dead bodies being taken out daily from Amazon warehouses, Home Depots, our supermarkets or any other businesses deemed "essential" by government? I knew we were being scammed and started listening to Benson, Malone and many others.
I had my neighbor/doctor tell me the hospital was empty while telling me they weren’t going anywhere before being double-jabbed. His kids were 4 & 8 then!
I was furloughed from work during the height of the "pandemic" due to low census in the hospital. here's a little known fact... hospitals often run at 90% or greater capacity and in fact love it because more patients=more money=keeps the lights on and staff working
Hospitals were shutting down floors and making their staff do extraordinary cleaning procedures. This meant fewer rooms for patients or “not enough beds to treat everyone”. Nurses were required to completely disinfect after each stop in a room, reducing time spent with patients. I recall people taping themselves in empty hospitals and the government freaking out about it.
When the Houston Chronicle began its coverage of the pandemic, it was always centered on a hospital called “United Memorial” —a hospital I had never heard of as an almost life long Houstonian. It certainly wasn’t part of our “world famous” medical center. It turned out to be an institution serving low income minorities, in other words, folks more likely to have co- morbidities and greater risk of severe Covid from the original virus through Delta. Pretty slick narrative creation.
Truly! I too read and read as much data as I could locate. That is how I made my decision. People are too accepting. It's so easy to research just about anything these days. No excuse.
Taking the vax without listening to your intuition might make you seem stupid. If they told you to take the vax and you already had Covid, then that doesn't seem to make sense does it? Taking a vax with such little testing seems like a big risk, right? Why would you think it's going to work out well for you? Believing a liar (the government) when they've lied to you in the past might make you seem stupid. I am not including anyone that was forced to take the jab on condition of employment.
I really enjoy your perspective here.... your personal encounter leads into your high-altitude view of the whole “debate” down here. Seriously. I’ve tried to have such a discussion with my (soon to be former) GP.... who is the little brother of a close friend, both whom I’ve known for many decades. He was trying to be funny and brought up the topic of “flat earthers.” So, how does one continue a conversation when you’ve been, basically, humiliated from the start? It’s rude and arrogant. How does one deal with that?
"What questions do you have about the 158,000 adverse events, many of them life-threatening, that were documented in the Pfizer trial as shown in court ordered document release?"
Thanks Colleen Huber. Alex saw the put down as a conversation starter. I saw it as a rude, arrogant, deluded put down-- clearly a conversation ender. If MDs weren’t so fungible in my town, maybe I’d have continued with the conversation, the next step being a personal defense. No thanks. There's nothing to be gained there. It was clear he wanted no conversation at all. You can lead a horse to water......
A very, very useful article, Alex. Because this is a wall that needs to come down. Too many of my friends and relatives are victims of the psyops campaign and it is painful to feel this disconnect with people we love and care for.
The short answer to your relative's question is, "Yes, I believe in science. I believe that science showed the mRNA shots are NOT vaccines. They don't work. Science--done after the widespread injections--showed the shots do not work. They are not safe, nor are they effective, according to science."
Look, she took the time to search for you, Alex, online. That means she could've taken the time to search about the mRNA shots, which she obviously did not do. The lid is now off the cookie jar of doctors who've questioned & objected to the mRNA shots. The censorship seems to have ended.
Doctors Bhattachaarya, Malone, McCullough, Mercola et al are on the podcast circuit.--they've been making the rounds for the last six months,
So, I conclude that she wanted to know about YOU but not about the mRNA shots. She doesn't want to know more.
But I guess it's something that she wanted to go to lunch with you.
If you responded to Alex’s relative the way you did, she’d respond “see you in the next 5 yrs (in her head.” I guess that’s how phony science works for her.
I totally agree Rosie, she took the time to look him up, they could of gone further to look at his work. But I still think she Wanted a free lunch and try to assert her crappy line.
If she’s using google to search, the algorithms are going to produce a lot of articles (JAMA, Lancet, etc.) on the safety and effectiveness of the Covid shots. As we know, tech was completely co-opted.
In the end, one indisputable fact is true: the intellectually lazy people who blindly cling to dogma vs reason are providing a fascinating experiment in natural selection. We are, as a society, seeing why skeptical people who think rationally tend to survive through much of humanity’s periodic bouts with delusional madness. Time for another booster?
You could have one screen shot proving each one of these words on your phone if they would like to see it ( they probably will not of course ).
Recommend the copy of the DOD Contract with Pfizer which I just saw on Outraged Human substack I believe. Dr. David Martin provides many documents as does the Swedish DNA altering study as does the mRNA inventor himself the (in)famous Dr. Robert Malone. All have substacks and or on odysee.com, rumble.com, bitchute.com
I was a history major in college and after 30 years in Corporate America, have returned to reading history for fun. What weighs on me, heavily, is how I can forgive and live among the friends and family who felt so strongly about this issue and acted with icy, polite hostility. Invitations retracted, eyebrows raised, distanced holidays, a declaration that I should lose my job for refusing a COVID vaccine. It makes me feel more kinship with (for example) those who were against Franco but had to live for so many years under his dictatorship. How do you live among those who betrayed you? It wasn't a war, but it felt like it to those (like me) who never lived through a war in their own homeland. How do I let go of the anger and sense of betrayal and just move on myself? When most people seem downright desperate NOT to talk about the dark days? The 'forgetting' is a gift they have given themselves. I wish I could move on, but not just yet.
Nice point. It's maybe more complicated, even, thinking about the unsettled science re scary longterm effects. If a friend of mine gets honest enough to feel like apologizing, theyve also opened a door to new worry about their own personal health and unknowns.
Sadly, the moment I win the argument that the vx is bad news, ive also just brought new, profound fear into a friend'stop life.
Lux, this is exactly how I feel. How can I discuss the jab dangers with jabbed friends without the obvious message of “you’re doomed!”? So I keep my mouth shut.
Those relationships will never be the same. How could they be? Do you think they think it will? Most don't want to talk/acknowledge what happened because they don't value your opinion/decisions.
The reason they don't value your opinion is because they believe their actions were justified OR know that they behaved awfully and don't want to be reminded of that - because your mere presence is an indictment to them of their behavior.
In both cases they rejected the value of the relationship twice; the first time during the "pandemic" and a second time after the pandemic by not being interested in your feelings or experience during covid. They sacrificed the relationship long ago by making the decision to treat you as if your opinion was not valid.
The true indication of a healthy/valued relationship is when people seek to understand your feelings/position about a topic they have a different opinion about, precisely because they want to make sure that they value the relationship more than their opinion - and they don't want that to always be between the two of you.
That is intentional dedication to the relationship because they took the time to think about how that dynamic would jeopardize any healthy relationship.
So let me ask you a question:
If someone is not "intentional" about a relationship, how often do you think they devote any attention to the "health" of that relationship? This is why you and I feel disillusionment; we valued the relationship more than them because we actually devoted time to thinking about the "shape" if it, while they could not be bothered by it.
This is why the relationship was dispensable; they valued the relationship only at the surface level, because at the core, the relationship was only that which served their interest. We were just vehicles for them to disguise being net "takers".
They never viewed their actions as sacrificing the relationship, because to feel sacrifice and/or to contemplate it would mean that they felt as if they could lose something of value to them. This is why we try to reconcile how easily the relationship was abandoned; we were NOT a "sacrifice" to them, merely a vessel that gave them something for "free".
Take a moment to do a thought exercise:
How would these very same people have treated you if the virus actually presented a threat to the healthy?
These people are not even "good German's; they are the Germans that would open the door for your final shower.
I am right there with you on this. Today I came to the realization that what “we” have going for us is the truth of the situation. But instead of feeling sorry for ourselves, like I tend to do (but it’s just a phase) we begin to kick into our imaginations for creating the NEXT human experiment. A bit daunting, yes. But apparently we are at the forefront. Once we can organize a much, much better cooperative system, with much much more autonomy and less, less control...others will WANT what “we” have to offer. Whaddya think?
I was hoping you would say how the conversation ended. Did she listen? Did she sweep all the dishes off of the table and run away screaming into the night? Please let us know.
Fair question. Lunch was almost over when she asked, so we didn't have much time - by the time I'd finished telling her why I thought the premise of her question was so patronizing, we were basically done, so we had no time even to begin talking about the facts around the vaccines. (And I'm not sure she even entirely accepted my objection, because she is not a rude person and thus doesn't think of herself that way and was not TRYING to offend. But I'd say she began to.)
Thank you for responding. I was forced to retire earlier than I wanted to because I didn't want to take the vaccine. People would either avoid me, or commiserate and say"I didn't want to take it, but....." I did overhear a group talking about myself and others in the same situation with the exact condescending attitude that your relative expressed. I've had every other vaccine required, and took the flu shot every year, but I was a stupid caveman in their eyes.Even though it effected me financially I am still convinced I did the right thing.
I, too, lost a job because I refused the jab. I had a terrible reaction to the flu vaccine and legitimately wanted to wait to see how this one went after roll out. When I was told that wasn’t a valid reason to not get it, I dug my heels in. I needed my job but not at the cost of violating my principles of individual liberty. When someone asks me to this day if I’m retired, I tell them I was forced out of the job market because I refused to take the jab. I’m not sugar coating it.
Good for you!
We need more people like you. Thank you! My husband was 2 weeks away from losing his job before the mandate was lifted. I am so sorry you lost yours. We all need to stand up. Do NOT forget they added it to the list of normal childhood vaccines. I GUARANTEE you in the future these lunatics (like Hochul in NY) will quietly mandate them for school! Guarantee it! And what is worse, I USE to believe parents would stand up against it, but who knows anymore??!
Thank you, Margaret. I’m glad it worked out for your husband! And you’re right, we’ll see where this all goes.
I hope all is well for you your not a sheep! Bravo! 👏👏👏
tried to avoid jabs all my life, had a few immunisations as a child, but not jabs, they were oral. When I came to the US I had 7 all at once, and because I was rejected the first time, the next year I had to redo, luckily the doc understood my reluctance and only gave me 4. Hopefully that will be the last ones in my lifetime! Flu shots have been known to cause side effects and have little benefit, there are much better products on the market than the shots. I am a seemstress and get enough shots as is LOL
Tough road, hang in there, step by step!
You did do the right thing.
I didn't have to quit, but I was passed over for a promotion and not allowed in the office for a year and a half because I wouldn't take the spike. I just laugh at them now, when they talk about "Bob" getting covid or "Sally" always being sick now.
Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.
I’m impressed your relative wanted to talk about it and asked about your journey! What I’ve run into with team apocalypse friends and relatives is the exact opposite, all conversation about anything Covid, the government response to it, the vaccines, is immediately shut down and no discussion will be tolerated. Team Apocalypse knows they’re wrong, they know they’re cowards and were bamboozled by the press and public health officials and they just want all discussion to go away. You might have been a slight touchy sensitive when she asked if you believed in science, yes she was calling you a moron but you want to keep the conversation going! Sometimes you take one for the team to get to the end goal of penetrating their skull with facts.
My super-vaxx parents won't talk about it, even though knew two of my friends who suddenly died in their sleep. At least they never cut me out. My only sibling, my brother, still thinks me and my wife should be in a camp for refusing the shots, but that is the way people are in Silicon Valley, very woke, very racist, and very stupid.
I am sorry that happened & you were forced to retire. Yes, “anti-vax” is what we were called despite having every other vaccine/flu shot that existed!
I think there is nothing wrong about being anti-vax. After having read "Turtles all the way down" ( https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/61605704-turtles-all-the-way-down ) I am not going to take any vaccine ever again.
The publicly held company I worked for during Covid paid workers $100 for proof of vaccination. I asked how we could do that with HIPA and add pressure to take an untested and new technology. It was not open to debate. Not a lot of open minds during this period of time.
FWIW, HIPAA does not apply if the issue at hand impacts work safety. Like drug testing for forklift drivers. For a while, when we were all told the vaccine would reduce your ability to get and spread COVID, it was considered an OSHA work safety issue so not subject to privacy regs. My employer paid $1,000 for proof of vaccination.
You did, you have your integrity and don’t have that poison running through your veins. I took was vilified especially at work. I work for a us law firm in London who are so woke too btw. They mandated it for their us offices and tried to in London but 7 of us out of 400 held strong. It was never a line I was prepared to cross, ever. In fact like Alex’s relative my liberal boss joked with me on zoom during a catch up at Christmas 2021. Hey Jan you should get the vaccine, whilst also she’d just had covid and I just laughed. She has vaccine damage, loss of sight in part of her eye, continuing to have injections but of course they’re not doing anything because they cannot rectify vaccine damage and both she and her consultant believe this is impossible. But however much they bullied me I was prepared to walk away from my job. From the start I’d already decided no. Best decision of my life. My husband was like Alex’s relative so believing in covid, masks and told me get the vaccine and it’s our way out. As a taxi driver, he had many many customers working throughout but so early on many were telling him of their side effects, people he’d known for years. This was the deciding factor and he changed his mind completely, he wasn’t listening to me but day in day out customers who had eye problems, blood clots, heart attacks, strokes, micro clots and it went on and on and there still isn’t a day that goes by and someone else tells him a story of their injuries. From the moment he woke up.
same. EXACT same
You did!
you did! We were all up against a tidal wave, Im happy I came across Alex thru Hans Mahncke, I also was following RFK jr and Dennis Prager, Im very grateful! We r battle hardened! Question everything !
You did. Now that you are retired you can live the dream. If they have nothing you want, they have no power over you.
And surely you offered to send her a free, autographed copy of Pandemia? LOL
I'm beginning to believe that the problem with people like your friend is that they don't seem to believe that they have opinions. In their minds they only have facts. That is why they cannot fathom why anyone would disagree with them.
I applaud both you and her. This conversation is avoided like COVID alias The Plague!
Great piece you have done here for Easter 🐣 Sunday 2023. I would add one thing that no one really knows or understands. Is being a skeptic is when our government leaders are receiving royalty payments for these mRNA shots even what they call a vaccine prior to mRNA. This should be about Protecting People not themselves and don't show no love or respect for Human life. Maybe it's better your relative doesn't know what you do reason is most couldn't handle truths and we don't have any Places for them to go if they knew. You can put innocent people in Prison this is not our fault our government leaders are disciple of Satan committing mortal sin and not called out for doing so.
Alex, I applaud you for continuing to stand up for the truth. I do have a question. It is a little off topic but it is this mindset that we are crazy anti-vaxxers that is permeating certain segments of society. You’re lunch was “civil” but unfortunately we know these people do not take no for an answer. They consider themselves so much smarter then us. Of course, it’s “the science!” So, I think we need to stay one step ahead of them. Obviously, we are too stupid to protect society and our kids! How do we fight against the vaccine for children now that it’s approved as a regular childhood vaccine? I know the vaccination rate is low for it in children, but like you I live in the insane state of New York. You know it will be required for school soon. How do we stop this?? I hate to be a “conspiracy theorist” but I am sure one day soon it will be combined with some other necessary vaccine for kids and the normal good intentioned parent will be none the wiser when it’s injected into their kids when they receive their “school shots!” I think we are foolish to think they will just drop it! After all they are “the science” Lord Fauci told them so! Any suggestions?
I don't even know that you necessarily have to convince someone we understand the basics of the "scientific method." A simple understanding of statistics and probabilities would suffice to make the point that a new type of mandated "vaccine" isn't warranted. I would have asked my relative how many people that he/she personally knew died "from" Covid in the past three years. How many children or healthy young adults that you knew have died?
I'd also point out that official statistics can be doctored/manipulated and and should not be accepted as gospel. Or that experts and authorities have been wrong countless times. Did Saddam really have weapons of mass destruction? Even if he did, was he planning to use Iraq's Navy or Air Force to use those weapons to attack and conquer the United States? Does she really believe everything she's been told by officials is the gospel truth? If so, why does she still believe that ... if she's so smart and everything.
Do you believe in science? Why of course! I always follow the science. Do you believe in the science of how more doctors smoke camels than any other cigarette? The science of thalidomide, DDT, diethylstilbestrol, statins, glyphosate, Vioxx, to name a few?
The past few years really has made a circus of so called scientists and their blindness to see what's happening right in front of their faces. Look at Neil Degrasse Tyson, for example. "The science only matters if everyone agrees on it!" I wanna puke.
Now excuse me while I go get a lobotomy, I can't stomach this any longer.
Yours is the best comeback. Citing other deadly drugs and ‘stuff’ of science is a perfect way to make a point.
Agreed, but I still like the idea of starting out with Alex', "What an idiotic thing to say."
This is 💯. I think respect for scientists, who are as human as the next person, is way overblown. Sure they're smart, but often smart the way an autistic person is smart, or an academic, or a psychopath is smart. They can be hyper focused on a pet idea and not actually interested in humans or real outcomes. They can be cruel, unfeeling, and unsympathetic. They can also be bought and paid for.
You hit the nail on the head. It only takes a relatively small group of scientists to decide that they need to do gain of function on a deadly virus to see what they can create, or fulfill a government contract. No different than a determined terrorist group bent on crashing planes into buildings. Their cause is the right one - whether it’s the science or the ideology.
Not to mention, multiple COVID SHOTS were pulled off the market -- yet the 'experts' all called them safe and effective right up until the point they were pulled.
Isn’t Moderna pretty much withdrawn from Europe? Interestingly my Methodist Hospital (Houston) PCP got called out by name on Twitter by a patient who was injured by ModeRNA jabs.
Yes, but we got the SAFE AND EFFECTIVE version over here. Or maybe Europe is filled with lizard people. What matters is YOU NEED ANOTHER BOOSTER!
After nightmares such as Vioxx and the recent studies about SSRIs, a sane world would have changed the approval process, making it both longer and more onerous. We went the other way, fake shorter studies. What could go wrong!?!?
See also Alzheimer’s research and drugs.
How is it "science" to decide that 5 shots are ok, when they've only tested for 2 and have NO IDEA the effects of more than 2 doses?
A possible response: " I understand why you trust the covid vaccine. Because you fucking HAVE to. If this stuff causes cancer, there's not a fucking thing you can do. You can't untake the vaccine. And by the way, it does cause cancer and more. So good luck with that."
Lol. Seriously, though, I don't think that's going to help...
Oh, it definitely won't persuade anybody. But many are past that point, so it's an entertaining STFU.
Oh, one stage direction. You should say this in a sweet, patronizing tone of voice while smiling.
I call this the 2 x4 rule. You see, some people like my wife I can whisper in her hear and she understands and does what is right. On the other hand some people have to be hit over the head with a 2x4 before they can understand what needs to be done, even it it is to save their own ass.
Even after being wacked over the head with a 2 x 4, they still repeat the mantra: "Safe and Effective". Point being, some (most) of these people are beyond any sort of reasoning.
My brother-in-law has had seven(!) melanomas taken off his body since he’s been double jabbed and boosted and still refuses to accept that the jabs cause cancer! They’re all totally brainwashed.
The vaxx may cause cancer, but think how bad the cancer would have been without the shots...
Bunch of clowns
Your strategy of bluntness is very helpful, if and when I get into a conversation such a a this. However, I find that people don’t want to talk about it at all. Meaning any of the Covid topics: masking, vaccines, lockdowns. Maybe because they are realizing how wrong they were, they want to put it behind them. They hear nothing about excess deaths, harmful consequences of masking, etc from their news sources. When it does come up and I respond with facts, they give me a strange look and change the topic.
Frustrating to say the least.
Yes, this has happened to me too. I also get the, "But we didn't know then, so everything we did we did to protect people, so it's okay."
I still get the answer, "but it kept me from more serious illness and death."
Confronting the reality that there is monstrous evil at work in our world is difficult for many
My exact experience as well. They want to move on. I will randomly bring up how ridiculous the “safety measures” were and they look at me like I have a horn growing out of my forehead.
That seems to be a common response by many. At that point, I know they have been so overwhelmed by false info, they cannot unsee it or unhear it. They’re toast!
Estra,
Keep educating them pls. They would/did do the same to you...How great the Bioweapon injections are because they heard it on TV.
And if you don't, you know they will be the first to say why didn't you tell me you knew that they were bad ? or why didn't you pass on the research information to me ? ( with a sad but accusatory face ).
These cretons hop from side to side. No logic, no responsibility. Worse then
immature children.
When our grown kids said we MUST get the vaxx (and be away from grandkids or they’d make us sick), we told them we’d researched & the shots weren’t safe, but they said they trusted their doctors. So I believe they’ll just keep believing the narrative (as they all have had covid, some more than once & seem to have been sick for a year straight…hmmmm).
Jeffrey Tucker at Brownstone Institute just wrote a good piece about all the the memory-holing going on: https://brownstone.org/articles/dont-let-them-memory-hole-this/
I have been in a church group in which one person obviously has developed severe health issues since being jabbed. It was sort of alluded to by this person, but you sort of hesitate to confirm their worse fears, esp as it can’t be undone. It’s very heartbreaking.
The unique brilliance of the psyop is that it targeted and created a belief among our intelligentsia that there is only one objective truth called “the science” and that anyone who questions it is a knuckle-dragging Luddite incapable of rational thought. The intelligentsia are basically the apostles in the new mRNA religion.
The problem is that their gospel does not withstand scrutiny when presented with “the evidence”. Listening to Neil deGrasse Tyson engaging in verbal gymnastics with Del Bigtree to defend his position on vaccines and the social contract is just one example.
That Alex was so smugly dismissed shouldn't surprise anyone. These are people who have been told how smart and superior they are their entire lives.
I suspect that even Alex suffers from this affliction as a Yalie and a NYT alum. As staunch believers in "the science" and the narrative, they are part of a privileged caste of cognoscenti who not only know they are better, but ARE better because of their credentials, beliefs and actions in support of their beliefs.
How earth-shattering it would be to these superior people to find out, let alone admit, that they may have been duped and that the rubes appear to have been right all along.
I have rattled a crazy theory in my mind on the psyop part. I keep thinking the correlation between tv shows and the vax uptake. It's a vague Venn diagram in my mind but I bet you can point to shows or news watched is in direct proportion to not just how many jabs someone got but the blind confidence in them. Just a theory...
Dig your handle. Steely Dan is one of my favorite bands. Donald Fagen's Nightfly is a constant on my playlist.
As for your comment, I agree with you completely. A multi-pronged mass media programming effort was and remains integral and I believe some very smart people will find a direct correlation between uptake and information sources.
Everything that occurred in 2020 and beyond seemed to mirror the response to 9/11 and the mass media build-up to the Iraq War, even down to jingoism and the involvement of religious leaders. COVID was just an extension of the GWOT as a brilliant article in Tablet recently pointed out.
The only thing missing from 2001 was the digital infrastructure and the interdependence of traditional media with social media. It was so much easier to herd the sheep when all government needed was cellphones and social media dependence.
All of this was war-gamed in 2019 in Event 201 but was also part of similar pandemic response exercises that go back decades. I wish I could find the great German documentary that broke this down brilliantly.
Just about all of network TV went overboard with the covid storylines....
Venn diagram…used by someone other than Kamala Harris…thank you!
Look how many have been sucked in to believing that there was no world wide flood despite billions of dead thing in rock layer laid down by water over all the continents. That was the biggest denial of "died suddenly."
Hannah Williams, you’ve beautifully covered a lot of territory with your usual economical precision. I’m glad we’re on the same team!
Thank you, Steve. Happy Easter.
Happy Easter!
How I have responded: “I will consider taking the shot once it has been approved” (still a no). Then we untangle approved vs. authorized emphasizing it takes 7-10 years for FDA approval. I will add “clinical trials take years and we ARE the clinical trials”. The cohorts are self-selected. One shot, two shot, boosted, mRNA, non-mRNA, time between shots, mixed shots, pre-covid infection shot, post-covid infection shot, etc….. “I elected to be in the unvaxxed control group”. Doing my part to help The Science.
YES. Brilliant.
this is my new reply! brilliant!
My response to patronizing individuals like this who ask me if I believe in "science" by which they mean do I subscribe to the patent COVID nonsense being foisted on the general public, my response is that I am a Jew and I already adhere to my religion. I don't need or want another one like the one you are peddling.
Hi 🙂 Happy Easter! I'm related to Swamp. I got an email like 2 weeks ago about a family event with "masking and social distancing." These are supposedly educated people 👍 The die hards will go down with the ship 🙂
They are suffering from the epidemic of Government Induced Anxiety Disorder. Turns out masks are good therapy for this epidemic. Be aware the condition can be compounded by Climate Change anxiety.
I can’t believe it! What part of the country?
I will answer for PP even though I don't know her😂
NE or West Coast.
Hardcore NE influence 👍🙂
Seattlite, I just betcha 😂
I am having the same issue as many of you. When you start to discuss the Vaccine, Masks, excess deaths etc., they shut down. Nobody wants to talk about it. That in itself is an interesting phenomenon. I agree, it simply may be nobody wants to acknowledge they were wrong. Because they would also have to acknowledge the government in whom they trusted were not straight with them. That they would have to acknowledge we live in a scary world now. its frustrating.
"Because they would also have to acknowledge the government in whom they trusted were not straight with them. That they would have to acknowledge we live in a scary world now."
I suspect that only a small percentage of those vaccinated are aware of adverse reactions and other issues because the state/pharma-controlled media and entertainment sources they rely upon do not report these things. They dutifully watch CNN, MSNBC, read the NYT and WaPO, or their local Gannett-affiliated newspaper.
"Howard Stern, Dave Grohl, and The Boss said that anyone who refuses the miracle shot is a cretin who should be cast from society. I'm rolling up my sleeves."
To the extent they hear names like "Alex Berenson", "Steve Kirsch", or "Dr. Robert Malone", they are part of the flat-earth, science-denying fringe and nothing they say is true. These people live in a very large information and climate-controlled vacuum that houses the majority of the population.
Those who may have ventured down the rabbit hole are of two types: those finding it humbling to admit that they blindly trusted governments, media, and corporations with documented track records of lying that go back decades; those who live in fear of being the next "sudden and unexpected" fatality.
Of course they don't want to talk about it.
Exactly. When I mentioned to my relatively new mask wearing girlfriend if she heard of Alex B. She said, "oh, the conspiracy theorist?". I asked where she got that. Her reply, "I googled it". And that was the extent of that conversation.
Hopefully, she's now your ex-mask wearing girlfriend. ;)
I couldn't be with someone with diametrically opposed views on what is essentially an existential issue, but of course it's none of my business. If not, here's to you converting her.
I’m not sure of the exact percentage but isn’t something like 85% of people do not have common sense? It seems like that correlates with how so many people can not see such obvious realities.
I think my acquaintances don’t want an “I told you so” from me. So they block out discussion of covid, especially the jabs.
Did ANY of the Vaxxed read ANY white papers about the Vaxx?? That’s a great place to start. I read and read and read and made an EDUCATED decision, did they?
I read about covid death rates near the beginning of the so called pandemic and realized it was a scam. I would drive by my local hospital and see it was obviously empty, contrary to news reports. Then I turned off the tv do I wouldn’t have to hear how we are all in this together, wear a mask, ad infinitum. That was enough for me to say no to the jab. So thankful I did!
From the beginning, before most of us understood what was really happening and before we could accurately define our personal risk, I thought....why are we not seeing dead bodies being taken out daily from Amazon warehouses, Home Depots, our supermarkets or any other businesses deemed "essential" by government? I knew we were being scammed and started listening to Benson, Malone and many others.
I also recall wondering why there were no hazmat containers for all the used masks? And no die-off of the homeless.
I had my neighbor/doctor tell me the hospital was empty while telling me they weren’t going anywhere before being double-jabbed. His kids were 4 & 8 then!
I was furloughed from work during the height of the "pandemic" due to low census in the hospital. here's a little known fact... hospitals often run at 90% or greater capacity and in fact love it because more patients=more money=keeps the lights on and staff working
Hospitals were shutting down floors and making their staff do extraordinary cleaning procedures. This meant fewer rooms for patients or “not enough beds to treat everyone”. Nurses were required to completely disinfect after each stop in a room, reducing time spent with patients. I recall people taping themselves in empty hospitals and the government freaking out about it.
When the Houston Chronicle began its coverage of the pandemic, it was always centered on a hospital called “United Memorial” —a hospital I had never heard of as an almost life long Houstonian. It certainly wasn’t part of our “world famous” medical center. It turned out to be an institution serving low income minorities, in other words, folks more likely to have co- morbidities and greater risk of severe Covid from the original virus through Delta. Pretty slick narrative creation.
Truly! I too read and read as much data as I could locate. That is how I made my decision. People are too accepting. It's so easy to research just about anything these days. No excuse.
Taking the vax without listening to your intuition might make you seem stupid. If they told you to take the vax and you already had Covid, then that doesn't seem to make sense does it? Taking a vax with such little testing seems like a big risk, right? Why would you think it's going to work out well for you? Believing a liar (the government) when they've lied to you in the past might make you seem stupid. I am not including anyone that was forced to take the jab on condition of employment.
I really enjoy your perspective here.... your personal encounter leads into your high-altitude view of the whole “debate” down here. Seriously. I’ve tried to have such a discussion with my (soon to be former) GP.... who is the little brother of a close friend, both whom I’ve known for many decades. He was trying to be funny and brought up the topic of “flat earthers.” So, how does one continue a conversation when you’ve been, basically, humiliated from the start? It’s rude and arrogant. How does one deal with that?
One might ask:
"What questions do you have about the 158,000 adverse events, many of them life-threatening, that were documented in the Pfizer trial as shown in court ordered document release?"
https://colleenhuber.substack.com/p/neither-safe-nor-effective-the-covid
Thanks Colleen Huber. Alex saw the put down as a conversation starter. I saw it as a rude, arrogant, deluded put down-- clearly a conversation ender. If MDs weren’t so fungible in my town, maybe I’d have continued with the conversation, the next step being a personal defense. No thanks. There's nothing to be gained there. It was clear he wanted no conversation at all. You can lead a horse to water......
Steve, keep going. Unfazed. That means they failed to get a rise out of you.
Dazzle them with brillance and facts.
Hahahaha! I can give ‘em the facts. Brilliance? Not so much .)
If you've got the facts, you are brillant! 😊
A very, very useful article, Alex. Because this is a wall that needs to come down. Too many of my friends and relatives are victims of the psyops campaign and it is painful to feel this disconnect with people we love and care for.
The short answer to your relative's question is, "Yes, I believe in science. I believe that science showed the mRNA shots are NOT vaccines. They don't work. Science--done after the widespread injections--showed the shots do not work. They are not safe, nor are they effective, according to science."
Look, she took the time to search for you, Alex, online. That means she could've taken the time to search about the mRNA shots, which she obviously did not do. The lid is now off the cookie jar of doctors who've questioned & objected to the mRNA shots. The censorship seems to have ended.
Doctors Bhattachaarya, Malone, McCullough, Mercola et al are on the podcast circuit.--they've been making the rounds for the last six months,
So, I conclude that she wanted to know about YOU but not about the mRNA shots. She doesn't want to know more.
But I guess it's something that she wanted to go to lunch with you.
If you responded to Alex’s relative the way you did, she’d respond “see you in the next 5 yrs (in her head.” I guess that’s how phony science works for her.
I totally agree Rosie, she took the time to look him up, they could of gone further to look at his work. But I still think she Wanted a free lunch and try to assert her crappy line.
I agree. The True Believers just do not want to admit they're wrong.
If she’s using google to search, the algorithms are going to produce a lot of articles (JAMA, Lancet, etc.) on the safety and effectiveness of the Covid shots. As we know, tech was completely co-opted.
In the end, one indisputable fact is true: the intellectually lazy people who blindly cling to dogma vs reason are providing a fascinating experiment in natural selection. We are, as a society, seeing why skeptical people who think rationally tend to survive through much of humanity’s periodic bouts with delusional madness. Time for another booster?
I notice that most of the people yammering on about how they believe in science avoided taking any science or math classes like the plague.
HeyJude!
Hilarious! You are spot on with that one.
That will make and excellent question for them in select cases. Thank you.
But use the Real Wording always. That makes them think and you can see the wood burning.
Experimental Permanent Gene Altering Bioweapon Injection contracted by the DOD!
Just watch their eyes try to figure it out when you call it by what it is.
Just thought of something.
You could have one screen shot proving each one of these words on your phone if they would like to see it ( they probably will not of course ).
Recommend the copy of the DOD Contract with Pfizer which I just saw on Outraged Human substack I believe. Dr. David Martin provides many documents as does the Swedish DNA altering study as does the mRNA inventor himself the (in)famous Dr. Robert Malone. All have substacks and or on odysee.com, rumble.com, bitchute.com
When you have studied math or physics long, you will develop a much better boloney detector...
(The rest of "science" has been corrupted by evolution nonsense)
Haha!
I was a history major in college and after 30 years in Corporate America, have returned to reading history for fun. What weighs on me, heavily, is how I can forgive and live among the friends and family who felt so strongly about this issue and acted with icy, polite hostility. Invitations retracted, eyebrows raised, distanced holidays, a declaration that I should lose my job for refusing a COVID vaccine. It makes me feel more kinship with (for example) those who were against Franco but had to live for so many years under his dictatorship. How do you live among those who betrayed you? It wasn't a war, but it felt like it to those (like me) who never lived through a war in their own homeland. How do I let go of the anger and sense of betrayal and just move on myself? When most people seem downright desperate NOT to talk about the dark days? The 'forgetting' is a gift they have given themselves. I wish I could move on, but not just yet.
Nice point. It's maybe more complicated, even, thinking about the unsettled science re scary longterm effects. If a friend of mine gets honest enough to feel like apologizing, theyve also opened a door to new worry about their own personal health and unknowns.
Sadly, the moment I win the argument that the vx is bad news, ive also just brought new, profound fear into a friend'stop life.
Had had chilling effect on my need to win.
I know what you mean about the chilling effect of the need to win.
What I try to do is pull together possible healing mitigation resources and share the information.
Lux, this is exactly how I feel. How can I discuss the jab dangers with jabbed friends without the obvious message of “you’re doomed!”? So I keep my mouth shut.
Those relationships will never be the same. How could they be? Do you think they think it will? Most don't want to talk/acknowledge what happened because they don't value your opinion/decisions.
The reason they don't value your opinion is because they believe their actions were justified OR know that they behaved awfully and don't want to be reminded of that - because your mere presence is an indictment to them of their behavior.
In both cases they rejected the value of the relationship twice; the first time during the "pandemic" and a second time after the pandemic by not being interested in your feelings or experience during covid. They sacrificed the relationship long ago by making the decision to treat you as if your opinion was not valid.
The true indication of a healthy/valued relationship is when people seek to understand your feelings/position about a topic they have a different opinion about, precisely because they want to make sure that they value the relationship more than their opinion - and they don't want that to always be between the two of you.
That is intentional dedication to the relationship because they took the time to think about how that dynamic would jeopardize any healthy relationship.
So let me ask you a question:
If someone is not "intentional" about a relationship, how often do you think they devote any attention to the "health" of that relationship? This is why you and I feel disillusionment; we valued the relationship more than them because we actually devoted time to thinking about the "shape" if it, while they could not be bothered by it.
This is why the relationship was dispensable; they valued the relationship only at the surface level, because at the core, the relationship was only that which served their interest. We were just vehicles for them to disguise being net "takers".
They never viewed their actions as sacrificing the relationship, because to feel sacrifice and/or to contemplate it would mean that they felt as if they could lose something of value to them. This is why we try to reconcile how easily the relationship was abandoned; we were NOT a "sacrifice" to them, merely a vessel that gave them something for "free".
Take a moment to do a thought exercise:
How would these very same people have treated you if the virus actually presented a threat to the healthy?
These people are not even "good German's; they are the Germans that would open the door for your final shower.
I am right there with you on this. Today I came to the realization that what “we” have going for us is the truth of the situation. But instead of feeling sorry for ourselves, like I tend to do (but it’s just a phase) we begin to kick into our imaginations for creating the NEXT human experiment. A bit daunting, yes. But apparently we are at the forefront. Once we can organize a much, much better cooperative system, with much much more autonomy and less, less control...others will WANT what “we” have to offer. Whaddya think?