In an Israeli hospital outbreak, 96% vaccination rates (and universal masking) made no difference. And guess who had mild cases? Hint: not the vaccinated.
And I live there. I had covid and my green passport has been revoked because I won't get the "vaccine". Everyone here is running for their third. Thank you Alex for keeping me sane and on the right path!
Actually,the so called RCTs were fudged at best, the Absolute effectiveness in all the trials indicate less than 2% effect in preventing Covid between vaccine groups and control groups. Relative effectiveness is a useless measure.
By absolute effectiveness, you mean you take include people who haven't got the bug? So, a cancer cure is no good if it cures half the cancers, because most people didn't get cancer during the two month study? Don't like your medical school either.
Conclusions from the study: "This suggests some waning of immunity, albeit still providing protection for individuals without comorbidities. However, a third vaccine dose may be needed, particularly in individuals with risk factors for severe COVID-19. Appropriate use of masks, especially in high-risk settings is advised."
The conclusions don't seem to indicate any changes are likely...
This is sadly not unusual in many scientific papers. The investigators perform pretzel logic to declare "Black in white." See Gary Taubes' book "Good Calories, Bad Calories" to see how for many nutritional studies the data indicates the exact opposite of the conclusions presented in the papers.
Perhaps if people try harder to believe they work, they'll have a placebo effect? In all seriousness, such effects can be real; is declining belief in efficacy a factor in declining efficacy?
So Israel no longer recognizes infection-conferred immunity? Alex’s write-up seems to suggest that those who previously had Covid can no longer get the green pass unless they get one dose of the vaccine. Is that new just since they required the booster?
Yes, to be "green passed" the naturally recovered need one shot ( for now). Even though it is Israeli studies that confirm robust immunity from Infection!! They don't want to hurt any ones feelings.
Feels like they want everyone with immunity from prior infection to be vaccinated to make the vaccinated reporting look better or because they don't want the naturally immune stats to put vaccine immunity to shame.
This is an excellent point! I didn’t think of that. But weren’t there some studies that came out that said the vaccine erased the natural immunity when given after infection?
Yes, I have heard of those studies as well. So idk. Just spitballing. Who knows what will happen tomorrow, much less what will prove true in 6 months. I sure miss 2019.
ADE. We’re there. No reason to expect anything different in US this fall/winter, so expect a bad one. Fauci has pivoted to doom/gloom recently too to prepare us but not for this reason bc he won’t utter the unutterable…massive vaxing + ADE = disaster. Throw HC labor shortages onto the fire bc nurses and orderlies will walk rather than get a mandated vax and it’s gonna be epic bad.
Btw: have any of these PHO geniuses ever talked to your average HC worker? Nobody is more skeptical of Big Pharma power and depredations colluding w Big HC Admin than those that see it everyday.
Here’s Fauci in March 2020 talking about ADE (starts at 3:05 mark), and to my knowledge he never mentioned it again, or explained if they “made sure that we don’t have enhancement”.
There was a saying in medical school: “those that can do, and those that can’t teach”. I think that’s overly simplistic but in this case I would modify it to “those that can do, those that can’t become directors of public health agencies”.
I have always said that conservatives always send their B team into politics. The smartest ones run corporations. The smartest liberals go into politics.
Amazing... thanks for link (downloaded as I expect it will disappear). He also mentions theraputics will be tested. Too bad government money didn't finance trials for existing generics that might have had value. Not to crazy about the new Merck anti-viral as it messes with RNA too (highly active mutagenic ribonucleosides may hold risk for the host - source: https://academic.oup.com/jid/article/224/3/415/6272009).
Yes I think it’s notable that he/they never really came up with any good therapeutics to recommend. Also in that clip he talks about how they will mass-produce the vaccines before they know if they’re safe.
Well, it's impassible to get an EUA if there are effective alternate treatments. So hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin couldn't be approved without destroying Pfizer and Modern's income.
I really like how he sounds demonically excited that we'll be looking for ADE to be "interspersed" while the trials are going on...Good thing we're still in them and will be until May 2023 (Pfizer), Jan. 2023 (J&J), late Oct. 2022 (Moderna). I was trying to find this video so thank you for posting it!
I'm personally using this chart of estimated "natural" immunity in my state. I no longer use the vaccination rate in anything it just skews things. We are at about 45% and so I'm expecting a bad winter because those states which did get a lot of people vaccinated will probably get sicker too...
Thanks for the link! Looks like it will be really bad for those of us in VT, NH & ME. Some of my fellow Vermonters are already wanting the governor to go back to mask mandates and more...
Hey, I went to the link and tried the chart, but I can't understand the date spread. I read the preprint and skimmed the full document but still can't figure it out how to interpret the bottom figures on the graph which I assume are dates. Can you explain?
I'm not sure we're seeing full blown ADE yet. As I understand it, in an ADE scenario, the more healthy would also be at higher risk because their immune systems are more efficient, which in this case would increase replication rate. So far the healthy staff people were not particularly affected.
Perhaps this is a milder enhancement effect caused by antibodies waning at different rates, and the waning is faster in the older demographics. (This was pre booster rollout)
The ADE I am worried about would arise from virus spike mutations that escape the neutralizing RBD antibody coverage, leaving other enhancing antibodies still able to bind.
So the completely unvaccinated passengers and crew of the Diamond Princess cruise ship in Feb 2020 had a lower rate of infection and death than the fully vaccinated patients and staff of the Meir medical center in July, 2021.
That ship was an excellent gathering of data. It told us so much. Yet the brightest and best never listened. Western nations do not worry about crashing economies and ruining lives, but protecting masses of virus few would die of set their hair on fire.
But Biden tells us that covid will go away with 97% vaccinated. We just need to look at Israel to see the supreme failure of it all. It’s worth noting that now in WA state, healthcare workers, firefighters, state workers are now being fired based off them being unvaxxed. Yet so many of these folks say the reason they haven’t vaxxed is cuz of natural immunity. They be the ones not testing positive when exposed and yet their vaccinated coworkers are getting and spreading the virus on their hospital floors. But it’s the unvaxxed with natural immunity getting fired. We are about to have a huge healthcare crisis on our hands in WA. Not from Covid, but from idiot policies to fire anyone who hasn’t taken the jab. Oh and religious exemptions at Peace Health in the area have ALL been rejected.
My husband and I live in WA as well. We had Covid way back in March 2020, fully recovered thanks to a daily regimen of vitamins and supplements, have refused vaccines and are now being excluded from all social interactions in public places because of it. No sporting events, restaurants, museums, etc. after October 25. Husband will not be able to go the the gym, thereby banning a major effort to stay healthy despite the fact that not a single virus infection has ever been traced to a gym. The insanity --- and evil --- continues.
Millions think if they get the virus they will die. Media and government did this damage with purposeful scaremongering. Those terrified of dying will never change their minds that this virus did not mean a death sentence for most. The vaccines are not safe for some, and long term may be safe for none. Time will tell the diseases that appear due to vaccines. Now we are going to jab kids and kill some of them unnecessarily. Of course killing babies is widely embraced today as the right of the mother. Why are we vaccinating children? To protect adults? Meanwhile vaccinated are the spreaders in many cases.
Since when did a vaccine affect anyone other than the person who is vaccinated? Absolutely one of the worst deceptions of the entire vax campaign. I've had numerous vaccines in my lifetime. How many people did any of my vaccines protect? ONLY ONE. A vaccine put into my body only affects ME... no one else. My lack of a covid vaccine endangers not one person.
I understand your point but it's not entirely accurate. There actually is such a thing as herd immunity with e.g., measles. Your kid's measles vaccine protects the kids that didn't get vaccinated.
Covid shots are totally different and in that case I agree with you completely.
That analysis falters when the VACCINATED spread the disease. Reducing the numbers who can spread the disease does arrive at herd immunity which is why my mother got us all together for a measles party. We had punch and cake for all our neighborhood. We all stayed home from school until we recovered. The school continued on anyway and was there when we returned. I never heard of any casualties but I was likely too young to understand if there were issues.
There can be fatal cases of encephalitis due to measles (red measles) and the bigger problem is just the disruption of life for lots of people when an epidemic sweeps through a geographical area. Of course the more cases the more likelihood that there will be fatalities. Rubella (German measles) cause serious birth defects if a pregnant woman catches it in the first trimester. Measles parties (and chickenpox parties) were common when there were no vaccines to create immunity.
However, these mRNA COVID vaccines don't seem to produce a very protective or long-lasting immunity (if they produce actual immunity at all) compared to the older killed or attenuated virus vaccines. They clearly don't engage the immune system in the way that either natural infection or conventional vaccinations do.
Another Washingtonian here watching this nightmare of discrimination and purposeful Healthcare sabotage occur.
My RE accepted for now, but seeing people lose their jobs or be treated differently all around me. I DON'T think the comparisons with late 1930's Germany are inappropriate. We don't know how they will tighten the screws if the tide doesn't turn soon.
This. This right here. This highlights the stupidity of mandates and passports and only testing the unvaxxed. Thanks for posting. My hope is in NYC they continue to have outbreaks in their hospitals just to show the absurdity of it all.
Biden saying 97% makes me think he is trying to figure out how to force it on everyone in the country. I think the mandates are only going to get worse, unless hospitals, police departments, etc become overwhelmed beforehand because so many are fired for rejecting the shot.
I don’t thinks it’s Biden saying 97%. He really can’t think cognitively enough for that. I would really like to know who the evil perpetrators behind the curtain are. Who actually is pushing this and, ultimately, what do they really want? I want to see their faces and know their names. Is it Obama? Who is forcing this diabolical policy to hurt America and harm and kill Americans? Know thy enemy!
A confluence of various allied global interests who seek total social control over the world population, now technically possible using massive database and storage and various other cyber technologies. As always, follow the money. COVID fakery offers a pretext to "re-write the script" in a similar, although massively more comprehensive, version of 9-11 scare mongering.
I agree with "sid." These calamities are occurring in countries throughout the world. Whomever the globalist elites are manipulating our lives, they are more powerful than we can imagine. As for Biden, he's a mere pawn being used to achieve a goal.
I am in WA also. A family member works in the Providence system and their RE was approved, but after Dept of Fish and Wildlife just reneged on their approved exemptions, I wonder how long it will be before NO exemptions are allowed here.
This data is no longer available on the official website, likely because it blew the narrative all apart. But notice the dip in available beds at the end of the graph? That's due to a staffing shortage. Inslee's brilliant idea is to fire his way out of a staffing shortage.
How long can they cover it up is the question. When winter hits here and vaxxed start dying does the wake up happen? Can you really fool all the people all the time in perpetuity?
It can go either way, which is what worries me (and presumably many readers here). Assuming the continued total censorship by media, tech and government of anything other than the official lies, the compliant (a very large number of people) might well decide to blame the un-vaccinated for the deaths of the vaccinated. That it makes no sense scientifically to do so will not be a factor at all.
As someone said, it’s only a matter of time before some media member or such us. Person very close die that “followed the rules” and this thing gets blown open. However, how much damage is done between now and then is the question.
We don't need to wait for winter, the vaxxed are already dying. I hate to see it, because the vast majority of vaxxed are wonderful, trusting people who believed in what the authorities told them. They were lied to, and tricked. There has to be justice for all of this eventually.
I used to be shocked, but that has given way to sadness (and a bit of anger). People are injecting their children with an experimental agent that might cause great harm. If they had meaningful access to real information, I suspect most of them would never do this.
Agreed. Twitter noted yesterday that 700,000 have died of Covid. I personally do not believe that stat. Nobody knows that over 800,000 die each year of cardiovascular disease. 700,000 of cancer. Start adding up all those deaths every year and that puts virus in different perspective. The person wearing mask, fretting over virus, that is obese is not at all doing all he/she can to be healthy and reduce risk. I know a 2 guys like this. So obese. Unbelievable smokers. 1 Married to nurse. Frets constantly about virus. They must know being obese is a top risk. Nope.
Well need to wait for audited all-cause death stats for better clues as to what actually happened. Careers will be made analyzing the data from this debacle for decades to come. We know enough already to be pretty sure we've been manipulated. How bad remains to be seen.
Dmitry Katz believes smoking is actually a deterrent to Covid due to the Nicotine in cigarettes ie Niacin which as been shown to prevent and help long haulers. I take Niacin every day now. Known to reduce cholesterol too. Sounds crazy I know.
Their conclusion..."This nosocomial outbreak exemplifies the high transmissibility of the SARS-CoV-2 Delta variant among twice vaccinated and masked individuals. This suggests some waning of immunity, albeit still providing protection for individuals without comorbidities. However, a third vaccine dose may be needed, particularly in individuals with risk factors for severe COVID-19. Appropriate use of masks, especially in high-risk settings is advised." So jabs and masks had no effect so more masks, more jabs needed. facepalm.
"Los Angeles County has made tremendous progress in its battle against the coronavirus, but one of the tools officials credit most with helping turn the tide — a countywide indoor mask mandate — doesn’t seem likely to go away anytime soon."
I wasn't so prone to being conspiratorial until the CCP and globalist Democrat (same large animal?) had this fortuitous pandemic happen exactly when they needed it to defeat Trump and launch a new phase of their Soros Assisted Collectivist New World Order. Given such profound evidence of a coordinated global misinformation program, I now believe that the virus and the vaccines and the administrative policies around them were designed in fact to prolong the pandemic.
Somewhere deep in the belly of the beast is some documentation connection Fauci, the CCP, DNC, wealthy globalists and their corporatist benefactors, to a bold plan to wreck the world with sickness, death and fear so to leverage the chaos with "help" in the form of more totalitarian control.
This still might be great fiction, but every day I am seeing it more being a future story of real history.
Event 201 seems like a very strange coincidence right? "The Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security in partnership with the World Economic Forum and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation hosted Event 201, a high-level pandemic exercise on October 18, 2019, in New York, NY."
The sad thing is if you share this info with the Covidian vaccine cult people they immediately say it’s not true. Unless it’s from an MSM site they discount the story and say it’s just anti-vax conspiracy. There really is a mass deception going on.
I don't feel alone here. All my friends and close relatives have been vaccinated. My own small family of four all had Covid in November and have declined the vaccine. I do have one friend who said she will not get a booster.
Everyone I know is vaccinated, including my youngish, beyond healthy spouse. I am more informed than all of them combined. I keep saying that hope is not a strategy, but it falls on deaf ears. This is the only place of sanity in my life.
I tried to convince my kids not to get it, but their father was pushing them. My daughter was so proud to get it and posted all over social media. My son’s college mandated it and all his friends were all getting it. Broke my heart. I stand alone in my household and now my husband is freaking out that I could be fired since I’m the sole breadwinner. I am so close to being eligible to retire hoping I can hold the line. One good thing is I have 5 siblings that think the way I do.
I am there with you- regarding the children- both of our boys and thimerosal girlfriends have taken the jab and think that we are the crazy ones. I worry, all the time, that ADE could actually happen and my precious boys would be hurt or damaged. So so scary and I hope, beyond hope, that I am wrong. Best of luck with your job... I can't believe this is even a discussion, but, here we are. Hope you can retire and take yourself out of the bullying workforce.
The overlords know full well that the jab destroys any chance of "they" holding onto natural immunity, and any chance of creating pharma immunity. Leaky and defective. All part of the plan.
You're seeing parts of it unfold: freedoms based on your compliance with medical mandates, and I believe eventually climate change mandates such as home size, car size, mileage, water use, etc
The rich will be able to avoid the mandates (just like now) - the middle class and the poor will be under the boot of soft totalitarianism.
This was predicted. Very enlightening interview for those who want to get into the weeds. Sadly and frustratingly, Vanden Bossche can say, "I told you so." "Meeting of the Covid-19 Giants" (Geert Vanden Bossche and Robert Malone MD) https://bit.ly/CovidGiants
Bottom line, allowing those at least risk to get infected (esp. children) promotes herd immunity faster than vaccination. The vaccinated are a huge risk creating even better variants that have potentially more harmful overall effects. We can hope those recovered with natural immunity will retain an ability to stay immune to those newly created variants. The awful truth seems to be vaccinated becoming super spreaders because they have no symptoms. One might ask what have we done?
I can't believe those three unvaccinated people spread it to so many vaccinated people, including the patient they caught it from! There truly is no limit to the evil powers of the unvaccinated, including time-travel.
We need to all stop falling for the fraud that everyone is average, and statistical averages apply equally to every individual. They don't. Immunity is is not binary -- immune or vulnerable. Some people are innately more susceptible to bad reactions to infections than others. Likewise, some people respond less to vaccines than others. Good innate immune health requires that our systems function correctly. Likewise, immunity acquired by vaccination also requires good immune health. Vaccines aren't magic potions, imbuing the recipient with a protective force field. It only stimulates the immune system to strengthen defenses against the targeted pathogen. A weakened immune system is more vulnerable to pathogens, and is also less responsive to vaccines.
The important information about the cited Israeli case is not whether he was vaccinated, but what conditions contributed to his immune failure.
The medical industry knows this. The politicization of medical services has driven clinical competence underground. Standards of care are not decided by practicing doctors or nurses, but by bureaucrats they work for, many of whom have decided political obedience is more important than patient success. That is the biggest scandal in American history. The only scandal that can exceed that one is if we allow the perpetrators of this deadly medical fraud to remain blameless.
Either the bureaucrats will be punished, or the rest of us will.
well stated David. Infection is a combination of the inoculum or viral lode, the potency of the virus (virulence) and your immune defenses. Everyone's defense is highly variable. especially with this virus.
If a vaccinated HCW was in the dialysis unit with the patient for longer periods of time - or had the patient cough in his face - it would be a lot worse exposure than just walking by the room.
I still can't believe no one has utilized UV light in hospitals. It makes so much sense.
Many hospitals do. A lot of enterprising companies is provide UV disinfecting equipment and services. A few have robots that wander around disinfecting everything in sight.
And I live there. I had covid and my green passport has been revoked because I won't get the "vaccine". Everyone here is running for their third. Thank you Alex for keeping me sane and on the right path!
Like Harvard Business School, almost 100% vaccinated and had to stop in person classes because of a COVID outbreak !! Maybe 110% will work?!?!
Vaccine effectiveness -66% yes minus: https://dailysceptic.org/2021/10/03/vaccine-effectiveness-hits-as-low-as-minus-66-in-the-over-40s-new-phe-data-shows/
This proves the vaccine kills more people than it saves...This is the only way to get a negative result!
Not a randomized controlled trial. RCTs show vaccines effective over a broad range of ages.
Actually,the so called RCTs were fudged at best, the Absolute effectiveness in all the trials indicate less than 2% effect in preventing Covid between vaccine groups and control groups. Relative effectiveness is a useless measure.
By absolute effectiveness, you mean you take include people who haven't got the bug? So, a cancer cure is no good if it cures half the cancers, because most people didn't get cancer during the two month study? Don't like your medical school either.
God bless you! I hope for your sake Israel wakes up to their own data and stop this insanity!
Conclusions from the study: "This suggests some waning of immunity, albeit still providing protection for individuals without comorbidities. However, a third vaccine dose may be needed, particularly in individuals with risk factors for severe COVID-19. Appropriate use of masks, especially in high-risk settings is advised."
The conclusions don't seem to indicate any changes are likely...
The conclusions seem utterly unrelated to the data presented in the paper.
This is sadly not unusual in many scientific papers. The investigators perform pretzel logic to declare "Black in white." See Gary Taubes' book "Good Calories, Bad Calories" to see how for many nutritional studies the data indicates the exact opposite of the conclusions presented in the papers.
They never realize what they are doing is not working ; just haven't done enough !!
More vaccines that don’t work will fix it!
Perhaps if people try harder to believe they work, they'll have a placebo effect? In all seriousness, such effects can be real; is declining belief in efficacy a factor in declining efficacy?
..get a fourth dose...no, wait! fifth dose...no, wait! get IV drip attached with vaccine! Now you're good.
So Israel no longer recognizes infection-conferred immunity? Alex’s write-up seems to suggest that those who previously had Covid can no longer get the green pass unless they get one dose of the vaccine. Is that new just since they required the booster?
Yes, to be "green passed" the naturally recovered need one shot ( for now). Even though it is Israeli studies that confirm robust immunity from Infection!! They don't want to hurt any ones feelings.
Feels like they want everyone with immunity from prior infection to be vaccinated to make the vaccinated reporting look better or because they don't want the naturally immune stats to put vaccine immunity to shame.
This is an excellent point! I didn’t think of that. But weren’t there some studies that came out that said the vaccine erased the natural immunity when given after infection?
Yes, I have heard of those studies as well. So idk. Just spitballing. Who knows what will happen tomorrow, much less what will prove true in 6 months. I sure miss 2019.
Remember 2020 dumpster fire, worst-year-ever paraphernalia? 2021 seems to be outdoing it.
Smells like corruption.
He also loves the smell of all that cash coming his way.
Praying for ya brother - tough times ahead for independent thinkers. stay strong
And yet another study........Vitamin D is an effective & inexpensive form of Covid Prevention !!
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.09.22.21263977v1#disqus_thread
Josh, same here. My "green pass" from my recovered status is being pulled bc i wont get the booster. Are you in the anti-green pass TG group?
ADE. We’re there. No reason to expect anything different in US this fall/winter, so expect a bad one. Fauci has pivoted to doom/gloom recently too to prepare us but not for this reason bc he won’t utter the unutterable…massive vaxing + ADE = disaster. Throw HC labor shortages onto the fire bc nurses and orderlies will walk rather than get a mandated vax and it’s gonna be epic bad.
Btw: have any of these PHO geniuses ever talked to your average HC worker? Nobody is more skeptical of Big Pharma power and depredations colluding w Big HC Admin than those that see it everyday.
Here’s Fauci in March 2020 talking about ADE (starts at 3:05 mark), and to my knowledge he never mentioned it again, or explained if they “made sure that we don’t have enhancement”.
https://youtu.be/ZrWAqpPGAxQ
There was a saying in medical school: “those that can do, and those that can’t teach”. I think that’s overly simplistic but in this case I would modify it to “those that can do, those that can’t become directors of public health agencies”.
Absolutely, it is well known that the CDC is populated by the C students, the untalented at best, of the med/sci world. That is not in doubt.
I have always said that conservatives always send their B team into politics. The smartest ones run corporations. The smartest liberals go into politics.
Amazing... thanks for link (downloaded as I expect it will disappear). He also mentions theraputics will be tested. Too bad government money didn't finance trials for existing generics that might have had value. Not to crazy about the new Merck anti-viral as it messes with RNA too (highly active mutagenic ribonucleosides may hold risk for the host - source: https://academic.oup.com/jid/article/224/3/415/6272009).
Ivermectin on NIH website as a treatment for covid-19. Why do we need another Merck drug with dangerous side effects?!!
Money
Yes I think it’s notable that he/they never really came up with any good therapeutics to recommend. Also in that clip he talks about how they will mass-produce the vaccines before they know if they’re safe.
Well, it's impassible to get an EUA if there are effective alternate treatments. So hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin couldn't be approved without destroying Pfizer and Modern's income.
I really like how he sounds demonically excited that we'll be looking for ADE to be "interspersed" while the trials are going on...Good thing we're still in them and will be until May 2023 (Pfizer), Jan. 2023 (J&J), late Oct. 2022 (Moderna). I was trying to find this video so thank you for posting it!
they're bureaucrats. They get paid to be idiots.
Washington is infected with stupid.
To turn a movie phrase, “I see stupid people. They’re everywhere. They don’t know they’re stupid, but they are.”
They never realize what they are doing is not working ; just haven't done enough !!
Typical leftists.
I'm personally using this chart of estimated "natural" immunity in my state. I no longer use the vaccination rate in anything it just skews things. We are at about 45% and so I'm expecting a bad winter because those states which did get a lot of people vaccinated will probably get sicker too...
https://twitter.com/Humble_Analysis/status/1434690815075311620
Thanks for the link! Looks like it will be really bad for those of us in VT, NH & ME. Some of my fellow Vermonters are already wanting the governor to go back to mask mandates and more...
Hey, I went to the link and tried the chart, but I can't understand the date spread. I read the preprint and skimmed the full document but still can't figure it out how to interpret the bottom figures on the graph which I assume are dates. Can you explain?
I'm not sure we're seeing full blown ADE yet. As I understand it, in an ADE scenario, the more healthy would also be at higher risk because their immune systems are more efficient, which in this case would increase replication rate. So far the healthy staff people were not particularly affected.
Perhaps this is a milder enhancement effect caused by antibodies waning at different rates, and the waning is faster in the older demographics. (This was pre booster rollout)
The ADE I am worried about would arise from virus spike mutations that escape the neutralizing RBD antibody coverage, leaving other enhancing antibodies still able to bind.
And yet another study........Vitamin D is an effective & inexpensive form of Covid Prevention !!
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.09.22.21263977v1#disqus_thread
Yes, another facet of this drive to do anything that DOESNT solve the problem. Need vitamin D? Be afraid and stay indoors!
So the completely unvaccinated passengers and crew of the Diamond Princess cruise ship in Feb 2020 had a lower rate of infection and death than the fully vaccinated patients and staff of the Meir medical center in July, 2021.
The Experts should have left well enough alone instead of trying to fix something that is not broke: NATURAL IMMUNITY !!
broken
Ooops! I stand corrected !!
To be fair, the old saw is, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"
That ship was an excellent gathering of data. It told us so much. Yet the brightest and best never listened. Western nations do not worry about crashing economies and ruining lives, but protecting masses of virus few would die of set their hair on fire.
They knew exactly what they were doing. Vaccines & Remdesiver & ventilators kill
But Biden tells us that covid will go away with 97% vaccinated. We just need to look at Israel to see the supreme failure of it all. It’s worth noting that now in WA state, healthcare workers, firefighters, state workers are now being fired based off them being unvaxxed. Yet so many of these folks say the reason they haven’t vaxxed is cuz of natural immunity. They be the ones not testing positive when exposed and yet their vaccinated coworkers are getting and spreading the virus on their hospital floors. But it’s the unvaxxed with natural immunity getting fired. We are about to have a huge healthcare crisis on our hands in WA. Not from Covid, but from idiot policies to fire anyone who hasn’t taken the jab. Oh and religious exemptions at Peace Health in the area have ALL been rejected.
My husband and I live in WA as well. We had Covid way back in March 2020, fully recovered thanks to a daily regimen of vitamins and supplements, have refused vaccines and are now being excluded from all social interactions in public places because of it. No sporting events, restaurants, museums, etc. after October 25. Husband will not be able to go the the gym, thereby banning a major effort to stay healthy despite the fact that not a single virus infection has ever been traced to a gym. The insanity --- and evil --- continues.
I'm so sorry to hear this Paula, make sure you get some nice equipment and work out from home. Best of luck to you and yours.
Millions think if they get the virus they will die. Media and government did this damage with purposeful scaremongering. Those terrified of dying will never change their minds that this virus did not mean a death sentence for most. The vaccines are not safe for some, and long term may be safe for none. Time will tell the diseases that appear due to vaccines. Now we are going to jab kids and kill some of them unnecessarily. Of course killing babies is widely embraced today as the right of the mother. Why are we vaccinating children? To protect adults? Meanwhile vaccinated are the spreaders in many cases.
Since when did a vaccine affect anyone other than the person who is vaccinated? Absolutely one of the worst deceptions of the entire vax campaign. I've had numerous vaccines in my lifetime. How many people did any of my vaccines protect? ONLY ONE. A vaccine put into my body only affects ME... no one else. My lack of a covid vaccine endangers not one person.
I understand your point but it's not entirely accurate. There actually is such a thing as herd immunity with e.g., measles. Your kid's measles vaccine protects the kids that didn't get vaccinated.
Covid shots are totally different and in that case I agree with you completely.
That analysis falters when the VACCINATED spread the disease. Reducing the numbers who can spread the disease does arrive at herd immunity which is why my mother got us all together for a measles party. We had punch and cake for all our neighborhood. We all stayed home from school until we recovered. The school continued on anyway and was there when we returned. I never heard of any casualties but I was likely too young to understand if there were issues.
There can be fatal cases of encephalitis due to measles (red measles) and the bigger problem is just the disruption of life for lots of people when an epidemic sweeps through a geographical area. Of course the more cases the more likelihood that there will be fatalities. Rubella (German measles) cause serious birth defects if a pregnant woman catches it in the first trimester. Measles parties (and chickenpox parties) were common when there were no vaccines to create immunity.
However, these mRNA COVID vaccines don't seem to produce a very protective or long-lasting immunity (if they produce actual immunity at all) compared to the older killed or attenuated virus vaccines. They clearly don't engage the immune system in the way that either natural infection or conventional vaccinations do.
None of those vaccines protected anybody either.
The difference was that doctors won't let people get tested for measles, polio, etc if they're vaccinated.
The covid vaxed are still getting tested so even the official data demonstrates that they don't work.
Another Washingtonian here watching this nightmare of discrimination and purposeful Healthcare sabotage occur.
My RE accepted for now, but seeing people lose their jobs or be treated differently all around me. I DON'T think the comparisons with late 1930's Germany are inappropriate. We don't know how they will tighten the screws if the tide doesn't turn soon.
Like Harvard Business School, almost 100% vaccinated and had to stop in person classes because of a COVID outbreak !! Maybe 110% will work?!?!
Tessa, I slept alone last night because my UNVAXXED RN spouse was called in to cover for a vaxxed nurse who got COVID.
This. This right here. This highlights the stupidity of mandates and passports and only testing the unvaxxed. Thanks for posting. My hope is in NYC they continue to have outbreaks in their hospitals just to show the absurdity of it all.
Biden saying 97% makes me think he is trying to figure out how to force it on everyone in the country. I think the mandates are only going to get worse, unless hospitals, police departments, etc become overwhelmed beforehand because so many are fired for rejecting the shot.
I don’t thinks it’s Biden saying 97%. He really can’t think cognitively enough for that. I would really like to know who the evil perpetrators behind the curtain are. Who actually is pushing this and, ultimately, what do they really want? I want to see their faces and know their names. Is it Obama? Who is forcing this diabolical policy to hurt America and harm and kill Americans? Know thy enemy!
A confluence of various allied global interests who seek total social control over the world population, now technically possible using massive database and storage and various other cyber technologies. As always, follow the money. COVID fakery offers a pretext to "re-write the script" in a similar, although massively more comprehensive, version of 9-11 scare mongering.
I watched Biden say it on tv. But yes, doubtful he came up with it on his own.
I agree with "sid." These calamities are occurring in countries throughout the world. Whomever the globalist elites are manipulating our lives, they are more powerful than we can imagine. As for Biden, he's a mere pawn being used to achieve a goal.
I’m never getting one.
I am in WA also. A family member works in the Providence system and their RE was approved, but after Dept of Fish and Wildlife just reneged on their approved exemptions, I wonder how long it will be before NO exemptions are allowed here.
I know you know this but a lot of Washington people below might not -- our hospital usage has been flat the entire time.
https://imgur.com/a/xXTNtdi
This data is no longer available on the official website, likely because it blew the narrative all apart. But notice the dip in available beds at the end of the graph? That's due to a staffing shortage. Inslee's brilliant idea is to fire his way out of a staffing shortage.
Fellow WA stater here and you're spot on.
Same in other states!
How long can they cover it up is the question. When winter hits here and vaxxed start dying does the wake up happen? Can you really fool all the people all the time in perpetuity?
You can if you control the media, have a population ignorant about science, and blame every setback on the unvaccinated.
Exactly. And purposely understaff the hospitals.
I’m unvaxxed snd perfectly healthy. Don’t look at me!
It can go either way, which is what worries me (and presumably many readers here). Assuming the continued total censorship by media, tech and government of anything other than the official lies, the compliant (a very large number of people) might well decide to blame the un-vaccinated for the deaths of the vaccinated. That it makes no sense scientifically to do so will not be a factor at all.
They'll blame it on the unvax'd or un-boostered.
Exactly. And they are setting up the hospitals to be understaffed this winter. On purpose. It will play right into their hands.
As someone said, it’s only a matter of time before some media member or such us. Person very close die that “followed the rules” and this thing gets blown open. However, how much damage is done between now and then is the question.
"the truth will out" Jonanathan Quail Higgins
unfortunately, 1,000's have and will die both from the disease and the "cure" before it does.
We don't need to wait for winter, the vaxxed are already dying. I hate to see it, because the vast majority of vaxxed are wonderful, trusting people who believed in what the authorities told them. They were lied to, and tricked. There has to be justice for all of this eventually.
Apparently
It’s SO shocking, isn’t it?!
I used to be shocked, but that has given way to sadness (and a bit of anger). People are injecting their children with an experimental agent that might cause great harm. If they had meaningful access to real information, I suspect most of them would never do this.
Agreed. Twitter noted yesterday that 700,000 have died of Covid. I personally do not believe that stat. Nobody knows that over 800,000 die each year of cardiovascular disease. 700,000 of cancer. Start adding up all those deaths every year and that puts virus in different perspective. The person wearing mask, fretting over virus, that is obese is not at all doing all he/she can to be healthy and reduce risk. I know a 2 guys like this. So obese. Unbelievable smokers. 1 Married to nurse. Frets constantly about virus. They must know being obese is a top risk. Nope.
Well need to wait for audited all-cause death stats for better clues as to what actually happened. Careers will be made analyzing the data from this debacle for decades to come. We know enough already to be pretty sure we've been manipulated. How bad remains to be seen.
When would we expect to get those types of statistics?
Dmitry Katz believes smoking is actually a deterrent to Covid due to the Nicotine in cigarettes ie Niacin which as been shown to prevent and help long haulers. I take Niacin every day now. Known to reduce cholesterol too. Sounds crazy I know.
Time to start smoking lol 😂
Their conclusion..."This nosocomial outbreak exemplifies the high transmissibility of the SARS-CoV-2 Delta variant among twice vaccinated and masked individuals. This suggests some waning of immunity, albeit still providing protection for individuals without comorbidities. However, a third vaccine dose may be needed, particularly in individuals with risk factors for severe COVID-19. Appropriate use of masks, especially in high-risk settings is advised." So jabs and masks had no effect so more masks, more jabs needed. facepalm.
The beatings will continue until morale improves.
Correct. We have to keep wearing the masks until the virus subsides on its own, because the masks don't work.
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-09-30/when-might-la-indoor-covid-mask-mandate-end
"Los Angeles County has made tremendous progress in its battle against the coronavirus, but one of the tools officials credit most with helping turn the tide — a countywide indoor mask mandate — doesn’t seem likely to go away anytime soon."
Yes we need to get boosters until we get covid, then keep taking boosters we don't need.
I wasn't so prone to being conspiratorial until the CCP and globalist Democrat (same large animal?) had this fortuitous pandemic happen exactly when they needed it to defeat Trump and launch a new phase of their Soros Assisted Collectivist New World Order. Given such profound evidence of a coordinated global misinformation program, I now believe that the virus and the vaccines and the administrative policies around them were designed in fact to prolong the pandemic.
Somewhere deep in the belly of the beast is some documentation connection Fauci, the CCP, DNC, wealthy globalists and their corporatist benefactors, to a bold plan to wreck the world with sickness, death and fear so to leverage the chaos with "help" in the form of more totalitarian control.
This still might be great fiction, but every day I am seeing it more being a future story of real history.
I’ve thought this from the beginning as well. Too coincidental to not be true.
I really, really, REALLY hate being turned into a conspiracy theorist. But there it is.
Event 201 seems like a very strange coincidence right? "The Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security in partnership with the World Economic Forum and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation hosted Event 201, a high-level pandemic exercise on October 18, 2019, in New York, NY."
https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/
https://youtu.be/9wyQir4Ro_0
How about this for a coincidence? Project Runway in 2019. Contestant's name was Kovid. The outfit he designed came with a matching MASK.
I have no words!
The sad thing is if you share this info with the Covidian vaccine cult people they immediately say it’s not true. Unless it’s from an MSM site they discount the story and say it’s just anti-vax conspiracy. There really is a mass deception going on.
<broken record> It's not about a virus people; you're being played </end broken record>
As I Said before : Covid Vaccines "are safe and effective" is the biggest Conspiracy Theory ever told !!!
I don't feel alone here. All my friends and close relatives have been vaccinated. My own small family of four all had Covid in November and have declined the vaccine. I do have one friend who said she will not get a booster.
Everyone I know is vaccinated, including my youngish, beyond healthy spouse. I am more informed than all of them combined. I keep saying that hope is not a strategy, but it falls on deaf ears. This is the only place of sanity in my life.
I tried to convince my kids not to get it, but their father was pushing them. My daughter was so proud to get it and posted all over social media. My son’s college mandated it and all his friends were all getting it. Broke my heart. I stand alone in my household and now my husband is freaking out that I could be fired since I’m the sole breadwinner. I am so close to being eligible to retire hoping I can hold the line. One good thing is I have 5 siblings that think the way I do.
That's tough. I hope you can hold the line. Glad you at least have the support of your siblings.
I am there with you- regarding the children- both of our boys and thimerosal girlfriends have taken the jab and think that we are the crazy ones. I worry, all the time, that ADE could actually happen and my precious boys would be hurt or damaged. So so scary and I hope, beyond hope, that I am wrong. Best of luck with your job... I can't believe this is even a discussion, but, here we are. Hope you can retire and take yourself out of the bullying workforce.
Conspiracies are now Spoiler Alerts !!
The overlords know full well that the jab destroys any chance of "they" holding onto natural immunity, and any chance of creating pharma immunity. Leaky and defective. All part of the plan.
These jabs will leave millions defenseless against regular colds and flu this coming winter !! Get Ready !!!
And hospitals purposefully understaffed
so what is the plan?
You're seeing parts of it unfold: freedoms based on your compliance with medical mandates, and I believe eventually climate change mandates such as home size, car size, mileage, water use, etc
The rich will be able to avoid the mandates (just like now) - the middle class and the poor will be under the boot of soft totalitarianism.
yes, a "soft despotism" I beleive is the phrase de Tocqueville used.
Yes. COVID is the new Climate Change (which was the new Global Warming).
I think there is an off ramp. Karl Denninger has written about it. There will be withdrawal issues though.
Can you explain or direct us to his work? Thank you!
https://market-ticker.org/
This was predicted. Very enlightening interview for those who want to get into the weeds. Sadly and frustratingly, Vanden Bossche can say, "I told you so." "Meeting of the Covid-19 Giants" (Geert Vanden Bossche and Robert Malone MD) https://bit.ly/CovidGiants
Bottom line, allowing those at least risk to get infected (esp. children) promotes herd immunity faster than vaccination. The vaccinated are a huge risk creating even better variants that have potentially more harmful overall effects. We can hope those recovered with natural immunity will retain an ability to stay immune to those newly created variants. The awful truth seems to be vaccinated becoming super spreaders because they have no symptoms. One might ask what have we done?
This was fascinating
Yes highly recommended viewing
They cover so much ground
I can't believe those three unvaccinated people spread it to so many vaccinated people, including the patient they caught it from! There truly is no limit to the evil powers of the unvaccinated, including time-travel.
Well, at least we got heard immunity - ain't nobody heard about dis.
Bwahaha!
#VGV (virus gonna’ virus)
Did Alex coin this? Because me likey.
Great! I need a T-shirt with this.
We need to all stop falling for the fraud that everyone is average, and statistical averages apply equally to every individual. They don't. Immunity is is not binary -- immune or vulnerable. Some people are innately more susceptible to bad reactions to infections than others. Likewise, some people respond less to vaccines than others. Good innate immune health requires that our systems function correctly. Likewise, immunity acquired by vaccination also requires good immune health. Vaccines aren't magic potions, imbuing the recipient with a protective force field. It only stimulates the immune system to strengthen defenses against the targeted pathogen. A weakened immune system is more vulnerable to pathogens, and is also less responsive to vaccines.
The important information about the cited Israeli case is not whether he was vaccinated, but what conditions contributed to his immune failure.
The medical industry knows this. The politicization of medical services has driven clinical competence underground. Standards of care are not decided by practicing doctors or nurses, but by bureaucrats they work for, many of whom have decided political obedience is more important than patient success. That is the biggest scandal in American history. The only scandal that can exceed that one is if we allow the perpetrators of this deadly medical fraud to remain blameless.
Either the bureaucrats will be punished, or the rest of us will.
well stated David. Infection is a combination of the inoculum or viral lode, the potency of the virus (virulence) and your immune defenses. Everyone's defense is highly variable. especially with this virus.
If a vaccinated HCW was in the dialysis unit with the patient for longer periods of time - or had the patient cough in his face - it would be a lot worse exposure than just walking by the room.
I still can't believe no one has utilized UV light in hospitals. It makes so much sense.
Many hospitals do. A lot of enterprising companies is provide UV disinfecting equipment and services. A few have robots that wander around disinfecting everything in sight.
UV light therapy cannot be implemented because Orange Man Bad.