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This data is worthless. “COVID deaths” are a completely arbitrary statistic. Excess mortality is the only metric that matters - which is precisely why they didn’t use it. Then Sweden would have done even better and they’d have had to exclude China (as they should have anyway) because we have no idea what goes on in China and nor does anyone else. This is such a silly game we keep playing with “COVID deaths” and it’s a little sad even team reality is now pretending it’s actually a relevant data point

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Even excess deaths aren't ideal. Excess lost life years is what I want to see.

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Agreed, I am currently calculating retirement funding and insurance. Tough topic to contemplate mortality, but that is the one sure thing. So, if you are 80, overweight, and have hypertension due to Type II diabetes and you catch COVID in a nursing home and die from, or with it, you didn't lose many life years.

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Super interesting concept, glad someone is looking at it from the life years perspective. I remember reading an article on Sweden maybe a year back, where they said "yes, they had quite a few deaths" in the older population at the onset of covid before they put any precautions in place, but they also had a lot of "dry timber" in that population because the previous two flu years were relatively light. Once the calculations were done on averages of old folks dying over the last 5 years, the covid year wasn't that far off at all. Is that what you're evaluating?

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Yes, exactly. If an otherwise health 30 year old contracted COVID and died due to COVID (that is rare) the lost months of life would be 576 (78*12=936)-(30*12=360)=576. However, if an unhealthy 77 year old dies, the lost months of life would be 12.

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This is exactly the kind of calm, rational approach that went entirely out the window in most countries during the Covid panic of 2020 and beyond. And lost months of life was exactly the metric I was discussing with friends. Thanks for your great comments on this.

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Actually “excess mortality” relies on cause of death, which tends to be politically determined. What’s important is all-cause mortality - which didn’t change for any western country in 2020 compared to their previous 10-year average. The only exception was the US.

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Excess mortality is just deaths compared to trend - cause not relevant.

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Whether designed for it or not, The PCR-Tests are actually 100% Effective when they're used to test for people's Gullibility &

Stupidity! It's amazing how that works! 😂😂

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You do realize that every Hospital was closed for 3 months some More? The only units open was CCRU ICU staff was only critical care doctors Nurses and staff. No one else was allowed in the hospital the whole time. 99% of all doctors nurses was unemployed for 3 months some more. So with that said this should tell you that all these Twitter and Facebook the elite media they never meet seen nor treated or have the knowledge to work diagnose a Covid Vent Patient. Most Hospitals don't have Critical care units Level one trauma center.

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I agree analyzing trends in overall all-cause mortality is the best mechanism for determining the impact of a newly introduced variable. This is obviously complicated for covid given all the confounding factors introduced at the same time. It's further complicated by the lack of reliability in all-cause mortality data.

The US should be ignored outright. Our historical all-cause mortality reports take, on average, about 18 months from the close of a year to produce (so the 2019 report would come out in mid-2021). This is because of how antiquated our systems are (good) and the need to remove all non-citizens from the data (doesn't matter if you're for or against healthcare for non-citizens - it's simply the best way to keep the data apples to apples year by year). All-cause data across the west is complicated by 2019 being the healthiest year on record which badly skewed the baseline data and made all YoY comparisons (they used YoY rather than rolling 5 year or rolling 10 year averages to make the reporting look worse - until they gave up completely because it still didn't look as bad as just fake "covid deaths" which could literally be as high as every death in the US if you wanted it to be - pretty much everyone has coughed within 60 days of dying if you use the UK definition of "with covid.").

I went relatively deep on this in my stack article on my personal choice not to get vaccinated. The all-cause mortality data, at all ages, simply didn't justify our response (and our response lead to significantly worth health outcomes than a simple coronavirus would have), and, by the definition prior to the revision in 2019, wouldn't even have been considered a pandemic. I believe Sweden had it's 3 and 5th lowest all-cause death totals over the last 20 years in 2020 and 2021... and that isn't an outlier.

It's not true to say there was no change across all western countries in 2020 - but it is fair to say that changes were, in most cases, very small, very isolated, and almost entirely panic driven...

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Agreed. China had I believe officially 5 Covid deaths in the 2 years to April 2022. Yeah, right!

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They also had and continue to have a much more sane definition of a "Covid death." See this New York Times article that bemoans the way in which China defines Covid deaths as only those "from" Covid rather than "with" Covid -- the horror!

"Many places, including the United States, Britain and Hong Kong, do not differentiate between people who die with COVID or die from COVID, as long as the coronavirus was a contributing factor. But mainland China generally counts only those who die directly from COVID-related pneumonia, said Zhengming Chen, a professor of epidemiology at the University of Oxford. (It has long done the same for other illnesses.)"

https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/world/shanghais-low-covid-death-toll-revives-questions-about-chinas-numbers-8386771.html

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So the true fraud has been the vast (like really really really vast) exaggeration of "Covid deaths" in the US and around the wall, based on defining a Covid death as anything that smells possibly of Covid, regardless of any actual causal linkage.

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I totally agree. Note that even if you accept the fake, exaggerated "Covid death" numbers, 99.8 percent of the population still survived. This whole thing has been hyped beyond belief and used as an excuse to suppress our liberties and to propel certain political groups to power.

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but excess deaths say nothing about attribution. It's far more likely that excess deaths in most countries is a product of policy choices like lockdowns, nursing home isolation, etc., than the virus itself.

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Call me a conspiracy monger but: this was intentional to drive the US economy down and take pressure off of China. Trump was hurting them badly. They acted and our wankers in key positions did everything wrong. Regardless of whether it started as a way to level Trump, the commies in and out of DC used it.

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How can that NOT be a real possibility. Only person who has attempted to hold CCP accountable has been Trump

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The list of predictions by the tyrants and the oppression they heaped upon citizens is numerous but publish them all and do it often. These people (assisted by our corrupt media) are already attempting to memory-hole much of what they said and did to others. Don't allow that to happen.

My liberal lock down 'friends' who thought it was ok for me to lose my job, be locked in my home and generally treated like a second class citizen unless vaxxed and masked, now want to act like nothing happened. My response when they want to get a beer? Go fuck yourself.

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I have fewer but real friends now

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Good decision. My circle is smaller and my life is simpler.

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Chris, it wouldn't let me like this post so Im commenting to say I liked this post (your previous longer one describes me to a T)

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What was called a "COVID death" 24 months vs. 12 months vs. 6 months vs. 1 month ago feels very, very different. Will we ultimately lump in vaccine-related deaths as part of a 'rona death? (Probably not)

I've noted a dozen times, but I'd love for Alex (or any non-owned entity) to dive in and report on every person in the U.S. political space who has financial gains tied to the vax. I think our heads might explode if that data was made public... c'mon, Alex. They hate you already, show what they're really made of.

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New York needs to see this graph as they re-embark on more masking with the recent "surge". But people in New York seem oblivious to facts, surviving purely on their own hot air.

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New York City is a pathetic, broken cesspool. Everyone that lives there gets the stupidity they deserve. It’s a banana republic run by morons.

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Make sure you see the movie "Escape From New York." It's becoming more true by the day. Snake Plissken for Mayor!

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great flick. Not a bad idea either, turn that shithole city into a prison.

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I have come to hate the media-abused word "surge" just like I did the word "pivot" before that

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That chart makes a huge leap; namely, that COVID deaths are accurately counted. Of course they were not and the US was probably the biggest offender of all. I have an idea, next flu season let's give tremendous incentive for hospitals, doctors, media, and politicians to count flu deaths. Let's put a ticker in the corner of every screen. Let's talk about it endlessly. Let's put flu positive patients into nursing homes ... then let's see how those number stack up to COVID. I have had both COVID and Omicron (Omicron, genetically appears to pre-date COVID, so I count them as separate viruses). I am not immunocompromised, but am in my 60's. A bad flu is much worse than COVID-19.

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Good point. US hospitals were given a bounty of $40,000 per Covid death, and like true capitalists they delivered.

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That's not true capitalism, that's crony capitalism, CRAPitalism.

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And if your family agrees to list Covid as the cause of death, FEMA will reimburse funeral expenses up to $9K. You knew pops died from drinking and heart disease, but if someone dangles this offer in front of you at a vulnerable time, it would be hard to say no.

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The flu two and a half years ago took me out for a week straight. I had covid in January of this year and it took me out for 16 hrs

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How any of these idiots that pushed lockdowns and hastily made vaccines can even show their heads in public is beyond hideous. Narcissism at its finest. Most will go to their grave without apologizing.

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It's a total self and mutual congratulation society. Hence the crushing of "disinformation" that might challenge them.

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Yep

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True. I am a constant reminder of their folly and I enjoy holding that mirror for them.

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The U.S economic impact was on life support with the Trillions in spending. Let's redo the chart with 2022 and 2023 GDP's; we'll be in the bottom right for sure.

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As the first American social scientist allowed to do fieldwork in Communist China in 1979-80, I quickly discovered that Party officials will produce whatever statistics the political situation demanded. The number out of China are meaningless. At the very least, you can add two or three zeros to the death toll. This would push China to the right of the U.S. on this meaningless graph.

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Somewhat related thought: I noticed the recent videos coming out of Shanghai China of the lockdown and isolation of their citizens. The latest videos out of China remind me very much of the Jan 2020 videos that came out of Wuhan China. In 2020, I think China was surprised when Italy actually locked down and China was even more surprised when the US locked down for 15 days (which turned into 15 months!). The lockdowns kept the prices of chinese-made goods high and demand for computers and electronics high. Lockdowns are good for China. I think this is all theatre and China wouldn't let these videos out if they didn't want the world to see them. You don't see videos of Uyghurs' concentration camps or torture chambers, do you? It's been estimated that 1M Uyghurs have been sent to internment camps for "political reeducation", forced sterilization, and forced labor. 1M oppressed people yet NO videos. Yet, we see covid lockdown videos coming out of China. It's all by design. China is playing chess and we're the pawns.

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Where does India show up?

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Their deaths per capita are much lower than U.S. or Europe, but higher than South Korea or Japan. Not sure about economic data, but probably not too bad.

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78 per cent of covid deaths in the US attributed to obesity. Fauci in charge.

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Agree with this as well (see below). I am guessing, and I agree with Alex we don't have enough data, that there will be a correlation between countries with low incidence of obesity and type II diabetes driven hypertension and how well they fared. When I was in the Far East I did not see much obesity, but that's anecdotal.

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May 3, 2022·edited May 3, 2022

My best friend traveled the world before covid hit and he told me you just don't see obese people the way you do in the USA in these other countries.

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Especially Asian countries

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I agree the data is useless particularly considering how many gunshot and car accidents were considered Covid deaths in the U. S. as well as the financial incentives for doctors and hospitals to lie and call any death as a Covid death. Then we have the "I hear nothing I see nothing" Chinese reporting that is far from data. The only data I believe is that the wife and I took IVM every week and still do and generally followed the FLCCC protocol AND we have had no Covid. We are in our 70s and have been very active going every where without masks except the doctor's office that requires a mask. Once inside the exam room we wear it usefully around the chin for jaw support. And we are not Asian. Now that is a real data point.

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If you're healthy and of an ideal weight, you likely don't have to worry about covid, even if you're up in your years.

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Jaw support 🤣😂

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We do not know how many people died...FROM covid, WITH covid, or because of the RESPONSE to covid.

Two weeks ago today, a friend's brother took his life. He was 56 years old.

He was mentally ill. He was an alcoholic.

BUT before covid, he regularly attended AA meetings; he was regularly meeting with his therapist. He had a small circle of friends. He was regularly eating nutritious food that he prepared himself.

Then the lockdowns. We're reasonably sure he did not start drinking. But there were no AA meetings; he missed many appointments with his therapist; he stayed at home and sometimes ordered junk food to eat.

He isolated himself. Being told to stay inside--being frightened--exacerbated his mental illness.

He never tested positive for covid; he never had symptoms of covid.

My friend told me today, "As far as I'm concerned, my brother died of covid."

So? Do we have a category for THIS death?

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May 3, 2022·edited May 3, 2022

There was an hbo documentary I watched six months ago. It was about criminals that was originally started in 1986. A drug addicted woman was on there who was a prostitute, I shook my head because I figured she was a lost cause. She ended up getting clean and helping tons of other addicts. She ended up relapsing when covid hit because there was no aa meetings. I was so pissed off watching it. She died.

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How many cases like this?

Remember how doctors & hospitals were zealous about claiming "covid deaths" when there was extra money for it.

BUT...will they count these kinds of deaths as "covid?"

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Point taken on Sweden. But I have to admit it pains me to see totalitarian Australia doing so well there on the top left.

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If their government is willing to sacrifice their own people, isn’t it possible they fudged their numbers?

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Oh yes Australia I saw that too .. I guess we will never hear the end of them lecturing the world on how well they dealt w/ CoVid. 🤐

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I wish I had a crystal ball and can see where AU is in terms of deaths in a couple years. They had a small spike, then another, but it was on the downward trend last I checked. I wonder if they'll see the surges, but just delayed compared to the rest of the world, in time. In other words, did they really avoid the deaths or are they still a'comin'?

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Island countries that avoided covid, eventually see the spike in deaths and major infection rates. They're just delaying the inevitable. Also, I'd rather risk death than live under the thumb of tyranny.

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We treasure " Live Free or Die ".

I guess Australia treasures " Live, no matter the circumstances ". 🤔

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One of my favorite comments from all the videos I've watched concerning covid-19 is: "There's more to life than not dying."

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It is obvious that lockdowns did more harm than good. How could this not be intentional? The global implementation of policies that have so much clear and obvious collateral damage can only mean that it was a purposeful disruption to both the economies and quality of life for the world's citizens.

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China needed the rest of the world to slow down with them due to tariffs.

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