Alex, what I don't understand is why so many Jews continue to support these things?
They are literally persecuting Jewish students on these campuses....and OTHER Jews seem to be OK with it.
I'm old and not Jewish....none of it makes sense to me. Israel's reaction to 10/7 made perfect sense.
Also Hamas KNEW Israel would respond this way....they were COUNTING on it. The leaders sit in Qatar or Dubai or wherever and sacrifice their own people....they are monsters.
As a Jew with a Jewish family, many members of whom semi or fully support the protests and are near rabidly anti-Israel, I can speak about my experience. The ages of those I am speaking of range from 30 to 93. First of all, they are vote blue no matter who Democrats. But beyond that, they have long bought into the oppressed/oppressor narrative (believe me, it's a Jewish thing to root for the underdog, this has taken it to the logical end). They also supported the BLM riots and made all sorts of excuses for that. They were also Covid neurotics. (I don't know how this all connects, but it seems to.) As one family member explained, he is anti-Israel because they treat the Palestinians just like the US treats black people. Go figure. You are asking a question that has no logical answer.
Thanks for this. Your first-hand knowledge is valuable. As a Christian I feel a Biblical obligation to support Israel and the Jewish people. Is it just a habit to be a liberal? Where is the independent thinking? You are right, it is illogical.
Please forgive me, but that sounds as people with suicidal tendecies. This stance with the enemy is equally dangerous as the passion for experimental-vaccines-addiction. Thank you for the revelation of Jewish people support for democrats. It has been enegmaticly inexplicable to me.
I heard the term "narcissistic altruism". It's a strategic decision to root for the underdog. It makes no difference who the alleged underdog is or if you're helping; the goal is to prop up your ego and self worth. We call it "virtue signaling" but that sounds like something one does occassionally, and it's much more than that. For many, it's the basis of their personality and life goals.
What non-Jews need to understand that "Jews" is not a uniform body. Just like Christians and other groups, they have various attitudes and hold various beliefs. According to Judaism there are four types of Jews which are represented by four sons mentioned in Passover service. (You might want to look it up). When some one says "Jews did this or do that", the question should be asked "which Jews"? When hard line Christians say "Jews killed Jesus", for example, it doesn't mean that 10 million Jews of Roman Empire were there doing the killing. Most of them didn't know what was going on in Jerusalem that day. Internet wasn't invented yet. When few Roman legionaries were poking his body with spears, no one accused all Italians murdering him. Right?
Judaism is a religion not a race or a country. That's a fact.
When assimilated Jews have absolutely no connection to Judaism they're people with a title.
Unfortunately assimilated Jews are no different than American born Norwegians. They're Americans that might or might not do or say something to remind themselves or others that they're something other than just a plain Jane American.
Would it make a diffrenece when someone points out that no matter how 'assimilated' they are, their persecution and hatred will be galactically graver than Norwegians'. And at this stage, it is trascendental.
I'm Orthodox Jewish, I look very Jewish, Beard sidelocks and all.
I live in a very Orthodox community. I've been called every name in the book, harassed and spat on. An American couple with 2 kids named Hillary or Harry Jones will never be suspected of being Jewish unless they offer up that tidbit of information. Even if their last name is Schwartz, unless the people they interact with know their last name they won't be identified as Jews based on how they look. So please forgive me if I'm a bit skeptical of Alot of the so called persecution experienced by assimilated Jews. That idiot girl with the Jewish name that Alex was referring to doesn't come across to me as a someone that experienced real hate let alone persecution.
An assimilated Jew (who also hides their Jewishness) might not face persecution in America today but that same assimilated Jew in Europe during the 3rd Reich was unable to avoid such a fate.
Not yet... that assimilated Jew has not faced the atrocities unleashed in Europe/Israel. However, they ARE suppoting the forces seeking their demise, being hateful democrats or protestors. No doubt, their willful ignorance will accelerate their suffering and demise. "Fool me once...
That's our history. In 1933, totally secularized and more often than not intermarried Jews were dumbfounded when when Hitler informed them that they're Jews after all. The Judenratt also thought they'd be spared by the compliant enforcement arm of the Gestapo. Last but not least, the hardest hit Kibbutzim were all well known peacenicks. They had many of their murderers in their homes as workers or guests, they were under the same false illusion.
Interesting perspective. Pray to me right and not delusional. The present government IS allowing current event, augmenting them (mass influx of radical haters) and missleading. So far, I've seen NO ONE from fed/local gov protecting students.
Prior to Oct 07, Israelis themselves were deeply divided on the Palestinian question. And for them, it’s an existential question. Certainly they are less divided post Oct 7th but even now, divisions remain.
They are divided because they are a free nation. Because whichever coalition government enjoys power at any given time, there will be an opposition press to oppose them. Israelis change their government more often that I buy shoes.
Most disagree on this issue because they are stubbornly independent thinkers. Others are likely guided by religion.
If Israelis can disagree, why would it surprise anyone to see Jewish citizens in the States at odds?
Most people want a better life for the so called Palestinians. The debate revolves around the path to that outcome don’t you agree?
Of course anyone supporting these artificially manufactured protest would be wrong. I can say this with confidence because I am reading and listening to what Hamas is saying.
“If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel.” -- Golda Meir
I did not realize I had somehow stumbled into a time machine and been transported back to 1930's Germany. Doesn't matter what supposed rationale these criminals offer up for their "protests" -- this is simply age-old Jew hatred. I'm sickened.
This is Dennis Prager’s contention — death to Israel is tantamount to death to America is a call to Death for the West.
Not that a single one of these “nitwits” as Alex says has probably any first hand experience of living in an Islamic state which, presumably, is the alternative.
…or one alternative, the other being Marxist-Communist states [or quasi versions]. All aboard for Albania, Cuba, China, Laos, North Korea, Vietnam and suchlike…
You might be right. Certainly various strains of evil can converge. I tend to look for the most straightforward, least complex explanation for things first. All I know is these protests couldn't gain the steam they seem to be gaining if they weren't built upon a foundation of underlying hatred of Jews on the part of many -- and on indifference to that hatred on the part of many others.
This is George Floyd II orchestrated and paid for by the Democrat Part through bail out funds for arrested protestors (Paid activists) and Fed Funds given to NGOs. George Floyd I 2020 an election year and George Floyd II 2024 an election year. Are you dumb enough to get sucked into this charade?
We should now expect some type of anarchy and chaos every election year. All of these protests are far too coordinated to be organic, but for what purpose? I could see the purpose if a Republican were in office as a way to make their administration look weak, but in this case I don't know what the purpose is other than general chaos.
Hard to tell the motivation. The three minute teleprompter could well have been the dog whistle to the rioters that "this ain't working like we thought it would". Sometimes the second episodes of created crisis fail. In that case the initiators of the crisis go looking for the safe exit. As a manufactured crisis don't be surprised if the paid activists fold tent and disappear quickly and Slo Jo will claim credit for solving the crisis he and the Democrats created thereby securing many votes of the weak minded. Another purpose might be to threaten people that they will have riots and their businesses destroyed if they don't vote blue. To understand their motives I think it requires thinking like thugs or the Mafia which I am not very qualified to do.
I wonder if the boy toy in the keyiffeh scarf behind her with the belly button showing knows that if he showed up in Yemen or Iraq like that he would promptly be taken to the nearest 18 story building and thrown off the penthouse?
There's a wonderful short video on X that is linked from Citizen Free Press. It shows groups of pro-Israel and pro-Hamas protesters facing off on campus at the University of Alabama. Some group of people on the pro-Israel side start chanting F... Joe Biden! After a few choruses, the kids on the pro-Hamas side start replying F... Joe Biden!
It pretty much sums up where Joe and democrats find themselves with this situation.
I haven't smiled in a while and that vignette made me smile. I'm 76 and while it is not lady like, I might have joined in on that chant from the side lines. Can't stand him, his face, his voice, anything he does, anything he says. He deserves the creepy criminal ICK award...
Wouldn’t it be interesting to explore who King-Slutzky’s parents are? We like to blame the professor indoctrination, but I have to think this level of crazy runs deep back to the cradle.
I live in the city that had a mass shooting in a synagogue. There was so much support for the victims and their families. Of course following that, massive demonstrations against anti-Semitic behavior (justifiable). Now, just a few short years later, the same noodle heads who protested any-Semitic behavior, are protesting against Israel. My 34 year old card carrying liberal protesting daughter was caught in a bind when I told her ‘Israel has one of the strongest militaries in the world. Why did Hamas feel it was OK to walk into the room and punch the biggest guy in the face’. I don’t know a-lot about the detailed history of the area, however, I know what Hamas did to the Israeli hostages, should have brought the wrath of the world upon their shoulders. But sadly, all they got for support was crickets. The little snots have no clue unless they were spoon fed by elitist professors, or saw it on Instagram or Tik Tok. Oh yeah, and getting “more” followers as they use their capitalist obtained smart phones to document their idiocy.
I disagree. These people don't represent no one. They also represent a lot of comfortable, well-to-do, strangely largely-white suburban and urban "liberals". They all have fashionable attitudes about how "no human is illegal", they all hate religion or "don't really believe in it", "of course [they] don't like Trump" blah, blah, blah.
They all want to take our guns. Yet, they whine when they can't feed themselves for 3 days. They all (mostly) can't even change a tire.
But they're "open-minded" and of course they alll "care about the Palestinean people".
These people "have no bottom" as the English used to say.
Why do we have to keep repeating this?: **Hamas (not the IDF, which many military analysts say uses the most moral tactics in history) has killed too many civilians** by building schools, msoques and hospitals on top of a network of tunnels, used only by Hamas leaders and soldiers, for the purpose of waging their hopeless war against Israel. As someone clever once said, "Hamas will fight Israel down to the last Palestinian civilian."
What we're seeing here is just the last development of a long standing disintegration of 'higher education' into Soviet style indoctrination. It is time for broader acceptance for the fact that the apparently 'best rated' colleges have ceased to be thought leaders in any respect.
cannot help but think of the irony of Brick In The Wall lyrics: “We don’t need no thought control…” These protestors are zombie-like, as if under the spell of wicked mind manipulation.
Israel is literally murdering thousands of civilians in Gaza as we speak, using AI and drones to do it. The Guardian and others have reported on this extensively, with Israeli operatives sharing details of Lavender, The Gospel, and Where's Daddy AI targeting programs that received literally 20 seconds of human review for each "target" simply to ensure they were male in many cases. Israeli intelligence operatives shared that it was Israel's intentional policy to target these "Hamas" operatives in their homes in order to maximize damage to civilians. This is funded with MY tax dollars and YOURS. And you write this tripe about protests when Israel is committing genocide as fast as they can? YOU are part of the problem. And YOU are weakening Israel with your omissions b/c surely this genocidal campaign will backfire on Israel and already is.
uh huh...who started this war? who uses its children as suicide bombers and human shields? Who puts its rocket launchers in schools, homes, mosques, and hospitals, so the IDF (which has a moral responsibility to its own citizens) is forced to attempt to protect even as it attempts to destroy those rocket launchers?
Which side has scarfed up billions in foreign aid intended for **civilian infrastructure** (like maybe a few bomb shelters?) and built an underground terror city, for the sole use of Hamas management and soldiers? Who could END THIS WAR anytime by surrendering? What would it lose by surrendering except to have to (probably temporarily) give up its goal of occupation "from the river to the sea"?
Yeah, what Stephanie said! I learned that a Jewish American donated millions to the Palestinians in Gaza some years ago to help them build their economy. Hamas appropriated everything and left their people to live in squalor. The blood of dead Gazans is on the hands of Hamas, not Israel, who has shown amazing restraint and extreme care not to kill civilians.
In 2005 Israel ordered all the Israelis who were living in the Gaza Strip to leave because Hamas had promised peace and prosperity for all if they were left alone as sole governors of the area. (One of the biggest skeptics was Bibi Netanyahu who said Gaza would just turn into "Hamasistan.) Nevertheless, the Knesset voted for "disengagement" and Israeli citizens who didn't leave their homes voluntarily were pulled out forcibly by police.
It cost the government of Israel millions of dollars and social unrest, when people saw fellow citizens being dragged kicking and screaming out of homes and farms they'd built for years. The Israeli farmers left behind high tech, top-of-the-line greenhouses (it's not easy to move a greenhouse, right?) It was assumed that Gazans could use them. Wrong, Hamas basically wants civilians to be miserable, so they stay angry, so their hate can be directed against Israel. Within hours of the Israeli evacuation Hamas had burned the greenhouses down.
That's just one of many examples of Hamas's brutal rule. The biggest recent example, of course, is that ordinary folks aren't allowed to use the tunnel system as underground bomb shelters. That's just for Hamas bigshots. Israel has an extensive system of neighborhood bomb shelters which helped them survive the recent Iranian onslaught and the near daily bombardment of Israeli homes in the North by Hezbollah. Hamas, which pockets billions in foreign aid, has built their population NOTHING. Dead civilians are way too useful. It's what Alan Dershowitz called "the dead baby strategy."
In 1948, when the nation of Israel was restored, there were 157,000 Arabs living in Israel. Now there are over one million. The population of the West Bank and Gaza has increased by fivefold since the end of the 2nd Arab war against Israel in 1967. If the nation of Israel is intending the destruction of the Palestinians, they’re doing an awful job of it.
Wake up, Tam. Hamas, Hezbollah, etc. hate Israel and the West because of their religion of HATE. It is religion directed by the Father of Lies. All religion that seeks to kill others because they won't bow to the Haters and convert to what ever evil hat the haters wear are against the True God of the Universe. They are already beaten because Christ Jesus rose from death after giving His sinless self as the perfect sacrifice. The victory is won and all who call Him Lord and trust in His shed blood are the victors.
Stephanie is right on and all who see this garbage as the lead up to much much more Chaos are looking beyond the muddy waters at the bloody waters and what's to come. Great discussion, Brothers and Sisters. Listen and think about everything you read and hear. Do not be deceived, for greater deception is on the way, and ageless Master deceivers are among us. God bless your good minds!
There's a lot I could say to this extremely ignorant comment but I'll limit it to two things: 1) history didn't begin on Oct 7. I didn't support and don't support Hamas's attack but it is part of a long war between two groups, one of which was indigenous and one of which consists primarily (like massively primarily) of non-indigenous Jews patriating the spiritual homeland of Judaism. The large % of Gaza's population consists of Palestinians driven from their land in the Nakba in 1948, after Israel declared itself a state and went on a murderous rampage (don't believve me, read Benny Morris's history of the 1948 war, and he's Israel's almost official historian). Netanyahu's explicit and publicly-stated goal is to permanently occupy and annex the West Bank and now apparently Gaza too -- so which side is implementing "from the river to the sea"? (this is expliicitly a Jewish settler slogan) 2) what do you think the tunnels are if not bomb shelters? If you were Palestinian, how would you fight back against a massively more powerful force stealing your land and killing your people?
The people now called "Israelis"--though once referred to as "Jewish Palestinians" by the British who occupied a land mass called "Palestine--are as indigenous to the area as the people the British dubbed "Arab Palestinians."
Perhaps you've heard of a guy named "Jesus" who lived in the land with a bunch of other Jews (there was this guy named King David who left behind massive ruins which exist today) back, like, three thousand years ago? There was a continuous Jewish presence in the area at least since Jesus's time and Arab presence grew in the area as Jewish presence grew. I suppose you know all about the division of the land by the UN? Smart guy like you...ok, I'm going to assume you know it (LOL)
As part of my profession I've followed the history for 15 years and follow and write about it today. So, yes, I can tell you quite definitely that Gazans have no access to any sort of government (that would be Hamas) built bomb shelters. Dead civilians are too valuable to Hamas because useful idiots can be softened up for their general propaganda. Have fun! Hamas would be happy to kill you right along with the rest of Kafirs--even if you faithfully act as informal PR
The Jewish population was very small at the end of the 19th C. when modern Zionism was created. It grew steadily as Zionism grew and clashes began in earnest in Palestine starting in 1920 when the Palestinians were informed by British conquerors of the Balfour Declaration signed in 1917, then the British Mandate under the League of Nations, which adopted much the same language as the Balfour Declaration (both of which only mentioned Jews and ignored the massively larger indigenous Palestinian population). Of course, both groups have valid claims to the area, as you note, but it is not the case that there was a large Jewish population in Palestine until the first half of the 20th C. As you can imagine the indigenous population weren't exactly thrilled to have massive numbers of European Jews moving into their areas and steadily pushing them out, which was followed by overt and massive violence starting in the 1930s and 40s, culminating in the 1948 Nakba. I suggest you read Rashid Khalidi's book The Hundred Year War on Palestine if indeed it is your job to know this history.
The Nakba is referred to the Nakba (or disaster) because the Arab population which wouldn't accept the UN settlement (who wouldn't accept compromise, in other words, with the other indigenous population) started a war...then lost the war. So, sure it was a disaster. If you're going to start a war, make sure you're going to win it.
But the Arab population in the area was always very sparse (see for instance Mark Twain's travel diary) and it grew parallel (some say because of) the growing Jewish population. That Jewish population is about 50% Sephardic, as they were Arab Jews, refugees from Arab countries from which they were expelled. Modern Israel is still 20% ethnically Arab. But don't just read Khalidi, read some Martin Gilbert. Khalidi has one hell of an agenda. Gilbert, less so
The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob gave the Holy land to the Jewish people over 3000 years ago, They will be there when Jesus returns. It may be God's will that the non-believers are being exiled, He has done this before. It's a religious war, look at it that way.
Indigenous vs Colonizers, Occupiers vs Occupied, Oppressor vs. Oppressed. Keep the Marxist bullshit to yourself and go back to your little deconstruction of some kind of English literature class. We’ve seen this play out with Occupy, Keystone, BLM, etc. Why don’t you protest China and Uyghurs? That’s been going on for years too, but the CCP and Soros won’t fund that kind of protest.
because I don't PAY for China's oppression of the Uighurs. I am literally paying for Israel's brutal genocide of Gaza. But no more. I won't be paying federal income taxes until this changes. It's a pretty simple tenet of activism: put your own house in order before attempting to change others. Our unconditional and decade after decade support for Israel makes a mockery of literally every humanitarian or int'l law admonition against other countries like China, Burma, Turkey, etc.
Wearing Nikes, talking on the Apple phone, buying your stuff online or at Walmart - you sure are paying for China’s genocide of the Uyghurs. Jordan and Lebanon welcomed the Palestinians into their countries and look what happened - the PLO tried to overthrow both and now Lebanon is destroyed. Are you self employed? Going to stop mandatory withdrawal from your paycheck? Let us know how your tax protest goes; I’m sure the IRS will be very understanding. Just ask Wesley Snipes, that worked out well for him.
You must then be happy you’re paying for the slaughter of innocent Israelis and others by the likes of hamas, the Palestinians, the equally brutal animals to the north, Iran which is using these animals as its proxies in its war against Israel. Your mamma must be proud.
It’s interesting that the animals in Gaza, West Bank are the same animals kicked out of Jordan and not wanted by any other Arabic or Persian nation in the region.
From the River to the Sea: Israel shall be safe and free “Palestinians” should be forcibly removed to any other Arabic nation - say Qatar or those other animals on the west end of the Arabian peninsula where they can all live together.
uh, US doesn't pay Hamas to kill anyone. Israel does, however, as is well-known now after it came to light that Netanyahu arranged direct payments to Hamas for years as a way to fracture the Palestinians and claim there was no "partner for peace." And I love how you use dehumanizing language that makes your own racism very apparent.
Oh my goodness, Hamas get billions from UNWRA of which America is the biggest donor. Hamas is one of the biggest human rights violators on the planet. Are you really comfortable with a society which sanctions honor killings of women? and one which trains children to strap on remote detonated suicide bombs? And on 10/7 which shot women in the head while they were raping them and then, say, cut of breasts and played catch with them, beheaded babies, put babies in microwave ovens, tortured children to death in front of their parents and so on?
All of the millitary aid $ given to Israel is in a form of a grant, a chit, with mandates to spend the money on American-made arms in American arms companies like Lockheed and Raytheon. In other words, America gives the money right back to Americans
I don’t want to pay for 10 million illegals let into this country willy nilly by your lame excuse of a president & now WE’LL, you & me, get to pay for Palestinians that no Muslim country will allow into their country. Good luck not paying taxes…you probably just got your student loans paid off too.
And stop with this stealing your land bullshit these Islamists want you to believe. Do you know they play this fucking card everywhere? Look around the world. Apparently everyone stole their land. India stole Kashmire. Serbs stole Kosovo. Christians stole Syria...and so on. Meanwhile they sit on vast countries in the middle east that practically have ZERO human rights.
One day they will come to your house and say you stole the land from them. And you'll be a quivering POS. Recognize the game - if you have any intelligence.
You lose me when you add a 'but' to the atrocities of Oct 7th.
You know what-if there's a but to what happened on Oct 7th, then there is a 'but' to whatever is happening after. Yes its shameful so many Gazans are dying 'but'..
So stop with this nonsense.
Also answer me this -
1.Which country respects gay rights vs which one throws them off tall buildings (Israel. Palestine(or any of these Islamist nations))
2.Which country has made rapid scientific progress since its inception and contributed to many global wins and which one just wants us all to return to the 6th century style of living (Israel. Palestine(or their ilk)
3.Which country has allowed Arabs to live and work without discrimination within its borders vs which one has sworn to eliminate every Jew on earth? (Israel. Palestine)
4. Which country has offered a two state solution twice and which one wants freedom from 'the river to the sea' (Israel. Palestine)
I could go on and on - but thought this would be enough for you to realize who you are supporting. Palestine has always wanted the death of Israel and all Jews everywhere. They have said it openly. And if they had the power they would do it.
Israel HAS the power to wipe out Gaza. Right now. And they are not doing it.
Wow, Mr. Hunt, the shallowness of your knowledge is revealed by many things like your ignorance of the provenance of "from the river to the sea" (used by the PLO in the sixties) to this hilarious idea that Israel has a goal of "permanently occupying and annexing Gaza."
Dude, in the Six Day War the Egyptians (who at that time claimed the Strip) used the Gaza Strip as a staging area for their upcoming attack on Israel. During the Six Day War the IDF had to occupy the strip to drive the Egyptian army out. In the talks after the war on terms, the Israels tried to give the now-demilitarized Strip **back to Egypt** but Egypt wouldn't take it! And throughout this last Hamas/Israel go 'round Egypt has refused to take Gazan refugees--even temporarily! They've sealed their border up tight
So Israel became a reluctant administrator of this huge welfare population (UNWRA again) which seethes with anger at just about everybody (they hate the Palestinian Authority as well, by the way, and executed a coup on the PA government by throwing PA guys off buildings.)
Israel again tried to lose the Strip in 2005 in a deal with Hamas and the international community which promised Israel peace forever (where have we heard that before?) if the Strip became Judenrein. It cost millions of dollars and significant social division but Israel cleared every last settler from the Strip. At the time Netanyahu was skeptical; he said all they'd get was a "Hamasistan" on their Southern border. With the infiltration of ISIS and a newly emboldened Hamas, he was prescient
So you had no problem with such stuff as innocent civilian women having grenades pushed into the most private areas of their bodies before being beheaded, babies burned alive in their cribs and unimaginable and grotesque mutilation and murder of hundreds of innocent Israeli citizens.
Meanwhile
your beloved Gazan Palestinians:
were given Israeli homes with greenhouses so they could earn money
they promptly destroyed the green houses
they VOTED for Hamas
they were MISTREATED by Hamas who took all the money we sent to help them which was
USED BY HAMAS to build tunnels to attack Israel, and
they are ALWAYS used as human shields by Hamas so Israel gets blamed for casualties
they are unwelcome in every Arab country to be certain they create a problem for Israel
THESE SAME PEOPLE ALSO CHEERED WHEN THE SAVAGELY RAPED AND BEATEN ISRAELIS HAMAS CAPTURED WERE PARADED THROUGH THE STREETS OF GAZA
The Guardian is your source. Of course it is. The existential threat to Israel that is Hamas seems not to have registered in your brain.
Almost everything you wrote has been debunked and most things many months ago. As for The Guardian, that's not the source of the Israeli intelligence officials' insider info about these brutal AI targeting programs: it's Yuval Abraham, an Israeli Jewish journal who wrote a very long piece for +972 Magazine. I shared The Guardian piece b/c it's much shorter. Here's the long piece. https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/
What the f*** is "+972 Magazine? It sound like an impeccable source. NOT. A wise man once said, "the internet is like a bathroom wall; anyone can write anything on it." That's why you have to be scrupulous about checking out your sources and trying to find further confirmation of the claim outside of the source itself. So far you're batting a thousand: The Guardian (ROTFLMAO) and something called "+972 Magazine."
You want to read some debunking of the Guardian's journalistic methods and philosophy? I've dealt personally with many Guardian reporters and some of my conversations with them, as well as dissection of their "news" coverage is in my book "The Other War: Israelis, Palestinians, and the Struggle for Media Supremacy" (Encounter Books, New York, 2005) In terms of degree of bias, of agenda, of far-left monoculture (which includes a large helping of traditional British antisemitism) they are right up there with The Nation.
These "protesters" are the philosophical progeny of the leftists of the 1960s etc of which the NYT, WaPo etc are all adherents. Long term philosophical errors have consequences.
I believe these trouble makers should be arrested and forced to take the scholarships offered by the Iranian Government and forced to enroll at Iran U.
Alex, what I don't understand is why so many Jews continue to support these things?
They are literally persecuting Jewish students on these campuses....and OTHER Jews seem to be OK with it.
I'm old and not Jewish....none of it makes sense to me. Israel's reaction to 10/7 made perfect sense.
Also Hamas KNEW Israel would respond this way....they were COUNTING on it. The leaders sit in Qatar or Dubai or wherever and sacrifice their own people....they are monsters.
As a Jew with a Jewish family, many members of whom semi or fully support the protests and are near rabidly anti-Israel, I can speak about my experience. The ages of those I am speaking of range from 30 to 93. First of all, they are vote blue no matter who Democrats. But beyond that, they have long bought into the oppressed/oppressor narrative (believe me, it's a Jewish thing to root for the underdog, this has taken it to the logical end). They also supported the BLM riots and made all sorts of excuses for that. They were also Covid neurotics. (I don't know how this all connects, but it seems to.) As one family member explained, he is anti-Israel because they treat the Palestinians just like the US treats black people. Go figure. You are asking a question that has no logical answer.
Thanks for this. Your first-hand knowledge is valuable. As a Christian I feel a Biblical obligation to support Israel and the Jewish people. Is it just a habit to be a liberal? Where is the independent thinking? You are right, it is illogical.
Your last sentence had the answer. They are not thinking logically. It’s all emotion and feelings.
Wow, now I understand why so many Jews would vote for Biden. They simply don’t love Israel. How sad.
Please forgive me, but that sounds as people with suicidal tendecies. This stance with the enemy is equally dangerous as the passion for experimental-vaccines-addiction. Thank you for the revelation of Jewish people support for democrats. It has been enegmaticly inexplicable to me.
I heard the term "narcissistic altruism". It's a strategic decision to root for the underdog. It makes no difference who the alleged underdog is or if you're helping; the goal is to prop up your ego and self worth. We call it "virtue signaling" but that sounds like something one does occassionally, and it's much more than that. For many, it's the basis of their personality and life goals.
Since they are anti Israel they should move to Iran. Honestly, I think the dedication to the Democrat party is motivated by money flow.
What non-Jews need to understand that "Jews" is not a uniform body. Just like Christians and other groups, they have various attitudes and hold various beliefs. According to Judaism there are four types of Jews which are represented by four sons mentioned in Passover service. (You might want to look it up). When some one says "Jews did this or do that", the question should be asked "which Jews"? When hard line Christians say "Jews killed Jesus", for example, it doesn't mean that 10 million Jews of Roman Empire were there doing the killing. Most of them didn't know what was going on in Jerusalem that day. Internet wasn't invented yet. When few Roman legionaries were poking his body with spears, no one accused all Italians murdering him. Right?
Judaism is a religion not a race or a country. That's a fact.
When assimilated Jews have absolutely no connection to Judaism they're people with a title.
Unfortunately assimilated Jews are no different than American born Norwegians. They're Americans that might or might not do or say something to remind themselves or others that they're something other than just a plain Jane American.
Would it make a diffrenece when someone points out that no matter how 'assimilated' they are, their persecution and hatred will be galactically graver than Norwegians'. And at this stage, it is trascendental.
I'm Orthodox Jewish, I look very Jewish, Beard sidelocks and all.
I live in a very Orthodox community. I've been called every name in the book, harassed and spat on. An American couple with 2 kids named Hillary or Harry Jones will never be suspected of being Jewish unless they offer up that tidbit of information. Even if their last name is Schwartz, unless the people they interact with know their last name they won't be identified as Jews based on how they look. So please forgive me if I'm a bit skeptical of Alot of the so called persecution experienced by assimilated Jews. That idiot girl with the Jewish name that Alex was referring to doesn't come across to me as a someone that experienced real hate let alone persecution.
An assimilated Jew (who also hides their Jewishness) might not face persecution in America today but that same assimilated Jew in Europe during the 3rd Reich was unable to avoid such a fate.
Not yet... that assimilated Jew has not faced the atrocities unleashed in Europe/Israel. However, they ARE suppoting the forces seeking their demise, being hateful democrats or protestors. No doubt, their willful ignorance will accelerate their suffering and demise. "Fool me once...
That's our history. In 1933, totally secularized and more often than not intermarried Jews were dumbfounded when when Hitler informed them that they're Jews after all. The Judenratt also thought they'd be spared by the compliant enforcement arm of the Gestapo. Last but not least, the hardest hit Kibbutzim were all well known peacenicks. They had many of their murderers in their homes as workers or guests, they were under the same false illusion.
Yup, “….shame on me”
Very true. But at the moment (and yes I'm afraid this might change, the far right and far left have found common ground, antisemitism.)
Jews in this country are blessed to have a government that at least gives lip service to fighting antisemitism.
Who is this "far right" you speak of?
I may be considered "far right" but I'll fight for Israel every single day of the year. The Hamas thugs are evil and must be eliminated.
Interesting perspective. Pray to me right and not delusional. The present government IS allowing current event, augmenting them (mass influx of radical haters) and missleading. So far, I've seen NO ONE from fed/local gov protecting students.
I saw this on a sign -" Free Palestine from Hamas" - perfect.
Prior to Oct 07, Israelis themselves were deeply divided on the Palestinian question. And for them, it’s an existential question. Certainly they are less divided post Oct 7th but even now, divisions remain.
They are divided because they are a free nation. Because whichever coalition government enjoys power at any given time, there will be an opposition press to oppose them. Israelis change their government more often that I buy shoes.
Most disagree on this issue because they are stubbornly independent thinkers. Others are likely guided by religion.
If Israelis can disagree, why would it surprise anyone to see Jewish citizens in the States at odds?
Most people want a better life for the so called Palestinians. The debate revolves around the path to that outcome don’t you agree?
Of course anyone supporting these artificially manufactured protest would be wrong. I can say this with confidence because I am reading and listening to what Hamas is saying.
The duty now lies in persuasion.
“If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel.” -- Golda Meir
I did not realize I had somehow stumbled into a time machine and been transported back to 1930's Germany. Doesn't matter what supposed rationale these criminals offer up for their "protests" -- this is simply age-old Jew hatred. I'm sickened.
It's more than that this time. It's a dry run on uprising to destroy the West and Western values. The college students are just useful idiots.
This is Dennis Prager’s contention — death to Israel is tantamount to death to America is a call to Death for the West.
Not that a single one of these “nitwits” as Alex says has probably any first hand experience of living in an Islamic state which, presumably, is the alternative.
…or one alternative, the other being Marxist-Communist states [or quasi versions]. All aboard for Albania, Cuba, China, Laos, North Korea, Vietnam and suchlike…
BINGO
You might be right. Certainly various strains of evil can converge. I tend to look for the most straightforward, least complex explanation for things first. All I know is these protests couldn't gain the steam they seem to be gaining if they weren't built upon a foundation of underlying hatred of Jews on the part of many -- and on indifference to that hatred on the part of many others.
I agree Jew hatred is fuel for the fire.
There it is
Never again is happening again
It happens a lot. Sadly
The other period in history I hope would never happen again took place in 1917, and I’m also worried about that one, also.
This is George Floyd II orchestrated and paid for by the Democrat Part through bail out funds for arrested protestors (Paid activists) and Fed Funds given to NGOs. George Floyd I 2020 an election year and George Floyd II 2024 an election year. Are you dumb enough to get sucked into this charade?
Correct. This is a dry run on anarchy with college students as useful idiots.
Exactly this! In addition, George Soros is funding these agitators and as always, people are falling for it.
We should now expect some type of anarchy and chaos every election year. All of these protests are far too coordinated to be organic, but for what purpose? I could see the purpose if a Republican were in office as a way to make their administration look weak, but in this case I don't know what the purpose is other than general chaos.
Hard to tell the motivation. The three minute teleprompter could well have been the dog whistle to the rioters that "this ain't working like we thought it would". Sometimes the second episodes of created crisis fail. In that case the initiators of the crisis go looking for the safe exit. As a manufactured crisis don't be surprised if the paid activists fold tent and disappear quickly and Slo Jo will claim credit for solving the crisis he and the Democrats created thereby securing many votes of the weak minded. Another purpose might be to threaten people that they will have riots and their businesses destroyed if they don't vote blue. To understand their motives I think it requires thinking like thugs or the Mafia which I am not very qualified to do.
I wonder if the boy toy in the keyiffeh scarf behind her with the belly button showing knows that if he showed up in Yemen or Iraq like that he would promptly be taken to the nearest 18 story building and thrown off the penthouse?
These people really need to grow up.
Head first
There's a wonderful short video on X that is linked from Citizen Free Press. It shows groups of pro-Israel and pro-Hamas protesters facing off on campus at the University of Alabama. Some group of people on the pro-Israel side start chanting F... Joe Biden! After a few choruses, the kids on the pro-Hamas side start replying F... Joe Biden!
It pretty much sums up where Joe and democrats find themselves with this situation.
I haven't smiled in a while and that vignette made me smile. I'm 76 and while it is not lady like, I might have joined in on that chant from the side lines. Can't stand him, his face, his voice, anything he does, anything he says. He deserves the creepy criminal ICK award...
Wouldn’t it be interesting to explore who King-Slutzky’s parents are? We like to blame the professor indoctrination, but I have to think this level of crazy runs deep back to the cradle.
Thanks Carl. I wrote my comment before I saw yours. Great minds think alike😂
I live in the city that had a mass shooting in a synagogue. There was so much support for the victims and their families. Of course following that, massive demonstrations against anti-Semitic behavior (justifiable). Now, just a few short years later, the same noodle heads who protested any-Semitic behavior, are protesting against Israel. My 34 year old card carrying liberal protesting daughter was caught in a bind when I told her ‘Israel has one of the strongest militaries in the world. Why did Hamas feel it was OK to walk into the room and punch the biggest guy in the face’. I don’t know a-lot about the detailed history of the area, however, I know what Hamas did to the Israeli hostages, should have brought the wrath of the world upon their shoulders. But sadly, all they got for support was crickets. The little snots have no clue unless they were spoon fed by elitist professors, or saw it on Instagram or Tik Tok. Oh yeah, and getting “more” followers as they use their capitalist obtained smart phones to document their idiocy.
I disagree. These people don't represent no one. They also represent a lot of comfortable, well-to-do, strangely largely-white suburban and urban "liberals". They all have fashionable attitudes about how "no human is illegal", they all hate religion or "don't really believe in it", "of course [they] don't like Trump" blah, blah, blah.
They all want to take our guns. Yet, they whine when they can't feed themselves for 3 days. They all (mostly) can't even change a tire.
But they're "open-minded" and of course they alll "care about the Palestinean people".
These people "have no bottom" as the English used to say.
A resistance that requests sugar free ketchup & hot lunch seems pretty easy to overthrow but hey I’m not a university pres making six figures
Well...I mean...it wouldn't be a revolution if you weren't able to order quinoa and kale and have it delivered!
Heard Northwestern in Evanston is giving the Hamas supporting protestors there $2 million + in some sort of negotiation...WTF!
LMAOists
Well played
Why do we have to keep repeating this?: **Hamas (not the IDF, which many military analysts say uses the most moral tactics in history) has killed too many civilians** by building schools, msoques and hospitals on top of a network of tunnels, used only by Hamas leaders and soldiers, for the purpose of waging their hopeless war against Israel. As someone clever once said, "Hamas will fight Israel down to the last Palestinian civilian."
When the left has destroyed the Constitutional concept of liberty, limited government and private property, what do you expect?
GULAGS
Put together a long post highlighting the lunacy at these protest encampments across the country:
https://www.euphoricrecall.net/p/the-lunacy-at-pro-palestine-campus
Peak exhibitionistic activism. Peak narcissism.
What we're seeing here is just the last development of a long standing disintegration of 'higher education' into Soviet style indoctrination. It is time for broader acceptance for the fact that the apparently 'best rated' colleges have ceased to be thought leaders in any respect.
https://open.substack.com/pub/wildhorsewisdom/p/making-the-grade?r=uhcpo&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
cannot help but think of the irony of Brick In The Wall lyrics: “We don’t need no thought control…” These protestors are zombie-like, as if under the spell of wicked mind manipulation.
Israel is literally murdering thousands of civilians in Gaza as we speak, using AI and drones to do it. The Guardian and others have reported on this extensively, with Israeli operatives sharing details of Lavender, The Gospel, and Where's Daddy AI targeting programs that received literally 20 seconds of human review for each "target" simply to ensure they were male in many cases. Israeli intelligence operatives shared that it was Israel's intentional policy to target these "Hamas" operatives in their homes in order to maximize damage to civilians. This is funded with MY tax dollars and YOURS. And you write this tripe about protests when Israel is committing genocide as fast as they can? YOU are part of the problem. And YOU are weakening Israel with your omissions b/c surely this genocidal campaign will backfire on Israel and already is.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/03/israel-gaza-ai-database-hamas-airstrikes?ref=lite.verity.news&trk=public_post_comment-text
uh huh...who started this war? who uses its children as suicide bombers and human shields? Who puts its rocket launchers in schools, homes, mosques, and hospitals, so the IDF (which has a moral responsibility to its own citizens) is forced to attempt to protect even as it attempts to destroy those rocket launchers?
Which side has scarfed up billions in foreign aid intended for **civilian infrastructure** (like maybe a few bomb shelters?) and built an underground terror city, for the sole use of Hamas management and soldiers? Who could END THIS WAR anytime by surrendering? What would it lose by surrendering except to have to (probably temporarily) give up its goal of occupation "from the river to the sea"?
Yeah, what Stephanie said! I learned that a Jewish American donated millions to the Palestinians in Gaza some years ago to help them build their economy. Hamas appropriated everything and left their people to live in squalor. The blood of dead Gazans is on the hands of Hamas, not Israel, who has shown amazing restraint and extreme care not to kill civilians.
In 2005 Israel ordered all the Israelis who were living in the Gaza Strip to leave because Hamas had promised peace and prosperity for all if they were left alone as sole governors of the area. (One of the biggest skeptics was Bibi Netanyahu who said Gaza would just turn into "Hamasistan.) Nevertheless, the Knesset voted for "disengagement" and Israeli citizens who didn't leave their homes voluntarily were pulled out forcibly by police.
It cost the government of Israel millions of dollars and social unrest, when people saw fellow citizens being dragged kicking and screaming out of homes and farms they'd built for years. The Israeli farmers left behind high tech, top-of-the-line greenhouses (it's not easy to move a greenhouse, right?) It was assumed that Gazans could use them. Wrong, Hamas basically wants civilians to be miserable, so they stay angry, so their hate can be directed against Israel. Within hours of the Israeli evacuation Hamas had burned the greenhouses down.
That's just one of many examples of Hamas's brutal rule. The biggest recent example, of course, is that ordinary folks aren't allowed to use the tunnel system as underground bomb shelters. That's just for Hamas bigshots. Israel has an extensive system of neighborhood bomb shelters which helped them survive the recent Iranian onslaught and the near daily bombardment of Israeli homes in the North by Hezbollah. Hamas, which pockets billions in foreign aid, has built their population NOTHING. Dead civilians are way too useful. It's what Alan Dershowitz called "the dead baby strategy."
Restraint? Restraint? Please read this article. Israel has been explicitly targeting Palestinians in their homes with 1,000 pound and 2,000 pound bombs, allowing up to 100 to 1 "collateral damage" in order to hit perceived Hamas targets. The only thing they have been restrained about is not using nukes in Gaza (yet). https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/03/israel-gaza-ai-database-hamas-airstrikes?ref=lite.verity.news&trk=public_post_comment-text
In 1948, when the nation of Israel was restored, there were 157,000 Arabs living in Israel. Now there are over one million. The population of the West Bank and Gaza has increased by fivefold since the end of the 2nd Arab war against Israel in 1967. If the nation of Israel is intending the destruction of the Palestinians, they’re doing an awful job of it.
Wake up, Tam. Hamas, Hezbollah, etc. hate Israel and the West because of their religion of HATE. It is religion directed by the Father of Lies. All religion that seeks to kill others because they won't bow to the Haters and convert to what ever evil hat the haters wear are against the True God of the Universe. They are already beaten because Christ Jesus rose from death after giving His sinless self as the perfect sacrifice. The victory is won and all who call Him Lord and trust in His shed blood are the victors.
Stephanie is right on and all who see this garbage as the lead up to much much more Chaos are looking beyond the muddy waters at the bloody waters and what's to come. Great discussion, Brothers and Sisters. Listen and think about everything you read and hear. Do not be deceived, for greater deception is on the way, and ageless Master deceivers are among us. God bless your good minds!
ok, so you're also suggesting that Jesus and God Himself support this particular genocide of the Gazan people?
There's a lot I could say to this extremely ignorant comment but I'll limit it to two things: 1) history didn't begin on Oct 7. I didn't support and don't support Hamas's attack but it is part of a long war between two groups, one of which was indigenous and one of which consists primarily (like massively primarily) of non-indigenous Jews patriating the spiritual homeland of Judaism. The large % of Gaza's population consists of Palestinians driven from their land in the Nakba in 1948, after Israel declared itself a state and went on a murderous rampage (don't believve me, read Benny Morris's history of the 1948 war, and he's Israel's almost official historian). Netanyahu's explicit and publicly-stated goal is to permanently occupy and annex the West Bank and now apparently Gaza too -- so which side is implementing "from the river to the sea"? (this is expliicitly a Jewish settler slogan) 2) what do you think the tunnels are if not bomb shelters? If you were Palestinian, how would you fight back against a massively more powerful force stealing your land and killing your people?
The people now called "Israelis"--though once referred to as "Jewish Palestinians" by the British who occupied a land mass called "Palestine--are as indigenous to the area as the people the British dubbed "Arab Palestinians."
Perhaps you've heard of a guy named "Jesus" who lived in the land with a bunch of other Jews (there was this guy named King David who left behind massive ruins which exist today) back, like, three thousand years ago? There was a continuous Jewish presence in the area at least since Jesus's time and Arab presence grew in the area as Jewish presence grew. I suppose you know all about the division of the land by the UN? Smart guy like you...ok, I'm going to assume you know it (LOL)
As part of my profession I've followed the history for 15 years and follow and write about it today. So, yes, I can tell you quite definitely that Gazans have no access to any sort of government (that would be Hamas) built bomb shelters. Dead civilians are too valuable to Hamas because useful idiots can be softened up for their general propaganda. Have fun! Hamas would be happy to kill you right along with the rest of Kafirs--even if you faithfully act as informal PR
The Jewish population was very small at the end of the 19th C. when modern Zionism was created. It grew steadily as Zionism grew and clashes began in earnest in Palestine starting in 1920 when the Palestinians were informed by British conquerors of the Balfour Declaration signed in 1917, then the British Mandate under the League of Nations, which adopted much the same language as the Balfour Declaration (both of which only mentioned Jews and ignored the massively larger indigenous Palestinian population). Of course, both groups have valid claims to the area, as you note, but it is not the case that there was a large Jewish population in Palestine until the first half of the 20th C. As you can imagine the indigenous population weren't exactly thrilled to have massive numbers of European Jews moving into their areas and steadily pushing them out, which was followed by overt and massive violence starting in the 1930s and 40s, culminating in the 1948 Nakba. I suggest you read Rashid Khalidi's book The Hundred Year War on Palestine if indeed it is your job to know this history.
The Nakba is referred to the Nakba (or disaster) because the Arab population which wouldn't accept the UN settlement (who wouldn't accept compromise, in other words, with the other indigenous population) started a war...then lost the war. So, sure it was a disaster. If you're going to start a war, make sure you're going to win it.
But the Arab population in the area was always very sparse (see for instance Mark Twain's travel diary) and it grew parallel (some say because of) the growing Jewish population. That Jewish population is about 50% Sephardic, as they were Arab Jews, refugees from Arab countries from which they were expelled. Modern Israel is still 20% ethnically Arab. But don't just read Khalidi, read some Martin Gilbert. Khalidi has one hell of an agenda. Gilbert, less so
The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob gave the Holy land to the Jewish people over 3000 years ago, They will be there when Jesus returns. It may be God's will that the non-believers are being exiled, He has done this before. It's a religious war, look at it that way.
ah, so your God supports genocide? That's not my God.
Indigenous vs Colonizers, Occupiers vs Occupied, Oppressor vs. Oppressed. Keep the Marxist bullshit to yourself and go back to your little deconstruction of some kind of English literature class. We’ve seen this play out with Occupy, Keystone, BLM, etc. Why don’t you protest China and Uyghurs? That’s been going on for years too, but the CCP and Soros won’t fund that kind of protest.
because I don't PAY for China's oppression of the Uighurs. I am literally paying for Israel's brutal genocide of Gaza. But no more. I won't be paying federal income taxes until this changes. It's a pretty simple tenet of activism: put your own house in order before attempting to change others. Our unconditional and decade after decade support for Israel makes a mockery of literally every humanitarian or int'l law admonition against other countries like China, Burma, Turkey, etc.
Wearing Nikes, talking on the Apple phone, buying your stuff online or at Walmart - you sure are paying for China’s genocide of the Uyghurs. Jordan and Lebanon welcomed the Palestinians into their countries and look what happened - the PLO tried to overthrow both and now Lebanon is destroyed. Are you self employed? Going to stop mandatory withdrawal from your paycheck? Let us know how your tax protest goes; I’m sure the IRS will be very understanding. Just ask Wesley Snipes, that worked out well for him.
You must then be happy you’re paying for the slaughter of innocent Israelis and others by the likes of hamas, the Palestinians, the equally brutal animals to the north, Iran which is using these animals as its proxies in its war against Israel. Your mamma must be proud.
It’s interesting that the animals in Gaza, West Bank are the same animals kicked out of Jordan and not wanted by any other Arabic or Persian nation in the region.
From the River to the Sea: Israel shall be safe and free “Palestinians” should be forcibly removed to any other Arabic nation - say Qatar or those other animals on the west end of the Arabian peninsula where they can all live together.
uh, US doesn't pay Hamas to kill anyone. Israel does, however, as is well-known now after it came to light that Netanyahu arranged direct payments to Hamas for years as a way to fracture the Palestinians and claim there was no "partner for peace." And I love how you use dehumanizing language that makes your own racism very apparent.
Oh my goodness, Hamas get billions from UNWRA of which America is the biggest donor. Hamas is one of the biggest human rights violators on the planet. Are you really comfortable with a society which sanctions honor killings of women? and one which trains children to strap on remote detonated suicide bombs? And on 10/7 which shot women in the head while they were raping them and then, say, cut of breasts and played catch with them, beheaded babies, put babies in microwave ovens, tortured children to death in front of their parents and so on?
All of the millitary aid $ given to Israel is in a form of a grant, a chit, with mandates to spend the money on American-made arms in American arms companies like Lockheed and Raytheon. In other words, America gives the money right back to Americans
I don’t want to pay for 10 million illegals let into this country willy nilly by your lame excuse of a president & now WE’LL, you & me, get to pay for Palestinians that no Muslim country will allow into their country. Good luck not paying taxes…you probably just got your student loans paid off too.
Oh you do. Unless you tell me you don't own anything made in China.
And stop with this stealing your land bullshit these Islamists want you to believe. Do you know they play this fucking card everywhere? Look around the world. Apparently everyone stole their land. India stole Kashmire. Serbs stole Kosovo. Christians stole Syria...and so on. Meanwhile they sit on vast countries in the middle east that practically have ZERO human rights.
One day they will come to your house and say you stole the land from them. And you'll be a quivering POS. Recognize the game - if you have any intelligence.
You lose me when you add a 'but' to the atrocities of Oct 7th.
You know what-if there's a but to what happened on Oct 7th, then there is a 'but' to whatever is happening after. Yes its shameful so many Gazans are dying 'but'..
So stop with this nonsense.
Also answer me this -
1.Which country respects gay rights vs which one throws them off tall buildings (Israel. Palestine(or any of these Islamist nations))
2.Which country has made rapid scientific progress since its inception and contributed to many global wins and which one just wants us all to return to the 6th century style of living (Israel. Palestine(or their ilk)
3.Which country has allowed Arabs to live and work without discrimination within its borders vs which one has sworn to eliminate every Jew on earth? (Israel. Palestine)
4. Which country has offered a two state solution twice and which one wants freedom from 'the river to the sea' (Israel. Palestine)
I could go on and on - but thought this would be enough for you to realize who you are supporting. Palestine has always wanted the death of Israel and all Jews everywhere. They have said it openly. And if they had the power they would do it.
Israel HAS the power to wipe out Gaza. Right now. And they are not doing it.
So stop with your nonsense.
Wow, Mr. Hunt, the shallowness of your knowledge is revealed by many things like your ignorance of the provenance of "from the river to the sea" (used by the PLO in the sixties) to this hilarious idea that Israel has a goal of "permanently occupying and annexing Gaza."
Dude, in the Six Day War the Egyptians (who at that time claimed the Strip) used the Gaza Strip as a staging area for their upcoming attack on Israel. During the Six Day War the IDF had to occupy the strip to drive the Egyptian army out. In the talks after the war on terms, the Israels tried to give the now-demilitarized Strip **back to Egypt** but Egypt wouldn't take it! And throughout this last Hamas/Israel go 'round Egypt has refused to take Gazan refugees--even temporarily! They've sealed their border up tight
So Israel became a reluctant administrator of this huge welfare population (UNWRA again) which seethes with anger at just about everybody (they hate the Palestinian Authority as well, by the way, and executed a coup on the PA government by throwing PA guys off buildings.)
Israel again tried to lose the Strip in 2005 in a deal with Hamas and the international community which promised Israel peace forever (where have we heard that before?) if the Strip became Judenrein. It cost millions of dollars and significant social division but Israel cleared every last settler from the Strip. At the time Netanyahu was skeptical; he said all they'd get was a "Hamasistan" on their Southern border. With the infiltration of ISIS and a newly emboldened Hamas, he was prescient
Great reply Stephanie. Thank you!!!
So you had no problem with such stuff as innocent civilian women having grenades pushed into the most private areas of their bodies before being beheaded, babies burned alive in their cribs and unimaginable and grotesque mutilation and murder of hundreds of innocent Israeli citizens.
Meanwhile
your beloved Gazan Palestinians:
were given Israeli homes with greenhouses so they could earn money
they promptly destroyed the green houses
they VOTED for Hamas
they were MISTREATED by Hamas who took all the money we sent to help them which was
USED BY HAMAS to build tunnels to attack Israel, and
they are ALWAYS used as human shields by Hamas so Israel gets blamed for casualties
they are unwelcome in every Arab country to be certain they create a problem for Israel
THESE SAME PEOPLE ALSO CHEERED WHEN THE SAVAGELY RAPED AND BEATEN ISRAELIS HAMAS CAPTURED WERE PARADED THROUGH THE STREETS OF GAZA
The Guardian is your source. Of course it is. The existential threat to Israel that is Hamas seems not to have registered in your brain.
Almost everything you wrote has been debunked and most things many months ago. As for The Guardian, that's not the source of the Israeli intelligence officials' insider info about these brutal AI targeting programs: it's Yuval Abraham, an Israeli Jewish journal who wrote a very long piece for +972 Magazine. I shared The Guardian piece b/c it's much shorter. Here's the long piece. https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/
It would be nice if Hamas gave the food aid to their fellow Palestinians instead of taking it or selling it to them.
What the f*** is "+972 Magazine? It sound like an impeccable source. NOT. A wise man once said, "the internet is like a bathroom wall; anyone can write anything on it." That's why you have to be scrupulous about checking out your sources and trying to find further confirmation of the claim outside of the source itself. So far you're batting a thousand: The Guardian (ROTFLMAO) and something called "+972 Magazine."
Just KTA. Pick Isreal or Satan it’s your choice!
wow....you need to do a little reading. How about it? Pick up a book? Or is that too much effort?
You want to read some debunking of the Guardian's journalistic methods and philosophy? I've dealt personally with many Guardian reporters and some of my conversations with them, as well as dissection of their "news" coverage is in my book "The Other War: Israelis, Palestinians, and the Struggle for Media Supremacy" (Encounter Books, New York, 2005) In terms of degree of bias, of agenda, of far-left monoculture (which includes a large helping of traditional British antisemitism) they are right up there with The Nation.
RUFKM?
These "protesters" are the philosophical progeny of the leftists of the 1960s etc of which the NYT, WaPo etc are all adherents. Long term philosophical errors have consequences.
I believe these trouble makers should be arrested and forced to take the scholarships offered by the Iranian Government and forced to enroll at Iran U.
Today’s morons make the anti-Vietnam war group look like Einstein