I came to know you as a writer through John Wells years before your excellent coverage of the Covid debacle. The world’s media has chosen to villainize Israel in its existential crisis. We need more people to recognize that war is not peace and actions must adjust to reality on the ground.
Maybe if they didn’t use civilians as human shields, or bombed their own hospitals, or fired rockets from schools, or built tunnels below the civilian population, or blocked civilians from leaving, less would die.
Yes, and maybe if they just accepted the land they have and got over it, worked for a two state solution, nobody would die. And our students in this country are being brainwashed to think it's as simple as Israel is an "oppressor" and Muslims are "the other." Just like white people are evil and now need to be discriminated against for the sins of our fathers, I guess.
The British also established Jordan as a place for the “Palestinians”. Some did not want to leave (or were directed not to leave) thus creating this refugee crises. Then Jordan and every other Arab nation refused to give them sanctuary. This was a coordinated setup for what we’ve seen over the last 50 years. I remember Yashir Arafat and the formation of the PLO. Then came the intifada and it’s been game on since.
I’m no scholar on Islamic studies but I read a good deal of other material and know rabbis who are scholars and trust them. They are messianic rabbis. That’s a whole other rabbit hole.
The Palestinians ARE a nation, it's just that you don't understand what the word means (look it up.) They also had a state, for many centuries. They were ruled by the Roman Empire (a state), the Caliphate (a state), the Ottoman Empire (a state) and after WWI, the British Empire (a state.) The British forced them into a "sharing" with the Zionists, which led to the Nakba. Now we are here. So far, they have not had a choice, except in the minds of people who have TV.
Palestine is a made up construct. The Arab nations use them to hold onto power. Ham-ass uses them as shields. Gaza has been self governing since 2007, but sure, it's all Israel's fault Right.
There has never been a Palestinian state. Ever. Palestine is a region that has been part of many states over time. You seem to also forget the Pogroms that forced Jews out of the east if the Arab world at the same time. From Baghdad (40% Jewish at the start of the 20th century) to Egypt to Libya. No one is calling for Arab countries to give the Jews back their land and property stolen. Tens of millions of people around the world were displaced after WWI and WWII. Is every ancestor of the displaced allowed to rape and murder at will? Or only those displaced by the Jews who were displaced themselves by other Arabs?
There were always Hebrews in the land. Most left in the diaspora but Sephardic Jews and Arabs coexisted in the land peacefully for centuries until Mohammed invented Islam. Whether that was from his god Allah or not, it was his own making. Zion has always been Zion and that has not changed since the Hebrews returned from captivity in Egypt. Jerusalem isn’t mentioned even once in the Q’ran and has never been a venerated holy place with the exception of the site where Mohammed purportedly ascended into heaven.
The Hebrew people do not have a problem with Christians, Buddhists or any other (including peaceful Muslims) coexisting in Israel. The Islamists however are determined to wipe them out. They have said as much more than once. No other religious group has tried to annihilate others as the Islamists have. Even during the Crusades the goal was to end the attempt of Islamists pushing up into Europe, and they did, imposing Islam along the way. The crusaders also wanted to reclaim Jerusalem as a holy land for all who revere it as such. Don’t get me wrong, the crusaders were guilty of taking things too far and war crimes but it wasn’t just some crackpot excuse.
The international community has been trying to get the Palestinians to accept a two state solution since 1919 and have failed. Now after several wars the Arabs are still trying to annihilate Israel and its people. God help us if Iran gets a nuclear weapon.
Aren't we all a little brainwashed, no matter which narrative we choose? We're only allowed to know what they allow us to know, never the full story. Try though I will, I will never understand the full story of why these two peoples kill each other. Are there good guys in this tale of hatred? Why must the U.S. be involved? This clip from The Green Prince has always appealed to me:
No I don’t think we are all brainwashed. The right is not being kept from what the left is spinning. Not like the reverse. I don’t know about Israel. I don’t live there. But anyone can access left journalism. And I do. In case something is being omitted. Fox News no longer gives the truth so you have to read Alex and Matt taibbi and Glenn greenwald. They took Tucker off. So I don’t think that’s true. If you want to be brainwashed I suppose you can not access information which happens. But the right is being demonized and silenced by people controlling big tech etc. as Matt taibbi and Elon musk found out. Read Matt’s piece in sub stack today.
Agree! Also watch Glenn on Rumble. He strives to report both sides and to tell the real facts of this horrible war and the pawns in this chess game. I strive to remain neutral and to try to understand both sides.
I meant brainwashed in what we're allowed to know about any global conflict or situation. Our govt clearly lacks transparency, in spite of their claims otherwise. I don't think we get the straight scoop from either sides of the conflict, either. So what we believe is based on censored information, regardless of how much we research. We base our opinions on partial truths doled out to us at the whim of the ruling class. They will never tell us the whole truth. They never have.
No, if you study history before there were only 8 corporate media outlets, you’ll see why Islam doesn’t want the Jews there, why the Jews want to be there and why the U.S. is involved.
They were offered a two state solution and refused it. They don’t want a peace, they want only the expulsion of Jews from what they falsely claim is their homeland. I have not read the Q’ran but I believe it states that once Muslims occupy any land it is forever after claimed in the name of Allah.
Allah is the name of an ancient moon deity worshipped by Sephardic Arabs before Mohammed established Islam.
Curious that the symbol of Islam is the crescent moon. They claim it is not the same thing but history shows otherwise. Additionally in the Hebrew Scriptures, which Mohammed said falsely confer the inheritance of the promises to Abraham’s firstborn to Isaac, should have been given to Ishmael.
Yep. I know this history. It really doesn’t matter who was right and wrong in the past. You have to move forward fairly. Or it’s tribalism and it’s racism here. We just can’t be responsible for things we didn’t do. We can’t tolerate violence in the name of oppression. And hope to ever have peace. And we can’t be expected to not defend ourselves based on any historical context. Most people think they are wronged. So sad.
The Arabs who identify as Palestinan deserve life and respect, but Hamas is an Iranian sponsored terrorist organization that must be eliminated. The citizens of Gaza are also victims of Hamas. They live in an abusive relationship with Hamas coupled with generations of gaslighting.
Absolutely. I would no more support an attempt at ethnic cleansing against Muslim peoples living peacefully anywhere than I reject the actions of Hamas. You are right, Hamas does not represent the majority of Muslim peoples worldwide and youth everywhere have been hoodwinked by the emerging Marxism that divides by race instead of class. This has been one of todays most misguided movements and is causing significant social destruction. We are moving backwards. I doubt that the foolish college kids wreaking havoc on campuses across America in support of Hamas would be willing to offer up their own lives in the name of Allah.
They don’t understand that these Islamists are dedicated to the establishment of Islam across the globe.
Exactly, but you can’t say that out loud in polite society without risking the PC police lynching you.
Honestly,ppl here have no frame of reference to comprehend the threat of attack by an invasive, murderous army from another country, let alone be condemned by the rest of the world for doing what it takes to end it.
War is horrible and the worst behavior mankind can undertake but our history is riddled with it and hopefully our future will be less so. We need regular reminders that whatever our mundane daily struggles life can be far more painful with almost zero comfort or relief. Gratitude for what you’ve got rather than longing for what you don’t is a good place to start. I know this but if I’m honest, I must admit it’s something I’m still trying to master.
Well if you have a better plan speak up. Israel didn't start this, and if you don't like it, we got along fine before you got here and we'll do fine after you leave. So there's that...
I believe Israel will win. Still I hate seeing so many in the US protesting for the Palestinians ( which means HAMAS) in this case. I’m afraid they are making it difficult for Israel. Hamas of course thinks it’s wonderful because it’s their plan to use every piece of propaganda that they can. We can’t believe the number of people killed that they report. They lie continually. I believe a lot of Palestinians have been killed but for me, I lay that at the feet of Hamas. If they hadn’t attacked Israel, if they hadn’t kept people from leaving the area, if they weren’t hiding in their tunnels, etc. I see Israel through my Christian faith. I doubt there are many Christians that don’t stand up for Israel. Anyway, my hope is for peace but I believe I won’t see that on this side of eternity. Still, I’m not in a great hurry to see eternity anytime soon.
As i said elsewhere, they do not win unless we talk about what the future looks like. Past grievances will never be resolved. But the de-colonizers and Hamas have given a stark vision of what the future holds from their point, whether secular left or religious zealots, they want lots of people to die. and that vision is out there for all to see thanks to free speech. If we focus on that, we win, not just Israel.
Extermination of the jews is the driving force of their radical religion. It will happen again regardless of Isreals response. Isreal can only hope to increase the time and severity of the "moral" crusade between episodes.
The barbarians are commanded to carry out these atrocities. It measures their holiness. They will never view their actions as cruel because their fundamental belief is anything less than extermination of the jews falls short of the glory of their god.
These fanatics will never be ashamed of their cruelty; because cruelty is the point.
The ideology of these barbarians can never be "defeated". The cruelty is righteous to them; it pleases their god. Cruelty is love of god.
“The barbarians are commanded to carry out these atrocities. It measures their holiness. They will never view their actions as cruel because their fundamental belief is anything less than extermination of the jews falls short of the glory of their god.” - Hence the phone call from the savage Hamas savage terrorist to his parents bragging about his cruelty. As Douglas Murray pointed out, the Nazis were cruel but still wanted to hide their cruelty. These savages brag about their cruelty. If western civilization is to survive, savages like them must be crushed.
I might be crazy but I believe since the Jews are Gods chosen people that they will win. Not that they’re Christians but I take serious that statement in the Bible.
I don’t ‘like’ this reality, but I must choose it to affirm civilization ruled by people desiring righteousness. Our nation is a rare experiment standing on ‘covenant’ principles. It’s a shadow of God’s covenant - GOD, Yahweh, made THE covenant w/ Israel, who repeatedly disobeyed God (because they are human), yet God is FAITHFUL (see Hosea) and will ALWAYS keep HIS Covenant.
Muslims regard the Koran as direct, Divine revelation- like we regard The Ten Commandments.
Koran 2-191: Kill them wherever you find them and drive them out from where they drove you out.
Koran 9-74: if they repent, it is better for them; but if they turn away, Allah will punish them with a painful punishment in this work and the Hereafter.
Koran 9-14: Make war on them. Allah will chastise them through you and will humiliate them.
Thus it is a Muslim’s duty to be the executor of Allah’s wrath against unbelievers.
Wow. Not a very loving God. Dark stuff. But then an angel of Yawweh told Ishmael that his descendants would live and die by the sword.
What a contrast to the message of the Christ. I hear Muslims regard Jesus as a prophet but then call Him a liar. If He was not who He said He was then He is a fraud. How can He be a prophet of God and be a fraud?
To Muslims, Abraham, Moses and Jesus were actually Muslims whose messages were corrupted. The “Islamic” nature of their messages was eliminated and replaced by the Old and New Testaments. Their “true” Islamic witness was scooped up and destroyed.
Mohammad is mentioned 4 times in the Koran; Jesus is mentioned 94 times.
Most importantly, Koran 4-157 says “Isa (Jesus) was never crucified but was made to appear that he was”. No crucifixion, no resurrection.
So the apostles of Christ faced death over an extraordinary hoax?
That stretches the imagination. Didn’t Pliny the Elder make mention of the crucifixion too? I thought I heard that but not sure. I think he recorded something about Jesus.
Highly unlikely they fought to free the slaves or were told. They were fighting to free the slaves. You may want to watch Ken Burns. Documentary, on the Civil War, it is extraordinarily educational and enlightening. The war was most certainly not started and fought over slavery.
Please google my great great great uncle James Hinds as proof men did fight and die to free blacks or, in my uncle's case (the right to vote.) I also recommend you familiarize yourself with John Brown and, of course, Bacon's Rebellion, which was the precipitating event leading to racial slavery, which may further enlighten your perspective. It’s essential to understand many people had differing motivations for fighting in the Civil War. and Ken Burns cannot definitively decide what those motivations were two centuries later, especially when considering the limited and likely self-censored perspectives of those whose accounts were deemed valuable enough to publish/document.
Thank you I will research the things you have recommended, I am curious though. Did you watch the entire documentary? I have seen it 2 times when at first came out and later when they showed it again. I found it to be fascinating. I learned many things I was unaware of, I have heard people put it down because they didn't like the facts. The narrative that seems to be taught in public schools Is that 1 day the northerners decided to free all the slaves and all the evil white southerners wanted to maintain slavery. So they went to war and that's all this thing was ever about. The noble northerners fighting The southern slave owners to free The slaves. The documentary stated otherwise, I understand it is a very complex issue. My whole point being is that It has been over simplified. I have no doubt many men fought against slavery. It's an Abomination to human dignity. there were even southerners that were against it As well and the overwhelming majority were not slave owners. So there are many, many contradictions to this entire story. My problem is. When this construct is presented that the North was noble and their intentions were good and pure. And the whole reason the war was started and fought was to free the slaves. It's just simply not true there is far far more to it. It is extraordinarily complex. But I do not find fault with the documentary. I found it to be educational and enlightening. And I have no doubt there absolutely were good men on both sides of this conflirt Who had no desire to participate or to allow slavery to continue. I will also say on the chance that you have not watched it all. You should really do so Thank you have a good day.
Ken Burns has a leftist slant built into his documentaries. It was clearly evident in his film about the Vietnam War. After watching that documentary I concluded I must view everything Ken Burns puts out through the same filter I read The NY Times and Washington Post.
Ken Burns had his revision. Lincoln MADE it about freeing skates, when he finally could. There were also ENOUGH abolitionists seeking and PRAYING to end slavery. ALL war is ugly!! As my Dad wisely instructed my 16 yr old peace-desiring-self: “Hitler HAD to be stopped.” I feel the same about Hamas.
One hundred percent agreement about hamas They need to be eradicated from the face of the earth. But out of curiosity, did you watch the complete documentary? It is fascinating and extraordinarily educational. I do not believe it to be revisionist history Thank you have a good day
I’ve read/heard differing opinions about this. It was over economics but Lincoln was determined to end slavery. They passed several amendments after the emancipation in an effort to end the oppressions of black people in the south however Jim Crow laws were not pushed back by subsequent admins.
I remember a few years ago when it was all involved to denigrate the burly men who exist in our population. Then there was a hurricane Katrina. I think it was and men flocked south to repair, power and communication, and. Infrastructure and buildings. Then there was 911 and burly man walked into Towers. Knowing that they would never emerge. In my life, I watch my father work 80 hours a week to support his nine children, all of whom went on to college and to success. He was a burly man from World War II, quiet, broad shoulders, work ethic. and then suddenly, these men were marked by the likes of homer Simpson. Men may do stupid things, but men step up to the plate, many times, and do the right thing man up.
I KNOW men are punished for standing up now, like that man who defended people in the New York subway from a crazy black man who was threatening people. The trial is the punishment. And just like Israel is being punished for standing up for their people.
We have to make it OK again to stand up for protecting the innocent using the necessary means and not give people a pass because of their skin color.
My ability to dissociate has become too powerful. Now l'm just watching the fall of America like, "hmm yeah that happens to empires" while I look for dog hats on Amazon.
😄😄😄 Yes, all empires fall, but I was hoping we could ride it for at least another century. It's looking pretty grim right now, bc we turned a blind eye for too long, in spite of the information available. I still have hope that the spark that sustained those raggedy militia men, lives on. It may be sputtering and threatening to go out, but it's there and I feel it's about to flare up. If I'm clinging to false hope, so be it. Whatever gets me to tomorrow, is what I say (usually over an alcoholic beverage). If it's dog hats for you, I'm with you. For the most part, I stay in my corner of the world and enjoy it's beauty while I still can. Stay safe. 😆😆 Dog hats. 👍💟🇺🇸
I recently read somewhere that it's the men in our society who build the incredible buildings, who lay the railroad tracks, who pave the roads, who haul away our garbage, who fight fires, who protect our very lives, who slaughter the animals we eat, etc and civilization would not exist without them. In the past, they deferred to "the weaker sex", but not anymore and why should they? Women have turned on them and they have every right to be angry. Feminism was engineered as much as any other "movement" created in our society, by the ruling class who delight in the power that comes with manipulating whole nations.
What’s ironic is how bitter the most privileged women on the planet often sound. Try carrying a jug of water on your head for 5 miles — that should put things in perspective.
I've often said our education should include a minimum six month stay in a third world country. Our youth have become mollycoddled, spoiled and demanding, which translates to weakness and an inability to deal with life. Then I discovered that was the whole idea, to begin with. They like us weak and inept. (Yeah, I've tried balancing a big book on my head and trying to walk and I barely made it down the hallway. And generally they have a child strapped to their backs, too. Good grief.)
Great article and explanation on why Israel needs to respond. And if the Palestinian people truly want peace, once Hamas is eradicated they can make the determination. But right now Hamas must be wiped out.
Of course Israel can win. Israel always wins because Israel has 1,000 John Wells. Just don't ask me to waste my tax money or sacrifice the blood of my children to defend Israel.
Actually, they are. They may not be called Hamas, but the ideology is here. Their goal is a muslim state in the U.S. by 2050. So, yes, they are a threat to you.
According to their own words, they are a threat to everyone who does not follow their religion. Do we wait till they are strong enough to attack us on our own soil? Seems like every comment I've made has a question mark after it. I'm just looking for answers from people who have a greater understanding, I guess.
Should our nation — or major cities — turn into Caliphate(s), the populous might find themselves more than a little wistful for the days when they believed that conjured up “Christian Nationalism” was their central political worry.
No doubt! As it is today, I'm wistful for the days we wished each other a "Merry Christmas!" without fear of offending. I used to comply with the pc "Happy Holidays", but not anymore. It may seem like a small thing, but it's just another small manipulation by the powers that be, to destroy our Judeo-Christian foundation.
But I hope for the above for you and yours should the day come when you need to summon the courage to stand against the tyranny of 1, 5, 10 or more.
As human life seems less valuable than it did a few short decades ago and some deranged ppl will kill you for the fun of it I learned how to shoot and practice. I’m a 67 yr old woman so not in the best vantage to overcome young punks looking to do my home, my family and yeah, even our dogs harm I will defend them with deadly force if necessary but I hope that situation never arises. I have NO desire to hurt anyone ever. I wrecked a car to avoid hitting a deer but I wouldn’t hit another car to avoid hitting an animal cause priorities.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts in this way. Violence is violence and peace is peace. We all want the latter, but unfortunately we must engage in the former. Hopefully the peace lasts longer than the violence.
Yeah, I hate this killing. But it's amazing how many people think Israel shouldn't defend herself and let self-proclaimed (by Palestinians--their stated goal) genocide of their own people just happen. How now THEY are the aggressor and what's more they are the oppressor. Like white people in this country who did nothing themselves. Do I have it correct that the Jewish people were first there? Then ran out and Palestinians had settled there for a long time and then Britain moved them out of what they thought was their "homeland?" And tried to set up two states? So they think Israel has "occupied" their land? That's how this Arab fellow explained it to me when we were both at Oral Roberts University (he a Christian then, though he was pretty weird and so was ORU--but that's another story).
But this does bring up interesting conundrums. Our university professors have been brainwashing our youth on this issue for decades. I was an adjunct professor and I know. So now what do we do about the First Amendment protests these pro-Palestinians are doing? Is it different because of the scope of Oct. 7 or 911? Can they do this unless they are inciting imminent violence or does this scope make this different for Jewish students on campus? Man. I think the scope and intention of both acts--and their stated goals, from the river to the sea, of annihilating Israeli's -- DO make it somewhat different, but these are difficult issues. We should stop funding our universities that have saddled our kids with ridiculous costs all while not allowing conservative viewpoints on campus and brainwashing our kids --and this actually makes that worse. Yet do we look like hypocrites for not letting them protest? Grrr. Most of the GOP candidates except Vivek wants to shut them down. I don't know the answer. These leftists have created a huge problem by teaching our students (and Muslims living here now) that they have been oppressed. All while the left uses Muslims (who they have nothing in common with ideologically) for votes. And while it appears, unlike most immigrants, that Muslims who come here are not coming here to become "Americans," but to set up a parallel society. Does that seem accurate? What horrible times these are.
Universities spouting Marxist rhetoric that encourages the oppressed/oppressor narrative as the ONLY possible reality...the University is dead. I enjoyed my education and luckily had professors that had their head's on straight, but I really can't imagine who I would be if I would have had the education that is seemingly normal now. Especially at that tender age where it's more difficult to be discerning. The educational system, along with many other systems in our country, has failed. Let's scrap it and start over the right way, right?
It is pretty scary. This narrative has become insidious not just at the universities, but in all spheres of influence leftists control: media, entertainment, deep state, and our universities. No critical thinking anymore and all to overthrow everything--all the "oppressors"--white people and Jewish people and I THINK Asians, too. My kids went to a university and I taught at one, but if I had to do it today, I wouldn't send them at all maybe. I wasn't for religious schools back then because I thought my kids should hear all points of view but I had no idea how far this had moved.
It's terrifying. Why is it that so many have fallen for this nonsense? I ask myself that all the time...and I come back to the idea that all those who were alive for previous wars are nearly gone now. But...I'm not one who has seen war; I had a Beaver Cleaver childhood and even I can see through this crap. We've grown soft and have forgotten. And then I think about China's long term plan to infiltrate our country, to turn us into a nation of nihilistic consumers...and how effective has that been? Too many contributing factors to even consider. At the end of the day, I just don't get how so many people are falling for this.
Absolutely. The needed an emergency in order to suspend ordinary procedures whereby a number of senators like Ted Cruz had planned to challenge the vote counts.
I suppose we must wait until it becomes a "mostly fiery, but peaceful protest"? But aren't they inciting violence against a particular people, which is not covered by the first amendment? Do we wait for the actual violence, which feels inevitable, at this point? When there are marxist and/or islamist apparatchiks, with big money behind them (you can tell how well equipped with flags and signs, this is no grass roots, spontaneous protest), stirring them to violence, when do we admit that this is another strategy in the war against America, that's been steathily waged for decades, but now has become open warfare. Can we finally admit that and begin fighting back?
Yeah it is considered at least a hate crime and if any actual violence occurs as a result of your advocacy for it and you can be charged. Rightfully so but that’s not to excuse any persons who make the insane choice to just act out over it.
Where have you heard that before? The threat is already here. We have waited far too long. I'm not talking about a guns and rockets war, but a war in taking back what they have infiltrated and stolen from us. Our education system, the minds of our children, the entertainment industry, our justice system, Big Medico/Pharma, corporate media, even our food and financial industries. These protests are only tangentially related to Palestine. It's just another excuse to cause chaos and fuel violence, like BLM. When would be the proper time to engage?
The concept I enunciated used to be known as The Bush Doctrine.
The proper time to engage in taking back that which the Left has infiltrated is now. But the time for stopping them from protesting? You have to wait for actual, not threatened, violence before you can act.
The good news for folks who view things from the lens you seem to be using is, DC juries have set the precedent that shaking fences constitutes an illegal assault, and doing so during an official proceeding makes it a felony. So presumably AG Graves is marshalling forces to bring the insurrectionists to justice right as we speak.
I think George H.W. Bush was one of the most evil and ruthless leaders our country has ever known, so while I'm not totally familiar with his Doctrine, I'm sure I would strongly disagree with it. I was of the mind that if the rhetoric of your protest incited violence against a particular group of people, that would not be considered covered by the first amendment. I understood "from the river to the sea" involved removing the Jewish people from their land. "From folks who view things from the lens you seem to be using"? Do I sense a hint of disdain? I am neither pro Palestine, nor pro Israel. America has enough on it's plate to sit this one out, is the way I see it. Most of the students protesting for Palestine have no clue what they're protesting. They've just been incited to protest, just as they were in the BLM riots...er, pardon me...protests, as well as standing for Ukraine. This could easily escalate to the level of violence and destruction we witnessed with the BLM riots. As for waiting for actual violence, there's this:
Yeah, that’s pretty spot on. Students who are threatening Jewish students should be summarily expelled, no refund.
I would advocate for Muslim students being persecuted too though that’s not the case here.
Jewish students are being bullied on college campuses and the admins aren’t doing much to counter it. If I didn’t know better I’d be hard pressed to believe it.
Not exactly. There was a faction of Sephardic Jews that remained after the sacking of Jerusalem in roughly 70 AD and the subsequent Diaspora where most Hebrews fled mostly north where they suffered several waves of oppression in the Inquisition, the Crusades and multiple pogroms. The Jews who left and migrated north are the Ashkenazi Jews. The Romans decreed the region “Palestine” but the Palestinian refugees are not truly refugees, they are Muslim descendants of Sephardic Arabs.
They were also inhabiting various outer regions of Israel along with other peoples such as Midianites and other non Hebrew groups. The Jews at that time did not mingle with gentiles much and Israel today still welcomes ppl of different faiths. It is divided between orthodox groups and very secular ppl, kinda like here only we have more religious-lite (Christmas and Easter Christian’s)
Can someone state as accurately as possible just how many Palestine civilians actually support the Hamas mission to eradicate Israel and Jews? Is it 30, 50, 75% or more? I realize indoctrination is on steroids there, but have wondered
How much does that really matter? Hitler won his first election by a mere plurality of votes (because there were so many political parties at the time). The fact remains, we never asked that question about Germany in WWII, but somehow, now, in the Israel/Gaza Strip war, it somehow needs to be addressed? Another fact is that Hamas, even though their recent history in the Gaza Strip includes a putsch, it also includes elections - which they won. So like it or not, they are the political representatives of the people of the Gaza Strip.
It is their religion Brogan. Deep down inside the majority believe it is not only OK, but commanded.
That is why they committ these heinous crimes, not simply because they're barbaric or aggrieved.
Rather because this is the ultimate testament to the fidelity of their "righteous" cause; A "moral" crusade where the level of cruelty is boundless because they are no longer burdened with the boundaries of empathy. Violence and cruelty measures their purity - their devotion to their religion.
Jews are illegitimate to these fanatical ideologues. There's nothing short of eliminating all jews that will satisfy them.
Their cruelty will always be there. It is holy to them.
If what you say is true and more likely than not you are it's an impossible proposition to KILL it since it's an ideology here 2000 years ago and 2000 years plus from now.
Yeah I get that it's in the scripture they read, but just like any of the religions not EVERY one who reads it, acts on it or believes ALL of it so hence my probing in questioning. Was a query is all, and as someone replied earlier... perhaps no one truly knows just how many would actually "act" on it even if they believed it was just or how many would not act on it and not believe it was justified too. Just questioning is all
There is a faction of Islam that adheres to Mohammed’s later writings. He mellowed a good bit and indicated that Jews and Christian’s should be left alone as they are ppl of the “book”. Don’t know what book he’s referring to but for centuries the three groups lived in relative harmony. Then factions of Islam splintered and some rejected this change. I think it’s part of the distinction between Shite and Sunni Muslims but not entirely sure.
I listened to an interrogation of one of the captured Hamas soldiers. He described how he and another had shot into a room full of crying children and kept shooting until it was silent, assuming all of the children had been killed. The interrogator asked the man what his father would think if he knew his son had done that. He said that his father did not know he was part of Hamas, and would kill him if he found out. That is the tragedy of war and labeling the people of an entire nation as worthy of death.
Most supporters of Israel also would prefer that those ppl who are not actively participating with Hamas be spared. No normal person wants innocents killed ever.
War is horrific and a tragedy of unparalleled proportions that one would hope to avoid but when the fight comes to you whatchagonnado? Not all Germans were Nazis either. Not all southerners are bigots or the KKK. Maybe we should all reserve judgement about ppl we don’t know based on some external aspect like hair color or skin color.
Somehow Israelis and Palestinians live together peacefully in Israel. Pretty reasonable to assume that most Gaza residents would be fine with Israel but for outside intervention.
What a great line - 'The unremembered past is fiction as much as the unlived future'. Just a tremendous way to put the truth. Hamas must go. Civilians who either tolerated Hamas or insanely, voted for them to be the rulers, have brought this on themselves. Hiroshima and Nagasaki are examples of the same thing to me. It is always the intent of an action that drives the rightness or wrongness of it. Killing is not always murder and yes, it is many times, the only protection for lives in the future. And yes, they will get fat and lazy and they will have to relive it again. The snowflakes running around protesting and calling for a cease fire are fine examples of that (other than the ones getting paid by Soros to do so).
At this point, I don't think it matters. If a dog turns against the owner, you have to put it down.
For future reference, it would be important to know and understand the beginnings of Hamas so that it doesn't happen again, but at this minute in time. It doesn't matter. They have to be gone.
I'm just pragmatic. I'm not talking about owner abuse. There are breeds known for doing so. Don't jump to extremes trying to prove a point and don't assume you know anything about my frame of reference. Previous point still stands. I'd apply the same logic to the crap going on at the southern border as well. Cartel's homes, production facilities, infrastructure, etc - all should go away and that includes anyone who's home at the time. And any politician whose pocket is getting lined with cartel $ should go to prison for life if it can be proven.
To know, is to know that you know nothing. ... I had quite a few dogs, different breads, none of them was overly aggressive. Since you changed the subject, I have a short phrase to explain the borders crisis - the Globalists have been pushing towards their goal -- One world, One government, One army. The question is, what is the purpose of One Global Army - to protect humans from the space aliens?
It’s most probable that Hamas wasn’t rightfully/legally voted in. I would have taken my family to a reasonable place to live because I would have known what was coming.
What other word than " genocide" would you use to describe 10.000 Palestinians (40% children) killed in a few weeks by the shelling/bombing of an overcrowded city carried out by a country that likes to call itself "Jewish State "? The Hamas' criminal raid in October 7 was "just " another episode of a long series of events that started 70+ years ago with the criminal ethnic cleansing carried out by zionists gangs (ie.Hagana, Irgun) in British occupied Palestine. Btw, delusional european settlers that legitimate occupation and ethnic cleansing , then and now, with quotes and references from the Bible (btw, read Schlomo Sand from Tel Aviv U. and geneticist Eran Elhaik from Hopkins/ Sheffield on the issue). Without historical context ( btw, just like in the case of the actual NATO- Russia war) these events (atrocities , war crimes and genocide, included) are impossible to understand.
Well we are fortunate then to have your expertise. We, all societies, are guilty of way more than we’ll ever know but we have brave experts to spin things to fit their preferred narrative with cherry picked factoids.
If Hamas put down its weapons/surrendered there would be peace. If Israel surrendered, they would be annihilated promptly. (That’s what “from the river to the sea” means. Destroying Israel is IN their charter! Who has demonstrated ‘tolerance’?
You however aren’t snowed by the politics of neo-Marxists. Palestine is a non existent land. The land there is Israel and always has been except for the relatively brief period during which the Roman Empire colonized the entire region and renamed it Palestine. The Arabs there did not call it Palestine. They are the descendants of Ishmael who in about 650 AD were rallied by Mohammed who simply rewrote the Hebrew Scriptures assigning the inheritance promised to Abraham and his prodgeny, Isaac.
The reasoning for this highjacking is complex but remains illegitimate according to both old and new testaments.
Ppl can believe what they choose.
Being Messianic, I take the Hebrew Scriptures as the written word of God. Both the old and new testaments are Hebrew Scriptures.
Jesus, Yeshua in Aramaic, did not come to establish a new religion. He came to fulfill the promises of God to the Hebrew ppl. He and his disciples were Hebrews and never considered themselves otherwise.
Yeshua also made a new covenant with mankind in that they were given a path to be reconciled to The Father in Heaven and had the promise of eternal life for simply accepting the offer. There are thousands of sovereign Israelis have accepted this and also call themselves Messianic.
Jerusalem isn’t mentioned even once in the Q’ran yet most Muslims regard it as a holy place.
So who has claim? All have claim. Gentiles who adopted the Hebrew Scriptures, Muslims who have lived there for centuries, and finally Hebrews who hold fast to the Torah. No other group has greater claim than the Hebrew ppl.
I have to laugh when I read about calls for a "cease fire" or a "pause." There were no calls for a cease fire with Japan after Pearl Harbor was bombed. There were no calls for a cease fire with the Al Qaeda after September 11. Israel is faced with an opponent who has a single objective: the complete destruction of the State of Israel and the extermination of each and every Jew who lives within its borders. The idea of a "two-state" solution is a pipe dream. If the October 7 massacres and atrocities proved anything, they proved what many Israelis long contended: a Palestinian state would forever be a loaded gun pointed at Israel's heart. Some of today's news is that Hamas wants a "permanent state of war" with Israel. What's the point of having a cease fire when you are dealing with that? What Israel needs to do is to permanently destroy Hamas's capacity to make war against Israel. Think Sherman's March to the Sea. HAMAS DELENDA EST.
I think that if you don't believe in biblical prophecy, you won't believe in why, historically, the U.S. has supported Israel's right to exist. Many don't and they don't understand why.
As to biblical prophecies, I'm on the fence; as to non-existence of COVID virus, I'm on thr ground. May change my position on C-19 if a true scientific isolation is documented.
"historically, the U.S. has supported Israel's right to exist," -- the US in the Bible? Where?
The response to this war from many in the West has gutted me. I get that we may all have differing views that span political ideals, but this? Support for a genocidal terrorist group because you (the perpetrators of truth) live in a Marxist mentality wherein one can only be either the oppressor or the oppressed? I feel sickened and embarrassed by my fellow Americans, living in a land of delusion that has nothing to do with actual history, geography or even the facts about what has occurred in the last month. I know we're all worried about the future of our nation and the divide between radical ideals, but the response by many makes me physically ill. How can expect to move forward as a unit when seemingly half of us live in lalaland? When will the day of reckoning come and what will be the cost of this insanity; when will they wake up?
I came to know you as a writer through John Wells years before your excellent coverage of the Covid debacle. The world’s media has chosen to villainize Israel in its existential crisis. We need more people to recognize that war is not peace and actions must adjust to reality on the ground.
Kill every Palestinian down to the last child. Israeli's final solution. Done with my tax dollars.
Maybe if they didn’t use civilians as human shields, or bombed their own hospitals, or fired rockets from schools, or built tunnels below the civilian population, or blocked civilians from leaving, less would die.
Yes, and maybe if they just accepted the land they have and got over it, worked for a two state solution, nobody would die. And our students in this country are being brainwashed to think it's as simple as Israel is an "oppressor" and Muslims are "the other." Just like white people are evil and now need to be discriminated against for the sins of our fathers, I guess.
The Palestinians never had a nation on this piece of land. The Romans named it. Both Jews and Muslims lived there before Israel
Became a nation, again. Israel has had two
Kingdoms on this piece of land. The Jews want to live in peace. These are undeniable facts that people are denying.
Yes, that is basically how I thought it went. However, many Palestinians were displaced when Britain messed in it.
Correct, the British, who hate the Jews. This is a biblical issue. For people that don’t see that, they aren’t looking far enough in the past.
The British also established Jordan as a place for the “Palestinians”. Some did not want to leave (or were directed not to leave) thus creating this refugee crises. Then Jordan and every other Arab nation refused to give them sanctuary. This was a coordinated setup for what we’ve seen over the last 50 years. I remember Yashir Arafat and the formation of the PLO. Then came the intifada and it’s been game on since.
I’m no scholar on Islamic studies but I read a good deal of other material and know rabbis who are scholars and trust them. They are messianic rabbis. That’s a whole other rabbit hole.
The Palestinians ARE a nation, it's just that you don't understand what the word means (look it up.) They also had a state, for many centuries. They were ruled by the Roman Empire (a state), the Caliphate (a state), the Ottoman Empire (a state) and after WWI, the British Empire (a state.) The British forced them into a "sharing" with the Zionists, which led to the Nakba. Now we are here. So far, they have not had a choice, except in the minds of people who have TV.
No, they didn’t. They were subjects of the Turkish empire bro. Never a Palestinian state. Palestina was created by the ark man’s. Seriously dude.
Never their own state. Always a subject of someone else.
Palestine is a made up construct. The Arab nations use them to hold onto power. Ham-ass uses them as shields. Gaza has been self governing since 2007, but sure, it's all Israel's fault Right.
There has never been a Palestinian state. Ever. Palestine is a region that has been part of many states over time. You seem to also forget the Pogroms that forced Jews out of the east if the Arab world at the same time. From Baghdad (40% Jewish at the start of the 20th century) to Egypt to Libya. No one is calling for Arab countries to give the Jews back their land and property stolen. Tens of millions of people around the world were displaced after WWI and WWII. Is every ancestor of the displaced allowed to rape and murder at will? Or only those displaced by the Jews who were displaced themselves by other Arabs?
There were always Hebrews in the land. Most left in the diaspora but Sephardic Jews and Arabs coexisted in the land peacefully for centuries until Mohammed invented Islam. Whether that was from his god Allah or not, it was his own making. Zion has always been Zion and that has not changed since the Hebrews returned from captivity in Egypt. Jerusalem isn’t mentioned even once in the Q’ran and has never been a venerated holy place with the exception of the site where Mohammed purportedly ascended into heaven.
The Hebrew people do not have a problem with Christians, Buddhists or any other (including peaceful Muslims) coexisting in Israel. The Islamists however are determined to wipe them out. They have said as much more than once. No other religious group has tried to annihilate others as the Islamists have. Even during the Crusades the goal was to end the attempt of Islamists pushing up into Europe, and they did, imposing Islam along the way. The crusaders also wanted to reclaim Jerusalem as a holy land for all who revere it as such. Don’t get me wrong, the crusaders were guilty of taking things too far and war crimes but it wasn’t just some crackpot excuse.
The international community has been trying to get the Palestinians to accept a two state solution since 1919 and have failed. Now after several wars the Arabs are still trying to annihilate Israel and its people. God help us if Iran gets a nuclear weapon.
Aren't we all a little brainwashed, no matter which narrative we choose? We're only allowed to know what they allow us to know, never the full story. Try though I will, I will never understand the full story of why these two peoples kill each other. Are there good guys in this tale of hatred? Why must the U.S. be involved? This clip from The Green Prince has always appealed to me:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=c2NaiX-hvVQ&pp=ygUZZ3JlZW4gcHJpbmNlIHNvbiBvZiBoYW1hcw%3D%3D
No I don’t think we are all brainwashed. The right is not being kept from what the left is spinning. Not like the reverse. I don’t know about Israel. I don’t live there. But anyone can access left journalism. And I do. In case something is being omitted. Fox News no longer gives the truth so you have to read Alex and Matt taibbi and Glenn greenwald. They took Tucker off. So I don’t think that’s true. If you want to be brainwashed I suppose you can not access information which happens. But the right is being demonized and silenced by people controlling big tech etc. as Matt taibbi and Elon musk found out. Read Matt’s piece in sub stack today.
Agree! Also watch Glenn on Rumble. He strives to report both sides and to tell the real facts of this horrible war and the pawns in this chess game. I strive to remain neutral and to try to understand both sides.
I meant brainwashed in what we're allowed to know about any global conflict or situation. Our govt clearly lacks transparency, in spite of their claims otherwise. I don't think we get the straight scoop from either sides of the conflict, either. So what we believe is based on censored information, regardless of how much we research. We base our opinions on partial truths doled out to us at the whim of the ruling class. They will never tell us the whole truth. They never have.
No, if you study history before there were only 8 corporate media outlets, you’ll see why Islam doesn’t want the Jews there, why the Jews want to be there and why the U.S. is involved.
Except their 'holy man' decrees otherwise.
They were offered a two state solution and refused it. They don’t want a peace, they want only the expulsion of Jews from what they falsely claim is their homeland. I have not read the Q’ran but I believe it states that once Muslims occupy any land it is forever after claimed in the name of Allah.
Allah is the name of an ancient moon deity worshipped by Sephardic Arabs before Mohammed established Islam.
Curious that the symbol of Islam is the crescent moon. They claim it is not the same thing but history shows otherwise. Additionally in the Hebrew Scriptures, which Mohammed said falsely confer the inheritance of the promises to Abraham’s firstborn to Isaac, should have been given to Ishmael.
Yep. I know this history. It really doesn’t matter who was right and wrong in the past. You have to move forward fairly. Or it’s tribalism and it’s racism here. We just can’t be responsible for things we didn’t do. We can’t tolerate violence in the name of oppression. And hope to ever have peace. And we can’t be expected to not defend ourselves based on any historical context. Most people think they are wronged. So sad.
The Arabs who identify as Palestinan deserve life and respect, but Hamas is an Iranian sponsored terrorist organization that must be eliminated. The citizens of Gaza are also victims of Hamas. They live in an abusive relationship with Hamas coupled with generations of gaslighting.
Absolutely. I would no more support an attempt at ethnic cleansing against Muslim peoples living peacefully anywhere than I reject the actions of Hamas. You are right, Hamas does not represent the majority of Muslim peoples worldwide and youth everywhere have been hoodwinked by the emerging Marxism that divides by race instead of class. This has been one of todays most misguided movements and is causing significant social destruction. We are moving backwards. I doubt that the foolish college kids wreaking havoc on campuses across America in support of Hamas would be willing to offer up their own lives in the name of Allah.
They don’t understand that these Islamists are dedicated to the establishment of Islam across the globe.
Exactly, but you can’t say that out loud in polite society without risking the PC police lynching you.
Honestly,ppl here have no frame of reference to comprehend the threat of attack by an invasive, murderous army from another country, let alone be condemned by the rest of the world for doing what it takes to end it.
War is horrible and the worst behavior mankind can undertake but our history is riddled with it and hopefully our future will be less so. We need regular reminders that whatever our mundane daily struggles life can be far more painful with almost zero comfort or relief. Gratitude for what you’ve got rather than longing for what you don’t is a good place to start. I know this but if I’m honest, I must admit it’s something I’m still trying to master.
Here we go. Arguing using truth, facts and logic. My guess is you just don't fit the modern narrative....
Well if you have a better plan speak up. Israel didn't start this, and if you don't like it, we got along fine before you got here and we'll do fine after you leave. So there's that...
I believe Israel will win. Still I hate seeing so many in the US protesting for the Palestinians ( which means HAMAS) in this case. I’m afraid they are making it difficult for Israel. Hamas of course thinks it’s wonderful because it’s their plan to use every piece of propaganda that they can. We can’t believe the number of people killed that they report. They lie continually. I believe a lot of Palestinians have been killed but for me, I lay that at the feet of Hamas. If they hadn’t attacked Israel, if they hadn’t kept people from leaving the area, if they weren’t hiding in their tunnels, etc. I see Israel through my Christian faith. I doubt there are many Christians that don’t stand up for Israel. Anyway, my hope is for peace but I believe I won’t see that on this side of eternity. Still, I’m not in a great hurry to see eternity anytime soon.
As i said elsewhere, they do not win unless we talk about what the future looks like. Past grievances will never be resolved. But the de-colonizers and Hamas have given a stark vision of what the future holds from their point, whether secular left or religious zealots, they want lots of people to die. and that vision is out there for all to see thanks to free speech. If we focus on that, we win, not just Israel.
Extermination of the jews is the driving force of their radical religion. It will happen again regardless of Isreals response. Isreal can only hope to increase the time and severity of the "moral" crusade between episodes.
The barbarians are commanded to carry out these atrocities. It measures their holiness. They will never view their actions as cruel because their fundamental belief is anything less than extermination of the jews falls short of the glory of their god.
These fanatics will never be ashamed of their cruelty; because cruelty is the point.
The ideology of these barbarians can never be "defeated". The cruelty is righteous to them; it pleases their god. Cruelty is love of god.
“The barbarians are commanded to carry out these atrocities. It measures their holiness. They will never view their actions as cruel because their fundamental belief is anything less than extermination of the jews falls short of the glory of their god.” - Hence the phone call from the savage Hamas savage terrorist to his parents bragging about his cruelty. As Douglas Murray pointed out, the Nazis were cruel but still wanted to hide their cruelty. These savages brag about their cruelty. If western civilization is to survive, savages like them must be crushed.
Yup. Well said
I might be crazy but I believe since the Jews are Gods chosen people that they will win. Not that they’re Christians but I take serious that statement in the Bible.
Not crazy at all.
God bless you!
People Sleep Peacefully in Their Beds at Night Only Because Rough Men Stand Ready to Do Violence on Their Behalf
Attributed to George Orwell
My forefathers fought the Confederacy to free the slaves. And the KKK afterwards.
Neither problem was solved by "discussions". Both required lots of killing.
Attributed to George Orwell and paraphrased by Colonel Nathan R Jessup
I don’t ‘like’ this reality, but I must choose it to affirm civilization ruled by people desiring righteousness. Our nation is a rare experiment standing on ‘covenant’ principles. It’s a shadow of God’s covenant - GOD, Yahweh, made THE covenant w/ Israel, who repeatedly disobeyed God (because they are human), yet God is FAITHFUL (see Hosea) and will ALWAYS keep HIS Covenant.
Muslims regard the Koran as direct, Divine revelation- like we regard The Ten Commandments.
Koran 2-191: Kill them wherever you find them and drive them out from where they drove you out.
Koran 9-74: if they repent, it is better for them; but if they turn away, Allah will punish them with a painful punishment in this work and the Hereafter.
Koran 9-14: Make war on them. Allah will chastise them through you and will humiliate them.
Thus it is a Muslim’s duty to be the executor of Allah’s wrath against unbelievers.
Wow. Not a very loving God. Dark stuff. But then an angel of Yawweh told Ishmael that his descendants would live and die by the sword.
What a contrast to the message of the Christ. I hear Muslims regard Jesus as a prophet but then call Him a liar. If He was not who He said He was then He is a fraud. How can He be a prophet of God and be a fraud?
I look forward to the return of the King.
A-men Sister!
To Muslims, Abraham, Moses and Jesus were actually Muslims whose messages were corrupted. The “Islamic” nature of their messages was eliminated and replaced by the Old and New Testaments. Their “true” Islamic witness was scooped up and destroyed.
Mohammad is mentioned 4 times in the Koran; Jesus is mentioned 94 times.
Most importantly, Koran 4-157 says “Isa (Jesus) was never crucified but was made to appear that he was”. No crucifixion, no resurrection.
Sorry fellas - no sale.
Blessings to you.
So the apostles of Christ faced death over an extraordinary hoax?
That stretches the imagination. Didn’t Pliny the Elder make mention of the crucifixion too? I thought I heard that but not sure. I think he recorded something about Jesus.
Highly unlikely they fought to free the slaves or were told. They were fighting to free the slaves. You may want to watch Ken Burns. Documentary, on the Civil War, it is extraordinarily educational and enlightening. The war was most certainly not started and fought over slavery.
Please google my great great great uncle James Hinds as proof men did fight and die to free blacks or, in my uncle's case (the right to vote.) I also recommend you familiarize yourself with John Brown and, of course, Bacon's Rebellion, which was the precipitating event leading to racial slavery, which may further enlighten your perspective. It’s essential to understand many people had differing motivations for fighting in the Civil War. and Ken Burns cannot definitively decide what those motivations were two centuries later, especially when considering the limited and likely self-censored perspectives of those whose accounts were deemed valuable enough to publish/document.
Thank you I will research the things you have recommended, I am curious though. Did you watch the entire documentary? I have seen it 2 times when at first came out and later when they showed it again. I found it to be fascinating. I learned many things I was unaware of, I have heard people put it down because they didn't like the facts. The narrative that seems to be taught in public schools Is that 1 day the northerners decided to free all the slaves and all the evil white southerners wanted to maintain slavery. So they went to war and that's all this thing was ever about. The noble northerners fighting The southern slave owners to free The slaves. The documentary stated otherwise, I understand it is a very complex issue. My whole point being is that It has been over simplified. I have no doubt many men fought against slavery. It's an Abomination to human dignity. there were even southerners that were against it As well and the overwhelming majority were not slave owners. So there are many, many contradictions to this entire story. My problem is. When this construct is presented that the North was noble and their intentions were good and pure. And the whole reason the war was started and fought was to free the slaves. It's just simply not true there is far far more to it. It is extraordinarily complex. But I do not find fault with the documentary. I found it to be educational and enlightening. And I have no doubt there absolutely were good men on both sides of this conflirt Who had no desire to participate or to allow slavery to continue. I will also say on the chance that you have not watched it all. You should really do so Thank you have a good day.
Ken Burns has a leftist slant built into his documentaries. It was clearly evident in his film about the Vietnam War. After watching that documentary I concluded I must view everything Ken Burns puts out through the same filter I read The NY Times and Washington Post.
Ken Burns had his revision. Lincoln MADE it about freeing skates, when he finally could. There were also ENOUGH abolitionists seeking and PRAYING to end slavery. ALL war is ugly!! As my Dad wisely instructed my 16 yr old peace-desiring-self: “Hitler HAD to be stopped.” I feel the same about Hamas.
One hundred percent agreement about hamas They need to be eradicated from the face of the earth. But out of curiosity, did you watch the complete documentary? It is fascinating and extraordinarily educational. I do not believe it to be revisionist history Thank you have a good day
This short video will be helpful to you:
https://www.prageru.com/video/was-the-civil-war-about-slavery
I’ve read/heard differing opinions about this. It was over economics but Lincoln was determined to end slavery. They passed several amendments after the emancipation in an effort to end the oppressions of black people in the south however Jim Crow laws were not pushed back by subsequent admins.
I remember a few years ago when it was all involved to denigrate the burly men who exist in our population. Then there was a hurricane Katrina. I think it was and men flocked south to repair, power and communication, and. Infrastructure and buildings. Then there was 911 and burly man walked into Towers. Knowing that they would never emerge. In my life, I watch my father work 80 hours a week to support his nine children, all of whom went on to college and to success. He was a burly man from World War II, quiet, broad shoulders, work ethic. and then suddenly, these men were marked by the likes of homer Simpson. Men may do stupid things, but men step up to the plate, many times, and do the right thing man up.
I KNOW men are punished for standing up now, like that man who defended people in the New York subway from a crazy black man who was threatening people. The trial is the punishment. And just like Israel is being punished for standing up for their people.
We have to make it OK again to stand up for protecting the innocent using the necessary means and not give people a pass because of their skin color.
Why don't we call it what it really is?:
Racism against white people.
I have no doubt that when we were growing up this man would've been pummeled by several other men.
Men have been emasculated to the point of fecklessness for fear of being called a racist.
Or fear of being prosecuted by a legal system that is clearly partisan and seems to favor criminals over upstanding citizens.
Yeah both.
My ability to dissociate has become too powerful. Now l'm just watching the fall of America like, "hmm yeah that happens to empires" while I look for dog hats on Amazon.
😄😄😄 Yes, all empires fall, but I was hoping we could ride it for at least another century. It's looking pretty grim right now, bc we turned a blind eye for too long, in spite of the information available. I still have hope that the spark that sustained those raggedy militia men, lives on. It may be sputtering and threatening to go out, but it's there and I feel it's about to flare up. If I'm clinging to false hope, so be it. Whatever gets me to tomorrow, is what I say (usually over an alcoholic beverage). If it's dog hats for you, I'm with you. For the most part, I stay in my corner of the world and enjoy it's beauty while I still can. Stay safe. 😆😆 Dog hats. 👍💟🇺🇸
Lol. I still have hope....but it may take "refreshing" of the tree of liberty.
Sad...but perhaps true. And I almost certainly would support it.
Now AB will really be pissed at me...God love him...;)
STAY STRONG btw
Thank you. I’m married one and he is my champion, my friend, my lover and a great father whose children adore him.
I am blessed by him.
I recently read somewhere that it's the men in our society who build the incredible buildings, who lay the railroad tracks, who pave the roads, who haul away our garbage, who fight fires, who protect our very lives, who slaughter the animals we eat, etc and civilization would not exist without them. In the past, they deferred to "the weaker sex", but not anymore and why should they? Women have turned on them and they have every right to be angry. Feminism was engineered as much as any other "movement" created in our society, by the ruling class who delight in the power that comes with manipulating whole nations.
What’s ironic is how bitter the most privileged women on the planet often sound. Try carrying a jug of water on your head for 5 miles — that should put things in perspective.
I've often said our education should include a minimum six month stay in a third world country. Our youth have become mollycoddled, spoiled and demanding, which translates to weakness and an inability to deal with life. Then I discovered that was the whole idea, to begin with. They like us weak and inept. (Yeah, I've tried balancing a big book on my head and trying to walk and I barely made it down the hallway. And generally they have a child strapped to their backs, too. Good grief.)
Yeah and generally it’s angry white women who are the loudest voices about white oppression. Go figure.
I guess they are in competition to see who can win the most gold stars for virtue signaling at the country club or the PTA mtg.
Great article and explanation on why Israel needs to respond. And if the Palestinian people truly want peace, once Hamas is eradicated they can make the determination. But right now Hamas must be wiped out.
Of course Israel can win. Israel always wins because Israel has 1,000 John Wells. Just don't ask me to waste my tax money or sacrifice the blood of my children to defend Israel.
If there was someone that had vowed to kill you and your family, you would do
Whatever you could to stop them. You are being naive.
Of course I would. But, is Hamas a threat to me?
Actually, they are. They may not be called Hamas, but the ideology is here. Their goal is a muslim state in the U.S. by 2050. So, yes, they are a threat to you.
According to their own words, they are a threat to everyone who does not follow their religion. Do we wait till they are strong enough to attack us on our own soil? Seems like every comment I've made has a question mark after it. I'm just looking for answers from people who have a greater understanding, I guess.
Should our nation — or major cities — turn into Caliphate(s), the populous might find themselves more than a little wistful for the days when they believed that conjured up “Christian Nationalism” was their central political worry.
No doubt! As it is today, I'm wistful for the days we wished each other a "Merry Christmas!" without fear of offending. I used to comply with the pc "Happy Holidays", but not anymore. It may seem like a small thing, but it's just another small manipulation by the powers that be, to destroy our Judeo-Christian foundation.
Yes. Unless you are Muslim and want to live under Sharia law. Jihadist kill anyone who isn’t them. Most whom they kill aren’t Jewish.
Or cowardly.
But I hope for the above for you and yours should the day come when you need to summon the courage to stand against the tyranny of 1, 5, 10 or more.
As human life seems less valuable than it did a few short decades ago and some deranged ppl will kill you for the fun of it I learned how to shoot and practice. I’m a 67 yr old woman so not in the best vantage to overcome young punks looking to do my home, my family and yeah, even our dogs harm I will defend them with deadly force if necessary but I hope that situation never arises. I have NO desire to hurt anyone ever. I wrecked a car to avoid hitting a deer but I wouldn’t hit another car to avoid hitting an animal cause priorities.
Yes, we are sick of messing in these wars. Money is bad enough, but we can't keep sending our children to do it.
I’m pretty sure they won’t need the likes of you.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts in this way. Violence is violence and peace is peace. We all want the latter, but unfortunately we must engage in the former. Hopefully the peace lasts longer than the violence.
Yeah, I hate this killing. But it's amazing how many people think Israel shouldn't defend herself and let self-proclaimed (by Palestinians--their stated goal) genocide of their own people just happen. How now THEY are the aggressor and what's more they are the oppressor. Like white people in this country who did nothing themselves. Do I have it correct that the Jewish people were first there? Then ran out and Palestinians had settled there for a long time and then Britain moved them out of what they thought was their "homeland?" And tried to set up two states? So they think Israel has "occupied" their land? That's how this Arab fellow explained it to me when we were both at Oral Roberts University (he a Christian then, though he was pretty weird and so was ORU--but that's another story).
But this does bring up interesting conundrums. Our university professors have been brainwashing our youth on this issue for decades. I was an adjunct professor and I know. So now what do we do about the First Amendment protests these pro-Palestinians are doing? Is it different because of the scope of Oct. 7 or 911? Can they do this unless they are inciting imminent violence or does this scope make this different for Jewish students on campus? Man. I think the scope and intention of both acts--and their stated goals, from the river to the sea, of annihilating Israeli's -- DO make it somewhat different, but these are difficult issues. We should stop funding our universities that have saddled our kids with ridiculous costs all while not allowing conservative viewpoints on campus and brainwashing our kids --and this actually makes that worse. Yet do we look like hypocrites for not letting them protest? Grrr. Most of the GOP candidates except Vivek wants to shut them down. I don't know the answer. These leftists have created a huge problem by teaching our students (and Muslims living here now) that they have been oppressed. All while the left uses Muslims (who they have nothing in common with ideologically) for votes. And while it appears, unlike most immigrants, that Muslims who come here are not coming here to become "Americans," but to set up a parallel society. Does that seem accurate? What horrible times these are.
Universities spouting Marxist rhetoric that encourages the oppressed/oppressor narrative as the ONLY possible reality...the University is dead. I enjoyed my education and luckily had professors that had their head's on straight, but I really can't imagine who I would be if I would have had the education that is seemingly normal now. Especially at that tender age where it's more difficult to be discerning. The educational system, along with many other systems in our country, has failed. Let's scrap it and start over the right way, right?
It is pretty scary. This narrative has become insidious not just at the universities, but in all spheres of influence leftists control: media, entertainment, deep state, and our universities. No critical thinking anymore and all to overthrow everything--all the "oppressors"--white people and Jewish people and I THINK Asians, too. My kids went to a university and I taught at one, but if I had to do it today, I wouldn't send them at all maybe. I wasn't for religious schools back then because I thought my kids should hear all points of view but I had no idea how far this had moved.
It's terrifying. Why is it that so many have fallen for this nonsense? I ask myself that all the time...and I come back to the idea that all those who were alive for previous wars are nearly gone now. But...I'm not one who has seen war; I had a Beaver Cleaver childhood and even I can see through this crap. We've grown soft and have forgotten. And then I think about China's long term plan to infiltrate our country, to turn us into a nation of nihilistic consumers...and how effective has that been? Too many contributing factors to even consider. At the end of the day, I just don't get how so many people are falling for this.
Does that make you a Beaver Cleaver Deaver? 😉
Yes! Clever one. 😄
You betcha.
Yes, we let them protest. It is their right.
Same rules as when we protest. Disrupt an "official proceeding" and you get detention and a 26 month delay before trial.
Equal justice under the law. That too is their right.
It's reasonable to suspect that J6 was created by Pelosi & Co. in order to avoid the "official proceeding" of Congressional debate and install Biden.
Absolutely. The needed an emergency in order to suspend ordinary procedures whereby a number of senators like Ted Cruz had planned to challenge the vote counts.
"You ask for a miracle, I give you the FBI."
I suppose we must wait until it becomes a "mostly fiery, but peaceful protest"? But aren't they inciting violence against a particular people, which is not covered by the first amendment? Do we wait for the actual violence, which feels inevitable, at this point? When there are marxist and/or islamist apparatchiks, with big money behind them (you can tell how well equipped with flags and signs, this is no grass roots, spontaneous protest), stirring them to violence, when do we admit that this is another strategy in the war against America, that's been steathily waged for decades, but now has become open warfare. Can we finally admit that and begin fighting back?
Yeah it is considered at least a hate crime and if any actual violence occurs as a result of your advocacy for it and you can be charged. Rightfully so but that’s not to excuse any persons who make the insane choice to just act out over it.
So in other words, we can no longer afford to wait until the threat materializes, instead we must preemptively attack.
Where have I heard that before?
Where have you heard that before? The threat is already here. We have waited far too long. I'm not talking about a guns and rockets war, but a war in taking back what they have infiltrated and stolen from us. Our education system, the minds of our children, the entertainment industry, our justice system, Big Medico/Pharma, corporate media, even our food and financial industries. These protests are only tangentially related to Palestine. It's just another excuse to cause chaos and fuel violence, like BLM. When would be the proper time to engage?
The concept I enunciated used to be known as The Bush Doctrine.
The proper time to engage in taking back that which the Left has infiltrated is now. But the time for stopping them from protesting? You have to wait for actual, not threatened, violence before you can act.
The good news for folks who view things from the lens you seem to be using is, DC juries have set the precedent that shaking fences constitutes an illegal assault, and doing so during an official proceeding makes it a felony. So presumably AG Graves is marshalling forces to bring the insurrectionists to justice right as we speak.
I think George H.W. Bush was one of the most evil and ruthless leaders our country has ever known, so while I'm not totally familiar with his Doctrine, I'm sure I would strongly disagree with it. I was of the mind that if the rhetoric of your protest incited violence against a particular group of people, that would not be considered covered by the first amendment. I understood "from the river to the sea" involved removing the Jewish people from their land. "From folks who view things from the lens you seem to be using"? Do I sense a hint of disdain? I am neither pro Palestine, nor pro Israel. America has enough on it's plate to sit this one out, is the way I see it. Most of the students protesting for Palestine have no clue what they're protesting. They've just been incited to protest, just as they were in the BLM riots...er, pardon me...protests, as well as standing for Ukraine. This could easily escalate to the level of violence and destruction we witnessed with the BLM riots. As for waiting for actual violence, there's this:
/watch?v=0yxYJ7OkSms
Yeah, that’s pretty spot on. Students who are threatening Jewish students should be summarily expelled, no refund.
I would advocate for Muslim students being persecuted too though that’s not the case here.
Jewish students are being bullied on college campuses and the admins aren’t doing much to counter it. If I didn’t know better I’d be hard pressed to believe it.
Crazy times and no end in sight.
Not exactly. There was a faction of Sephardic Jews that remained after the sacking of Jerusalem in roughly 70 AD and the subsequent Diaspora where most Hebrews fled mostly north where they suffered several waves of oppression in the Inquisition, the Crusades and multiple pogroms. The Jews who left and migrated north are the Ashkenazi Jews. The Romans decreed the region “Palestine” but the Palestinian refugees are not truly refugees, they are Muslim descendants of Sephardic Arabs.
They were also inhabiting various outer regions of Israel along with other peoples such as Midianites and other non Hebrew groups. The Jews at that time did not mingle with gentiles much and Israel today still welcomes ppl of different faiths. It is divided between orthodox groups and very secular ppl, kinda like here only we have more religious-lite (Christmas and Easter Christian’s)
Close enough to say the Jews were there first? Or are you saying they were both there originally? Gees. But thanks, very interesting.
Can someone state as accurately as possible just how many Palestine civilians actually support the Hamas mission to eradicate Israel and Jews? Is it 30, 50, 75% or more? I realize indoctrination is on steroids there, but have wondered
How much does that really matter? Hitler won his first election by a mere plurality of votes (because there were so many political parties at the time). The fact remains, we never asked that question about Germany in WWII, but somehow, now, in the Israel/Gaza Strip war, it somehow needs to be addressed? Another fact is that Hamas, even though their recent history in the Gaza Strip includes a putsch, it also includes elections - which they won. So like it or not, they are the political representatives of the people of the Gaza Strip.
I agree. It’s irrelevant because of the reasons you noted.
All nicely put together. Terrorists should be eliminated where ever they are.
I don't think there is any way to know which makes it all harder.
Would think there are those who have been on the ground there and have existed long enough around it to estimate fairly accurately
It is their religion Brogan. Deep down inside the majority believe it is not only OK, but commanded.
That is why they committ these heinous crimes, not simply because they're barbaric or aggrieved.
Rather because this is the ultimate testament to the fidelity of their "righteous" cause; A "moral" crusade where the level of cruelty is boundless because they are no longer burdened with the boundaries of empathy. Violence and cruelty measures their purity - their devotion to their religion.
Jews are illegitimate to these fanatical ideologues. There's nothing short of eliminating all jews that will satisfy them.
Their cruelty will always be there. It is holy to them.
If what you say is true and more likely than not you are it's an impossible proposition to KILL it since it's an ideology here 2000 years ago and 2000 years plus from now.
spot on. you nailed it much fewer words than i did.
Actually Islam dates back to roughly 650 CE. Christianity is 2k yrs old. The Hebrew calendar is the oldest one on earth.
Yeah I get that it's in the scripture they read, but just like any of the religions not EVERY one who reads it, acts on it or believes ALL of it so hence my probing in questioning. Was a query is all, and as someone replied earlier... perhaps no one truly knows just how many would actually "act" on it even if they believed it was just or how many would not act on it and not believe it was justified too. Just questioning is all
yeah, i guess I should've clarified by saying this particularly virulent ideological strain of that religion.
There is a faction of Islam that adheres to Mohammed’s later writings. He mellowed a good bit and indicated that Jews and Christian’s should be left alone as they are ppl of the “book”. Don’t know what book he’s referring to but for centuries the three groups lived in relative harmony. Then factions of Islam splintered and some rejected this change. I think it’s part of the distinction between Shite and Sunni Muslims but not entirely sure.
I listened to an interrogation of one of the captured Hamas soldiers. He described how he and another had shot into a room full of crying children and kept shooting until it was silent, assuming all of the children had been killed. The interrogator asked the man what his father would think if he knew his son had done that. He said that his father did not know he was part of Hamas, and would kill him if he found out. That is the tragedy of war and labeling the people of an entire nation as worthy of death.
Most supporters of Israel also would prefer that those ppl who are not actively participating with Hamas be spared. No normal person wants innocents killed ever.
War is horrific and a tragedy of unparalleled proportions that one would hope to avoid but when the fight comes to you whatchagonnado? Not all Germans were Nazis either. Not all southerners are bigots or the KKK. Maybe we should all reserve judgement about ppl we don’t know based on some external aspect like hair color or skin color.
All Islam
Intersting someone would say 100%
It’s on steroids here too.
Somehow Israelis and Palestinians live together peacefully in Israel. Pretty reasonable to assume that most Gaza residents would be fine with Israel but for outside intervention.
Really good thoughts on this war and the reminders from WW2.
Israel will not exist in 10 years. The amount of killing it would take to continue its existence is not sustainable.
What a great line - 'The unremembered past is fiction as much as the unlived future'. Just a tremendous way to put the truth. Hamas must go. Civilians who either tolerated Hamas or insanely, voted for them to be the rulers, have brought this on themselves. Hiroshima and Nagasaki are examples of the same thing to me. It is always the intent of an action that drives the rightness or wrongness of it. Killing is not always murder and yes, it is many times, the only protection for lives in the future. And yes, they will get fat and lazy and they will have to relive it again. The snowflakes running around protesting and calling for a cease fire are fine examples of that (other than the ones getting paid by Soros to do so).
Who created/sponsored Hamas and brought to Palestine? Dig deeper...
At this point, I don't think it matters. If a dog turns against the owner, you have to put it down.
For future reference, it would be important to know and understand the beginnings of Hamas so that it doesn't happen again, but at this minute in time. It doesn't matter. They have to be gone.
Assuming the dog has no rabies and turns against the owner probably it's the owners' fault.
In order to curer a disease, one needs to find out the root causes of it, and then treat the symptoms. You sound like a Zionist, Tsharp.
I'm just pragmatic. I'm not talking about owner abuse. There are breeds known for doing so. Don't jump to extremes trying to prove a point and don't assume you know anything about my frame of reference. Previous point still stands. I'd apply the same logic to the crap going on at the southern border as well. Cartel's homes, production facilities, infrastructure, etc - all should go away and that includes anyone who's home at the time. And any politician whose pocket is getting lined with cartel $ should go to prison for life if it can be proven.
To know, is to know that you know nothing. ... I had quite a few dogs, different breads, none of them was overly aggressive. Since you changed the subject, I have a short phrase to explain the borders crisis - the Globalists have been pushing towards their goal -- One world, One government, One army. The question is, what is the purpose of One Global Army - to protect humans from the space aliens?
Iran.
It’s most probable that Hamas wasn’t rightfully/legally voted in. I would have taken my family to a reasonable place to live because I would have known what was coming.
"Israel, unlike Hamas, is not genocidal". Is this a joke?
No, but you seem misinformed.
What other word than " genocide" would you use to describe 10.000 Palestinians (40% children) killed in a few weeks by the shelling/bombing of an overcrowded city carried out by a country that likes to call itself "Jewish State "? The Hamas' criminal raid in October 7 was "just " another episode of a long series of events that started 70+ years ago with the criminal ethnic cleansing carried out by zionists gangs (ie.Hagana, Irgun) in British occupied Palestine. Btw, delusional european settlers that legitimate occupation and ethnic cleansing , then and now, with quotes and references from the Bible (btw, read Schlomo Sand from Tel Aviv U. and geneticist Eran Elhaik from Hopkins/ Sheffield on the issue). Without historical context ( btw, just like in the case of the actual NATO- Russia war) these events (atrocities , war crimes and genocide, included) are impossible to understand.
Well we are fortunate then to have your expertise. We, all societies, are guilty of way more than we’ll ever know but we have brave experts to spin things to fit their preferred narrative with cherry picked factoids.
Thank you for sharing.
You're welcomed. It's always nice helping people to see the light.🙂
The most accurate descriptive comparison is:
If Hamas put down its weapons/surrendered there would be peace. If Israel surrendered, they would be annihilated promptly. (That’s what “from the river to the sea” means. Destroying Israel is IN their charter! Who has demonstrated ‘tolerance’?
You however aren’t snowed by the politics of neo-Marxists. Palestine is a non existent land. The land there is Israel and always has been except for the relatively brief period during which the Roman Empire colonized the entire region and renamed it Palestine. The Arabs there did not call it Palestine. They are the descendants of Ishmael who in about 650 AD were rallied by Mohammed who simply rewrote the Hebrew Scriptures assigning the inheritance promised to Abraham and his prodgeny, Isaac.
The reasoning for this highjacking is complex but remains illegitimate according to both old and new testaments.
Ppl can believe what they choose.
Being Messianic, I take the Hebrew Scriptures as the written word of God. Both the old and new testaments are Hebrew Scriptures.
Jesus, Yeshua in Aramaic, did not come to establish a new religion. He came to fulfill the promises of God to the Hebrew ppl. He and his disciples were Hebrews and never considered themselves otherwise.
Yeshua also made a new covenant with mankind in that they were given a path to be reconciled to The Father in Heaven and had the promise of eternal life for simply accepting the offer. There are thousands of sovereign Israelis have accepted this and also call themselves Messianic.
Jerusalem isn’t mentioned even once in the Q’ran yet most Muslims regard it as a holy place.
So who has claim? All have claim. Gentiles who adopted the Hebrew Scriptures, Muslims who have lived there for centuries, and finally Hebrews who hold fast to the Torah. No other group has greater claim than the Hebrew ppl.
I have to laugh when I read about calls for a "cease fire" or a "pause." There were no calls for a cease fire with Japan after Pearl Harbor was bombed. There were no calls for a cease fire with the Al Qaeda after September 11. Israel is faced with an opponent who has a single objective: the complete destruction of the State of Israel and the extermination of each and every Jew who lives within its borders. The idea of a "two-state" solution is a pipe dream. If the October 7 massacres and atrocities proved anything, they proved what many Israelis long contended: a Palestinian state would forever be a loaded gun pointed at Israel's heart. Some of today's news is that Hamas wants a "permanent state of war" with Israel. What's the point of having a cease fire when you are dealing with that? What Israel needs to do is to permanently destroy Hamas's capacity to make war against Israel. Think Sherman's March to the Sea. HAMAS DELENDA EST.
Maybe Israel is not genocidal but it has the plan called the Great(er) Israel, from Nile to The Tigris–Euphrates rivers...
And Hamas and the PLO have the plan to push the Jews into the sea.
Promises to be interesting; with the help of American vassals...
Ask yourself why that is.
I found an quite plausible answer while reading about Judaism and Israel.
I think that if you don't believe in biblical prophecy, you won't believe in why, historically, the U.S. has supported Israel's right to exist. Many don't and they don't understand why.
As to biblical prophecies, I'm on the fence; as to non-existence of COVID virus, I'm on thr ground. May change my position on C-19 if a true scientific isolation is documented.
"historically, the U.S. has supported Israel's right to exist," -- the US in the Bible? Where?
Sounds reasonable to me. I always thought Israel and Iran should divide the region up between the two of them and be done with it.
"divide the region" -- do you mean divide the State of Palestine??
Draw the line wherever the parties agree to draw it.
The response to this war from many in the West has gutted me. I get that we may all have differing views that span political ideals, but this? Support for a genocidal terrorist group because you (the perpetrators of truth) live in a Marxist mentality wherein one can only be either the oppressor or the oppressed? I feel sickened and embarrassed by my fellow Americans, living in a land of delusion that has nothing to do with actual history, geography or even the facts about what has occurred in the last month. I know we're all worried about the future of our nation and the divide between radical ideals, but the response by many makes me physically ill. How can expect to move forward as a unit when seemingly half of us live in lalaland? When will the day of reckoning come and what will be the cost of this insanity; when will they wake up?