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If Covid has taught us anything it is the entire medical profession is corrupted and has an agenda counter to reality. I no longer trust 98% of doctors. I always knew doctors lacked common sense which was a prerequisite of getting into medical school, but now we find out they do not actually live in reality. With apologies to the 2% of doctors like Dr. Atlas who have common sense and live in reality.

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a quick test is to stay away from the ones who put their pronouns in their bio

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i checked & dr. marino is (he/him)

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Anyone that needs to clarify their pronouns is not worth the time of day.

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either that or it's who he's looking to date or both maybe

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I've been forced to go with "they/them" for we are many. Thought was going to get reported for not taking seriously.

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these systems can be surprisingly difficult to mock because when you think of a dumb idea to make fun of it - someone else has a dumber idea & believes in it

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That's the Babylon Bee model for success, though with them the dumb ideas become reality.

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On behalf of my doctors I'll say that most (Los Angeles area) have been rational. I quit the Maddow fanatics who screamed when I mentioned HCQ + Zinc or Ivermectin. In fact, most of my docs protected themselves with cheap antivirals before the clot shot. They never ask me if I'm vaccinated because I don't look stupid.

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Though on the other end of the spectrum my kids go to a private school with lots of children of doctors. The only ones in the school who are still masking (now that our esteemed Governor allowed them to be free) are children of doctors.

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I found that exact thing to be true as well. The children of doctors seem to be still masked and using face shields and not being allowed to go to birthday parties because "they might get sick"

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No doubt! I try to stay away from virtue signalers.

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<< They never ask me if I'm vaccinated because I don't look stupid. >>

LOL

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I agree that was funny and a good one!!!

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California is just off the rails :(

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And med schools have started using DEI quotas to determine who does and does not get admitted. Merit is no longer prioritized. Which means the next generation of doctors is going to feature even more people who have no business being doctors.

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A trend that seems to be accelerating is the move away from allopathic medicine to alternative treatment modes.

I now visit an acupuncturist, a chiropractor and a conventionally trained physician who has "seen the light" and includes nutrients, herbs and other alternatives in his treatment plans.

This physician (who is also an endocrinologist) helped move me off my last medication, thyroid.

I'm in my 70s and take no medications whatsoever. I am, however, big on nutrition, exercise and nutrients :). So are all the health professionals that I see -- the reason I see them, of course.

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I went to a doctor for an injury to my abdomen. As a new patient, I had a blood panel done. It said I had a slow thyroid, a condition I was unaware of. One of the symptoms of a slow thyroid is being lethargic and getting cold easily, so I thought Synthroid would be a great way to have more energy. I was put on Synthroid. I needed blood tests every few months and I needed a thyroid biopsy at one point. After a few months of being on Synthroid and not feeling any different, I stopped taking Synthroid. As for being lethargic, it's part of the human experience. Exercise, adequate sleep, a good diet should suffice. What hit me was going in for an abdomen injury cause 1.) a blood test, 2 a synthroid prescription, 3, quarterly blood tests and 4 a biopsy. It's like the moment you interact with the medical establishment their cash register starts ringing off the counter.

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Allopathetic docs are a thing of the past IMHO.

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They will be a "thing of the past", but I suspect it will take another generation or so before this happens.

That said, more and more medical professionals interested in health (as opposed to disease) are beginning to learn about nutrition (which is NOT taught in medical schools), herbs, and natural healing modes.

Several people that I know are swapping lists of such physicians' names and contact information. It's somewhat "under the table" and the doctors are needfully careful about what they say to new, unknown patients.

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Yes, agreed. There are some good ones who are changing. I’m ofc referring to the brainwashed docs who still don’t get it.

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Most physicians tow the Big Pharma line. Their life's blood. Med school is SO pharmaceutical intervention oriented that students cannot see the forest for the trees by the time they graduate.

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Dr. Atlas, Dr. Bhattacharya, and Dr. McCullough are my preferences for my primary-care doctors.

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Don't forget Vinay Prasad. He is awesome on Twitter.

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I have been in the healthcare industry (medical technologist and pharmacist) for over 35 years). I have watched the pharmaceutical companies slow but insidious influence over all facets of the Healthcare industry from medical, nursing, pharmacy schools, teaching and non teaching hospitals alike. Instead of the government acting as a watchdog they have become their enablers and co-conspirators. The past 9 out of 10 FDA directors now work as consultants for the pharmaceutical industry. The government not only markets products such as vaccines but forces them onto the public exempting any liability on behalf of the pharmaceutical companies. It’s all become akin to the fox watching the chicken coop, from vaccine studies to unreliable PCR tests. The only ones who should be wearing masks now are the charlatans doctors and politicians to hide their faces in shame for acting as a enablers for Big Pharma.

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Raz, what about the other side of Big Pharma --- the breakthrough meds which have greatly ameliorated the treatment of hepatitis C, HIV, cystic fibrosis, pulmonary hypertension, inflammatory bowel disease, psoriasis and organ transplant rejection? We need a balanced perspective. The boundary between the pharmaceutical companies and physicians is stronger than any time in my career. We need a deeply nuanced education of young physicians about the virtues and vices of this industry.

PCR tests are very useful but results need to be understood. Do not join the naysayers who want to throw out the baby with the bath water. By the way, I am a retired pediatric pulmonologist.

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I agree pharmaceutical companies have done great things for the quality of health in this country but like anything there needs to be clear demarcations between the government and the pharmaceutical industry. A few years back the politicians made a law where pharmaceutical sales reps could no longer give the pharmacist a free pen or notepad for fear we would prostitute ourselves for their trinkets. Yet our government overseers create a terribly unwieldy adverse reporting system (VAERS) and exempt vaccine manufacturers of any and all liability. The government acted as the protector and enforcer for the Covid vaccine manufacturers to any competing therapeutic (ie Hydroxychloroquine, Ivermectin to name a few). I am not throwing the baby out with the bath water. However when I see the AMA and CDC throw the Dr McCulloughs and Dr Malones out with the naysayers I cannot help but have a jaundiced eye.

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You are what medicine was and Should be!! I do not believe in throwing out the baby with the bath water but how many diseases that they are now “curing” were started by the medical industry in the first place.?! They have meds for everything and when those meds cause issues there are meds for the meds. It’s a never ending cycle. Whether it’s Covid vaccines or pain killers or diet drugs or trans surgery for minors are the doctors doing what is right or what is lucrative? Will they stand with patients who go against the norm? After several medical injuries caused by the elite physicians of the world, there is zero accountability for the elite doctors! Just like in everything else today. Too many doctors see their patients as a means to get rich! If there is a problem it’s obviously the fault of the patients! Gone are the days of a physician “doing no harm!” With big pharma behind them they are protected and everyone loses. There is no integrity left in medicine. It’s very sad but very true. I believe in a balanced approach but I do not see it in reality. I wonder, if we could cure cancer tomorrow and it took only work by the patients and a low cost pill, would doctors and hospitals and the pharmaceutical industry support it? Would they close the radiation offices and chemo drugs and the hundreds of thousands of dollars the industry makes from the treatment???

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Margaret, I spent my career employed by medical schools and working in large children's hospitals. The men and women I worked with were hardly perfect but none were there to get rich and wanted to serve sick children and their families. Plaintiffs' attorneys remain a threat to equanimity among physicians. Big Pharma is in no ways protecting the pediatric specialists I know. We learned about medications in our journals and via medical education. I was salaried throughout my career and in no way benefited from prescribing expensive meds. I think that this rarely happens in leading academic institutions. Please do not jump to unproven conclusions. Yes, physicians would support any cure to cancer. CANCER is a hundred different diseases and amazing progress has been made in the treatment of many cancers, often with ingenious new classes of medications. Progress in the treatment of cystic fibrosis has been incremental but the average life expectancy has advanced from mid-childhood into the 40s with good quality of life during my career.

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Brilliant

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BRAVO👏…you are 100% correct. Thank you for stating that so perfectly.

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And Doctor Vladimir Zelenko. RIP brave soul warrior!

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One of the covid heroes.

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McCollough estimated 90% of MDs are fauch disciples.

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Probably an underestimate. Every physician in Colorado as far as I can tell requires face masks (of no particular type or quality) to enter their offices. Which of course stops viral URI's in their tracks.

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McColloughs estimate was simpler times, before they started de-licensing heretics.

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The truth is they got into med school when they couldn’t get into vet school. Trust your local vet.

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Mark, this is a huge over-reaction. Sensible Medicine is a site which is attempting to provide a forum for non-establishment physicians. I retired last summer and spent 40+ years in academic medicine. Most of my colleagues were intelligent, well-informed individuals who dedicated themselves to doing right day by day, no conflict of interest with pharmaceutical companies. However, few have been willing to call out the establishment physicians or medical school leaders who are loathe to speak out against the CDC, FDA or NIH. Most physicians have enormous common sense and live in a reality that you cannot comprehend. Read my newsletter - <georgemallory.substack.com. Let me know what you think.

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But, the Sensible Medicine docs are still covid mRNA product supporters. Whether they truly believe or are just afraid of being "McCullough'ed", none of them will speak truth about these dangerous products beyond saying that maybe kids should not get them. They love to talk about the need for rigorous RCTs, but will not acknowledging the brutally flawed designs of every mRNA product trial. A good one to read is The Midwestern Doctor on Substack (https://substack.com/profile/76762071-a-midwestern-doctor) for a doc that is not afraid to speak truth.

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I checked out the clip from "Died Suddenly". I don't how this could be faked so I am concerned over what I'm seeing here. Consider this, slip and fall lawyers have gone after everything or anyone they can make a buck from. From the cigarette companies to someome dumb enough to not understand that hot coffee is hot. It begs the question, why haven't we seen anything over these side effects? I know big pharma has been given immuity but this is quackery we're looking at. From the head quack Fauci!

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Point taken and I appreciate the information. It is definitely the new guard that is ruining medicine for me, not your generation. Though I'll still disagree that most doctors have common sense. In every community the easiest way to raise money for any ridiculous investment idea is to round up all the doctors and have them fund your project :)

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And, I don’t trust one doctor. Sad, isn’t it? I was in the hospital for three days in August, and I was petrified…not of the cancer. OF THE HOSPITAL AND THE MEDICAL STAFF.

That’s why I relate so much to your previous comment.

God protected me.

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Do you trust the clerk at the fast food joint to be a nutrition expert? We hire people to do specific jobs and supervise their work to assure acceptable quality. Except doctors. They're not magicians or saviors, just tradesmen doing a job. It's important for successful patients to learn to supervise their medical employees. Quality medical service is more important than hamburgers.

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AMEN for sure David! I think the medical community (not all of course) in the last few decades has been ALLOWED to get away with way too much! And they’re also bought and paid for by the Pharma cartel. Great comment!

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I retired in June after 40+ years of practice in pediatric pulmonology. I must disagree indicating that, even in retrospect, neither I nor my partners were "bought and paid for" by the Pharma cartel. it is insanity to make a judgment that there are no members of a highly educated and mostly salaried profession is untrustworthy. Please read the postings entitled Sensible Medicine on substack. There are many voices of reason who are now speaking out against the general silence of fellow physicians in the face of many failings of establishment medical "leaders". Read everything you can by Vinay Prasad.

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I’m in Commifornia…now do you understand Doctor? With due respect.

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I am unwilling to join in the concept that all California physicians have sold out. Please be open to people who have a different understanding of the world. around us.

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MARK HAS THE COMMENT OF THE DAY (so if you never had employee of the month…).🥇

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It takes a special kind of scumbag to downplay the danger of fentanyl in the midst of a raging opioid epidemic.

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I think Twitter breeds scumbags and then rewards them with endorphin rushes. I think it’s a symptom of the disease. Many crazy scumbag ideas, as judged by actual outcomes, have “mainstreamed” because of social media. It emboldens people who were already scum bags, but it seems to also make people scummier. Social media where everyone can see/ comment on everything generally is 💩 with countless lunatics trying to destroy real people.

The algorithms encourage crazy mobs. Can you really see CNN being influential enough to lead to widespread othering of those who didn’t want an experimental vaccine that didn’t work? Or college professors so charismatic as to convince future parents child drag shows are “really about inclusion?”

The algorithms encourage these insane behaviors and completely insane ideologies detached from reality. It’s as bad as any drug. The great thing about Substack is there aren’t crazy algorithms and people are far more sane.

Since questionable funded algorithm based social media took off the overall mental health of users and normal functioning of society has plummeted. Worse, the people on them a lot are often either depressed or angry. I have friends - most of whom are happily married beautiful moms with wonderful lives - who have had anxiety attacks and serious mental issues from it. I found myself not happy when I was on Facebook. It took a couple weeks but life is so much better/ calmer without it.

I hope Musk can fix it, but I don’t know if it’s possible. It might be the nature of human mobs and screen engagement. I can only see a little on Twitter since I don’t have an account and it kicks me off if I scroll, but it looks just as toxic as every other “free” social media.

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I have a friend that spends a lot of time at home, on the internet, and on social media and his mental health is awful. He also hates Trump so much that he recently told me "I hope he gets assasinated." This friend goes to therapy 4 times a week and the psychotheraphy program he's currently in lasts the entire day several days a week (hard to believe but true -- I'm not even sure how he pays for it or how he even gets work done to make money). He's gained a lot of weight over the last few years, his apartment is starting to get cluttered and messy, and I can't help but assume that his finances are a wreck. He wasn't always this way as I've known him 20 years now but he got a lot worse around 2008, which was the mass adoption time for social media. I'm a conservative republican with patriotic judeo-christian family values so it's hard to remain friends with him and if I didn't know him for so long, I'd probably cut my ties. Like most liberals, he has a good heart but he runs his life based on decisions made with his emotions and not rational thought.

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Unfortunately your friend’s experience is all too common. My 11yo occasionally gets grumpy she’s not allowed any social media until high school and then we will limit her to 10 minutes a day. That rule will apply as long as she’s getting any financial support from us. We made it when she was 8 and frirnds started getting social media.

We will only allow it in high school because it’s how kids find college roommates these days, and she is adamant about an actual girl (which we also will demand). Our 8yo son has zero friends with social media and what he hears of it he thinks it’s “stupid.” My husband has always thought social media is stupid. Fortunately both our kids go to an elite private conservative Christian school and our approach is very similar to the majority of parents. But at club soccer, swim, at the club over the summer, she’s one of the only ones that doesn’t already have social media accounts of her own. Seeing kids get addicted, which got much worse over Covid, is creepy. Especially the little girls who started getting their own accounts around 8. They all seem to post disturbing hypersexualized pics (the poses and faces they make), and write crazy stuff. At best they just started puberty in the last year. It’s really creepy and disturbing. The parents are mostly drunk, woke, or both and don’t see an “issue” because “it’s just for fun.” A couple generations are going to be ruined by social media.

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I'm trying to teach my kids that social media is a cesspool. I told them that when they do get social media that they shouldn't post to it and anything they post will be permanent. I want them to stay off social media for as long as possible.

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Well said!

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They are likely paid shills. Didn’t a FOIA uncover some influencers the govt was pushing? Not only assholes but greedy assholes. In a normal world they would have no customers and have to find a different line of work.

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https://newspunch.com/bidens-hhs-and-cdc-paid-screen-writers-and-comedians-to-mock-the-unvaccinated/

Biden’s HHS and CDC Paid Screen Writers and Comedians To Mock the Unvaccinated

The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) and the Centers For Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) have been exposed running the most disturbing and elaborate propaganda campaign in living memory. Screen writers, comedians, influencers and church leaders, among others, were recruited and paid to promote Covid-19 vaccines to the masses, while ridiculing and shaming those who refuse the jab.

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The fact that they did this really confirms how totally revolting they are in their need to to “ divide and conquer.” Why did the HHS and CDC not choose to just present us with scientific facts that vaccines were the only solution? Because they know that’s not the truth,so let’s go with condescending ridicule.....EFF them all.

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And they did it all while knowing the vaccines were causing huge amounts of problems, they just didn't care.

https://simulationcommander.substack.com/p/the-cdc-falls-to-new-lows

....a large chunk of these people were healthcare workers who were at the front of the line during the rollout. People who had been dealing with covid patients ON the frontline for nearly a year at this point, many of which already had acquired immunity.

Nearly 8% required medical care. (after the shot)

Is it any wonder that doctors and nurses balked at vaccine mandates? They had seen FIRST-HAND the effects of the jab — and then their jobs were threatened if they spoke out about what they saw OR refused to get the shot themselves!

And the CDC has had this data the entire time, while calling it all ‘misinformation’ and relentlessly attacking anybody who dared bring it up. Through all the mandate discussion and mandate implementation, the CDC repeated “Safe and Effective” like a well-trained parrot.

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lesson learned ; whatever the CDC says, do the opposite.

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And still do. I hear ads on the radio promoting the shots. Maddening.

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The mandates still exist. My 18 year old son had no choice if he wanted to join the Air Force. Joes Jab on a kid that’s already had Covid. Where exactly is justice?

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Yep. Soon the rest of the world will be suing vax makers and the US will be mandating it to go to school. (But totally NOT a mandate, just 'suggestions')

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What goes ard comes ard. We might not be ard to see/read it but it will happen. Bad people bad.

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Thanks for the link!!

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That's what I do. I drink and I link things.

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“I drink and I link things” LOL EPIC 🤣🤣

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Right. That brilliant insight and writing is a mere side-effect. 😉

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lmao

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The most profitable part of a Pediatrician’s practice is vaccines.

How do you improve on the lawyer joke: “It is 98% of them that give the other 2% a bad name”.

I come from a medical family and I’ve sadly been red-pilled: lawyers don’t kill.

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This is exactly right. They're all paid actors. What I don't understand is why we waste time paying attention to them? I would bet north of 50% of their followers are bots they bought, which is why they spend time engaging with random twitter accounts they have no relation too. The fact that we give this credence, other than to highlight how much of twitter is fake, I'll never understand...

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As a statistician, one mystery to me is why MDs are automatically considered "experts" on things like analysis of vaccine side-effect, effectiveness, etc. Most papers in this field are pure data analysis: here is the data we collected, here is our analysis, here are our conclusions - pure stats. MDs get very rudimentary training in stats, and someone who worked an ED doctor for many years has likely forgotten what little they knew to begin with. I am happy to (try to) patiently explain to them the stuff they do not know, but it is beyond me why some clueless MD feels they can lecture to the rest of us.

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It's hilarious that when I'm unvaxxed, I'm "only" 99.7% safe from covid, but when I'm vaxxed I'm 99.95% safe from covid. Yet the entire medical establishment tells me the 0.25% is the difference between being 'at-risk' and 'actually safe'.

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It is called the new math and you dear sir must be following the "old" math. Got it?

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I am "of a certain age." Probably best if I weren't using any more of Earth's precious resources......

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Ahhh...you can be recycled & return to Mother Earth with all those valuable rare earth minerals. 😛😛😛

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And for this rounding error in safety you get at least a 1:800 chance of a serious vaccine injury. Why exactly would any intelligent person want to do this?

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This is why they made sure nobody knew this information -- nobody would willingly do it, and therefore Big Pharma would lose out on billions and government would look even dumber than normal.

But it will all come out in the end, anyway.

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And if you are vaxxed but you do get CV, it is okay, because it is so much worse if you aren't.

(This one is my pet peeve. You don't get a do-over to compare the two. )

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To be fair, the comparison is 99.12% (rather than 99.7%) unvaccinated vs 99.95% vaccinated. The 95% RELATIVE effectiveness per the Pfizer trials reduced symptomatic infection over the trial period from 0.88% to 0.05%. But still.

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I got the IFR for my age group from the CDC. (And ignored the fact that the deaths are clumped toward the most unhealthy in the group)

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Many MDs are also woefully lacking in skills related to study design and research ethics.

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Jay I think doctoral candidates should just go to pharmaceutical training. Essentially that’s all they know and all they do. They already get a slice of the profits anyway.

Ethics? Isn’t that something you breathed that made you go to sleep many decades ago? 😏🤪

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Ahhh...you forgot Dmitry the doctors have the "god" complex going for them thus a mere statistician or dare I say a bio-statistician could not possibly know how stats influence medical decisions. Oh probability what's that? P < .05 is the same as P< .10 right?

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Right. My bad.

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Is Dr. Marino even real? Is Med Twitter real? With real doctors? Sounds like more bots created or paid to push a narrative.

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He has a LinkedIn profile.

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This guy spouts injurious nonsense and it's not "misinformation" and nothing happens to him Yet reputable doctors who for 2 years have attempted to use repurposed drugs to treat Covid have lost their jobs and branded heretics. The world has truly turned upside down

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I am SO finished with the medical profession. I have 2 doctors who rebel against the status quo, and I love them for that.

This Marino character is the reason I’m finished; any trust I had was destroyed from the Covid lies we were (and still are being) told!!

P.S. Thank you Dr. Scott Atlas. You are a rare hero!!

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This "doctor" is an ass and no one should be following him or any of his stupid rants.

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If I remember correctly this mother was shaming other mothers and people that decided not to get vaccinated before her son went down….its horrible what her son has gone thru and even worse that doctors like this idiot UH doc has ridiculed and bullied here. She doesnt deserve it but I sure hope she’s learned a valuable lesson about medically shaming people for not wanting to put something in their body if they dont want to…..

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Having worked in a physicians office that had at one time up to 7 doctors, I can confirm. They’re all a special kind of stupid and always think they’re the smartest ones in the room. Insufferable. And it’s only going to get worse.

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It’s called arrogance

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Doctors only now what they are told. If you "trust your Doctor", you are a fool. You can do your own research and after a few days reading white papers, you'll know more about your specific health than your doctor will. Ask them open ended questions and just see how they repeat what they have been told - primarily by the Pharma rep that they met with.

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I was told a joke one time... A physician died and went to heaven, and St. Peter was showing him around, He noticed a person in medical scrubs working on a body. He asks, "What is that guy doing?" Saint Peter said, "Don't pay attention to that, it is just God, he thinks he is a doctor."

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Well........that's not the way I heard it.

My favorite joke for decades has been, "What's the difference between God and a doctor?"

Answer, "God doesn't think he's a doctor".

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Nolo Contendere

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He seems like an insufferable narcissist.

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is the left ever happy?

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I have never met a happy liberal. Not one. And they blame you for their misery.

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Obviously, Dr. Jen needs to go to school herself since she says the Congresswoman is "incredible uniformed". 😂

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So her uniform isn't credible?

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