Not a win for me! I am naturally immune, check my antibodies monthly and I will lose my teaching job of 22 years on October 18th in Washington State because I will not take the vaccine. It is 100% not medically necessary for me right now.
Thank you, Alex. Great reporting. Very happy to be a paid subscriber to your Substack. I have nothing to add except that I find what's going on to use this to control people in Australia, France, the UK, not to mention here in the US way more frightening than Covid.
I have been practically licking doorknobs for 16 months and nary a sniffle. I got an antibodies test and it was negative! Can someone please mail me an infected lollipop or what else do I have to do to catch the deadliest more virulent disease in history?
I think I'm up a creek without a paddle. Had not been vaxxed and am just recovered from having covid. Now I'm really afraid to get any of the vaccines as there are dire tales of bad reactions for those having natural immunity who get jabbed. Can't get on a cruise ship without a vaccine "passport," can't go out to eat in New York City, can't enroll in a course at many colleges. When will someone with some COMMON SENSE realize that your can't one-size-fits-all for 300 million+ persons!
Good news. Googled natural immunity and now first 4 entries reflect that it is more protective than vaccination including Science, Bloomberg, and Fortune. The talking MD heads haven’t got the message yet but they will.
WHY does every study contain this line, "The researchers also found that people who had SARS-CoV-2 previously and then received one dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccine were more highly protected against reinfection than those who once had the virus and were still unvaccinated." No study will conclude natural immunity is sufficient, it's as if they are scared to say so. Maybe I am content with my natural immunity and don't want to take *any* risk of taking a vaccine (because the side effects do seem to be greater when the previously infected are given the vaccine.)
Alex - your work is greatly appreciated (read: I signed up for a paid sub!). Solid, fact-based journalism, unfortunately, has become rare.
At some point, I'd love to have your insights on the various C-19 treatment options that are not being reported on in the MSM.
If one does find oneself with C-19 symptoms, immediately begin taking some for of C-19 treatment cocktail.
The goal is to avoid letting C-19 get severe. If C-19 gets severe AND you've got a comorbidity (or multiples), you're in for a potentially nasty experience. With early treatment, you most likely can avoid this.
If our Gov, Docs, etc...were sincerely trying to help us, they'd be all over treatments. Not so much on vaccinations.
I am the new, proud owner of natural immunity! I spent one day in the hospital last week, and today I took my dog on a 2.4 mile walk. Even though I haven't regained taste and smell, I'm feeling better every day. Where is my t-shirt? I want my t-shirt!
US is probably the only country in the world that doesn't recognize natural immunity. The evidence is piling up enough that even the corrupt pharma shills won't be able to suppress it for long. I especially like the January report "Lasting immunity found after recovery from COVID-19" from. NIAID web site. Apparently fauxi doesn't read his own reports.
The Blaze has an article this week "15 Studies Natural Immunity from Infection More Robust than COVID Vaccines" that summarizes and links a lot of evidence.
I've read that people who contracted SARS 17 years ago remain immune to both SARS and COVID. Since those two viruses are similar enough that scientists gave them the same name, it seems reasonable to believe that they'd generate similarly durable immunity.
"the second BNT162b2 vaccine dose results in a reduction of cellular immunity in COVID-19 recovered individuals, which suggests that a second dose, according to the current standard regimen of vaccination, may be not necessary in individuals previously infected with SARS-CoV-2."
Thanks for the great reporting. Wish there was more we could do. I will be losing my teaching job in Connecticut on 9/27. This will be my 15th year teaching and I have never had a mark on my file and have had all good reviews.
The sad part is, the community I teach in is very liberal so they make you feel like a villain/outcast for not getting the vax.
It’s a hard job to give up. Wish the union would do something but they keep saying it’s a law and there’s nothing they can do.
One of the most important derivative questions is...who's already had C19? Officially there are 215 million cases in the world, but this is too low. Many don't get tested (symptomatic or asymptotic). Also these tests don't test for t-cells, yet t-cells are more important and last longer.
This means many of these C19 rules are MADNESS! They are telling paper to wear mask, shut down businesses, get vaccinated, etc...when in all likelyhood they ALREADY had C19! That's shutting the barn door after the horse escaped. If the public were aware of the true infection rate and how widespread it was...that would do more to end our medical dictatorship than anything else. All these Covid-fascists are acting because they think they/we haven't gotten the disease yet when they likely already did.
Given that your body isn't going to produce antibodies absent an active encounter with the virus, even if you're not producing antibodies, there's nothing saying you haven't been infected and are now at least partially or fully immune. We're not constantly producing antibodies for measles or chicken pox although most of us have had or been vaccinated against both. That's my problem with the whole "testing for antibodies" schtick. I was tested. I didn't have any. But my husband was around someone who had COVID for an extended period of time, and this person ended up having a pretty bad case of it, and we're both fine. There are only two explanations for this: (1) We have bulletproof immune systems (which is doubtful) or (2) we had it at some point and carry immunity even if we're not actively producing antibodies. The second is more likely. Yet they still want to shove a vaccine on us. I know we're not alone in that position.
I just noticed the publication date on the Atlantic magazine’s Berenson is the « wrongest man » article. It is April 1, April Fool’s Day. Any significance there?
Upshot is that vaccinated individuals have much higher antibody titres at first than naturally infected individuals, but the titres decrease much more rapidly such that after three months (and thereafter) naturally acquired immunity is progressively more protective than vaccine-induced immunity.
My working theory has been that it is much easier for virus to evolve to beat the single-protein-targeting antibodies and B cells created by the vaccines (and that the mass vaccination program itself is causing the selective pressure for the virus to so evolve) than it is to evolve to beat the multi-protein-targeting antibodies and B cells created by natural immunity, which is why the vaccines are failing against the Delta and Lambda variants which exhibit mutations to the S protein targeted by the vaccines.
These guys throw some cold water on that idea however, noting that “The BNT162b2 mRNA COVID-19 vaccine has been shown to stimulate production of antibodies to several SARS-CoV-2 proteins, not just the spike protein, suggesting that the vaccine provides short-term protection against variant strains(Amanat et al., 2021; Turner et al., 2021b). Combining these results with ours suggests that the recent surge in breakthrough infections in fully vaccinated individuals is due at least in part to declining levels of antibodies and not solely due to the variant strains of SARS-CoV-2.” This is different from what I have read from
other studies, but assuming arguendo it is true, then there is still the puzzle of why titres decrease so much more quickly in vaccinated individuals than naturally infected individuals given that both routes appear to stimulate memory B cell production.
In any event however, regardless of the mechanism, none of this is inconsistent with the thesis that the way these vaccines work is to create a strong initial immune response to the spike protein (thus the high initial levels of antibodies), but generate antibodies that are either less robustly protective across mutations and/or that do not continue to be produced past a few months despite the creation of memory B cells, for some as yet unknown reason.
Given these facts, I conclude that:
(a) mass vaccination will fail quickly without routine boosters due to the rapid drop in antibody titres, and will also spur the development of vaccine resistant variants the same way mass prescription of antibiotics does, and
(b) creating a hyperactive immune response every few months to fight a disease that most people are at very little risk from is a terrible risk-reward tradeoff, as routinely creating the inflammation of a hyperactive immune response will inevitably create autoimmune issues like arthritis and thrombocytopenia, the latter of which is already a known if rare side effect of the first round of vaccines (see, e.g., https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8336989/). Worse, the risk of autoimmune issues will increase with each booster dose as the body suffers progressively more inflammation from the repeated strong immune responses.
Not a win for me! I am naturally immune, check my antibodies monthly and I will lose my teaching job of 22 years on October 18th in Washington State because I will not take the vaccine. It is 100% not medically necessary for me right now.
Thank you, Alex. Great reporting. Very happy to be a paid subscriber to your Substack. I have nothing to add except that I find what's going on to use this to control people in Australia, France, the UK, not to mention here in the US way more frightening than Covid.
I have been practically licking doorknobs for 16 months and nary a sniffle. I got an antibodies test and it was negative! Can someone please mail me an infected lollipop or what else do I have to do to catch the deadliest more virulent disease in history?
I think I'm up a creek without a paddle. Had not been vaxxed and am just recovered from having covid. Now I'm really afraid to get any of the vaccines as there are dire tales of bad reactions for those having natural immunity who get jabbed. Can't get on a cruise ship without a vaccine "passport," can't go out to eat in New York City, can't enroll in a course at many colleges. When will someone with some COMMON SENSE realize that your can't one-size-fits-all for 300 million+ persons!
Good news. Googled natural immunity and now first 4 entries reflect that it is more protective than vaccination including Science, Bloomberg, and Fortune. The talking MD heads haven’t got the message yet but they will.
WHY does every study contain this line, "The researchers also found that people who had SARS-CoV-2 previously and then received one dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccine were more highly protected against reinfection than those who once had the virus and were still unvaccinated." No study will conclude natural immunity is sufficient, it's as if they are scared to say so. Maybe I am content with my natural immunity and don't want to take *any* risk of taking a vaccine (because the side effects do seem to be greater when the previously infected are given the vaccine.)
Alex - your work is greatly appreciated (read: I signed up for a paid sub!). Solid, fact-based journalism, unfortunately, has become rare.
At some point, I'd love to have your insights on the various C-19 treatment options that are not being reported on in the MSM.
If one does find oneself with C-19 symptoms, immediately begin taking some for of C-19 treatment cocktail.
The goal is to avoid letting C-19 get severe. If C-19 gets severe AND you've got a comorbidity (or multiples), you're in for a potentially nasty experience. With early treatment, you most likely can avoid this.
If our Gov, Docs, etc...were sincerely trying to help us, they'd be all over treatments. Not so much on vaccinations.
I am the new, proud owner of natural immunity! I spent one day in the hospital last week, and today I took my dog on a 2.4 mile walk. Even though I haven't regained taste and smell, I'm feeling better every day. Where is my t-shirt? I want my t-shirt!
US is probably the only country in the world that doesn't recognize natural immunity. The evidence is piling up enough that even the corrupt pharma shills won't be able to suppress it for long. I especially like the January report "Lasting immunity found after recovery from COVID-19" from. NIAID web site. Apparently fauxi doesn't read his own reports.
The Blaze has an article this week "15 Studies Natural Immunity from Infection More Robust than COVID Vaccines" that summarizes and links a lot of evidence.
I feel safe from viruses, not from government.
I've read that people who contracted SARS 17 years ago remain immune to both SARS and COVID. Since those two viruses are similar enough that scientists gave them the same name, it seems reasonable to believe that they'd generate similarly durable immunity.
Two shots may actually hurt immunity in COVID recovered patients:
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.03.22.436441v1
"the second BNT162b2 vaccine dose results in a reduction of cellular immunity in COVID-19 recovered individuals, which suggests that a second dose, according to the current standard regimen of vaccination, may be not necessary in individuals previously infected with SARS-CoV-2."
Thanks for the great reporting. Wish there was more we could do. I will be losing my teaching job in Connecticut on 9/27. This will be my 15th year teaching and I have never had a mark on my file and have had all good reviews.
The sad part is, the community I teach in is very liberal so they make you feel like a villain/outcast for not getting the vax.
It’s a hard job to give up. Wish the union would do something but they keep saying it’s a law and there’s nothing they can do.
One of the most important derivative questions is...who's already had C19? Officially there are 215 million cases in the world, but this is too low. Many don't get tested (symptomatic or asymptotic). Also these tests don't test for t-cells, yet t-cells are more important and last longer.
In India, it's estimated that two-thirds of the population has C19 antibodies (https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/22/india/india-covid-antibodies-study-intl-hnk/index.html) and waaay back in Dec 2020, a Columbia study (https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-covid-infection-rate-study-20210826-7zcdvuvehrhjjpk7xy4uwes5di-story.html) said one-third of American's had C19. I suspect if we were to accurately do t-cell tests now, 90% of the populace already had C19.
This means many of these C19 rules are MADNESS! They are telling paper to wear mask, shut down businesses, get vaccinated, etc...when in all likelyhood they ALREADY had C19! That's shutting the barn door after the horse escaped. If the public were aware of the true infection rate and how widespread it was...that would do more to end our medical dictatorship than anything else. All these Covid-fascists are acting because they think they/we haven't gotten the disease yet when they likely already did.
Given that your body isn't going to produce antibodies absent an active encounter with the virus, even if you're not producing antibodies, there's nothing saying you haven't been infected and are now at least partially or fully immune. We're not constantly producing antibodies for measles or chicken pox although most of us have had or been vaccinated against both. That's my problem with the whole "testing for antibodies" schtick. I was tested. I didn't have any. But my husband was around someone who had COVID for an extended period of time, and this person ended up having a pretty bad case of it, and we're both fine. There are only two explanations for this: (1) We have bulletproof immune systems (which is doubtful) or (2) we had it at some point and carry immunity even if we're not actively producing antibodies. The second is more likely. Yet they still want to shove a vaccine on us. I know we're not alone in that position.
I just noticed the publication date on the Atlantic magazine’s Berenson is the « wrongest man » article. It is April 1, April Fool’s Day. Any significance there?
Great data here (albeit still a preprint):
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.19.21262111v1.full
Upshot is that vaccinated individuals have much higher antibody titres at first than naturally infected individuals, but the titres decrease much more rapidly such that after three months (and thereafter) naturally acquired immunity is progressively more protective than vaccine-induced immunity.
The puzzle is that both the vaccines and the virus seem to induce the creation of memory B cells (see, e.g., https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33858945/, primer on B cells here: https://www.verywellhealth.com/b-cells-2252132), and so should provide similar durable immunity — but they don’t.
My working theory has been that it is much easier for virus to evolve to beat the single-protein-targeting antibodies and B cells created by the vaccines (and that the mass vaccination program itself is causing the selective pressure for the virus to so evolve) than it is to evolve to beat the multi-protein-targeting antibodies and B cells created by natural immunity, which is why the vaccines are failing against the Delta and Lambda variants which exhibit mutations to the S protein targeted by the vaccines.
These guys throw some cold water on that idea however, noting that “The BNT162b2 mRNA COVID-19 vaccine has been shown to stimulate production of antibodies to several SARS-CoV-2 proteins, not just the spike protein, suggesting that the vaccine provides short-term protection against variant strains(Amanat et al., 2021; Turner et al., 2021b). Combining these results with ours suggests that the recent surge in breakthrough infections in fully vaccinated individuals is due at least in part to declining levels of antibodies and not solely due to the variant strains of SARS-CoV-2.” This is different from what I have read from
other studies, but assuming arguendo it is true, then there is still the puzzle of why titres decrease so much more quickly in vaccinated individuals than naturally infected individuals given that both routes appear to stimulate memory B cell production.
In any event however, regardless of the mechanism, none of this is inconsistent with the thesis that the way these vaccines work is to create a strong initial immune response to the spike protein (thus the high initial levels of antibodies), but generate antibodies that are either less robustly protective across mutations and/or that do not continue to be produced past a few months despite the creation of memory B cells, for some as yet unknown reason.
Given these facts, I conclude that:
(a) mass vaccination will fail quickly without routine boosters due to the rapid drop in antibody titres, and will also spur the development of vaccine resistant variants the same way mass prescription of antibiotics does, and
(b) creating a hyperactive immune response every few months to fight a disease that most people are at very little risk from is a terrible risk-reward tradeoff, as routinely creating the inflammation of a hyperactive immune response will inevitably create autoimmune issues like arthritis and thrombocytopenia, the latter of which is already a known if rare side effect of the first round of vaccines (see, e.g., https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8336989/). Worse, the risk of autoimmune issues will increase with each booster dose as the body suffers progressively more inflammation from the repeated strong immune responses.