I was just listening to a report about how wrong he was about HIV/AIDS… he shouldn’t be in charge of anything after that spectacular fail! He’s repeating the same mistakes he made back then AGAIN
Yep, Kary Mullis the PCR test inventor said in a video floating around from the 80's or 90's that Fauci is NOT a smart man. I think he's an extremely corrupt man, and his ties with Bill Gates going back many years should of gotten him fired/jailed a long time ago.
Medical Mafia is not an overstatement for these guys.
Go back and rewatch "Dallas Buyers Clu" and realize that Fauci is the villain of the piece! Why look for treatments for the 0.01% of the population that has an infection when you can sell a vaccine that 330 million people have to take? Now scale that globally...
Same mistakes but this time he also funded the gain of function research to create the problem that he has totally mismanaged. It's a win-win for the good Dr.!
In Fauci's case, they are not "mistakes"...everything he is doing is FULLY intentional...right down to funding the making of the virus itself. Makes one wonder....was Fauci behind the development of HIV, too? Sure wouldn't come as a surprise....
His mistakes don't seem to be mistakes as much as they resemble a well-structured business plan. None of what Fauci has done can be chalked up to good intentions gone wrong.
Fauci was involved in that scam and genocide, too. It was obviously a beta test for the "real deal" -- COVID. And here's evidence that the 2009 swine flu was yet another beta test: Joseph Moshe (MOSSAD Microbiologist): "Swine flu vaccine is bioweapon". That bit of news sure disappeared fast. https://archive.is/uqPmw
Arrogant people always repeat their mistakes. See our military. See both parties believing throwing more money at a problem will solve it. See homelessness as example. Just keep digging…..so what is he problem? Our academic system for one. Super flawed from grade school up. My family employed hundreds of college students over a decades. A handful have a degree worth having. The remainder pretty much doing the part time job they did in college and now they are nearing 40. Just awful.
HIV/AIDS is a giant rabbit hole. Nothing in the popular narrative is true - nothing. The cause of the deaths attributed to AIDS is/was multifactorial and complex.
No, but they did let it spread widely into the community. They lied about the sexual transmission if the virus being uncertain after they knew that was the primary means of spread. For an outstanding account read David Horowitz' memoir, "Radical Son." He describes what happened in the San Fransisco health depth and it's absolutely shocking.
We would have had herd immunity by now if we had let people live, supplied successful therapies that are readily available, and protected and isolated only those vulnerable and very ill. Instead both Trump and Biden gave this incompetent, double-talking fool undeserved power.
Penny, no politician seems to have the guts to say these vaccines are ineffective. Israel has acknowledged as much though their answer, stupidly is more shots. Instead we should be distributing Ivermectin which is proven as an incredibly successful drug. India did so in May and cases and deaths collapsed—it is also effective as a prophylactic. The only one I have heard promoting it is Australian member of Parliament, Craig Kelly, but few are listening.
I haven’t confirmed this yet, but I read today that Pfizer is coming out with a “new” covid drug you take twice a day while sick. Guess what the Ingredients are? Ivermectin & ibuprofen. It will be marketed under a new name and go for big $$$. This is disgusting if true. They withheld an effective and non costly treatment to make even more money.
Sorry, can't do that - The only people the vaccines and boosters benefit are the pharma companies and the politicians and agencies which they own, lock, stock, and needle. Since the makers and providers are 100% immunized from civil liability, including medical malpractice - see https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/LSB/LSB10443 - every booster shot - 500 million, say, at $20 each, is a $10 billion boost to the bottom line. Figure every six months or so for a new booster, and there’s huge cash flow.
Liability from vaccine injury is one thing. However, if by your actions you practiced medicine without a license and it caused the death of an individual, that is cause for a criminal not civil investigation. That is negligent homicide. It will take some group to take it up, especially against institutions and social media giants who have censored vital information on therapeutics that save lives.
actually, it's not ivermectin + ibuprofen. The ingredient is "PF-07321332 – an investigational orally administered protease inhibitor antiviral therapy"
I do not know if this is true. A few friends have sent tweets of images that suggest that they are. Here’s a link for what Pfizer is saying. The “protease inhibitor” they are talking about is rumored to be ivermectin. If you find anymore info I would love to see it.
The vaccines are effective. Not as perfect as some naively hope, but provide good protection for a while. The vaccines, like the virus itself, are very low risk for the population as a whole, though both have higher risk for a few. Maybe you. Probably not.
The important thing in any decision with potentially lethal consequences, is to get good information to base your decision on. The medical bureaucracy and their government bureaucrat pets have failed us miserably by withholding critical information in their drive to sell vaccines, patent meds, and hospital services. Not unexpected -- it's their business model. Permitting it is horrible malfeasance by government and journalists who we expect to keep us informed. Punishment is due, and will be administered.
The ultimate failure is the population has become too ignorant to understand what is being done to us. That will be harder to fix. Ignorance is the most pernicious pandemic, and builds on itself. The recent hysteria is primarily due to the failed education system.
Not true, look at the data charts from the WHO and John Hopkins; and the percentage hospitalized who are vaccinated. If that’s success I’d hate to see what failure looks like.
We don't see how many of the vaxed-infected were vaccinated early, many months ago. Apparently protection is good for a while, then fades. Protection that's less than you hoped is still protection.
We don't see how many of the vaxed-infected had morbidities that decrease their immune system. Vax isn't a magic cure, just a molecule to activate immune response without the illness. Those with weak immune that makes them vulnerable to the virus also won't develop immunity as strong as those who are healthier.
We don't see how many of the vaxed-infected have mild cases and are admitted for observation with no risk of serious complications.
There's a whole lot were not being told. We don't know yet if the information is being withheld due to poor data (incompetence) or poor motives (oppression or corruption). But we will. Either way, it's important that we fix it. The vax saved a lot of the weaklings. If they're still weak they might need more saving. But some just don't belong here. Nature makes sure they don't stay long.
This was not the first virus, despite the hysteria, and won't be the last. If we don't learn from this one, the next might be worse. Or the one after that...
I have sent a number of people the graphs correlating cases/deaths/vaccination rates, but on substack you can’t upload images. Iceland/Israel/USA/Australia all correlate, though in the USA, because of the large transmission in 2020, there are many more people with natural infection and thus long lasting immunity (at this point).
I would agree that the vaccines offer fleeting protection that will necessarily require regular boosters. Some people may require this level of protection, but certainly not most of us.
What I cannot agree with is that the vaccines are “very low risk.” There’s too much evidence to the contrary, not just in the now-discredited VAERS database (that was “credible” until 6 months ago), but also the plethora of testimony and real-world evidence coming from medical professionals who aren’t beholden to the Establishment. Once you understand how these vaccines “work,” it’s impossible to see them as anything but lethal in the short, medium, and long-term.
We need to be careful to not overemphasize raw numbers. The injury numbers seem high but when compared with hundreds of millions of injections they're still relatively small. Your risk from the vax remains very low. But for most of us the risk of covid is also very small, so the risk analysis comes down to mood. It's a discretionary choice, unless coerced by government, or employer, or businesses, or peer pressure.
But the risk of virus or vax can be higher for a few. Everyonecshould seek information of whether their condition raises that risk, and make the best informed, least emotional decision they can.
The exciting thing is tons of money is pouring into research. The risks are becoming better understood, and solutions are being identified. One new study found a link between age and B cell production that makes elderly more vulnerable, and hormone therapy to boost their immunity. Not a traditional vax, but accomplishes the same objectives. Exciting times. We're all going to live forever. Sadly, that will mean some will have longer to worry about things.
"The vaccines, like the virus itself, are very low risk for the population as a whole" How does anybody know that given a history of less than a year? It's quite unlike any previous vaccine. Who can know what happens several years from now? Where are the long term studies on the technology?
We never know all our risks. We try to watch out for immediate threats, and carry on. Worrying about the unknown is seldom useful. We can be sure many people will study every aspect of thos episode. Many will make a career of it. We'll learn a lot more. Usually we learn our worries we're unfounded.
In all my years of private practice (almost 50), I have never seen so many people with adverse reactions from a vaccines: strokes, tremors, severe tinnitus, severe malaise lasting weeks, brain fog…you name it. How the hell this has not been taken off the market is beyond me.
How many of the hundreds of millions vaccinated have NOT come to you for treatment? Most of them, probably. Large numbers can make tiny percentages seem worse than they are. Taking vaccines off the market would doom a lot more to suffering and death. Greater good should prevail in every risk calculation.
At first Trump was caught up in the panic of the scandemic. They convinced him that if he didn't act quickly, millions would die and of course every death would be his fault. And personally, I thought he handled things exceptionally well. The vaccines, as we understood them all the way back in 2020, meant they were going to be sterilizing, and that meant we could all go back to living our normal lives. Trump wanted that return to normalcy and to continue building the booming economy he was so proud of. I agree with you that now, with all that we know, taking credit for these vaccines and the mandates and passports that now seem to go with them, is a really bad idea. I don't think Trump is on board with mandates, but he's still invested in the vaccine because his ego is attached to them and because he doesn't seem to have the data and their dangers and lack of efficacy. I would expect him to be fully briefed on that, assuming he has any well-informed people around him.
Trump was resisted, ignored, and opposed throughout by an entrenched bureaucracy bent on sedition -- even the generals who are sworn to obey, and the civilian bureaucracies were worse. He did a lot of good, but no one can correct decades of undermining democracy in one term. Or at all, unless the changes include restoring the failed education system.
Developing competing vaccines was the correct, rational, and prudent approach. He fostered openness which would have provided necessary information to decide whether we need it and it's worth the risk. Joe stopped that, and shifted government power to dictatorial demands.
Trump gave us a break from the headlong destruction of America. We blew the opportunity.
Poor Donnie the helpless RETARD. Cut me a break. His ideologues are nearly as bad as the woke leftists. The 'booming" economy was a bubble. And every time it started to deflate (which I know you morons don't understand, but it needs to happen)
He whined to Powell about MORE MONEY PRINTING.
Barrett was a horrific appointee.
The list goes on and on and on. When will you people finally look in the mirror and accept the truth.
Trump did a lot of good for this country and I believe had good intentions. He has too much of an ego to admit how bad this is. Warp Speed was a huge mistake.
He campaigned 2016 like he was FDR on roids. Big beautiful this, big beautiful that. All these pure Keynesian public works projects. Plus all the new defense dollars.
"The theory of aggregated production, which is the point of the following book, nevertheless can be much easier adapted to the conditions of a totalitarian state [eines totalen Staates] than the theory of production and distribution of a given production put forth under conditions of free competition and a large degree of laissez-faire. This is one of the reasons that justifies the fact that I call my theory a general theory."
JM Keynes 1932
So it is hardly a surprise that he wouldn't jump all over the chance to create a brand new Public-Private partnership. Called "Operation Warp Speed"
Not to brag, but I did call him a "cheap money, gun grabbing, pointless loud mouth Manhattanite whore" back in 2016. All of it turned out to be true, btw.
Now Hillary is a horrible human being, (that is going to burn in hell, seriously she is).
I can remember back as far as Eisenhower (showing my age). Most U.S. Presidents have been severely flawed individuals. Perhaps seeking a Presidency attracts those sort, suffering with Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
He is in on the deal. I am really tired of hearing "poor Donald" he made some BAD mistakes. Stacking mistakes on top of each other is not a sign of incompetence, it was the sign of a trend. All of it bad.
You are mostly correct. Trump did a handful of good things. Raise tensions with China. Embarrassed the Davos crowd. Started to begin reshoring manufacturing. Didn't go with the climate scam. The vaccine stuff is total crap though. Should have cut all funding to Fauci and handled the scam more like Desantis
Gore, Clintons, and Bushes are all the same. Is Trump? Other than his celebrity like status and rubbing shoulders with them he doesn't seem to have ever been involved. I don't know though. It is certainly possible. I don't really like the theory because it drove suspicion and I don't think they like that. The USA is very split. Afghanistan collapsing and covid con isn't doing much to draw the other half of the USA in. If anything they needed Trump on board to manage that split to bring in the Great Reset. Trump specifically opposed it when he went to Davos. He didn't have to do that if he was really in on it. If Desantis didn't stand up I think the USA would be in a much tougher place right now. I think there would have been a lot of conflict in the Southern states and a lot of tension. The other Republican led states followed suit and the democrat states backed off. This is why the USA is so further away from the Great Reset than the rest of the world. I don't see how they are going to pull it off. They either need to release a much deadly virus to scare compliance or get Trump/Desantis in office and have them pull the Right along. We'll see in the near future. They can't get give up. They will hang if they don't succeed. There is no off ramp for them.
Would you rather die on a ventilator? Most of us won't, but a few are at high risk. They need the vax. The error is the dictatorial demands that everyone accept the vax whether they need it or not. That's all joe, not Trump.
Life is full of tradeoffs, not all are good choices. Life sucks, then you die. Enjoy while you can.
No one needs this so-called “vaccine” that creates 3-mos immunity. There’s a reason the CDC changed the definition of “vaccine” on Sept 1.
If pharmacies weren’t restricting the dispensing of Ivermectin, government actively encouraged the use of Vitamin D, A, and other supplements in addition to a healthy diet and lifestyle, and we spent money aggressively pursuing other treatments, this “pandemic” would be in our rear view mirror.
But opportunists and power mongers don’t want this to happen.
Safety is always an illusion. Always. Those who dont want 3-6 months of protection should skip it. Most will be fine. Some won't. Those who are vulnerable would be much better off taking the vax. The important thing is to make that decision based on competent risk analysis, not emotion. Some fear the virus so much they're herded to vax they probably don't need. Some fear the medicine so much they'll be herded to avoid the vax, even though some will need it.
Those who expect perfection are often disappointed.
At the time the vaccines were being developed, it was unknown whether they would be risky, and to whom. At the time, consensus estimates were for very high risk from the virus. Developing vaccines was responsible and rational.
Since then, we've learned a lot more about who is vulnerable to the virus, and why, and how to avoid those vulnerabilities, and what risks are presented by the vaccines, and to whom, and why. The error is the medical bureaucracy has suppressed information about the risks, both from the virus and the vaccines, incorrectly demanding everyone take the vax whether they need it or not. Most don't. The political error, from Trump and Joe, is accepting the demands from the medical bureaucracy. Trump favored openness so people could decide for themselves, the correct approach. Joe's approach has been no questions asked directives to bend over and take it.
Many people are vulnerable to the virus due to decades of poor decisions that damaged the natural immunity that protects most of us. They should take the vax. Many don't know their vulnerabilities. They should take the vax. The risk is very low from the virus and the vax for almost all of us. We need to demand the government inform us of the risks, and punish those who withheld it for 18 months.
Yes, we definitely need to demand transparency so that Americans, of all ages and risk levels, can assess their risk. As it stands, I am not confident that the risk is very low because I sincerely believe that adverse effects are being se weeks under-reported.
Studies have shown that VAERS represents approximately 1% of all actual injuries. If that’s the case, then there has been harm to tens of millions of Americans, which is far in excess, on a pro rata basis, to the harm caused by any other vaccine, and completely disproportionate to the risk the virus poses to the vast majority of people. That said, I do agree with you that the vaccine has more benefit than cost to some people, but even those people should be free to determine whether they think the risk makes sense.
Lots of people injured with cars and kitchen knives, yet we use them anyway. Overreacting to risks can be counterproductive. The politicization of medicine in recent years has been more destructive to our society than many people realize. That's driven by growing public expectations for risk free existence, and hopes that government will provide us safe spaces.
I’m sure it’s not that easy to fire America’s doctor without a good reason . He was already getting so much bad press from msm for everything else . No clue why he kept him but that’s different from hiring him .
Pro- or anti- vax is the wrong consideration. The only rational question for any medicine is whether the risk of taking it is less than the risk of not taking it. Most people have very low risk from virus and from vax, so it's mostly a question of convenience for most of us. A few have higher risk from the virus, and a few have higher risk from the vax. The government seems to be hiding those risks from us.
If we did that and had population wide immunity by now how would our imperial political class expand their dictatorial powers or enrich Wall Streets' biggest drug dealers?
I would argue he was in place and Trump had no choice. Republicans and democrats were all against him. He agreed to 2 weeks. He never agreed to this bs. Biden on the other hand loves people being stranded and dependent on government that always fails them. Back during the 2009 recession, a black woman who worked for GM, as did her husband was interviewed about how she feels about political parties. She said republicans expect people to pull themselves up by the bootstraps and soldier on. She said that is not possible. She needs government to do much of the heavy lifting. In her life, her husband hurt his knee and was out of disability. GM closed a plant where she worked and now she was commuting. Life was awful she felt. My husband for 15 years commuted to a neighboring state and traveled constantly. We owned a farm and also had a biz in the city. I was exhausted, maybe got 4 hrs of sleep a night, but never looked to government to relieve the decisions I made. How does government pay for stuff. Taxes. Who is being taxed? Those working. Every time taxes are raised, another group of workers fall into poverty. There is a tipping point.
In some ways the pandemic is almost over. Blood donations are one of ways we're getting honest assessments of who's had C19 and who hasn't. A recent JAMA study based on these tests says that 80% of Americans had C19 antibodies. Why is nobody talking about this? https://gizmodo.com/blood-donor-study-estimates-over-80-of-american-adults-1847613622 Instead everybody is terrified they will get C19...when chances are they already got it.
Here in California, my husband donated blood and asked if they check for and would tell him if he has antibodies. He was told that they do check for them, but are no longer able to give that information out. Why wouldn't they tell him? Seems like important information.
Fun fact. I went for an antibody test in August to shut up my shrieking "you still have to get the shot" friends and family. I tested positive for antibodies (no surprise), as did the rest of my family members. I just got a notice from my insurance company the other day that the cost wasn't covered because the procedure wasn't "medically necessary". Imagine that - we're in a global pandemic, and my insurance company doesn't think that its important for me to know if I have active antibodies against Covid. Wouldn't that be pertinent information for anyone, including vaccinated people? But yet they'll pay $39,000 to slap someone on a ventilator and blow their lungs out.
Why haven't we had free and widespread antibody testing since the beginning of the damndemic, instead of free and widespread erroneous covid testing/ vaccines? Bueller? Fauci? Bueller?
My daughter is in the Marine Corps. I just read the MARADMIN requiring vaccinations. They specifically say that natural immunity doesn't count. "A history of COVID-19 disease and/or positive serology, (antibody testing), is not a valid exemption from COVID-19 vaccination." All that proof of natural antibodies being superior and still being forced to take the "vax"
She needs to find out who else in her squadron, in her Air wing. Doesn't want to do it. And resign in mass. The gutsy move would be to flat out refuse. I know of a major, that is going to tell them to pound sand after 14 years of service. In many ways your daughter is lucky. The kids that maintain her bird, are not allowed to quit.
It doesn't matter what they state. They're using intimidation and misinformation to force compliance. Under RFRA they have to make reasonable accommodation, or prove that compliance is mission critical. They can't because it isn't, especially considering that she already had Covid and is now naturally immune. AR 40-562 of 2013 exempts any service member of any branch of the military from vaccinations if the service member has a documented previous infection. Couple that with the fact that this "vaccine" is still under the EUA, not FDA approval, although I according to the article I posted earlier, the judge in the case seems to be laboring under the illusion that it's FDA approved. Of course, the system is hopelessly corrupt and a win isn't guaranteed, but it's worth fighting for, in my opinion. It's up to your daughter to determine that for herself though.
A 100% VA disability rating is around $3300/month. It will take her a decade to get the VA to approve her claim, if they even do. Can she support herself if she can't work for a decade or longer? Can she live on 3300 bucks a month? Of course they can also rate her in 10% increments, each increment is worth approximately $145 per month. It's not a matter of if, but when this experiment, biology altering concoction. Does most people in.
I have not asked her for her decision. She is well aware of all the information. She is an attack helicopter pilot - Cobra. The decision is immense. My husband and I are fearful for her, but it must be her decision. : (
The new strategy is to marginalize or discredit natural immunity. I've already seen an increase in the media pushing this narrative. There can't be any reason someone would not get vaccinated.... that is not anywhere in the playbook.
I'm not sure if that's detecting actual infection antibodies or just vaccine induced antibodies. The question is how many have natural antibodies. This can be distinguished.
The study submitted to JAMA already covered that exact point. "After the vaccination campaign began in December 2020, the team added a second test to differentiate positive antibody results as either infection- or vaccine-induced (both vaccination and infection compel the body to produce antibodies to the virus’ spike protein, but infection also generates a response to other parts of the virus)."
I note this article says that most Americans have immunity based on vaccination. But this immunity will be short-lived because the vaccine was designed to address the spike protein alone, not the other 27 elements of the virus. The boosters are already giving us a strong indication of just how short-lived this so-called immunity is.
The question we need to ask is how many Americans have antibodies based on prior infection? That’s the only immunity that really matters because it’s the only immunity that will last. Vaccine immunity is an illusion.
Fauci is very consistent in his prognostication failures.
But he still has a job and does not appear to be paying any price for his ineptitude.
Meanwhile, the ‘feckless, dementia-ridden piece of crap' who occupies the Oval has plans...or someone has plans...for how to fight the virus going forward. For sure, it will have implications for your freedom. Be prepared to resist.
Worst part is the suppression of the data showing the " vaccines' " failure rates. Too many people still buy the "pandemic of the unvaccinated" line. Wake up, people!
You know, there needs to be a Nuremberg level investigation and tribunal into this whole Covid thing, it's origins and the response to it. It would just about take a revolution to get it, though. Govts all over the world are utterly up to their eyeballs in the corruption and sleaze that gave rise to this whole mess.
Fauci get away with a lot of bullshit. I blame our elected officials, b/c of the questions they ask him when given the opportunity.
Whenever he makes his pronouncements, do any senators/congressman ask him, "what studies have you seen that lead you to say that?" The follow-ups should be, "what studies did you review that reached the opposite conclusion?" "Why did you adopt the conclusions you did, over the conclusions of the opposing study?"
Rand Paul started asking these kinds of questions, but kind of late in the game.
Fauci, the Mastermind behind the Wuhan lab Bio weapon. The same man in charge of the Vaccines and yet still has a job. One of the Highest Paid Federal employee.
Anyone looking at the case count via Worldometers, John H U and any number of other daily counters...comparing this 1st week of September,2021 to the same week last September can clearly
see that the vaccines are NOT working !! Anywhere from 4 to 5 times the cases today than the same time last year,and that's with 63% Adults fully vaxxed. Except maybe Fauci, who's busy putting on lipstick for his next MSM interview declaring the end will be soon because , you know, the covid vaccines are so awesome !!
I agree with you, the vaccines aren't working. That said...
One of my interests is trying to figure out what the trends are telling us. Two states next to each other have very different trends. Same thing with two neighboring nations. A nation that has a low peak now had a high peak the same time last year. And so on. There are many more variables than seasonality, locality, etc.
The virus produces trends that defy anyone's capacity (or at least, my capacity) to make conclusions.
In New Jersey - 7 day average daily cases have been roughly 2,000 for a couple of weeks now. This time last year, that number was 300 - 400. Average daily deaths were in the 7-10 range this time last year. They are now in the 14 - 20 range.
NJ is one of the most highly vaccinated states in the country. And yet we have 4-5X the number of cases and 1.5X the number of deaths vs. the same time last year. Early on, they tried to take credit for the case decline from the peak in January by attributing it to the vaccines. Only problem? By Mid-February, cases had declined by 50%, but only 5% of the state was considered fully vaccinated. This virus is entirely seasonal, and the vaccine has done NOTHING to curb the spread. The data from the UK indicates that a) the delta variant is less lethal than the original strain for both vaxxed and unvaxxed and b) The vaccine leads to better outcomes in older people for an undetermined period of time, while doing almost nothing for the young and healthy (who tend to have good outcomes already).
This whole thing has been one long game of three card monte.
The theme is the same whether discussing Lyme assessment and treatment, alternative solutions to mental illness, Burzynski’s cancer treatment, COVID-19 treatment. Power, not utility is in control. As long as the FDA, CDC, NIH, Big Pharma, Media maintain their hegemony, the public’s medical needs will be bypassed in the pursuit of profits. On the COVID issue alone, hundreds of thousands could have been saved with an early outpatient treatment program. But, like in the time of Semmelweis, when the professionals simply couldn’t admit they were killing patients by not washing their hands, today the medical establishment can’t realize that they are committing crimes against humanity in the pursuit of profits with their nihilistic “wait until you turn blue” approach to treatment. https://beyondmentalillness.com/are-you-better-off-now-than-you-were-20-months-ago/
If Fauci was the head of a company, the shareholders would have removed him long ago. How someone so incompetent has any standing and garners a high six-figure salary, is beyond me.
Not if it were a private company. Shareholders are always interested in their own windfalls, everyone/thing else is collateral. Why did 3 billionaires (of public companies) just become "astronauts"? Imagine pulling that stunt 5 years ago. Where are we heading as a species....? From my perspective ...more "privatized"...rich getting richer, poor getting poorer. The 2 party system - a Janus man. And only the US and NZ allow Pharma to market directly to the public. This is a farce a long time in the making. All roads lead to the mRNA shot. The Kool-Aid only works if everyone drinks it.
Are they not one and the same? Who got invited to Obama's birthday party? X reference them with Sun Valley Billionaires Camp. There are "corporate" (institutional) share issues and before that there are "private" placement share issues. It's like a pyramid scheme. You are in at the top, or you are losing further down the ladder. And losses are a tax write off! Win-win. We regular folks are getting the short end of the stick (low on the pyramid) since the early Eighties. They found a formula that works (for them) and stick to it. Reference any pop music song right now. And AI is incoming!
That JAMA blood donor study referenced below needs to be shouted from the rooftoops. It proves the vaccines are *a best worthless* for preventing infection and transmission. That JAMA study compared July 2020 to May 2021. It was finished before the current third infection wave.
If I'm interpreting it right, 20.2% of the population (adjusted from the sample of blood donors, of course) had infection-induced antibodies, and 80.3% had "combined infection and vaccine antibodies). I assume that the 20% is part of the 80%, but I may be missing something.
At any rate, remember the simple herd immunity formula (1 - 1/R0), which is the fraction of the population that must be immune to suppress infection spread. For 80.3%, that is an R0 of 5.88. Anything not greater than that would be suppressed.
So, there is proof that the vaccines are worthless. The third wave wouldn't have happened like it has.
This JAMA study is certainly narrative shattering. Stunning. 20% Acquired immunity and 60% induced immunity (vaccine) as of the month of May 2021 for a combined 80% immunity. There was no significant Delta spread at all at May 31. 12,400 total infections reported June 1, 2021.
We know the 20% had lasting and durable acquired immunity against Delta. There was no possible way the US could have gone from 12,000 infections a day 6/1 to nearly 200,000 a day in late August without massive vaccination breakthrough. Herd immunity through vaccination is pure fantasy. We'll get there the old fashioned way it seems.
Mtracy wrote "We'll get there the old fashioned way it seems."
We need to, but it seems the data in the JAMA sero prevalence study supports the position that the leaky "vaccine" is a major factor in the U.S. population NOT reaching durable herd immunity already, and fatally so for tens of thousands of people (who were "vaccinated". What is the CDC saying the R transmission rate is currently for COVID? Have they ever accurately and objectively defined and reported it? Something has never added up about this.
Vaccination does change the natural immunity profile -- several papers have shown this. It shifts the immune recognition profile toward the spike and away from the other epitopes. I have read reports of people who were tested as Covid positive back in 2020, got vaccinated, and then got infected again, meaning that vaccination ruins natural immunity. That ought to be looked at very carefully. But they don't want to look.
I would like to look at the immune profile of the breakthrough vaxxed cases and compare that to regular uncompromised natural immunity. Do you still have memory (OAS like behavior) of the inferior vax immunity?
And now, throw the "boosters" into all that mix. What does that do to that picture? I've read reports of "double breakthroughs" in Israel. I don't know how much that happens. Again, it would be nice if honest people actually investigated this to find the truth.
Here is a great (although technical) article on OAS. Highlights:
“This is not a problem if the memory response produces neutralizing antibodies to antigens associated with the secondary exposure; however, problems do arise if memory B cells produce non-neutralizing antibodies to the antigens shared between primary and secondary exposures as reported recently in humans exposed to related human coronaviruses (hCoVs) and later infected with SARS-CoV-2 (7, 8).... Therefore, if memory B cells respond to an infection with a related but antigenically distant pathogen, the memory response can not only be ineffective but possibly diminish the effectiveness of naive B cells capable of producing neutralizing antibodies (5).
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Infection with one of the four dengue serotypes elicits a neutralizing antibody response to that serotype only (28). Such antibodies not only are generally nonneutralizing to the other three serotypes but can also worsen outcomes by accelerating dengue virus uptake into human cells via the mechanism of antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE).”
Based on this, and given that the COVID-19 vaccine only targets the spike protein — a single element of a total of 28 elements of the virus — it appears the variants of the “original” antigen could become increasingly lethal to the vaccinated because they have B cells that have developed non-netutralizing antibodies. I’m not sure how “antigentically distant” is defined, but it sounds like the later the variant, the more lethal it (potentially) is; their response to Zeta will be worse than their response to Delta, and Omega could be horrible.
Dr. Ryan Cole (in Idaho) spoke of this recently. He claims that you’re better off not having been introduced to a virus before than having been introduced to a virus and creating “bad” antibodies.
I’m no “Science Expert,” but my intuition has always been to face any variant head-on with my innate immune system than prime it with whatever non-neutralizing shit is in that vaccine.
I agree. I think it's increasingly clear that we were basically almost at herd immunity in May - back when the vaccines were still fresh and the cases were going down, which combined with the natural immunity caused rates to plummet.
But then, we lost it - due to a combination of the vaccines wearing off and then perhaps also killing the natural immunity in folks who had it. The latter is my greater fear, but I'm not sure true yet - yes, we know of folks who have had it twice, but those stories seem very few (I know a ton of people who have had it and no one has had it twice, yet I know several who were vaxxed and got it) so my HOPE is that the natural immunity is still there even among those who got vaxxed.
But, my point here is that I think we had herd immunity for a brief period - or were on the way there - only to have the virus hang around long enough (Delta) for it to infect folks who had the vax.
What I'm really worried about is if a vax resistant variant appears, thanks to leaky vaccine selection pressure, that becomes an ADE variant. One where the vax antibodies actually become enhancing. Worse that worthless by a long shot, IOW.
I read something by Robert Malone saying that "ADE" is actually a very specific mechanism, and we ought to use the more general VED/VEI for vaccine-enhance disease or vaccine-enhanced infection to cover the whole, more general spectrum of how inferior vaccines can enhance the virus.
I'm seeing a few reports an anecdotes claiming that such signals are already in the data. I don't know if they're true, or even if so if it's more than a few.
The best thing to do is stop this mass vaccination (Vanden Bossche has said as much) right now. Concentrate on therapeutics on the most at risk. We'll get out of this, or our natural immune system at the species level will. If we stop trying to "help" with the vaccines and boosters.
I'm worried what the boosters will do, and the plans for updated spike boosters to target the Delta (or whatever) variant. I think that's what Pfizer is going to do.
And the reported reinfection count in Israel remained very low despite the fact that many previously infected individuals were vaccinated. Long term, who knows whether natural immunity will hold up post-vaxx. I certainly wouldn't *want* to take the chance, myself.
They have said that R0 of delta is "about 6". That's very high, and I've seen rebuttals of that. If you make assumptions about how well the vaccines perform to reduce transmission, you come up with an insanely high R0. If you don't, and realize the vaccines are worthless at best, your R0 is not so high.
At this point, I don't believe any official numbers out of the government and public health agencies anymore. Everything is suspect.
Note that "at best" part. I believe it's actually worse than that, and they are make it worse, the only question is how much worse. Vanden Bossche has said much the same -- that each leaky vaccine cycle will "reset" us away from natural herd immunity, and so our natural species immune system has to start over, or at a previous position, increasing the cost each time.
Thank you for both of your replies, they are very helpful. I'm not an epidemiologist, but I can see that the CDC has a floating evidentiary standard, regularly grabbing statements out of their rear ends, just one example being the R0 of delta is "about 6" (effing impossible), yet dismissing any rebuttal sent to them which doesn't contain RCT and peer-reviewed support. Then, all the while driving an unsupported vaccine narrative which is causing hundreds of thousands of people to LOSE THEIR JOBS because they will not take a non-consensual, mandatory injection into their body (assault) for which no objective measure of efficacy and safety is even being presented. It's not crazy, it's criminally mendacious. Who or what has the ethical leaders of this country captured?
What was Doktor Fauxci's original herd immunity threshold, 70%? Or was it 75%? We need to get 70% of the population vaccinated and we'll be there. R0 of 3 is 2/3 (67%), R0 of 4 is 3/4 (75%). So we can figure he was basing that on some high-end estimates of Covid at Ro of 3 -4, which agrees with some of the initial estimates. Obviously, that was bullshit, as the vaccines don't work. But that gives the original thinking.
I think in some of the FOIA emails, he admitted he was high-balling and the 70% was just to try to encourage enough people to get vaccinated to get him to his real, actual R0 estimate, which may have been around 2 - 3.
Anyway, I've read some analysis of the Indian experience, where Delta first originated, that conclude that the R0 of Delta, while maybe a little higher than the original Wuhan Classic virus, is nowhere near 6.
You only get 6 if you assume vaccine high vax infection efficacy. Which we know is bullshit.
I was just listening to a report about how wrong he was about HIV/AIDS… he shouldn’t be in charge of anything after that spectacular fail! He’s repeating the same mistakes he made back then AGAIN
Yep, Kary Mullis the PCR test inventor said in a video floating around from the 80's or 90's that Fauci is NOT a smart man. I think he's an extremely corrupt man, and his ties with Bill Gates going back many years should of gotten him fired/jailed a long time ago.
Medical Mafia is not an overstatement for these guys.
Mullis referred to Fauci as a "fraudulent scientist".
He is using the same playbook but the payout is considerably higher!$$$$$$$
Yes!!
Yes, and I think he genuinely loves it now, he isn’t about narcissism alone, there is a sociopathic element as well…
He's the personification of evil.
Kind of like a suspect helping the search party.
National Geographic has gotten too political, Not the magazine it once was.
Go back and rewatch "Dallas Buyers Clu" and realize that Fauci is the villain of the piece! Why look for treatments for the 0.01% of the population that has an infection when you can sell a vaccine that 330 million people have to take? Now scale that globally...
Fauci is gonna make El Chapo look like some punk with a lemonade stand.
I think he more than accomplished this!
Seems deliberate to me. He figured out how to successfully sabotage cheap effective treatments earlier…now he implements the real deal.
Same mistakes but this time he also funded the gain of function research to create the problem that he has totally mismanaged. It's a win-win for the good Dr.!
In Fauci's case, they are not "mistakes"...everything he is doing is FULLY intentional...right down to funding the making of the virus itself. Makes one wonder....was Fauci behind the development of HIV, too? Sure wouldn't come as a surprise....
In 200 years he might be recognized as the most successful mass murderer in human history.
His mistakes don't seem to be mistakes as much as they resemble a well-structured business plan. None of what Fauci has done can be chalked up to good intentions gone wrong.
Read this free archived copy of the 1994 book _Deadly Deception: The Proof that Sex and HIV Absolutely do not Cause AIDS_ by Robert E. Willner, MD, PhD. https://archive.org/details/deadly-deception-robert-willner
Fauci was involved in that scam and genocide, too. It was obviously a beta test for the "real deal" -- COVID. And here's evidence that the 2009 swine flu was yet another beta test: Joseph Moshe (MOSSAD Microbiologist): "Swine flu vaccine is bioweapon". That bit of news sure disappeared fast. https://archive.is/uqPmw
Arrogant people always repeat their mistakes. See our military. See both parties believing throwing more money at a problem will solve it. See homelessness as example. Just keep digging…..so what is he problem? Our academic system for one. Super flawed from grade school up. My family employed hundreds of college students over a decades. A handful have a degree worth having. The remainder pretty much doing the part time job they did in college and now they are nearing 40. Just awful.
Wikileaks email "And as I've mentioned, we've all
been quite content to demean government, drop civics and in general conspire
to produce an unaware and compliant citizenry. The unawareness remains
strong but compliance is obviously fading rapidly." https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/3599
Cue Forrest: stupid is as stupid does…
HIV/AIDS is a giant rabbit hole. Nothing in the popular narrative is true - nothing. The cause of the deaths attributed to AIDS is/was multifactorial and complex.
Silence & Obey!
Kind of like the suspect helping the search party.
That’s a great analogy! That guy is beyond crooked
Except with HIV he didn’t actually fund research that caused the epidemic.
There was no AIDS epidemic, it's a complete con from start to finish.
Right this time he learned from the past and upped his game!
No, but they did let it spread widely into the community. They lied about the sexual transmission if the virus being uncertain after they knew that was the primary means of spread. For an outstanding account read David Horowitz' memoir, "Radical Son." He describes what happened in the San Fransisco health depth and it's absolutely shocking.
And just like in Jurassic park he's also making all new mistakes too.
We would have had herd immunity by now if we had let people live, supplied successful therapies that are readily available, and protected and isolated only those vulnerable and very ill. Instead both Trump and Biden gave this incompetent, double-talking fool undeserved power.
I completely agree. Sweden has shown it can be done.
I can't understand Trump pushing the "vaccine", both creating it and distributing it. He is still pushing getting the shot. I don't get it.
Penny, no politician seems to have the guts to say these vaccines are ineffective. Israel has acknowledged as much though their answer, stupidly is more shots. Instead we should be distributing Ivermectin which is proven as an incredibly successful drug. India did so in May and cases and deaths collapsed—it is also effective as a prophylactic. The only one I have heard promoting it is Australian member of Parliament, Craig Kelly, but few are listening.
I haven’t confirmed this yet, but I read today that Pfizer is coming out with a “new” covid drug you take twice a day while sick. Guess what the Ingredients are? Ivermectin & ibuprofen. It will be marketed under a new name and go for big $$$. This is disgusting if true. They withheld an effective and non costly treatment to make even more money.
Someone needs to take them to court along with others for negligent homicide.
Sorry, can't do that - The only people the vaccines and boosters benefit are the pharma companies and the politicians and agencies which they own, lock, stock, and needle. Since the makers and providers are 100% immunized from civil liability, including medical malpractice - see https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/LSB/LSB10443 - every booster shot - 500 million, say, at $20 each, is a $10 billion boost to the bottom line. Figure every six months or so for a new booster, and there’s huge cash flow.
Liability from vaccine injury is one thing. However, if by your actions you practiced medicine without a license and it caused the death of an individual, that is cause for a criminal not civil investigation. That is negligent homicide. It will take some group to take it up, especially against institutions and social media giants who have censored vital information on therapeutics that save lives.
The booster comes with liability unlike the EUA vaccine.
actually, it's not ivermectin + ibuprofen. The ingredient is "PF-07321332 – an investigational orally administered protease inhibitor antiviral therapy"
Refer to this https://cdn.pfizer.com/pfizercom/2021-09/First_Participant_Dosed_in_Phase_2_3.pdf?xngrygl6i_kDXWrJtM7ixP65qQ6ZXOK0
Essentially Pfizer knows the "vaccine" really isn't going to work in the long run?
Are those really the ingredients?? Do you have a link?
I do not know if this is true. A few friends have sent tweets of images that suggest that they are. Here’s a link for what Pfizer is saying. The “protease inhibitor” they are talking about is rumored to be ivermectin. If you find anymore info I would love to see it.
https://www.pfizer.com/science/coronavirus/antiviral-efforts
They do have an antiviral in the works. Not sure about the Ivermectin part but the antiviral is being worked on.
Yep - https://streamfortyseven.substack.com/p/that-new-protease-inhibitor-that
Another fat revenue stream for pharma and their government enablers. They thrive on our fear and ignorance.
I wouldn’t doubt it…
The vaccines are effective. Not as perfect as some naively hope, but provide good protection for a while. The vaccines, like the virus itself, are very low risk for the population as a whole, though both have higher risk for a few. Maybe you. Probably not.
The important thing in any decision with potentially lethal consequences, is to get good information to base your decision on. The medical bureaucracy and their government bureaucrat pets have failed us miserably by withholding critical information in their drive to sell vaccines, patent meds, and hospital services. Not unexpected -- it's their business model. Permitting it is horrible malfeasance by government and journalists who we expect to keep us informed. Punishment is due, and will be administered.
The ultimate failure is the population has become too ignorant to understand what is being done to us. That will be harder to fix. Ignorance is the most pernicious pandemic, and builds on itself. The recent hysteria is primarily due to the failed education system.
Not true, look at the data charts from the WHO and John Hopkins; and the percentage hospitalized who are vaccinated. If that’s success I’d hate to see what failure looks like.
We don't see how many of the vaxed-infected were vaccinated early, many months ago. Apparently protection is good for a while, then fades. Protection that's less than you hoped is still protection.
We don't see how many of the vaxed-infected had morbidities that decrease their immune system. Vax isn't a magic cure, just a molecule to activate immune response without the illness. Those with weak immune that makes them vulnerable to the virus also won't develop immunity as strong as those who are healthier.
We don't see how many of the vaxed-infected have mild cases and are admitted for observation with no risk of serious complications.
There's a whole lot were not being told. We don't know yet if the information is being withheld due to poor data (incompetence) or poor motives (oppression or corruption). But we will. Either way, it's important that we fix it. The vax saved a lot of the weaklings. If they're still weak they might need more saving. But some just don't belong here. Nature makes sure they don't stay long.
This was not the first virus, despite the hysteria, and won't be the last. If we don't learn from this one, the next might be worse. Or the one after that...
https://rightsfreedoms.wordpress.com/2021/05/12/covid-fraud-lawyers-medical-experts-start-legal-proceedings-against-w-h-o-and-world-leaders-for-crimes-against-humanity/
I have sent a number of people the graphs correlating cases/deaths/vaccination rates, but on substack you can’t upload images. Iceland/Israel/USA/Australia all correlate, though in the USA, because of the large transmission in 2020, there are many more people with natural infection and thus long lasting immunity (at this point).
I would agree that the vaccines offer fleeting protection that will necessarily require regular boosters. Some people may require this level of protection, but certainly not most of us.
What I cannot agree with is that the vaccines are “very low risk.” There’s too much evidence to the contrary, not just in the now-discredited VAERS database (that was “credible” until 6 months ago), but also the plethora of testimony and real-world evidence coming from medical professionals who aren’t beholden to the Establishment. Once you understand how these vaccines “work,” it’s impossible to see them as anything but lethal in the short, medium, and long-term.
We need to be careful to not overemphasize raw numbers. The injury numbers seem high but when compared with hundreds of millions of injections they're still relatively small. Your risk from the vax remains very low. But for most of us the risk of covid is also very small, so the risk analysis comes down to mood. It's a discretionary choice, unless coerced by government, or employer, or businesses, or peer pressure.
But the risk of virus or vax can be higher for a few. Everyonecshould seek information of whether their condition raises that risk, and make the best informed, least emotional decision they can.
The exciting thing is tons of money is pouring into research. The risks are becoming better understood, and solutions are being identified. One new study found a link between age and B cell production that makes elderly more vulnerable, and hormone therapy to boost their immunity. Not a traditional vax, but accomplishes the same objectives. Exciting times. We're all going to live forever. Sadly, that will mean some will have longer to worry about things.
"The vaccines, like the virus itself, are very low risk for the population as a whole" How does anybody know that given a history of less than a year? It's quite unlike any previous vaccine. Who can know what happens several years from now? Where are the long term studies on the technology?
We never know all our risks. We try to watch out for immediate threats, and carry on. Worrying about the unknown is seldom useful. We can be sure many people will study every aspect of thos episode. Many will make a career of it. We'll learn a lot more. Usually we learn our worries we're unfounded.
In all my years of private practice (almost 50), I have never seen so many people with adverse reactions from a vaccines: strokes, tremors, severe tinnitus, severe malaise lasting weeks, brain fog…you name it. How the hell this has not been taken off the market is beyond me.
How many of the hundreds of millions vaccinated have NOT come to you for treatment? Most of them, probably. Large numbers can make tiny percentages seem worse than they are. Taking vaccines off the market would doom a lot more to suffering and death. Greater good should prevail in every risk calculation.
We are living through the Battlestar Galactica reboot - there will be no likable characters by the end.
I'm afraid you might be right.
At first Trump was caught up in the panic of the scandemic. They convinced him that if he didn't act quickly, millions would die and of course every death would be his fault. And personally, I thought he handled things exceptionally well. The vaccines, as we understood them all the way back in 2020, meant they were going to be sterilizing, and that meant we could all go back to living our normal lives. Trump wanted that return to normalcy and to continue building the booming economy he was so proud of. I agree with you that now, with all that we know, taking credit for these vaccines and the mandates and passports that now seem to go with them, is a really bad idea. I don't think Trump is on board with mandates, but he's still invested in the vaccine because his ego is attached to them and because he doesn't seem to have the data and their dangers and lack of efficacy. I would expect him to be fully briefed on that, assuming he has any well-informed people around him.
Unless you’re privy to Trump’s private thoughts and motivations, you just contoured up a boatload of assumptions, my friend.
Trump MUST know Fauci’s involvement with Gates and HIV/AIDS. *I* do. Or maybe he hadn’t been briefed on that, either?
And, FTR, I didn’t vote for the other one.
Trump had a sit down with Gates in 2018. He complimented him, and was on board with the Gates agenda. Thanks for playing.
Trump was resisted, ignored, and opposed throughout by an entrenched bureaucracy bent on sedition -- even the generals who are sworn to obey, and the civilian bureaucracies were worse. He did a lot of good, but no one can correct decades of undermining democracy in one term. Or at all, unless the changes include restoring the failed education system.
Developing competing vaccines was the correct, rational, and prudent approach. He fostered openness which would have provided necessary information to decide whether we need it and it's worth the risk. Joe stopped that, and shifted government power to dictatorial demands.
Trump gave us a break from the headlong destruction of America. We blew the opportunity.
Well just Zip-a-dee-doo-dah!
Poor Donnie the helpless RETARD. Cut me a break. His ideologues are nearly as bad as the woke leftists. The 'booming" economy was a bubble. And every time it started to deflate (which I know you morons don't understand, but it needs to happen)
He whined to Powell about MORE MONEY PRINTING.
Barrett was a horrific appointee.
The list goes on and on and on. When will you people finally look in the mirror and accept the truth.
HE WAS HORRIBLE ON PURPOSE!
Check your hinges, dude. They seem to be coming loose.
I am a cool as the other side of the pillow, buddy. Knowing and more importantly telling the truth. Puts a gentleman at ease.
You're no gentleman and take my word on the DW-40 for the hinges.
ALL OF THIS IS BS, triggie.
Trump did a lot of good for this country and I believe had good intentions. He has too much of an ego to admit how bad this is. Warp Speed was a huge mistake.
He was mislead by a lot of so-called experts.
Well I don't know.
He campaigned 2016 like he was FDR on roids. Big beautiful this, big beautiful that. All these pure Keynesian public works projects. Plus all the new defense dollars.
"The theory of aggregated production, which is the point of the following book, nevertheless can be much easier adapted to the conditions of a totalitarian state [eines totalen Staates] than the theory of production and distribution of a given production put forth under conditions of free competition and a large degree of laissez-faire. This is one of the reasons that justifies the fact that I call my theory a general theory."
JM Keynes 1932
So it is hardly a surprise that he wouldn't jump all over the chance to create a brand new Public-Private partnership. Called "Operation Warp Speed"
Not to brag, but I did call him a "cheap money, gun grabbing, pointless loud mouth Manhattanite whore" back in 2016. All of it turned out to be true, btw.
Now Hillary is a horrible human being, (that is going to burn in hell, seriously she is).
Some choice.
Ain't democracy grand?
I can remember back as far as Eisenhower (showing my age). Most U.S. Presidents have been severely flawed individuals. Perhaps seeking a Presidency attracts those sort, suffering with Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
Yes they are.
It's a horrible system for a supposed free country.
#marginalizethepresidency
He is in on the deal. I am really tired of hearing "poor Donald" he made some BAD mistakes. Stacking mistakes on top of each other is not a sign of incompetence, it was the sign of a trend. All of it bad.
You are mostly correct. Trump did a handful of good things. Raise tensions with China. Embarrassed the Davos crowd. Started to begin reshoring manufacturing. Didn't go with the climate scam. The vaccine stuff is total crap though. Should have cut all funding to Fauci and handled the scam more like Desantis
He was duped IMO
Gore, Clintons, and Bushes are all the same. Is Trump? Other than his celebrity like status and rubbing shoulders with them he doesn't seem to have ever been involved. I don't know though. It is certainly possible. I don't really like the theory because it drove suspicion and I don't think they like that. The USA is very split. Afghanistan collapsing and covid con isn't doing much to draw the other half of the USA in. If anything they needed Trump on board to manage that split to bring in the Great Reset. Trump specifically opposed it when he went to Davos. He didn't have to do that if he was really in on it. If Desantis didn't stand up I think the USA would be in a much tougher place right now. I think there would have been a lot of conflict in the Southern states and a lot of tension. The other Republican led states followed suit and the democrat states backed off. This is why the USA is so further away from the Great Reset than the rest of the world. I don't see how they are going to pull it off. They either need to release a much deadly virus to scare compliance or get Trump/Desantis in office and have them pull the Right along. We'll see in the near future. They can't get give up. They will hang if they don't succeed. There is no off ramp for them.
May you live in interesting times.
I voted for Trump but I'm not in a cult. Trump needs to kill his Frankenstein vaccine or I will support someone who will.
Would you rather die on a ventilator? Most of us won't, but a few are at high risk. They need the vax. The error is the dictatorial demands that everyone accept the vax whether they need it or not. That's all joe, not Trump.
Life is full of tradeoffs, not all are good choices. Life sucks, then you die. Enjoy while you can.
No one needs this so-called “vaccine” that creates 3-mos immunity. There’s a reason the CDC changed the definition of “vaccine” on Sept 1.
If pharmacies weren’t restricting the dispensing of Ivermectin, government actively encouraged the use of Vitamin D, A, and other supplements in addition to a healthy diet and lifestyle, and we spent money aggressively pursuing other treatments, this “pandemic” would be in our rear view mirror.
But opportunists and power mongers don’t want this to happen.
Safety is always an illusion. Always. Those who dont want 3-6 months of protection should skip it. Most will be fine. Some won't. Those who are vulnerable would be much better off taking the vax. The important thing is to make that decision based on competent risk analysis, not emotion. Some fear the virus so much they're herded to vax they probably don't need. Some fear the medicine so much they'll be herded to avoid the vax, even though some will need it.
Those who expect perfection are often disappointed.
At the time the vaccines were being developed, it was unknown whether they would be risky, and to whom. At the time, consensus estimates were for very high risk from the virus. Developing vaccines was responsible and rational.
Since then, we've learned a lot more about who is vulnerable to the virus, and why, and how to avoid those vulnerabilities, and what risks are presented by the vaccines, and to whom, and why. The error is the medical bureaucracy has suppressed information about the risks, both from the virus and the vaccines, incorrectly demanding everyone take the vax whether they need it or not. Most don't. The political error, from Trump and Joe, is accepting the demands from the medical bureaucracy. Trump favored openness so people could decide for themselves, the correct approach. Joe's approach has been no questions asked directives to bend over and take it.
Many people are vulnerable to the virus due to decades of poor decisions that damaged the natural immunity that protects most of us. They should take the vax. Many don't know their vulnerabilities. They should take the vax. The risk is very low from the virus and the vax for almost all of us. We need to demand the government inform us of the risks, and punish those who withheld it for 18 months.
Yes, we definitely need to demand transparency so that Americans, of all ages and risk levels, can assess their risk. As it stands, I am not confident that the risk is very low because I sincerely believe that adverse effects are being se weeks under-reported.
Studies have shown that VAERS represents approximately 1% of all actual injuries. If that’s the case, then there has been harm to tens of millions of Americans, which is far in excess, on a pro rata basis, to the harm caused by any other vaccine, and completely disproportionate to the risk the virus poses to the vast majority of people. That said, I do agree with you that the vaccine has more benefit than cost to some people, but even those people should be free to determine whether they think the risk makes sense.
Lots of people injured with cars and kitchen knives, yet we use them anyway. Overreacting to risks can be counterproductive. The politicization of medicine in recent years has been more destructive to our society than many people realize. That's driven by growing public expectations for risk free existence, and hopes that government will provide us safe spaces.
He hired Fauci and crammed 5G down our throats, too.
Fauci was in his position before trump
Excuse me: he KEPT him.
You ever tried to fire a civil servant? Really hard.
I think he wasn't allowed to? He could have cut his funding though.
I’m sure it’s not that easy to fire America’s doctor without a good reason . He was already getting so much bad press from msm for everything else . No clue why he kept him but that’s different from hiring him .
Typical politics from Trump. Don’t blame him that was his plan to get re-elected.
If they can't get elected, they can't do the job. Then you get Joe.
I think he realizes alot of conservatives are pro-vax.
Pro- or anti- vax is the wrong consideration. The only rational question for any medicine is whether the risk of taking it is less than the risk of not taking it. Most people have very low risk from virus and from vax, so it's mostly a question of convenience for most of us. A few have higher risk from the virus, and a few have higher risk from the vax. The government seems to be hiding those risks from us.
If we did that and had population wide immunity by now how would our imperial political class expand their dictatorial powers or enrich Wall Streets' biggest drug dealers?
I would argue he was in place and Trump had no choice. Republicans and democrats were all against him. He agreed to 2 weeks. He never agreed to this bs. Biden on the other hand loves people being stranded and dependent on government that always fails them. Back during the 2009 recession, a black woman who worked for GM, as did her husband was interviewed about how she feels about political parties. She said republicans expect people to pull themselves up by the bootstraps and soldier on. She said that is not possible. She needs government to do much of the heavy lifting. In her life, her husband hurt his knee and was out of disability. GM closed a plant where she worked and now she was commuting. Life was awful she felt. My husband for 15 years commuted to a neighboring state and traveled constantly. We owned a farm and also had a biz in the city. I was exhausted, maybe got 4 hrs of sleep a night, but never looked to government to relieve the decisions I made. How does government pay for stuff. Taxes. Who is being taxed? Those working. Every time taxes are raised, another group of workers fall into poverty. There is a tipping point.
That wasn't the point of the scamdemic.
True. The "experts" made things far worse.
https://markoshinskie8de.substack.com/p/coronavirus-lockdown-mask-and-vaccine
In some ways the pandemic is almost over. Blood donations are one of ways we're getting honest assessments of who's had C19 and who hasn't. A recent JAMA study based on these tests says that 80% of Americans had C19 antibodies. Why is nobody talking about this? https://gizmodo.com/blood-donor-study-estimates-over-80-of-american-adults-1847613622 Instead everybody is terrified they will get C19...when chances are they already got it.
Here in California, my husband donated blood and asked if they check for and would tell him if he has antibodies. He was told that they do check for them, but are no longer able to give that information out. Why wouldn't they tell him? Seems like important information.
Not surprising in CA. They want to hide any and all hope outside of vaccines.
#whenallyouhaveistheNeedle_everyonelookslikeaPinCushion
"We just want your blood. We don't have time for your questions. We're all in this together."
Fun fact. I went for an antibody test in August to shut up my shrieking "you still have to get the shot" friends and family. I tested positive for antibodies (no surprise), as did the rest of my family members. I just got a notice from my insurance company the other day that the cost wasn't covered because the procedure wasn't "medically necessary". Imagine that - we're in a global pandemic, and my insurance company doesn't think that its important for me to know if I have active antibodies against Covid. Wouldn't that be pertinent information for anyone, including vaccinated people? But yet they'll pay $39,000 to slap someone on a ventilator and blow their lungs out.
Total Clown World. Honk Honk!
Why haven't we had free and widespread antibody testing since the beginning of the damndemic, instead of free and widespread erroneous covid testing/ vaccines? Bueller? Fauci? Bueller?
It's like when they run the PCR test and have the CT numbers but won't tell anyone.
Keeping those secrets is a strong sign of malfeasance.
You could have stopped at hole
My daughter is in the Marine Corps. I just read the MARADMIN requiring vaccinations. They specifically say that natural immunity doesn't count. "A history of COVID-19 disease and/or positive serology, (antibody testing), is not a valid exemption from COVID-19 vaccination." All that proof of natural antibodies being superior and still being forced to take the "vax"
I hope she will find another vocation. Especially if she plans to have children.
She needs to find out who else in her squadron, in her Air wing. Doesn't want to do it. And resign in mass. The gutsy move would be to flat out refuse. I know of a major, that is going to tell them to pound sand after 14 years of service. In many ways your daughter is lucky. The kids that maintain her bird, are not allowed to quit.
Soldier, Marine lawsuit challenges mandatory COVID vaccinations for those who’ve had the virus https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2021/09/03/soldier-marine-lawsuit-challenges-mandatory-covid-vaccinations-for-those-whove-had-the-virus/ It seems like a solid lawsuit, but while it's working its way through the courts, your daughter could plead a religious exemption since all the "vaccines" are dependent on aborted fetal stem cell lines.
Unfortunately MARADMIN states no religious exemption. 😔
It doesn't matter what they state. They're using intimidation and misinformation to force compliance. Under RFRA they have to make reasonable accommodation, or prove that compliance is mission critical. They can't because it isn't, especially considering that she already had Covid and is now naturally immune. AR 40-562 of 2013 exempts any service member of any branch of the military from vaccinations if the service member has a documented previous infection. Couple that with the fact that this "vaccine" is still under the EUA, not FDA approval, although I according to the article I posted earlier, the judge in the case seems to be laboring under the illusion that it's FDA approved. Of course, the system is hopelessly corrupt and a win isn't guaranteed, but it's worth fighting for, in my opinion. It's up to your daughter to determine that for herself though.
Here's a link to the RFRA https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/Documents/DD/issuances/dodi/130017p.pdf
This might be helpful as well https://www.justice.gov/crt/page/file/1006786/download
A 100% VA disability rating is around $3300/month. It will take her a decade to get the VA to approve her claim, if they even do. Can she support herself if she can't work for a decade or longer? Can she live on 3300 bucks a month? Of course they can also rate her in 10% increments, each increment is worth approximately $145 per month. It's not a matter of if, but when this experiment, biology altering concoction. Does most people in.
Is she planning on refusing and leaving?
I have not asked her for her decision. She is well aware of all the information. She is an attack helicopter pilot - Cobra. The decision is immense. My husband and I are fearful for her, but it must be her decision. : (
Good luck to her. Just remind her that she can still fly for a private company without the military
Early on in the pandemic the military didn't want anyone who had a history of covid... Remember that ?
I didn't know that! 😲
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2020/05/06/coronavirus-survivors-banned-from-joining-the-military/
The new strategy is to marginalize or discredit natural immunity. I've already seen an increase in the media pushing this narrative. There can't be any reason someone would not get vaccinated.... that is not anywhere in the playbook.
Because vaccines are big business, it stopped being about health over a year ago now it is about $ & control.
I'm not sure if that's detecting actual infection antibodies or just vaccine induced antibodies. The question is how many have natural antibodies. This can be distinguished.
The study submitted to JAMA already covered that exact point. "After the vaccination campaign began in December 2020, the team added a second test to differentiate positive antibody results as either infection- or vaccine-induced (both vaccination and infection compel the body to produce antibodies to the virus’ spike protein, but infection also generates a response to other parts of the virus)."
Thanks -- I'm going to read that. If you've got natural immunity, you're good. Don't fornicate it up by taking a jab or a booster.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2784013
20.2% for infection-induced antibodies and 83.3% for combined infection- and vaccine-induced antibodies in May 2021.
I didn't know that. Much Thanks
I note this article says that most Americans have immunity based on vaccination. But this immunity will be short-lived because the vaccine was designed to address the spike protein alone, not the other 27 elements of the virus. The boosters are already giving us a strong indication of just how short-lived this so-called immunity is.
The question we need to ask is how many Americans have antibodies based on prior infection? That’s the only immunity that really matters because it’s the only immunity that will last. Vaccine immunity is an illusion.
2 weeks to flatten the curve=>2 years to flatten the earth…
They are going to cull us. Won't be an issue
Fauci is very consistent in his prognostication failures.
But he still has a job and does not appear to be paying any price for his ineptitude.
Meanwhile, the ‘feckless, dementia-ridden piece of crap' who occupies the Oval has plans...or someone has plans...for how to fight the virus going forward. For sure, it will have implications for your freedom. Be prepared to resist.
The war continues.
He isn't inept. He is great at waging war against humanity and not even generating significant oushback
Worst part is the suppression of the data showing the " vaccines' " failure rates. Too many people still buy the "pandemic of the unvaccinated" line. Wake up, people!
True.
https://markoshinskie8de.substack.com/p/coronavirus-lockdown-mask-and-vaccine
You know, there needs to be a Nuremberg level investigation and tribunal into this whole Covid thing, it's origins and the response to it. It would just about take a revolution to get it, though. Govts all over the world are utterly up to their eyeballs in the corruption and sleaze that gave rise to this whole mess.
I volunteer for jury duty!👋
Fauci get away with a lot of bullshit. I blame our elected officials, b/c of the questions they ask him when given the opportunity.
Whenever he makes his pronouncements, do any senators/congressman ask him, "what studies have you seen that lead you to say that?" The follow-ups should be, "what studies did you review that reached the opposite conclusion?" "Why did you adopt the conclusions you did, over the conclusions of the opposing study?"
Rand Paul started asking these kinds of questions, but kind of late in the game.
The rest of them don't have a clue what to ask.
Ya Rand Paul and Jim Jordan. The Dems like what’s going on
I was hoping someone said Rand. Senator Paul has grilled him
Fauci, the Mastermind behind the Wuhan lab Bio weapon. The same man in charge of the Vaccines and yet still has a job. One of the Highest Paid Federal employee.
Anyone looking at the case count via Worldometers, John H U and any number of other daily counters...comparing this 1st week of September,2021 to the same week last September can clearly
see that the vaccines are NOT working !! Anywhere from 4 to 5 times the cases today than the same time last year,and that's with 63% Adults fully vaxxed. Except maybe Fauci, who's busy putting on lipstick for his next MSM interview declaring the end will be soon because , you know, the covid vaccines are so awesome !!
I agree with you, the vaccines aren't working. That said...
One of my interests is trying to figure out what the trends are telling us. Two states next to each other have very different trends. Same thing with two neighboring nations. A nation that has a low peak now had a high peak the same time last year. And so on. There are many more variables than seasonality, locality, etc.
The virus produces trends that defy anyone's capacity (or at least, my capacity) to make conclusions.
I expect it you studied influenza or the common cold closely you'd see similarly random-seeming patterns. It's just what viruses do.
Amen. But there's money to be made on vaxxes.
https://markoshinskie8de.substack.com/p/coronavirus-lockdown-mask-and-vaccine
It is a bioweapon. That is the difference
In New Jersey - 7 day average daily cases have been roughly 2,000 for a couple of weeks now. This time last year, that number was 300 - 400. Average daily deaths were in the 7-10 range this time last year. They are now in the 14 - 20 range.
NJ is one of the most highly vaccinated states in the country. And yet we have 4-5X the number of cases and 1.5X the number of deaths vs. the same time last year. Early on, they tried to take credit for the case decline from the peak in January by attributing it to the vaccines. Only problem? By Mid-February, cases had declined by 50%, but only 5% of the state was considered fully vaccinated. This virus is entirely seasonal, and the vaccine has done NOTHING to curb the spread. The data from the UK indicates that a) the delta variant is less lethal than the original strain for both vaxxed and unvaxxed and b) The vaccine leads to better outcomes in older people for an undetermined period of time, while doing almost nothing for the young and healthy (who tend to have good outcomes already).
This whole thing has been one long game of three card monte.
Making it up as he goes along. Like it's just one big lab experiment...
The theme is the same whether discussing Lyme assessment and treatment, alternative solutions to mental illness, Burzynski’s cancer treatment, COVID-19 treatment. Power, not utility is in control. As long as the FDA, CDC, NIH, Big Pharma, Media maintain their hegemony, the public’s medical needs will be bypassed in the pursuit of profits. On the COVID issue alone, hundreds of thousands could have been saved with an early outpatient treatment program. But, like in the time of Semmelweis, when the professionals simply couldn’t admit they were killing patients by not washing their hands, today the medical establishment can’t realize that they are committing crimes against humanity in the pursuit of profits with their nihilistic “wait until you turn blue” approach to treatment. https://beyondmentalillness.com/are-you-better-off-now-than-you-were-20-months-ago/
If Fauci was the head of a company, the shareholders would have removed him long ago. How someone so incompetent has any standing and garners a high six-figure salary, is beyond me.
Not if it were a private company. Shareholders are always interested in their own windfalls, everyone/thing else is collateral. Why did 3 billionaires (of public companies) just become "astronauts"? Imagine pulling that stunt 5 years ago. Where are we heading as a species....? From my perspective ...more "privatized"...rich getting richer, poor getting poorer. The 2 party system - a Janus man. And only the US and NZ allow Pharma to market directly to the public. This is a farce a long time in the making. All roads lead to the mRNA shot. The Kool-Aid only works if everyone drinks it.
You're mistaking "privatized" with "corporatized". The difference is a hugely bloated government in bed with the latter.
And I wish I was on your beach....
Are they not one and the same? Who got invited to Obama's birthday party? X reference them with Sun Valley Billionaires Camp. There are "corporate" (institutional) share issues and before that there are "private" placement share issues. It's like a pyramid scheme. You are in at the top, or you are losing further down the ladder. And losses are a tax write off! Win-win. We regular folks are getting the short end of the stick (low on the pyramid) since the early Eighties. They found a formula that works (for them) and stick to it. Reference any pop music song right now. And AI is incoming!
Fauci has no cred, his past has led to many dead. Now it’s herd in Spring of 22, yeah, right - let’s see what comes after mu.
:-D
That JAMA blood donor study referenced below needs to be shouted from the rooftoops. It proves the vaccines are *a best worthless* for preventing infection and transmission. That JAMA study compared July 2020 to May 2021. It was finished before the current third infection wave.
Read over it carefully:
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2784013
If I'm interpreting it right, 20.2% of the population (adjusted from the sample of blood donors, of course) had infection-induced antibodies, and 80.3% had "combined infection and vaccine antibodies). I assume that the 20% is part of the 80%, but I may be missing something.
At any rate, remember the simple herd immunity formula (1 - 1/R0), which is the fraction of the population that must be immune to suppress infection spread. For 80.3%, that is an R0 of 5.88. Anything not greater than that would be suppressed.
So, there is proof that the vaccines are worthless. The third wave wouldn't have happened like it has.
This JAMA study is certainly narrative shattering. Stunning. 20% Acquired immunity and 60% induced immunity (vaccine) as of the month of May 2021 for a combined 80% immunity. There was no significant Delta spread at all at May 31. 12,400 total infections reported June 1, 2021.
We know the 20% had lasting and durable acquired immunity against Delta. There was no possible way the US could have gone from 12,000 infections a day 6/1 to nearly 200,000 a day in late August without massive vaccination breakthrough. Herd immunity through vaccination is pure fantasy. We'll get there the old fashioned way it seems.
Mtracy wrote "We'll get there the old fashioned way it seems."
We need to, but it seems the data in the JAMA sero prevalence study supports the position that the leaky "vaccine" is a major factor in the U.S. population NOT reaching durable herd immunity already, and fatally so for tens of thousands of people (who were "vaccinated". What is the CDC saying the R transmission rate is currently for COVID? Have they ever accurately and objectively defined and reported it? Something has never added up about this.
Vaccination does change the natural immunity profile -- several papers have shown this. It shifts the immune recognition profile toward the spike and away from the other epitopes. I have read reports of people who were tested as Covid positive back in 2020, got vaccinated, and then got infected again, meaning that vaccination ruins natural immunity. That ought to be looked at very carefully. But they don't want to look.
I would like to look at the immune profile of the breakthrough vaxxed cases and compare that to regular uncompromised natural immunity. Do you still have memory (OAS like behavior) of the inferior vax immunity?
And now, throw the "boosters" into all that mix. What does that do to that picture? I've read reports of "double breakthroughs" in Israel. I don't know how much that happens. Again, it would be nice if honest people actually investigated this to find the truth.
As usual, your observations resonate with me.
Here is a great (although technical) article on OAS. Highlights:
“This is not a problem if the memory response produces neutralizing antibodies to antigens associated with the secondary exposure; however, problems do arise if memory B cells produce non-neutralizing antibodies to the antigens shared between primary and secondary exposures as reported recently in humans exposed to related human coronaviruses (hCoVs) and later infected with SARS-CoV-2 (7, 8).... Therefore, if memory B cells respond to an infection with a related but antigenically distant pathogen, the memory response can not only be ineffective but possibly diminish the effectiveness of naive B cells capable of producing neutralizing antibodies (5).
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Infection with one of the four dengue serotypes elicits a neutralizing antibody response to that serotype only (28). Such antibodies not only are generally nonneutralizing to the other three serotypes but can also worsen outcomes by accelerating dengue virus uptake into human cells via the mechanism of antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE).”
Based on this, and given that the COVID-19 vaccine only targets the spike protein — a single element of a total of 28 elements of the virus — it appears the variants of the “original” antigen could become increasingly lethal to the vaccinated because they have B cells that have developed non-netutralizing antibodies. I’m not sure how “antigentically distant” is defined, but it sounds like the later the variant, the more lethal it (potentially) is; their response to Zeta will be worse than their response to Delta, and Omega could be horrible.
Dr. Ryan Cole (in Idaho) spoke of this recently. He claims that you’re better off not having been introduced to a virus before than having been introduced to a virus and creating “bad” antibodies.
I’m no “Science Expert,” but my intuition has always been to face any variant head-on with my innate immune system than prime it with whatever non-neutralizing shit is in that vaccine.
https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/mSphere.00056-21
I agree. I think it's increasingly clear that we were basically almost at herd immunity in May - back when the vaccines were still fresh and the cases were going down, which combined with the natural immunity caused rates to plummet.
But then, we lost it - due to a combination of the vaccines wearing off and then perhaps also killing the natural immunity in folks who had it. The latter is my greater fear, but I'm not sure true yet - yes, we know of folks who have had it twice, but those stories seem very few (I know a ton of people who have had it and no one has had it twice, yet I know several who were vaxxed and got it) so my HOPE is that the natural immunity is still there even among those who got vaxxed.
But, my point here is that I think we had herd immunity for a brief period - or were on the way there - only to have the virus hang around long enough (Delta) for it to infect folks who had the vax.
What I'm really worried about is if a vax resistant variant appears, thanks to leaky vaccine selection pressure, that becomes an ADE variant. One where the vax antibodies actually become enhancing. Worse that worthless by a long shot, IOW.
I read something by Robert Malone saying that "ADE" is actually a very specific mechanism, and we ought to use the more general VED/VEI for vaccine-enhance disease or vaccine-enhanced infection to cover the whole, more general spectrum of how inferior vaccines can enhance the virus.
I'm seeing a few reports an anecdotes claiming that such signals are already in the data. I don't know if they're true, or even if so if it's more than a few.
That is my fear.
I hope you're right there.
The best thing to do is stop this mass vaccination (Vanden Bossche has said as much) right now. Concentrate on therapeutics on the most at risk. We'll get out of this, or our natural immune system at the species level will. If we stop trying to "help" with the vaccines and boosters.
I'm worried what the boosters will do, and the plans for updated spike boosters to target the Delta (or whatever) variant. I think that's what Pfizer is going to do.
And the reported reinfection count in Israel remained very low despite the fact that many previously infected individuals were vaccinated. Long term, who knows whether natural immunity will hold up post-vaxx. I certainly wouldn't *want* to take the chance, myself.
They have said that R0 of delta is "about 6". That's very high, and I've seen rebuttals of that. If you make assumptions about how well the vaccines perform to reduce transmission, you come up with an insanely high R0. If you don't, and realize the vaccines are worthless at best, your R0 is not so high.
At this point, I don't believe any official numbers out of the government and public health agencies anymore. Everything is suspect.
Note that "at best" part. I believe it's actually worse than that, and they are make it worse, the only question is how much worse. Vanden Bossche has said much the same -- that each leaky vaccine cycle will "reset" us away from natural herd immunity, and so our natural species immune system has to start over, or at a previous position, increasing the cost each time.
Thank you for both of your replies, they are very helpful. I'm not an epidemiologist, but I can see that the CDC has a floating evidentiary standard, regularly grabbing statements out of their rear ends, just one example being the R0 of delta is "about 6" (effing impossible), yet dismissing any rebuttal sent to them which doesn't contain RCT and peer-reviewed support. Then, all the while driving an unsupported vaccine narrative which is causing hundreds of thousands of people to LOSE THEIR JOBS because they will not take a non-consensual, mandatory injection into their body (assault) for which no objective measure of efficacy and safety is even being presented. It's not crazy, it's criminally mendacious. Who or what has the ethical leaders of this country captured?
Are you doubting the experts?
https://markoshinskie8de.substack.com/p/coronavirus-lockdown-mask-and-vaccine
What was Doktor Fauxci's original herd immunity threshold, 70%? Or was it 75%? We need to get 70% of the population vaccinated and we'll be there. R0 of 3 is 2/3 (67%), R0 of 4 is 3/4 (75%). So we can figure he was basing that on some high-end estimates of Covid at Ro of 3 -4, which agrees with some of the initial estimates. Obviously, that was bullshit, as the vaccines don't work. But that gives the original thinking.
I think in some of the FOIA emails, he admitted he was high-balling and the 70% was just to try to encourage enough people to get vaccinated to get him to his real, actual R0 estimate, which may have been around 2 - 3.
Anyway, I've read some analysis of the Indian experience, where Delta first originated, that conclude that the R0 of Delta, while maybe a little higher than the original Wuhan Classic virus, is nowhere near 6.
You only get 6 if you assume vaccine high vax infection efficacy. Which we know is bullshit.
And then there’s Sweden.
Funny you mention that - I almost added that graph.