The terms of this ceasefire couldn't be better for Hamas. Unless (and this is unlikely) Israel has reached secret side deals with Arab countries to destroy Hamas, it has made a terrible mistake.
My first thought when I heard about this was thank God hostages will be freed. My second thought was -- wait -- now every terrorist group will be emboldened to kidnap INNOCENT PEOPLE (not soldiers) in order to exchange them for CRIMINALS. It's horrific and now it'll happen again because it worked. I'm so sad.
Alex is letting his anti-Bibi colors show again. When the people of Israel voted against Bibi several times, they were doing so by buying into the same type of choice Alex is decrying here: the left wing position that Israel didn't have the right to exist. Biden is being two faced, yet Alex supports him.
p.s. I am concerned that you can't teach a (not so) old NYT reporter new tricks. For some things he'll think outside the box, but here not evaluate who has had moral clarity on Israel and other things for centuries and who (hint, the left) has only been after power, control, and cash.
For the most part, I agree with Allison. The deal was a terrible one and the only way I can see Israel agreeing was due to being forced by the Biden Administration. Israel cannot survive, as much independent progress as it has made, without the US. I am sure we gave them an ultimatum that forced them to accept both the deal and the terms. It truly makes no sense. I do think Alex's BDS shows in this analysis, but he makes some good points.
Agree on Alex and also Allison. Biden is incompetent as is the Bush/ Obama/ Biden nincompoops running our foreign policy right now.
That said, if my family was being held hostage by terrorists, there is close to nothing I wouldn’t do or support to get them back. And Id be a nightmare for any government. The Israeli government is dealing with 250 families who have those exact feelings/ inclinations.
On the other hand these jihadists want us all dead and this hostage deal absolutely encourages terrorists to take innocent westerners. That puts all of our families at higher risk. Not only for Jews, for all of us. Jihadists kill tens of thousands of innocent Christians a year (and nobody seems to care). We are more protected half way around the world, but certainly not immune. And those closer to the terrorists home base are at much higher risk.
They need to end Hamas. Strength is the only thing these Barbarians respect.
you are assuming that anyone in the US is looking at this in anything other than the short term. the current situation is causing a divide that is hurting the current regime. That is an existential problem to them and overrides all other considerations, (We are talking about their jobs here!!)
thus, the situation winds down, we returnto the status quo. The moeny flows to Doha and the cycle continues.
I have no opinion about the politics of Israel I just don’t know enough. I personally think they need to destroy Hamas because they are terrorists and their stated goal is to kill all Jews. I am
Particularly sad and angry that so many people in the US are celebrating Hamas and the slaughter of innocent Israelis. They don’t have to like Israel policy to know the actions of Hamas ... and the prisoners recently released ... are evil.
I can’t imagine what I would do as a leader if my citizens were taken hostage by terrorists--the chants of bring them home echoing through your head all day and night. I actually think on the world stage Palestinians and their supporters come away looking worse than ever--a bunch of unreasonable, brainwashed brutes. I am certain there are innocent civilians too, but what chance do they have with Hamas in charge. I hope there is some sort of deal with Arab nations. It’s well past time that the rest of the Middle East steps up to the plate and sorts out this whole Palestinian issue. Israel is going nowhere.
There is absolute no question that Bibi was basically forced by Biden into taking this terrible deal.....terrible except for those families that have their loved ones back. Forget everything you read or hear.....Biden is no friend of Israel. His old (and current) boss has always hated Israel with a passion, and he's running the show.
This is the one GREAT irony. So many American Jewish vote BLUE, and we all know the vast majority of those who support HAMAS and wants to see Israel go away vote BLUE. Oct 7th truly EXPOSED this if nothing else. How will these American Jews come to reconcile this I ask?
I live in a left wing well off heavily Jewish neighborhood. I finally told a neighbor the reason I vote conservative is the policies are based on an actual moral compass while current Democrat policies are destructive and nihilistic. Oppression is not a virtue and victimhood is a stupid thing to seek out. He may continue to vote for those who hate him, but I won’t. I also said that it’s true many, probably most, Palestinians hate Jews more than they love their own children. It’s also true many Jews love their left wing ideology more than their own children because no sane person votes for policies and people that seek to destroy their children’s life yet a majority of US Jews do. In truth this is the case for the vast majority of those who currently vote for Democrats because the policies they promote only harm. They help no one except the pocketbooks of the politicians and their cronies.
I will say I have 2 close Jewish friends whom who are independent thinkers and rational and trust both to go into a foxhole with me, but you are right. A very large segment of the American Jewish population votes BLUE regardless even after Oct 7th. How they reconcile this is the interesting question now
I know that not all who are Jewish in the US vote Democrat. I love Dave Rubin and hope voices like Dave Rubin and even Ben Shapiro get considered more. Where I happen to live the Jewish community is way left. The Temple a half mile from my house has a giant propaganda display on how to trans your kids in the main entrance hall. Temple members include one of the most left wing US congresswomen (from the south).
My neighbor’s daughter, currently a STEM teacher in Brooklyn, wrote and widely published an essay in grad school a couple years ago on her growing up in a “privileged white supremacists” community. She failed to point out that “community” is our heavily Jewish neighborhood, the same heavily Jewish country club my family also goes to, and the heavily Jewish/ most expensive in the region private school she and her brother attended k-12. 🙄 Now the whole family is shocked they are getting lumped in with the rest of us by the mob. Unlike their family my husband and I didn’t come from money (and we aren’t Jewish). I’ve literally never met an actual white supremacists despite living in the south nearly all of my 4 decades.
I wish my neighbors would wake up from woke, but so far I see no signs locally. The same neighbor thought i was basically making it up when I told him all Dem state representatives, from Wake (Raleigh), Guilford (Greensboro), and Mecklenburg (Charlotte) walked out on a vote to condemn Hamas right after Oct 7th in the state legislature when we talked about it a few weeks ago. Those are the 3 NC counties with significant Jewish populations. Sad.
Right it's never all or usually never, but I think saying vast is a safe bet or perhaps someone has an actual tracker on this. Is it 35, 50, 70% of Jewish voters?
I appreciate the nuanced clarification. It sounds as though you have some more clarified insight on this. What % in your opinion of the American Jewish voting block is from the non religious block and religious? I'm not even knowing of just what % of the American population is Jewish in all honesty as a voting base.
Yep. So far I don’t see where there is significant blow back from the US Hebrew population. Over the past 20 yrs I’ve heard many American Jews condemn Israeli handling of the Gaza Strip and the West Bank. They generally don’t support Israeli handling of the so called Palestinians (Arabs) in or out of Israel, something I’ve found baffling. My late father in law was a staunch conservative who was a very different kind of American Jew. He was better educated than the average bear, especially about Middle East history. He explained how much of an impossible position the Israeli government had been in from the beginning in a way that made it all clear. He never bought into the leftist propaganda machine considering it driven by antisemitism. After learning more from other conservatives and reading about the true history I must agree that he was right and his position valid.
I am happy that some of the hostages are freed however I think it will shake out as a bad deal for Israel. I kind of like Netanyahu and think that he gets bad press here because of his conservative stance. Shocker huh. The MSM seems to slant negatively about political conservatives anywhere on the planet. Somehow their delicate sensibilities are at odds with hard realities in every case.
Biden is and always has been a DC swamp rat. He will say or do anything for political expediency.
In fact they all do. The DNC dinosaurs like Schumer, Pelosi, Clinton’s, are two faced liars. Then there are real snakes like Obama.
The serpents are clever where the rats are treading water, trying to survive.
The upshot here is that this doesn’t bode well for Israel or Jews anywhere again. The real Christian community needs to step forward and be their shield from evil.
that's a tough ask for the christian community, at least here in the US. they have come a long way with regard to tolerance, and no doubt there is further to go, but coming out in support knowing they will be opposed on everything else and still be labeled as knuckle draggers is a bridge too far in my opinion.
I agree with you Ryan. Absolutely nothing should have been negotiated until they were returned. This is war, provoked by Hamas. Israel should end it. Unfortunately, I don’t think they will.
This deal stinks of Obama and all his henchmen that surround our feeble minded Manchurian candidate. He hates Israel and the US. As for the ”poor Palestinian people” there are very few innocents in Gaza since about 90% of them support Hamas and teach their children to hate Jews. They never should have agreed to this deal, they should continue to roll through that area and destroy this threat once and for all
Just utter immorality. Israel has been bombing Gaza at a ferocity not seen since World War II, killing civilians quite intentionally and justifiably provoking global outrage. And yet you focus on perceived disparities in the degree to which Israel benefits from hostage releases. Hamas won when Israelis and supporters of Israel lost their humanity in allowing this demolition of 2.2 million people and their homes to happen, and actually applauded it. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/25/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-death-toll.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare
If it makes you fell better when the Jihadists come for you we won’t stand in their way. Your argument is that you can’t retaliate against an aggressor of that aggressor is barbaric enough to use their own kids as human shields. That’s nihilistic. And stupid. All the deaths of innocents are sad, and all are the fault of Hamas.
Watch the video, watch the massacre, watch the sheer brutality and savagery--the hatred is palpable...why? The world is asking why? "From the river to the sea"--destroy the nation of Israel, kill the Jews. That is not the rallying cry of Israel, it's the call of the Palestinians and their terrorist leaders. But it seams the propagandists will succeed. In the ignorance that prevails throughout our nation and others the world has lost it's way.
Alex think Biden and your fellow Democrats. They were thinking about their survival. Forget Netanyahu. The Jewish sector of the party is in heavy conflict with the Talib regressives. The Democrat Party was starting to split and go into internal conflict. Where does Israel get all their military bombs, ammo, planes and other military equipment? If the truth be known I would bet that Biden et al threatened to cut them off from military bombs, ammo and repair parts if they didn't ceasefire. All of this to save their paltry political skin by satisfying the Hamas backed "progressives" (regressives) in the Democrat party. Don't blame the Israelis or Netanyahu. Blame the real source of the forced ceasefire, Biden and the Democrats.
Funny Netanyahu would take Biden’s advice on anything- I seem to recall a well known Obama dem publicly admit Bidens been on the wrong side of every foreign affairs decision his entire career.
1.) How exactly will Israel know when Hamas has been defeated? This ain't imperial Japan, no one is gonna sign a surrender on the deck of an aircraft carrier.
2.) How exactly does one distinguish between an unemployed Palestinian person standing in the street and a Hamas fighter? The impossibility of distinguishing between civilians and soldiers creates a slippery slope to genocide.
3.) Given that 'Hamas can never be allowed to govern again', that means that the Palestinians in Gaza will never be allowed to have elections again (lest Hamas win again). So by definition, Gaza will be a prison state forever.
I understand the desire for revenge. But in the absence of a plan, there is a high probability of making things worse. There are few (no?) good options in this situation and apparently no smart people working on figuring out a better way forward.
It is easy for me to sit in an armchair and say this, but Israel was brutally attacked on Oct 7 and the only response that can possibly work is to demonstrate an unquenchable fury. As you know, the US dropped two atom bombs on Japan, killing a massive number of civilians, but Japan
attacked and America's answer still
hangs in the air... and even Ronald Reagan's firing of our striking air traffic controllers showed the world that Jimmy Carter was no longer President, and the Soviet Union took notice. Again, I'm sitting in a comfy chair, but I'm also in my 60's, and I remember growing up in Greenwich Village IN the 60's when I thought peace was always the answer. I was wrong.
We killed hundreds of thousands in WW II, and saved millions as a result. Much of the Middle East is ruled by people who were never elected. This is an immature and historically illiterate analysis. War is awful. Hamas shouldn’t have started it.
Here’s a plan: go for victory: similarly to what US did in Germany and Japan, make clear population accepts defeat morally, denazification, trials with hangings, elections. Moral defeat is what matters.
I totally agree that Israel made a poor choice when making a deal with the devil. I do, however, believe the October 07 catastrophe could have been avoided, or at least minimized, if Israel allowed its law abiding citizens to own firearms. Too many times law enforcement arrives only to collect evidence and take pictures.
Biden is blocking exports to Israel of thousands of guns because Israel wanted to do just that. Sad that a country with compulsory military service makes it very difficult for their people to carry the arms they have all been trained to use..... particularly considering the neighborhood
1) “it has shown that it cannot protect its civilians yet has also managed to turn much of the world against it through its bombardment of Gaza.” This is clearly NYC UWS libt**d thinking. Who on earth thinks Israel can do anything without the world turning against it? For you to say that Israel “managed to turn much of the world against it” shows quite clearly that you should stick to Covid.
2) “Israel’s attack has killed THOUSANDS of ‘innocent’ Palestinians”. And you’re getting your figures from where? From the Gaza Health Ministry, which is Hamas? Spouting such unreliable numbers actually makes me question your Covid thought process, which I never did previously. And let’s say, hypothetically, that Israel did kill thousands of civilians. The same civilians which voted Hamas into power, which celebrated after the 10/7 slaughter and who would yank your head off if they could. Good riddance to them all and may there be many more.
Israel values EVERY LIFE Hamas values no life. So Israel will do whatever it can to bring home every hostage. And hopefully they will but it’s unlikely. But in time make no mistake they will unleash holy hell on Hamas even as they hold hostage their own Palestinians. You cannot bargain with an amoral unethical force as Hamas. They will be exterminated with the grace of the Saudi’s and the Egyptians
My first thought when I heard about this was thank God hostages will be freed. My second thought was -- wait -- now every terrorist group will be emboldened to kidnap INNOCENT PEOPLE (not soldiers) in order to exchange them for CRIMINALS. It's horrific and now it'll happen again because it worked. I'm so sad.
Alex is letting his anti-Bibi colors show again. When the people of Israel voted against Bibi several times, they were doing so by buying into the same type of choice Alex is decrying here: the left wing position that Israel didn't have the right to exist. Biden is being two faced, yet Alex supports him.
I don’t support Biden. What makes you think that??
That whole thing was about Alex, following up to what you said
Whoops sorry!! 😊
No problem, I wasn't clear, but clarified it. :-) Given what you said, I suspected you were no Biden fan. lol
p.s. I am concerned that you can't teach a (not so) old NYT reporter new tricks. For some things he'll think outside the box, but here not evaluate who has had moral clarity on Israel and other things for centuries and who (hint, the left) has only been after power, control, and cash.
For the most part, I agree with Allison. The deal was a terrible one and the only way I can see Israel agreeing was due to being forced by the Biden Administration. Israel cannot survive, as much independent progress as it has made, without the US. I am sure we gave them an ultimatum that forced them to accept both the deal and the terms. It truly makes no sense. I do think Alex's BDS shows in this analysis, but he makes some good points.
Agree on Alex and also Allison. Biden is incompetent as is the Bush/ Obama/ Biden nincompoops running our foreign policy right now.
That said, if my family was being held hostage by terrorists, there is close to nothing I wouldn’t do or support to get them back. And Id be a nightmare for any government. The Israeli government is dealing with 250 families who have those exact feelings/ inclinations.
On the other hand these jihadists want us all dead and this hostage deal absolutely encourages terrorists to take innocent westerners. That puts all of our families at higher risk. Not only for Jews, for all of us. Jihadists kill tens of thousands of innocent Christians a year (and nobody seems to care). We are more protected half way around the world, but certainly not immune. And those closer to the terrorists home base are at much higher risk.
They need to end Hamas. Strength is the only thing these Barbarians respect.
truth be told!!
you are assuming that anyone in the US is looking at this in anything other than the short term. the current situation is causing a divide that is hurting the current regime. That is an existential problem to them and overrides all other considerations, (We are talking about their jobs here!!)
thus, the situation winds down, we returnto the status quo. The moeny flows to Doha and the cycle continues.
exactly
this 'exactly' was in response to Allison Brennan's comment!!!
Do you have the third thought? I'm just curious.
I have no opinion about the politics of Israel I just don’t know enough. I personally think they need to destroy Hamas because they are terrorists and their stated goal is to kill all Jews. I am
Particularly sad and angry that so many people in the US are celebrating Hamas and the slaughter of innocent Israelis. They don’t have to like Israel policy to know the actions of Hamas ... and the prisoners recently released ... are evil.
I can’t imagine what I would do as a leader if my citizens were taken hostage by terrorists--the chants of bring them home echoing through your head all day and night. I actually think on the world stage Palestinians and their supporters come away looking worse than ever--a bunch of unreasonable, brainwashed brutes. I am certain there are innocent civilians too, but what chance do they have with Hamas in charge. I hope there is some sort of deal with Arab nations. It’s well past time that the rest of the Middle East steps up to the plate and sorts out this whole Palestinian issue. Israel is going nowhere.
" have no opinion " -- GEEZ, YOU JUST HAVE EXPRESSED YOUR OPINION ;-)
C'mon man. Give her a break. It would be better if you articulated your point.
That's if discussions/debate are allowed here.
She sees my point, don't interfere
I assume you're for free speech?
I will speak as I wish.
Try to avoid "..." as this allows people for a free interpretation of your thoughts and obscures your thinking,
Have you read " The protocols of the elders of Zion"?
I see your point. I meant about those who run the country.
"those who run the country" - who are those/they, in your opinion?
I suspect Biden and Obama ( I mean Blinken) forced Israel’s hand.
There is absolute no question that Bibi was basically forced by Biden into taking this terrible deal.....terrible except for those families that have their loved ones back. Forget everything you read or hear.....Biden is no friend of Israel. His old (and current) boss has always hated Israel with a passion, and he's running the show.
Agree w sabasarge 100% Obama is running this shit show - his third term and he hates Israel yet you see American Jews consistently voting D.
This is the one GREAT irony. So many American Jewish vote BLUE, and we all know the vast majority of those who support HAMAS and wants to see Israel go away vote BLUE. Oct 7th truly EXPOSED this if nothing else. How will these American Jews come to reconcile this I ask?
I live in a left wing well off heavily Jewish neighborhood. I finally told a neighbor the reason I vote conservative is the policies are based on an actual moral compass while current Democrat policies are destructive and nihilistic. Oppression is not a virtue and victimhood is a stupid thing to seek out. He may continue to vote for those who hate him, but I won’t. I also said that it’s true many, probably most, Palestinians hate Jews more than they love their own children. It’s also true many Jews love their left wing ideology more than their own children because no sane person votes for policies and people that seek to destroy their children’s life yet a majority of US Jews do. In truth this is the case for the vast majority of those who currently vote for Democrats because the policies they promote only harm. They help no one except the pocketbooks of the politicians and their cronies.
I will say I have 2 close Jewish friends whom who are independent thinkers and rational and trust both to go into a foxhole with me, but you are right. A very large segment of the American Jewish population votes BLUE regardless even after Oct 7th. How they reconcile this is the interesting question now
I know that not all who are Jewish in the US vote Democrat. I love Dave Rubin and hope voices like Dave Rubin and even Ben Shapiro get considered more. Where I happen to live the Jewish community is way left. The Temple a half mile from my house has a giant propaganda display on how to trans your kids in the main entrance hall. Temple members include one of the most left wing US congresswomen (from the south).
My neighbor’s daughter, currently a STEM teacher in Brooklyn, wrote and widely published an essay in grad school a couple years ago on her growing up in a “privileged white supremacists” community. She failed to point out that “community” is our heavily Jewish neighborhood, the same heavily Jewish country club my family also goes to, and the heavily Jewish/ most expensive in the region private school she and her brother attended k-12. 🙄 Now the whole family is shocked they are getting lumped in with the rest of us by the mob. Unlike their family my husband and I didn’t come from money (and we aren’t Jewish). I’ve literally never met an actual white supremacists despite living in the south nearly all of my 4 decades.
I wish my neighbors would wake up from woke, but so far I see no signs locally. The same neighbor thought i was basically making it up when I told him all Dem state representatives, from Wake (Raleigh), Guilford (Greensboro), and Mecklenburg (Charlotte) walked out on a vote to condemn Hamas right after Oct 7th in the state legislature when we talked about it a few weeks ago. Those are the 3 NC counties with significant Jewish populations. Sad.
Right it's never all or usually never, but I think saying vast is a safe bet or perhaps someone has an actual tracker on this. Is it 35, 50, 70% of Jewish voters?
I bet they just forget the details, convince themselves Biden did his best, and rationalize away anything else unpleasant about it.
Tribalism is older than civilization.
Could very well be as simple as that, and often times it is isn't it. They just are lost in the collective hive mind abyss
Just to clarify. It’s mostly liberal non religious Jews who vote blue. Almost all orthodox Jews vote Republican.
I appreciate the nuanced clarification. It sounds as though you have some more clarified insight on this. What % in your opinion of the American Jewish voting block is from the non religious block and religious? I'm not even knowing of just what % of the American population is Jewish in all honesty as a voting base.
These AJs believe they don't have to, need to, have such obligations.
OBAMA IS THEIR FRONT MAN PLACED BY THEM AGAINST THE US CONSTITUTION SINCE HE WASN'T BORN IN THE US. HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN THAT
Yep. So far I don’t see where there is significant blow back from the US Hebrew population. Over the past 20 yrs I’ve heard many American Jews condemn Israeli handling of the Gaza Strip and the West Bank. They generally don’t support Israeli handling of the so called Palestinians (Arabs) in or out of Israel, something I’ve found baffling. My late father in law was a staunch conservative who was a very different kind of American Jew. He was better educated than the average bear, especially about Middle East history. He explained how much of an impossible position the Israeli government had been in from the beginning in a way that made it all clear. He never bought into the leftist propaganda machine considering it driven by antisemitism. After learning more from other conservatives and reading about the true history I must agree that he was right and his position valid.
I am happy that some of the hostages are freed however I think it will shake out as a bad deal for Israel. I kind of like Netanyahu and think that he gets bad press here because of his conservative stance. Shocker huh. The MSM seems to slant negatively about political conservatives anywhere on the planet. Somehow their delicate sensibilities are at odds with hard realities in every case.
Biden is and always has been a DC swamp rat. He will say or do anything for political expediency.
In fact they all do. The DNC dinosaurs like Schumer, Pelosi, Clinton’s, are two faced liars. Then there are real snakes like Obama.
The serpents are clever where the rats are treading water, trying to survive.
The upshot here is that this doesn’t bode well for Israel or Jews anywhere again. The real Christian community needs to step forward and be their shield from evil.
that's a tough ask for the christian community, at least here in the US. they have come a long way with regard to tolerance, and no doubt there is further to go, but coming out in support knowing they will be opposed on everything else and still be labeled as knuckle draggers is a bridge too far in my opinion.
Obama and Valerie Jarrett are still calling the shots. Biden is all but brain dead. He couldn’t find Israel on a map if you spotted him the Dead Sea.
Biden and the Dead See - what a parallel!
Two biggest fans of the Mad Mullahs of Iran and the old Muslim Brotherhood and united in their hate for a strong Israel.
Israel will regret this. But I see the hidden hand of the unscrupulous, uncaring, duplicitous Biden administration.
Agree Alex.
NOTHING should've been negotiated until EVERY single hostage was returned.
I agree with you Ryan. Absolutely nothing should have been negotiated until they were returned. This is war, provoked by Hamas. Israel should end it. Unfortunately, I don’t think they will.
This deal stinks of Obama and all his henchmen that surround our feeble minded Manchurian candidate. He hates Israel and the US. As for the ”poor Palestinian people” there are very few innocents in Gaza since about 90% of them support Hamas and teach their children to hate Jews. They never should have agreed to this deal, they should continue to roll through that area and destroy this threat once and for all
You must be an Orthodox Jew.
Just utter immorality. Israel has been bombing Gaza at a ferocity not seen since World War II, killing civilians quite intentionally and justifiably provoking global outrage. And yet you focus on perceived disparities in the degree to which Israel benefits from hostage releases. Hamas won when Israelis and supporters of Israel lost their humanity in allowing this demolition of 2.2 million people and their homes to happen, and actually applauded it. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/25/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-death-toll.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare
If it makes you fell better when the Jihadists come for you we won’t stand in their way. Your argument is that you can’t retaliate against an aggressor of that aggressor is barbaric enough to use their own kids as human shields. That’s nihilistic. And stupid. All the deaths of innocents are sad, and all are the fault of Hamas.
Watch the video, watch the massacre, watch the sheer brutality and savagery--the hatred is palpable...why? The world is asking why? "From the river to the sea"--destroy the nation of Israel, kill the Jews. That is not the rallying cry of Israel, it's the call of the Palestinians and their terrorist leaders. But it seams the propagandists will succeed. In the ignorance that prevails throughout our nation and others the world has lost it's way.
You might have more credibility if you referenced some source besides the New York Times.
Could you clarify.... 2.2 million people demolished. When and where and how did this happen?
Alex think Biden and your fellow Democrats. They were thinking about their survival. Forget Netanyahu. The Jewish sector of the party is in heavy conflict with the Talib regressives. The Democrat Party was starting to split and go into internal conflict. Where does Israel get all their military bombs, ammo, planes and other military equipment? If the truth be known I would bet that Biden et al threatened to cut them off from military bombs, ammo and repair parts if they didn't ceasefire. All of this to save their paltry political skin by satisfying the Hamas backed "progressives" (regressives) in the Democrat party. Don't blame the Israelis or Netanyahu. Blame the real source of the forced ceasefire, Biden and the Democrats.
Blame this entirely on Biden. He forced Israel to do this. Another example of how inept and dangerous Gibberish Joe is.
Funny Netanyahu would take Biden’s advice on anything- I seem to recall a well known Obama dem publicly admit Bidens been on the wrong side of every foreign affairs decision his entire career.
A few questions:
1.) How exactly will Israel know when Hamas has been defeated? This ain't imperial Japan, no one is gonna sign a surrender on the deck of an aircraft carrier.
2.) How exactly does one distinguish between an unemployed Palestinian person standing in the street and a Hamas fighter? The impossibility of distinguishing between civilians and soldiers creates a slippery slope to genocide.
3.) Given that 'Hamas can never be allowed to govern again', that means that the Palestinians in Gaza will never be allowed to have elections again (lest Hamas win again). So by definition, Gaza will be a prison state forever.
I understand the desire for revenge. But in the absence of a plan, there is a high probability of making things worse. There are few (no?) good options in this situation and apparently no smart people working on figuring out a better way forward.
It is easy for me to sit in an armchair and say this, but Israel was brutally attacked on Oct 7 and the only response that can possibly work is to demonstrate an unquenchable fury. As you know, the US dropped two atom bombs on Japan, killing a massive number of civilians, but Japan
attacked and America's answer still
hangs in the air... and even Ronald Reagan's firing of our striking air traffic controllers showed the world that Jimmy Carter was no longer President, and the Soviet Union took notice. Again, I'm sitting in a comfy chair, but I'm also in my 60's, and I remember growing up in Greenwich Village IN the 60's when I thought peace was always the answer. I was wrong.
We killed hundreds of thousands in WW II, and saved millions as a result. Much of the Middle East is ruled by people who were never elected. This is an immature and historically illiterate analysis. War is awful. Hamas shouldn’t have started it.
So what should have Israel done in response to the massacre? Nothing?
Here’s a plan: go for victory: similarly to what US did in Germany and Japan, make clear population accepts defeat morally, denazification, trials with hangings, elections. Moral defeat is what matters.
We killed hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians in WW II. War is awful. Hamas shouldn’t have started one.
The exact wrong way to deal with terrorists. From the Biden playbook no doubt. Huge mistake.
I totally agree that Israel made a poor choice when making a deal with the devil. I do, however, believe the October 07 catastrophe could have been avoided, or at least minimized, if Israel allowed its law abiding citizens to own firearms. Too many times law enforcement arrives only to collect evidence and take pictures.
Biden is blocking exports to Israel of thousands of guns because Israel wanted to do just that. Sad that a country with compulsory military service makes it very difficult for their people to carry the arms they have all been trained to use..... particularly considering the neighborhood
2 of your comments stand out:
1) “it has shown that it cannot protect its civilians yet has also managed to turn much of the world against it through its bombardment of Gaza.” This is clearly NYC UWS libt**d thinking. Who on earth thinks Israel can do anything without the world turning against it? For you to say that Israel “managed to turn much of the world against it” shows quite clearly that you should stick to Covid.
2) “Israel’s attack has killed THOUSANDS of ‘innocent’ Palestinians”. And you’re getting your figures from where? From the Gaza Health Ministry, which is Hamas? Spouting such unreliable numbers actually makes me question your Covid thought process, which I never did previously. And let’s say, hypothetically, that Israel did kill thousands of civilians. The same civilians which voted Hamas into power, which celebrated after the 10/7 slaughter and who would yank your head off if they could. Good riddance to them all and may there be many more.
SLAYED
The most obvious option is always “the Biden White House f***s up again.” It’s that simple.
Hear, hear!
Israel will not be destroyed and if it comes close to happening, she will take the world with her. Never again means just that.
Truth
This has Biden administration, fingerprints all over it.
Israel values EVERY LIFE Hamas values no life. So Israel will do whatever it can to bring home every hostage. And hopefully they will but it’s unlikely. But in time make no mistake they will unleash holy hell on Hamas even as they hold hostage their own Palestinians. You cannot bargain with an amoral unethical force as Hamas. They will be exterminated with the grace of the Saudi’s and the Egyptians