Someone I know who got vaccinated and regrets it is stuck arguing about Covid jabs with people in his (very woke) workplace. He asked for help. Here's what I told him.
You have more patience than me. I just flew for Thanksgiving, and of course it was from and to Blue Seattle, but there were still probably 10 people on each flight with N95 masks. It is just so much easier to stay as far away from these people as possible. You cannot fix crazy.
I still see the occasional N95 mask even here in red Lancaster County, PA. What amazes me is that even though my husband and I were 66 when the shots came out, we did not take it and never will. I feel kinda special being in the 5%.
You forgot to mention the back story about reported covid deaths. Many believe deaths actually caused from covid were (considerably) overstated. Whty? Because hospitals and nursing homes were paid thousands of dollars by the government( I read it was $20K) if they report deaths as caused by covid. Some folks, already dying from a terminal illness, who subsequently contracted covid were reported as dying solely from covid. No mention made of their other underlying terminal condition.
And also those like in the case of my family member where the medical folks just plain LIED saying SHE DIED FROM COVID. NOPE. She did NOT die from covid, nor was she the slightest bit sick with covid at time of death as numerous family members know who sat and visited during her last days. So yes, we were very surprised when her legal death certificate arrived 3 months later with cause of death listed as "covid".
Other factors: no one who develped this chart checked to see if folks were also treated with remdesivir (which can cause total organ failure espeically in an already frail person). Nor did they check if the death count included folks put on a respirator (death often occurs if and when you take a person off the respirator as they are very hard on lungs).
And finally, the folks certainly did NOT evaluate the unnecceary deaths from those who pleaded with hospitals to let them try ivermectin or other alternative drugs. In contrast, consider how cancer patients are allowed and possibly encouraged to take experimental drugs with the worst side effects and want to if only to extend their lives a very little bit. But folks with covid were banned by hospitals and judges from taking a ivermectin taken by 4 billion people worldwide w/hardly any side effects.
I do know people who died from Covid so do not mean to slight folks the grief and pain for loved ones who did die from the covid virus. But yes Virginia, it seems more than possible that those "charts" and death counts aren't totally accurate.
The greatest CON and CRIME against humanity in the history of time, and "they" got away with it Scot FREE. In fact, WE are already paying the elf fraud Fauci a generous pension until he dies. Just American-swamp justice at it's finest! Just ask Hunter and his dementia laden Father
I work for a US law firm in London and they’re woke as hell. They tried to mandate it in London too but thankfully our law did not allow it and i know they tried to fire us. The US offices mandated it. I’m still waiting for an apology at how they treated the unvaccinated on their return. They’d have paraded us up and down if they could but their rules for unvaccinated was almost like that, having to wear masks every day and testing every day and having to prove it. I have not forgotten their treatment. In a company of 270 we’ve had 4 people with cancer, all in the same time frame. Eye problems and heart issues too.
All you need is point 13: if the vaccines worked, they would have eradicated Covid. Right? That's what the polio vaccine did, right?
(OK, that last point is debatable, but if you're arguing with a vaccine proponent, the last thing they'll do is undermine their own argument by citing the resurgence of polio in regions with live-virus vaccines).
The mRNA shots were never a sterilizing vaccine. Anyone in the know, knew that from the beginning but a lot of low information folks didn't understand the difference in the beginning. The Covid shots are more akin to flu shots (which are themselves minimally effective).
Just tell the vaxxers correlation doesn’t infer causation, due to confounding factors. The confounder being healthy vaccinee bias. Vaxxers love to say correlation doesn’t infer causation when denying SIDS, autoimmune diseases, autism, food allergies etc are linked to vaccines. Or sudden metastatic cancers, blood clots, myocarditis, pericarditis, strokes or SADS suddenly appearing after the warp speed injections.
The people that still want to believe that Covid Vaccines work and are still getting it are the same people who believe that drugs and scalpels can make a man a woman! They are pathological since they cannot admit that they have been wrong. If they do admit they are wrong then their house of cards on everything crazy collapses. Since they believe it and they are sooo superior to us ignoramuses, they cannot possibly be wrong in their own mind. Trump Derangement Syndrome is the latest manifestation of their massive egos. Don't waste your time, you won't win the argument.
The probable reality is with these people they could literally have a family member pass away within a week of being injected with the EUA gene therapy medication, and they would not consider the possibility the injection caused the DEATH. That is the type of mind most of these people have.
There was never any scientific evidence to support the idea the jabs protected against infection. The clinical trial never even tested the theory.
The EULA is quite clear about that.
At best, the trial showed a reduction in symptoms. That does not imply a decrease in viral load or transmissibility. See pertussis for another example of a vaccine that has a similar profile in that regard.
Note a decrease in symptoms without a decrease in infectiousness makes the jabs utterly selfish - you are more likely to think you are well when you can actually infect others.
You may remember a study of nursing home workers that showed asymptomatic vaccinated employees with very high PCR cycle counts.
We do not need to concede any ground on this point.
Not only that, but it was soon after the introduction of the vaccines that there started to be major mutations in the virus. I’ve not seen studies on this, but the mutations were minor from the beginning of the pandemic, and once vaccination started in late Dec 2020 into Jan 2021, reaching most health care workers and spreading into general population by summer of 21, and suddenly big change of Delta version, then 6 months later Omicron, followed by so many versions no one can remember their increasingly scary names. And now that people seem to be avoiding boosters, it seems like endless mutations are slowing as well? Again, no data on this, but it seems plausible.
There's no promise of true reforms of the incestuous pharmaceutical and bureaucratic apparatuses. However, because of a handful of people like you, there's hope.
Absolutely. Some of the most common viruses that cause the common cold are rhinoviruses, adenoviruses & coronaviruses. And for the record: the flu is caused by the influenza virus.
Drives me crazy when people say that covid is "just the flu."
but if everyone would have got the vaccines at the same time holding hands then covid would have stopped. it was working all summer until cold and flu season came and everyone started getting sick with covid -
Thanks Alex I needed this just to remind myself that they are still out there eating turkey, lurking at the dinner table judging us!! I almost forgot how many people still believed! It’s a cult at this point and maybe this intervention and explanation will work!?
You have more patience than me. I just flew for Thanksgiving, and of course it was from and to Blue Seattle, but there were still probably 10 people on each flight with N95 masks. It is just so much easier to stay as far away from these people as possible. You cannot fix crazy.
A true psychosis!
The fear that was pounded into their heads daily by the media and the WH will never leave them.
And you cannot fix stupid
I still see the occasional N95 mask even here in red Lancaster County, PA. What amazes me is that even though my husband and I were 66 when the shots came out, we did not take it and never will. I feel kinda special being in the 5%.
The real weirdos are the masked people alone driving a car, I see one everyday
I have a friend who wears a mask because she has reactions to airborne dust. She hates the COVID crazies because everyone thinks she's in that group.
It was the same seasonal decline in the spring every year, Alex. It’s impossible to accept the vaccines did anything at all
You forgot to mention the back story about reported covid deaths. Many believe deaths actually caused from covid were (considerably) overstated. Whty? Because hospitals and nursing homes were paid thousands of dollars by the government( I read it was $20K) if they report deaths as caused by covid. Some folks, already dying from a terminal illness, who subsequently contracted covid were reported as dying solely from covid. No mention made of their other underlying terminal condition.
And also those like in the case of my family member where the medical folks just plain LIED saying SHE DIED FROM COVID. NOPE. She did NOT die from covid, nor was she the slightest bit sick with covid at time of death as numerous family members know who sat and visited during her last days. So yes, we were very surprised when her legal death certificate arrived 3 months later with cause of death listed as "covid".
Other factors: no one who develped this chart checked to see if folks were also treated with remdesivir (which can cause total organ failure espeically in an already frail person). Nor did they check if the death count included folks put on a respirator (death often occurs if and when you take a person off the respirator as they are very hard on lungs).
And finally, the folks certainly did NOT evaluate the unnecceary deaths from those who pleaded with hospitals to let them try ivermectin or other alternative drugs. In contrast, consider how cancer patients are allowed and possibly encouraged to take experimental drugs with the worst side effects and want to if only to extend their lives a very little bit. But folks with covid were banned by hospitals and judges from taking a ivermectin taken by 4 billion people worldwide w/hardly any side effects.
I do know people who died from Covid so do not mean to slight folks the grief and pain for loved ones who did die from the covid virus. But yes Virginia, it seems more than possible that those "charts" and death counts aren't totally accurate.
The greatest CON and CRIME against humanity in the history of time, and "they" got away with it Scot FREE. In fact, WE are already paying the elf fraud Fauci a generous pension until he dies. Just American-swamp justice at it's finest! Just ask Hunter and his dementia laden Father
I work for a US law firm in London and they’re woke as hell. They tried to mandate it in London too but thankfully our law did not allow it and i know they tried to fire us. The US offices mandated it. I’m still waiting for an apology at how they treated the unvaccinated on their return. They’d have paraded us up and down if they could but their rules for unvaccinated was almost like that, having to wear masks every day and testing every day and having to prove it. I have not forgotten their treatment. In a company of 270 we’ve had 4 people with cancer, all in the same time frame. Eye problems and heart issues too.
All you need is point 13: if the vaccines worked, they would have eradicated Covid. Right? That's what the polio vaccine did, right?
(OK, that last point is debatable, but if you're arguing with a vaccine proponent, the last thing they'll do is undermine their own argument by citing the resurgence of polio in regions with live-virus vaccines).
The mRNA shots were never a sterilizing vaccine. Anyone in the know, knew that from the beginning but a lot of low information folks didn't understand the difference in the beginning. The Covid shots are more akin to flu shots (which are themselves minimally effective).
Or use MMR instead of polio.
Just tell the vaxxers correlation doesn’t infer causation, due to confounding factors. The confounder being healthy vaccinee bias. Vaxxers love to say correlation doesn’t infer causation when denying SIDS, autoimmune diseases, autism, food allergies etc are linked to vaccines. Or sudden metastatic cancers, blood clots, myocarditis, pericarditis, strokes or SADS suddenly appearing after the warp speed injections.
The people that still want to believe that Covid Vaccines work and are still getting it are the same people who believe that drugs and scalpels can make a man a woman! They are pathological since they cannot admit that they have been wrong. If they do admit they are wrong then their house of cards on everything crazy collapses. Since they believe it and they are sooo superior to us ignoramuses, they cannot possibly be wrong in their own mind. Trump Derangement Syndrome is the latest manifestation of their massive egos. Don't waste your time, you won't win the argument.
The probable reality is with these people they could literally have a family member pass away within a week of being injected with the EUA gene therapy medication, and they would not consider the possibility the injection caused the DEATH. That is the type of mind most of these people have.
The people that demand you get the jab, are the very same people chanting "my body, my choice." It's a true mass formation psychoses cult.
I just simply tell them to please get more boosters!
Lol. This is the way.
The way I see it, you can't fix people that have no common sense to begin with. They are brainwashed and they will stay that way.
you can't learn anything if you already know everything.
luckily i don't know very much about anything except the tv series "saved by the bell" - where I am a trivia expert.
There was never any scientific evidence to support the idea the jabs protected against infection. The clinical trial never even tested the theory.
The EULA is quite clear about that.
At best, the trial showed a reduction in symptoms. That does not imply a decrease in viral load or transmissibility. See pertussis for another example of a vaccine that has a similar profile in that regard.
Note a decrease in symptoms without a decrease in infectiousness makes the jabs utterly selfish - you are more likely to think you are well when you can actually infect others.
You may remember a study of nursing home workers that showed asymptomatic vaccinated employees with very high PCR cycle counts.
We do not need to concede any ground on this point.
Not only that, but it was soon after the introduction of the vaccines that there started to be major mutations in the virus. I’ve not seen studies on this, but the mutations were minor from the beginning of the pandemic, and once vaccination started in late Dec 2020 into Jan 2021, reaching most health care workers and spreading into general population by summer of 21, and suddenly big change of Delta version, then 6 months later Omicron, followed by so many versions no one can remember their increasingly scary names. And now that people seem to be avoiding boosters, it seems like endless mutations are slowing as well? Again, no data on this, but it seems plausible.
I prefer to simply ignore them at this point - the fork in the road is way too far back.
There's no promise of true reforms of the incestuous pharmaceutical and bureaucratic apparatuses. However, because of a handful of people like you, there's hope.
Thanks for your dedication.
And we still have not eradicated or tempered the common cold. Isn’t that a Corona virus?
Absolutely. Some of the most common viruses that cause the common cold are rhinoviruses, adenoviruses & coronaviruses. And for the record: the flu is caused by the influenza virus.
Drives me crazy when people say that covid is "just the flu."
but if everyone would have got the vaccines at the same time holding hands then covid would have stopped. it was working all summer until cold and flu season came and everyone started getting sick with covid -
...oh wait, nevermind.
Thanks Alex I needed this just to remind myself that they are still out there eating turkey, lurking at the dinner table judging us!! I almost forgot how many people still believed! It’s a cult at this point and maybe this intervention and explanation will work!?