What, you aren't eternally grateful for our Dear Leader Pritzker calling you a hero in his relentless reelection advertising; for an election that is more than 12 months away?? 😂😂
(Sorry for the sarcasm; I'm a small business owner in Chicago and this man [along with our lovely mayor] have impacted my health more negatively than covid ever has)
Sorry to hear that. I’m so sorry to see Chicago going downhill. San Francisco is experimenting the same for a long time. It’s very sad. I hope things will improve for you.
Alex, I am an EMT with an all volunteer department in NC. Most of us took the jabs as part of the first responders early enrollment program in January when our County’s paid service took the jabs. All of our members DID NOT take the jab (I can’t call it a vaccine because it really doesn’t fit the description of a vaccine). I elected to take a CoVid antibody test on August 4 and it came back with a high number which right now has no clinical significance but it does show I have a high level of antibodies. To have a positive result only requires 0.8 units/ml. Mine was 519.9. Before I take a booster, I am going to repeat the antibody test and if it is still positive for antibodies I will not take a booster. It’s anti-science to do so. Our county has had just 12,700 positive CoVid tests and 181 deaths since April 2020. That equals a case mortality rate of under 1.5%. While it is higher than flu deaths, I believe that that the CDC has been rolling in Flu deaths and other deaths into the CoVid numbers. That is undeniable.
Thanks for staying on this story and please do a follow up on getting a CoVid Antibody test. It’s relatively inexpensive and something everyone should do prior to taking any CoVid jab.
I recently got my immune system thoroughly tested, and it is strongly fighting some kind of virus. I feel OK. A little known fact is covid, which I had, can reignite mono and may be responsible for long haul, which I have. It does not debilitate me, but I am not operating at full strength. Ivermectin does the trick. No one needs the jab ever!
Yes, because there was very little science to support it. It had been rushed. They had had adverse reactions or their parents or children had. They are also educated professionals. As a group, many doctors and nurses and firefighters/EMTs are NOT getting the vaccine or are not in favor of a mandate.
When older ones are available, I always refuse medications that have not been out for awhile as all the unwanted effects are unknown. If I were actually on my last legs, then I would insist on right to try new meds, but that is not the case here.
I am a former risk manager in another field, but the risk assessment and management process is essentially the same. Early on I looked at the known risks of Covid and the jab and decided there were too many unknowns about the jab. I have "comorbidities," am older and got Covid. I didn't even know I had it until a doctor diagnosed it. Comorbidities are just indicators of the heath of the immune system, they are not dispositive. I have continued to update my risk assessment, and now it makes even less sense to take the jab. After having Covid, it is medically unnecessary and can actually disrupt immune system balance. I am on Ivermectin for long haul: it is marvelous stuff. Those who consider the jab, as I did, would do better to improve their immune system's health. My God given immune system worked great despite "comorbidities."
My doctor prescribed it. There are several places to get a prescription, but they are overwhelmed with requests due to the fear and lies put out by the global predators as well as the moronic restrictions by many pharmacies. If I lived near the border of Mexico, where it is available without prescription, I would cross the border and just get it. Do not use Ivermectin formulated for animals, as it is formulated for vets' use. One of the lies is that is is horse medicine.
America's Frontline Doctors is no longer prescribing it because their pharmacy is out due to demand. IDK if your state or doctor will, but if your state doesn't forbid it, find a better doctor. Monoclonal antibodies are free as they were purchased by the government and are "permitted" by the FDA clowns. This is an older type medicine and safe.
Glad I'm not alone. I hope they stand firm. One thing not mentioned: when you "agree" to get vaccinated, how many shots are you "signing up" for? Who gets to say "when?" I could, conceivably, get forced to take one shot -- if that was it. But it's looking like I'd be signing my life away. I'm a person who never gets flu shots, or anything else. I don't go to doctors; I don't take any medications. I don't get tests, check-ups or any of that sort of thing. Knock on wood but I haven't needed to, and I'm not the sort to go looking for trouble. Being forced into a regimen of shots is a really big deal for me.
Ditto, especially in this case because I purposely chose to get Covid when my hubs came home with it because I didn't want to be the guinea pig for the vaccines. And I'm so thankful because it looks like it will be a nonstop jab game.
Yeah, I hear you. My spouse is the same -- no way in hell either of us is going to become the experimental monkeys for a totalitarian govt. My spouse if from Russia, and we were sort of half seriously wondering is we could move there. Russia people know better than to trust the govt at all, and there's ALWAYS a work around to "rules." I can't believe it may come to this. Lose our jobs, have to move to Alabama and possible become second class citizens trapped in our country? What the hell is going on? Cause they sure as hell don't care about our "health!"
I bet you were exposed, and you just didn't get sick. Your body defeated it straight away. We've been traveling all over the place the whole time -- we both think we had the Ro back in March 2020 (very mild) -- caught from the lady who cuts our hair. We haven't been tested of course; all part of the plan to avoid getting on any kind of a medical list.
I moved in 2020. We made many trips that spring from Midwest to southeast. It was unreal creepy as few cars on the road. Nobody in hotel rooms. Leaving the Midwest with everything shutdown, it was shocking to see little of that in the SE. Anyway, we had so many appointments before leaving one including seeing my oncologist at hospital. The day after trip,to,hospital, I became ill. My chest hurt, slight fever, and then the cough for months. Because we were moving, which was complicated as it was a farm, I just endured. Did I have virus? Sounds like it. Husband had no such symptoms. He would soon need an operation and all went fine and no indications he got sick from hospital visit. Meanwhile this year I had bad accident and went to ER several times, and also orthopedics and wound centers. Came in contact with so many. I seem find. I get out a lot. We have pretty much led a normal life through this fiasco and so far we seem fine. We do wash our hands a lot. Never touch our face. We are outside most of the time. Vit D?
I'm going to get an antibody test to back up my positive test result in the event they ever do recognize natural immunity. In the meantime, I'll just avoid places that require vaccines (not very common in the midwest.)
I have a positive PCR test from a few months ago and a positive antibody test from last month. If they ever recognize natural immunity, I will not be loading that into their database. I would push back on these mandates and passports even if were allowed in their club.
Guarantee you have been exposed many times like all of us, but your immune system took care of the invader. The infectivity rate was not enough, or you did not hang around infected person, people long enough to stress your system.
It's happening in Israel. Those who had 2 shots got a Green Pass. Now they have been revoked until they get 3. The vax'd become the unvaxed become the vax'd and it never ends.
Israel is making the booster required in order to be considered "fully vaccinated" and get access to living a normal life.
It won't ever end because their logic is a closed loop; if an area "needs" a vax pass in order to "stay safe," and they *don't* require the booster, they are essentially admitting that it isn't necessary. Which, to them, is an anti-vax narrative.
Personally I hope they do that everywhere that uses a vaccine passport; the people that signed up for this scheme need to understand how they have given up their choice in the matter. And that they will be shamed mercilessly for daring to pause and think for themselves. If you signed up for apartheid, you signed up. Full stop.
The machine can only keep churning; best not to stick your head in it in the first place.
Let me say up front that any vaccine credential system is idiotic and should never be implemented anywhere. But I have to at least give Israel credit for the fact that their “green pass” is not just for “fully vaxxed” but also anyone who has already had Covid. In other words, Israel is not ignoring the benefit of infection-conferred immunity, whereas the US very actively is ignoring it, and to the point that they are actively telling those with infection-conferred immunity that they “must” be vaccinated.
I suppose, but I don't think this would ever outweigh the idiocy of the scheme in the first place (as you acknowledge.)
The problem with even allowing for naturally-acquired immunity will be that this is not a measurable, knowable thing in real time. Does a person have "acceptable" immunity if they've had covid within 90 days, but a person is dangerous and should be blocked that had it 91 days prior? It's unworkable.
They are trying to reduce the complexity of human life to a simplistic game of "getting the measures right;" as if we were all just rats in a lab experiment they were trying to calibrate.
It's 100% unworkable if your goal is to use the passport system to protect others. It's very "workable" if you have a different agenda that doesn't really have anything to do with keeping other people safe.
The bigger problem for those pushing vaccine passports is that every study on infection-conferred immunity has shown it is far more robust and has better longevity than the vaccines.
I always hesitate to bring this particular point up in these discussions, because while it is a very valid point, ultimately I don’t want to offer anything that give the vaccine passports any credibility whatsoever.
Any idea whether any US companies respect prior infection / natural immunity? The US is awash with former CDC FDA types pushing vax mandates and exclusionary policies to our businesses which quiescently adopt these discriminatory policies.
I’ve yet to find any openly admitting they’re doing so. In my state (Indiana), the major universities and hospitals requiring vaccination “or you’re out” (students and staff, not patients…yet) are actively *rejecting* prior infection and even proof of antibodies for those trying to use their prior infection to get around the mandates. A friend who works for the Federal Government says they also will not allow exemptions from the mandate based on prior infection or proof of antibodies.
“Permanent exemptions include serious medical reactions to the vaccine, immune deficiencies such as HIV infection, and "evidence of existing immunity" by a serologic antibody test or "documentation of previous infection or natural infection presumed."”
Of course they had Ivermectin until it went off-patent.
And no one in the MSM will admit Ivermectin is a POTENT anti-viral being used all over the world both preventatively and therapeutically.
The American people are being censored and blocked from important Covid news from around the world and not a freakin’ PEEP from ANY elected representatives.
Doctors are cowards and are committing malpractice.
I never thought I would see the United States sink so low on so many levels.
I and my husband both had covid last December; My primary symptom was my oxygen levels declined to mid-80s and my husband's doctor was making plans to hospitalize me (no one told me this until later). I took ivermectin against this doctor's advice, it is easily available in the country I live in, and the next day my oxygen levels shot up to low 90s. On the second dose of ivermectin on day 3, my oxygen levels shot up to mid - high 90s and stayed there until even now, 9 months later. People don't have to be hospitalized, people don't have to die, and what is being done now with this barbarian hospital treatment of incubation and useless drugs is criminal and on purpose, as pretext to prolong this political corruption and fraud......(IMO). I hope people wake up to that fact, how many more 'variants' will they come up with as excuse why people are not responding to the so-called vaccine......really it is just mindboggling to me that so many people do not see what is happening.
I agree - it seems like American hospitals are going at it with the ventilators this summer as if it was spring 2020 - trying to drum up ongoing hospitalization and care failure (death) rates.
I've seen a bunch of recent stories about people consenting to be put on ventilators, or their family members talking to them right before they were sedated to be put on the ventilator. My understanding is that if you're coherent enough to give consent or have a conversation with someone, you shouldn't be anywhere near a ventilator. I thought we learned this back in March/April of last year. Better to keep the high dose oxygen and steroids flowing. How did we end up back here?
I have a friend who was a nurse in a large public NYC hospital. On March 20th, 2020 she called me to say, "whatever you do don't let anybody you live go to the hospital. Do whatever you can to keep them out. They are killing people in there."
I heard they were putting patients on ventilators for infection control. That way they don't breathe and cough out virus. Not so good for the patient though.
And of course, not end up in the hospital in the first place - the battle should be fought and won before there's any need to throw in hospital acquired pneumonia risk
I saw those posts too. The woman, a hospitalist (forget where she practices) should have her license pulled and be buried in med mal lawsuits. Despicable.
The fraud of the mandates is obvious. If vaccines are available to everyone who wants it, and if they work, those who are vaccinated don't need to worry about the unvaccinated. It's like requiring cruise ship passengers know how to swim. It's unlikely to save them in any event, and if they can swim, it doesn't matter if others can. Those demanding compliance with irrational mandates are either evil or stupid enough to be manipulated by evil.
The real problem is why so many people are so willing to uncritically accept the fraud. It shows a much deeper set of problems than just a routine virus. If there are so many willing to accept manipulation, and so many eager to provide it, this won't end well.
A big part of the reason so many are willing to accept it is because their sources of information are filled with propaganda and the truth is being censored. It's why we are here now. Just look at this from the Surgeon General to Social Media platforms. https://www.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/surgeon-general-misinformation-advisory.pdf
The problem is deeper than that. If I see propaganda, I usually recognize it. If I don't understand it, I try to figure it out. Apparently many people accept what they hear without much critical thought. I like to think many of them are just not paying attention, but a lot of them are just too ignorant to understand.
I don't believe the average person just accepts what they hear until it is repeated over and over again no matter the source of the information. It really is asking a lot to get the average person to accept that almost every source of news, science or medical information related to covid is distorting, manipulating or cherry picking facts and data in order to push propaganda. A reasonable and smart person is still going to struggle accepting something of this magnitude which is exactly why it's so dangerous. If big tech and mainstream media weren't participating in this effort to censor information and distribute propaganda it would have failed about two seconds after it started.
Working with a single source of news might do that, but those people are working with a mental deficiency to begin with. Moderate diversity in your news quickly identifies lots of discrepancies in the orthodoxies.
I don't rely on big tech or mainstream media. I encourage everyone to diversify. Lots of people want to manipulate us. They can't do that without our permission, and complicity.
Fear of contagion and disease is probably the MOST instinctive and primitive fear we have. It overrides ALL reason circuits and produces fear, disgust, revulsion and anger towards the ill. DISGUST is very powerful. God help us if "someone" is using this ancient fear to intentionally manipulate us.
Probably less fear of slow motion disease than more violent encounters with tigers and bandits. The recent panic of covid is really a first. Even 1918 wasn't this hysterical. Only recently have Americans been indoctrinated to expect zero risk, with legal warnings on coffee cups and schools teaching safe spaces instead of math. Those who managed to learn a little math in spite of the educational malpractice are aware our risk from this very routine virus is very low, approximately zero, to one decimal place. Disgust is reserved for those trying to drive us to irrational panic, and is increasing as more people do the math and figure it out. More so as we figure out why.
I often wonder about that whole loose theory of a "illness instinct." I don't think it actually makes much sense on an evolutionary logic level, for a variety of reasons. Rather, vaccines and germ theory and its predecessors all just fit nicely with preexisting cultural taboos around impurity and holiness.
In Ontario, Canada, all 40,000 physicians got an email yesterday from the Registrar of the College of Physicians that physicians should not give exemptions almost at all. See the text below from that email:
"Generally speaking, there are very few acceptable medical exemptions to the COVID-19 vaccination (e.g., an allergist/immunologist-confirmed severe allergy or anaphylactic reaction to a previous dose of a COVID-19 vaccine or to any of its components that cannot be mitigated; a diagnosed episode of myocarditis/pericarditis after receipt of an mRNA vaccine). Given the rarity of these exceptions, and in light of the fact that vaccines have been proven to be both safe and effective, any notes written for patients who qualify for a medical exemption need to clearly specify:
-the reason they cannot be vaccinated against COVID-19 (i.e., document clear medical information that supports the exemption); and
-the effective time period for the medical reason (i.e., permanent or time-limited). "
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Wow, it's very simple. how could you trust anything any criticism of which is censored or punished? How could you trust anything that is being so broadly coerced? For many people the censorship and the coercion are reasons enough not to want this.
Lol. This is fantastic. So now your doctor isn't your doctor. The government is your doctor. And your actual doctor is allowed to pass through only state approved diagnoses and exemptions. What a fantastic development. I'm sure all of these physicians are thrilled that they went to school for about a decade, racked up a million bucks in debt so they could basically be paper pushers for the government.
This is the most important argument against universal health care. What you and your doctor want doesn't matter at all. The government decides whether you live or die and in what manner.
The entire policy in that email is based on completely contradictory logic; it essentially states: "The only acceptable reason to refuse a COVID-19 vaccine is a prior adverse event from a COVID-19 vaccine."
by the way "the College of Physicians and Surgeons" is the equivalent of the Medical Board. This is not an optional or educational email to the physicians. It's a mandate which if a physician violates, can lose his or her license.
They mention myocarditis like it's a concerning but minor thing. It is not. The heart does not heal like other tissue, it scars.
"All patients diagnosed or suspected to have acute myocarditis should be admitted to the hospital and be monitored for hemodynamic instability. Immediate complications of myocarditis include ventricular dysrhythmias, left ventricular aneurysm, CHF, and dilated cardiomyopathy. The mortality rate is up to 20% at 1 year and 50% at 5 years. Despite optimal medical management, overall mortality has not changed in the last 30 years."
In Maine the same thing is happening. Nurses, EMS, dental staff, nursing home staff are all losing their jobs very soon.
These mandates are no longer based in good science given all the evidence coming out about natural immunity, waning efficacy of the shots, those with shots getting sick, can ending up in hospital, getting long-haul, dying, spreading, etc. This is the largest failed experiment in human history. Israel is on their third round and people are still getting sick.
It's time to start pushing back that there is no good data any more to keep going down this road. In fact, what is being set up is a perfect storm. If all of those who work in EMS, medicine, government, education, military have the shots and the above paraphrased publicly available data is true, then we could potentially be creating a monumental crisis.
There is far too much bureaucracy, arrogance and greed involved to get this train to halt as quickly as we need it to but keep calling and start sounding the alarm based on this. All the articles, studies and expert medical/science opinions are all publicly available for this.
My husband was hospitalized after taking the second Moderna shot. His arm turned red and completely swelled and blew up to a huge stiff painful arm from shoulder through to fingers. He almost lost his arm. Don't get the shot, or don't agree to any boosters if you have made it this far
Your husband almost needing an amputation just means its working. Are you some kind of science denier? (this is sarcasm btw. hard to tell in clown world.)
Same thing about to happen in WA state. Lawsuits are mounting against Inslee though, so the pressure is building. They estimate 20-30% of state workers, firefighters, healthcare workers, school employees will all be fired if Inslee goes through with it. It basically would cause a societal collapse. WSDOT in particular is very very concerned, as well as several fire districts and state patrol. Seattle already has a huge school bus driver shortage and kids were delayed 2 hours to get to school. The vaccine mandate will make it worse on the already huge worker shortage we have in WA state.
WA State, the place with 72.3% of ages 12+ with at least one dose of vax (I think 64% both doses). But what I find interesting about those statistics is the almost 9% gap between one dose and two. I've followed the stats (link below to the dashboard). The gap has been about the same, never closing.
So is there some reason people aren't getting the second dose? If that gap never closes, we start counting tens of thousands of WA State residents that didn't. Side effects? (Most likely).
That shows me the vaccine isn't working that well. You couldn't tell me that 64% fully vaxxed plus 567,000 WA residents that have had COVID (actually much higher - that's recorded cases) doesn't confer some form of herd immunity. So someone couldn't blame "unvaxxed" at the moment.
(And yes, Inslee is leveraging the media trick of counting unvaxxed back from a time when hardly anyone could get the vaccine in the first place, so he keeps saying "the hospitalizations are 93% unvaxxed etc... which is not accurate but is fooling most people).
Yes and on all accounts. One local hospital was trying to hide the data and the head nurse came out and said 33% of the hospitalizations are with vaxxed at that hospital . I know it’s anecdotal but the only people I know who currently have covid are vaccinated people. All the people I know who got covid last fall/winter in WA have not been reinfected. For some reason natural infection doesn’t count toward immunity even though it’s more effective than vaccine alone. I do hope Inslee backs off on the vaccine mandate or October is gonna be a real bad month for WA.
Yeah, and it’s not a lack of beds anyways, it’s a lack of nurses. At least at OHSU that’s the case. They even announced they have tons of beds but not enough nurses and they still want to fire 10-20% of nurses there so how is that gonna work out? Ugh
I wondered how the hospitalizations are categorized. This makes sense to start the count clock when no one was jabbed. Honestly, I don’t believe any of the numbers from gov. entities. In a recent conversation, the point was made that if this is truly a pandemic, we would see evidence of it. I know one person who’s death cert indicated the vid as cause of death. He was 93 and in poor health. I know two people who had the vid with symptoms. Both are fine, except they got the jab too. I know lots of people that had pos test results, no symptoms, so I consider those false pos.
The 1918 Spanish Influenza should be studied and referenced. People literally died within days of contracting it. People died of all ages and it didn't make a difference if you were healthy to begin with or not. The reason why this country is even here is because the Pilgrims inhabited the land that the Wampanoags had lived in for thousands of years, but died from an epidemic due to exposure to viral bacteria that they had no immunity to. Their immune systems had never been introduced to this disease, therefore they contracted it because they had been isolated from any European viruses or bacteria. Think about what this means for the children who have been isolated in the last 2 years and have not had their immune systems exposed to germs and viruses. They will now be at such a greater risk of getting very sick because their immune system has not been doing the job that it's meant to do. And I would guess that adults immune systems would.experience some of this as well. We are not in an actual pandemic just a bad virus that the vulnerable should be protected.
Prayers to all of you Firefighters and thank you for your Service. We cannot survive literally without you or the Police. I do hope you all stand together in this fight. It’s not just about health this is about mandates and what else will they force on us. It’s sad this has all become about power and politics. 🙏🙏🙏
They should walk off en-masse, that is the only way to get results. They are putting more people in harm's way by not having health or fire-fighter services, than by not getting the covid shot. And especially if some are volunteer, why would anyone get the potentially dangerous shot when they are not even getting paid for their work??
This is what it is going to stop the mandates. Glad to hear people are pushing back! Look at all the compliance orders that have been added since March 2020 when we were asked, no demanded, to slow the curve so hospitals would not be overrun. If they are like me, the word "hesitant" is the wrong word to be using about these rushed vaccines, mandates or not. "Not getting it" is a better phrase to replace "hesitant"!
Is there a group for nurses? My daughter, 23, former college athlete in perfect health and has natural immunity from previous infection is being force by her hospital. I am so distraught.
This is outrageous and anti science. If you've had covid like I have , you should NOT take the vaccine anyway. Regardless, stay unified against this anti science communist tyranny. The vaccine barely works anyway. Healthy non at risk workers like yourselves have basically zero need for it.
As a full time Lieutenant for a major suburban Fire Department in Illinois, we are gearing up to fight this mandate.
We love you guys. Thank you for all you do.
Fight like hell.
What, you aren't eternally grateful for our Dear Leader Pritzker calling you a hero in his relentless reelection advertising; for an election that is more than 12 months away?? 😂😂
(Sorry for the sarcasm; I'm a small business owner in Chicago and this man [along with our lovely mayor] have impacted my health more negatively than covid ever has)
I’m so sorry that he’s our governor. While he hid in Wisconsin and various mansions, you and I went to work….
Good news in Illinois:
https://www.illinoisreview.com/illinoisreview/2021/08/illinois-law-says-unlawful-to-discriminate-against-conscientious-health-care-objectors.html
Sorry to hear that. I’m so sorry to see Chicago going downhill. San Francisco is experimenting the same for a long time. It’s very sad. I hope things will improve for you.
Hold the Line!
YES!!! WE know you guys will fight like your lives depend on it. Because that's what you do every day. We salute you.
See my post above. Some at the Univ of Illinois are pushing back, citing this 1997 law.
I have reviewed that law. It seems pretty cut and dry. Additionally,
the requirement of regular testing is punitive since we have NEVER had ANY testing during the entire pandemic…. Why start now?
Thank you!
Fight on!!!
Please do. All of us MUST start standing up wherever we are & however we can
And thank you!!
Stand your ground! Thank you all for your service.
Alex, I am an EMT with an all volunteer department in NC. Most of us took the jabs as part of the first responders early enrollment program in January when our County’s paid service took the jabs. All of our members DID NOT take the jab (I can’t call it a vaccine because it really doesn’t fit the description of a vaccine). I elected to take a CoVid antibody test on August 4 and it came back with a high number which right now has no clinical significance but it does show I have a high level of antibodies. To have a positive result only requires 0.8 units/ml. Mine was 519.9. Before I take a booster, I am going to repeat the antibody test and if it is still positive for antibodies I will not take a booster. It’s anti-science to do so. Our county has had just 12,700 positive CoVid tests and 181 deaths since April 2020. That equals a case mortality rate of under 1.5%. While it is higher than flu deaths, I believe that that the CDC has been rolling in Flu deaths and other deaths into the CoVid numbers. That is undeniable.
Thanks for staying on this story and please do a follow up on getting a CoVid Antibody test. It’s relatively inexpensive and something everyone should do prior to taking any CoVid jab.
Get a t cell immunity test. It is the gold standard. One such company is this https://www.t-detect.com/covid-19/for-patients/
That’s what I had drawn at Labcorp. Same test ordered by same docs
Strongly recommend you steer far clear of any further jabs. Boost your immune system and keep ivermectn on hand.
Request a T-cell immunity test. Will give a better indication of your overall immunity.
I recently got my immune system thoroughly tested, and it is strongly fighting some kind of virus. I feel OK. A little known fact is covid, which I had, can reignite mono and may be responsible for long haul, which I have. It does not debilitate me, but I am not operating at full strength. Ivermectin does the trick. No one needs the jab ever!
Thanks for your input -- the people who didn't get the shot, do you know why?
Yes, because there was very little science to support it. It had been rushed. They had had adverse reactions or their parents or children had. They are also educated professionals. As a group, many doctors and nurses and firefighters/EMTs are NOT getting the vaccine or are not in favor of a mandate.
There is also no “science” behind the boosters Fauci and Walensky are pushing. They just “hope” they work:
https://chemicalviolence.com/2021-09-01-science-cult-cdc-walensky-hope-booster-shots-not-data.html
When older ones are available, I always refuse medications that have not been out for awhile as all the unwanted effects are unknown. If I were actually on my last legs, then I would insist on right to try new meds, but that is not the case here.
I am a former risk manager in another field, but the risk assessment and management process is essentially the same. Early on I looked at the known risks of Covid and the jab and decided there were too many unknowns about the jab. I have "comorbidities," am older and got Covid. I didn't even know I had it until a doctor diagnosed it. Comorbidities are just indicators of the heath of the immune system, they are not dispositive. I have continued to update my risk assessment, and now it makes even less sense to take the jab. After having Covid, it is medically unnecessary and can actually disrupt immune system balance. I am on Ivermectin for long haul: it is marvelous stuff. Those who consider the jab, as I did, would do better to improve their immune system's health. My God given immune system worked great despite "comorbidities."
I hesitate to buy tech items that have not been out long -- OF COURSE I refuse medication that has not been out long!
But where do you get ivermectin?!
My doctor prescribed it. There are several places to get a prescription, but they are overwhelmed with requests due to the fear and lies put out by the global predators as well as the moronic restrictions by many pharmacies. If I lived near the border of Mexico, where it is available without prescription, I would cross the border and just get it. Do not use Ivermectin formulated for animals, as it is formulated for vets' use. One of the lies is that is is horse medicine.
America's Frontline Doctors is no longer prescribing it because their pharmacy is out due to demand. IDK if your state or doctor will, but if your state doesn't forbid it, find a better doctor. Monoclonal antibodies are free as they were purchased by the government and are "permitted" by the FDA clowns. This is an older type medicine and safe.
This link has resources to find the drug and medical care: https://covid19criticalcare.com/
Adding the doctor's diagnosis was after I has recovered at home.
The vaccine taken with good antibodies is dangerous according to my doctor
Glad I'm not alone. I hope they stand firm. One thing not mentioned: when you "agree" to get vaccinated, how many shots are you "signing up" for? Who gets to say "when?" I could, conceivably, get forced to take one shot -- if that was it. But it's looking like I'd be signing my life away. I'm a person who never gets flu shots, or anything else. I don't go to doctors; I don't take any medications. I don't get tests, check-ups or any of that sort of thing. Knock on wood but I haven't needed to, and I'm not the sort to go looking for trouble. Being forced into a regimen of shots is a really big deal for me.
Ditto, especially in this case because I purposely chose to get Covid when my hubs came home with it because I didn't want to be the guinea pig for the vaccines. And I'm so thankful because it looks like it will be a nonstop jab game.
Yeah, I hear you. My spouse is the same -- no way in hell either of us is going to become the experimental monkeys for a totalitarian govt. My spouse if from Russia, and we were sort of half seriously wondering is we could move there. Russia people know better than to trust the govt at all, and there's ALWAYS a work around to "rules." I can't believe it may come to this. Lose our jobs, have to move to Alabama and possible become second class citizens trapped in our country? What the hell is going on? Cause they sure as hell don't care about our "health!"
https://www.rutherford.org/files_images/general/2021_Vaccine_Exemption_Form_Letter.pdf
Second class until the first class finally keels over.
I bet you were exposed, and you just didn't get sick. Your body defeated it straight away. We've been traveling all over the place the whole time -- we both think we had the Ro back in March 2020 (very mild) -- caught from the lady who cuts our hair. We haven't been tested of course; all part of the plan to avoid getting on any kind of a medical list.
I moved in 2020. We made many trips that spring from Midwest to southeast. It was unreal creepy as few cars on the road. Nobody in hotel rooms. Leaving the Midwest with everything shutdown, it was shocking to see little of that in the SE. Anyway, we had so many appointments before leaving one including seeing my oncologist at hospital. The day after trip,to,hospital, I became ill. My chest hurt, slight fever, and then the cough for months. Because we were moving, which was complicated as it was a farm, I just endured. Did I have virus? Sounds like it. Husband had no such symptoms. He would soon need an operation and all went fine and no indications he got sick from hospital visit. Meanwhile this year I had bad accident and went to ER several times, and also orthopedics and wound centers. Came in contact with so many. I seem find. I get out a lot. We have pretty much led a normal life through this fiasco and so far we seem fine. We do wash our hands a lot. Never touch our face. We are outside most of the time. Vit D?
I'm going to get an antibody test to back up my positive test result in the event they ever do recognize natural immunity. In the meantime, I'll just avoid places that require vaccines (not very common in the midwest.)
I have a positive PCR test from a few months ago and a positive antibody test from last month. If they ever recognize natural immunity, I will not be loading that into their database. I would push back on these mandates and passports even if were allowed in their club.
Guarantee you have been exposed many times like all of us, but your immune system took care of the invader. The infectivity rate was not enough, or you did not hang around infected person, people long enough to stress your system.
Go to Labcorp.com. Click on COVID 19 test and look for the antibody testing. This is a serum test - blood draw, not a pinprick on the finger.
My local heb grocery store is selling at home instant antibody kits for 20 dollars for two. Skip the labs
It's happening in Israel. Those who had 2 shots got a Green Pass. Now they have been revoked until they get 3. The vax'd become the unvaxed become the vax'd and it never ends.
Israelis have much higher risk from crazy neighbors than from vaccines. The issue is risk.
Israel is making the booster required in order to be considered "fully vaccinated" and get access to living a normal life.
It won't ever end because their logic is a closed loop; if an area "needs" a vax pass in order to "stay safe," and they *don't* require the booster, they are essentially admitting that it isn't necessary. Which, to them, is an anti-vax narrative.
Personally I hope they do that everywhere that uses a vaccine passport; the people that signed up for this scheme need to understand how they have given up their choice in the matter. And that they will be shamed mercilessly for daring to pause and think for themselves. If you signed up for apartheid, you signed up. Full stop.
The machine can only keep churning; best not to stick your head in it in the first place.
Let me say up front that any vaccine credential system is idiotic and should never be implemented anywhere. But I have to at least give Israel credit for the fact that their “green pass” is not just for “fully vaxxed” but also anyone who has already had Covid. In other words, Israel is not ignoring the benefit of infection-conferred immunity, whereas the US very actively is ignoring it, and to the point that they are actively telling those with infection-conferred immunity that they “must” be vaccinated.
I suppose, but I don't think this would ever outweigh the idiocy of the scheme in the first place (as you acknowledge.)
The problem with even allowing for naturally-acquired immunity will be that this is not a measurable, knowable thing in real time. Does a person have "acceptable" immunity if they've had covid within 90 days, but a person is dangerous and should be blocked that had it 91 days prior? It's unworkable.
They are trying to reduce the complexity of human life to a simplistic game of "getting the measures right;" as if we were all just rats in a lab experiment they were trying to calibrate.
I know I am preaching to the choir, though :)
It's 100% unworkable if your goal is to use the passport system to protect others. It's very "workable" if you have a different agenda that doesn't really have anything to do with keeping other people safe.
The bigger problem for those pushing vaccine passports is that every study on infection-conferred immunity has shown it is far more robust and has better longevity than the vaccines.
I always hesitate to bring this particular point up in these discussions, because while it is a very valid point, ultimately I don’t want to offer anything that give the vaccine passports any credibility whatsoever.
Any idea whether any US companies respect prior infection / natural immunity? The US is awash with former CDC FDA types pushing vax mandates and exclusionary policies to our businesses which quiescently adopt these discriminatory policies.
I’ve yet to find any openly admitting they’re doing so. In my state (Indiana), the major universities and hospitals requiring vaccination “or you’re out” (students and staff, not patients…yet) are actively *rejecting* prior infection and even proof of antibodies for those trying to use their prior infection to get around the mandates. A friend who works for the Federal Government says they also will not allow exemptions from the mandate based on prior infection or proof of antibodies.
There is a group suing the federal government - including some military members - to allow a natural immunity exemption, based on existing military regulations that exempt soldiers who can show proof of prior infection from other vaccines: https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/military-vaccine-mandate-complaint.pdf
Speak of the devil: https://abc7chicago.com/amp/military-vaccine-pfizer-approval-troops-must-get-vaccinated-pentagon-mandate/10974411/
“Permanent exemptions include serious medical reactions to the vaccine, immune deficiencies such as HIV infection, and "evidence of existing immunity" by a serologic antibody test or "documentation of previous infection or natural infection presumed."”
This is very interesting information, that Israel is accepting Covid immunity!
Plus the twice a day oral med that Pfizer's CEO Bourla now says should be taken along with the vaccine.
Merck also has a new anti-viral pill $$$.
Of course they had Ivermectin until it went off-patent.
And no one in the MSM will admit Ivermectin is a POTENT anti-viral being used all over the world both preventatively and therapeutically.
The American people are being censored and blocked from important Covid news from around the world and not a freakin’ PEEP from ANY elected representatives.
Doctors are cowards and are committing malpractice.
I never thought I would see the United States sink so low on so many levels.
what? I have not heard that. Jesus, take me now.
Yup it’s true. Read the article last night
ooo more moola for PFE
What a joke, amazing people dont see through this
But think of all the fun, unnecessary surgeries you're missing out on!
I and my husband both had covid last December; My primary symptom was my oxygen levels declined to mid-80s and my husband's doctor was making plans to hospitalize me (no one told me this until later). I took ivermectin against this doctor's advice, it is easily available in the country I live in, and the next day my oxygen levels shot up to low 90s. On the second dose of ivermectin on day 3, my oxygen levels shot up to mid - high 90s and stayed there until even now, 9 months later. People don't have to be hospitalized, people don't have to die, and what is being done now with this barbarian hospital treatment of incubation and useless drugs is criminal and on purpose, as pretext to prolong this political corruption and fraud......(IMO). I hope people wake up to that fact, how many more 'variants' will they come up with as excuse why people are not responding to the so-called vaccine......really it is just mindboggling to me that so many people do not see what is happening.
I agree - it seems like American hospitals are going at it with the ventilators this summer as if it was spring 2020 - trying to drum up ongoing hospitalization and care failure (death) rates.
I've seen a bunch of recent stories about people consenting to be put on ventilators, or their family members talking to them right before they were sedated to be put on the ventilator. My understanding is that if you're coherent enough to give consent or have a conversation with someone, you shouldn't be anywhere near a ventilator. I thought we learned this back in March/April of last year. Better to keep the high dose oxygen and steroids flowing. How did we end up back here?
https://www.bitchute.com/video/jv3GSOcoIGCP/
"treatment" for Covid actually caused most of the deaths...
seriously listen to this
I have a friend who was a nurse in a large public NYC hospital. On March 20th, 2020 she called me to say, "whatever you do don't let anybody you live go to the hospital. Do whatever you can to keep them out. They are killing people in there."
I heard they were putting patients on ventilators for infection control. That way they don't breathe and cough out virus. Not so good for the patient though.
Best to indicate on admission “DNR” status or ask to complete POLST (or state equivalent) document. Very clear and simple for all involved.
And of course, not end up in the hospital in the first place - the battle should be fought and won before there's any need to throw in hospital acquired pneumonia risk
Doctors cutting patients' throats and killing them is not a good look.
I saw those posts too. The woman, a hospitalist (forget where she practices) should have her license pulled and be buried in med mal lawsuits. Despicable.
It’s a money maker for them. It’s disgusting
I wish the world could wake up and see who the real enemy is. We've all been pitted against each other so an elite few can reap the harvest.
The fraud of the mandates is obvious. If vaccines are available to everyone who wants it, and if they work, those who are vaccinated don't need to worry about the unvaccinated. It's like requiring cruise ship passengers know how to swim. It's unlikely to save them in any event, and if they can swim, it doesn't matter if others can. Those demanding compliance with irrational mandates are either evil or stupid enough to be manipulated by evil.
The real problem is why so many people are so willing to uncritically accept the fraud. It shows a much deeper set of problems than just a routine virus. If there are so many willing to accept manipulation, and so many eager to provide it, this won't end well.
A big part of the reason so many are willing to accept it is because their sources of information are filled with propaganda and the truth is being censored. It's why we are here now. Just look at this from the Surgeon General to Social Media platforms. https://www.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/surgeon-general-misinformation-advisory.pdf
The problem is deeper than that. If I see propaganda, I usually recognize it. If I don't understand it, I try to figure it out. Apparently many people accept what they hear without much critical thought. I like to think many of them are just not paying attention, but a lot of them are just too ignorant to understand.
I don't believe the average person just accepts what they hear until it is repeated over and over again no matter the source of the information. It really is asking a lot to get the average person to accept that almost every source of news, science or medical information related to covid is distorting, manipulating or cherry picking facts and data in order to push propaganda. A reasonable and smart person is still going to struggle accepting something of this magnitude which is exactly why it's so dangerous. If big tech and mainstream media weren't participating in this effort to censor information and distribute propaganda it would have failed about two seconds after it started.
Working with a single source of news might do that, but those people are working with a mental deficiency to begin with. Moderate diversity in your news quickly identifies lots of discrepancies in the orthodoxies.
I don't rely on big tech or mainstream media. I encourage everyone to diversify. Lots of people want to manipulate us. They can't do that without our permission, and complicity.
People should however have enough common sense to see thru the obvious crap mainstream and social media like fb and others are trying to spin
Common sense is no longer common.
Fear of contagion and disease is probably the MOST instinctive and primitive fear we have. It overrides ALL reason circuits and produces fear, disgust, revulsion and anger towards the ill. DISGUST is very powerful. God help us if "someone" is using this ancient fear to intentionally manipulate us.
https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21528731-800-the-yuck-factor-the-surprising-power-of-disgust/
Disgust: the disease-avoidance emotion and its dysfunctions
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3189352/
Probably less fear of slow motion disease than more violent encounters with tigers and bandits. The recent panic of covid is really a first. Even 1918 wasn't this hysterical. Only recently have Americans been indoctrinated to expect zero risk, with legal warnings on coffee cups and schools teaching safe spaces instead of math. Those who managed to learn a little math in spite of the educational malpractice are aware our risk from this very routine virus is very low, approximately zero, to one decimal place. Disgust is reserved for those trying to drive us to irrational panic, and is increasing as more people do the math and figure it out. More so as we figure out why.
I often wonder about that whole loose theory of a "illness instinct." I don't think it actually makes much sense on an evolutionary logic level, for a variety of reasons. Rather, vaccines and germ theory and its predecessors all just fit nicely with preexisting cultural taboos around impurity and holiness.
In Ontario, Canada, all 40,000 physicians got an email yesterday from the Registrar of the College of Physicians that physicians should not give exemptions almost at all. See the text below from that email:
"Generally speaking, there are very few acceptable medical exemptions to the COVID-19 vaccination (e.g., an allergist/immunologist-confirmed severe allergy or anaphylactic reaction to a previous dose of a COVID-19 vaccine or to any of its components that cannot be mitigated; a diagnosed episode of myocarditis/pericarditis after receipt of an mRNA vaccine). Given the rarity of these exceptions, and in light of the fact that vaccines have been proven to be both safe and effective, any notes written for patients who qualify for a medical exemption need to clearly specify:
-the reason they cannot be vaccinated against COVID-19 (i.e., document clear medical information that supports the exemption); and
-the effective time period for the medical reason (i.e., permanent or time-limited). "
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Wow, it's very simple. how could you trust anything any criticism of which is censored or punished? How could you trust anything that is being so broadly coerced? For many people the censorship and the coercion are reasons enough not to want this.
How delightful - once you can prove the Covid vaccines have shortened your life, you'll be allowed to opt out!
Lol. This is fantastic. So now your doctor isn't your doctor. The government is your doctor. And your actual doctor is allowed to pass through only state approved diagnoses and exemptions. What a fantastic development. I'm sure all of these physicians are thrilled that they went to school for about a decade, racked up a million bucks in debt so they could basically be paper pushers for the government.
This is the most important argument against universal health care. What you and your doctor want doesn't matter at all. The government decides whether you live or die and in what manner.
The entire policy in that email is based on completely contradictory logic; it essentially states: "The only acceptable reason to refuse a COVID-19 vaccine is a prior adverse event from a COVID-19 vaccine."
by the way "the College of Physicians and Surgeons" is the equivalent of the Medical Board. This is not an optional or educational email to the physicians. It's a mandate which if a physician violates, can lose his or her license.
They mention myocarditis like it's a concerning but minor thing. It is not. The heart does not heal like other tissue, it scars.
"All patients diagnosed or suspected to have acute myocarditis should be admitted to the hospital and be monitored for hemodynamic instability. Immediate complications of myocarditis include ventricular dysrhythmias, left ventricular aneurysm, CHF, and dilated cardiomyopathy. The mortality rate is up to 20% at 1 year and 50% at 5 years. Despite optimal medical management, overall mortality has not changed in the last 30 years."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK459259/
And fro. What I’m hearing, a religious reason no longer counts for an exemption.
In Maine the same thing is happening. Nurses, EMS, dental staff, nursing home staff are all losing their jobs very soon.
These mandates are no longer based in good science given all the evidence coming out about natural immunity, waning efficacy of the shots, those with shots getting sick, can ending up in hospital, getting long-haul, dying, spreading, etc. This is the largest failed experiment in human history. Israel is on their third round and people are still getting sick.
It's time to start pushing back that there is no good data any more to keep going down this road. In fact, what is being set up is a perfect storm. If all of those who work in EMS, medicine, government, education, military have the shots and the above paraphrased publicly available data is true, then we could potentially be creating a monumental crisis.
There is far too much bureaucracy, arrogance and greed involved to get this train to halt as quickly as we need it to but keep calling and start sounding the alarm based on this. All the articles, studies and expert medical/science opinions are all publicly available for this.
They all have to walk out en masse, its the only way to get results
Agreed and people will be hurt and die possibly as a result, but it will stop this madness in its track and probably rather quickly.
People are already hurting & dying
My husband was hospitalized after taking the second Moderna shot. His arm turned red and completely swelled and blew up to a huge stiff painful arm from shoulder through to fingers. He almost lost his arm. Don't get the shot, or don't agree to any boosters if you have made it this far
Your husband almost needing an amputation just means its working. Are you some kind of science denier? (this is sarcasm btw. hard to tell in clown world.)
There are reports of amputation. I believe Tucker Carlson showed a woman who had to have both legs amputated after her second shot.
Same thing about to happen in WA state. Lawsuits are mounting against Inslee though, so the pressure is building. They estimate 20-30% of state workers, firefighters, healthcare workers, school employees will all be fired if Inslee goes through with it. It basically would cause a societal collapse. WSDOT in particular is very very concerned, as well as several fire districts and state patrol. Seattle already has a huge school bus driver shortage and kids were delayed 2 hours to get to school. The vaccine mandate will make it worse on the already huge worker shortage we have in WA state.
WA State, the place with 72.3% of ages 12+ with at least one dose of vax (I think 64% both doses). But what I find interesting about those statistics is the almost 9% gap between one dose and two. I've followed the stats (link below to the dashboard). The gap has been about the same, never closing.
So is there some reason people aren't getting the second dose? If that gap never closes, we start counting tens of thousands of WA State residents that didn't. Side effects? (Most likely).
Also...
With that high vaccine uptake overall, the hospitalizations and cases (not deaths) have skyrocketed. The Delta is the primary strain (98.4% of what is going through WA according to this: https://www.doh.wa.gov/Portals/1/Documents/1600/coronavirus/data-tables/420-316-SequencingAndVariantsReport.pdf - page 7).
That shows me the vaccine isn't working that well. You couldn't tell me that 64% fully vaxxed plus 567,000 WA residents that have had COVID (actually much higher - that's recorded cases) doesn't confer some form of herd immunity. So someone couldn't blame "unvaxxed" at the moment.
https://www.doh.wa.gov/Emergencies/COVID19/DataDashboard
(And yes, Inslee is leveraging the media trick of counting unvaxxed back from a time when hardly anyone could get the vaccine in the first place, so he keeps saying "the hospitalizations are 93% unvaxxed etc... which is not accurate but is fooling most people).
Yes and on all accounts. One local hospital was trying to hide the data and the head nurse came out and said 33% of the hospitalizations are with vaxxed at that hospital . I know it’s anecdotal but the only people I know who currently have covid are vaccinated people. All the people I know who got covid last fall/winter in WA have not been reinfected. For some reason natural infection doesn’t count toward immunity even though it’s more effective than vaccine alone. I do hope Inslee backs off on the vaccine mandate or October is gonna be a real bad month for WA.
And now Washington doesn't show its total hospital capacity on the dashboard, only covid-related stats.
My guess is they took this info off because actual utilization has always been flat.
Yeah, and it’s not a lack of beds anyways, it’s a lack of nurses. At least at OHSU that’s the case. They even announced they have tons of beds but not enough nurses and they still want to fire 10-20% of nurses there so how is that gonna work out? Ugh
Yep! utilization has been flat and our available beds have FALLEN because of the staffing shortage.
Every good manager knows you fire your way out of a staffing shortage.
I wasn't aware they stopped showing the capacity on the dashboard. Now I know, and it's likely because of what you mentioned.
They just started on Monday. They 'migrated' the info to another webpage.
Old page: https://coronavirus.wa.gov/what-you-need-know/roadmap-recovery-metrics
New page: https://www.doh.wa.gov/Emergencies/COVID19/DataDashboard
Now they simply don't show total hospital capacity. This can't be a mistake.
Thank you Tessa. I've followed your stuff on Twitter, and now here. All good points. It's good to have voices of wisdom to counter Herr Inslee. :)
Click on the "Rates of Cases" downtab and you see our 7-day death rate is 0.0.
https://www.doh.wa.gov/Emergencies/COVID19/DataDashboard#heading58074
Excellent, Sim Commander :) Thank you.
I wondered how the hospitalizations are categorized. This makes sense to start the count clock when no one was jabbed. Honestly, I don’t believe any of the numbers from gov. entities. In a recent conversation, the point was made that if this is truly a pandemic, we would see evidence of it. I know one person who’s death cert indicated the vid as cause of death. He was 93 and in poor health. I know two people who had the vid with symptoms. Both are fine, except they got the jab too. I know lots of people that had pos test results, no symptoms, so I consider those false pos.
The 1918 Spanish Influenza should be studied and referenced. People literally died within days of contracting it. People died of all ages and it didn't make a difference if you were healthy to begin with or not. The reason why this country is even here is because the Pilgrims inhabited the land that the Wampanoags had lived in for thousands of years, but died from an epidemic due to exposure to viral bacteria that they had no immunity to. Their immune systems had never been introduced to this disease, therefore they contracted it because they had been isolated from any European viruses or bacteria. Think about what this means for the children who have been isolated in the last 2 years and have not had their immune systems exposed to germs and viruses. They will now be at such a greater risk of getting very sick because their immune system has not been doing the job that it's meant to do. And I would guess that adults immune systems would.experience some of this as well. We are not in an actual pandemic just a bad virus that the vulnerable should be protected.
I read that app 80% of deaths were actually not from spanish flu but from pneumonia
Prayers to all of you Firefighters and thank you for your Service. We cannot survive literally without you or the Police. I do hope you all stand together in this fight. It’s not just about health this is about mandates and what else will they force on us. It’s sad this has all become about power and politics. 🙏🙏🙏
They should walk off en-masse, that is the only way to get results. They are putting more people in harm's way by not having health or fire-fighter services, than by not getting the covid shot. And especially if some are volunteer, why would anyone get the potentially dangerous shot when they are not even getting paid for their work??
It's not about being against vaccines. It's about being against shitty products.
I may have to steal this!
This is what it is going to stop the mandates. Glad to hear people are pushing back! Look at all the compliance orders that have been added since March 2020 when we were asked, no demanded, to slow the curve so hospitals would not be overrun. If they are like me, the word "hesitant" is the wrong word to be using about these rushed vaccines, mandates or not. "Not getting it" is a better phrase to replace "hesitant"!
I've embraced the slur proposed by the Atlantic over the weekend: Refuser. (Conveniently close to "refuse" (noun), haha)
Not “hesitant,” resolute
Is there a group for nurses? My daughter, 23, former college athlete in perfect health and has natural immunity from previous infection is being force by her hospital. I am so distraught.
This is outrageous and anti science. If you've had covid like I have , you should NOT take the vaccine anyway. Regardless, stay unified against this anti science communist tyranny. The vaccine barely works anyway. Healthy non at risk workers like yourselves have basically zero need for it.