“She was just trying to care for him in this state of being disordered through cannabis.
“At the start of the recording you will hear her laughing and the defendant accusing her of laughing at him.”
Notman, the jury heard, became aggressive nine minutes into the recording, around a minute before Miss Bloomer was heard saying “Please help me” to his aunt in a call on a second phone…
“The audio recorded Lauren’s screams and it recorded her calls for help.”
Notman was then heard saying “I am going to make sure” before the sound of a revving engine was heard.
A thud was then recorded by the victim’s phone as Notman’s Ford Kuga was being driven over her.
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I don’t want to make this about me and the media. These cases are horrible and deserve our respect and focus. But understand: I saw the media’s unwillingness to grapple with the hard facts around cannabis and mental illness both before and after Tell Your Children was published.
The stakes are even higher for Covid and now the vaccines, but the groupthink and efforts to demonize anyone who presents unpleasant facts are no different.
Unfortunately for the bluecheck ideologues - and for all of us - all the propaganda in the world can’t change human biology. And Lauren Bloomer paid the highest possible price.
I don't know how many of you are as old as I am and remember the very mild pot that was available in the 70s. Today's Marijuana is not the same thing at all. There are many studies about the psychotic effect modern MJ can have, particularly in the young. Horrible events like the one recounted by Alex may not happen often but they are far more likely than they once were.
I agree. I tried medical marijuana. My immediate reaction: Holy cow, this is NOT what I smoked in the '70s! I never had one iota of paranoia back then. This stuff made me extremely paranoid. Tried a different strain; didn't help. No thanks.
Ditto. Although these extreme cases are tragic and make good headlines, I am frankly more concerned with the more benign but very widespread incidence of paranoia among users of which I was formerly a member. I can’t help but wonder if there is a correlation between COVID paranoia and cannabis consumption, especially when one considers that, by and large, the strong lock down states coincides with the high cannabis consumption states.
Disbelief in the Covid scam is borne of knowledge, not Paranoia.
Apparently , you were asleep during the previous attempts at mass murder for fun and profit, such as Swine Flu, SARS, etc , but some of us were awake and did our due diligence.
I agree with you that disbelief in the COVID scam begins with knowledge, but the sad reality is that most people don’t have the educational foundation to make that determination. I am an analytical chemist by training and I can explain exactly why the PCR test is not valid, but if my audience isn’t trained in the language of math and science, who am I speaking to? For these people, fear dominates what higher levels of thinking they do possess and thus compounds the problem by shutting down capacity to reason.
Not necessarily. The members of my family who believe the covid scam include those with masters degrees and an M.D. None of them have useless degrees like gender studies.
yep my bro in law an MD and sister multi degree RN, can't even get into the conversation with them. They actually both have autoimmune diseases and I think it's from all the vacc's and med's and antibiotics they've taken like candy. I'm natural and supplements, the only vaccine in 30 years was for tetanus. I swear it made me sick for a year! I had fatigue and intermittent flashes of fever off and on.
They seem to be the more paranoid ones same as my circle of friends. A lot are MDs , engineers , and all round very book smart.... not so much street wise.
Central to the Covid scam are (1) germ theory, which is partly or even substantially false, (2) belief that the body works deterministically, like a machine, and (3) fear of death that obstructs reasoning about it.
All of these correlate with materialist reductionism. The higher the education level, the stronger the peer pressure and the commitment to that.
To see through Covid, it's very helpful to NOT be atheist, which means nearly ANY kind of spiritual, but also to not follow a religious hierarchy. The largest religious hierarchies have been captured, so that those people could be led as well.
For me the members who don’t believe it are intrinsically curious and open-minded, tryst their own intuitions and ability to make up their own minds, disagreeable and non-conformist. The ones stuck in the narrative are led easily to conclusions by ‘authorities’ and mostly just cannot see the big picture because of the enormity of the corruption/deceit. Their response is incredulity but they rationalize it w/ msm propaganda talking points. No scratch n’ sniff urge there at all.
Instead , I simply show the video of Dr Mullis very agitatedly calling Fauci an incompetent fraud and liar who should not hold his position and stating flat out the PCR is NOT a diagnostic tool and was never intended as one.
Pretty hard to argue was the a Nobel prize winner over his invention...
I am just a schlub electrician and I am able to understand. All you need do is be interested and pay attention. If you blindly believe Pope Fauci and the politically driven MSM you are going to be lost. I also watched my seventeen year old son, now 37, experience his first psychotic episode. He was smoking pot at the time. He was later diagnosed with schizophrenia which he still suffers from to day. As hard as I tried to steer him into sports and other outdoor activities he gravitated toward gaming, raunch music and drugs. I suffer from depression and drank beer and smoked pot in college and somewhat beyond. If I smoked too much I would sometimes experience paranoia but never got violent. My son was able to steer clear of the legal system and is med compliant but lives a very constricted life.
As to paranoia, there's a guy down the street from me who's a known pot smoker/consumer, with security cameras and warning signs all over his property that you're being recorded. He even stuck creepy eyes on the windows. I'm a little afraid of this guy. He's been aggressively nasty on Next Door, to anyone who steps sideways on his grass plot.
Yes, I’ve seen this guy before and his theories are intriguing and worthy of serious consideration. On this one you sent I was particularly fascinated with his observation (around the 42 minute mark if I remember correctly) that in previous episodes of mass hypnosis in recent history, those that proved to be immune to the Kool Aid came from all walks of life, all cultural backgrounds, all levels of education and so on. Straight out of Revelations.
Nah, don’t think so. My husband, now 69, has smoked for 50 years and has never had any fear of covid. Nor have 2 of our 4 grown children who also smoke. All have worked throughout the pandemic and been exposed to covid several times.
Fair enough, but can I at least get you to concede that others have reported a different experience and unless you dismiss them as dishonest, you are forced to confront the possibility that there exists this correlation that I suggest?
Are the two of you still sexually active, especially with the pot shops selling weed with 10-28% THC. I'm telling you. Two tokes of Durban Poison or some good sativa rocks my world with good sex. The vagina feels so much better.
might be a kind of circular reasoning thing. those are mainly the blue states, right? (I'm a foreigner, hypnotised by the USA surreal chaos). So madness is the rule not the exception. You'd do well to have your own circle of friends and stay aloof, maybe even stay indoors. Stay stoned. 'Go away' to a better place.
So those same authorities who made the chaos you stay away from now begin to mandate lockdowns and you don't protest because what's the use? And what difference is it going to make to you? You'll just bong on as usual.
So they mandate.
And you bong on. And friends who would've gone out stay in and join in.
So the authorities are heartened (as they are all over the world) and can't believe their luck and push and push to see just how far they can push...
….and that was the case for the citizens of Huxley’s dystopian Brave New World with their SOMA holidays or, more recently, the mass of humanity plugged into the Matrix.
Cannabis can do some weird things to the immune system too, like wipe out T cells & white cells. They do regenerate after 9 weeks or so but chronic use doesn’t seem to bode well for long term users. The research is all over the place on this subject, a recent study showed endocannabinoids can be protective of lung cells. I tried a high dose of CBD & it knocked my (normally above average) immune system down pretty hard. Considering SCV-2 can get into the brain & wreak havoc maybe there’s a correlation b/t cannabis & Covid susceptibility on the neurological end. As far as the blue state paranoid thing, I think the root cause is ideological.
I take cbd only. I take a high quality product and have not heard of it wrecking havoc with your immune system. Do you have any links you can provide? Thx.
Btw I take synchronicityhempoil.com. The 1000 mg bottle of tinctures. My cardiologist recommends this product to his patients and I trust him implicitly. I think if it was going to mess with my immune system, he wouldn’t recommend this to me or his heart patients. Just saying.
Also I didn’t say CBD “wreaks havoc” SCV-2 does that. I said CBD can do weird things to the immune system & it *seems* that healthier ppl are more prone to negative effects from immunosuppression.
Like I said in another post, I didn't have a choice of mg. MM was new to the state and there was a lot of confusion. There were only 2 dispensaries in the entire state. Doctors were happy to get on board for the cash only appointments but I think they were just winging it. Budtender? There wasn't any such thing at the time. Perhaps it's different now, but I'm not willing to spend more money on it. As far as I know, the state license that allows you to get MM is still only good for 7 months. Between $$$ doctor visits, state license fees, and the costly product, I'm better off buying good wine and CBD cream.
In states like CA, the doctor prescription is $60, but no need since it's allowed as recreational. No one is mentioning in the deleterious effects of alcohol, which is available on so many street corners across America and the world. My father died of liver and kidney failure and alcoholism destroyed any possibility of a normal family life for me and my siblings. I chose THC as an alternative to pain management. Alcohol gave me longer term debilitation. Used in the right amount, AND I CONSUMED IT NOT SMOKED IT, it can be very calming when wanted or creativity inducing. It's also less toxic to the liver than many meds. The key is moderation. Thanks Ben Franklin!
Same here. Spent 100s getting the card all for nothing. Well my wife enjoyed my laying in the recliner for 3 days from it. She did need the break I'll admit because she's my caregiver.
In the 70s I did smoke a but, laughing, eating, sleeping, not fighting, mellow. There is no doubt chemicals in it now that simply doesn't have a place in society.
BTW every cancer patient I know ultimately died, so it doesn't cure sh¡t. If it weren't for opiods they would've died in awful pain.
When I tried it, my state had just legalized medical marijuana and the options were limited. If the doctor wrote a script for X, the dispensary would only sell you X. I remember going back to the dispensary and learning they did have a CBD/THC mix, but they wouldn't sell it to me unless I went back to the doctor (and paid for another visit) and asked him to write a new script. It was getting ridiculously expensive (2 doctor visits just to get approved, plus the state license that expired in less than a year, and the product and vape pen) so I just gave up.
I don't know about that. I'm 68. The last time I smoked weed was in 1973. My brother-in-law and I had just purchased half a pound of Colombian for our personal use. I stuffed my Meershaum water pipe and was blissfully toking away. My clean-shaven BIL returned from the bathroom with a freshly grown full beard and a pair of horns. Then a cat appeared and was running around on the ceiling. That was the last time I smoked weed.
I took two long drags on a strain called chemdog and had the worst 4 hours of feelings of sheer despair that still haunts me today. That was three years ago, some of that shit is bad news. Never again.
I seek out the highest THC content for flower, vape cartridges and live resin. Even used Chemdog on occasion - never any incidences of despair, though. The only time I witnessed that was 30 years ago, after a week on speed, coming down from that brought feelings of despair. I don't touch pills of any kind these days, just weed for me.
I think there was something else in your weed to cause you to see that. I've never witnessed any hallucinations from marijuana ever. Now LSD, that's different, but even using that I didn't witness the kinds of things you're describing. I saw colors distorting and sounds amplified, which was cool phenomena to experience - but I didn't see things that weren't there, rather enhancements of what was there...
Bingo, sounds like he was smoking wet or that spice bullshit that turns people into tweakers/ zombies. Remember when the guy in Florida chewed somebody's face? He was using spice.
I had the same experience with LSD except for one time when I hallucinated. It was pretty scary. I'm still waiting for the flashbacks "they" promised me.
Well I'll be damned. I never knew that. Thanks for that. If I ever go the dope again I'll go the alice b's and I'll know to wait.... :) Be interesting to read more about the chemistry. What's the 'stronger' form of THC? And how do they measure the strength (I've suddenly thought, to myself ) ? By the level of your psychosis? By the level of your high? Or by the concentration of the chemical in the blood - which might have nothing to with either - or might - but point is we don't know?
All very interesting.
Thing that gets me about all this is just about nobody mentions any 'enlightenment' or opening of doors or gaining of understanding, etc., which to my mind was always what it always was about.
Like to be crude about it the weed made an antisocial essentially marginalised and cynical, embittered hate and grudge filled individual see that life, reality, is really something quite different and wonderful in a very convincing way.
So convincing that he was convinced the 'high' could be 'maintained' with less and less weed. That the 'new realisation' , the new way of seeing and knowing the world and the people in it could be permanently kept without needing the weed.
And so it proved. For this individual anyway.
And I wonder for how many more?
For isn't this - apart from its own fundamental importance - a significant counter to any accusations of promoting psychic illnesses in some? In that it may well be curing and dispelling psychic and embryonic psychic illnesses in others?
Seen in isolation.
Seen in the context of drawing people away from alcohol and the psychological damage it does it then becomes even more conspicuously import as a counter.
Bullshit. Yes there are higher amounts of THC in the modern strains, but high amounts or any amounts of THC does not cause psychosis in anybody. Something is wrong with Alex's brain that's the problem, marijuana isn't the problem. THC doesn't do that to anybody, no matter how much THC is involved.
I don't know what kind of "expert" you are to make such pronouncements, with such certainty, about THC, psychosis and Alex's brain but you should remember that experts are frequently those who can't see beyond what they already know. Such scattergun judgements don't recommend you much.
I'm not seeking recommendations of me regarding anything. My expertise is exclusively based as a 45 year user, aware of marijuana related news, science and reports as they become publicly available - no science reports have suggested that psychosis is even a possible result of marijuana use. Psychosis is different that other kinds of crazy, and not caused by use or overuse of marijuana.
Not at all, I'm always this way - my eccentric 147 IQ brain just works differently than most. I smoke pot to calm the constant brain storm going on inside my head. ;)
That's an interesting take. My son's IQ is somewhere on a par with you and he uses pot to calm himself as well. I don't know my IQ and am not inclined to find out. I have never known anybody who was truly served by knowing their own intelligence score. Many feel pressured to measure up to some arbitrary expectations -usually their own. I'm satisfied to feel that I'm of average intelligence- whatever that is- but I have always felt that the true signs of intelligence are more than Stanford-Binet scores. Though for what they are Stanford-Binet tests may be the best, but I have always felt that smart and intelligent are rarely the same thing.
I'm willing to stand corrected here. My own drug experience goes back 50 years. I have used, or at least tried, almost everything that was common from 1970 to the 1990's except heroin and crack cocaine. I never forgot that I had taken a drug to get to the state - whatever it was- that I was in, but I knew some people who did; many because they used the drugs so continuously they became estranged from "normal" consciousness. I had a friend who used to say there wasn't a drug that could get you more f***ed up than good marijuana, and I tend to agree with that.
I didn't mean to offend you with the "scattergun judgements don't recommend you much". It was stolen from a Robert Duval line in 'Lonesome Dove'. My point was that none of us here online, unless we're personal acquaintances of Alex, can know the state of Alex's brain and don't really have any right to call it into question. It's perfectly alright to disagree with his conclusions but not to call into question his mental state. Personally I agree with you that for adults who have been adults since the 1970's there is little evidence of detriment from THC. However there has been a steady rise in mental instability in children since the 1970's and coupled with the unbridled doping of kids with ADHD drugs I suspect that very powerful THC could indeed induce extreme reactions.
In the end, we're all dancing around the fact that these are mind affecting drugs, and the human brain isn't all that well understood by anybody. But because marijuana use has been well used by a vast population over decades, if not a century and more. If there were any multiple instances of psychotic breakdowns related to marijuana, especially being pointed out by those against it's use - it would be well known by the user population. Since that isn't a known factor, I base my conjectures on data. New, controversial data that is so much in opposition to the historical data, seems more likely an anomaly, or as I'm stating nothing true about it. The vast evidence is against this single case, so unless verified, I find it not believable.
Consider that anybody viewing the 1950's movie, Reefer Madness, who today smokes weed now that is a complete propaganda joke - nothing real in it's premise at all. And this incident with Alex falls right into the Reefer Madness psychosis. We all still think Reefer Madness is a joke, so how could be see Alex's point as anything but a joke as well?
Yeah, I brought down a lot of acid trips by doing things like having the freak out walk a few steps in the snow, showed them the tracks and said, " See, the world is the same, you walk in snow, you leave tracks.
Nothing has changed the world is exactly as it always has been.
It's you that is being weird because you took a powerful drug, and you are stoned.
In a few hours, you will come down, and wish you had a buzz again".
"no science reports have suggested that psychosis is even a possible result of marijuana use"
Incorrect.
"Cannabis as a risk factor for psychosis: systematic review"
Early use of cannabis did appear to increase the risk of psychosis. For psychotic symptoms, a dose-related effect of cannabis use was seen, with vulnerable groups including individuals who used cannabis during adolescence, those who had previously experienced psychotic symptoms, and those at high genetic risk of developing schizophrenia. In conclusion, the available evidence supports the hypothesis that cannabis is an independent risk factor, both for psychosis and the development of psychotic symptoms.
I firmly believe from what I have read and researched, that pot can exacerbate the the onset of the first psychotic episode of schizophrenia. Because I still suffer from guilt because I was not able to keep my kid away from drugs, who now suffers from schiz, I would certainly be motivated to believe all the "evidence" that pot is harmless.
My son also suffers from schizophrenia and early age drug use. My theory is that many people when first recognizing their ailment self medicate with drugs and alcohol, just trying to fit in, be "normal"
a stoned pothead. some are quite angry folks generally at odds with a world they don't like and mainly because they see it as not liking them: and they take to toking in order to mellow out; that's where they'd rather be.
i governments have long been insane and they were back then.. it's illegal to want to be mellow and find a way to do it
remember way back then i heard that in Texas you could get life imprisonment for weed. Is that true, was that true? And if so what happened to those guys, are they still there?
And what happened to the criminal lunatics that put them there? Same as what's happening to the criminal lunatics who're doing the covid think? Higher salaries, promotions, kickbacks, generally lauded?
We are, in person, I'm not confrontational at all, but when I see bullshit in a post, I have to respond. Still I don't use vitriol, insulting language or cursing in any such response, so somewhat "mellow" compared to many opposition posts...
So you believe everything you read in a book just because it is in a book? If COVID taught us anything is that experts are not to be trusted just because someone calls them experts or even if they have spent the last 40 years running a government agency.
If it's not a well thought out argument, or an argument with gaps in it's logic, it's just as easy to argue against, just no way to post that response to an author. I'm "arguing" with a post on a thread, not an argument in my head - I don't have those. My thoughts generally lead to one true answer, not answers that require arguments to decide...
Too much edibles can result in a horrific o/d experience. New users are frequently dosed with way too much THC when trying edibles, causing nausea, vomiting, dizziness, profuse sweating, rapid heartbeat, and a sense of eminent death, though I am unaware of any deaths occurring from a THC overdose. In other words, NOT FUN. Usually 20 mg is about the highest normal dose for a frequent user and someone with less experience should do half that and not increase for at least 2 hours.
That sounds reasonable. Honestly I didn't like edibles years ago because I never could figure out the dosing. It felt like it was too little or way too much so I just smoke and vape.
The only way one can get crazy smoking pot, the person was crazy, before they smoked it.
Whenever one takes any drug, bendryl makes me have nightmares, so I can't sleep.
We give benedryl to babies like candy. It doesn't mix with me, so I don't take it. I never gave it to my daughters. Same DNA.
I played sports heavy till I was 25. Then I did heavy construction, highway work for 20 years. I've been a cabinet maker, installer designer for the last 20 years. The only surgery I've ever had was a hernia in 81'. I've been smoking pot at various levels since I was 15. Some people don't like how pot makes them feel, just like me and benedryl. I took Ibreprofen and aspirin for 35 years, It gave me an ulcer so now I don't take any pain meds, but legal CBD liquid for pain. Because I smoked all those years, my body was comfortable with the product, it helps, but just like morphine, I still have pain. I don't like opiods at all. Candy may be dandy but liquor is quicker.
Long story short. Some things work for a person and some don't. In a legal pot state, you can get pot, that won't make you feel paranoid. Today THC has been developed to fit the person taking it, for their needs, if they need it. It has done miracles for stopping siezures, but it is still a plant, not a man made drug. THC like any other drug, doesn't make humans harm humans.
I 1000% disagree. Maybe it's genetics but I could never smoke it because I always went into full on paranoia that definitely boarders on psychosis. I cannot tolerate it. Got two schizophrenic siblings, one of whom had his first episode right after his first toke and has never been completely sane since. I don't think your 'one size fits all' defense is legit.
I was making the case for the freedom, to chose how we medicate.
One could buy more meds off a counter in a drug store, with far more'potential' side affects than cannabis has ever had, while the politically motivated CDC, the AMA and drug companies, are looking for profit and power, not our health, over all of us.
Your opinion is powerful, for you, and I respect that. Please give me the same choice to take care of myself and mine.
No worries. I was responding to the guy that said THC doesn’t cause psychosis, ever. Like he had settled the science on that all by himself. I agree with different strokes for different folks. That was my point as well :)
According to one study I read, up to 10% of cannabis users experience psychosis. I have experienced psychosis after smoking (and after eating once) on several occasions. Legalization has helped in that there are more strains and THC percentage is listed. There are also strains with high CBD, which prevents psychosis.
The most common pot smoked in the 60s and 70s was "Thai Stick," which GIs brought home from Vietnam. It's still available, and has a THC content of 15-20%. This is similar to pretty much every strain on the market, though some are up to 25%. There are many other factors here. If you smoked a "modern" sativa strain grown outside in the sun, it would be a very similar experience.
I beg to differ on Maui. Not nearly as potent as today's delivery systems. If you're referring to Thai sticks soaked in opium you may be right. And a lot of people are stoned all day. As they were in the 70s to negligible effect.
Unless you live in Hawaii, it is doubtful you ever actually smoked any.
And Thai does not need an Opium boost.
I have yet to see anything even as strong as real Santa Marta Red, and I know from many other forums that there are as many who agree with my perceptions as yours.
I recall one particularly powerful batch of Santa Marta Gold.
The dealer handed out a joint, then went in the kitchen and made a Tin Roof Sundae.
Then he said " Want some?", and pointed to the kitchen, laughing because he knew no one would be able to stand up.
Even shipments varied tremendously, and connections even more.
People that talk about weak seventies weed had lousy connections, and can't accept that reality.
I never said it wasn't possible, perhaps your reading comprehension is impaired.
If you think flying to Hawaii is a guaranteed shot, you must not realize there is a cadre in every Pot Tourism destination dedicated to fleecing the tourists, and if you think flying there guaranteed the " real thing" you are inagining things not in evidence.
I upvotes your one sensible post, but this one makes your not holier than thou claim more than a little dubious.
This saber rattling is ridiculous. If you can't recognize that the Marijuana commercially available today is at least as strong as anything available in "your day" you're an ill informed fool. And you add in ubiquitous edibles that are metabolized differently and we're dealing with a different problem.
I went to HS and 2 years of college in Hawaii. Would warn visiting mainlanders to limit themselves to just one hit to check tolerance. Invariably they would smoke like they were still in Chicago and after 3 bong hits would be drooling zombies.
What is going to happen with commercial made MMJ GUMMY BEARS, with adult doses? Toddlers don't know the difference, pets especially dogs are attracted to MMJ, now Fentanyl has been found on it. Recipes can be found on YouTube to make your own Gummy Bears. It has been said for years it's the gate way drug to heavier ones. FDA open a very big door. I'm 73, and like you remember the Weed revolution. People who use it have no qualms of sharing it with non users as Brownies. I remember 1 story of a teacher at a meeting serving it as her bring your own dish. Several got sick. She thought it was funny to get a bunch of anti-MMJ users high. As I go through the Health aisle at the grocery store these Gummy Bear products keep growing in type, shape, fewer per bottle at higher cost. Some are down right dangerous in adult strengths to Toddlers. Even the consumption of the ones made for them can mean a ER trip for stomach pumping, as it is a over dose.
I believe the author was referencing gummy shaped products which are proliferating in stores (vitamins etc). All to get everyone used to consuming gummies so pot gummies, no big deal. Meanwhile everyone is at home refusing to work and staying high all day. Perfect people to be manipulated by communists.
Good question. I know little about MMJ but I lived in CA until earlier this year, and the local health food store had a whole shelf full of CBD gummies. I thought you had to go to a MMJ dispensary for products that contained THC as well as CBD, but perhaps I was wrong or things have changed. I don't remember CBD gummy bears, though; the ones I saw were shaped like gum drops (would still look and taste like candy to a kid).
I smoked for the first time in 1968 at the age of 14. While it is true Mexican schwag -- Cannabis with seeds -- was popular, plenty of very potent strains -- Monkey Paw, Thai Stick -- were also available at that time. I've been smoking about a gram a day for 50 years. I grow my own Sensimillia (female plants that have no seed) which are as strong as they come. Cannabis has no more effect on me than coffee when smoked. Edibles are an entirely different subject and "yes" you need to understand your dosing limits when it comes to edibles.
I don’t do cannabis now or only rarely. Did it daily in 70’s thru 80’s some in 90’s B4 drug testing became common. From Mex to hi quality Columbian to Thai to Mowie to today’s hi potency stuff. For me no psychosis, maybe a but of paranoia 1st 15 minutes or so.
Chemicals affect everyone differently, pot is usually relaxing or energizing. However it is a distraction from a connection to God.
From my experience, true Psychotic paranoia came from (after some time of use) cocaine. After enuff of that, looking constantly out windows and knowing “they” are coming in at any moment and being ready with weapon nearby, psychosis is raging. I’m sure tweakers feel the same after enough.
Hard to image this kind of insanity with weed, but again, chemcals do different things to different people.
They are all a basic distraction from what is important, that is God.
Peace out. Be careful with you drug choices, whatever they are.
not in Aus. that I know of. Remember Aus? As is? Saw the pics? Pregnant mum in pyjamas manacled in her own kitchen and carted off for making a facebook post?
You can kneel on a woman's back and pepper spray her again and again - that's good policing, and brings the nation closer to its goal but I don't think you can smoke marijuana, that increases happiness and takes the nation further away...
I remember it alright. And I was there all through the movement from it to hash and then stronger hash to 'laced' hash. all made 'necessary' by govt. interventions - the thin end of the 'drug war', the greatest evil to befall the planet (prior the covid madness).
I smoked for about 25 years I reckon and in the finish gave up just from lack of interest. Gave up cigarette smoking some time prior to that because mary jane made cigarette smoking seem so crappy.
'lack of interest' because I think I finally got into a headspace where the weed wasn't opening any new doors, providing any revalations - where I'd finally, 'got the message' as you might say or could ' maintain the high' as we used to say, without needing it.
And that, for me and those I hung out with was always an inner core intent of the bonging on: to get the head to where it could see the world that way without needing any assistance.
Because we recognised it as a better way.
Remember?
That was such a common perception back then that Bob Dylan sang 'everyone must get stoned'. Meaning in the interests of realising a truth of value. Exemplified I guess by 'flower power' movements and such.
Seems to be nothing like that now, hasn't been for a long time that i know of.
But I've been off on my own, detached from the 'mainstream' for a long time now. Way prior to gothic and heavy metal and all that stuff which seems grossly anti life to me.
Sometimes think nowadays that I wouldn't mind the odd toke but talk of paranoia - I've just about too frightened into today's world to give it a go. frightened it may be far too strong and mutated, frightened it may be laced, frightened I may get sprung and busted bad in a world where they have $1000 penalties for just running a red light.
Where the covid thing is not waning but increasing.
Now it would be something like 25 - 30 years ago I gave it up. Am I paranoid from then, or am I paranoid from now or am I just a realist?
If you aren’t familiar with AB’s past work, you might not understand. It’s not satire. And it’s not simple to explain (I wish it were!). But the best I can do: he wrote about the danger of pot (can cause mental illness). Very few took him seriously. Now, he’s exposing Covid/Vax and the cycle is repeating (common sense ignored by media or worse, slandered).
exactly, not being holier than thou...I've had my struggle with alcohol and sex addiction and thank God came through. Ppl who drink daily and smoke pot often, are using as a coping mechanism... unresolved childhood trauma and/or started using in their teens. You don't start drinking and smoking pot as a kid because you grew up in a loving involved healthy family. It comes from lonliness, neglect, abuse and peer pressure because your parenting left you fumbling with your identity.
I am not trying to out holy you either, I just have experience both then and now.
Back then, mocked fake Thai from crap connections as " Tied on a stick", and there was lots of it, also weed with a red color passed off as " Redbud" when it never likely came close to Columbia.
In 1982, my Venezuelan classmates flew home on Spring Break for the sole purpose of smuggling a quarter ounce apiece of " Bud Roja" for the Rolling Stones concert in Houston.
They would not smoke " Skunk Weed", the precursor of modern green.
They called it lawn clippings, and said they could grow better weed throwing seeds into their backyards.
I did not doubt them, and when they shared just one with me, it was the same as I used to get.
I have evaluated things as well as I can and I do feel people don't know what good weed is, and many spent the seventies smoking counterfeits of the legendary strains, causing them to believe basement pot is the pinnacle.
when I quit drinking in january, it was after reading "the easy way to control alcohol". Quite a few eye opening things I've never heard before. I drank to relax and it helped me fall asleep, stress reliever after a hard day of work. Alcohol acually causes stress on your mind and body and liver ect... it causes inflammation in the brain and every part of the body. It also increases anxiety. Anything you read on alc and sleep confirms it hurts your good sleep cycles. I still wake up in the night several times, but I feel good when I wake up...better than a bottle of wine the night before. Not condemning, simply liking the open dialogue on here of ppl sharing their experiences. The coolest concept in the book is... never look at all the negatives from drinking, those aren't the reasons ppl do it. They drink b/c they believe there are benefits. So, when changing course, look at all the benefits that you will get and keep noticing them. It's like gratitude.
Anyone who trusts shrinks is several standard deviations from tracking reality accurately.
Now I should believe Reefer Madness was factual documentary?
You can't use any intoxicant all day every day and stay rational and balanced, it's ridiculous to pretend pot is the devil in the face of the reality that any other drug would unhinge you more quickly.
Try smoking crack, see how insightful that makes you.
Acknowledging the harmful effects of marijuana on youthful brain development is not the same thing as minimizing the effects of harder drugs. No one did that.
Children (still developing) also those prone to/family history of illness. Frankly, in this case, it could be the subject had a history of abuse and the drug amplified it. I don’t know the whole story.
Pointing out that marijuana can be dangerous for a subset of the population does not equate to being "against marijuana". My understanding is that Alex just wants people to know the whole truth. And it is especially important that children understand that there are very real dangers to using marijuana. It has the potential to bring serious psychological problems to the surface in certain individuals, almost always young people. It is particularly important to avoid using it on a developing brain. That is why Alex wants parents to tell their children the truth.
Don’t get me wrong, I have nothing against the book and what he’s doing. I just don’t believe that it necessarily makes people violent. I think the guy that got arrested just had anger issues and was violent to begin with. Marijuana always seems to be a convenient excuse to blame the violence on. Just my two cents.
I tried smoking weed 2 or 3 times and it never had any effect on me, probably didn't enter the lungs since I don't know how to smoke. So when i got offered a brownie i thought there's no way anything can happen. I ended beating 4 people in a hospital. Broke a doctor's ribs... Never have I gotten into a fight, I'm the least confrontational guy you'll meet. The rare occasion I get drunk, I never get too drunk. I'll pass out and vomit before I do something reckless.
I don't believe in hell, but I shit you not, when the ambulance came for me, I thought my whole life was a cruel joke to prepare me for a never ending hell in that ambulance. My mother could've come and tell me everything is alright and I would've believed she is a lying demon. Time would simply not pass. The paramedic behind choked me to restrain me - i was trying to explain the nurse in front that I was taking antibiotics, I'm a hypochondriac and was worried she'd give me something that would interact with them. She probably saw me looking at her weird and the guy behind choked me. They all looked distorted and evil, like caricatures. There is no comparison for the pure terror i felt there. I have never been so afraid in my entire life.
I know some people do nasty shit on alcohol. I cannot understand how those people feel, but for me, they're orders of magnitude apart in danger for the brain. I feel with a bit of bad luck, I could've killed someone in that hospital. So I'm very against saying it's a harmless peaceful drug. Even Joe Rogan said he had some super paranoid episodes on weed. I realize though, nothing I say can overcome your bias. You look like you have your mind made up.
I cough every time I smoke so I'm not sure if it has any effect. Also I've heard there are some people resistant to weed so maybe I didn't feel it in small quantities and when I ate that brownie I was a big overdose.
Pretty simple. It's like alcohol, it inebriates you and you likely will do things you would not do when in your sober right mind! Everything I've done that I wish I hadn't was while drunk.
so can life. and that's it. none of this is in context. matching like-for-like there's far more danger in making draconian restrictions to people than in the things people would do to and of themselves. that's why I say Alex's piece is not good. it's all set to stir a pot always ready to boil over. check reality, look at the covid thing. at any time there's a vast danger of being crippled, put down, murdered by the oppression loving. whatever you should call them. i don't know. but those who think the answer to every evil they can imagine - and they do simply imagine most of them - is to impose draconian restrictions and penalties.
While I agree that it can cause psychosis, I’ve experienced psychosis and it definitely didn’t cause me to be violent it more or less made me more sympathetic of others.
It also generates paranoia and a belief that someone is attacking you and you need to attack “back”. In some people.
It’s the paranoia that can be dangerous. I’ve experienced it myself. It’s very aggressive paranoia against something an individual has said or done in the moment like in this story. I’ve also experienced paranoid schizophrenia and it isn’t the same. It’s very acute and in the moment.
I’m sorry. That sounds difficult for you and those around you at the time I’m guessing! It’s My brother can get aggressive with too much.. and my mum. I just get silly most of the time. Alcohol can be very very dangerous too and I think most are aware of this luckily!
The same could be said about alcohol, which is often blamed for violence in people. The fact is drugs, alcohol reduce one's control and inhibition. When this happens things don't usually go well, for some people they go worse. Nevertheless, it is rare that people go off on psychotic rages without the use, at some point, of a chemical substance. The difficult part is trying to identify those adults chemical substances will cause psychotic episodes. For teens and children the answer is simple, chronic use will invariably lead to some mental and perhaps physical issues. The gist of Alex's book is that society should better protect the youth, while monitoring adult usage for issues.
What frustrates me is that we know some people do violent things when they drink alcohol we don’t blame it on the alcohol itself - we blame it on the person. But when someone does something violent while high on cannabis - we blame it on the cannabis and say, “look what it makes people do, they didn’t have control over their actions because of the weed”
Clearly the government does blame alcohol, which is why there are certain restrictions. There are laws against having/using firearms while under the influence, for example. Why? Because violence tends to break out. On commercial airlines alcohol can be limited due to passenger violence and in most bars when a person reaches a certain state of inebriation they are cut off and asked to leave. Alcohol and weed are both mind altering substances, therefore they do share blame in violence or irrational behavior of individuals who are "high" on them. Neither are benign and both can pose danger, and as such, we as a society should recognize and acknowledge the danger.
You’re misunderstanding my argument here. I’m all for having more severe consequences while intoxicated period. But why is it that you’re more severely punished while drunk rather than high? This guy got manslaughter because he was high but if he was drunk he’d still get a murder charge. Thus why I feel that we blame the substance rather than the person.
Yes, to some degree I did misunderstand your argument. I agree with you that the punishment should be equal regardless the substance used, what I don't understand is the notion of blaming the substance. It is my understanding we are blaming the indiscriminate usage of substances. My argument is that each of them are conducive to changing a person's mentality and therefore should be viewed as problematic for an orderly society. I'm not arguing for illegality, rather for more responsibility on those that use and that when problems are identified users are diverted into programs to stop usage as they are unable to handle drug usage. The first step is recognizing that marijuana and it's psyche altering derivatives are not simply benign drugs, but are more powerful and dangerous than most believe. Thanks for explaining your position, I hope I understood you better.
There’s a lot to consider in these cases and I think you’re jumping to conclusions. Laced cannabis, pre-existing mental illness, etc. I don’t think cannabis can make just anyone into a stone-cold killer. I think the ability and urge to kill someone is deeply rooted in their psyche and it’s possible cannabis could bring that to the surface. I appreciate your posts and hearing the other side, but I think your over-simplifying.
You have no idea what teenage brains that are still maturing into the early 20s are capable of being disrupted and destroyed by 20% + THC content, if not laced with ketamine, PCP, and even Fentanyl and formaldehyde will do to unsuspecting users.
By the way, to other readers here, almost ALWAYS the folks who dismiss or minimize risks by use of daily cannabis are either pathetic clueless stoners, owners of pot shops, or, have agendas by the Left to encourage the inevitable scene from the movie Idiocracy, that fairly much the whole population is just sitting at home stoned and watching pathetic stupid useless TV shows, and think Gatorade is the only liquid to drink and use...
Think about it, you serfs are relentlessly stoned and inattentive to what the rulers really want, disposable bodies to do the grunt work, until they fall to the ground spent, unconscious, and/ or dead...
If your writing is an example of being fully educated, I'll take mine rare. Most of your comments are insulting rants directed at your fellow participants here. Belittling everyone else while presuming a status for yourself of superior intelligence and enlightenment is a sign of a disturbed mind.
The Joe Rogan episode with Sanjay Gupta is interesting, because in it, Rogan, an admitted fan of weed talks about a buddy of his that went crazy and was mental altered after eating a high dosage edible (I think he ingested it). I know I have had a few experience with homemade edibles where even though I started small the dosage wasn’t consistent. When I’ve had them from dispensary the experience has been as desired.
I can't say its impossible for someone to 'snap' due to cannabis because we just don't know. We don't know the medical history of Rogan's friend, nor do we know exactly what he smoked. That aside, I believe that every human being is unique and may respond to certain chemicals differently, especially THC and related cannabinoids.
Cannabis being federally illegal and off-the-table for researchers for so long has put us way behind where we should be. We are now in a position where states are fully legalizing it and we still don't know the full effects it has on developing brains and on those with certain mental conditions. Had cannabis been available to researchers decades ago, we might have been set on a very different path.
I haven't read Alex's book, though cannabis has been used by humans for thousands of years and our brains have even evolved THC specific receptors for it. Cannabis is used widely across the West coast today - if there were any strong correlation between cannabis and turning someone with normal psychology into a psychotic we would be aware of it.
Just because a receptor allows for the binding of a chemical does not mean that that receptor developed SPECIFICALLY for that chemical. Coronavirus binds to Ace 2 receptors that does not mean that it belongs in our body.
Sorry to say, you're right...Though I find it hard to call them "Progressives" any more. They are regressing to the mean -- where "mean" is a synonym for "cruel."
I'm not an apologist for anything. I don't have a strong opinion about pot legalization or decriminalizationonecway or the other. I don't smoke. I'm just knowledgeable about it. I bet that guy drinks coffee also. Definitely makes people more edgey than pot. I also know that the vast majority of legalization proponents are totally ignorant about the treaty basis of all US drugs laws. I am opposed to treaty-based domestic laws, and that includes treaty-based drug laws. It gets me how people make assumptions stereotyping people based on zero information and purely uninformed assumptions.
I'm not reading anything I know to not be factual. If I did, I'd waste valuable time chasing down rabbit holes. This is so low on the list of things important that it merits no effort.
I mentioned Reeder Madness only as a joke. When I first say this subject I thought it was a lampoon spoof. I didn't think it was any more intended to be taken seriously than the 1930s film (which we would get high before class when we were scheduled to watch it). With all due respect to our host.
Bingo. I know a lot of potheads, professional people who smoke regularly and are highly successful. Almost everyone in my life smokes pot. I'm 50 and this has been the case since I was in my late teens. Don't know a single person who has gone psychotic from the reefer.
I'm going to have to go ahead and disagree with you on this one Alex. Just to be clear, I'm not defending or supporting or denouncing the use of cannabis. I don't have a dog in that fight. But there are billions of people smoking and eating or who have otherwise used cannabis products. If there were a direct correlation to cannabis use and psychotic episodes let alone murder I'd think we'd have heard about it in rather dramatic fashion, don't you? In fact I'd think everyone would know someone whose had these problems. No, I'm going to put my money on this damaged human had a psychotic disorder long before he ever ingested cannabis. And the cannabis is an incidental variable in the overall equation and this is more an indictment of a mental health system that failed this couple. That's a fight I do have a dog in. 25 years I was in it. 17 of them as a Case Manager for DMH in Massachusetts. I also raised my wife's daughter who began suffering bipolar disorder at the very rare age of 5. I know the system and I know it's as broken as those it purports to be helping. Sad case all around.
Well, here in Alberta, emergency room physicians come across many patients who have mental health issues that use cannabis, which furthers psychotic episodes. I have mental health issues and my psychiatrist informs me all the time not to take any cannabis bc of its correlation with psychotic episodes. The two do not mix.
We are not in disagreement. In fact you make my point. Your physician states you have a psychotic disorder and to avoid the use of cannabis. The title of this article is "Cannabis Causes Psychosis". This is simply not so. It may exacerbate the condition but it certainly does not causes it.
I don't need to buy Alex's book ans read it to know that "Cannabis Causes Psychosis" is, in my opinion a false statement. It may exacerbate or encourage the emergence of a condition to which a very small (about 1%) of the population are predisposed. But it most certainly does not "cause psychosis". I like and respect Alex's work. Based on my personal and professional experience with substance use and understanding of mental health dx's, I simply disagree with the statement "Cannabis Causes Psychosis".
What other meds are those patients on? Since, as you said, they have been diagnosed with issues us there any chance their prescribed meds (or lack thereof) could be a contributing factor?
From my experience, the patient(s) go off their prescribed medication and self-medicate with cannabis. So, that’s another reason why, I suppose, they are more likely to reach a state of deep psychosis. Going off a antipsychotic or benzodiazepine and/or both at once can be very dangerous.
So the emergency room visits could be attributed to their getting off meds an smoking pot may be no more a cause to their psychosis than drinking coffee, which of course was my point.
Cannabis is no more causally related to psychosis than alcohol is to alcoholism. Should we try the prohibition experiment again because there is a segment of the population that reacts badly to alcohol and they become alcoholic? Should we place breathalyzer's in every vehicle because some people drive drunk? I like SaHiB's recommendation below. Psych evals prior to MMJ cards👍.
Then you've missed out on the reports--been out there for about a hundred years!
"According to research studies, marijuana use causes aggressive behavior, causes or exacerbates psychosis, and produces paranoia. These effects have been illustrated through case studies of highly publicized incidents and heightened political profiles."
That doesn't negate the point. Wouldn't it be good to know if you are a person that struggles with anger or has certain preexisting risk factors that canibis may NOT be the ticket to help you relax and may instead make something worse?
True. the called it "Reefer Madness" because it was a propaganda film aimed at justifying the Controlled Substances Act. That act was the basis of a power grab by federal bureaucrats who were to be thrown out of work with the repeal of alcohol prohibition. The act was also obviously unconstitutional and established as "federal powers" certain powers that were never granted to the federal government by the US Constitution.
Watch the old film you referenced and see how ridiculously false it is.
I cannot tell you how many of my long time acquaintences 60-70 have over the last 5 years made the drive to CO and bought cookies and gummies and gotten F'd up beyond what used to be smoking a joint. At thanksgiving 2019 a couple almost had to go home! They got something bad or way to strong. A month ago I was invited to The Rolling STones concert and a 65yr old flight attendant in our group pulled out her "gummies"... I said Hell NO. She got antisocial and stood in the hallway behind us through the whole concert. I don't like being with someone high, because they leave you mentally and get in their own little world. Maybe it's fun if you're both doing it together. I agree, something is not right with the new stronger strains. Also, if someone cannot be around others in a social setting without getting high, what's the use of living? I have finally quit drinking wine because I drank at every occasion and drank a bottle daily through the first year of Covid out of boredom and lonliness! Not worth living that way. I thank God every morning for feeling GOOD and having a sober mind.
When I saw Led Zepplin -- some 45 years ago -- the arena was filled with enough pot smoke to cause the global warming freaks to have a flatulating cow.
In fact it is quite clear that the very word 'cannabis' causes extreme paranoia and psychosis in a large segment of the population. I don't know if there's a name for that condition and I can't understand why it hasn't been seriously studied.
If people were going insane at simply reading or hearing the word 'aspirin' or somesuch it'd be a big time news story and science puzzle with everyone working on it.
Wait for the stoners and pot shop owners to tell you those folks were dumb F's who should have known better, and really, they will write it that way once you challenge them, read below, and note I won't be Civil Acquiescing and Tolerant to their pathetic uncaring retorts...
How about we all read the book “Tell your children the truth about Alcohol and it’s destruction of the mind, body and other people”. I’m not a big fan of making it easy for kids to use pot because developing brains are a whole different subject. However, resorting back to irrational and mostly false fear based information like “Reefer Madness” only makes young people think adults are idiots and will never look at Marijuana use properly. This dude was probably an unstable person naturally and this is just the exception that proves the rule. Marijuana is not the Devil.
I was also speaking more in general, thus my reference to “Reefer Madness”. Since the push for legalization there seems to be a new crop of sensational books to profit off of ignorance. Using fear to force people in some direction never serves the purpose.
I read the book. And like all of his reporting, he includes citations to the sources of the data.
And when you say that you were "speaking more in general", I disagree. You explicitly stated, ".. resorting back to irrational and mostly false fear based information like “Reefer Madness” only makes young people think adults are idiots and will never look at Marijuana use properly." To whom are you referring in making this accusation?
You may have a valid point, but it is completely lost when you make such sweeping generalizations and denigrate information you have not even reviewed. It completely erases any credibility to bring to anything you say.
Citations of bad and biased studies are useless. Anyone who has experienced the last year and half should know how data is manipulated and people who have biases are sitting ducks. Don’t bother arguing with me because I know the truth.
Oh I keep forgetting I have my own personal experience directly on the subject. At one time I have spilled more “strong” Marijuana than most have used. I don’t use it anymore, but have had the occasion to use an edible form since I have developed severe pain from arthritis and its pain relief in this specific instance was very remarkable. As a younger person I didn’t have chronic pain and so the medicinal aspects were not important. We all know what was important…LOL. I also know this, the amounts of over the counter pain relievers I have to take so I can get out bed in the morning will eventually destroy my liver, kidneys and stomach. You want to know what one of the most dangerous drugs in terms of lethality from overdose is Tylenol. It’s LD50 from the set therapeutic dose to possible liver failure is super tight. Basically most people take two 500mg (1000mg) for a headache, yet the possible lethal dose is 3000mg. Young girls due to their low weight end up killing themselves or severely damaging their liver in suicide attempts from Tylenol. Look it up.
I could say the very same of you. You come back quoting me and then attributing 180° opposite opinions about my intent instead of taking my comments as food for thought and capitulate a bit. You seem dug in!! See it’s easy to make simple assumptions. No I’m not triggered, but I do have this other idiot trying their best to do so. See, I have read many, many white papers on this subject and have years of training to understand highly technical information. I tend not to have things fed to me by lay people who usually have a bias on the subject. I go straight to the source.
The more I get to know who Alex Berenson is the more I realize I disagree with him on many things and although I really liked his stance against the whole Scamdemic I am more inclined to not use him as a source because he has a sketchy past on other subjects IMHO. And not just this subject. Mainly he’s a book whore. Finds a subject that’s polarized write a book and make money. I probably should remove myself from his substack so I’m not tempted to comment and get involved with low information people. It was nice to get quick links to Covid lies, but like most things they’re a double edged sword.
Also you represent another huge problem. Many people who think they’re conservative are too stupid to live. I’m a real Constitutional Christian Conservative, but the hard thing I’ve had to swallow is many people who think of themselves as constitutional, christian and conservative have IQ’s so low that they’re an embarrassment to those of us who have brains. Go crawl back under your rock. Troll.
All you can do is lie and make up stuff so you don’t have to discuss real information. For your information I just recently had a totally legit doctor who is part of a huge healthcare system and in practice for years offer to prescribe medical Mariana to me for my sever arthritic pain. I refused. Mostly because I would have to register with the State and mess up my ability to carry. That is more important because you never know when you’ll run into a radical bastard like yourself and have to Rittenhouse their ass.😁😁😁😁
I see a deeper meaning and red flag here. Cannabis, alcohol and other drugs are being supported and defended by a deep state that sees the need to keep the general population in a “frequent happy state” and dependent state to more easily and effectively control them.
Slavery is more alive and well than ever. It’s just high tech style deception now.
LOL. You will own nothing and BE HAPPY. Everyone freaking out about the 'own nothing' part (b/c duh, how can I be happy w/nothing? Horrors!), but nobody paying attention to he 'be happy' part. Likely this story is just a false flag designed to get more widespread acceptance of corporate-controlled doses of happiness--whatever soma-ish pill or nasal spray or VR experience 'they' are going to sell us as "safer" than oohh scary weed (scary everything they don't sell). Sarcasm font. Sort of.
Interestingly, this is also one of the most aggro comments sections I've read today.
FWIW, I think we don't know the whole story on this guy, and to extrapolate from one case is maybe not the best idea.
Been smoking heavily and daily for decades since moving to CA. I used to drink and at times I would become an angry drunk and occasionally violent to material object but not people. In all my times with MJ i have never felt angry like I did drinking. I frankly almost never feel angry at all and certainly far from ever being VIOLENT. I think the people who act out on Pot are the same people who act out under the influence of alcohol, prescription pills, sugar, depression, hunger, etc etc.
I’m with you there dude. Smoking almost daily for 20 years and people always say how chilled out I am. The only arguments I’ve got into in that time is when I’ve been drunk and not smoking. I’ve never got into an argument when stoned, we just end up laughing or forgetting about what we were talking about or both
I was typing something very similar just as you posted this. Agree. It's obvious as the nose on our face for those of us who have actually done both. Most here are just repeating what they've read.
Different people have different reactions to things. I drink even a little and I get severe vertigo, so I can't drink. My husband has tried pot twice hoping it would help relax him instead he had two very unpleasant psychedelic experiences for which he told me he was very glad me and the kids were NOT home.
I believe it and I am sad to hear it. Sometimes you need to do it with someone you trust as smoking can be "spooky" for rookies because the effects can be unexpected.
MJ more of a "totally chillax, lets lay down and watch a movie. something with pretty lights and gfx". Also meaning the original not the freaky modified plants
I hate Gavin Newsom. I love TRUMP. Must suck to be so closed minded. Here is my rumble channel. I was kicked off twatter 4 times because they hated my videos: https://rumble.com/c/c-985863
Once again you act as though people have full control of every aspect of their lives. I work in TV. My wife works in TV. My inlaws live here. We were very hopeful that the recall was going to end up different and have been exploring options since. I am not a quitter and there are plenty of great CA conservatives who are in similar situations and who have been fighting the good fight out here. You, whoever the F you are, are an incredibly unpleasant and ignorant person so I would like to know where you live so I don't move near your idiotic ass.
LMAO alex how many users are not violent psycho's hmm? what is the occurrence, 1 in 1 billion or what? Less than the coronavirus problems that is for sure.
Concur, crazy people are also crazy when they're stoned. Sane people are still sane when they're stoned. This is not difficult. I don't advocate that children be exposed to cannabis or any other mind altering substance either. Cannabis and its derivatives have many medical uses where the alternatives have much worse side effects and often less effectiveness.
I have to disagree due to personal experience. Won’t go into details but our son used cannabis heavily and was indeed psychotic after previously never having the kind of behavior he was demonstrating when using. He then moved on to other forms of mind altering drugs. He went through a treatment program that actually worked. 10 years later he is working for a large financial services firm, drug free, living a normal life-except for the virus of course.
I know a man confined to wheelchair who was bright and fun to converse with. Until his doc started him on "medical marijuana". Now he's effectively a zombie. No thanks.
Under 18s should not smoke cannabis for the same reason they shouldn't be having caffeine either.
It's known to alter the neural networks of a teenagers brain which is not fully developed.
I'm not making excuses for those with psychosis as they should know they have potential to experience it and should be criminally liable when choosing to do drugs .
A lot of FDA sanctioned meds cause Psychosis, mental confusion, and addiction. Now explain how those who suffer the violent trauma of War, find it helps with their PTSD?
And do you know if you have any family history of psychosis? I'd tried marijuana as a college student, flipped out because of a pot brownie and that was before the jacked THC levels of today. At that time I didn't know my paternal grandmother had been a paranoid schizophrenic. I hated the feeling of being stoned and out of control. But didn't know my family history of psychosis: my family is otherwise sane and successful.
Consuming too many edibles is not a comfortable feeling and dosing should be very carefully monitored. I would never advocate that anybody dive in with a large dose. Smoking or vaping is much better in terms of controlling dosing and is of shorter duration if overdone.
I have two friends, whose young sons (20ish) were chronic pot smokers, but otherwise perfectly healthy. They woke up one day with severe symptoms which were later diagnosed first as psychosis and later as a form of schizophrenia. The two specialists they saw (one at UCLA) had no doubt marijuana was the cause. This seems to be common now, unlike the pot we all smoked 20 years ago. Their conditions are permanent. It obviously doesn't happen to everyone, but it's happening, kind of like myocarditis is rare, but isn't.
I knew something was amiss with this enormous push to legalize it, and the feds refusal to enforce the then-federal law against commercial sales/dispensaries. Again, it seems that this "movement" came from the top down and not the other way around. There are no coincidences, no mistakes.
Yes, and in many, many subtle and random ways--all converging. It's almost like a group of people sat in a room and mapped this all out, detail by detail.
seriously Alex you wrote a book on Marijuana?? i am 72 been around it since i was 16 never knew still dont know anyone it has harmed. most cases of this have Fentynal mixed in.
There is no serious medical disagreement on this issue: cannabis causes (or brings to the surface) serious psychological problems like schizophrenia and psychosis in a small subset of the population, usually young men. Every drug has downsides and the people who pretend that marijuana has none are not being honest. And just to be clear, I think that locking people up for marijuana is one of the most insane, destructive policies ever pursued. Marijuana is safe for the large majority of the population but is harmful to a few. Being honest about this is the only way to get the best policy and best outcomes for society.
My stepbrother was stuck in psychosis following marijuana use at university and never recovered. Another friend was hospitalized due to a psychotic episode as a teenager. It doesn’t impact everyone the same way, much as adverse events for certain other drugs/treatments. And again it is ignored and overlooked and these are the minority that suffer. And the general public do need to know the risks as Alex highlights here. Informed choices.
Psychosis does not come about by smoking pot. About the only thing we can say for sure about it is that there is a hereditary factor to it. I have worked in the field seeing people in crisis and I've never seen anything like it. Some drugs, meth, will make you crazy, but that's not psychosis. Psychotic people can be very rational and act purposefully. Crazy people are just off the wall, (https://www.luhrenloup.com/zombie-woman-terrorizes)
Anything can cause a person predisposed to psychosis to slip into a psychotic state. It could be the way the sunlight was refracting against the bedroom mirror.
These cockamamie ideas have more to do with one's moral attitude than with facts.
Mandate means: https://archive.vn/Jt6a1 "A mandate is a contract by which a lawful business is committed to the management of another, and by him undertaken to be performed gratuitously."
Sounds like quilt by association. It's like saying guns cause murders. For pot, it seems as likely that psychos are attracted to pot and other narcotics as an attempt to escape their psychosis, as it would be that pot causes the problems. Lots of people try pot and don't become psychotic. Pot is probably an innocent bystander.
So, what percentage of a disruptive if not disabling side effect makes you start to get concerned that it should be highly regulated if not minimally accessed by the public?
5%, 10%, 20%…?
Going back to the Covid issue, if only 5% of people getting shots get seriously ill and die, is there an acceptable loss for the other 95% to get the full benefit? But, the people who should be notifying us of the risk /benefit profiles aren’t doing so, because they don’t want you to know that the shots to allegedly vaccinate us protectively probably are causing a 25+ percentage of consequences, and, less than 5% of people getting Covid need serious medical interventions if they would be responsibly treated in the first place.
The problem is, most people don’t think about the risk /benefit ratio, until it becomes painfully personal…
First I'd be interested in evidence the factor caused the side effect, not just associated with it. I haven't seen that evidence, which is why I asked it in my comment. The vax is different. We have pretty good evidence it's the cause. In that case, I'd look for benefits and do basic risk management. If the likelihood of harm is greater than benefit, I'd skip it. I don't see any benefit to me from vax, so I remain unvaxed due to the small risk. There is no benefit from pot, so any risk at all would be a disapproval factor. Is there evidence of any risk from pot?
I find your comment just completely disingenuous, you say first that there’s no benefit from vax, and there’s no benefit from pot so, what do you expect as evidence of risk from pot?
Yeah, mind altering substances only have benefits or just neutrality, there never are risks…
Can you have a moment of candor and realize that your comment is just completely utterly and totally disingenuous if not dishonest to offer?!
I will say this, sometimes you write some very intriguing and thought-provoking comments, and then you write this drivel, it’s a level of inconsistency that I just find untrustworthy.
But you don’t care about what I think anyway, so go on…
No benefit to me from vax doesn't preclude benefit to others. It does help some. That's why the vax is optional, despite clumsy government coercion. Pot has no benefit to anyone, and no risk, so it's just entertainment. That's also optional, despite clumsy government coercion.
Most pot users, like most alcohol users, are fairly normal most of the time. Sometimes they're assholes, like some substack users. That's how life works.
Sometimes a question of such profound obviously indignant dismissiveness needs to be either ignored or shoved back up the orifice that spewed it to begin with.
Yes, there is evidence of risk from using pot, but, to even weigh uttering such shit doesn’t deserve further words, you covert leftist operative.
Does anyone else doubt the agenda of this Watson guy here?
It would be simpler, and more effective, to just cite your evidence. Or maybe you're just an overt right wing bully. I can handle bullies. Apparently they can't handle facts.
I don’t know, we can start with the point of this thread by Alex‘s post, but obviously that’s not good enough for you.
If you live long enough, and you interact with human beings of diverse experiences, you’re going to meet someone whose life has been fucked up by using marijuana.
Again as I said at above comment, I find you disingenuous and dishonest these days, but, again, you don’t give a shit what I think, and frankly, I don’t give a shit what you think either so, I guess we’re even.
Live your life under your terms, I hope you get through it in as minimally complicated and disruptive as possible, Happy Thanksgiving…
Still no evidence, I see. Maybe you'll tell us why you're so excited about this. Probably not.. People who don't know shit always like to talk shit. I was a narcotics cop for 10 years. I knew lots of users and lots of dealers. I assure you the dealers, who usually don't use their product (it's just business), are way more psychotic than their customers.
"So, what percentage of a disruptive if not disabling side effect makes you start to get concerned that it should be highly regulated if not minimally accessed by the public?"
My body. My choice. You should have no power over what I do with my body.
This is 2021, not 1971. Yeah, you have the right to choice, and so do the rest of us, to chose to stay the hell away from drug users who won’t take responsibility for the consequences from impaired choices.
But, we continue to allow profoundly impaired assholes from the Left to truly dictate we are to genuflect and obey these antisocial inhumane uncaring scum to kill us with vaccines, ruin our children’s lives with F head leechers, er, teachers, destroy our jobs and impoverish our finances, and cater to criminals and other dysfunctional losers like illegal immigrants and homeless folk who refuse help, and tie it in here, glorify and coddle drug users.
Elites in a moment of candor and brutal honesty would say, “fuck you peasants and responsible folk, you are useless and expendable to us Gods!”
And, the masses kneel and cower to this horrific despicable disgusting hate and lust for power…
Gee, I wonder what next “crash” or “peaceful protest” that destroys maims and kills innocent people will be glorified by your selfish shameless soulless media s**tbags?
And you all say nothing, much less do nothing to reject such disdain with profound impact…
Yes, at least I’m consistent, I’m not a civil acquiescing tolerant stooge like many here, when people are hideously rude insensitive uncaring and disruptive, I can’t wait for these immature pathological sociopathic scum to fail and either flee this country or just die.
There are tens of millions of assholes out there who think they can callously disrupt and destroy peoples lives and have no accountability, and frankly, these S**tbags can’t die fast enough for me so, hopefully you’re making wise choices.
Again, Showing no backbone to evil, or arrogance, unsubstantiated intolerance, and most of all, frank nastiness, yeah, stupid move…
People can infer I’m doing that, and that’s fine, I just know this, I’m not going to be kneeling and cowering to the scumbags who cruel us relentlessly.
The government has almost total control over our bodies, unless we make them stop. We are all property of whoever comes along who is stronger. Nice slogans won't help.
Not when it's over used....which many are prone to do. And use in the young, with a not fully developed psyche, is damage waiting to happen. Very few people "need" MJ. And keep it from the young and don't over use!!
Yeah, I don't believe that for a minute. I've been smoking marijuana for 45 years, and have never been so out of sorts that I lost control of my mental or physical capabilities, like alcohol does, not even close. So this person is lying. They are a murderer and using marijuana as there false excuse, when marijuana doesn't have that effect on anybody. Don't believe this for a moment.
Michael, I was right there with you, heavy smoker for 30+ years. I heard bits and pieces of this research from Alex for a few months while following him on Twitter, before he was censored of course, then I he mentioned it once or twice here on Substack, and I had your exact same reaction as you.
Then I bought his Unreported Truths about COVID and Lockdowns, Pat 4: Vaccines and he has a few pages in that about his cannabis research. It was very hard for me to read. Harder still to consider objectively. And almost impossible to accept but his conclusions are fair. It's worth a read.
From personal experience and observation I am convinced that pot is VERY harmful. I have seen too many lives ruined by this drug. A reasonable attitude about it just helps spread the harm.
I respectfully disagree, recreational infrequent use is likely less harmful, but, the loudest shrillest obnoxious rigid and inflexible "proponent" of pot use either has no life outside being stoned all day, makes money selling pot, or, wants to have others stoned so the users can be abused misused and confused all dam day long.
From personal experience I believe it is harmless and helpful, but that doesn't mean I think you're incorrect. Like Covid I want the facts and all viewpoints, not just what the news tells me.
His point is that it is not so for ALL and shouldn’t be ignored. The events may be rare but they can be very very severe and the general public should be aware that they can happen. Knowledge is power. More knowledge is always more.
All the folks here saying "I've smoked for years and I'm fine so he's wrong" -- that's exactly what all the pro vax people say. "Billions of doses of vaccine and the sky isnt falling"
yep. I smoked for a quarter of a century and gave up a quarter of a century ago and it effected me so badly that I've become accustomed to thinking of myself as a sane well balanced serious citizen concerned to improve myself, my family and my nation. Now wouldn't that be clearly insane! And to make things worse I feel quite sick when I read the words of those who attack pot smokers. And even infuriated to some extent. So there you go. I'm a clear example of the damage it does. And how long lasting it can be.
Christ, I even believe covid is not an evil terrible monster. I actually believe the evil terrible monster is all the govt measures. I believe forcing 100% of people to take a potentially life threatening untested procedure in order to maybe protect less than 1% while at the same time mandating against offering them any other protection and actively working to suppress their immune systems: is mad. That's how far gone I am.
While I appreciate the discussion, there is just not enough evidence to clearly state this. You are adding to reefer madness. How about we allow legalization and decriminalization on a federal level, so medical research can be conducted. Till then why add to the hysteria?
The last bit, "Stay off the weed, son..." was a joke from a movie.
I was sincerely just flabbergasted that so many people were shocked it could happen... reefer madness aside (lol). I think people should decide for themselves with eyes wide-open, just like many other things in our lives can cause issues, so too can this. I never said people shouldn't use, except for the joke.
I absolutely never implied or stated that it shouldn't be used medicinally. My niece died of breast cancer at 25, I know she was in a lot of pain, so yes, I think people should be allowed and encouraged to use it as opposed to other more harmful painkillers.
I absolutely hear you. My concern with this conversation is that it could make access to medicine far more difficult (depending on the state) . I personally love these conversations and think it’s paramount in understanding the risk:benefit ratio. There is just so much more to cannabis than THC, which is why I’m for responsible and reasonable legalization and decriminalization. The amount of research needed is astounding because of all the questions being asked. More therapeutics need this amount of scrutiny and questioning. I’d love to see more conversations on cannabis!
I guess most of you are too young or have forgotten all of the experiments that many governments did with pot... yes, most definitely, it can cause psychological problems, both acute and long term, and permanent impairment. Does it happen to everyone? No, but it happens to enough. Stay off the weed, son...
The LEFT is out for destroying our country (and the world in that matter).
They propagate FAMILY destruction and SOCIETY destruction. How else one can explain the release of criminals from prisons, legalization of opiates, destruction of traditional marriage by propagating LGBTQ+$#!@....... etc.
They preach tolerance but don't tolerate anything that differs from their view. I lived in communist society and I know how it works. If one doesn't fit in the cookie cutter, he is first shamed publicly, if that doesn't work, he's sent for 're-education', if that doesn't work, well, he disappear. I run away from that but I'm going to fight it here in USA!
Alex - cannabis is exactly how you got on my radar, and I thank you for it. Having never done marijuana, or even smoked a cigarette in my lifetime - I tried medical cannabis in middle age, DESPERATE for relief from restless leg syndrome (which is REAL and TERRIBLE for some people, btw). You are 100% correct, imho, that there are certain people for whom cannabis is most definitely not a fit, and I believe that number is higher than the industry would have us believe. I reacted terribly to it and was truly surprised. Telling my sister about it (embarrassingly) she casually said "oh yes it made me feel super paranoid." As dumb as it sounds, all of this was news to me. Thanks for having to courage to report on this issue.
Some people in this comment thread seem shocked by this, but I don't doubt that weed can cause psychosis in some people (even if it's a small subset of users). It should be studied further instead of being dismissed.
Some people are psychopaths without drugs. I don't care for regulation of the drugs but I care for LAW AND ORDER. You can have all the drugs you want if you are law abiding citizen, but if you break the law, pay the price regardless of drug status
With the studies that have come out linking cannabis and schizophrenia, has anyone tracked the rise in homelessness caused by mental illness and the legalization of cannabis? The legalization was a paradigm shift in triggering mental illness because the strains had much higher thc amounts and access to edibles with high THC and pure oils. This isnt the weed people were using before legalization. Sure, almost everyone has used weed but it was fairly low thc strains. When legalization occurred there was a few big steps like lab testing of THC, this step allowed selective breeding of strains to produce higher and higher content. This is franken-weed and it may be the reason we see all the mental illness and homelessness.
They already have. There was an article out of the UK (I believe) about pot use being the cause of increased heart attacks... OMG, so stupid. I presume that those people used before they got there coof shots, so the only thing that changed was the coof shots.
No, the Left will tell folks to smoke pot to lessen the risks to Covid, which, in fact, the stats are showing in fact regular pot smokers are at HIGHER risk...
Some of the largest studies in the world have been conducted outside of the "weed friendly" USA and have been ongoing for years. At the highest levels of medical research, it's no wonder why the question, "is weed bad for the human body", no longer discussed......they know full well it is bad so why continue to kick a dead horse! As the son of an accomplished surgeon and later on a county medical examiner, I was shown what continued use of weed will do to the respiratory system compared to a non-smoker healthy person. Same for cigarette smoking. Some things in this world are just not good to be consumed in any manner or form.
It's also no longer questioned whether weed causes a decreased immune response in the body... once again they know it does! It also causes lung hyperinflation, increased airway resistance and inflammation and there are studies linking weed usage to higher rates of outpatient treatment for a whole laundry list of respiratory issues compared to those who do not use it.
I'd like to see a study of Covid19 deaths compared and contrasted with lifestyle issues such as weed usage and see where that gets us. I got big betting money that it would be highly negative on the side of weed usage.
This book was really informative. I gave a copy to a friend who has a psychological and drug counseling program. He's told me of some of the lunatic proposals at the state level of using cannabis to help PTSD sufferers. Based on no data at all.
Well Berenson, there goes your credibility. Of course you should be careful using edibles but really?
To say the very least your book is totally unbalanced and seems to be an attempt to resurrect the old "Reefer Madness" nonsense. I spent 30 years pushing for "the right to grow" for Cannabis activists. Cannabis is one of the safest drugs. You cannot die from an overdose. And as my essay makes clear: in the 90's it was discovered that all humans, fish, animals have an Endocannabinoid System where Cannabis supplementation can improve many health problems. So "yes" you can get uncomfortably "high" on Cannabis edibles. But there is very little evidence that this has precipitated murder and mayhem. Most users of edibles quickly learn the limits.
It is kinda funny in an odd way. You do recognize that many of the Covid deaths were from an average of 3 comorbidities but you don't seem to understand that Cannabis users -- that on rare occasions become violent -- also suffer comorbidities such as psychosis, schizophrenia as well issues of nurture: no father figure in a child's upbringing. I think you should research anything you take into your body -- including Cannabis, Vaccines, Big Pharma drugs. But pushing this "Reefer Madness" narrative is not helpful. Stick to writing about what you research.
I read the intro. So yes. Did you take the time to read my essay? It has been read over 10,000 times. I like Berenson by the way. But his book on Cannabis is simply unbalanced.
I’m not a user of cannibis but I am a highly trained medical professional (including two years of medical school) with a 47 year career in critical care medicine and surgery who has a reasonable level of understanding of cannabinoids.
Cannabis doesn’t “cause“ psychosis any more than cocaine, or alcohol when used “appropriately”. I have never used cocaine, but I do enjoy a glass of wine, Maker’s, or a single malt.
Overdose of any recreational “drug” including alcohol may cause severe alterations in the human psyche. The same is true of many drugs we legitimately use when they are misused. Dextromethorophan for suppressing coughs comes to mind (no pun intended).
You must separate and understand cause and effect here correctly.
We have a culture of drug users. Fat obese, idiot mutants. I’ve been to the airport at 5am and have seen people with giant 36oz beers. Plates of fried food. 5am! Losers. This country is comprised of a lot of mutant losers.
Pot increases the risk of psychosis/psychotic episodes greatly, as Mr Berenson demonstrates in his book. What some people seem to have trouble digesting is that the fact they use and have not had "problems" is NOT dispositive evidence this is untrue. It does mean those same users are still playing with fire when they use. Each time they use they are more at risk; the opposite is not true. Why take the risk - AND possibly endanger others - for a cheap thrill/escape?
This is false. It has more to do with individuals predisposed to psychiatric episodes. Of course mention it and warn people. Let us not demonize cannabis for only one component. CBD would actually be helpful in the case of a psychiatric episode. Till more research is conducted you cannot make these false claims. If you do define what it is.
It's all laid out in his book. Read it and refute the evidence he brings. Then I will consider your OPINION. BTW, in the studies cited, there is plenty of evidence that a significant fraction of those experiencing psychotic episodes and/or general psychosis were NOT predisposed to psychosis. Also BTW, he treats the various components of pot separately. Finally, there have been plenty of studies done - over many decades. If you want to wait until a study shows the results you want to believe, that's foolish but you can do what you like.
By the way, what now, 6 or more years later that Colorado still evades and minimizes the consequences seen in their first state legalization of pot, the DUIs and MVAs, the toddlers getting poisoned from accessing edibles, and the pathetic dumbing down of businesses that have pot smoking jerks minimally working and ineffectively handling services...
Want to know why people flock to Colorado, in two words: NO ACCOUNTABILITY!!!
Many will try to dismiss this due to their personal experiences with Cannabis, but just like most everything, different people can have different reactions. Todays blunt puffers don't just "puff puff pass" . Many smoke 3, 5, 7 blunts a day and are incapable of Sleeping, Eating, Driving etc without it. Full blown dependency and psychosis. Without it, they become EXTREMELY agitated.
I know three young people over the last 10 years that had breakdowns/psychotic episodes due to marijuana use. None have fully recovered. It has devastated there families. I was shocked. I, nor them, knew this was a thing. And I amazingly know three! I did a little research and it is a real thing but not talked about. So sad and scary.
You are completely right--I observed it firsthand among many of my friends when I lived in Fort Collins and was dating a guy who was growing a garage and basement full of plants. The sad part is the marijuana-induced breaks were so uncharacteristic of the people I knew. And so violent and scary. Yet everyone is supposed to pretend like marijuana is completely safe and "just grass" and it's unscientific to say anything else (when the exact opposite is true--the data clearly shows the harm). And they get so, so, so angry if you suggest otherwise, as evidenced by people in this comment thread. Like, "Alex, I can follow you with the COVID stuff, but say one thing about marijuana and adverse effects, I'm out."
I don't know how many of you are as old as I am and remember the very mild pot that was available in the 70s. Today's Marijuana is not the same thing at all. There are many studies about the psychotic effect modern MJ can have, particularly in the young. Horrible events like the one recounted by Alex may not happen often but they are far more likely than they once were.
I agree. I tried medical marijuana. My immediate reaction: Holy cow, this is NOT what I smoked in the '70s! I never had one iota of paranoia back then. This stuff made me extremely paranoid. Tried a different strain; didn't help. No thanks.
Ditto. Although these extreme cases are tragic and make good headlines, I am frankly more concerned with the more benign but very widespread incidence of paranoia among users of which I was formerly a member. I can’t help but wonder if there is a correlation between COVID paranoia and cannabis consumption, especially when one considers that, by and large, the strong lock down states coincides with the high cannabis consumption states.
Disbelief in the Covid scam is borne of knowledge, not Paranoia.
Apparently , you were asleep during the previous attempts at mass murder for fun and profit, such as Swine Flu, SARS, etc , but some of us were awake and did our due diligence.
I agree with you that disbelief in the COVID scam begins with knowledge, but the sad reality is that most people don’t have the educational foundation to make that determination. I am an analytical chemist by training and I can explain exactly why the PCR test is not valid, but if my audience isn’t trained in the language of math and science, who am I speaking to? For these people, fear dominates what higher levels of thinking they do possess and thus compounds the problem by shutting down capacity to reason.
Not necessarily. The members of my family who believe the covid scam include those with masters degrees and an M.D. None of them have useless degrees like gender studies.
Degrees don’t matter , it’s a mix of common sense, discernment and willingness to educate oneself. Some of biggest sheep are doctors I work with.
yep my bro in law an MD and sister multi degree RN, can't even get into the conversation with them. They actually both have autoimmune diseases and I think it's from all the vacc's and med's and antibiotics they've taken like candy. I'm natural and supplements, the only vaccine in 30 years was for tetanus. I swear it made me sick for a year! I had fatigue and intermittent flashes of fever off and on.
They seem to be the more paranoid ones same as my circle of friends. A lot are MDs , engineers , and all round very book smart.... not so much street wise.
Central to the Covid scam are (1) germ theory, which is partly or even substantially false, (2) belief that the body works deterministically, like a machine, and (3) fear of death that obstructs reasoning about it.
All of these correlate with materialist reductionism. The higher the education level, the stronger the peer pressure and the commitment to that.
To see through Covid, it's very helpful to NOT be atheist, which means nearly ANY kind of spiritual, but also to not follow a religious hierarchy. The largest religious hierarchies have been captured, so that those people could be led as well.
For me the members who don’t believe it are intrinsically curious and open-minded, tryst their own intuitions and ability to make up their own minds, disagreeable and non-conformist. The ones stuck in the narrative are led easily to conclusions by ‘authorities’ and mostly just cannot see the big picture because of the enormity of the corruption/deceit. Their response is incredulity but they rationalize it w/ msm propaganda talking points. No scratch n’ sniff urge there at all.
Acknowledged. It is all bewildering.
That is sad. I know a lot of so called smart people who just stick their fingers in the ears and go "nanananana". They want to believe.
Instead , I simply show the video of Dr Mullis very agitatedly calling Fauci an incompetent fraud and liar who should not hold his position and stating flat out the PCR is NOT a diagnostic tool and was never intended as one.
Pretty hard to argue was the a Nobel prize winner over his invention...
I am just a schlub electrician and I am able to understand. All you need do is be interested and pay attention. If you blindly believe Pope Fauci and the politically driven MSM you are going to be lost. I also watched my seventeen year old son, now 37, experience his first psychotic episode. He was smoking pot at the time. He was later diagnosed with schizophrenia which he still suffers from to day. As hard as I tried to steer him into sports and other outdoor activities he gravitated toward gaming, raunch music and drugs. I suffer from depression and drank beer and smoked pot in college and somewhat beyond. If I smoked too much I would sometimes experience paranoia but never got violent. My son was able to steer clear of the legal system and is med compliant but lives a very constricted life.
Life's experience is often more valuable than the imprimatur of a degree.
No good electrician is just a schlub.
As to paranoia, there's a guy down the street from me who's a known pot smoker/consumer, with security cameras and warning signs all over his property that you're being recorded. He even stuck creepy eyes on the windows. I'm a little afraid of this guy. He's been aggressively nasty on Next Door, to anyone who steps sideways on his grass plot.
Substances are not for developing minds, but you are still lucky it wasn't crack or meth or any much more dangerous drug.
You gotta watch this. It covers exactly this topic.
Dr. Reiner Fuellmich - Prof. Mattias Desmet (English)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Qj5bo_KFqgo&feature=youtu.be
Yes, I’ve seen this guy before and his theories are intriguing and worthy of serious consideration. On this one you sent I was particularly fascinated with his observation (around the 42 minute mark if I remember correctly) that in previous episodes of mass hypnosis in recent history, those that proved to be immune to the Kool Aid came from all walks of life, all cultural backgrounds, all levels of education and so on. Straight out of Revelations.
Even dumb cows know when something isn't right and they are about to be slaughtered.
In retrospect, swine flu, SARS etc were test runs to observe how people react and plan the approach.
Precisely
COVID and BLM scams, protection scams like the mafia ran in nyc
Nah, don’t think so. My husband, now 69, has smoked for 50 years and has never had any fear of covid. Nor have 2 of our 4 grown children who also smoke. All have worked throughout the pandemic and been exposed to covid several times.
Fair enough, but can I at least get you to concede that others have reported a different experience and unless you dismiss them as dishonest, you are forced to confront the possibility that there exists this correlation that I suggest?
Sure, it’s possible.
Are the two of you still sexually active, especially with the pot shops selling weed with 10-28% THC. I'm telling you. Two tokes of Durban Poison or some good sativa rocks my world with good sex. The vagina feels so much better.
Yes, I know……and that’s what worries me. The greater the benefit, the more that people will dismiss or even underestimate the cost.
Moderation costs nothing. PJ O'Rourke tells of the Sunday dinner ritual of his parents.
Each week, they enjoyed a post prandial cigarette, the only one they allowed themselves each week.
They invited PJ to join them, but without the cachet of forbidden fruit, he was not interested.
But he never forgot the lesson in moderation, and it has served him well as an adult.
might be a kind of circular reasoning thing. those are mainly the blue states, right? (I'm a foreigner, hypnotised by the USA surreal chaos). So madness is the rule not the exception. You'd do well to have your own circle of friends and stay aloof, maybe even stay indoors. Stay stoned. 'Go away' to a better place.
So those same authorities who made the chaos you stay away from now begin to mandate lockdowns and you don't protest because what's the use? And what difference is it going to make to you? You'll just bong on as usual.
So they mandate.
And you bong on. And friends who would've gone out stay in and join in.
So the authorities are heartened (as they are all over the world) and can't believe their luck and push and push to see just how far they can push...
Wasn’t that the strategy that the British empire used so successfully against imperial China, but with opium?
Why Trudeau ran with legalizing pot and now that we are all shit faced he can be the true dictator he always wanted to be
….and that was the case for the citizens of Huxley’s dystopian Brave New World with their SOMA holidays or, more recently, the mass of humanity plugged into the Matrix.
You are on to their long term strategy.
A week later and I still find your post thought provoking.
Apathy… it’s epidemic
Cannabis can do some weird things to the immune system too, like wipe out T cells & white cells. They do regenerate after 9 weeks or so but chronic use doesn’t seem to bode well for long term users. The research is all over the place on this subject, a recent study showed endocannabinoids can be protective of lung cells. I tried a high dose of CBD & it knocked my (normally above average) immune system down pretty hard. Considering SCV-2 can get into the brain & wreak havoc maybe there’s a correlation b/t cannabis & Covid susceptibility on the neurological end. As far as the blue state paranoid thing, I think the root cause is ideological.
I take cbd only. I take a high quality product and have not heard of it wrecking havoc with your immune system. Do you have any links you can provide? Thx.
Btw I take synchronicityhempoil.com. The 1000 mg bottle of tinctures. My cardiologist recommends this product to his patients and I trust him implicitly. I think if it was going to mess with my immune system, he wouldn’t recommend this to me or his heart patients. Just saying.
Also I didn’t say CBD “wreaks havoc” SCV-2 does that. I said CBD can do weird things to the immune system & it *seems* that healthier ppl are more prone to negative effects from immunosuppression.
Like I said, I took a *high* dose & the studies aren’t conclusive. Look up “CBD immunosuppressant” https://www.leafly.com/news/health/does-cannabis-help-or-hurt-immune-system
That never occurred to me, but I wouldn't be surprised.
Hm California....
I've been wondering the same, actually.
I wonder what addled people to the point they believe in the Covid scam , and attribute Paranoia to those not so easily fooled.
Apparently, indoctrination is a lot more powerful than previously realized....
Strain doesn’t matter unless you are looking for uplifting or sleep. What matters is the mg.
Does your state control the mg count?
Does your dispensary suggest “low and slow”
I’ve been a MMJ patient for 3 yrs.
I prefer the CBD with low THC.
Balms are great too.
I can sleep and generally stay pain free.
You’ve got to talk to a trained budtender and your doctor and then do your own research into what would be best for you.
Todays MMJ weed is cleaner as opposed to the catnip shit of the 70’s
You apparently tried a heavy THC strain if you experienced paranoia.
How many hits? It’ll take me a week to finish a mini roll.
Gotta know what your doing.
It’s not about the high.
It’s about the relief.
Like I said in another post, I didn't have a choice of mg. MM was new to the state and there was a lot of confusion. There were only 2 dispensaries in the entire state. Doctors were happy to get on board for the cash only appointments but I think they were just winging it. Budtender? There wasn't any such thing at the time. Perhaps it's different now, but I'm not willing to spend more money on it. As far as I know, the state license that allows you to get MM is still only good for 7 months. Between $$$ doctor visits, state license fees, and the costly product, I'm better off buying good wine and CBD cream.
In states like CA, the doctor prescription is $60, but no need since it's allowed as recreational. No one is mentioning in the deleterious effects of alcohol, which is available on so many street corners across America and the world. My father died of liver and kidney failure and alcoholism destroyed any possibility of a normal family life for me and my siblings. I chose THC as an alternative to pain management. Alcohol gave me longer term debilitation. Used in the right amount, AND I CONSUMED IT NOT SMOKED IT, it can be very calming when wanted or creativity inducing. It's also less toxic to the liver than many meds. The key is moderation. Thanks Ben Franklin!
Only 2 hits
Same here. Spent 100s getting the card all for nothing. Well my wife enjoyed my laying in the recliner for 3 days from it. She did need the break I'll admit because she's my caregiver.
In the 70s I did smoke a but, laughing, eating, sleeping, not fighting, mellow. There is no doubt chemicals in it now that simply doesn't have a place in society.
BTW every cancer patient I know ultimately died, so it doesn't cure sh¡t. If it weren't for opiods they would've died in awful pain.
Better millions of cancer patients suffer pain from a scarcity of opioids than that thousands die from their abundance.
We used to smoke rope! This creepy stuff today is mutant bud or something we never even dreamed of (well, maybe the hash oil people did)
It's not for everyone. I'm fine with THC 20% or under. Really fine with CBD/THC mix.
When I tried it, my state had just legalized medical marijuana and the options were limited. If the doctor wrote a script for X, the dispensary would only sell you X. I remember going back to the dispensary and learning they did have a CBD/THC mix, but they wouldn't sell it to me unless I went back to the doctor (and paid for another visit) and asked him to write a new script. It was getting ridiculously expensive (2 doctor visits just to get approved, plus the state license that expired in less than a year, and the product and vape pen) so I just gave up.
I agree with this observation.
I don't know about that. I'm 68. The last time I smoked weed was in 1973. My brother-in-law and I had just purchased half a pound of Colombian for our personal use. I stuffed my Meershaum water pipe and was blissfully toking away. My clean-shaven BIL returned from the bathroom with a freshly grown full beard and a pair of horns. Then a cat appeared and was running around on the ceiling. That was the last time I smoked weed.
I took two long drags on a strain called chemdog and had the worst 4 hours of feelings of sheer despair that still haunts me today. That was three years ago, some of that shit is bad news. Never again.
I seek out the highest THC content for flower, vape cartridges and live resin. Even used Chemdog on occasion - never any incidences of despair, though. The only time I witnessed that was 30 years ago, after a week on speed, coming down from that brought feelings of despair. I don't touch pills of any kind these days, just weed for me.
You’re like me or I’m like you
You’re also a daily user…me, not so much.
True...
I have an Aspie kid, he’s a daily user to calm
his mind like you. I wish it were legal for someone like him. Definitely has medicinal benefits.
Moderation is an important key to life generally.
This is not to " You", it's generic: You say being stoned out of your mind 24/7365 causes people to lose touch with reality?!!
Gasp! What a shockeroo!!!
Yeah the modern stuff isn't worth messing with. Find an older pure strain and you smile for hours, relaxing like a beer, less calories.
I’m content with one third of a 10mg THC/CBD Wana edible.
II don't claim it is scientific, but anecdotally, I know a lot more girls with the sense to exercise moderation than I do guys with that sense.
Exactly. Intensity alone does not mean quality, by any stretch of imagination.
I think there was something else in your weed to cause you to see that. I've never witnessed any hallucinations from marijuana ever. Now LSD, that's different, but even using that I didn't witness the kinds of things you're describing. I saw colors distorting and sounds amplified, which was cool phenomena to experience - but I didn't see things that weren't there, rather enhancements of what was there...
Bingo, sounds like he was smoking wet or that spice bullshit that turns people into tweakers/ zombies. Remember when the guy in Florida chewed somebody's face? He was using spice.
I had the same experience with LSD except for one time when I hallucinated. It was pretty scary. I'm still waiting for the flashbacks "they" promised me.
Sounds like Formaldehyde taint.
Good ole Columbian Gold. Those were the days.
Laced with LSD and mushrooms?
It is also far more likely when cannabis is eaten rather than smoked. The way the body breaks down cannabis when it is eaten is entirely different.
that is interesting. got any references.. ?
https://www.ccsa.ca/sites/default/files/2019-06/CCSA-Cannabis-Inhaling-Ingesting-Risks-Infographic-2019-en_1.pdf
Well I'll be damned. I never knew that. Thanks for that. If I ever go the dope again I'll go the alice b's and I'll know to wait.... :) Be interesting to read more about the chemistry. What's the 'stronger' form of THC? And how do they measure the strength (I've suddenly thought, to myself ) ? By the level of your psychosis? By the level of your high? Or by the concentration of the chemical in the blood - which might have nothing to with either - or might - but point is we don't know?
All very interesting.
Thing that gets me about all this is just about nobody mentions any 'enlightenment' or opening of doors or gaining of understanding, etc., which to my mind was always what it always was about.
Like to be crude about it the weed made an antisocial essentially marginalised and cynical, embittered hate and grudge filled individual see that life, reality, is really something quite different and wonderful in a very convincing way.
So convincing that he was convinced the 'high' could be 'maintained' with less and less weed. That the 'new realisation' , the new way of seeing and knowing the world and the people in it could be permanently kept without needing the weed.
And so it proved. For this individual anyway.
And I wonder for how many more?
For isn't this - apart from its own fundamental importance - a significant counter to any accusations of promoting psychic illnesses in some? In that it may well be curing and dispelling psychic and embryonic psychic illnesses in others?
Seen in isolation.
Seen in the context of drawing people away from alcohol and the psychological damage it does it then becomes even more conspicuously import as a counter.
Bullshit. Yes there are higher amounts of THC in the modern strains, but high amounts or any amounts of THC does not cause psychosis in anybody. Something is wrong with Alex's brain that's the problem, marijuana isn't the problem. THC doesn't do that to anybody, no matter how much THC is involved.
I don't know what kind of "expert" you are to make such pronouncements, with such certainty, about THC, psychosis and Alex's brain but you should remember that experts are frequently those who can't see beyond what they already know. Such scattergun judgements don't recommend you much.
I'm not seeking recommendations of me regarding anything. My expertise is exclusively based as a 45 year user, aware of marijuana related news, science and reports as they become publicly available - no science reports have suggested that psychosis is even a possible result of marijuana use. Psychosis is different that other kinds of crazy, and not caused by use or overuse of marijuana.
Hummm….
Funny, as a heavy pot smoker, you seem really agitated…
Not at all, I'm always this way - my eccentric 147 IQ brain just works differently than most. I smoke pot to calm the constant brain storm going on inside my head. ;)
Than smoke on, brother, smoke on…
Power to the PEOPLE!
Thats why I used to drink, I quit drinking ten years ago but smoke weed to shut off my rambunctious brain. I get it.
That's an interesting take. My son's IQ is somewhere on a par with you and he uses pot to calm himself as well. I don't know my IQ and am not inclined to find out. I have never known anybody who was truly served by knowing their own intelligence score. Many feel pressured to measure up to some arbitrary expectations -usually their own. I'm satisfied to feel that I'm of average intelligence- whatever that is- but I have always felt that the true signs of intelligence are more than Stanford-Binet scores. Though for what they are Stanford-Binet tests may be the best, but I have always felt that smart and intelligent are rarely the same thing.
Lies tend to piss people off, no buzz required.
I'm willing to stand corrected here. My own drug experience goes back 50 years. I have used, or at least tried, almost everything that was common from 1970 to the 1990's except heroin and crack cocaine. I never forgot that I had taken a drug to get to the state - whatever it was- that I was in, but I knew some people who did; many because they used the drugs so continuously they became estranged from "normal" consciousness. I had a friend who used to say there wasn't a drug that could get you more f***ed up than good marijuana, and I tend to agree with that.
I didn't mean to offend you with the "scattergun judgements don't recommend you much". It was stolen from a Robert Duval line in 'Lonesome Dove'. My point was that none of us here online, unless we're personal acquaintances of Alex, can know the state of Alex's brain and don't really have any right to call it into question. It's perfectly alright to disagree with his conclusions but not to call into question his mental state. Personally I agree with you that for adults who have been adults since the 1970's there is little evidence of detriment from THC. However there has been a steady rise in mental instability in children since the 1970's and coupled with the unbridled doping of kids with ADHD drugs I suspect that very powerful THC could indeed induce extreme reactions.
In the end, we're all dancing around the fact that these are mind affecting drugs, and the human brain isn't all that well understood by anybody. But because marijuana use has been well used by a vast population over decades, if not a century and more. If there were any multiple instances of psychotic breakdowns related to marijuana, especially being pointed out by those against it's use - it would be well known by the user population. Since that isn't a known factor, I base my conjectures on data. New, controversial data that is so much in opposition to the historical data, seems more likely an anomaly, or as I'm stating nothing true about it. The vast evidence is against this single case, so unless verified, I find it not believable.
Consider that anybody viewing the 1950's movie, Reefer Madness, who today smokes weed now that is a complete propaganda joke - nothing real in it's premise at all. And this incident with Alex falls right into the Reefer Madness psychosis. We all still think Reefer Madness is a joke, so how could be see Alex's point as anything but a joke as well?
Good post, except the use has been thousands of years more than you acknowledged.
Yeah, I brought down a lot of acid trips by doing things like having the freak out walk a few steps in the snow, showed them the tracks and said, " See, the world is the same, you walk in snow, you leave tracks.
Nothing has changed the world is exactly as it always has been.
It's you that is being weird because you took a powerful drug, and you are stoned.
In a few hours, you will come down, and wish you had a buzz again".
100 percent success rate.
With heavy emphasis on the ADHD drugging component.
Indeed DELUXE!
And it's the same ' Scientific Expertise " that claims weed bad/ Ritalin good.
It's profit driven BS I'm both cases.
"no science reports have suggested that psychosis is even a possible result of marijuana use"
Incorrect.
"Cannabis as a risk factor for psychosis: systematic review"
Early use of cannabis did appear to increase the risk of psychosis. For psychotic symptoms, a dose-related effect of cannabis use was seen, with vulnerable groups including individuals who used cannabis during adolescence, those who had previously experienced psychotic symptoms, and those at high genetic risk of developing schizophrenia. In conclusion, the available evidence supports the hypothesis that cannabis is an independent risk factor, both for psychosis and the development of psychotic symptoms.
I firmly believe from what I have read and researched, that pot can exacerbate the the onset of the first psychotic episode of schizophrenia. Because I still suffer from guilt because I was not able to keep my kid away from drugs, who now suffers from schiz, I would certainly be motivated to believe all the "evidence" that pot is harmless.
My son also suffers from schizophrenia and early age drug use. My theory is that many people when first recognizing their ailment self medicate with drugs and alcohol, just trying to fit in, be "normal"
"Experts" are those with three letter acronyms like PHD that get _paid_ to do a "study" and write a paper... generally by a special interest group.
Another name for them is shill.
Joseph Campbell called them 'stuffed shirts.'
I thought potheads were supposed to be mellow
a stoned pothead. some are quite angry folks generally at odds with a world they don't like and mainly because they see it as not liking them: and they take to toking in order to mellow out; that's where they'd rather be.
i governments have long been insane and they were back then.. it's illegal to want to be mellow and find a way to do it
remember way back then i heard that in Texas you could get life imprisonment for weed. Is that true, was that true? And if so what happened to those guys, are they still there?
And what happened to the criminal lunatics that put them there? Same as what's happening to the criminal lunatics who're doing the covid think? Higher salaries, promotions, kickbacks, generally lauded?
We are, in person, I'm not confrontational at all, but when I see bullshit in a post, I have to respond. Still I don't use vitriol, insulting language or cursing in any such response, so somewhat "mellow" compared to many opposition posts...
It is a lot easier to argue against an argument you’ve made up in your head instead of one written by someone in a book for example
It's easy to debate anything, whether it's published or not gives it no credence at all.
So you believe everything you read in a book just because it is in a book? If COVID taught us anything is that experts are not to be trusted just because someone calls them experts or even if they have spent the last 40 years running a government agency.
If it's not a well thought out argument, or an argument with gaps in it's logic, it's just as easy to argue against, just no way to post that response to an author. I'm "arguing" with a post on a thread, not an argument in my head - I don't have those. My thoughts generally lead to one true answer, not answers that require arguments to decide...
Lol, mellow when stoned. Wired when not, that’s why we smoke!
As long as the TV works and delivery service is on time…
W/ you Michael. The people I know who got "too much" THC from their edibles would always fall asleep on the couch either eating chips or ice cream.
Too much edibles can result in a horrific o/d experience. New users are frequently dosed with way too much THC when trying edibles, causing nausea, vomiting, dizziness, profuse sweating, rapid heartbeat, and a sense of eminent death, though I am unaware of any deaths occurring from a THC overdose. In other words, NOT FUN. Usually 20 mg is about the highest normal dose for a frequent user and someone with less experience should do half that and not increase for at least 2 hours.
That sounds reasonable. Honestly I didn't like edibles years ago because I never could figure out the dosing. It felt like it was too little or way too much so I just smoke and vape.
The only way one can get crazy smoking pot, the person was crazy, before they smoked it.
Whenever one takes any drug, bendryl makes me have nightmares, so I can't sleep.
We give benedryl to babies like candy. It doesn't mix with me, so I don't take it. I never gave it to my daughters. Same DNA.
I played sports heavy till I was 25. Then I did heavy construction, highway work for 20 years. I've been a cabinet maker, installer designer for the last 20 years. The only surgery I've ever had was a hernia in 81'. I've been smoking pot at various levels since I was 15. Some people don't like how pot makes them feel, just like me and benedryl. I took Ibreprofen and aspirin for 35 years, It gave me an ulcer so now I don't take any pain meds, but legal CBD liquid for pain. Because I smoked all those years, my body was comfortable with the product, it helps, but just like morphine, I still have pain. I don't like opiods at all. Candy may be dandy but liquor is quicker.
Long story short. Some things work for a person and some don't. In a legal pot state, you can get pot, that won't make you feel paranoid. Today THC has been developed to fit the person taking it, for their needs, if they need it. It has done miracles for stopping siezures, but it is still a plant, not a man made drug. THC like any other drug, doesn't make humans harm humans.
Only the individual does that.
Feel the same way. I can't take pain meds. I don't get how people can enjoy oxy etc.. it made me feel sick.
I 1000% disagree. Maybe it's genetics but I could never smoke it because I always went into full on paranoia that definitely boarders on psychosis. I cannot tolerate it. Got two schizophrenic siblings, one of whom had his first episode right after his first toke and has never been completely sane since. I don't think your 'one size fits all' defense is legit.
Thank you for your comment Candis.
"Some things work for a person and some don't."
That was in my comment Candis.
I was making the case for the freedom, to chose how we medicate.
One could buy more meds off a counter in a drug store, with far more'potential' side affects than cannabis has ever had, while the politically motivated CDC, the AMA and drug companies, are looking for profit and power, not our health, over all of us.
Your opinion is powerful, for you, and I respect that. Please give me the same choice to take care of myself and mine.
Happy Thanksgiving
No worries. I was responding to the guy that said THC doesn’t cause psychosis, ever. Like he had settled the science on that all by himself. I agree with different strokes for different folks. That was my point as well :)
According to one study I read, up to 10% of cannabis users experience psychosis. I have experienced psychosis after smoking (and after eating once) on several occasions. Legalization has helped in that there are more strains and THC percentage is listed. There are also strains with high CBD, which prevents psychosis.
The most common pot smoked in the 60s and 70s was "Thai Stick," which GIs brought home from Vietnam. It's still available, and has a THC content of 15-20%. This is similar to pretty much every strain on the market, though some are up to 25%. There are many other factors here. If you smoked a "modern" sativa strain grown outside in the sun, it would be a very similar experience.
Regardless, I have read the stories and some of the studies and they all revolve around " chronic use".
Where that is specified, it is 3 times per day, at minimum.
Anyone who is perpetually.stoned all day, everyday is at risk.
I have known many psycho drunks, still waiting forty years down the line, for my first psycho pothead.
As to weak weed in the past, not everyone had poor connections, and cloned pot is less strong than genuine Thai or Maui Wowie.
Ozzy Osbourne said of modern weed " I quit weed, I am not smoking anyone's Basement Pot, I remember the good stuff'.
I beg to differ on Maui. Not nearly as potent as today's delivery systems. If you're referring to Thai sticks soaked in opium you may be right. And a lot of people are stoned all day. As they were in the 70s to negligible effect.
Unless you live in Hawaii, it is doubtful you ever actually smoked any.
And Thai does not need an Opium boost.
I have yet to see anything even as strong as real Santa Marta Red, and I know from many other forums that there are as many who agree with my perceptions as yours.
I recall one particularly powerful batch of Santa Marta Gold.
The dealer handed out a joint, then went in the kitchen and made a Tin Roof Sundae.
Then he said " Want some?", and pointed to the kitchen, laughing because he knew no one would be able to stand up.
Even shipments varied tremendously, and connections even more.
People that talk about weak seventies weed had lousy connections, and can't accept that reality.
Perhaps your excessive cannabis has caused you to forget that air travel was available to Hawaii in the 1970s. One didn't have to live there.
I never said it wasn't possible, perhaps your reading comprehension is impaired.
If you think flying to Hawaii is a guaranteed shot, you must not realize there is a cadre in every Pot Tourism destination dedicated to fleecing the tourists, and if you think flying there guaranteed the " real thing" you are inagining things not in evidence.
I upvotes your one sensible post, but this one makes your not holier than thou claim more than a little dubious.
This saber rattling is ridiculous. If you can't recognize that the Marijuana commercially available today is at least as strong as anything available in "your day" you're an ill informed fool. And you add in ubiquitous edibles that are metabolized differently and we're dealing with a different problem.
I had the opportunity to visit Hawaii in the mid seventies,
It was far better than anything I ever smoked, till now of course.
yep.
I went to HS and 2 years of college in Hawaii. Would warn visiting mainlanders to limit themselves to just one hit to check tolerance. Invariably they would smoke like they were still in Chicago and after 3 bong hits would be drooling zombies.
I can't remember back that far.
Me too. Somebody told me that there were 3 signs of old age: One was memory loss, and I can't remember what the other two are. ;-)
What is going to happen with commercial made MMJ GUMMY BEARS, with adult doses? Toddlers don't know the difference, pets especially dogs are attracted to MMJ, now Fentanyl has been found on it. Recipes can be found on YouTube to make your own Gummy Bears. It has been said for years it's the gate way drug to heavier ones. FDA open a very big door. I'm 73, and like you remember the Weed revolution. People who use it have no qualms of sharing it with non users as Brownies. I remember 1 story of a teacher at a meeting serving it as her bring your own dish. Several got sick. She thought it was funny to get a bunch of anti-MMJ users high. As I go through the Health aisle at the grocery store these Gummy Bear products keep growing in type, shape, fewer per bottle at higher cost. Some are down right dangerous in adult strengths to Toddlers. Even the consumption of the ones made for them can mean a ER trip for stomach pumping, as it is a over dose.
The FDA? I'm shocked! They're so protective of our health.
What state sells MMJ in grocery stores?
I believe the author was referencing gummy shaped products which are proliferating in stores (vitamins etc). All to get everyone used to consuming gummies so pot gummies, no big deal. Meanwhile everyone is at home refusing to work and staying high all day. Perfect people to be manipulated by communists.
Sauron
Good one!
Good question. I know little about MMJ but I lived in CA until earlier this year, and the local health food store had a whole shelf full of CBD gummies. I thought you had to go to a MMJ dispensary for products that contained THC as well as CBD, but perhaps I was wrong or things have changed. I don't remember CBD gummy bears, though; the ones I saw were shaped like gum drops (would still look and taste like candy to a kid).
I've never heard of this. What's it all about? I better google I suppose.
I smoked for the first time in 1968 at the age of 14. While it is true Mexican schwag -- Cannabis with seeds -- was popular, plenty of very potent strains -- Monkey Paw, Thai Stick -- were also available at that time. I've been smoking about a gram a day for 50 years. I grow my own Sensimillia (female plants that have no seed) which are as strong as they come. Cannabis has no more effect on me than coffee when smoked. Edibles are an entirely different subject and "yes" you need to understand your dosing limits when it comes to edibles.
Try indica. You will melt into the couch. Chill. Relaxed. So nice.
It's the exact same plant, fearmonger.
Yeah dumbass. Just like the commercially corn we buy today is the same as we bought in the 70s. Same plant right?
There were problems in the late fifties and this from a very young observer
That's because that pot is laced that makes you psychotic.
I don’t do cannabis now or only rarely. Did it daily in 70’s thru 80’s some in 90’s B4 drug testing became common. From Mex to hi quality Columbian to Thai to Mowie to today’s hi potency stuff. For me no psychosis, maybe a but of paranoia 1st 15 minutes or so.
Chemicals affect everyone differently, pot is usually relaxing or energizing. However it is a distraction from a connection to God.
From my experience, true Psychotic paranoia came from (after some time of use) cocaine. After enuff of that, looking constantly out windows and knowing “they” are coming in at any moment and being ready with weapon nearby, psychosis is raging. I’m sure tweakers feel the same after enough.
Hard to image this kind of insanity with weed, but again, chemcals do different things to different people.
They are all a basic distraction from what is important, that is God.
Peace out. Be careful with you drug choices, whatever they are.
mild pot is still available today. check the label
There are an awful lot of stoners on this site! and some of us still live in regressive states where pot still doesn't come with a label on it.
yep. never seen so many in one place before. and all the old dudes, too, from the early days... seen a lot of changes....
not in Aus. that I know of. Remember Aus? As is? Saw the pics? Pregnant mum in pyjamas manacled in her own kitchen and carted off for making a facebook post?
You can kneel on a woman's back and pepper spray her again and again - that's good policing, and brings the nation closer to its goal but I don't think you can smoke marijuana, that increases happiness and takes the nation further away...
I remember it alright. And I was there all through the movement from it to hash and then stronger hash to 'laced' hash. all made 'necessary' by govt. interventions - the thin end of the 'drug war', the greatest evil to befall the planet (prior the covid madness).
I smoked for about 25 years I reckon and in the finish gave up just from lack of interest. Gave up cigarette smoking some time prior to that because mary jane made cigarette smoking seem so crappy.
'lack of interest' because I think I finally got into a headspace where the weed wasn't opening any new doors, providing any revalations - where I'd finally, 'got the message' as you might say or could ' maintain the high' as we used to say, without needing it.
And that, for me and those I hung out with was always an inner core intent of the bonging on: to get the head to where it could see the world that way without needing any assistance.
Because we recognised it as a better way.
Remember?
That was such a common perception back then that Bob Dylan sang 'everyone must get stoned'. Meaning in the interests of realising a truth of value. Exemplified I guess by 'flower power' movements and such.
Seems to be nothing like that now, hasn't been for a long time that i know of.
But I've been off on my own, detached from the 'mainstream' for a long time now. Way prior to gothic and heavy metal and all that stuff which seems grossly anti life to me.
Sometimes think nowadays that I wouldn't mind the odd toke but talk of paranoia - I've just about too frightened into today's world to give it a go. frightened it may be far too strong and mutated, frightened it may be laced, frightened I may get sprung and busted bad in a world where they have $1000 penalties for just running a red light.
Where the covid thing is not waning but increasing.
Now it would be something like 25 - 30 years ago I gave it up. Am I paranoid from then, or am I paranoid from now or am I just a realist?
:)
And I ddn''t even like the mild version. Dropped it when I was 15. Never smoked or ingested it again.
I dunno, Alex. You’ve kinda lost me here…
I'm really confused here. He's against marijuana because it causes psychotic behavior in some people? Or is it satire by him
If you aren’t familiar with AB’s past work, you might not understand. It’s not satire. And it’s not simple to explain (I wish it were!). But the best I can do: he wrote about the danger of pot (can cause mental illness). Very few took him seriously. Now, he’s exposing Covid/Vax and the cycle is repeating (common sense ignored by media or worse, slandered).
They don't take it seriously because they know the real issue is chronic intoxication.
Alcoholics aren't known for mental stability either, and don't get me started on crackheads and tweakers.
exactly, not being holier than thou...I've had my struggle with alcohol and sex addiction and thank God came through. Ppl who drink daily and smoke pot often, are using as a coping mechanism... unresolved childhood trauma and/or started using in their teens. You don't start drinking and smoking pot as a kid because you grew up in a loving involved healthy family. It comes from lonliness, neglect, abuse and peer pressure because your parenting left you fumbling with your identity.
I am not trying to out holy you either, I just have experience both then and now.
Back then, mocked fake Thai from crap connections as " Tied on a stick", and there was lots of it, also weed with a red color passed off as " Redbud" when it never likely came close to Columbia.
In 1982, my Venezuelan classmates flew home on Spring Break for the sole purpose of smuggling a quarter ounce apiece of " Bud Roja" for the Rolling Stones concert in Houston.
They would not smoke " Skunk Weed", the precursor of modern green.
They called it lawn clippings, and said they could grow better weed throwing seeds into their backyards.
I did not doubt them, and when they shared just one with me, it was the same as I used to get.
I have evaluated things as well as I can and I do feel people don't know what good weed is, and many spent the seventies smoking counterfeits of the legendary strains, causing them to believe basement pot is the pinnacle.
Chronic intoxication. Pun intended?
I consume daily. Hold down a job. Make good money. Have an advanced degree.
Yes, I'm self-medicating anxiety and insomnia, so "mental stability" is a subjective term, isn't it?
when I quit drinking in january, it was after reading "the easy way to control alcohol". Quite a few eye opening things I've never heard before. I drank to relax and it helped me fall asleep, stress reliever after a hard day of work. Alcohol acually causes stress on your mind and body and liver ect... it causes inflammation in the brain and every part of the body. It also increases anxiety. Anything you read on alc and sleep confirms it hurts your good sleep cycles. I still wake up in the night several times, but I feel good when I wake up...better than a bottle of wine the night before. Not condemning, simply liking the open dialogue on here of ppl sharing their experiences. The coolest concept in the book is... never look at all the negatives from drinking, those aren't the reasons ppl do it. They drink b/c they believe there are benefits. So, when changing course, look at all the benefits that you will get and keep noticing them. It's like gratitude.
Is he saying pot can cause mental illness in children or all ages?
Regular marijuana use in the young (under 25) is shown to cause brain damage and greatly increase the odds of developing schizophrenia later in life.
Anyone who trusts shrinks is several standard deviations from tracking reality accurately.
Now I should believe Reefer Madness was factual documentary?
You can't use any intoxicant all day every day and stay rational and balanced, it's ridiculous to pretend pot is the devil in the face of the reality that any other drug would unhinge you more quickly.
Try smoking crack, see how insightful that makes you.
Acknowledging the harmful effects of marijuana on youthful brain development is not the same thing as minimizing the effects of harder drugs. No one did that.
I loathe them all, personally.
This was my understanding, so I was wondering if AB was taking that stance or saying regardless of age.
Children (still developing) also those prone to/family history of illness. Frankly, in this case, it could be the subject had a history of abuse and the drug amplified it. I don’t know the whole story.
Thanks for the response!
Pointing out that marijuana can be dangerous for a subset of the population does not equate to being "against marijuana". My understanding is that Alex just wants people to know the whole truth. And it is especially important that children understand that there are very real dangers to using marijuana. It has the potential to bring serious psychological problems to the surface in certain individuals, almost always young people. It is particularly important to avoid using it on a developing brain. That is why Alex wants parents to tell their children the truth.
Don’t get me wrong, I have nothing against the book and what he’s doing. I just don’t believe that it necessarily makes people violent. I think the guy that got arrested just had anger issues and was violent to begin with. Marijuana always seems to be a convenient excuse to blame the violence on. Just my two cents.
I tried smoking weed 2 or 3 times and it never had any effect on me, probably didn't enter the lungs since I don't know how to smoke. So when i got offered a brownie i thought there's no way anything can happen. I ended beating 4 people in a hospital. Broke a doctor's ribs... Never have I gotten into a fight, I'm the least confrontational guy you'll meet. The rare occasion I get drunk, I never get too drunk. I'll pass out and vomit before I do something reckless.
I don't believe in hell, but I shit you not, when the ambulance came for me, I thought my whole life was a cruel joke to prepare me for a never ending hell in that ambulance. My mother could've come and tell me everything is alright and I would've believed she is a lying demon. Time would simply not pass. The paramedic behind choked me to restrain me - i was trying to explain the nurse in front that I was taking antibiotics, I'm a hypochondriac and was worried she'd give me something that would interact with them. She probably saw me looking at her weird and the guy behind choked me. They all looked distorted and evil, like caricatures. There is no comparison for the pure terror i felt there. I have never been so afraid in my entire life.
I know some people do nasty shit on alcohol. I cannot understand how those people feel, but for me, they're orders of magnitude apart in danger for the brain. I feel with a bit of bad luck, I could've killed someone in that hospital. So I'm very against saying it's a harmless peaceful drug. Even Joe Rogan said he had some super paranoid episodes on weed. I realize though, nothing I say can overcome your bias. You look like you have your mind made up.
Wait, wait, wait. You don’t know if it went into your lungs or not? You’d know if it did lol
I cough every time I smoke so I'm not sure if it has any effect. Also I've heard there are some people resistant to weed so maybe I didn't feel it in small quantities and when I ate that brownie I was a big overdose.
I think it’s just a plug for his book essentially.
Weed can unlock per-existing psychological conditions in some people.
Pretty simple. It's like alcohol, it inebriates you and you likely will do things you would not do when in your sober right mind! Everything I've done that I wish I hadn't was while drunk.
I’ll add everything I did that I wish I hadn’t was when I was LIBERAL!!!!😩🤣
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Tell me you've never smoked weed without telling me you've never smoked weed.
so can life. and that's it. none of this is in context. matching like-for-like there's far more danger in making draconian restrictions to people than in the things people would do to and of themselves. that's why I say Alex's piece is not good. it's all set to stir a pot always ready to boil over. check reality, look at the covid thing. at any time there's a vast danger of being crippled, put down, murdered by the oppression loving. whatever you should call them. i don't know. but those who think the answer to every evil they can imagine - and they do simply imagine most of them - is to impose draconian restrictions and penalties.
I agree. It's a bad take on cannabis. It's got it's issues like anything in life but it's not the devil's lettuce LOL
While I agree that it can cause psychosis, I’ve experienced psychosis and it definitely didn’t cause me to be violent it more or less made me more sympathetic of others.
It also generates paranoia and a belief that someone is attacking you and you need to attack “back”. In some people.
It’s the paranoia that can be dangerous. I’ve experienced it myself. It’s very aggressive paranoia against something an individual has said or done in the moment like in this story. I’ve also experienced paranoid schizophrenia and it isn’t the same. It’s very acute and in the moment.
I've had that paranoia and anger kick in from binge drinking.
I’m sorry. That sounds difficult for you and those around you at the time I’m guessing! It’s My brother can get aggressive with too much.. and my mum. I just get silly most of the time. Alcohol can be very very dangerous too and I think most are aware of this luckily!
Did you take anything for your paranoia?
Did you?? ;)
Hahahaha
Same here. Had psychosis when it was illegal or not regulated. Not much since. Getting lower THC strains with CBD has helped immensely.
The same could be said about alcohol, which is often blamed for violence in people. The fact is drugs, alcohol reduce one's control and inhibition. When this happens things don't usually go well, for some people they go worse. Nevertheless, it is rare that people go off on psychotic rages without the use, at some point, of a chemical substance. The difficult part is trying to identify those adults chemical substances will cause psychotic episodes. For teens and children the answer is simple, chronic use will invariably lead to some mental and perhaps physical issues. The gist of Alex's book is that society should better protect the youth, while monitoring adult usage for issues.
What frustrates me is that we know some people do violent things when they drink alcohol we don’t blame it on the alcohol itself - we blame it on the person. But when someone does something violent while high on cannabis - we blame it on the cannabis and say, “look what it makes people do, they didn’t have control over their actions because of the weed”
Clearly the government does blame alcohol, which is why there are certain restrictions. There are laws against having/using firearms while under the influence, for example. Why? Because violence tends to break out. On commercial airlines alcohol can be limited due to passenger violence and in most bars when a person reaches a certain state of inebriation they are cut off and asked to leave. Alcohol and weed are both mind altering substances, therefore they do share blame in violence or irrational behavior of individuals who are "high" on them. Neither are benign and both can pose danger, and as such, we as a society should recognize and acknowledge the danger.
You’re misunderstanding my argument here. I’m all for having more severe consequences while intoxicated period. But why is it that you’re more severely punished while drunk rather than high? This guy got manslaughter because he was high but if he was drunk he’d still get a murder charge. Thus why I feel that we blame the substance rather than the person.
Yes, to some degree I did misunderstand your argument. I agree with you that the punishment should be equal regardless the substance used, what I don't understand is the notion of blaming the substance. It is my understanding we are blaming the indiscriminate usage of substances. My argument is that each of them are conducive to changing a person's mentality and therefore should be viewed as problematic for an orderly society. I'm not arguing for illegality, rather for more responsibility on those that use and that when problems are identified users are diverted into programs to stop usage as they are unable to handle drug usage. The first step is recognizing that marijuana and it's psyche altering derivatives are not simply benign drugs, but are more powerful and dangerous than most believe. Thanks for explaining your position, I hope I understood you better.
Okay, haul him to site of the crime, get him good and high to invite the demons back, then run him over a little at a time until dead.
Not at all. Drink leads people to shoot at tax collectors; and miss!
Um, no. THC makes people suggestible.
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i haven't read it. your take seems to be that he advocates control. there's too much control already.
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The obvious culprit here is global warming and systemic racism.
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you mean Trump?
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good answer!
There’s a lot to consider in these cases and I think you’re jumping to conclusions. Laced cannabis, pre-existing mental illness, etc. I don’t think cannabis can make just anyone into a stone-cold killer. I think the ability and urge to kill someone is deeply rooted in their psyche and it’s possible cannabis could bring that to the surface. I appreciate your posts and hearing the other side, but I think your over-simplifying.
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You have no idea what teenage brains that are still maturing into the early 20s are capable of being disrupted and destroyed by 20% + THC content, if not laced with ketamine, PCP, and even Fentanyl and formaldehyde will do to unsuspecting users.
By the way, to other readers here, almost ALWAYS the folks who dismiss or minimize risks by use of daily cannabis are either pathetic clueless stoners, owners of pot shops, or, have agendas by the Left to encourage the inevitable scene from the movie Idiocracy, that fairly much the whole population is just sitting at home stoned and watching pathetic stupid useless TV shows, and think Gatorade is the only liquid to drink and use...
Think about it, you serfs are relentlessly stoned and inattentive to what the rulers really want, disposable bodies to do the grunt work, until they fall to the ground spent, unconscious, and/ or dead...
Are you sure *you* aren’t stoned? I ask because you clearly cannot read or write coherently or stay on topic.
Nice projection there, are you being "Frank" with us what you are truly about in agenda and purpose...
I'll stick to trying to use less than 4 syllable words, you folks really get lost and agitated when people like me write in fully educated terms...
If your writing is an example of being fully educated, I'll take mine rare. Most of your comments are insulting rants directed at your fellow participants here. Belittling everyone else while presuming a status for yourself of superior intelligence and enlightenment is a sign of a disturbed mind.
Seek help before you snap and kill us all.
What , your rare education?
Nice Freudian slip there…
And you likely await leftist buddies to snap and “crash” or “peacefully protest” others’ lives into misery and death…
I’m 55- started as a MMJ patient when I was 52. Not a drinker. Smoked on occasion but hated it.
No prior drug use.
I use it only as needed which is generally before bed to allow me restorative sleep. 8 hrs solid instead of 3 to 4 makes me a more functional adult.
Maybe a CBD theragel or a hit off a pre roll. I always watch the strain and the terpenes.
Abusers gonna abuse
I’m not one of them and I take cannabis use seriously and wish the uninformed haters would shove it.
PS-I’m not a liberal/progressive nor democrat. I’m more conservative than one might think but having almost died from big pharma crap
I don’t think you know what you’re talking about.
and what's the covid measures/madness/propaganda doing to those maturing minds?
The Joe Rogan episode with Sanjay Gupta is interesting, because in it, Rogan, an admitted fan of weed talks about a buddy of his that went crazy and was mental altered after eating a high dosage edible (I think he ingested it). I know I have had a few experience with homemade edibles where even though I started small the dosage wasn’t consistent. When I’ve had them from dispensary the experience has been as desired.
I can't say its impossible for someone to 'snap' due to cannabis because we just don't know. We don't know the medical history of Rogan's friend, nor do we know exactly what he smoked. That aside, I believe that every human being is unique and may respond to certain chemicals differently, especially THC and related cannabinoids.
Cannabis being federally illegal and off-the-table for researchers for so long has put us way behind where we should be. We are now in a position where states are fully legalizing it and we still don't know the full effects it has on developing brains and on those with certain mental conditions. Had cannabis been available to researchers decades ago, we might have been set on a very different path.
Psychotic people should definitely NOT smoke pot or use any altering substance illegally. That doesn't mean that pot makes people psychotic.
I’m sorry,but you are greatly mistaken.Alex is dead right about this and there is abundant literature documenting the relationship.Read Alex’s book…
I haven't read Alex's book, though cannabis has been used by humans for thousands of years and our brains have even evolved THC specific receptors for it. Cannabis is used widely across the West coast today - if there were any strong correlation between cannabis and turning someone with normal psychology into a psychotic we would be aware of it.
Just because a receptor allows for the binding of a chemical does not mean that that receptor developed SPECIFICALLY for that chemical. Coronavirus binds to Ace 2 receptors that does not mean that it belongs in our body.
Please don't tell me what belongs in my body. It's my choice.
That's for anandamide.
Sorry to say, you're right...Though I find it hard to call them "Progressives" any more. They are regressing to the mean -- where "mean" is a synonym for "cruel."
I’m always amazed at the weed apologists who get sooooo pissed off about Alex’s take when they obviously haven’t read his book
I'm not an apologist for anything. I don't have a strong opinion about pot legalization or decriminalizationonecway or the other. I don't smoke. I'm just knowledgeable about it. I bet that guy drinks coffee also. Definitely makes people more edgey than pot. I also know that the vast majority of legalization proponents are totally ignorant about the treaty basis of all US drugs laws. I am opposed to treaty-based domestic laws, and that includes treaty-based drug laws. It gets me how people make assumptions stereotyping people based on zero information and purely uninformed assumptions.
But you didn’t read the book
I also didn't read Peace and War but I know the difference.
I'm not reading anything I know to not be factual. If I did, I'd waste valuable time chasing down rabbit holes. This is so low on the list of things important that it merits no effort.
Please tell me where you got the device, or talent, that enables you to judge something to be "not factual" without reading it.
I have a book proving the earth is flat. Did you know that the earth is flat.
You didn't give me the information I requested.
You just now figuring that part out?
Lol
Science is in the eye of the beholder,. and is often nonsense.
Witness the gibberish from the CDC regarding Covid.
Reefer Madness was fictional then and now, and a psycho hiding behind it doesn't lend legitimacy.
I mentioned Reeder Madness only as a joke. When I first say this subject I thought it was a lampoon spoof. I didn't think it was any more intended to be taken seriously than the 1930s film (which we would get high before class when we were scheduled to watch it). With all due respect to our host.
Bingo. I know a lot of potheads, professional people who smoke regularly and are highly successful. Almost everyone in my life smokes pot. I'm 50 and this has been the case since I was in my late teens. Don't know a single person who has gone psychotic from the reefer.
I'm going to have to go ahead and disagree with you on this one Alex. Just to be clear, I'm not defending or supporting or denouncing the use of cannabis. I don't have a dog in that fight. But there are billions of people smoking and eating or who have otherwise used cannabis products. If there were a direct correlation to cannabis use and psychotic episodes let alone murder I'd think we'd have heard about it in rather dramatic fashion, don't you? In fact I'd think everyone would know someone whose had these problems. No, I'm going to put my money on this damaged human had a psychotic disorder long before he ever ingested cannabis. And the cannabis is an incidental variable in the overall equation and this is more an indictment of a mental health system that failed this couple. That's a fight I do have a dog in. 25 years I was in it. 17 of them as a Case Manager for DMH in Massachusetts. I also raised my wife's daughter who began suffering bipolar disorder at the very rare age of 5. I know the system and I know it's as broken as those it purports to be helping. Sad case all around.
Well, here in Alberta, emergency room physicians come across many patients who have mental health issues that use cannabis, which furthers psychotic episodes. I have mental health issues and my psychiatrist informs me all the time not to take any cannabis bc of its correlation with psychotic episodes. The two do not mix.
We are not in disagreement. In fact you make my point. Your physician states you have a psychotic disorder and to avoid the use of cannabis. The title of this article is "Cannabis Causes Psychosis". This is simply not so. It may exacerbate the condition but it certainly does not causes it.
You are wrong.Read Alex’s book.What’s the matter?You scared,bro?
I don't need to buy Alex's book ans read it to know that "Cannabis Causes Psychosis" is, in my opinion a false statement. It may exacerbate or encourage the emergence of a condition to which a very small (about 1%) of the population are predisposed. But it most certainly does not "cause psychosis". I like and respect Alex's work. Based on my personal and professional experience with substance use and understanding of mental health dx's, I simply disagree with the statement "Cannabis Causes Psychosis".
I’m not your bro bitch. And what exactly am I supposed to be scared of?
Very true! I am in agreement.
What other meds are those patients on? Since, as you said, they have been diagnosed with issues us there any chance their prescribed meds (or lack thereof) could be a contributing factor?
From my experience, the patient(s) go off their prescribed medication and self-medicate with cannabis. So, that’s another reason why, I suppose, they are more likely to reach a state of deep psychosis. Going off a antipsychotic or benzodiazepine and/or both at once can be very dangerous.
So the emergency room visits could be attributed to their getting off meds an smoking pot may be no more a cause to their psychosis than drinking coffee, which of course was my point.
I think that is fair to say. There is much at play when dealing with the inner workings of the mind, but that’s the best knowledge we have.
You are mistaken.The relationship has been established beyond doubt.Read Alex’s book…
Cannabis is no more causally related to psychosis than alcohol is to alcoholism. Should we try the prohibition experiment again because there is a segment of the population that reacts badly to alcohol and they become alcoholic? Should we place breathalyzer's in every vehicle because some people drive drunk? I like SaHiB's recommendation below. Psych evals prior to MMJ cards👍.
You are wrong.Read Alex’s book.What’s the matter,bro?You scared?
We might even have heard about some adverse reactions to COVID shots. Heh; psychotic evaluation before getting a MMJ card. What a thought!
Indeed! I've never been and never will subscribe to blanket solutions, one size fits all.
Treating individuals like individuals. What a thought.
That is the first time I ever heard of somebody acting violently from cannabis
Then you've missed out on the reports--been out there for about a hundred years!
"According to research studies, marijuana use causes aggressive behavior, causes or exacerbates psychosis, and produces paranoia. These effects have been illustrated through case studies of highly publicized incidents and heightened political profiles."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7084484/
Exacerbates means that the psychosis is inherent and there before the cannabis use.
Not necessarily.
That doesn't negate the point. Wouldn't it be good to know if you are a person that struggles with anger or has certain preexisting risk factors that canibis may NOT be the ticket to help you relax and may instead make something worse?
"That doesn't negate the point."
That's exactly what it does.
No,it doesn’t.Why don’t you read Alex’s book?What’s the matter?You scared,bro?
Only of your mom.
Thank you. Reading comprehension is an important skill. Wish they learned it to all "journalists" and "reporters", not just the good ones like you.
Thank you for sharing. I hope all those that think it’s not harmful at least pay attention for those that know first had that is definitely can be.
You're welcome.
See the linked journal article for discussions of cases of this phenomenon.
They didn't call it "Reefer Madness" for nothing!
True. the called it "Reefer Madness" because it was a propaganda film aimed at justifying the Controlled Substances Act. That act was the basis of a power grab by federal bureaucrats who were to be thrown out of work with the repeal of alcohol prohibition. The act was also obviously unconstitutional and established as "federal powers" certain powers that were never granted to the federal government by the US Constitution.
Watch the old film you referenced and see how ridiculously false it is.
Have you read Alex’s book?What’s the matter,bro? You scared?Read it.I dare you…
Troll.
It's definitely a thing for those with preexisting generic psychosis.
Then you’ve led a very sheltered life…
Please crawl out from rock.
I cannot tell you how many of my long time acquaintences 60-70 have over the last 5 years made the drive to CO and bought cookies and gummies and gotten F'd up beyond what used to be smoking a joint. At thanksgiving 2019 a couple almost had to go home! They got something bad or way to strong. A month ago I was invited to The Rolling STones concert and a 65yr old flight attendant in our group pulled out her "gummies"... I said Hell NO. She got antisocial and stood in the hallway behind us through the whole concert. I don't like being with someone high, because they leave you mentally and get in their own little world. Maybe it's fun if you're both doing it together. I agree, something is not right with the new stronger strains. Also, if someone cannot be around others in a social setting without getting high, what's the use of living? I have finally quit drinking wine because I drank at every occasion and drank a bottle daily through the first year of Covid out of boredom and lonliness! Not worth living that way. I thank God every morning for feeling GOOD and having a sober mind.
When I saw Led Zepplin -- some 45 years ago -- the arena was filled with enough pot smoke to cause the global warming freaks to have a flatulating cow.
I buy 1:1 CBD:THC gummies at under 50 mg. No tripping out on those.
I thank God for creating cannabis so I can naturally treat my life-long insomnia.
From experience and from what I’ve read, eating cannabis causes WAY more psychosis than smoking it.
In fact it is quite clear that the very word 'cannabis' causes extreme paranoia and psychosis in a large segment of the population. I don't know if there's a name for that condition and I can't understand why it hasn't been seriously studied.
If people were going insane at simply reading or hearing the word 'aspirin' or somesuch it'd be a big time news story and science puzzle with everyone working on it.
But 'cannabis' - nothing.
Very strange.
Clearly,Art,you’ve had waaaay too many gummies.Step away from the gummies,Art…
Wait for the stoners and pot shop owners to tell you those folks were dumb F's who should have known better, and really, they will write it that way once you challenge them, read below, and note I won't be Civil Acquiescing and Tolerant to their pathetic uncaring retorts...
How about we all read the book “Tell your children the truth about Alcohol and it’s destruction of the mind, body and other people”. I’m not a big fan of making it easy for kids to use pot because developing brains are a whole different subject. However, resorting back to irrational and mostly false fear based information like “Reefer Madness” only makes young people think adults are idiots and will never look at Marijuana use properly. This dude was probably an unstable person naturally and this is just the exception that proves the rule. Marijuana is not the Devil.
If we publicized the same sort of evidence with alcohol, it would shock and horrify people.
What is your factual basis for calling his entirely fact and data-based book "mostly false misinformation"? You have obviously not read it.
I was also speaking more in general, thus my reference to “Reefer Madness”. Since the push for legalization there seems to be a new crop of sensational books to profit off of ignorance. Using fear to force people in some direction never serves the purpose.
What is your basis to know if all is facts are actually factual.
I read the book. And like all of his reporting, he includes citations to the sources of the data.
And when you say that you were "speaking more in general", I disagree. You explicitly stated, ".. resorting back to irrational and mostly false fear based information like “Reefer Madness” only makes young people think adults are idiots and will never look at Marijuana use properly." To whom are you referring in making this accusation?
You may have a valid point, but it is completely lost when you make such sweeping generalizations and denigrate information you have not even reviewed. It completely erases any credibility to bring to anything you say.
Citations of bad and biased studies are useless. Anyone who has experienced the last year and half should know how data is manipulated and people who have biases are sitting ducks. Don’t bother arguing with me because I know the truth.
So you haven't read it, you don't intend to read it, and anyone who has read it has been duped. That about sum it up for you?
You know exactly ZERO about me, yet you want me to "face it, [I'm] biased and have had biased beliefs on this subject all your life."
And yet you think you have any credibility to comment on a study you have never read.
You seem triggered. And dug in. And not a serious person worth wasting time with.
Oh I keep forgetting I have my own personal experience directly on the subject. At one time I have spilled more “strong” Marijuana than most have used. I don’t use it anymore, but have had the occasion to use an edible form since I have developed severe pain from arthritis and its pain relief in this specific instance was very remarkable. As a younger person I didn’t have chronic pain and so the medicinal aspects were not important. We all know what was important…LOL. I also know this, the amounts of over the counter pain relievers I have to take so I can get out bed in the morning will eventually destroy my liver, kidneys and stomach. You want to know what one of the most dangerous drugs in terms of lethality from overdose is Tylenol. It’s LD50 from the set therapeutic dose to possible liver failure is super tight. Basically most people take two 500mg (1000mg) for a headache, yet the possible lethal dose is 3000mg. Young girls due to their low weight end up killing themselves or severely damaging their liver in suicide attempts from Tylenol. Look it up.
Listen the potheads who haven’t even read the book obviously know more about the book than you who have read the book
I could say the very same of you. You come back quoting me and then attributing 180° opposite opinions about my intent instead of taking my comments as food for thought and capitulate a bit. You seem dug in!! See it’s easy to make simple assumptions. No I’m not triggered, but I do have this other idiot trying their best to do so. See, I have read many, many white papers on this subject and have years of training to understand highly technical information. I tend not to have things fed to me by lay people who usually have a bias on the subject. I go straight to the source.
The more I get to know who Alex Berenson is the more I realize I disagree with him on many things and although I really liked his stance against the whole Scamdemic I am more inclined to not use him as a source because he has a sketchy past on other subjects IMHO. And not just this subject. Mainly he’s a book whore. Finds a subject that’s polarized write a book and make money. I probably should remove myself from his substack so I’m not tempted to comment and get involved with low information people. It was nice to get quick links to Covid lies, but like most things they’re a double edged sword.
Again, this post brings out the following:
another stoner/ pot shop owner/ leftist scumbag who wants serfs distracted.
Let me guess, you’re a fucked up Alcoholic who will defend his bottle to the very end?? Yep that’s it for sure!!
Face it, you’re biased and have had biased beliefs on this subject all your life.
Why don’t you read Alex’s book first?You clearly need the information contained in it.What’s the matter,bro?Scared?Read it,and give us a book report?
Yep, another stoner/ pot shop owner/ leftist scumbag who wants serfs distracted...
people who shriek "no harm" are as absurd and useless as the polarized opposites who shriek "any drug is always bad!"...
You’re an absolute dickhead. You’re just another simple minded idiot who had to use distractions instead of intelligence.
I hope to God you don't provide health care to others...
I hope to God you don’t provide anything that involves your mental capacity.
Also you represent another huge problem. Many people who think they’re conservative are too stupid to live. I’m a real Constitutional Christian Conservative, but the hard thing I’ve had to swallow is many people who think of themselves as constitutional, christian and conservative have IQ’s so low that they’re an embarrassment to those of us who have brains. Go crawl back under your rock. Troll.
Another projecting pot worshipping punk...
Sheesh, these folks will genuinely tell you that if our leaders smoked pot, the world would definitely be a better place...
Idiocracy, folks, these people think that movie is a documentary...
All you can do is lie and make up stuff so you don’t have to discuss real information. For your information I just recently had a totally legit doctor who is part of a huge healthcare system and in practice for years offer to prescribe medical Mariana to me for my sever arthritic pain. I refused. Mostly because I would have to register with the State and mess up my ability to carry. That is more important because you never know when you’ll run into a radical bastard like yourself and have to Rittenhouse their ass.😁😁😁😁
I see a deeper meaning and red flag here. Cannabis, alcohol and other drugs are being supported and defended by a deep state that sees the need to keep the general population in a “frequent happy state” and dependent state to more easily and effectively control them.
Slavery is more alive and well than ever. It’s just high tech style deception now.
Most definitely!
LOL. You will own nothing and BE HAPPY. Everyone freaking out about the 'own nothing' part (b/c duh, how can I be happy w/nothing? Horrors!), but nobody paying attention to he 'be happy' part. Likely this story is just a false flag designed to get more widespread acceptance of corporate-controlled doses of happiness--whatever soma-ish pill or nasal spray or VR experience 'they' are going to sell us as "safer" than oohh scary weed (scary everything they don't sell). Sarcasm font. Sort of.
Interestingly, this is also one of the most aggro comments sections I've read today.
FWIW, I think we don't know the whole story on this guy, and to extrapolate from one case is maybe not the best idea.
Been smoking heavily and daily for decades since moving to CA. I used to drink and at times I would become an angry drunk and occasionally violent to material object but not people. In all my times with MJ i have never felt angry like I did drinking. I frankly almost never feel angry at all and certainly far from ever being VIOLENT. I think the people who act out on Pot are the same people who act out under the influence of alcohol, prescription pills, sugar, depression, hunger, etc etc.
I’m with you there dude. Smoking almost daily for 20 years and people always say how chilled out I am. The only arguments I’ve got into in that time is when I’ve been drunk and not smoking. I’ve never got into an argument when stoned, we just end up laughing or forgetting about what we were talking about or both
Thanks for the support. Ha. Yes.
I was typing something very similar just as you posted this. Agree. It's obvious as the nose on our face for those of us who have actually done both. Most here are just repeating what they've read.
Different people have different reactions to things. I drink even a little and I get severe vertigo, so I can't drink. My husband has tried pot twice hoping it would help relax him instead he had two very unpleasant psychedelic experiences for which he told me he was very glad me and the kids were NOT home.
I believe it and I am sad to hear it. Sometimes you need to do it with someone you trust as smoking can be "spooky" for rookies because the effects can be unexpected.
MJ more of a "totally chillax, lets lay down and watch a movie. something with pretty lights and gfx". Also meaning the original not the freaky modified plants
Try switching to lithium.
Bet you love Gavin Newsom
I hate Gavin Newsom. I love TRUMP. Must suck to be so closed minded. Here is my rumble channel. I was kicked off twatter 4 times because they hated my videos: https://rumble.com/c/c-985863
Only 4? Slacker. Kek
Too stoned to miss the other dozen times…
Wow, then why do you still live there, or, is the access to pot more important than to have freedom in lifestyle choices otherwise?
Once again you act as though people have full control of every aspect of their lives. I work in TV. My wife works in TV. My inlaws live here. We were very hopeful that the recall was going to end up different and have been exploring options since. I am not a quitter and there are plenty of great CA conservatives who are in similar situations and who have been fighting the good fight out here. You, whoever the F you are, are an incredibly unpleasant and ignorant person so I would like to know where you live so I don't move near your idiotic ass.
God-bless you! Running is the problem with this country and our borders. Stay where you're at and fight for Your freedoms.
Fight on your knees?
Northerly neighbor, godspeed CA. We are in it too [OR]. Damn Brown family cartel.
Oh my, I've been outted.
LMAO alex how many users are not violent psycho's hmm? what is the occurrence, 1 in 1 billion or what? Less than the coronavirus problems that is for sure.
alcohol abuse murders occur at an exponentially higher rate.
Way more violent -I’ve never seen an angry pothead punch someone in the face
I HAVE seen them steel chips from the other guy, man... it was just awful.
Crawl out from under your rock. Call friends to bring pry bars and jacks to help.
Alcohol is by far the deadliest drug in the world.
Sorry, I mean salt..
Sugar. FTFY
and the most delicious
I have to disagree, cannabis induced psychosis only arises when it's genetically inherent.
You cannot develop cannabis induced psychosis unless you have a family history of psychosis.
Concur, crazy people are also crazy when they're stoned. Sane people are still sane when they're stoned. This is not difficult. I don't advocate that children be exposed to cannabis or any other mind altering substance either. Cannabis and its derivatives have many medical uses where the alternatives have much worse side effects and often less effectiveness.
I have to disagree due to personal experience. Won’t go into details but our son used cannabis heavily and was indeed psychotic after previously never having the kind of behavior he was demonstrating when using. He then moved on to other forms of mind altering drugs. He went through a treatment program that actually worked. 10 years later he is working for a large financial services firm, drug free, living a normal life-except for the virus of course.
I know a man confined to wheelchair who was bright and fun to converse with. Until his doc started him on "medical marijuana". Now he's effectively a zombie. No thanks.
Under 18s should not smoke cannabis for the same reason they shouldn't be having caffeine either.
It's known to alter the neural networks of a teenagers brain which is not fully developed.
I'm not making excuses for those with psychosis as they should know they have potential to experience it and should be criminally liable when choosing to do drugs .
A lot of FDA sanctioned meds cause Psychosis, mental confusion, and addiction. Now explain how those who suffer the violent trauma of War, find it helps with their PTSD?
And do you know if you have any family history of psychosis? I'd tried marijuana as a college student, flipped out because of a pot brownie and that was before the jacked THC levels of today. At that time I didn't know my paternal grandmother had been a paranoid schizophrenic. I hated the feeling of being stoned and out of control. But didn't know my family history of psychosis: my family is otherwise sane and successful.
There's a reason it's called loco weed
Consuming too many edibles is not a comfortable feeling and dosing should be very carefully monitored. I would never advocate that anybody dive in with a large dose. Smoking or vaping is much better in terms of controlling dosing and is of shorter duration if overdone.
I know that I don't have any history of psychosis in my family.
But even then, if I experienced any troubling effects I would never take it again.
I know, you read that on the internet. Right?
"You cannot develop cannabis induced psychosis unless you have a family history of psychosis."
Citation needed.
I've no family history of psychosis, but eating a high potency cookie put me in psychosis once.
Once
I have two friends, whose young sons (20ish) were chronic pot smokers, but otherwise perfectly healthy. They woke up one day with severe symptoms which were later diagnosed first as psychosis and later as a form of schizophrenia. The two specialists they saw (one at UCLA) had no doubt marijuana was the cause. This seems to be common now, unlike the pot we all smoked 20 years ago. Their conditions are permanent. It obviously doesn't happen to everyone, but it's happening, kind of like myocarditis is rare, but isn't.
I knew something was amiss with this enormous push to legalize it, and the feds refusal to enforce the then-federal law against commercial sales/dispensaries. Again, it seems that this "movement" came from the top down and not the other way around. There are no coincidences, no mistakes.
The evil forces been working for decades to bring society down.
Yes, and in many, many subtle and random ways--all converging. It's almost like a group of people sat in a room and mapped this all out, detail by detail.
seriously Alex you wrote a book on Marijuana?? i am 72 been around it since i was 16 never knew still dont know anyone it has harmed. most cases of this have Fentynal mixed in.
There is no serious medical disagreement on this issue: cannabis causes (or brings to the surface) serious psychological problems like schizophrenia and psychosis in a small subset of the population, usually young men. Every drug has downsides and the people who pretend that marijuana has none are not being honest. And just to be clear, I think that locking people up for marijuana is one of the most insane, destructive policies ever pursued. Marijuana is safe for the large majority of the population but is harmful to a few. Being honest about this is the only way to get the best policy and best outcomes for society.
i am just saying yes it is rare just like everything else. I still say its mixed now which makes it 10 x worse
Sometimes I think Alex trolls his subscribers.
My stepbrother was stuck in psychosis following marijuana use at university and never recovered. Another friend was hospitalized due to a psychotic episode as a teenager. It doesn’t impact everyone the same way, much as adverse events for certain other drugs/treatments. And again it is ignored and overlooked and these are the minority that suffer. And the general public do need to know the risks as Alex highlights here. Informed choices.
Firstly , cannabis Induced psychosis cannot just appear...
It's there, the cannabis just brings it out and it's why it's important to check your family medical history before trying cannabis.
Secondly, nobody under 20 should be using cannabis Before their brains have settled.
Open your eyes. You may need the sunglasses in "They Live".
Brings back memories of "Reefer Madness".
Just had to post this. It was required viewing in high schools in the 70s, so it must be true. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXtumnTN6zg
Psychosis does not come about by smoking pot. About the only thing we can say for sure about it is that there is a hereditary factor to it. I have worked in the field seeing people in crisis and I've never seen anything like it. Some drugs, meth, will make you crazy, but that's not psychosis. Psychotic people can be very rational and act purposefully. Crazy people are just off the wall, (https://www.luhrenloup.com/zombie-woman-terrorizes)
Anything can cause a person predisposed to psychosis to slip into a psychotic state. It could be the way the sunlight was refracting against the bedroom mirror.
These cockamamie ideas have more to do with one's moral attitude than with facts.
Stick to the issue at hand. Stopping mandatory vaccination.
Mandate means: https://archive.vn/Jt6a1 "A mandate is a contract by which a lawful business is committed to the management of another, and by him undertaken to be performed gratuitously."
Gratuitous means: https://archive.ph/fR3qH "Voluntary; without force, fear, or favor."
Compliance is consent.
Sounds like quilt by association. It's like saying guns cause murders. For pot, it seems as likely that psychos are attracted to pot and other narcotics as an attempt to escape their psychosis, as it would be that pot causes the problems. Lots of people try pot and don't become psychotic. Pot is probably an innocent bystander.
So, what percentage of a disruptive if not disabling side effect makes you start to get concerned that it should be highly regulated if not minimally accessed by the public?
5%, 10%, 20%…?
Going back to the Covid issue, if only 5% of people getting shots get seriously ill and die, is there an acceptable loss for the other 95% to get the full benefit? But, the people who should be notifying us of the risk /benefit profiles aren’t doing so, because they don’t want you to know that the shots to allegedly vaccinate us protectively probably are causing a 25+ percentage of consequences, and, less than 5% of people getting Covid need serious medical interventions if they would be responsibly treated in the first place.
The problem is, most people don’t think about the risk /benefit ratio, until it becomes painfully personal…
First I'd be interested in evidence the factor caused the side effect, not just associated with it. I haven't seen that evidence, which is why I asked it in my comment. The vax is different. We have pretty good evidence it's the cause. In that case, I'd look for benefits and do basic risk management. If the likelihood of harm is greater than benefit, I'd skip it. I don't see any benefit to me from vax, so I remain unvaxed due to the small risk. There is no benefit from pot, so any risk at all would be a disapproval factor. Is there evidence of any risk from pot?
I find your comment just completely disingenuous, you say first that there’s no benefit from vax, and there’s no benefit from pot so, what do you expect as evidence of risk from pot?
Yeah, mind altering substances only have benefits or just neutrality, there never are risks…
Can you have a moment of candor and realize that your comment is just completely utterly and totally disingenuous if not dishonest to offer?!
I will say this, sometimes you write some very intriguing and thought-provoking comments, and then you write this drivel, it’s a level of inconsistency that I just find untrustworthy.
But you don’t care about what I think anyway, so go on…
No benefit to me from vax doesn't preclude benefit to others. It does help some. That's why the vax is optional, despite clumsy government coercion. Pot has no benefit to anyone, and no risk, so it's just entertainment. That's also optional, despite clumsy government coercion.
Most pot users, like most alcohol users, are fairly normal most of the time. Sometimes they're assholes, like some substack users. That's how life works.
Sometimes a question of such profound obviously indignant dismissiveness needs to be either ignored or shoved back up the orifice that spewed it to begin with.
Yes, there is evidence of risk from using pot, but, to even weigh uttering such shit doesn’t deserve further words, you covert leftist operative.
Does anyone else doubt the agenda of this Watson guy here?
It would be simpler, and more effective, to just cite your evidence. Or maybe you're just an overt right wing bully. I can handle bullies. Apparently they can't handle facts.
I don’t know, we can start with the point of this thread by Alex‘s post, but obviously that’s not good enough for you.
If you live long enough, and you interact with human beings of diverse experiences, you’re going to meet someone whose life has been fucked up by using marijuana.
Again as I said at above comment, I find you disingenuous and dishonest these days, but, again, you don’t give a shit what I think, and frankly, I don’t give a shit what you think either so, I guess we’re even.
Live your life under your terms, I hope you get through it in as minimally complicated and disruptive as possible, Happy Thanksgiving…
Still no evidence, I see. Maybe you'll tell us why you're so excited about this. Probably not.. People who don't know shit always like to talk shit. I was a narcotics cop for 10 years. I knew lots of users and lots of dealers. I assure you the dealers, who usually don't use their product (it's just business), are way more psychotic than their customers.
"So, what percentage of a disruptive if not disabling side effect makes you start to get concerned that it should be highly regulated if not minimally accessed by the public?"
My body. My choice. You should have no power over what I do with my body.
This is 2021, not 1971. Yeah, you have the right to choice, and so do the rest of us, to chose to stay the hell away from drug users who won’t take responsibility for the consequences from impaired choices.
But, we continue to allow profoundly impaired assholes from the Left to truly dictate we are to genuflect and obey these antisocial inhumane uncaring scum to kill us with vaccines, ruin our children’s lives with F head leechers, er, teachers, destroy our jobs and impoverish our finances, and cater to criminals and other dysfunctional losers like illegal immigrants and homeless folk who refuse help, and tie it in here, glorify and coddle drug users.
Elites in a moment of candor and brutal honesty would say, “fuck you peasants and responsible folk, you are useless and expendable to us Gods!”
And, the masses kneel and cower to this horrific despicable disgusting hate and lust for power…
Gee, I wonder what next “crash” or “peaceful protest” that destroys maims and kills innocent people will be glorified by your selfish shameless soulless media s**tbags?
And you all say nothing, much less do nothing to reject such disdain with profound impact…
Even the crickets are gone now………………………..
Your crude tantrum reveals your ignorance.
Yes, at least I’m consistent, I’m not a civil acquiescing tolerant stooge like many here, when people are hideously rude insensitive uncaring and disruptive, I can’t wait for these immature pathological sociopathic scum to fail and either flee this country or just die.
There are tens of millions of assholes out there who think they can callously disrupt and destroy peoples lives and have no accountability, and frankly, these S**tbags can’t die fast enough for me so, hopefully you’re making wise choices.
Again, Showing no backbone to evil, or arrogance, unsubstantiated intolerance, and most of all, frank nastiness, yeah, stupid move…
People can infer I’m doing that, and that’s fine, I just know this, I’m not going to be kneeling and cowering to the scumbags who cruel us relentlessly.
Happy Thanksgiving..,
Show your mom that post and ask her who's the asshole. Or your neighbor or any random passerby on the street.
The government has almost total control over our bodies, unless we make them stop. We are all property of whoever comes along who is stronger. Nice slogans won't help.
no one said its always safe for everyone. its just nearly infinitely safer than alcohol or tobacco.
Not when it's over used....which many are prone to do. And use in the young, with a not fully developed psyche, is damage waiting to happen. Very few people "need" MJ. And keep it from the young and don't over use!!
q: overusing marijuana is worse than overusing alcohol or tobacco?
Yeah, I don't believe that for a minute. I've been smoking marijuana for 45 years, and have never been so out of sorts that I lost control of my mental or physical capabilities, like alcohol does, not even close. So this person is lying. They are a murderer and using marijuana as there false excuse, when marijuana doesn't have that effect on anybody. Don't believe this for a moment.
Michael, I was right there with you, heavy smoker for 30+ years. I heard bits and pieces of this research from Alex for a few months while following him on Twitter, before he was censored of course, then I he mentioned it once or twice here on Substack, and I had your exact same reaction as you.
Then I bought his Unreported Truths about COVID and Lockdowns, Pat 4: Vaccines and he has a few pages in that about his cannabis research. It was very hard for me to read. Harder still to consider objectively. And almost impossible to accept but his conclusions are fair. It's worth a read.
Stick to covid analysis, please. This is ridiculous and Dr Mike has already schooled you on your terrible takes about marijuana.
Yep, another stoner/ pot shop owner/ leftist scumbag who wants serfs distracted...
Hey, get Biden to smoke dope and go out and do a lecture on how great it is...
in other words, his usual press conferences..
Isn't it hilarious how daily stoners look just like Dementor Joe???...
From personal experience and observation I am convinced that pot is VERY harmful. I have seen too many lives ruined by this drug. A reasonable attitude about it just helps spread the harm.
I respectfully disagree, recreational infrequent use is likely less harmful, but, the loudest shrillest obnoxious rigid and inflexible "proponent" of pot use either has no life outside being stoned all day, makes money selling pot, or, wants to have others stoned so the users can be abused misused and confused all dam day long.
From personal experience I believe it is harmless and helpful, but that doesn't mean I think you're incorrect. Like Covid I want the facts and all viewpoints, not just what the news tells me.
Well Berenson, there goes your credibility. Of course you should be careful using edibles but really?
https://www.facebook.com/notes/bruce-cain/why-the-right-to-grow-your-own-medical-cannabis-must-be-protected-from-tax-regul/1941658819193430/
I've also written a lot about the plandemic. Epstein didn't kill himself and Cannabis is quite safe compared to most drugs and vaccines. LOL
https://brucecain.substack.com/p/red-alert-a-global-anti-globalist
His point is that it is not so for ALL and shouldn’t be ignored. The events may be rare but they can be very very severe and the general public should be aware that they can happen. Knowledge is power. More knowledge is always more.
you should put more "knowledge" in your statement
Yeah...no.
All the folks here saying "I've smoked for years and I'm fine so he's wrong" -- that's exactly what all the pro vax people say. "Billions of doses of vaccine and the sky isnt falling"
yep. I smoked for a quarter of a century and gave up a quarter of a century ago and it effected me so badly that I've become accustomed to thinking of myself as a sane well balanced serious citizen concerned to improve myself, my family and my nation. Now wouldn't that be clearly insane! And to make things worse I feel quite sick when I read the words of those who attack pot smokers. And even infuriated to some extent. So there you go. I'm a clear example of the damage it does. And how long lasting it can be.
Christ, I even believe covid is not an evil terrible monster. I actually believe the evil terrible monster is all the govt measures. I believe forcing 100% of people to take a potentially life threatening untested procedure in order to maybe protect less than 1% while at the same time mandating against offering them any other protection and actively working to suppress their immune systems: is mad. That's how far gone I am.
Can't get much worse than that, can you?
It's a slam dunk.
No, people are falling, leftists look at the sky and shriek “global warming is the real danger”…
And then trip over said dead bodies and bitch “who the F are these dead people littering my path?!”
Chemtrails and gyrotrons are global warming?
Fair point
While I appreciate the discussion, there is just not enough evidence to clearly state this. You are adding to reefer madness. How about we allow legalization and decriminalization on a federal level, so medical research can be conducted. Till then why add to the hysteria?
The last bit, "Stay off the weed, son..." was a joke from a movie.
I was sincerely just flabbergasted that so many people were shocked it could happen... reefer madness aside (lol). I think people should decide for themselves with eyes wide-open, just like many other things in our lives can cause issues, so too can this. I never said people shouldn't use, except for the joke.
I absolutely never implied or stated that it shouldn't be used medicinally. My niece died of breast cancer at 25, I know she was in a lot of pain, so yes, I think people should be allowed and encouraged to use it as opposed to other more harmful painkillers.
Have a Happy Thanksgiving. 😊
I absolutely hear you. My concern with this conversation is that it could make access to medicine far more difficult (depending on the state) . I personally love these conversations and think it’s paramount in understanding the risk:benefit ratio. There is just so much more to cannabis than THC, which is why I’m for responsible and reasonable legalization and decriminalization. The amount of research needed is astounding because of all the questions being asked. More therapeutics need this amount of scrutiny and questioning. I’d love to see more conversations on cannabis!
Thank you! Happy Thanksgiving 🦃
I guess most of you are too young or have forgotten all of the experiments that many governments did with pot... yes, most definitely, it can cause psychological problems, both acute and long term, and permanent impairment. Does it happen to everyone? No, but it happens to enough. Stay off the weed, son...
This guy was psycho before the weed.
The LEFT is out for destroying our country (and the world in that matter).
They propagate FAMILY destruction and SOCIETY destruction. How else one can explain the release of criminals from prisons, legalization of opiates, destruction of traditional marriage by propagating LGBTQ+$#!@....... etc.
They preach tolerance but don't tolerate anything that differs from their view. I lived in communist society and I know how it works. If one doesn't fit in the cookie cutter, he is first shamed publicly, if that doesn't work, he's sent for 're-education', if that doesn't work, well, he disappear. I run away from that but I'm going to fight it here in USA!
Slight exaggeration. AfaIk, opiates are only "legalized" in places like Uganda.
That's where we're heading (unfortunately) IF we don't do something about it
Countries that decriminalize have across the board reductions, from number of users to number of overdoses.
The War on ,Drugs made certain people rich, ruined certain people's lives, corrupted cops and did nothing positive.
Declaring a plant criminal is insanity no shrink can cure.
Alex - cannabis is exactly how you got on my radar, and I thank you for it. Having never done marijuana, or even smoked a cigarette in my lifetime - I tried medical cannabis in middle age, DESPERATE for relief from restless leg syndrome (which is REAL and TERRIBLE for some people, btw). You are 100% correct, imho, that there are certain people for whom cannabis is most definitely not a fit, and I believe that number is higher than the industry would have us believe. I reacted terribly to it and was truly surprised. Telling my sister about it (embarrassingly) she casually said "oh yes it made me feel super paranoid." As dumb as it sounds, all of this was news to me. Thanks for having to courage to report on this issue.
Some people in this comment thread seem shocked by this, but I don't doubt that weed can cause psychosis in some people (even if it's a small subset of users). It should be studied further instead of being dismissed.
Some people are psychopaths without drugs. I don't care for regulation of the drugs but I care for LAW AND ORDER. You can have all the drugs you want if you are law abiding citizen, but if you break the law, pay the price regardless of drug status
With the studies that have come out linking cannabis and schizophrenia, has anyone tracked the rise in homelessness caused by mental illness and the legalization of cannabis? The legalization was a paradigm shift in triggering mental illness because the strains had much higher thc amounts and access to edibles with high THC and pure oils. This isnt the weed people were using before legalization. Sure, almost everyone has used weed but it was fairly low thc strains. When legalization occurred there was a few big steps like lab testing of THC, this step allowed selective breeding of strains to produce higher and higher content. This is franken-weed and it may be the reason we see all the mental illness and homelessness.
Cannabis will be the next scapegoat for covid 19 vaccine induced heart attacks in the young.
They already have. There was an article out of the UK (I believe) about pot use being the cause of increased heart attacks... OMG, so stupid. I presume that those people used before they got there coof shots, so the only thing that changed was the coof shots.
No, the Left will tell folks to smoke pot to lessen the risks to Covid, which, in fact, the stats are showing in fact regular pot smokers are at HIGHER risk...
yeah pun intended, and costs also offensive...
Can someone smoke so much that instead of getting married in Vegas, they get the vax?
So wrong...
Playing video games for 14 years at 50 to 60 hours a week probably didn't have anything to do with it.
Video games cone with their own issues...
Spot on!
Some of the largest studies in the world have been conducted outside of the "weed friendly" USA and have been ongoing for years. At the highest levels of medical research, it's no wonder why the question, "is weed bad for the human body", no longer discussed......they know full well it is bad so why continue to kick a dead horse! As the son of an accomplished surgeon and later on a county medical examiner, I was shown what continued use of weed will do to the respiratory system compared to a non-smoker healthy person. Same for cigarette smoking. Some things in this world are just not good to be consumed in any manner or form.
It's also no longer questioned whether weed causes a decreased immune response in the body... once again they know it does! It also causes lung hyperinflation, increased airway resistance and inflammation and there are studies linking weed usage to higher rates of outpatient treatment for a whole laundry list of respiratory issues compared to those who do not use it.
I'd like to see a study of Covid19 deaths compared and contrasted with lifestyle issues such as weed usage and see where that gets us. I got big betting money that it would be highly negative on the side of weed usage.
Enjoy your weed!
Every time I have tried pot I've wanted to kill!!! Kill a bag of oreos and a 1/2 gallon of milk.
I have killed after smoking. Mainly those creatures in the classic NES game Super Mario Bros.
I tell friends who will listen that Alex Berenson is the last of the true investigative journalists still doing his job.
This book was really informative. I gave a copy to a friend who has a psychological and drug counseling program. He's told me of some of the lunatic proposals at the state level of using cannabis to help PTSD sufferers. Based on no data at all.
shrooms, Psilocybin takes of hardcore PTSD. Cannabis can help day to day but if you are seriously under PTSD the shrooms are the way to go.
There is some good legitimate research on low dose "magic mushrooms" for depression and PTSD treatment .
It seems like it will be mainstream by 2022.
Well Berenson, there goes your credibility. Of course you should be careful using edibles but really?
To say the very least your book is totally unbalanced and seems to be an attempt to resurrect the old "Reefer Madness" nonsense. I spent 30 years pushing for "the right to grow" for Cannabis activists. Cannabis is one of the safest drugs. You cannot die from an overdose. And as my essay makes clear: in the 90's it was discovered that all humans, fish, animals have an Endocannabinoid System where Cannabis supplementation can improve many health problems. So "yes" you can get uncomfortably "high" on Cannabis edibles. But there is very little evidence that this has precipitated murder and mayhem. Most users of edibles quickly learn the limits.
It is kinda funny in an odd way. You do recognize that many of the Covid deaths were from an average of 3 comorbidities but you don't seem to understand that Cannabis users -- that on rare occasions become violent -- also suffer comorbidities such as psychosis, schizophrenia as well issues of nurture: no father figure in a child's upbringing. I think you should research anything you take into your body -- including Cannabis, Vaccines, Big Pharma drugs. But pushing this "Reefer Madness" narrative is not helpful. Stick to writing about what you research.
https://www.facebook.com/notes/bruce-cain/why-the-right-to-grow-your-own-medical-cannabis-must-be-protected-from-tax-regul/1941658819193430/
I wonder, have you taken the time to read his book?
I read the intro. So yes. Did you take the time to read my essay? It has been read over 10,000 times. I like Berenson by the way. But his book on Cannabis is simply unbalanced.
https://www.facebook.com/notes/bruce-cain/why-the-right-to-grow-your-own-medical-cannabis-must-be-protected-from-tax-regul/1941658819193430/
I’m not a user of cannibis but I am a highly trained medical professional (including two years of medical school) with a 47 year career in critical care medicine and surgery who has a reasonable level of understanding of cannabinoids.
Cannabis doesn’t “cause“ psychosis any more than cocaine, or alcohol when used “appropriately”. I have never used cocaine, but I do enjoy a glass of wine, Maker’s, or a single malt.
Overdose of any recreational “drug” including alcohol may cause severe alterations in the human psyche. The same is true of many drugs we legitimately use when they are misused. Dextromethorophan for suppressing coughs comes to mind (no pun intended).
You must separate and understand cause and effect here correctly.
Doc is it safe to take a couple of hits from the joint from time to time?
I enjoy indica. Sink into the couch and forget all my troubles. Forget all my cares.
Documented proof of this, They had it right in the thirties.
https://youtu.be/sbjHOBJzhb0
We have a culture of drug users. Fat obese, idiot mutants. I’ve been to the airport at 5am and have seen people with giant 36oz beers. Plates of fried food. 5am! Losers. This country is comprised of a lot of mutant losers.
Well America is known apparently as the most drugged nation on the earth.
Pot increases the risk of psychosis/psychotic episodes greatly, as Mr Berenson demonstrates in his book. What some people seem to have trouble digesting is that the fact they use and have not had "problems" is NOT dispositive evidence this is untrue. It does mean those same users are still playing with fire when they use. Each time they use they are more at risk; the opposite is not true. Why take the risk - AND possibly endanger others - for a cheap thrill/escape?
This is false. It has more to do with individuals predisposed to psychiatric episodes. Of course mention it and warn people. Let us not demonize cannabis for only one component. CBD would actually be helpful in the case of a psychiatric episode. Till more research is conducted you cannot make these false claims. If you do define what it is.
It's all laid out in his book. Read it and refute the evidence he brings. Then I will consider your OPINION. BTW, in the studies cited, there is plenty of evidence that a significant fraction of those experiencing psychotic episodes and/or general psychosis were NOT predisposed to psychosis. Also BTW, he treats the various components of pot separately. Finally, there have been plenty of studies done - over many decades. If you want to wait until a study shows the results you want to believe, that's foolish but you can do what you like.
By the way, what now, 6 or more years later that Colorado still evades and minimizes the consequences seen in their first state legalization of pot, the DUIs and MVAs, the toddlers getting poisoned from accessing edibles, and the pathetic dumbing down of businesses that have pot smoking jerks minimally working and ineffectively handling services...
Want to know why people flock to Colorado, in two words: NO ACCOUNTABILITY!!!
Many will try to dismiss this due to their personal experiences with Cannabis, but just like most everything, different people can have different reactions. Todays blunt puffers don't just "puff puff pass" . Many smoke 3, 5, 7 blunts a day and are incapable of Sleeping, Eating, Driving etc without it. Full blown dependency and psychosis. Without it, they become EXTREMELY agitated.
I know three young people over the last 10 years that had breakdowns/psychotic episodes due to marijuana use. None have fully recovered. It has devastated there families. I was shocked. I, nor them, knew this was a thing. And I amazingly know three! I did a little research and it is a real thing but not talked about. So sad and scary.
Thanks for sharing this. I learned long ago to never step between weed and those that love and worship it. They will defend it with religious zeal.
You are completely right--I observed it firsthand among many of my friends when I lived in Fort Collins and was dating a guy who was growing a garage and basement full of plants. The sad part is the marijuana-induced breaks were so uncharacteristic of the people I knew. And so violent and scary. Yet everyone is supposed to pretend like marijuana is completely safe and "just grass" and it's unscientific to say anything else (when the exact opposite is true--the data clearly shows the harm). And they get so, so, so angry if you suggest otherwise, as evidenced by people in this comment thread. Like, "Alex, I can follow you with the COVID stuff, but say one thing about marijuana and adverse effects, I'm out."