Luigi Mangione could have targeted ExxonMobil or Goldman Sachs. Instead he (allegedly) picked an insurance company executive. How did he wind up in the kingdom of the sick?
Maybe the real problem is our elite universities pump out graduates with six figure debts for degrees that will never get them enough money to pay the debt off?
I'd argue that higher education has a more predatory business model than the health insurance industry. Although both are seriously corrupt.
There's no excuse for the behavior of people who are celebrating this man's death.
Perhaps Gardner’s theory tying it to university indoctrination has merit?
Since Berenson ends the piece in guess work, anything goes I suppose.
What puzzles me is this kid, presumably having never harmed a soul, executing a fellow human in cold blood, initiating the murder with a shot in the back and thereafter pumping a few more rounds into the downed man for good measure. So very few among us possesses such callous disregard for life. Any life.
Was he the sort of child prone to torturing small animals while leering? Maybe? But I doubt it.
Or perhaps, he became a True Believer, as Gardener suggests, and so acted accordingly?
He seems closer to being a "trust fund" baby and certainly could have been on his parents insurance till age 26? Perhaps overtreated because he was wealthy.
But that's not the point. I just think there's a lot of young people that are totally disillusioned coming out of schools that have "ripped" them off whether they had families that could pay for it or not. For example: there are 10X the amount of "administrators" at my alma mater now than there was when I graduated in 93'. The professor are no longer there to teach, and the admins couldn't care less about the kids - they care about their sinecures.
There's a case to be made that the more one pays for education these days, the less value it represents.
Being a FLY on the wall of his youth would be insightful for sure. Just what was his formative years like within the home and outside the family home. Those years are TELLING!
Mangione got his money's worth from Penn. He studied computer science so wasn't marinated in hate and he also graduated with a degree he could profitably use. Alex may be right that drugs played a role in Mangione's (alleged) descent into madness, but paranoid schizophrenia still seems likely to me. He is the right age and fits the profile (high-functioning, often very intelligent). His somatic symptoms (physical complaints) are also characteristic of schizophrenia. Paranoid schizophrenia can produce obsessive compulsive behavior with elaborate plots that include stalking victims and killing them. The whole situation feels insane, which is usually a clue that it is.
I think SSRIs have been implicated in a number of the school shootings. Of course in our society today, so many people use SSRIs that its the odds of a gun-wielding killer using them are good.
Forget the SSRIs. I don't even think Luigi's the assassin. It's all too pat, too simple, and the whole MSM is running with the usual lockstep narratives. We can be pretty sure if they all say the same thing, it's a lie. Frankly I'm not buying the "Insane person, acting alone" garbage ever since the Warren Commission coverup. Nor can I imagine he was a hired gun (or he'd be dead by now). Thompson was under investigation, and was most likely targeted by someone with a lot to lose if he squealed. So they silenced him. I posted a longer explanation below (I think I was the 29th commenter or so.)
This this this. All day long. He’s likely the Lee Harvey Oswald of our time. I’ve seen people say “oh he’s 100% guilty”. I’m like “based upon what? What the media told you”. Seriously to trust anything the FBI and media tells us at this point is plain dumb
I could qualify for a medical card here in the Sunshine state but back in the 70's in the Bay area I did a lot of pot until my wife, and I split then it took me a couple of days to realize the downside of it when things were not going well. Never tried it again and not going to now. Cause with my old age health issues it would not end well.
As I briefly mentioned yesterday, I have a 23 yo son who spent March 2023 to May 2024 attempting to "cure" his debilitating OCD with marijuana and psilocybin use. Conventional treatment (combination of SSRI's, therapy, oh and let's throw ADHD legal meth in there as well) had proven to be ineffective. I have stories that could make your hair curl. It was a nightmare, he was OFF THE RAILS for a year. I didn't see him for over a year but the texts and video messages were crazy. Finally he figured out his method was not the answer and he stopped all drug use and moved back home in July 2024. He is still very disabled but is slowly becoming the person he was before this nightmare. The only reason he got off the Vyvanse (legal meth) was because his sister and I wrote letters to his primary care provider, who was using video visits, stating how his was circling the drain and she discontinued prescribing. Pot and 'shrooms are no joke.
I cannot begin to imagine how difficult this is for you, but what a big battle to win! That your son had the strength and awareness to walk away from those drugs is a reflection of your own strength in fighting for him.
Thank you for sharing this. It may be the only way to open eyes.
Whenever anyone says "pot is harmless, alcohol is worse" my response is "let me tell you a story." I believe he truly thought those substances would help him and he did get relief from his obsessive thoughts but it was never the permanent fix he thought it would be. His is on the autism spectrum so that is an added complication. Thank you for your kind words.
Carrying the backpack at the time of the alleged murder, and also at the time of his arrest..... If his back was as bad as some are trying to portray it, he would not have had that large a backpack on him, seemingly at all times. Talk to those who have real back issues.
This entire scenario is all too neatly packaged, so it smells staged and planted. I suspect it is merely to distract us from something else going on, such as the groundwork for that new plandemic Dr. Hotez has bragged will arrive on January 21, or some global event we should remain out of, but we are not, hence spending more billions of taxpayer funds in the name of "Foreign Aid", i.e.: money laundering.
I’m leaning this way too... it’s like a poorly written made for TV movie plot. If this guy was as smart as he’s supposed to be, why did he still have the murder weapon on him? Why had he made no attempt to disguise himself other than a beanie? Why was he so close to NYC? And, if I’m not mistaken, he was wearing the same clothes from five days earlier. Wouldn’t they have had at least some blood on them? We’re supposed to believe this guy with a 130 IQ never watched a police procedural? I’m not saying it’s a government thing, I’m just saying that it stinks, and makes no sense.
What radicalized him? The mindset that led him to do this is mainstream, as evidenced by the amount of support he's receiving. He didn't need to find some dark, obscure corner of the internet to inspire this crime.
He just needed to hang out among left-wing people.
I do not doubt that “empathy” is somewhere mixed in. There is a book titled “Toxic Empathy” which expounds on this very subject in the light (actually darkness) of the evil and anti-Christian progressive agenda. Our society is awash in the destructive idea that empathy is compassion, virtue, and /or love. Empathy means to be in the (sorry gotta use the F-word) feelings of. Doing the right thing is often going against are feelings or helping others to fight their feelings and doing the virtuous and painful thing.
I'm still not convinced this guy is the killer. Too simple, too pat, and the media already knows too much. We already know the MSM doesn't investigate anything - they await instructions from a government agency or agencies on how to report something. The fact that they're all repeating the exact same story, in nearly the exact words raises my suspicions. Big time.
First of all, I don't see where Mangione has a sufficient personal motive to commit a homicide. His ridiculous "manifesto" is the kind of hackneyed crap someone would make up and was probably not even written by him. The narrative about a crazy person acting alone simply doesn't cut it with me any more, patricularly where the target was about to get busted and probably knew a lot about plenty of folks who would want him silenced. Nor do I believe that anyone in their right mind would hire him as an assassin - unless they were planning to kill him before he talked to the authorities. And the video is far from probative. The killer's face isn't shown, and his gun-handling (and marksmanship) is far from amateurish, despite what "experts" are saying. Then there's the matter of the red herring evidence at the scene, and Mangione appearing in public and practically asking to get caught, all the while hanging on to the apparent murder weapon.
Who told you? The media? They are very honest with the people. So are the FBI. The investigation into insider trading probably has nothing to do with this. Nor the threats he was receiving prior
Oh I am WITH you on being skeptical always. Had just heard that news on fingerprints and saw the Danno post so just added to it. I don't believe anything lol
Good time to remind the world about your excellent book: Tell Your Children: The Truth about Marijuana, Mental Illness & Violence. I've purchased and given away a few copies of it!
The assassin in the captured video exhibits training, physicality, steely attention and precision aim far beyond a good athlete, and certainly well beyond someone wracked with pain, stress, and with pins in his spine.
I wouldn't say "no evidence, whatsoever" because the murderer did post positively about them. Alex was careful NOT to say they contributed, but they were discussed in his own history. (Also, I think you mis-used "much less" because "contributed" is lesser than "occurred", so there's that)
It is possible for someone to use cannabis and psilocybin, in which case use would have occurred, even though it had no causal connection with the event we are concerned with. If the use actually had some causal connection to someone's actions, then it would have contributed, and not merely occurred. Hence, "contributed" is a more significant assertion and "occurred" is a lesser assertion. Alex implies not merely that, apparently because the accused mentioned them in his history, the accused used the substances, which is not shown to have occurred contemporaneous with the event, and, also, that the assumed use had some causal connection with the event. The accused may have also been a Tik Tok user. That doesn't establish a causal connection.
Alex, buddy, let’s just go ahead and keep using ‘alleged’ instead of relegating that crucial detail to the (only) footnotes. I’m not defending the crime, but I have serious misgivings about the link between the crime and the suspect in custody.
It would be insightful given his age to know a chronological listing of all the medications he was given from the childhood injection schedule which as most of us know here is through the roof in # by age 17, any used medications in youth for whatever he was dealing with mentally or physically. I know far too many people who discount or are in flat out denial just how deep they have lived in the Pharma slippery bowl seemingly most of their lives and then WONDER why they have such mental and physical issues. Just sayin...
My vote is on steroid over-use for back pain plus the street drugs. Steriods routinely produce "homicidal ideation" with many patients although rarely acted upon. These patients may not confess this to a PCP out of embarrassment, but they sure talk about it in pain management therapy. Homicidal ideation is quite common with steroid use. MDs should ASK gently of ALL patients if this is happening. This should be standard protocol in clinic. It's not. MDs say, "So, how's that steroid helping your back?" And the patient says, "It helps." The patient does not ever say, "It helps but I sure spend a lot of time writing plans in a little notebook about how to take out my crappy neighbor. What's up with that?" He could have developed significant and overpowering ideation with street drugs pushing him to the final stage of making it happen. Steroids are very, very powerful pharmaceuticals. Prednisone. Zombie brain. Extreme anger. I would be following the medicine instead of the money. Who prescribed all this? Who monitored his levels? Who continued to write scripts?
This idiot kid suffered from delusion that he was so smart - he even claimed the planning was elementary in his minifesto. Nope, just another hyper ego young guy that's been told he's the chosen one for too many years, thinking he's so amazing that he can take another's life and disappear...then he forgets to trim those eyebrows that got him busted! Classic elitist narcissist syndrome.
Maybe the real problem is our elite universities pump out graduates with six figure debts for degrees that will never get them enough money to pay the debt off?
I'd argue that higher education has a more predatory business model than the health insurance industry. Although both are seriously corrupt.
There's no excuse for the behavior of people who are celebrating this man's death.
Should we start assassinating deans?
Ask Taylor Lorenz
I don't think Luigi's even the assassin. The motives seem too 'pat' and the MSM too well informed. I'd speculate that he's a distraction.
It'll be interesting to find out all the details. It seems strange that's for sure.
Sometimes things are as they appear. No need to make it more complex than what it looks like. No conspiracies needed.
A Lee Harvey style “patsy”?
Hmmm.
Dat be a bit o stretch me thinks.
The murder’s on camera no?
Or is that fake too?
Perhaps Gardner’s theory tying it to university indoctrination has merit?
Since Berenson ends the piece in guess work, anything goes I suppose.
What puzzles me is this kid, presumably having never harmed a soul, executing a fellow human in cold blood, initiating the murder with a shot in the back and thereafter pumping a few more rounds into the downed man for good measure. So very few among us possesses such callous disregard for life. Any life.
Was he the sort of child prone to torturing small animals while leering? Maybe? But I doubt it.
Or perhaps, he became a True Believer, as Gardener suggests, and so acted accordingly?
I heard this comment before, but a distraction for what at this point?
He seems closer to being a "trust fund" baby and certainly could have been on his parents insurance till age 26? Perhaps overtreated because he was wealthy.
He's basically Baltimore aristocracy.
But that's not the point. I just think there's a lot of young people that are totally disillusioned coming out of schools that have "ripped" them off whether they had families that could pay for it or not. For example: there are 10X the amount of "administrators" at my alma mater now than there was when I graduated in 93'. The professor are no longer there to teach, and the admins couldn't care less about the kids - they care about their sinecures.
There's a case to be made that the more one pays for education these days, the less value it represents.
No doubt. It's a big scam and we Americans allowed this to happen. Shameful.
Being a FLY on the wall of his youth would be insightful for sure. Just what was his formative years like within the home and outside the family home. Those years are TELLING!
Mangione got his money's worth from Penn. He studied computer science so wasn't marinated in hate and he also graduated with a degree he could profitably use. Alex may be right that drugs played a role in Mangione's (alleged) descent into madness, but paranoid schizophrenia still seems likely to me. He is the right age and fits the profile (high-functioning, often very intelligent). His somatic symptoms (physical complaints) are also characteristic of schizophrenia. Paranoid schizophrenia can produce obsessive compulsive behavior with elaborate plots that include stalking victims and killing them. The whole situation feels insane, which is usually a clue that it is.
Why do we know more about this loser than both of the would-be Trump assassins combined? Just wondering.
Damn fine question
One wonders about SSRIs too.
I think SSRIs have been implicated in a number of the school shootings. Of course in our society today, so many people use SSRIs that its the odds of a gun-wielding killer using them are good.
Forget the SSRIs. I don't even think Luigi's the assassin. It's all too pat, too simple, and the whole MSM is running with the usual lockstep narratives. We can be pretty sure if they all say the same thing, it's a lie. Frankly I'm not buying the "Insane person, acting alone" garbage ever since the Warren Commission coverup. Nor can I imagine he was a hired gun (or he'd be dead by now). Thompson was under investigation, and was most likely targeted by someone with a lot to lose if he squealed. So they silenced him. I posted a longer explanation below (I think I was the 29th commenter or so.)
This this this. All day long. He’s likely the Lee Harvey Oswald of our time. I’ve seen people say “oh he’s 100% guilty”. I’m like “based upon what? What the media told you”. Seriously to trust anything the FBI and media tells us at this point is plain dumb
I totally agree.
Interesting. Do you know what he was under investigation for? As a JFK assassination skeptic, I should have been more alert to that. Good call!
Or pot that's 20X stronger than when we were growing up
I could qualify for a medical card here in the Sunshine state but back in the 70's in the Bay area I did a lot of pot until my wife, and I split then it took me a couple of days to realize the downside of it when things were not going well. Never tried it again and not going to now. Cause with my old age health issues it would not end well.
As I briefly mentioned yesterday, I have a 23 yo son who spent March 2023 to May 2024 attempting to "cure" his debilitating OCD with marijuana and psilocybin use. Conventional treatment (combination of SSRI's, therapy, oh and let's throw ADHD legal meth in there as well) had proven to be ineffective. I have stories that could make your hair curl. It was a nightmare, he was OFF THE RAILS for a year. I didn't see him for over a year but the texts and video messages were crazy. Finally he figured out his method was not the answer and he stopped all drug use and moved back home in July 2024. He is still very disabled but is slowly becoming the person he was before this nightmare. The only reason he got off the Vyvanse (legal meth) was because his sister and I wrote letters to his primary care provider, who was using video visits, stating how his was circling the drain and she discontinued prescribing. Pot and 'shrooms are no joke.
I cannot begin to imagine how difficult this is for you, but what a big battle to win! That your son had the strength and awareness to walk away from those drugs is a reflection of your own strength in fighting for him.
Thank you for sharing this. It may be the only way to open eyes.
Whenever anyone says "pot is harmless, alcohol is worse" my response is "let me tell you a story." I believe he truly thought those substances would help him and he did get relief from his obsessive thoughts but it was never the permanent fix he thought it would be. His is on the autism spectrum so that is an added complication. Thank you for your kind words.
Carrying the backpack at the time of the alleged murder, and also at the time of his arrest..... If his back was as bad as some are trying to portray it, he would not have had that large a backpack on him, seemingly at all times. Talk to those who have real back issues.
This entire scenario is all too neatly packaged, so it smells staged and planted. I suspect it is merely to distract us from something else going on, such as the groundwork for that new plandemic Dr. Hotez has bragged will arrive on January 21, or some global event we should remain out of, but we are not, hence spending more billions of taxpayer funds in the name of "Foreign Aid", i.e.: money laundering.
I’m leaning this way too... it’s like a poorly written made for TV movie plot. If this guy was as smart as he’s supposed to be, why did he still have the murder weapon on him? Why had he made no attempt to disguise himself other than a beanie? Why was he so close to NYC? And, if I’m not mistaken, he was wearing the same clothes from five days earlier. Wouldn’t they have had at least some blood on them? We’re supposed to believe this guy with a 130 IQ never watched a police procedural? I’m not saying it’s a government thing, I’m just saying that it stinks, and makes no sense.
I'll be shocked if it was "staged and planted."
It is as it appears. An evil act carried out by a "progressive" leftist who was arrogant (no surprise).
What radicalized him? The mindset that led him to do this is mainstream, as evidenced by the amount of support he's receiving. He didn't need to find some dark, obscure corner of the internet to inspire this crime.
He just needed to hang out among left-wing people.
When you only have "empathy" for one "cause" then you lose empathy for everything else...including other humans.
Empathy gone haywire. The Left preys on this for those in power to keep it.
I do not doubt that “empathy” is somewhere mixed in. There is a book titled “Toxic Empathy” which expounds on this very subject in the light (actually darkness) of the evil and anti-Christian progressive agenda. Our society is awash in the destructive idea that empathy is compassion, virtue, and /or love. Empathy means to be in the (sorry gotta use the F-word) feelings of. Doing the right thing is often going against are feelings or helping others to fight their feelings and doing the virtuous and painful thing.
Very well said
Funny how the anti gun lefties who cheer his attack on corporate greed are strangely silent.
You KNOW if this was a staunch conservative shooter it would be HUGELY pushed in narrative
"Anti-gun lefties"? Are there any other kind?
I'm still not convinced this guy is the killer. Too simple, too pat, and the media already knows too much. We already know the MSM doesn't investigate anything - they await instructions from a government agency or agencies on how to report something. The fact that they're all repeating the exact same story, in nearly the exact words raises my suspicions. Big time.
First of all, I don't see where Mangione has a sufficient personal motive to commit a homicide. His ridiculous "manifesto" is the kind of hackneyed crap someone would make up and was probably not even written by him. The narrative about a crazy person acting alone simply doesn't cut it with me any more, patricularly where the target was about to get busted and probably knew a lot about plenty of folks who would want him silenced. Nor do I believe that anyone in their right mind would hire him as an assassin - unless they were planning to kill him before he talked to the authorities. And the video is far from probative. The killer's face isn't shown, and his gun-handling (and marksmanship) is far from amateurish, despite what "experts" are saying. Then there's the matter of the red herring evidence at the scene, and Mangione appearing in public and practically asking to get caught, all the while hanging on to the apparent murder weapon.
Interesting fingerprint data links Mangione to the Starbuck water bottle now and the bullet casings or SO we are told :)
Who told you? The media? They are very honest with the people. So are the FBI. The investigation into insider trading probably has nothing to do with this. Nor the threats he was receiving prior
Oh I am WITH you on being skeptical always. Had just heard that news on fingerprints and saw the Danno post so just added to it. I don't believe anything lol
Basically the same thing I said on another comment, but you said it better.
Good time to remind the world about your excellent book: Tell Your Children: The Truth about Marijuana, Mental Illness & Violence. I've purchased and given away a few copies of it!
The assassin in the captured video exhibits training, physicality, steely attention and precision aim far beyond a good athlete, and certainly well beyond someone wracked with pain, stress, and with pins in his spine.
Dude, you have no evidence, whatsoever that cannabis or psilocybin use even occurred here, much less contributed to this. Don't be like that!
I wouldn't say "no evidence, whatsoever" because the murderer did post positively about them. Alex was careful NOT to say they contributed, but they were discussed in his own history. (Also, I think you mis-used "much less" because "contributed" is lesser than "occurred", so there's that)
It is possible for someone to use cannabis and psilocybin, in which case use would have occurred, even though it had no causal connection with the event we are concerned with. If the use actually had some causal connection to someone's actions, then it would have contributed, and not merely occurred. Hence, "contributed" is a more significant assertion and "occurred" is a lesser assertion. Alex implies not merely that, apparently because the accused mentioned them in his history, the accused used the substances, which is not shown to have occurred contemporaneous with the event, and, also, that the assumed use had some causal connection with the event. The accused may have also been a Tik Tok user. That doesn't establish a causal connection.
You have no evidence except what the media told you that he’s the killer.
When you have a hammer …
Alex, buddy, let’s just go ahead and keep using ‘alleged’ instead of relegating that crucial detail to the (only) footnotes. I’m not defending the crime, but I have serious misgivings about the link between the crime and the suspect in custody.
It would be insightful given his age to know a chronological listing of all the medications he was given from the childhood injection schedule which as most of us know here is through the roof in # by age 17, any used medications in youth for whatever he was dealing with mentally or physically. I know far too many people who discount or are in flat out denial just how deep they have lived in the Pharma slippery bowl seemingly most of their lives and then WONDER why they have such mental and physical issues. Just sayin...
My vote is on steroid over-use for back pain plus the street drugs. Steriods routinely produce "homicidal ideation" with many patients although rarely acted upon. These patients may not confess this to a PCP out of embarrassment, but they sure talk about it in pain management therapy. Homicidal ideation is quite common with steroid use. MDs should ASK gently of ALL patients if this is happening. This should be standard protocol in clinic. It's not. MDs say, "So, how's that steroid helping your back?" And the patient says, "It helps." The patient does not ever say, "It helps but I sure spend a lot of time writing plans in a little notebook about how to take out my crappy neighbor. What's up with that?" He could have developed significant and overpowering ideation with street drugs pushing him to the final stage of making it happen. Steroids are very, very powerful pharmaceuticals. Prednisone. Zombie brain. Extreme anger. I would be following the medicine instead of the money. Who prescribed all this? Who monitored his levels? Who continued to write scripts?
maybe he's just an asshole
Someone who wanted to be SEEN and KNOWN. Make a statement. He just has vanity written all over him
this is part of it for sure
This idiot kid suffered from delusion that he was so smart - he even claimed the planning was elementary in his minifesto. Nope, just another hyper ego young guy that's been told he's the chosen one for too many years, thinking he's so amazing that he can take another's life and disappear...then he forgets to trim those eyebrows that got him busted! Classic elitist narcissist syndrome.
100%
Very plausibly CORRECT!