At the risk of redundancy because I have posted this previously, I am 79 and never took the Covid shot and only once had a flu shot--the year our middle grandson was born with serious heart defects--and doctors said we could not be around him unless we were protected. By the way, he is going to be 21 and has been perfectly healthy since he had open heart surgery at the age of eight months. I have watched friends and family members who religiously get all the shots the doctors recommend--some are still getting Covid shots--get sick time and time again while my husband, who is 80, and I, just keep chugging along. So I guess my bottom line is that there are some situations where we need doctors such as our grandson's surgery, but for the most part, I just want them to leave me alone--especially at my age.
I am in my 70s and am very much like Ms. Larsen. I have had only one flu shot in my life, yet I have not had the flu for over 60 years. My wife swears the flu shots give her the flu.
I'll be 62 in May. I haven't been to a doctor since 2022 when I fell off my horse and broke 6 ribs. I think they do more harm than good now. My husband is diabetic(type II)--by his own hand--he cannot put down the sweets. He goes fairly regularly and, as a veterinarian, I have to constantly adjust things and question the idiocy of some of his doctors. There is no one doctor in control of his entire file....so it's this one contradicts that one on and on.
Totally agree. When I was in my 60s I had cancer eight times. I listened to some of the medical experts recommendations; others I took a pass because the side effects were not something I was willing to tolerate. I have been cancer free since 2014. After the regular cancer check-ups were canceled because of Covid, I decided that I didn't need them after all and have not seen a doctor for five years. If anyone asks, I tell them I am on "healthy hospice."
You are so close to seeing the truth, but for some reason it evades you, Alex. Two reasons for this:
1. The manufacturers of the shot get complete liability protection.
2. Money: Manufacturers make a ton, a small part of which is used to payoff the so-called regulators. Even backdoor payoffs, such as lucrative jobs after government service, are sufficient to make the system completely corrupt.
The closest you come is when you write "Pushing them on healthy kids benefits no one except the companies that make them." Yes, the benefits are counted in the billions (of dollars), combined with the complete lack of responsibility or liability for any harms.
But but but. You forgot. Big pharma advertises like crazy on every so called news station. Those stations give free political support to politicians who pass bills purchasing billions of dollars of vaccines and liability protection. And the cycle goes on and on and on...!
I'm a little surprised at this post. Mr. Berenson seems to believe "public health experts" are interested in data. By now it is obvious to nearly everyone who has bothered to investigate that public experts work for the pharmaceutical interests, and their jobs have nothing to do with advancing public health. Being a public health expert is indeed a complete oxymoron. Data exist for them to be massaged to conform to the sales goals of big pharma. Data disconfirming pharma products must be discounted, ignored, or retracted from journals. Such is the relationship between public health mercenaries and the data.
People who die from the flu or Covid have underlying conditions that will get them sooner or later if not treated. Lose weight, eat healthy and walk every day. You’ll survive most diseases until it’s officially your time. But it’s like GLP 1’s…we want the easy way out which definitely doesn’t exist for respiratory viruses.
Ya, that is exactly right. Many people, maybe most, still believe a pill can solve all their problems. Whatever happened to personal responsibility? I mean the one thing we all have is our lives. You would think people would want to take very good care of their life. Go figure.
An excellent question Alex. Another good one is why Flu Vaccines for anyone, especially the elderly if I understand this 2005 study's conclusions. I'm probably missing an important caveat because you would have known about this, but if not then it's ridiculous how every news report of flu season is followed by the admonishment to get the shot, especially if you're elderly. (for those not inclined to click links this is from the JAMA and it was a study that intended to prove the efficacy of the flu vaccine for elderly patients, but it ended up showing zero improvement in outcomes) https://web.archive.org/web/20220318224713/https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/486407
Vaccines are a religion of “trust the science” and we saw how powerful “science” can get just six years ago in the pandemic. There’s so much history and propaganda and financial incentive and coverup with vaccines that you have to see all pieces to see the whole picture.
Wrote about it all here in this guide on vaccine harm and the hundred year cover up starting with earlier vaccines like polio and tying it to SIDS.
I don’t “trust the science”. What I do trust is: follow the money. Vaccines are being pushed to cram more money into the hands of the pharma companies and the Vaccine-Industrial Complex.
As Ra’z Al Ghul tells Bruce Wayne, the criminal is not complicated. The Left wants to kill as many people as they can and keep the spoils for themselves and frankly, they hate children because children take away attention and alleged need from very despicable, diseased, demented children in adult bodies.
I would say that it's a marker of political views (the more leftward one's politics, the more one tends to believe in flu shots and covid boosters), except that we have conservative friends who religiously get flu shots and covid boosters and just as regularly end up getting the flu and covid, nearly every year. My husband and I don't get flu shots because we wash our hands and keep them away from our faces to minimize transmission of whatever is going around, and neither one of us has gotten the flu. (I can't even remember when I last got the flu — maybe in college? — and we've got 4 grandkids now.) And while I took the covid "vaccines" under protest (our Democrat governor kept us locked down otherwise), I ended up with four vaccine injuries/significant side effects and after that refused to get a booster, nor have I ever taken a covid test (why? if I feel unwell, I'd stay at home until I felt better, just as I would with any other bug). Like Karen Larsen, below, just leave us alone and let us make our own decisions.
Why do you think the covid shots are not being pushed on kids? I'm an elementary teacher and many of my children get covid, RSV and flu shots. Some parents report happily that some pediatricians are not seeing patients if they don't participate. Many parents have no idea how insidious this is. They trust their doctors. Honestly, at this point, I'm sick of kids leaving the class to get shots and then come right back and shed away to everyone else in the building. You'll never convince many of us that this is not a "thing". We work in it year after year.
The "public" "health" industrial complex has succeeded at three things.
1. It has generated enormous profits to makers of marginally effective prophylactic shots (not true vaccines) that occasionally reduce symptoms without reducing infection.
2. It has injected artificial stimulants into the natural immune system of hundreds of millions of children with zero longitudinal study of the results but plenty of correlation data, such as reduced sperm counts and increasing colo-rectal cancer.
3. It has systematically destroyed its credibility from the heady days of the Salk vaccine to the near-shaman status of zero respect it now enjoys.
You see it for Covid shots. You see it for flu shots. How do you not see it for HPV shots (and others)? You think for those all of the studies are not just as compromised? all of the incentives are not just as perverse?
Per the Public Health Policy Journal - a study that shows a 27% NEGATIVE efficacy for flu shots. In other words, those who got the shot in the study were 27% MORE LIKELY to come down with the flu vs those who didn't get the shot.
The only possible reason to keep pushing the flu shot is the almighty dollar. With a desire for depopulation coming in at a close second place, since they push the shot on elderly people who tend to cost the system (Medicare) more than younger people. An elderly person being more likely to get the flu would be a plus, if those folks ended up dying earlier than they otherwise would have.
Yes, during covid, old interview of Fauci said reason vaxes take so long as some result in pathogenic priming (I think that was the term he used), meaning vax makes you MORE likely to get it so vax needs work so doesn't do that.
At the risk of redundancy because I have posted this previously, I am 79 and never took the Covid shot and only once had a flu shot--the year our middle grandson was born with serious heart defects--and doctors said we could not be around him unless we were protected. By the way, he is going to be 21 and has been perfectly healthy since he had open heart surgery at the age of eight months. I have watched friends and family members who religiously get all the shots the doctors recommend--some are still getting Covid shots--get sick time and time again while my husband, who is 80, and I, just keep chugging along. So I guess my bottom line is that there are some situations where we need doctors such as our grandson's surgery, but for the most part, I just want them to leave me alone--especially at my age.
I am in my 70s and am very much like Ms. Larsen. I have had only one flu shot in my life, yet I have not had the flu for over 60 years. My wife swears the flu shots give her the flu.
I think they do!
Worst flu I ever had was after a flu shot.
Sorry to hear that, but I'm not surprised.
I'll be 62 in May. I haven't been to a doctor since 2022 when I fell off my horse and broke 6 ribs. I think they do more harm than good now. My husband is diabetic(type II)--by his own hand--he cannot put down the sweets. He goes fairly regularly and, as a veterinarian, I have to constantly adjust things and question the idiocy of some of his doctors. There is no one doctor in control of his entire file....so it's this one contradicts that one on and on.
Totally agree. When I was in my 60s I had cancer eight times. I listened to some of the medical experts recommendations; others I took a pass because the side effects were not something I was willing to tolerate. I have been cancer free since 2014. After the regular cancer check-ups were canceled because of Covid, I decided that I didn't need them after all and have not seen a doctor for five years. If anyone asks, I tell them I am on "healthy hospice."
You are so close to seeing the truth, but for some reason it evades you, Alex. Two reasons for this:
1. The manufacturers of the shot get complete liability protection.
2. Money: Manufacturers make a ton, a small part of which is used to payoff the so-called regulators. Even backdoor payoffs, such as lucrative jobs after government service, are sufficient to make the system completely corrupt.
The closest you come is when you write "Pushing them on healthy kids benefits no one except the companies that make them." Yes, the benefits are counted in the billions (of dollars), combined with the complete lack of responsibility or liability for any harms.
Nailed it.
But but but. You forgot. Big pharma advertises like crazy on every so called news station. Those stations give free political support to politicians who pass bills purchasing billions of dollars of vaccines and liability protection. And the cycle goes on and on and on...!
One word: Kickback.
Two words: "Regulatory capture."
I'm a little surprised at this post. Mr. Berenson seems to believe "public health experts" are interested in data. By now it is obvious to nearly everyone who has bothered to investigate that public experts work for the pharmaceutical interests, and their jobs have nothing to do with advancing public health. Being a public health expert is indeed a complete oxymoron. Data exist for them to be massaged to conform to the sales goals of big pharma. Data disconfirming pharma products must be discounted, ignored, or retracted from journals. Such is the relationship between public health mercenaries and the data.
Exactly so.
Then they ARE interested in data, as long as it serves their purpose.
People who die from the flu or Covid have underlying conditions that will get them sooner or later if not treated. Lose weight, eat healthy and walk every day. You’ll survive most diseases until it’s officially your time. But it’s like GLP 1’s…we want the easy way out which definitely doesn’t exist for respiratory viruses.
Ya, that is exactly right. Many people, maybe most, still believe a pill can solve all their problems. Whatever happened to personal responsibility? I mean the one thing we all have is our lives. You would think people would want to take very good care of their life. Go figure.
An excellent question Alex. Another good one is why Flu Vaccines for anyone, especially the elderly if I understand this 2005 study's conclusions. I'm probably missing an important caveat because you would have known about this, but if not then it's ridiculous how every news report of flu season is followed by the admonishment to get the shot, especially if you're elderly. (for those not inclined to click links this is from the JAMA and it was a study that intended to prove the efficacy of the flu vaccine for elderly patients, but it ended up showing zero improvement in outcomes) https://web.archive.org/web/20220318224713/https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/486407
Vaccines are a religion of “trust the science” and we saw how powerful “science” can get just six years ago in the pandemic. There’s so much history and propaganda and financial incentive and coverup with vaccines that you have to see all pieces to see the whole picture.
Wrote about it all here in this guide on vaccine harm and the hundred year cover up starting with earlier vaccines like polio and tying it to SIDS.
Fascinating resource if anyone’s interested: https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/the-complete-vaccine-harm-profile
I don’t “trust the science”. What I do trust is: follow the money. Vaccines are being pushed to cram more money into the hands of the pharma companies and the Vaccine-Industrial Complex.
some of which finds its way into the campaign coffers of corrupt politicians. Corrupt politicians ... that seems redundant.
You nailed it 100% accurate and on point
I would love to see a study correlating vitamin D levels with catching the flu. Of course, since there isn’t much money involved, I will never see it.
Check our Dr. John Campbell's You Tube channel.
same reason why they push HPV and HepB...immune system capture.
unsafe and ineffective.
Depopulation, Mr. Berenson.
As Ra’z Al Ghul tells Bruce Wayne, the criminal is not complicated. The Left wants to kill as many people as they can and keep the spoils for themselves and frankly, they hate children because children take away attention and alleged need from very despicable, diseased, demented children in adult bodies.
Hey, just my opinion, I could be wrong…
I would say that it's a marker of political views (the more leftward one's politics, the more one tends to believe in flu shots and covid boosters), except that we have conservative friends who religiously get flu shots and covid boosters and just as regularly end up getting the flu and covid, nearly every year. My husband and I don't get flu shots because we wash our hands and keep them away from our faces to minimize transmission of whatever is going around, and neither one of us has gotten the flu. (I can't even remember when I last got the flu — maybe in college? — and we've got 4 grandkids now.) And while I took the covid "vaccines" under protest (our Democrat governor kept us locked down otherwise), I ended up with four vaccine injuries/significant side effects and after that refused to get a booster, nor have I ever taken a covid test (why? if I feel unwell, I'd stay at home until I felt better, just as I would with any other bug). Like Karen Larsen, below, just leave us alone and let us make our own decisions.
Why do you think the covid shots are not being pushed on kids? I'm an elementary teacher and many of my children get covid, RSV and flu shots. Some parents report happily that some pediatricians are not seeing patients if they don't participate. Many parents have no idea how insidious this is. They trust their doctors. Honestly, at this point, I'm sick of kids leaving the class to get shots and then come right back and shed away to everyone else in the building. You'll never convince many of us that this is not a "thing". We work in it year after year.
The "public" "health" industrial complex has succeeded at three things.
1. It has generated enormous profits to makers of marginally effective prophylactic shots (not true vaccines) that occasionally reduce symptoms without reducing infection.
2. It has injected artificial stimulants into the natural immune system of hundreds of millions of children with zero longitudinal study of the results but plenty of correlation data, such as reduced sperm counts and increasing colo-rectal cancer.
3. It has systematically destroyed its credibility from the heady days of the Salk vaccine to the near-shaman status of zero respect it now enjoys.
You see it for Covid shots. You see it for flu shots. How do you not see it for HPV shots (and others)? You think for those all of the studies are not just as compromised? all of the incentives are not just as perverse?
Do public health bureaucrats get money from big pharma? Do they ever get higher paying positions with big pharma?
yep, they do
Per the Public Health Policy Journal - a study that shows a 27% NEGATIVE efficacy for flu shots. In other words, those who got the shot in the study were 27% MORE LIKELY to come down with the flu vs those who didn't get the shot.
https://publichealthpolicyjournal.com/new-study-flu-vaccination-linked-to-27-increased-risk-of-flu/
The only possible reason to keep pushing the flu shot is the almighty dollar. With a desire for depopulation coming in at a close second place, since they push the shot on elderly people who tend to cost the system (Medicare) more than younger people. An elderly person being more likely to get the flu would be a plus, if those folks ended up dying earlier than they otherwise would have.
Yes, during covid, old interview of Fauci said reason vaxes take so long as some result in pathogenic priming (I think that was the term he used), meaning vax makes you MORE likely to get it so vax needs work so doesn't do that.