I had measles when I was six years old. All my friends had measles. All my classmates had measles. There was not even one child in the entire school who didn't experience it. It was a NORMAL childhood disease. I am now chronologically old--rarely sick, never got COVID, still work full time, and am on no meds...except the regimen of vitamins and minerals I have taken since reading Adele Davis in the 1970s. My point--getting sick as a child builds the immune system. Measles, for nearly all children, is not serious and easily managed. Vaccines have risks. They may not even work. And they definitely should NOT be routine. It's time to rethink "the schedule." And end it.
Agreed. And I had mumps and chicken pox as well. I never get sick. I've not gotten the shingles vaccine given my distrust of all things vaccine after the COVID hullabaloo.
Oh Karen, I felt the exact same way as you, and I, too, get sick so infrequently . . . except that I am recovering from shingles right now. I rolled the dice on the shingles vax and lost. It is about the worst thing I've ever gone through. The only good thing about it? I had a vaginal ultrasound and an abdominal CT trying to determine the reason for the debilitating pain and all my organs are healthy! A day later the lesions appeared and I knew it was shingles. I had it confirmed by a dermatologist and I started on antivirals right away. My resistance must have been low. I had developed a vision issue (will have a vitrectomy next week) a week before, but I didn't think my stress level was all that high. This is a scourge only Satan could have belched up. I hope it avoids you!
Thank you very much, Karen. My mom had it decades ago, too, before there was a vaccine or antivirals. She had an immensely high threshold for pain and it laid her out.
Basically, every single person alive today who was born before 1963 had and survived the measles. And most likely mumps, rubella (German measles), and chicken pox.
All of the above, which I had in a period of about 3 or 4 years when I started school. Measles was first, followed by the others. No vaccines then ( mid 1950s). Everyone expected these infections once the school year began. The first "vaccination" I ever got was for polio, not sure which year, but it was on a sugar cube and wasn't an injection.
“Shouldn’t the legacy media do everything possible to make parents aware of those risks, even at the costs of scaring them? Well, no. Frightening parents about extremely low risks is both bad journalism and bad public policy. In truth, kids are at far higher risk from drowning, or abusive parents, or car accidents than measles.” — this is the formula. Drama and horror sells, so keep it going.
The honest truth is that deaths from measles, mumps and other diseases were practically eradicated with sanitation and this is a fact RFK called out here and I fact-checked here:
Personal experience. My mother "quaranteened" me from the rest of the family (my room, door closed, windows open but curtains closed (to protect my eyes from sunlight. Back then it was believed measles patient's eyes exposed to sunlight risked vision damage ).. No one else caught the measles The preventive sanitation which was normal practice in homes back then works. There are now 3 more generations in our family ... for us, it's common sense.
Measles can sometimes cause blindness. I think it’s the combination of vitamin A deficiency and bright light that causes blindness. Sufficient vitamin A dramatically reduces the risk.
Thank you Erik. Funny, I haven't heard this mentioned in all the noise about measles. We also don't hear the clarification on "types" of measles . German, 3 day measles etc. Each has it's own baggage that bears unpacking.
Does "Science" even know if these older vaccines last your entire life like the MSM tries to tell us? My point being is I doubt they do and it is much more likely that our modern cleanliness and health standards are what really help us fight off these diseases and viruses.
They now recommend or mandate boosters for 5 yr olds on entering school, in spite of having the full course of vaccines as infants/toddlers. And after "measles outbreaks" in colleges some years ago, colleges now often require a measles booster in order to attend classes. Why? Because so many "fully vaccinated" children and young adults were still catching and spreading measles. The claim that the vaccines confer full immunity to the disease that lasts a lifetime has been proven false.
Thanks Rebecca. There is a difference between "fully vaccinated" and "total immunity" . (Spin meisters are quite honestly the biggest disease threatening humanity)
I have long railed against the mandated bolus vacinnations of young babies; I find it bordering on mal practice. (you know the "do no harm" thing)
The vacinnes for Polio, Malaria, and other truly high mortality illnesses work and have been blessings for all of us. So I'm not anti vacinne; I'm anti mob mentality dispensing .
This is exactly the kind of reporting that I subscribe for - as opposed to the political articles. Articles like this are the only way we can develop an idea of what's real and what's pharma/government propaganda.
As a retired pediatrician, I want to commend Alex for a supremely appropriate piece on SSPE. In my 40+ years of practice I never saw or heard of a case in the children's hospitals in which I worked. Further evidence that the NYT is a sadly irresponsible and pathetic excuse for a newspaper.
Alex, you wrote "But it does mean they (parents) have the right to demand that the measles vaccine - like other vaccines for healthy children - come with extremely low risk of serious side effects."
How exactly do parents demand THAT? We have RFK in charge and we can't even take the very small step of removing the COVID jab as an option for healthy young people.
The only way this gets better is for congress to remove vaccine liability so the industry can be policed the old-fashioned way, through law suits.
The one thing wrong about this is the sentence, "And its risks are well understood." No they are not. Without a blind RCT against a saline placebo (with a legitimate sample size and a lengthy test period) they CANNOT be well understood and those tests have not been done. Yes, there clearly is a very small chance of something horrible happening to a child that gets measles, but we are talking about a one in a million chance. The vaccine (likely) has a greater chance to do harm.
The risks are NEVER going to be "well understood," and that's at the heart of the problem. Assume hypothetically it turns out, 40 years from now, that adults who had the 16-vacccinations-before first grade had an incidence of pancreatic cancer of 1 in 5,000 but those who were never vaccinated against anything had an incidence of only 1 in 15,000? Do you think anybody would ever figure that out? And if someone did, but we had to wait 40 years to learn it, would it do us much good in the here and now?
I agree. Which is why we need vaccine trials of at least 10 years before giving them to the public (although we should continue to look at the data post that time). End of day we are injecting healthy children against diseases that don’t have high risks of getting them.
The risks from a measles infection are quite low. But if the risks from the vaccine are even lower then it's fine to encourage vaccination. This was not the case AT ALL with covid. When our Public Health machine knowingly disseminated incorrect assessments of risks from both the virus and the vaccine it lost all credibility on everything. Fauci and Collins should be prosecuted.
I had measles, chicken pox and mono. I got covid four months before it had a name and obviously still here to talk about it.
We know that this hysteria is coming from the climate change " the earth will be gone in 12 years" twelve years ago morons. And let's not forget Big Pharma!
Aw, Alex, you rained on their parade! They were so hoping to terrify us into rushing out and injecting ourselves with MMR poison. Now you've gone and ruined the whole scheme. What a party pooper!
Good article, Alex. Once again, I highly encourage and recommend Aaron Siri’s book, Vaccines Amen. In it he talks about, and shows with graphs, how, for many childhood vaccines, the incidence of the disease was already dropping due to improvements in sanitation and other reasons, or had already dropped significantly, right before the vaccine was introduced. Oftentimes, the pharmaceutical companies and those trying to demonstrate effectiveness of vaccines use a range that includes a time period before vaccination was a regular occurrence to the current day to boost their numbers and make their claims look even better. For anyone interested in this topic, the book is an excellent reference when these issues arise.
If you support measles vaccines, please show me the double-blind randomized controlled trials that compared the current crop of measles vaccines with a saline placebo. You can't, and that's because there are none.
The current mainstream media is far different from the traditional "legacy media". Even in the Dan Rather years (ok maybe Rather is a crappy example) the old media at least had some semblance of balance. Not much but some. Today's mainstream media from the talkers to the editors have a vision of the USA that simply isnt true. They are the now nothing more than the Goebbles arm of the DNC that has been taken over by the hard left. This group paid no attention to the shortcomings of the Biden administration but look through this prism of deceit and deception for all things more centrist. In short, they too are globalists. They too are looking for "a fundamental change in America" . They too look to assist is the propaganda gatekeepers. None of this is a surprise.
What is shocking is that how many people believe this spoon fed bs and actually accept the narrative as reality.
Alex, do we know if any commonality exists in those 1 in 200,000 kids that dies? Or is it totally random, with zero common characteristics? I keep coming back to this: as Covid undeniably showed, not everyone is at the same risk for a given disease. But nothing in your recent measles articles addresses this. Has the question been asked? Do we even know if the question has been asked?
I had measles when I was six years old. All my friends had measles. All my classmates had measles. There was not even one child in the entire school who didn't experience it. It was a NORMAL childhood disease. I am now chronologically old--rarely sick, never got COVID, still work full time, and am on no meds...except the regimen of vitamins and minerals I have taken since reading Adele Davis in the 1970s. My point--getting sick as a child builds the immune system. Measles, for nearly all children, is not serious and easily managed. Vaccines have risks. They may not even work. And they definitely should NOT be routine. It's time to rethink "the schedule." And end it.
Agreed. And I had mumps and chicken pox as well. I never get sick. I've not gotten the shingles vaccine given my distrust of all things vaccine after the COVID hullabaloo.
Agree 100%
Oh Karen, I felt the exact same way as you, and I, too, get sick so infrequently . . . except that I am recovering from shingles right now. I rolled the dice on the shingles vax and lost. It is about the worst thing I've ever gone through. The only good thing about it? I had a vaginal ultrasound and an abdominal CT trying to determine the reason for the debilitating pain and all my organs are healthy! A day later the lesions appeared and I knew it was shingles. I had it confirmed by a dermatologist and I started on antivirals right away. My resistance must have been low. I had developed a vision issue (will have a vitrectomy next week) a week before, but I didn't think my stress level was all that high. This is a scourge only Satan could have belched up. I hope it avoids you!
I feel for you. My mother used to get them in the 60-70’s and all she could do was suffer for a few days. It was terrible.
I am so sorry you are going through that! I know it's awful - my mom had it twice before the shingles vax was available.
Thank you very much, Karen. My mom had it decades ago, too, before there was a vaccine or antivirals. She had an immensely high threshold for pain and it laid her out.
Basically, every single person alive today who was born before 1963 had and survived the measles. And most likely mumps, rubella (German measles), and chicken pox.
All of the above, which I had in a period of about 3 or 4 years when I started school. Measles was first, followed by the others. No vaccines then ( mid 1950s). Everyone expected these infections once the school year began. The first "vaccination" I ever got was for polio, not sure which year, but it was on a sugar cube and wasn't an injection.
Me too.
Ditto.
“Shouldn’t the legacy media do everything possible to make parents aware of those risks, even at the costs of scaring them? Well, no. Frightening parents about extremely low risks is both bad journalism and bad public policy. In truth, kids are at far higher risk from drowning, or abusive parents, or car accidents than measles.” — this is the formula. Drama and horror sells, so keep it going.
The honest truth is that deaths from measles, mumps and other diseases were practically eradicated with sanitation and this is a fact RFK called out here and I fact-checked here:
https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/measles-outbreak-is-a-call-to-action
https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/how-i-broke-chatgpt-by-asking-about
But again, fear sells, so we have entire industries in the process of selling and making money from fear.
Thanks for your post.
Personal experience. My mother "quaranteened" me from the rest of the family (my room, door closed, windows open but curtains closed (to protect my eyes from sunlight. Back then it was believed measles patient's eyes exposed to sunlight risked vision damage ).. No one else caught the measles The preventive sanitation which was normal practice in homes back then works. There are now 3 more generations in our family ... for us, it's common sense.
Measles can sometimes cause blindness. I think it’s the combination of vitamin A deficiency and bright light that causes blindness. Sufficient vitamin A dramatically reduces the risk.
Thank you Erik. Funny, I haven't heard this mentioned in all the noise about measles. We also don't hear the clarification on "types" of measles . German, 3 day measles etc. Each has it's own baggage that bears unpacking.
Does "Science" even know if these older vaccines last your entire life like the MSM tries to tell us? My point being is I doubt they do and it is much more likely that our modern cleanliness and health standards are what really help us fight off these diseases and viruses.
They now recommend or mandate boosters for 5 yr olds on entering school, in spite of having the full course of vaccines as infants/toddlers. And after "measles outbreaks" in colleges some years ago, colleges now often require a measles booster in order to attend classes. Why? Because so many "fully vaccinated" children and young adults were still catching and spreading measles. The claim that the vaccines confer full immunity to the disease that lasts a lifetime has been proven false.
Thanks Rebecca. There is a difference between "fully vaccinated" and "total immunity" . (Spin meisters are quite honestly the biggest disease threatening humanity)
I have long railed against the mandated bolus vacinnations of young babies; I find it bordering on mal practice. (you know the "do no harm" thing)
The vacinnes for Polio, Malaria, and other truly high mortality illnesses work and have been blessings for all of us. So I'm not anti vacinne; I'm anti mob mentality dispensing .
Just for the record there is no vaccine for malaria!
Yeah I was thinking that too. Maybe they meant yellow fever.
I had the same comment below. I even had chatgpt fact-check this for measles, typhoid, and other diseases that are meant to scare us.
I think the live and modified live vaccines resulted in a better immune response and gave longer lasting protection.
This is exactly the kind of reporting that I subscribe for - as opposed to the political articles. Articles like this are the only way we can develop an idea of what's real and what's pharma/government propaganda.
Thank you Ken! I was going to say the same exact thing!!
As a retired pediatrician, I want to commend Alex for a supremely appropriate piece on SSPE. In my 40+ years of practice I never saw or heard of a case in the children's hospitals in which I worked. Further evidence that the NYT is a sadly irresponsible and pathetic excuse for a newspaper.
Alex, you wrote "But it does mean they (parents) have the right to demand that the measles vaccine - like other vaccines for healthy children - come with extremely low risk of serious side effects."
How exactly do parents demand THAT? We have RFK in charge and we can't even take the very small step of removing the COVID jab as an option for healthy young people.
The only way this gets better is for congress to remove vaccine liability so the industry can be policed the old-fashioned way, through law suits.
The one thing wrong about this is the sentence, "And its risks are well understood." No they are not. Without a blind RCT against a saline placebo (with a legitimate sample size and a lengthy test period) they CANNOT be well understood and those tests have not been done. Yes, there clearly is a very small chance of something horrible happening to a child that gets measles, but we are talking about a one in a million chance. The vaccine (likely) has a greater chance to do harm.
The risks are NEVER going to be "well understood," and that's at the heart of the problem. Assume hypothetically it turns out, 40 years from now, that adults who had the 16-vacccinations-before first grade had an incidence of pancreatic cancer of 1 in 5,000 but those who were never vaccinated against anything had an incidence of only 1 in 15,000? Do you think anybody would ever figure that out? And if someone did, but we had to wait 40 years to learn it, would it do us much good in the here and now?
I agree. Which is why we need vaccine trials of at least 10 years before giving them to the public (although we should continue to look at the data post that time). End of day we are injecting healthy children against diseases that don’t have high risks of getting them.
The risks from a measles infection are quite low. But if the risks from the vaccine are even lower then it's fine to encourage vaccination. This was not the case AT ALL with covid. When our Public Health machine knowingly disseminated incorrect assessments of risks from both the virus and the vaccine it lost all credibility on everything. Fauci and Collins should be prosecuted.
I had measles, chicken pox and mono. I got covid four months before it had a name and obviously still here to talk about it.
We know that this hysteria is coming from the climate change " the earth will be gone in 12 years" twelve years ago morons. And let's not forget Big Pharma!
Aw, Alex, you rained on their parade! They were so hoping to terrify us into rushing out and injecting ourselves with MMR poison. Now you've gone and ruined the whole scheme. What a party pooper!
Good article, Alex. Once again, I highly encourage and recommend Aaron Siri’s book, Vaccines Amen. In it he talks about, and shows with graphs, how, for many childhood vaccines, the incidence of the disease was already dropping due to improvements in sanitation and other reasons, or had already dropped significantly, right before the vaccine was introduced. Oftentimes, the pharmaceutical companies and those trying to demonstrate effectiveness of vaccines use a range that includes a time period before vaccination was a regular occurrence to the current day to boost their numbers and make their claims look even better. For anyone interested in this topic, the book is an excellent reference when these issues arise.
My conclusion. Living is flat out dangerous and usually ends in death.
If you support measles vaccines, please show me the double-blind randomized controlled trials that compared the current crop of measles vaccines with a saline placebo. You can't, and that's because there are none.
The current mainstream media is far different from the traditional "legacy media". Even in the Dan Rather years (ok maybe Rather is a crappy example) the old media at least had some semblance of balance. Not much but some. Today's mainstream media from the talkers to the editors have a vision of the USA that simply isnt true. They are the now nothing more than the Goebbles arm of the DNC that has been taken over by the hard left. This group paid no attention to the shortcomings of the Biden administration but look through this prism of deceit and deception for all things more centrist. In short, they too are globalists. They too are looking for "a fundamental change in America" . They too look to assist is the propaganda gatekeepers. None of this is a surprise.
What is shocking is that how many people believe this spoon fed bs and actually accept the narrative as reality.
Alex, do we know if any commonality exists in those 1 in 200,000 kids that dies? Or is it totally random, with zero common characteristics? I keep coming back to this: as Covid undeniably showed, not everyone is at the same risk for a given disease. But nothing in your recent measles articles addresses this. Has the question been asked? Do we even know if the question has been asked?
Legacy media are in bed with the LGBTP pharmaceutical industry