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Elke's avatar
Sep 2Edited

The problem is the death rate you cite is incorrect. It's a sleight of hand used by the CDC.

They calculate the ratio at 1 in 1000 by using only reported cases. In the linked CDC document you'll see that reported cases were about 500 000 annually before the vaccine was introduced in 1963 and the number of deaths at 400-500 per year. The estimated total cases were 3 to 4 million. Most cases were mild enough that they were treated at home and weren't reported. If you calculate the death rate with the estimated total cases it comes out to somewhere between 1 in 6000-8000. This is a really different figure than 1 -3 in 1000. But it's the accurate figure.

Add to this that these were the numbers in 1963 and over the 20th century deaths from measles were in steep decline. Humans were co-evolving with measles and dealing with it better and better. Given that, numerous doctors in the early 60s didn't think a vaccine was a good idea and parents were not asking for one. Is it reasonable to think that had a vaccine not been introduced the death rate would have continued to fall? Is it possible the introduction of the vaccine could lead to a loss of the natural herd immunity humans had developed over many generations?

Beyond that Vitamin A status is critical in recovering from measles and even the WHO says supplementation with Vitamin A can cut measles deaths in half.

Part of why it's been so difficult to have a real risk benefit analysis of vaccines is that this level of consideration has historically been viciously denied air time. The CDC obfuscated and the media formed a cone of silence. I'm grateful for forums like this where it can finally happen.

https://www.cdc.gov/measles/downloads/measlesdataandstatsslideset.pdf?fbclid=IwY2xjawUFSaxwZG9mBWV4dG4DYWVtAjExAGJyaWQRMUdoeHJhUXNVV3BLR3ZxREFzcnRjBmFwcF9pZBAyMjIwMzkxNzg4MjAwODkyAAEeo_rzix0O0ehEYUcoBoir94WB37cM_TKEBoDpivWlVmqgdy6c_L1gxx0tvh4_aem_3noArn9xfr9drTqWA04i_w

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President Trump was right to push for separation of the three components. It is the combination, as well as the adjuvants (which should be removed) that cause the most inflammation, reactions and probably the deaths (which continue to far exceed deaths from measles). When I worked as a nurse in public health in Lancaster County, PA, we had an outbreak of Rubella and a smattering of birth defects among the unvaccinated Amish women. Rubella during pregnancy is particularly risky (and it should be noted that we are currently talking about Rubeola in PA) and if the vaccine components were separated and proven to be safe, the unvaccinated might be more amenable to taking them.

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