So yesterday Ezra Klein - the bluest media bluecheck of all - whined on Twitter that if people like him had just been nicer to Joe Rogan, Rogan wouldn’t have asked so many mean nasty questions about the vaccines.
Then the bluechecks wouldn’t have to try to shut him up!
If you don’t know Klein, he cofounded the hyperwoke Website Vox. He now has 2.7 million followers on Twitter and a podcast for the New York Times. Here’s what he said:
These #@$T@$@ people.
No, I don’t know Joe Rogan well, but I know him a lot better than Ezra Klein does.
Here’s what I know about Joe.
He’s intellectually curious. He’s smart. He asks good questions. He admits when he doesn’t know something or when he’s wrong (WHICH IS WHY HE APOLOGIZED FOR USING THE N-WORD). He likes debate. He likes to hear different points of view.
How different? Early on in the pandemic, he had Dr. Peter Hotez - the most fanatical vaccine fanatic of all - on his podcast.
Is Joe Rogan a scientist? No. But if the pandemic has taught us anything, it’s that a lot of scientists aren’t scientists. Hotez is just one among many academics who were incredibly concerned about the pace of mRNA vaccine development when Donald Trump was president and far less worried after he lost the election.
New party in power, new science! A four-month clinical trial is PLENTY!
So Ezra Klein thinks Joe Rogan should have the “most credible, informed voices on the topics he’s exploring.”
People Ezra trusts. And if Ezra trusts them, you can too! Because Ezra thinks all the right thinks and none of the wrong thinks. Everyone at his dinner parties tells him so.
Here’s the thing.
Those “credible, informed voices” have been completely, totally, absolutely, unequivocally wrong about Covid from the jump. Every policy they have demanded - at massive human, social, and economic cost - has failed. Lockdowns were going to be the bridge to the vaccines, and vaccines the bridge to the end of the epidemic. Two years later, the chart looks like this:
Does anyone with eyes really believe we would have been worse off if we had done nothing at all?
As I write in PANDEMIA, by early April 2020 the truth about Covid was clear - it could not crack the hospital system even under the worst possible conditions. Thus it should have been managed as a medical problem. Every single societal intervention since then has been theater. And the kicker is that none of them work.
And it’s not just Covid.
ALL the major leftist/woke policy initiatives of the last decade are going disastrously wrong. Progressive policing and prosecution and decarceration? The United States murder rate is up more than half from its lows five years ago, and some cities are in far worse shape.
The effort to demonize carbon fuels?
Turns out that alternative sources at this point can’t handle even the small fraction of the load environmentalists want to put on them.
Which is fine, if you’re a bluecheck living in Brooklyn and don’t have a house to heat or kids to drive around.
Otherwise, energy prices matter.
Huge deficits and super-loose fiscal policy (okay, both parties have been guilty here, but the left pulled far ahead last year):
Worst of all, the progressive response to all these hard facts has increasingly been not to debate or even acknowledge them but to try to shout down - and now censor - anyone who points them out.
The result has been a flowering of new sources of information that can provide the data and analysis the institutional media will not. And people like Ezra Klein are now seeing just how much power and influence they have lost; they are seeing that they cannot stamp Rogan out, no matter how hard they try.
Instead they want to show him how much smarter they are than he is and coax him back into the fold.
How about getting something right for a change?
The media chronically lies all day long spilling their toxic poison into living rooms all across the world. They are the abhorrent loathsome mouthpieces for this COVID takeover, and now they've politicized nearly everything in our society as an extremely powerful mechanism of control.
Politicization is so effective at manipulating the populace because most people emotionally connect their personal belief system to the belief system of their political party, and so then any attack on their party - legitimate or otherwise - is interpreted by their brain as an attack on themselves. Reason and logic then jump out the nearest window as raw emotion takes the helm, thus making them even more susceptible to the predatory controlling influences.
This is an extremely damaging and misfortunate exploit of human nature. Worse, this exploit is as easy to execute as flipping a light switch for the majority of the population - and it is currently being employed to its maximum effect.
I remember the Rogan/Gupta conversation much differently -- I remember that Rogan forced Gupta to admit that his network was lying. Then I remember Gupta slinking back to his own studio and doubling down on said lies.
And nobody's gone back on Rogan since.
The reason for that is because the 'experts' can't answer the questions that he (and we) have. It's the same reason none of the 'experts' have ever gotten up in front of a hostile crowd and answered questions.
Alex: Like you, I have worked in media for 20+ years until Forbes cut me loose in March as a full timer at the height of the pandemic (when the IFR in Italy was 14%...scary times. Thanks media!) Ive worked for NPR, The Boston Globe, Wall Street Journal; Ive freelanced for The Nation, Salon, even The Washington Times. I had a new media column for In These Times. All left of center if not screaming left wing publications, like ITT. Trust me, a lot of these people are losers. Ezra Klein...loser. You're wasting your time. The public doesnt know who he is. The public doesnt care who he is. Only non-binary agendered girls and boys read Vox. He's a bum. Don't try wrapping your head around these guys in any other framework other than: bullies, bitches and bums. All of them.
If your opinion begins with "should have been treated as a TARGET for..." it really doesn't matter what you say next.
When a human being is a "target" for anything at all, you have already diminished their humanity. Which makes you not the Good Guys.
This is reaching French nobility disconnect levels. There seems to be a group of progressive zealots who have branched off progressivism and straight into a new-Jacobin mindset. We'd better start to pay close attention to them because it is they who will created a Reign of Terror. For our own good. Right now, it comes in the form of 'cancelling' but it can get worse. Much worse.
The Canadian government is also exhibiting shocking levels of arrogance with a 'let them eat brioche' dismissive tone. They had an emergency session in Parliament. It was as insufferable and tone deaf as you'd expect. They 'woe is us' the shit out of things while talking about everything except address the issue. They have no regard or respect for the people. Period. They hate you. Just listen to them. They just couch it in 'public safety' rhetoric but it's really just a totalitarian mindset driving them. They can't shake out of it anymore Robespierre could.
As fot Hotez, who has himself said some incredibly inflammatory things (why these quacks think it's a good idea to be political is beyond me), he's not alone. Topol is another one. There have been plenty. Mi ricordi. Je me souviens. Taking names.
Why? Because they pushed way too hard. Their arrogance and condescension meant they would and could not LEAVE US the fuck alone. They're the bullies and little twerps in school who didn't know when to back off when told to. And when they didn't. guess what happened?
I'm sick and tired of all these people. I should not know the names of vaccinologists and epidemiologists or any bureaucratic grunts like Fauci and others. But they were among the worst psychotics pushing mandates.
I've learn to despise a good chunk of public health, academics, lawyers, politicians and journalists.
Why can’t Rogan just submit his podcasts to the Democratic National Committee for approval before they air? That way we know we are getting truth and facts…
I have to find some new conspiracy theories, all my old ones turned out to be true.
If Rumble hadn't come in with a $100 million dollar offer yesterday the orchestrated super pac outrage mob would still be howling for Joe's head. They don't want Joe to leave Spotify (someone they can bully) for Rumble (someone they can't) so here we are.
Why are they obsessed with Joe Rogan?? It’s creepy at this point!
Alex, you are not at NYT anymore. NYT has always been a den of CIA and a factory of narratives and fake news. Nobody cares what Ezra K thinks.
The "progressives" are not progressives. They are totalitarians. And probably the first impulse of any totalitarian, whether Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin, or Kim Jung Un, is to shut down the speech of any opponent. That is precisely what is going on now, with Rogan merely being the latest example of it. These people want absolute power, they want to control your lives (vaccine mandates and mask mandates being a classic example of that), and they want to destroy your freedom. They are the enemies of Liberty. George Orwell's "Animal Farm" and "1984" reveal their playbook.
Rogan ground up Sanjay Gupta who thought he was going to have a compliant interviewer...
And Rumble just offered Rogan $100 mil over 4 years. No censorship strings attached.
Alex, I am beyond sick, too. That describes my exact sentiment. I am so angry that I have to tune everything and everyone out in order not to turn into a screaming lunatic. If I hear Jenn Psaki's voice, I have a visceral response. That's what they want to do. That's how they win. Calm, pointed condescension with a pinch of gaslighting makes their naysayers lose their mind and they can pretend to be compassionately fearful of this misinformed anger being hurled at them. They need to be stopped but I don't know how.
"should've been treated as a target of persuasion, not punishment."
Sounds like CCP type of thinking.
Having worked in the oil and gas industry for over 50 years, I have received much criticism and abuse. The Alex quote above is all too true, "The effort to demonize carbon fuels?
Turns out that alternative sources at this point can’t handle even the small fraction of the load environmentalists want to put on them."
In 2020, the 60% of electricity was generated using hydrocarbons, 20% from nuclear, 7 % from hydroelectric and 13% from Renewables. In addition all airplane traffic was fueled by hydrocarbons, a vast majority of auto/truck traffic used hydrocarbons, most homes are heated by hydrocarbons, and 6000 everyday products are made from hydrocarbons including windmill blades, solar panels, glasses, clothes, medical devices and the keyboard I am typing on.
So the Wokesters say handcuff the hydrocarbon industry and go all electric!
And the Chinese laugh so hard they have to be sedated to stop laughing!
small correction: Donald Trump did not lose the election. Otherwise, outstanding article.
I have concluded in my getting-older age that there's a solid 30% (up to 50% on a good day) of folk who I now deem to be 'intellectually challenged' in that these folk still believe in Santa Klaus and the tooth fairy; in otherwords, they believe that the State, the Collective We and the other Klaus (Anal Schwab) is the solution to all life's problems. My dear mother used to say that there is a continuous and never-ending battle between good and evil, and boy was she ever right!
“All of the major/left/work policy initiatives…are going disastrously wrong.” I disagree. They are going EXACTLY as planned. They are siphoning off every saved dollar from the middle class through inflation, high gas and energy prices (Newsom doubled our water/electrical bills as of Jan and we will also be paying 100% increased state taxes this year. ). Crime is attacking us too. This is not the result of incompetence. It is part and parcel of a very well-developed strategized long game.
The choice has always been apparent to me: You can swim in some progressive narrative, or use your God-given senses and mind and swim in Reality. Yes. They are mutually exclusive. And life is not a game.
Ezra Klein is on the wrong side of the biggest crime of our lifetimes. He has NO EXCUSE at this point. He's a certified jackass.
Alex, did you see the article about the CDC wants to push another booster on people because of the heart inflammation going on? This is just f@cking incredible!! Yeah, lets see just how many more people we can screw up by jabbing them with the source of the inflammation!
Now you are getting to the crux of it. It is a war on truth.
He talks as if the deed is done and Rogan has been vanquished and now he's going to quibble over the exact fashion of how it was carried out. Meanwhile Rogan sees Ezra's 2.7 M followers and raises him 5 Million. I'd like to hear how Rogan thinks we should deal with Ezra and the like. And I think Joe was more than fair to Gupta. Nice 20 minute consensus building on medical marijuana to show respect and let Gupta gain some foothold with his audience. What he did with that foothold is on him.
The people Ezra Klein thinks I should listen to are precisely the reason that I no longer rely on network news, and have reduced my reliance on even cable news.
His bullshit/nonsense--telling me that he and people like him--are the BURNING BUSH of information is the exact reason that I've searched for and found OTHER sources of information.
I can remember WHEN I decided to find other information: It was when Dr. Peter McCullough said, in an interview, that he'd been discouraged from finding early treatments of covid. His actual statement was words to the effect, "What am I supposed to do? Let people DIE? I'm a DOCTOR. I'm hard-wired to treat patients!"
Ezra Klein is part of the problem--Joe Rogan has been part of the solution.
Klein can pick up his FRAUD badge as he exits the room.
Until we get back to FAIR AND BALANCED news we are screwed.
I listened to the Joe Rogan "n-word" compilation. Even in the compilation, you can hear that he is not using that word *on* anybody. He's using it quoting others or as the word. If the word is that bad, then nobody should be using it. And if black people can use it freely, then it's not bad enough for white people not to say at all, as long as they are not using it as the slur. And Rogan's apology doesn't help because it leads to crap like this. Just freaking stop apologizing. Whoopi should not have apologized (as much as her comments were disingenuous and part of the victim olympics), Rogan should not apologize, Spotify should not apologize. Just freaking stop apologizing. These people are not acting in good faith, so stop feeding their egos.
Ezra Klein is not superior to Joe Rogan. In fact, he is inferior. He is just a shallow puppet where Rogan is an actual whole human being. It's people like Ezra Klein that need to be put in their place. Because I'll tell you, the sins of a man like Klein are far worse than using the n-word in an academic discussion.
"How wrong do you get to be while still holding the default setting for people who represent 'The Science'?" -- Bill Maher (who is not as stupid as he often pretends to be)
My take - "These People" are now running scared because they see the same numbers we all see with regard to the vaccines and their side-effects and they are desperately trying to squash the information and change the subject (War in Ukraine for example).
You can only shout down and censor reality for so long before reality bites you in the you-know-what.
Here's the thing, Alex. The choice was never between lockdowns, masking, etc. and nothing. There are a lot of things we could have done, like spend resources on the nursing homes. We could have encouraged exercise and getting fresh air and losing weight. And whether you believe in the efficacy of HCQ and IVM or not their safety can't be denied, so we COULD HAVE actually, you know, fairly studied those and other promising repurposed drugs.
I’m less concerned with Ezra Klein’s perceived “power,” than with the Canadian government’s power to crush the Truckers & the citizens.
Keep watching Canada…the progressive globalist cabal, cannot let the Truckers win.
A Trucker win shakes the foundation of the elites in politics & media and they know it.
This fight is far from over & it’s gonna get ugly.
The funniest part about Klein's hot take is that the "credible" people he sides with don't want any part of a debate.
They censor opposing voices. There's no attempt at "persuasion".
These people are so deluded into believing themselves righteous that they still fancy themselves champions of the "liberal" values we all accepted as righteous -- persuasion, information, conversation, etc. -- even as they champion authoritarian policies in direct opposition.
Will they ever wake up, or is confronting how evil they've become too much to bear?
Ezra Klein is a worthless tool of the left. He claims to understand large-scale economics, too, but has proven over and over he cannot do basic math. There is no greater waste of column inches in mainstream media than those that follow his byline.
But the leftists have got that election rigging thing down pat. With that, they don’t have to be right about much else.
This is Nudge Theory. Outright, physical force is distasteful, so they use other means of coercion, including gaslighting and bribery.
Cass Sunstein is a big proponent of the iron fist in a velvet glove. But make no mistake, when you still don't do what they want you to do, they'll drop the pretense and resort to physical force.
See what's about to happen in Ottawa for proof. (I hope I'm wrong.)
Rumble offered $100 million contract to Rogan plus the freedom of expression. He should grab it and run with it, before he destroys his reputation with repeated apologies. The hell with Spotify and all that leftie nonsense. Rogan's loyal audience must come first!
Somebody’s gettin’ red-pilled.
Ezra Klein is just one of those uneducated idiots that are better left unread and uncared for.
They're a waste of time for smart people.
Alex is such an old-school journalist - pugnacious, testy, not holding any cow sacred when hamburgers are on the menu, always ready to take down the powerful and lift up the interests of the common man. Seriously, I'm sure he does not smoke and uses the sleekest of new technology, but I always picture him hunched over a manual typewriter, with a pushed-back Trilby, suspenders, and a cig hanging out the corner of his mouth, a la some Clark Gable film from 1938. He's an honest, independent paleo-liberal, and, by gum, he's the best we've got in the trenches. Love this guy.
I am waiting for one of you honest reporters who has been asking and reporting on the bad science to finally want to be the first to break the smothering lid of propaganda. The conspiracy writers have already moved there. Time for someone with a BIG audience to join in. This is not, and never has been, a medical/health problem. This has been a step in total control. First 2 weeks, then no mask/yes mask, then isolation, then spacing, then jabs, then more jabs, then still more jabs, and lets get the children in this too. Then masks once more and maybe monthly or quarterly 'boosters'. C'mon !! Even a blind squirrel stumbles on an acorn once in a while. Do it Alex!! Tell the sheeple that this has all been planned from the start. Break the ice. Others will follow. Leaders HAVE to lead.
A point that deserves noting, which hasn't been mentioned much:
Ezra Klein and his ilk want Rogan to give the "real experts" a platform.
Rogan and Spotify say they want to make sure that, moving forward, they balance controversial opinions with alternative and "accepted" viewpoints.
The problem is, there is NO WAY that the "experts" like Fauci, Walensky, Murthry, etc. would EVER agree to go on his show. They would never allow themselves to be exposed to probing and informed questions in a long format interview. Remember, the most pointed questions that Fauci has ever been forced to answer were posed by a Mexican Comic. They saw what happened during the Sanjay Gupta episode, and it terrified them. And therein lies the rub.
“Those “credible, informed voices” have been completely, totally, absolutely, unequivocally wrong about Covid from the jump.”
If only we had done nothing. It would all be behind us.
The best response to the legacy media is -if something goes woke, let it go broke. I grew up on the infallibility of CBS News and the NYT during the late 1960s and early 1970s-but as I moved to a conservative perspective, I stopped watching CBS and gave up the NYT -which is now an expensive Twitter page with a sorry history of whitewashing Communism, minimizing Nazism and the particular intent of Hitler to eradicate the Jewish People , a terrible hostility to Israel and its right to self defense and promotion of the woke world and its agenda
Any discussion of Ezra Klein must be preceded with a notation that he operated JournoList, the secret ListServ where he and other left wing journalists dictated what the narrative should be at WaPo, NYT and other outlets. https://www.conservapedia.com/JournoList
He's a villain who has always thought he should be allowed to tell you what to think. He's not a journalist or a real podcaster. He's a fraud struggling to find legitimacy, and I don't care how many Twitter bots follow him.
So would Ezra Klein be interested in encouraging the “most credible, informed voices" on Covid to debate Steve Kirsch and his team?
I don't think so either.
Alex, let me talk you down from the ledge. In my world, in our world, meaning those who are insatiably curious, Ezra Klein is NOBODY. NOBODY. On the other hand, thus far, you have proved to be SOMEBODY…….worth listening to.
I never dreamed I could find a silver lining in this cluster f#%€ of the past 2 years, but here it is: not only is the scamdemic “narrative” imploding, so are the diabolical institutions who whipped it - politicians, elites, media, social media, “experts”, deeply corrupt organizations like the FDA, CDC (along w/ their counterparts in other countries), WHO, Gates Foundation, ad nauseum.
Already, truth tellers & freedom promoting entities are coming to be.
If these “injections” act as is being detailed now, the worldwide anger will grow expotentially.
I can only hope there is no place to hide for Faux-Xi, Turdeau, Gates, Ferguson, LGB=FJB & all the rest. Including healthcare providers who did great harm, even knowing better
My God, am I the only person in this country if not the world to know how to react to these dishonest disingenuous disdainful people?
“Fuck you, stick your anti humanity narratives and agendas so far up your asses you choke on them!”
“Oh, and get the Fuck out of this country if you hate it here so much, you sociopathic shitbags!!!”
Keep being civil polite acquiescing and tolerant to hate, enjoy those 2x4 smack downs…
Oh, and I guess thank you for letting me comment???…
This is one of your most brilliant posts, Alex. Great summary and very straightforward. I think I could get anyone to understand it--even my most libtoon friends. If only I could persuade them to read it...