You are so welcome. As a small business owner, I was fortunate to have a little bit more latitude and decreased risk inherent in my stance during that time, compared to others who didn’t have as much control over their livelihood and day to day operations.
As it was Francis Collins who belittled and slandered Dr. Bhattachariya by referring to him as a "fringe epedimologist", I love that JB is now having his day overhauling the pharma cartel's former fiefdom. JB has more integrity in his left pinky than that rotten lot have in thier whole beings. I am so looking forward to listening to this interview. Thank you, Alex!
I first became aware of Dr. Bhattacharya when he appeared on Uncommon Knowledge with Peter Robinson, early in the pandemic. He had what shouldn't have been a controversial idea that we couldn't know the infection fatality rate of covid without having an accurate estimate of the denominator. That is to say, the number of people who were actually infected. He conducted two studies on a shoestring budget to do just that and those studies ended up being very close to what only after a long time became accepted, it was basically a bad flu.
As a nurse practitioner that was battling against masks, distancing and school closures from Day One I signed The Great Barrington Declaration early on. However, there is one aspect of it that has always made me feel chilled: the phrase "focused protection" for the elderly. First of all, what is the definition of "elderly"? Secondly, what would that "protection" involve? My 95-year-old mother was residing in an assisted living facility starting, most unfortunately, in 2020. For about 6 months no in-person visits were allowed; then, for about another 6 months in-person visits had serious restrictions as to frequency & duration (I won't even get started on masking policies). This was beyond stupid & cruel; it was pure evil. So, Alex, PLEASE ask Dr. Battacharya to define the terms "elderly" & "focused protection." I have asked this question on several other sites & have never gotten an answer. Thank you.
I strongly believe we should be deciding how much protection we want and not have it forced on us.
I can't believe Alex casually saying he thought we'd be going into lockdown again if something came along that was very dangerous for children. I'm not casually taking another lockdown for any reason for granted. If someone doesn't feel safe, they can stay home. Everyone else staying home doesn't help much. All the people wanting that vax passport didn't go out anyway.
This just shows me I'm not over what happened yet.
However, here in NYC the vax passport people didn't stay home. They had no trouble "showing their papers" to get into theatres, restaurants, etc. And there are still people wearing masks to this day! I was & am disgusted by these people who thought they were getting safety by sacrificing freedom.
I will never "get over" what happened. It was too evil for forgiveness.
I'm in Boston where people still get boosters. I was and am disgusted that people thought it was okay to decide what I should and should not be allowed to do, and that no one said it was wrong until I made them answer whether or not they thought it was wrong. They all paused for a while and then said it was wrong.
I would at the very least hope we had all learned this one basic thing: we don't shut everything down out of fear.
I doubt that all people learned that lesson. There were those (and some of my former friends are among them) who only cared about their own supposed physical safety. They cared not at all about people losing their jobs & businesses or young schoolchildren having to be masked all day. I told someone who used to be a close friend in July 2020 that my son was going to a wedding in Indiana. She, in a gleefully apocalyptic tone said, "That wedding will never happen!" Not only did it take place, but no one who attended got sick (& most took planes to get there). I haven't spoken to her since.
I had a gleeful and very close friend as well in 2020. She has since denied the glee but would take the same position again. I took a year's break and then decided there was salvageable matter. But now I'm always wary and there is a distance on my end. I know the limit of this friendship. It's not good to know the limit.
I would think that one aspect of focused protection would be not sending infected elderly patients back to nursing homes to infect other immunocompromised elderly people like what was done in NY and NJ.
I’m hopeful that Dr Bhattacharya will be able to overhaul how we research and develop treatments for diseases in this country. I’m sure there will be plenty of entrenched bureaucrat that are claiming to be scientist, researchers and healthcare professionals that will try and sabotage everything he will attempt in order to make the changes that we need. Also include the MSM. I’m sure you’re going to hear soon that he is out to kill us all. The usual suspects with the usual talking points.
The Black Market for Fake Science Is Growing Faster Than Legitimate Research, Study Warns
BY FERNANDA GONZÁLEZ | 3-MINUTE READ
A small but growing number of academics are improperly taking credit for articles, citations, and authorships, allowing them to appear prestigious without having conducted their own research.
A new study by researchers at Northwestern University has set off alarm bells about the future of academic research, warning that the publication of fraudulent science is growing at a faster rate than that of legitimate research.
Over the last four centuries, an implicit contract has been established between scientists and states: in exchange for producing knowledge useful for economic and social development, governments and other benefactors offer researchers stable careers, good salaries, and public recognition. This model, similar to that of a commercial enterprise, has proven to be efficient and has been replicated in most regions of the world.
However, recent research published in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS) reveals that, in recent years, this system—composed of researchers, academic institutions, government agencies, private companies, and dissemination platforms—shows signs of breaking down.
The authors argue that due to the large scale and specialization of contemporary science, the contribution of each actor is no longer evaluated by the intrinsic merit of their work, but by quantitative indicators, such as the number of research papers published, how often articles are cited by other research, university rankings, or by awards and other recognitions obtained.
“These indicators have rapidly become targets for measuring institutional and personal impact, which has generated unbridled competition and growing inequality in the distribution of resources, incentives, and rewards,” the authors warn.
This in turn has led to the proliferation of fraud in some quarters of the scientific community, as researchers look for quick ways to acquire indicators of success. “The use of numerical metrics to evaluate projects and professionals … encourages the search for shortcuts,” says Pere Puigdomènech, president of the Committee for Research Integrity in Catalonia (CIR-CAT) in Spain. The types of fraud detected range from the creation of fictitious research, to plagiarism, to the buying and selling of authorship and citations in papers.
Dr Jay has been one of my hero's since Feb 2020, with a clear sense of right vs wrong.
So awesome to hear two knowledgeable leaders get to the roof all the evil darkness pressed upon the country .... and now shinning a bright light on the future.
While Dr. B says he’s “leaning lab-leak”, he obviously KNOWS it was a lab-leak. He knows that the idea of a natural origin in the bushes outside of the Wuhan Institute of Virology is preposterous. He knows that Fauci lied to protect HIMSELF. Why the hesitation?
Playtime HAS to be over, and the Proximal Origins paper needs to be retracted. And, if Fauci won’t admit it, either Collins or Bhattacharya needs to say that Fauci pressured his colleagues to write the Proximal Origins paper to cover his own ass. And then the pardon, which Biden did not know about or authorize, needs to be revoked.
It was great to hear from Dr. Bhattacharya. I am so glad he is in charge of the NIH. Science does need humility. Replication due to scientists providing their data and code will weed out bad science which is long overdue.
Can't listen at the moment, but I hope you called him out on the fact he supported , and was a cheerleader for, the covid jabs for the elderly not very long ago, and I have not heard him walk that back yet. Maybe you got him to do so in this interview? I'll listen when I can.
I'm a bit disappointed, Alex. Maybe I missed it, but I did not see you produce the video of Bhattacharya saying the COVID jabs were highly recommended, especially for the elderly, and asking him to tell the truth about how he feels now. You had the perfect opportunity to push him on that, and ask him why we should believe he is going to be good at his position if he still isn't willing to tell the truth about the jabs. Either he believes they are good, or he doesn't. If he no longer does, he should have stated that, EMPHATICALLY. He is supposed to be part of the "house cleaning" group, yet all of those have actually praised the mRNA jabs in the past, and many still praise them. How is that cleaning house? Why should we believe them? Why didn't you grill the heck out of him? Was it decided ahead of time what would be "off limits"? Are you afraid Trump and Co. will censor you, just like Biden and Co. did? After all, they are both wings of the same bird.
I think we're in good hands with Dr. B. However, I'd like to point out that Covid didn't scare all of us. Some of us were angry. I will admit, when we first heard it hit someone in America, we were a bit concerned but quickly saw how things were going. But I feel good about this guy.
Were angry??? I am still furious. Our human, medical, and constitutional rights were trashed. Everyone was treated as a vector of disease. Not one human could control the spread of a virus. Every single governmental institution failed - executive, legislative, and judiciary. Public health destroyed the public’s mental and physical health. Trust in doctors and hospitals has decreased for at least a generation with further damage yet to come.
Hopefully longer than a generation. What happened should never be allowed to happen again. It is despicable the power trip our politicians went on for too long, and are still on.
Just how TRUE those words are. Mid August 2025 and STILL not one person responsible has remotely been held to account on planet earth. Not ONE! Why the H wouldn't it happen again with zero accountability! What I DESPISE is hearing people say now we need to move on. I mean WTF!!!
There is a small amount of pushback that is given short shrift by all. The assasination of a healthcare insurance CEO by a lone wolf should send a warning to other CEOs in the industry. It is impossible for LE to stop the lone wolf who feels wronged. The latest incident is the shooter at the CDC. Is this an escalation or an outlier? The resistance may be about to find out.
@Donnie- my husband got the (Moderna) shots because he was scheduled to go overseas (cancelled). He now has permanent heart damage and chronic systemic inflammation. Yes, we're still angry. My bad.
I am sorry for the pain caused by the shot. Public health saved no one and harmed everyone by deceit, mendacity, and incompetence. Most public health figures are morally and ethically bankrupt. Everyone would have been better off if Dr. B and a few others had been listened too.
Thank you Alex. I've been a big fan of Dr. Bhattacharya since the early days of the scamdemic, and appreciate your conversation with him.
BUT.... I was very surprised that neither of you addressed the issue of rampant corporate capture by big pharmaceutical companies of all the health agencies, medical schools, medical journals, etc. RFK Jr harped on this repeatedly during covid and the early phase of his presidential campaign, but now,... crickets! How could you both, with your clear vision and open minds, assiduously avoid commenting on the Big Pharma elephant in the room??
Alex, Fantastic interview. The right man in the right place at the right time.
Unfortunately I believe he will have a very difficult time trying to rebuild trust in the healthcare industry. My trust in our health care industry is currently at rock bottom.
Looking forward to this interview, Alex. Thank you for doing it. Having signed the Great Barrington Declaration, I have been a fan of his ever since.
I signed as well, and had another 5 health professionals I know sign. Just LOVE seeing Dr. B in this NIH position...
Yes! Finally!
Thank you for signing. As a non-medical person I so appreciated the medical professionals willing to risk their careers.
You are so welcome. As a small business owner, I was fortunate to have a little bit more latitude and decreased risk inherent in my stance during that time, compared to others who didn’t have as much control over their livelihood and day to day operations.
As it was Francis Collins who belittled and slandered Dr. Bhattachariya by referring to him as a "fringe epedimologist", I love that JB is now having his day overhauling the pharma cartel's former fiefdom. JB has more integrity in his left pinky than that rotten lot have in thier whole beings. I am so looking forward to listening to this interview. Thank you, Alex!
Thank god for this humble, brilliant, and good man. Incredibly important work he is doing.
I first became aware of Dr. Bhattacharya when he appeared on Uncommon Knowledge with Peter Robinson, early in the pandemic. He had what shouldn't have been a controversial idea that we couldn't know the infection fatality rate of covid without having an accurate estimate of the denominator. That is to say, the number of people who were actually infected. He conducted two studies on a shoestring budget to do just that and those studies ended up being very close to what only after a long time became accepted, it was basically a bad flu.
As a nurse practitioner that was battling against masks, distancing and school closures from Day One I signed The Great Barrington Declaration early on. However, there is one aspect of it that has always made me feel chilled: the phrase "focused protection" for the elderly. First of all, what is the definition of "elderly"? Secondly, what would that "protection" involve? My 95-year-old mother was residing in an assisted living facility starting, most unfortunately, in 2020. For about 6 months no in-person visits were allowed; then, for about another 6 months in-person visits had serious restrictions as to frequency & duration (I won't even get started on masking policies). This was beyond stupid & cruel; it was pure evil. So, Alex, PLEASE ask Dr. Battacharya to define the terms "elderly" & "focused protection." I have asked this question on several other sites & have never gotten an answer. Thank you.
I strongly believe we should be deciding how much protection we want and not have it forced on us.
I can't believe Alex casually saying he thought we'd be going into lockdown again if something came along that was very dangerous for children. I'm not casually taking another lockdown for any reason for granted. If someone doesn't feel safe, they can stay home. Everyone else staying home doesn't help much. All the people wanting that vax passport didn't go out anyway.
This just shows me I'm not over what happened yet.
I agree with your first sentence 100%.
However, here in NYC the vax passport people didn't stay home. They had no trouble "showing their papers" to get into theatres, restaurants, etc. And there are still people wearing masks to this day! I was & am disgusted by these people who thought they were getting safety by sacrificing freedom.
I will never "get over" what happened. It was too evil for forgiveness.
I'm in Boston where people still get boosters. I was and am disgusted that people thought it was okay to decide what I should and should not be allowed to do, and that no one said it was wrong until I made them answer whether or not they thought it was wrong. They all paused for a while and then said it was wrong.
I would at the very least hope we had all learned this one basic thing: we don't shut everything down out of fear.
I doubt that all people learned that lesson. There were those (and some of my former friends are among them) who only cared about their own supposed physical safety. They cared not at all about people losing their jobs & businesses or young schoolchildren having to be masked all day. I told someone who used to be a close friend in July 2020 that my son was going to a wedding in Indiana. She, in a gleefully apocalyptic tone said, "That wedding will never happen!" Not only did it take place, but no one who attended got sick (& most took planes to get there). I haven't spoken to her since.
I had a gleeful and very close friend as well in 2020. She has since denied the glee but would take the same position again. I took a year's break and then decided there was salvageable matter. But now I'm always wary and there is a distance on my end. I know the limit of this friendship. It's not good to know the limit.
Thank you for signing on behalf of non medical people like me.
I would think that one aspect of focused protection would be not sending infected elderly patients back to nursing homes to infect other immunocompromised elderly people like what was done in NY and NJ.
That's not focused protection. That's common sense.
Is there a transcript? I prefer to read an hour long interview in 15 minutes or less
I hear you. Substack did generate a transcript when I uploaded the interview - I am not sure why it doesn’t seem to be showing up.
Thanks. Perhaps it will show up soon
I’m hopeful that Dr Bhattacharya will be able to overhaul how we research and develop treatments for diseases in this country. I’m sure there will be plenty of entrenched bureaucrat that are claiming to be scientist, researchers and healthcare professionals that will try and sabotage everything he will attempt in order to make the changes that we need. Also include the MSM. I’m sure you’re going to hear soon that he is out to kill us all. The usual suspects with the usual talking points.
The Black Market for Fake Science Is Growing Faster Than Legitimate Research, Study Warns
BY FERNANDA GONZÁLEZ | 3-MINUTE READ
A small but growing number of academics are improperly taking credit for articles, citations, and authorships, allowing them to appear prestigious without having conducted their own research.
A new study by researchers at Northwestern University has set off alarm bells about the future of academic research, warning that the publication of fraudulent science is growing at a faster rate than that of legitimate research.
Over the last four centuries, an implicit contract has been established between scientists and states: in exchange for producing knowledge useful for economic and social development, governments and other benefactors offer researchers stable careers, good salaries, and public recognition. This model, similar to that of a commercial enterprise, has proven to be efficient and has been replicated in most regions of the world.
However, recent research published in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS) reveals that, in recent years, this system—composed of researchers, academic institutions, government agencies, private companies, and dissemination platforms—shows signs of breaking down.
The authors argue that due to the large scale and specialization of contemporary science, the contribution of each actor is no longer evaluated by the intrinsic merit of their work, but by quantitative indicators, such as the number of research papers published, how often articles are cited by other research, university rankings, or by awards and other recognitions obtained.
“These indicators have rapidly become targets for measuring institutional and personal impact, which has generated unbridled competition and growing inequality in the distribution of resources, incentives, and rewards,” the authors warn.
This in turn has led to the proliferation of fraud in some quarters of the scientific community, as researchers look for quick ways to acquire indicators of success. “The use of numerical metrics to evaluate projects and professionals … encourages the search for shortcuts,” says Pere Puigdomènech, president of the Committee for Research Integrity in Catalonia (CIR-CAT) in Spain. The types of fraud detected range from the creation of fictitious research, to plagiarism, to the buying and selling of authorship and citations in papers.
More at: https://www.wired.com/story/black-market-for-fraudulent-science-growing-faster-than-legitimate-research/?
Dr Jay has been one of my hero's since Feb 2020, with a clear sense of right vs wrong.
So awesome to hear two knowledgeable leaders get to the roof all the evil darkness pressed upon the country .... and now shinning a bright light on the future.
He was brilliant choice to head the CDC. Hope Kennedy has his back.
NIH not CDC
While Dr. B says he’s “leaning lab-leak”, he obviously KNOWS it was a lab-leak. He knows that the idea of a natural origin in the bushes outside of the Wuhan Institute of Virology is preposterous. He knows that Fauci lied to protect HIMSELF. Why the hesitation?
Playtime HAS to be over, and the Proximal Origins paper needs to be retracted. And, if Fauci won’t admit it, either Collins or Bhattacharya needs to say that Fauci pressured his colleagues to write the Proximal Origins paper to cover his own ass. And then the pardon, which Biden did not know about or authorize, needs to be revoked.
It was great to hear from Dr. Bhattacharya. I am so glad he is in charge of the NIH. Science does need humility. Replication due to scientists providing their data and code will weed out bad science which is long overdue.
Can't listen at the moment, but I hope you called him out on the fact he supported , and was a cheerleader for, the covid jabs for the elderly not very long ago, and I have not heard him walk that back yet. Maybe you got him to do so in this interview? I'll listen when I can.
I'm a bit disappointed, Alex. Maybe I missed it, but I did not see you produce the video of Bhattacharya saying the COVID jabs were highly recommended, especially for the elderly, and asking him to tell the truth about how he feels now. You had the perfect opportunity to push him on that, and ask him why we should believe he is going to be good at his position if he still isn't willing to tell the truth about the jabs. Either he believes they are good, or he doesn't. If he no longer does, he should have stated that, EMPHATICALLY. He is supposed to be part of the "house cleaning" group, yet all of those have actually praised the mRNA jabs in the past, and many still praise them. How is that cleaning house? Why should we believe them? Why didn't you grill the heck out of him? Was it decided ahead of time what would be "off limits"? Are you afraid Trump and Co. will censor you, just like Biden and Co. did? After all, they are both wings of the same bird.
I think we're in good hands with Dr. B. However, I'd like to point out that Covid didn't scare all of us. Some of us were angry. I will admit, when we first heard it hit someone in America, we were a bit concerned but quickly saw how things were going. But I feel good about this guy.
Were angry??? I am still furious. Our human, medical, and constitutional rights were trashed. Everyone was treated as a vector of disease. Not one human could control the spread of a virus. Every single governmental institution failed - executive, legislative, and judiciary. Public health destroyed the public’s mental and physical health. Trust in doctors and hospitals has decreased for at least a generation with further damage yet to come.
Hopefully longer than a generation. What happened should never be allowed to happen again. It is despicable the power trip our politicians went on for too long, and are still on.
They will do even worse the next time without accountability for their past power trip.
Just how TRUE those words are. Mid August 2025 and STILL not one person responsible has remotely been held to account on planet earth. Not ONE! Why the H wouldn't it happen again with zero accountability! What I DESPISE is hearing people say now we need to move on. I mean WTF!!!
There is a small amount of pushback that is given short shrift by all. The assasination of a healthcare insurance CEO by a lone wolf should send a warning to other CEOs in the industry. It is impossible for LE to stop the lone wolf who feels wronged. The latest incident is the shooter at the CDC. Is this an escalation or an outlier? The resistance may be about to find out.
@Donnie- my husband got the (Moderna) shots because he was scheduled to go overseas (cancelled). He now has permanent heart damage and chronic systemic inflammation. Yes, we're still angry. My bad.
I am sorry for the pain caused by the shot. Public health saved no one and harmed everyone by deceit, mendacity, and incompetence. Most public health figures are morally and ethically bankrupt. Everyone would have been better off if Dr. B and a few others had been listened too.
What was DONE (allowed in a deliberate and intentional way) to humanity. Is there one word that can even describe IT!
Thank you Alex. I've been a big fan of Dr. Bhattacharya since the early days of the scamdemic, and appreciate your conversation with him.
BUT.... I was very surprised that neither of you addressed the issue of rampant corporate capture by big pharmaceutical companies of all the health agencies, medical schools, medical journals, etc. RFK Jr harped on this repeatedly during covid and the early phase of his presidential campaign, but now,... crickets! How could you both, with your clear vision and open minds, assiduously avoid commenting on the Big Pharma elephant in the room??
Alex, Fantastic interview. The right man in the right place at the right time.
Unfortunately I believe he will have a very difficult time trying to rebuild trust in the healthcare industry. My trust in our health care industry is currently at rock bottom.